Re: [LUAU] Windows Vista will be an improvement in security and stability...
The consumer market is trained to demand something brand new and flashy. See also the 'disappointment' to Apple's recent announcement. The Windows market demands new features and therefore new code and therefore the accompanying new security holes/risks. Linux on the other hand follows a largely iterative process to software development. The running joke with my kids every weekly update from Debian (mostly Etch) involves my announcing that I have made massive changes to their system. They respond, And we won't notice any difference. True, they won't. That's a good thing. My daughter's machine is the oldest in the house, and has gone through the most changes. If she went from the Linux she had when it was first installed (almost 4 years ago) directly to today's, she would notice right away. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] OR ... why every city council needs at least one geek
Clifton Royston wrote: On Sun, Mar 26, 2006 at 11:15:31PM -1000, Julian Yap wrote: http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127 Slashdotted and offline at the moment. It's back up now. CentOS is right; you can't make this stuff up. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] Microsoft's Open Source web site
Matt Darnell wrote: It looks legit. Here is an example post: Dear Microsoft: Are you saying that the poster thinks Microsoft has a credibility problem? ;) -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] Blighted Sun
R. Scott Belford wrote: https://sgddemo.sun.com/ Welcome to the Sun Secure Global Desktop demonstration server ... well, it was the demonstration server until it got mentioned on Slashdot - now it's only demonstrating how we didn't size it with this sort of load in mind. Yes, Slashdot had a field day with this story. If and when they go live with the real thing, they had better have a great deal more redundancy built in to the system. Sun just gave an inadvertent demonstration of the advantages of running software on your own computer. It's too bad, though. Had they anticipated Slashdot and Digg getting ahold of the story, they could have produced a very different PR outcome. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] Implicit Association Test - MSFT versus Open Source
Jim Thompson wrote: https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/ I took the test for laughs and showed up as having a strong automatic preference for Open Source compared to Microsoft. They just told me that I had no session. ;) -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] hawaiiantel internet and e-mail
David Imai wrote: I recently signed up for DSL service and found that the setup CD only works under Windows. The solution is to visit mac.hawaiiantel.net and sign up for an account there. It works with any operating system. This should also work for anyone who had a verizon account and can't access their webspace. Under Verizon, I always threw out the setup CD and connected via a router. Verizon's software contained borderline spyware, and robbed about 10% of your bandwidth. I suspect something similar is happening with its successor. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] hawaiian tel internet and e-mail
David Imai wrote: I forgot to mention that the connection works fine out of the box. The setup is only to get an e-mail account and space on the web server. I suspect a call to tech support would do the same thing. Given the record of such software in the past, I would hesitate to use anything like that to set up an account. Good ol' Lavanet, they send you a sheet of paper with the info printed on it. Paper, now there's a new and exciting concept. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] hawaiian tel internet and e-mail
Wayne Maeda wrote: On Friday 12 May 2006 09:16 pm, David Imai wrote: I forgot to mention that the connection works fine out of the box. The setup is only to get an e-mail account and space on the web server. Can't use their web space to store your ebay pictures though. Something's wrong that's preventing the pictures from being seen from a non-hawaiiantel website. This never used to happen when verizon was running it. Sounds like they are demanding a referer (sic). If everyone viewing your pictures would use Firefox with the RefControl extension, and set it to spoof the referer to hawaiiantel.com, you would have no problems ;). You might want to complain about that. If enough do, they might relax that restriction. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] hawaiian tel internet and e-mail
On Saturday 13 May 2006 08:02 am, Peter Besenbruch wrote: Sounds like they are demanding a referer (sic). If everyone viewing your pictures would use Firefox with the RefControl extension, and set it to spoof the referer to hawaiiantel.com, you would have no problems ;). You might want to complain about that. If enough do, they might relax that restriction. Wayne Maeda wrote: I complained to them about it (not specifically about the referer) twice but they claimed that there was nothing wrong with their system and everything was working fine. Well, technically, that's true; there is nothing wrong with their system. They deliberately chose to make it that way. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] Slow internet response with different nameservers
David Imai wrote: On Ubuntu and Mepis systems I was getting slow internet response using Roadrunner. The name resolution seemed to take nearly a minute. I tried changing the default nameservers and that made a difference. It was faster with the lava.net, hawaiiantel.net and flex.com nameservers, and slower with rr.com and aol.com nameservers. Why is that? Verizon had that problem, too, and it affected Windows machines. One person mentioned location; I suspect that, like Verizon, the name servers are not up to the traffic. You pay a lot for Lavanet, but it is always fast. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] Ubuntu... Legalities
You've just proved the validity of his analogy. Now compute the cost of installing your own codec versus buying a package with the codec installed. Be sure to include the value of your time. You definitely have to drive a lot further when you do it yourself. apt-get install w32codecs libdvdcss2 The analogy breaks down with Linux, because you get better efficiency with increased knowledge. As someone said, time is money, but in my case, if I know how to add the Marillat repository and issue the command, the time is minimal. With each computer I work with, the cost of increased time decreases. Ubuntu tries to achieve this efficiency with the Easy-Ubuntu script. The only way the car analogy works would be to claim that with knowledge, the distance to cheaper gas drops with each tank full. Now consider the Windows side of the issue. Many new computers (but not all) come with some form of DVD playing software, along with the ability to play Windows media files. They still need to get Quicktime, and they need to learn to avoid Web sites that insist you download and install a special codec to play a requested file (spyware in disguise). Then there is the Windows user that buys a DVD drive. He, or she, still needs to install the software, but with my knowledge I can do it faster in Linux. Then there is the case of the person who took his laptop in for repair, got his drive re-imaged, and lost the ability to play DVDs. After going round and round with CompUSA for months, he began looking for free players. He didn't want to spend $50 for a full version of commercial software. Fortunately, I warned him about spyware bundling. In the end, since money was tight, he elected to stop playing DVDs on his laptop. Now before you ask where his restore disks were, he had them. All he had to do was copy his data to a CD-R, restore the system, re-install his other software (he managed to keep MOST of the relevant CDs), and restore his data. Unfortunately, he lost the ability to burn CDs when CompUSA did the re-imaging. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] MS to EOL Win98 and WinMe - July 11
First, Windows ME by some definitions can't be rooted, since it only has one user. Think of it as a feature, not a bug. ;) Second, any worms that might do any sort of automatic rooting almost certainly do NOT apply to the dos-based versions of windows. From sarc.com about blaster worm: I've noticed this a lot. It's as if Windows XP with the release of SP2 had finally caught up with the high security of Windows 98. The only people who have it right are OSX and a few linux distributions. OSX has no open ports by default. Almost all Linux distributions have ssh enabled by default, which has had a few exploits. I strongly believe that ALL open ports should be an opt-in policy and not an opt-out/firewall policy. I use Kanotix, which installs ssh-server, but doesn't run it by default. Indeed, it doesn't run networking by default, which makes it one of the most secure OSes I know of. ;) Still, I tend to go through and uninstall a lot of stuff I, or the user won't need. As for Windows 98, I still use it, as does my daughter. I use it for reference works that aren't available on Linux. My daughter uses it for running software that her school mandates that won't run on Linux, and which has trouble running on Wine. It runs under Qemu. It's slow, but not too bad. I run it with the -net none option. It's quite secure that way. btw. Windows 98 almost never crashes when running under Linux. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] should be have a Hawaii team?
Jim Thompson wrote: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam Or is the landscape already salted with Fedora-fans? No, I'm not a Fedora fan. I tend to use Debian. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet
Tim Newsham wrote: Ok, this is just silly. If you ban windows machines from the internet you'd just get a bunch of linux and osx botnets... Botnets run on windows because they are the majority population, not because they are inherently easier to write botnets for. Linux has some advantages when it comes to serving in a botnet, such as increased stability and more reliable networking. Perhaps Solaris would be even better. On a more serious note, it's refreshing to do my weekly updates, and know that all my vulnerable software is getting updated. No anti-virus, and no anti-spyware, it's nice. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] short RHAT?
On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 02:05 -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: Question: You're a Fortune 1000 company... you want to deploy some linux, but you require rock-solid support from a company with real assets and a real reputation. Your choices are: Red Hat, Canonical (Ubuntu), Sun (Ubuntu), Novel or Oracle. Who do you choose? Julian Yap wrote: I wouldn't say that Oracle has proven anything with their Linux support. I might take that a step further. I have yet to see a company manage security updates more slowly, or more sloppily than Oracle. If that in any way predicts what their Linux support will be like, then they should be chosen for mission critical systems. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] short RHAT?
Peter Besenbruch wrote: On Thu, 2006-10-26 at 02:05 -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: Question: You're a Fortune 1000 company... you want to deploy some linux, but you require rock-solid support from a company with real assets and a real reputation. Your choices are: Red Hat, Canonical (Ubuntu), Sun (Ubuntu), Novel or Oracle. Who do you choose? Julian Yap wrote: I wouldn't say that Oracle has proven anything with their Linux support. I might take that a step further. I have yet to see a company manage security updates more slowly, or more sloppily than Oracle. If that in any way predicts what their Linux support will be like, then they should be chosen for mission critical systems. There should be a not in there, as in ...they should NOT be chosen... -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky
Re: [LUAU] My experience with using Fedora Core 6 on a Dell Inspiron 6000 notebook
Julian Yap wrote: Hi all, A quick search found few notebook write ups about FC6 so I though I'd post my review. Link: http://julianyap.com/wiki/Fedora_Core_6_Zod_on_a_Dell_Inspiron_6000_notebook The link doesn't work. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] My experience with using Fedora Core 6 on a Dell Inspiron 6000 notebook
The link doesn't work. Try this one instead: http://julianyap.com/wiki/Fedora_Core_6_%22Zod%22_on_a_Dell_Inspiron_6000_notebook I went to the site and did a search for Fedora. I got a laptop from rCubed with Fedora 5 installed. All buttons work, and so does hibernation. Networking is nicely automated. I understand they did a lot of kernel patching to get things to work. Using a standard Fedora kernel breaks a lot of stuff. My other machines, including laptops use Kanotix. Debian's apt is so much faster than Yum, it isn't funny. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Sun releases Java under the GPL
Julian Yap wrote: http://www.sun.com/2006-1113/feature/ I think it's great that Sun chose the GPL. Really impressive. Oh, my! -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] s/hosef.ics.hawaii.edu/mirrors.hosef.org/g
Julian Yap wrote: I think we only have Suse and Debian update repositories from what I can tell. Vince, correct me if I'm wrong. The Suse updates are here: http://mirrors.hosef.org/suse/i386/update/10.0/ What distribution do you use? I use Debian. Is the Debian repository the full distribution? -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Microsoft: winning the battle, loosing the war
Jim Thompson wrote: Microsoft's recent OEM licensing changes are making for new linux installs: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=36635 OK, but I've had my share of trouble on Linux installs, too. That said, I have never purchased a copy of XP, and those computers that came with it, soon lost it. The reason? Product activation. It sounded like a pain, so I never went past Windows 2000. Nevermind the brain damage that is Vista: http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt As bad as XP was, Vista sounds worse. I'll toss in this link, where Robert Cringely comments on the link Jim provided: http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2006/pulpit_20061229_001403.html The short summary: Microsoft isn't committing suicide, but they may lose out in the multimedia department. The good news is that circa 2007 hardware is going to fly with GPL drivers that don't have to do any of that crap. Heck, Debian moves right along with an Athlon XP 1800+. My fastest machine is an Athlon 64 3000 (running a 32 bit install). I haven't gone for any of the multi-core stuff yet. What I like is that Linux runs faster on the 1800+ now than it did back in 2003, when I made the permanent switch. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] local help with X11
Jim Thompson wrote: I've got a well-used (but new to me) Dell Optiplex SX280 here. I've loaded Kubuntu 6.10 on it, and run apt-get ... to upgrade the packages to 'as good as it gets'. I can't get X11 to run any bigger than 1600x1200, though I have a Dell 2405FPW attached via DVI. If anyone wants to look, the requisite files are here: http://www.netgate.com/~jim/xorg.conf http://www.netgate.com/~jim/Xorg.0.log Do you have the 915resolution package installed? I also read that others have had problems going from Dapper to Edgy using the i810 driver. It may be a problem with the updated Xorg driver, or Ubuntu's implementation. Some comments suggest using Intel's driver: http://tinyurl.com/ywgmlc [intel.com] -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] local help with X11
Jim Thompson wrote: I've got a well-used (but new to me) Dell Optiplex SX280 here. I've loaded Kubuntu 6.10 on it, and run apt-get ... to upgrade the packages to 'as good as it gets'. I can't get X11 to run any bigger than 1600x1200, though I have a Dell 2405FPW attached via DVI. If anyone wants to look, the requisite files are here: http://www.netgate.com/~jim/xorg.conf http://www.netgate.com/~jim/Xorg.0.log On Feb 23, 2007, at 7:24 AM, Peter Besenbruch wrote: Do you have the 915resolution package installed? I also read that others have had problems going from Dapper to Edgy using the i810 driver. Jim Thompson wrote: I looked for one (with apt-cache search) but it didn't show up. I'm not too familiar with Ubuntu. It's a Debian package that makes using the i810 Xorg driver easier with numerous Intel chip sets (I never have to mess with modelines). It may be a problem with the updated Xorg driver, or Ubuntu's implementation. Some comments suggest using Intel's driver: http://tinyurl.com/ywgmlc [intel.com] Oh boy.. perhaps I'll have to go that way. Good luck. I'm sure you have all the time in the world, but it might be interesting to run Dapper, or the latest Debian on that box. If Dapper works and Debian doesn't, it's an Xorg issue. If Debian works, it's an Ubuntu configuration issue with Edgy. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] local help with X11
The clue was here: That sounds almost painless. Glad you fixed it. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Linspire damage control (on the subject of ESR 'leaving' Fedora)
Jim Thompson wrote: http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-11048-0.html?forumID=1threadID=30518messageID=567648start=-1 Eric Raymond's boot to Red Hat's head TalkBack 7 of 11: Next Previous Linspire CEO Kevin Carmony Responds ESR obviously has no idea of what he is talking about. There is only one true Linux distribution, and that's Debian (translation: I can usually get it installed and keep it maintained). Fedora is hardly my favorite distro, but Eric really ought to practice some discretion, like Linus when talking to the Gnome guys. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Linspire damage control (on the subject of ESR 'leaving' Fedora)
hey man, I run debian too, but I don't make claims that its the one true distro. Its right for me, and yes, I agree that its easy to install and maintain, but I've also had apt fsck my system to the point of not booting while upgrading 'testing'. I think I could screw up pretty much anything out there. :) I was able to repair same though. And when that doesn't work, there are backups. I really like the Etch installer when all else fails. It gives a very fine grained control if you want it. Well, thats the difference. Linus said, gnome sucks rocks, here's a patch. ESR said, fedora sucks, I quit. I agree. I may not always agree with Linus' methodology (though I do agree with him about KDE vs. Gnome), but he is a guy I ultimately respect. He may shoot his mouth off, but the is a fair bit of substance behind the guy. When he shoots off his mouth about SCO, he can actually be quite funny. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Watch out, linux...
Jim Thompson wrote: FreeBSD is preparing to eat the LAMP stack and belch out the 'L'. http://people.freebsd.org/~kris/scaling/mysql.html Good for them. They should have done this several years ago. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Top 10 Best / Worst Cities For Software Developer Pay
Jim Thompson wrote: Well, if thats true, then I apologize. It is. It was clear Stan wasn't happy with the situation either. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Vista: thin edge of the wedge
Jim Thompson wrote: http://aaxnet.com/editor/edit043.html Do you not like Microsoft, or something? ;) Seriously, you probably are preaching to the choir here. I bailed from Windows when XP started keying their copy protection to the specific machine it was installed on. Sure, there were cracks, but I didn't want to go there. It was copy protection that got me searching for a Windows replacement, back in the Fall of 2002. Had Microsoft not implemented that, I would still be using Windows. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Dell releasing pre-installed consumer Linux machines today
Julian Yap wrote: Here's the blog report: http://direct2dell.com/one2one/archive/2007/05/24/15994.aspx There's a video with interviews with the Dell Linux team but it comes down really slow. I've mirrored it here: http://hosef.org/media/video/dell_linux_20070524.ogg So, is anyone actually going to buy one? -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Dell releasing pre-installed consumer Linux machines today
Are you questioning whether people would actually buy Linux pre-installed? Or whether people would actually buy a Dell laptop which is hardware support for Linux by Dell? No, I'm asking whether anyone here is actually planning to buy one. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Price of freedom is a $50 saving
Julian Yap wrote: Ars Technica reports that the Windows tax is approximately $50: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070525-windows-tax-is-50-according-to-dell-linux-pc-pricing.html Greater than $50, when you factor in the cost of something more than Vista Home Basic. So, not bad. + you get the added benefit of an office suite and no pre-installed 'crap ware'. I imagine some may buy these machines to re-install Windows XP. The no crapware feature is worth a considerable time savings, at least, but OpenOffice has a perfectly decent Windows version. Can we talk Dell into including it on their Windows models? I know many people don't buy bare bones systems because the manufactures have charged them more than with Windows included (on consumer machines). The base Dell laptop comes with 512 meg. of RAM, good to go for Ubuntu, that's for sure. My daughter's school laptop has been going strong for two years. It also came with 512 meg. of RAM installed. It runs KDE 3.5.7 now. Applications like OpenOffice (it started as 1.0 on my daughter's machine) and Firefox have gotten a lot faster. It's nice having machines that speed up over time. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Price of freedom is a $50 saving
Peter Besenbruch wrote: The base Dell laptop comes with 512 meg. of RAM, good to go for Ubuntu, that's for sure. My daughter's school laptop has been going strong for two years. Jim Thompson wrote: 512MB may be enough, but 256MB is not. I just loaded xubuntu on a Dell Inspiron 2600 for my father (it had belonged to my step mother.) It has 256MB and a 1GHz p3. Neither Ubuntu or kubuntu would successfully install on it. Debian installs fine with 256 meg. KDE runs as well, once installed. Is it the extra overhead of the live CD? -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge
I made a mistake the other day by purchasing a motherboard with a brand new chipset (released in June). It is a Biostar TForce TF7025-M2. It is a socket AM2 board with an Nvidia 630a chipset, and integrated Nvidia 7025 graphics. It cames with Realtek NIC and some generic, built in sound. I like it for its support for 4 SATA devices, lots of USB ports, along with PS2 keyboard and mouse ports. It also accepts 4 gig. of RAM in 4 slots. I already had Debian installed, running a 2.6.21 kernel and Nvidia graphics, and decided to let it handle things. It didn't. It could only see one hard drive. The nv graphics driver wouldn't work, either. Networking worked, but streaming from the machine was erratic - lots of dropouts, regardless of the machine connecting to it. Grabbing a 2.6.22 kernel from sidux.com brought the second hard drive back, but network performance remained bad. For fun, I tried booting other distros. Ubuntu Feisty and PCLOS 2007 would boot, but failed to mount the very conventional, PATA DVD burner. Both dropped into a busybox shell within seconds of booting. Fedora 7's installer actually saw all the drives, so I decided, what the heck, and tried it. Everything worked, except the networking. It still had the same trouble. LSPCI has more occurrences of the word unknown than I would like (but that was true of Debian, as well). Eventually, I stuck in a Linksys NIC, and my problems went away. The last Fedora I had dealt with was version 5. 7 looks a lot prettier. Debian works better with a Sidux kernel than Fedora; Samba appears to work with fewer issues. Fedora's desktop is a lot prettier, though. If they would only use APT for RPM, I would be quite satisfied. ;) I suspect that six months from now Linux support will be a lot better. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge
Julian Yap wrote: On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 16:38 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote: Fedora's desktop is a lot prettier, though. If they would only use APT for RPM, I would be quite satisfied. ;) Would this work? :P $ yum info apt Unfortunately, they don't seem to emphasize it. Does APT even work with the official repositories? -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 22:22 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote: Unfortunately, they don't seem to emphasize it. Does APT even work with the official repositories? Julian Yap wrote: apt == yum deb == rpm $ sudo yum install apt ... Installed: apt.i386 0:0.5.15lorg3.2-10.fc7 $ sudo apt-get update I will give it a whirl tomorrow. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
[LUAU] Any use for a Motherboard
I have a spare Asus ATX motherboard, with an Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 and 2 gig of RAM. Could Luau, or Hosef use this? -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Any use for a Motherboard
R. Scott Belford wrote: Peter Besenbruch wrote: R. Scott Belford wrote: Peter Besenbruch wrote: I have a spare Asus ATX motherboard, with an Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 and 2 gig of RAM. Could Luau, or Hosef use this? I'll repost this, as I have not had any follow-through with this. Scott did answer, I answered to his e-mail address, but never heard from him. Ummm, okay, sorry about that. We left it at clarifying what island you are on. Is this something you can bring to Ewa? HOSEF can put it to use if you would like the tax deduction, etc.. I live on Oahu in Mililani. Yes I can bring it to Ewa. I had replied to your hosef address. What is a good e-mail so we can take this off list? -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] so much for OpenBSD
Julian Yap wrote: SELinux is enabled by default (targeted policy) in Red Hat Enterprise Linux and Fedora. And it's amazing how much better Fedora runs when you turn them off. :) -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Re: dangers to (Software) Freedom
Jim Thompson wrote: Man, I'm giggling now. The people in the coffee shop must think I'm insane. Not to change the subject, or anything, but what coffee shop do you like on Oahu? Which has good Internet access and good coffee? I rather like a coffee shop in Kaimuki, next to 1st Hawaiian Bank, but I would love to know about others. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Re: [buug] nano help!!!!
goku ball z wrote: Hi all, I have this problem. I am running suse linux 10.0 Enterprise. I was able to install nano-2.0.6 and as root I am able to use it. This is where my problem starts. When I exit root and try to use nano, I get this error message. nano: Command not found. but when I type /usr/local/bin/./nano I am able to use it. and since I am using tcsh shell I made a file called .cshrc and added the following: setenv EDITOR/usr/local/bin/./nano ( which didn't work ) then I tried this also setenv EDITOR/usr/local/bin/nano (which also didn't work) can someone out there help this hawaii newbie?! thanks and aloha from hawaii What about putting a link in /usr/bin to your Nano executable? I don't run Suse, but that's what Debian does. It's odd that they would put Nano in /usr/local/bin, as that usually isn't in the path. Try man ln. Frankly, I find it easier to do links with Midnight Commander, sometimes called mc. NetOpsCenter wrote: Aloha! I run FreeBSD here in Hawaii, but I added the LUAU list to this email. Plenty local Linux users on it could maybe help you. Whatever works. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Any use for a Motherboard
R. Scott Belford wrote: Peter Besenbruch wrote: I have a spare Asus ATX motherboard, with an Intel Core 2 Duo 6400 and 2 gig of RAM. Could Luau, or Hosef use this? It should be known that the current HOSEF demonstration and imaging box is using this motherboard donated by Peter. The case is some big steel case donated to us a few years back by somebody. The power supply came from a box fried by the earthquake. The hard drive came from Sandy and Dusty before they moved on to another city. Combined with some sweat, software, and ethernet, this ewaste became somebody's future. This is how HOSEF rolls. It sounds lovely and undoubtedly looks fashionable. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] headless fedora
Dave Burns wrote: Maybe I should go in the opposite order - I can log in over the serial connection when it is still booted runlevel 5 and has a monitor attached, can't I? You can, but you can also use a remote desktop connection. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] A Rhyme for Friday
On Friday 26 October 2007 12:27:41 R. Scott Belford wrote: The Boys and Girls Club In Ewa Beach. 2-5 Hi Scott, I'm not sure what help you need, but I would like to come. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Recommended FOSS network backup tool
On Thursday 01 November 2007 21:20:11 Julian Yap wrote: Normally I use command line tools to do network backups. eg. rsync, mysqldump It works but it's time for a dedicated tool to remove the thought cycles. Also tools can have pretty graphs. Does anyone have any FOSS network backup tools that they swear by? Sorry, I still swear by (at) TAR. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Notes on the Asus eee PC
On Saturday 19 January 2008 15:51:18 Ron Fox wrote: RE: the ASUS Eee PC, I've been thinking about buying one to use as a PDA, somewhat larger than my recently deceased Zaurus SL-5000D but a lot more functional. I have one, as well, and find it a wonderful machine. It does a wonderfull job browsing the Web at Coffee Talk in Kaimuki. I added an 8 GB SD card to it for data. I also use it to run Windows 98 under Qemu, and do a little writing with OpenOffice. I currently run eeeXubuntu on it. This little puppy travels anywhere. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] CD's Anyone?
On Thursday 14 February 2008 15:54:54 Matt Darnell wrote: I was looking through some of them and the oldest one I saw was an AOL 5.0CD. Does it run under Wine? -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/luau
Re: [LUAU] Hello - My Name is Scott
On Wednesday 26 March 2008 18:57:07 Dave Burns wrote: This answer is pretty vague. Vince and I have both asked similar questions on the list, which were also dismissed. Such questions get answered when an organization wants to work together. The level of conflict I have seen here means there will be no concrete movement as long as the players are in place and fighting. I have been to a couple of meetings with Scott, and he was clearly the leader of the meeting. No-one else from the board was there. In the long run, no organization will survive when the most active member fights the board. Legally, the board calls the shots, and it may be a good thing for Scott to form a separate organization of like minded people, rather than get into an escalating conflict. Whether there will be anything left of HOSEF, if Scott leaves is another issue. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] list moderation
On Saturday 29 March 2008 16:43:04 Vince Hoang wrote: I want HOSEF content back on hosef-managers, but it is the personal attacks that triggered my [extreme] reaction. I'm glad you did what you did. It was getting very ugly. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] Linux distros as anime characters
Which led to some wallpapers: http://www.jkhp.it/OS-tan/desktops.htm I sent this to my daughter, who is the only kid running Linux at Maryknoll. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] yes...was Re: Is this list still alive...
On Sunday 11 May 2008 12:51:27 Jim Roby wrote: Great,so Grub is located in the MBR but refers to it's menu list inside the default partition.? Ubuantu is listed as the default,but it also list two other iterations of the same OS,one seems like a diagnostic and the other a memory check shell.Then comes the line Other OS and below that Win2K.I was able to access the Grub shell but it would'nt accept changes,probably since I wasn't root and logged in. Thanks Jason. If your Windows 2000 partition is hosed, and you don't want to repair, reinstall, or otherwise fix it, you might want to get rid of the partition that it sits on, and expand the one Ubuntu sits on. This is a bit more involved, in that you need to know which partition is which, and you may need to edit, not only menu.lst, but also your /etc/fstab file. The advantage you get is extra disk space for Linux. The tool I use for editing partitions is the Gparted disk: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/download.php I second the recommendation for Hardy Heron. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] Fwd: Bad Random Number Generator
On Tuesday 13 May 2008 13:07:47 David Kiwerski wrote: Interesting - I just upgraded my Mepis on this machine with an ssh/ssl update. Is the update no good? Debian usually announces the updates several days after actually posting them. If you use Synaptic, it's easy to check the changelog of the package. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] System Build
On Wednesday 14 May 2008 19:06:38 kahrytan wrote: Does any one know where one can get nice and elegant computer cases on Oahu? But not those over priced stuff like the Antec cases. I'm not sure what the big box stores like Circuit City and Best Buy offer, but I tend to buy locally at Personal Touch, located across the street from where CompUSA used to be. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.hosef.org mailing list http://lists.hosef.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-hosef.org
Re: [LUAU] boring test, do not read
On Friday 04 July 2008 09:07:23 Dave Burns wrote: I just got messages that I got kicked off the list, so I am testing to see if this bounces. There is probably a more apropriate way to find out, but I am being lazy. Sorry, but it's not like this list gets much traffic any more, but I don't want to lose it. Dave I got the same message, that I was booted from the old list. I think everyone got it. It's so much trouble; I had to adjust an entire e-mail filter. ;) -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
[LUAU] Something Linux Related
I thought I would put in something Linux related. I installed OpenSuse on a Virtualbox machine. It was a network install. It took hours. Part of the problem was that Suse's servers have the bad habit of dying. At least it was easy to recover. I installed KDE4. I was pleasantly surprised; this was the first KDE4 from a distro that I found usable. It was vastly better that Fedora's aborted monstrosity. Another benefit over Fedora, is that Suse's X server actually played well with Virtualbox. I am also playing with a Qemu image of KDE4daily. These are regularly updated versions of KDE4 on Ubuntu (almost daily). I am watching the updates come down as I write. I have seen KDE4.1 go from a painfully slow, crash prone desktop to something improved. It's picked up speed (yes, even on Qemu), and it doesn't crash as much. Sometimes, a new feature will creep in, but I'm still waiting for a decent bookmark tool for Konqueror. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Wine 1.0 can be amazing
I recently experimented with Wine 1.0 under Ubuntu 8.04. I was utterly amazed at running World of Warcraft perfectly and at a stunning speed under an older P4 with a mediocre AGP card. Everything works. Even the sound is flawless. There are quite a few other apps listed in the Wine DB. It's really come a long way. I'm still waiting for it to run Word Perfect 10, or Microsoft Publisher 98. It tends to work on graphics programs, and rather imperfectly on a Windows 3 era dictionary. I still run the dictionary, because it's good, and I put up with the display imperfections. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Something Linux Related
So not with KDE4 they've 'cleaned it up' so a lot of the reasons I used it in the first place are gone. They've taken out all the 'Advanced' features. I may as well be using Gnome-Terminal. KDE4 has gotten a little more Gnomish, and that's not a good thing. I'm hoping much of that configurability comes back. Anyone know if I can easily run KDE3's Konsole on a KDE4 based distro? You should be able to run KDE3 and 4 on the same machine. One of the reasons Suse's version of KDE4 is so good is that it incorporates elements of KDE3. I read in the Debian newsletter that Lenny, the upcoming release will not include KDE4. I think that's a good thing. In preparation for the changeover, I have been changing my APT sources to reference Lenny, rather than Testing. KDE 3.5.9 is a really good desktop environment, and I think I want to stick with it for a while yet. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] How long should it take to put a system together?
On Wednesday 13 August 2008 20:07:31 Karen Lofstrom wrote: How long would it take an experienced assembler to put a system unit together from scratch, using parts that he/she hadn't previously used? (Part of my time was spent reading manuals.) 45 minutes? An hour? I'd say 2 hours, 2.5 with OS installation for Linux, 3 for Windows. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Quiet case?
Replace the case fans? If that doesn't work, replace the case? (I don't think the problem is the power supply or the CPU, but it's hard to tell.) If I replace the case, should I order something fancy from Acoustic PC, or get something from a local seller? If local seller, any recommendations for a quiet case (ATX, tower)? I've never had a CPU fan hum, except when it was working hard, but it never caused the case to hum. There's just too much material between it and the case itself. As for the power supply, I have found that the power supplies bundled with most cases are cheap. Spending money on a good power supply is generally worth it in terms of increased reliability and energy savings. I recommend the following troubleshooting steps: Open the side of the case. Turn on the computer. Does it hum? If not, then pad the side panel. If the case hums with the panel off, then unplug each case fan until the humming stops. The last fan you unplug will be the culprit. If the case still hums when you have unplugged the case fans, listen closely to the power supply. Other sources of noise are the hard drives and the CDROM drive. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] problems with RoadRunner?
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 19:57:32 -1000 Dwight Victor (Gmail) dwight.vic...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Folks, Seems like RoadRunner is having some issues; anybody know what's up? Can't resolve any of their hostnames; even using Google or RoadRunner's own DNS servers. Their customer service line is busy and their web chat thing showed a queue of over 200 users. Still got connectivity, just no RoadRunner hosted services (i.e., mail, DNS, etc.). It was constant problems with Road Runner that send me over to Lavanet. At least most Linux users know how to point to different DNS servers. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] problems with RoadRunner?
On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 21:45:22 -1000 Dwight Victor (Gmail) dwight.vic...@gmail.com wrote: Even with OpenDNS' servers I can't resolve smtp-server.hawaii.rr.com...something is royally screwed. Give it time; it will come back eventually. If it's down more than 12 hours, I would demand a credit. -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] RR SMTP should resolve with OpenDNS
On Fri, 3 Dec 2010 17:56:25 -0800 (PST) Julian Yap julian_...@yahoo.com wrote: I use Google Public DNS at home: http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ The Hawaii.rr.com DNS servers are really bad and don't honor TTL's. They just have very long caching and it varies depending on the DNS server you hit. Aside from Lavanet's DNS servers, I keep the Verizon DNS IP addresses handy. They start at 4.2.2.1. I almost always prepend the Verizon server when a computer uses Hawaiiantel as its ISP, as their DNS servers are frequently slow, or lack information and stall out (like when trying to reach debian.org). -- Hawaiian Astronomical Society: http://www.hawastsoc.org HAS Deepsky Atlas: http://www.hawastsoc.org/deepsky ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] IP address on Cable
I am trying to help a guy with a Windows 7 box. He has netflix on this cable too so it may have a fixed IP. If not fixed, then the same for extended periods. He gets attacked a lot with viruses and other weirdness even with Norton on the box. I always am suspicious of anti-virus software. I don't think it works well. The main difference between cable and ADSL is that the cable folks share a quasi-local network with a number of other households. If Windows networking isn't blocked on Windows' firewall, or the router, in theory other people on that network can browse the files on a user's machine. Likewise, malware with that capability can have better luck spreading on cable. Any suggestions appreciated. Install Linux. ;) Failing that, you need to check into the guy's browsing and e-mail habits. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] TurboPrint - pretty freaking cool
On Mon, 07 Mar 2011 20:34:15 -1000 Jeff Mings je...@lava.net wrote: Hello All! I just discovered a commercial Linux package called TurboPrint. I have to share my experience. I have been using Turboprint for years. It was the only driver available for my Canon Printers. In the last few years I have switched to a networked, color laser printer that uses Postscript. With 3rd party toner, it is cheap to run. Xerox makes it, and they provide a Linux driver. I understand that Epson provides Linux drivers as well through a third party outfit. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] TurboPrint - pretty freaking cool
On Tue, 08 Mar 2011 11:55:52 -0800 David Kiwerski wp2...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Has anyone tried the Kodak printers with Linux? Turboprint doesn't support them. Kodak has a pretty bad reputation in the Linux community. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] WiFi NIC that plays nice with Linux?
On Tue, 24 May 2011 11:38:47 -1000 Jeff Mings je...@lava.net wrote: This laptop has a built-in 10/100 ethernet NIC, and I was wondering if anyone has a strong recommendation for one of the USB WiFi NICs for a modern Linux. I.e., there are several listed on NewEgg that _should_ work, but I'm interested in real-world experience. Also, there are several very tiny USB stubby NICs that are so small that they can be left in. These would seem to have very limited antenna strength. Anyone tried one of those and tested coverage and signal strength? If you don't need N, the Zonet 2500P is a good one that is both cheap, and that works with weak signals. It's basically plug and play. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833130111Tpk=zonet%20zew2500p ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Need a time server in Hawaii
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:58:43 -1000 Al Plant n...@hdk5.net wrote: Anybody on the list have the name of a local time server I can use to set a FreeBSD machine that tends to drift. tick.mhpcc.hpc.mil ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Need a time server in Hawaii
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:58:43 -1000 Al Plant n...@hdk5.net wrote: Anybody on the list have the name of a local time server I can use to set a FreeBSD machine that tends to drift. On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:14:23 -1000 Peter Besenbruch pe...@besenbruch.info wrote: tick.mhpcc.hpc.mil Of course, that depends on the kind of server you have. This isn't really an open, or strata one server. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Need help with internet wiring
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:40:46 -1000 Karen Lofstrom klofst...@gmail.com wrote: Since this list is a bit active today ... Supergeeks does jobs like that, at least, they did with me. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] my list presence restoration....?
On Sat, 05 Nov 2011 12:31:56 -1000 Ben Timmerman bentn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not expecting this to get posted/disseminated to the list...except to the movers and shakers who decide who can and cannot be a list member. Well, it did. If you get this, it means you are still signed up. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Favorite Linux backup programs?
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:43:00 -1000 Jason Axelson bostonvaul...@gmail.com wrote: I've been looking into backup programs for home and work and right now I am thinking of using tarsnap personally and experimenting with bup http://www.tarsnap.com/ https://github.com/apenwarr/bup So what are your favorite (preferably command-line only) backup programs for Linux? Sorry I can't be of more help, but I use TAR. I keep using it, because I can restore reliably. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Precise Pangolin is looking good
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:15:31 -0700 (PDT) Julian Yap julian_...@yahoo.com wrote: I've been a long time desktop Linux user but the recent Gnome3 and Unity has soured my hopes of the future. I encountered my Linux desktop crisis with the transition to KDE4. Running Debian Lenny helped put it off for a while. With Squeeze the issue was the use of the not quite ready for prime time KDE4.4 and the ruination of the KDEPIM packages. Thus began a transition to Ubuntu Lucid or Mint Isadora with XFCE. A similarly equipped Debian runs faster and requires less RAM than either Ubuntu or Mint, though. I still run Fedora 16 on of my work PCs but I switched it to Gnome 3 fallback mode (kind of like Gnome 2 but crappy). Have you checked into any of Mint's alternatives. I agree with your assessment of Gnome 3 Fallback. The argument with Linux is 'just install x desktop' but the problem is if you don't have sane and usable defaults from the outset you're already off to bad start with users. True. However I don't think Fedora has enough Linux market share to influence things. Ubuntu does, and that is why this crazy shift to Unity is causing such pain. The issues with Gnome may improve through the use of extensions. A properly done Gnome 3 distro will be evaluated in part on its use of them. Again, Mint has garnered early praise on this front. As for myself, I don't like things that are quite so bleeding edge as Fedora. When I purchase a new machine, it tends to get Debian installed, given that I value stability over the latest and greatest. Since I know what is coming with Wheezy, I have stayed with XFCE instead of Gnome. A number of Fedora respins have also stayed with Gnome 2: Blag, Fuduntu, and Fusion are three that have done so. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Unity follows the bad idea of one UI for all devices
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 08:45:43 -1000 Jeff Mings je...@lava.net wrote: Getting back the gnome-2-ish look for Ubuntu 12.04 is really easy: $ sudo apt-get install gnome-session-fallback I have one computer running Ubuntu with XFCE (from a PPA) installed. I use it a lot. It was a netbook from System 76. It came with the Netbook Interface (aka pre-Unity). As I use it basically as a desktop machine (with external monitor, keyboard, and mouse), I removed all of the netbook interface, and much of Gnome. My son used Netbook Interface on his netbook for a while, but as he mostly uses an external monitor, it proved clunky. When he got a 20, 1600x1200 monitor, he switched to XFCE. My laptop and desktop run Lucid Lynx (Ubuntu 10.04) and Gnome 2 allows me to be very productive. However, I wanted to see if another box, that will primarily be running Zoneminder, would be tolerable with Unity. With the addition of ClassicMenu Indicator, Unity UI is usable. I passed your previous message on to a friend of mine, whose wife uses Unity on her netbook. She has been fighting the interface since Natty. The good news, is that when he finally updated his wife's machine to Oneiric, he noticed smoother operation, and fewer bugs. I think he will update once more to Precise, and then leave well enough alone. Unity has driven many people to Mint Linux or CentOS. If Ubuntu offered another official derivative ( http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives ) using Gnome 2, I would expect it to eclipse all of the other versions. Gnome 3 is absolutely beautiful, but is a regression from a productivity standpoint. It will be interesting to see how the Gnome extensions work out. I have never been a fan of Gnome 2's default layout. Even on a 4:3 ratio screen, I found that the two bars tended to take up too much space. Mint consolidated everything to a single, bottom bar, and that was pretty good. Now Mint is offering Mate, straight Gnome 3, Gnome 3 with extensions, and the even more ambitious Cinnamon. We'll see how this all shakes out. As for me. I use netbooks, because they are cheap and pretty versatile. In my search for KDE 3 alternatives, I have settled on XFCE, because it does what I need, is rock stable, and boots to desktop using as little as 90 megabytes. Netbooks fly under such an arrangement. XFCE 4.8 from PPA has several advantages over version 4.6 available in Debian: The panel moves to the side of the screen more gracefully. The launcher interface has improved. It does a better job with transparency. In short, XFCE is first rate. Let's hope it stays that way. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Unity follows the bad idea of one UI for all devices
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 09:56:33 -1000 Jeff Mings je...@lava.net wrote: Interesting comments. I noticed an irritating anomaly in XFCE behavior under Ubuntu 10.04. I was unable to copy something from the desktop and then paste it into a sub folder using Thunar, the default file manager. When I opened the desktop in Thunar and copied from there, the operation worked. I haven't had the time to look into this problem, but it's on a machine serving as a sort-of-remote-desktop machine for a few users to run Thunderbird from whatever location they're at. I like the small memory / cpu footprint of XFCE. Any idea of a suitable resolution? Thunar got better in version 4.8, but I still don't use it. I use PCmanFM. With both XFCE 4.6 and 4.8 I could not duplicate the problem. I created a folder in Thunar off of the desktop. Dragging some other file to the desktop folder within Thunar worked. Dragging the file directly from the desktop into the new folder I created in Thunar worked. I then did the same using a VNC connection to another machine (which also ran XFCE). It ran as expected. Ubuntu uses version XFCE 4.6 by default. The distributions running 4.6 were Debian Squeeze and Ubuntu Lucid. If XFCE acts flakey, what some people do is delete the content of the ~/.cache/sessions directory. That helped me in one instance. If you want to try 4.8, you can add this to your sources.list file: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/alexx2000/xfce/ubuntu lucid main ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Anyone got suggestions on low latency to the mainland ISP's
I vaguely remember that Tony Q. and the folks at LavaNET used to do this, but is that gone now that the lavanet folks are gone? Is there any ISP's left that actually optimize their networks? UH can get to SF within 50ms, does anyone get those kinds of numbers on an ISP? It's about double that with Hawaiiantel. Lavanet is still around and claim a latency of 40-80 ms on their DSL service. They appear to piggyback on both Hawaiiantel and Oceanic. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] A reflection on the state of the Linux desktop
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:17:03 -1000 Jeff Mings je...@lava.net wrote: Gnome 3 is not really ready for prime time. If you're using Ubuntu 12.04 and don't like Unity, go straight to Mate Desktop and don't waste your time playing with the others. Thanks for your impressions of Unity and Gnome. I fear Gnome 3 will make Gnome a mere shadow of its former self. The Gnome team's lack of responsiveness reminds me of the XFree86 crew, and Oracle. Here's hoping Mate stays viable. My own path over the years has been different. I was always partial to KDE. I was smart enough to avoid the earliest versions of KDE 4, making the jump to 4.3. I noticed several things: There was less functionality than 3.5 (mostly rectified now). The memory footprint was larger. You could run KDE with 256 meg. of RAM. Now you really need 512. There was lots of stuff running in the background, and things got worse if you ran KDE-PIM. Eventuallly, I found substitutes for the KDE apps I ran. I use the version 3.5 version of KDEaddressbook from Trinity. I switched from Kmail to Claws. I do my calendar stuff with an on-line app that comes with the domain I use, instead of Korganizer. With most of the KDE apps gone, KDE went too. Eventually I settled on XFCE 4.8. I use it on Ubuntu Lucid and Debian Squeeze. With Squeeze, it uses less than 90 meg. on a fresh boot to desktop. It's very flexible, and above all, stable. I also use Remmina to connect to a Vino server, both running under XFCE. Hey, they work. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] XFCE is fairly cool
On Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:19:25 -1000 Jeff Mings je...@lava.net wrote: Thanks, Peter It's interesting to hear about everyone's desktop preferences. I really like XFCE too. I experimented with XFCE and LXDE and concluded that XFCE was more robust and mature than LXDE. Yes, it's a neat trick, a relatively feature full desktop and more stable. LXDE uses one component I like, and that's PCmanFM, otherwise its XFCE all the way at this point. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] A reflection on the state of the Linux desktop
When KDE made the jump from 3 to 4 it annoyed me because I used Konsole (which was awesome) as my primary terminal which was then replaced by a crappy bare bones KDE 4 Konsole... I eventually switched to just running Gnome terminal. Konsole was wonderful. I agree. The problem is that larger open source projects such as Gnome and KDE don't have the resources to put out a new major release of their desktop early on. So they need to just release it and improve it over time. In the meanwhile users suffer and the whole usage is different. I'm a strong proponent of gradualism. I seem to remember OSX having it's troubles in the first four versions, or so. XFCE has evolved gradually, and it shows in exceptional stability. ... Except I know I'm not alone but my primary laptop is now a MacBook Air 13. The main problem is that Linux laptops suck with suspend/resume/hibernate and battery life. In the end it just feels so much better to throw the lid of the laptop down and lift it up without hoping things don't go bad. And in the end, I'm still just using the terminal mostly and Linux has won the server battle. Which is what I do with mine, and it works, always. Yes, you have to know what works and what doesn't with Linux, but there's a lot that does, including Macbook Air, if I read correctly. Failing that, there is always ZaReason, and companies like that. btw. I just ordered this: http://tinyurl.com/cnwhdny ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Best HawnTel DSL modem?
On Mon, 05 May 2014 08:56:24 -1000 Jeff Mings je...@lava.net wrote: Hello Everyone! I was hoping to tap the list's wisdom about DSL modems available through Hawaiian Tel. I had liked the way the Pace DSL modems worked (for the most part) but I have had several that decided to become unreliable, requiring resets every few days. I have a basic Westell E90 series, and it's been rock steady for several years. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
Re: [LUAU] Mirror may get shutdown
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:52:34 + Brian Chee wrote: > If UH is ordered to shutdown, my plan is to shutdown the Linux mirror site to > avoid damage from power issues. > > Brian Chee Hang in there, Brian, and everyone else. ___ LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org mailing list http://lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org/listinfo.cgi/luau-freesoftwarehawaii.org
