Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu submit sessions for Lubuntu

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

as I cannot attend UDS and maybe might not attend even irc (at least not until 
Friday) but want to help you guys some way, I made a little video discussing 
some of the stuff regarding theming, applications and other 'nice to have 
features'. 
Here's the link to the video : http://blip.tv/file/2857237
(the video might be still converting to flv but you can also download the 
source) 

Regards,
Leszek Lesner

On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:12:14 -0600
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The Ubuntu developpers submit will begin this monday. There will be 4 
> sessions dedicated to Lubuntu (if schedule don't change):
> Tuesday 17th, 15h (21h UTC), Room Madison : Artwork [1]
> Tuesday 17th, 16h15 (22h15 UTC), Room Waverly : Default applications [2]
> Wednesday 18th, 9h (15h UTC), Room Waverly : Packaging tasks [3]
> Friday 20th, 11h (17h UTC), Room Presidente : Community goals for LXDE [4].
> 
> You can see informations about remote participation on the Ubuntu wiki [5]. 
> Especially, there is specific IRC chan, but I'll try to not forget to 
> announce it on #lubuntu chan.
> 
> Feel free to add comments on the whiteboard of the blueprint or on the wiki 
> page for futur discussion.
> 
> Thanks for your participation.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> [1]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/LubuntuLucidArtwork
> [2]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/LubuntuLucidApplications
> [3]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/LubuntuLucidPackagingPolicy
> [4]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/LXDECommunityDevelopmentLucid
> [5]: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-L/RemoteParticipation
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Possible additions / changes

[Leszek Lesner]

The combination of gnome-mplayer as a multimedia player for everything and 
xmms2 + lxmusic for music management would be the best combination for the 
future. 
If xmms2 and lxmusic won't become stable or good enough, we can always stick to 
aqualung. 
As we are creating an LXDE based Distribution we should stick to something 
developed by the LXDE guys, because this will help them to improve there apps. 
(more testers -> more bug reports -> better software). So lxmusic should be 
definitely be in.

On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:04:49 -0700 (MST)
supp...@buntfu.com wrote:

> The only problem I could see with exaile is its dependency on gstreamer.
> Since mplayer is the default movie player for lubuntu it makes sense to
> utilize mplayer as the backend to handle music playing to avoid adding
> unneeded libraries to the overall system.
> 
> Regards,
> Ronnie
> Buntfu.com
> 
> 
> > Pmount makes sense but I tried gmusicbrowser and it is nether a
> > lightweight music player like lxmusic which I think should remain the
> > default nor a full music library  like exaile which I think should be a
> > recommended option for those who want to mange a music library and not
> > just play the odd song.
> >
> > The main issue I had with gmusicbrowser was that it seemed to take over
> > my CPU and it didn't seem as complete and user-friendly as exaile anyway.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > supp...@buntfu.com wrote:
> >> Two possible additions, first pmount seems to take care of PCManFM not
> >> mounting cd's and usb devices... the second would be to replace the
> >> music
> >> player with gmusicbrowser since you can use mplayer as its backend, it
> >> has
> >> many interfaces and handles large music libraries very well and it super
> >> lightweight... these were the first things i changed when installing
> >> lubuntu for a friend..
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Ronnie
> >> Buntfu.com
> >>
> >>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu proposed technical preview (called lx-ultra)

[Leszek Lesner]

Here a technical preview of a LXDE based Ubuntu (Lubuntu proposed) Desktop 
based on Karmic Koala. 

Software included :
Kernel 2.6.32-7 (lucid) 
PCManFM 0.5.2 (bugfixed release) 
gnome-mplayer (+ codecs) 
aqualung
xfburn (burning app)
claws-mail (mail client)
chromium-browser (build 4.0.226) (webbrowser)
people 0.2 (manage vcards)
orage (manage vcal) 
gnome-alsamixer (audiomixer app) 
OpenOffice 3.1 (fitts on cd but maybe too memory intensive, especially for 128 
MB RAM users) 
WICD to manage networks
gigolo (as networkmanager and computer icon on the desktop to launch and mount 
drives [convenience for windows switcher] ) 


I changed some config files of openbox to support FN-Keys for some netbooks (so 
Volume up and down should work). Included is also a custom theme and a LXDE 
Menu button. 

Some new hotkeys:
CTRL+ALT+T will now launch a new Terminal window
CTRL+ALT+D will now launch a new filemanager window (SUPER + D will hide all 
windows and show the desktop) 

Some apps like network-manager , gnome-power-manager, xfce4-volumed that use 
the new notify-osd system are fine but seem to eat to much memory so I removed 
them for now and put in some replacements, like wicd and a volume.sh script. 
I also added those apps from the app proposel page that seem to do best in my 
opinion. 
See : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
The CDRigBy from the other features would be nice to include, but the website 
seems to be down. 
More on Lubuntu : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
How to get involved: http://blog.lxde.org/?p=562

The obligatory screenshots:
xsplash: 
http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/33545/2009_12_08_201127_1280x800_scrot_iYt3XS.png
desktop: 
http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/33546/2009_12_08_201146_1280x800_scrot_utIQ4J.png

Download: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/lx-ultra-remix.iso
MD5: 29811ba871d3a4088de8f71ac1a7948b lx-ultra-remix.iso

Note: This is only a testing version and is not intent to run on a productive 
machine. Virtualbox seems to have problems loading the vboxvideo driver thats 
not avaiable. Simply edit the xorg.conf and try to load it with the vesa 
driver. 

Comments and feedback are appreciated :)

PS: I will put the artwork onto the lucid incoming artwork very soon: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid
aswell as the openbox configuration file/patch for the added hotkeys.


Regards,
Leszek

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 1 "Preview"

[Leszek Lesner]

The ubuntu-restricted-extras will only install gstreamer-plugins-bad and 
gstreamer-ffmpeg. As SMPlayer might be using w32codecs which aren't packaged in 
ubuntu right now (only medibuntu as far as I know) we could create a shell 
scribt downloading the codec, but as it isn't offically ubuntu, I don't know 
really. 
Btw. why still using smplayer ? I thought QT requirements should be avoided. 
Why not using gnome-mplayer (making a vote perhaps to choose the right media 
player)

The NewWave Theme I created would be also nice to integrate: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/NewWave 

PS: The fonts problem described is caused because LXDE doesn't have 
font-hinting(like gnome or KDE have). 

BUGs I noticed: 
- Isolinux boot menu localization is not completed (I think we need to 
recompile the *.tr files here, but I am not quite sure)
- Right cick menu on desktop points to windowmanagers (openbox) menu. (Simply 
change default config of pcmanfm to fix this)
- Still using sylpheed (its outdated ! come on who stores passwords in 
cleartext !? Fix: Switch to claws-mail (localization support and by far better 
plugin support, spam filter etc. ) 
- Some apps seem too have to big default window size considering using them on 
the eeePC or any other netbook. 
- We should consider removing PyNeighborhood if the gvfs implementation in 
pcmanfm2 is completed (2 apps for solving the same issues here, see Ubuntu 
which only ships with nautilus(file-manager) for browsing ftp) 

Suggestions:
I attached a little modified openbox config which changes some of the hotkeys 
(e.g. WIN+D for hide to desktop, CTRL+ALT+D opens up pcmanfm, CTRL+ALT+T opens 
up terminal)
I would also suggest adding a screenshot application. As you can see in the 
modified openbox config, I am currently using scrot. It stores the files 
directly in the home folder with current date and time as file name. 
Tiling Windows is a nice and interesting way to add a kinda expose effect to 
openbox. I found http://ftp.unixdev.net/pub/debian-udev/pool/main/t/tile/ which 
may work. (not tested yet) and http://pytyle.com/wiki/Main_Page . Sadly they 
seem not be packaged in ubuntu. 


Regards, and happy new year to all 
Leszek Lesner


On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:38:29 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Thanks for the test. There is already a packages for restricted extras
> (ubuntu-restricted-extras). What packages are missing ?
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> Le jeudi 31 décembre 2009 à 15:33 +0500, omer akram a écrit :
> > ok i have installed this live image without a problem. this image is
> > much better than the previous images. i have a question. how to
> > install codecs for smplayer? will there be any
> > lubuntu-restricted-extras typos thing? wicd does not connect at first
> > try but work at second try. i also filed a  request for
> > indicator-applet-session for lxpanel
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/500053
> > fonts are better than before but still not that good as in ubuntu
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Julien Lavergne 
> > wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I just generated the first real ISO for Lubuntu Lucid,
> > available for
> > testing. Don't forget that it's build with Ubuntu Lucid
> > (10.04) which is
> > still in Alpha state of development, so same warnings :
> > 
> > "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing
> > a stable
> > system or anyone who is not comfortable running into
> > occasional, even
> > frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu
> > developers
> > and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing
> > bugs."
> > 
> > Features :
> > - LXDE packages up-to-date [1]
> > - LXDM
> > - The new pcmanfm for testing (type "pcmanfm2" in a terminal)
> > - Many wallpapers and start icons from lxde forum, gnome-look
> > or Leszek
> > Lesner, to be able to switch easily and to test the result
> > - First customization with a splash screen from Leszek Lesner
> > - Installable with ubiquity (but upgrade from this Alpha 1 to
> > next
> > release is not guaranteed)
> > 
> > The ISO is called "Preview", because it's build with new
> > features which
> > will be part of the final release, and to encourage early
> > testing. All
> > this components are not yet part of the official repositories
> >

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 1 "Preview"

[Leszek Lesner]

Ah missed the attachement :)


On Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:38:29 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Thanks for the test. There is already a packages for restricted extras
> (ubuntu-restricted-extras). What packages are missing ?
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> Le jeudi 31 décembre 2009 à 15:33 +0500, omer akram a écrit :
> > ok i have installed this live image without a problem. this image is
> > much better than the previous images. i have a question. how to
> > install codecs for smplayer? will there be any
> > lubuntu-restricted-extras typos thing? wicd does not connect at first
> > try but work at second try. i also filed a  request for
> > indicator-applet-session for lxpanel
> > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/500053
> > fonts are better than before but still not that good as in ubuntu
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Julien Lavergne 
> > wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I just generated the first real ISO for Lubuntu Lucid,
> > available for
> > testing. Don't forget that it's build with Ubuntu Lucid
> > (10.04) which is
> > still in Alpha state of development, so same warnings :
> > 
> > "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing
> > a stable
> > system or anyone who is not comfortable running into
> > occasional, even
> > frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu
> > developers
> > and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing
> > bugs."
> > 
> > Features :
> > - LXDE packages up-to-date [1]
> > - LXDM
> > - The new pcmanfm for testing (type "pcmanfm2" in a terminal)
> > - Many wallpapers and start icons from lxde forum, gnome-look
> > or Leszek
> > Lesner, to be able to switch easily and to test the result
> > - First customization with a splash screen from Leszek Lesner
> > - Installable with ubiquity (but upgrade from this Alpha 1 to
> > next
> > release is not guaranteed)
> > 
> > The ISO is called "Preview", because it's build with new
> > features which
> > will be part of the final release, and to encourage early
> > testing. All
> > this components are not yet part of the official repositories
> > (work in
> > progress).
> > 
> > Also, if you want to propose a new application for the default
> > installation, please test its behavior in this live-cd.
> > 
> > If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the
> > usb creator
> > directly on Ubuntu.
> > 
> > Please report any problem you have with it on this list or
> > directly to
> > me. Exception for pcmanfm2, it doesn't have all the features
> > pcmanfm
> > have, so no need to report it's incomplete :)
> > 
> > Download :
> > http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-alpha1.iso
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Julien Lavergne
> > 
> > [1] except LXmusic which was released recently and is not part
> > of
> > Lubuntu. Some packages are not yet in official repositories,
> > but it's
> > just a question of time.
> > 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 1 "Preview"

[Leszek Lesner]

Ok, 

here now I am suggestiong using gnome-mplayer instead of smplayer. 
Its gtk based and a little bit faster than smplayer by offering almost the same 
functionality. 

I am also suggesting the use of claws-mail instead of sylhpheed. 
Arguments: Saves passwords not in cleartext. Has lots of plugins. 
I have personal experience with sylpheed as we used it in ZevenOS also at 
first. But mainly due to localization issues we switched. (Version 2.7 though) 
The First Run Assistant is also much easier to understand for beginners. The 
plugin support is by far better. 
So simply more features :)
See also 
http://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/General_Information#What_is_Claws_Mail.3F




On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:07:49 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Le samedi 02 janvier 2010 à 10:58 +0100, Leszek Lesner a écrit :
> > The ubuntu-restricted-extras will only install gstreamer-plugins-bad
> > and gstreamer-ffmpeg. As SMPlayer might be using w32codecs which
> > aren't packaged in ubuntu right now (only medibuntu as far as I know)
> > we could create a shell scribt downloading the codec, but as it isn't
> > offically ubuntu, I don't know really. 
> If it's outside Ubuntu official repositories, we can't do more than
> mention the Medibuntu repo when people have problems with codecs, but we
> can't include something like a script or an automated process to get
> them.
> 
> > Btw. why still using smplayer ? I thought QT requirements should be
> > avoided. Why not using gnome-mplayer (making a vote perhaps to choose
> > the right media player)
> Feel free to open a discussion on the mailing list, I'll support the
> switch to gnome-mplayer ;)
> 
> > The NewWave Theme I created would be also nice to integrate:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/NewWave
> Maybe in the next release, like other piece of artwork.
> 
> > PS: The fonts problem described is caused because LXDE doesn't have
> > font-hinting(like gnome or KDE have). 
> > 
> > BUGs I noticed: 
> > - Isolinux boot menu localization is not completed (I think we need to
> > recompile the *.tr files here, but I am not quite sure)
> Do you know which locale are missing ?


It seems every locale for the LiveCD menu entry(Try Lubuntu without any...) and 
installation menu entry(Install Lubuntu) seem not to be localized. 

> 
> > - Right cick menu on desktop points to windowmanagers (openbox) menu.
> > (Simply change default config of pcmanfm to fix this)
> It is intentional, the openbox menu provide IMO more interesting
> features than the pcmanfm one. It will be revert if users are not happy
> with it.

I think the most common one would be the pcmanfm right click stuff and so it 
should be used default

> 
> > - Still using sylpheed (its outdated ! come on who stores passwords in
> > cleartext !? Fix: Switch to claws-mail (localization support and by
> > far better plugin support, spam filter etc. ) 
> It's not outdated, it's the last version released some days ago. Feel
> free also to open a discussion on the mailing list for another email
> client.
> 
> > - Some apps seem too have to big default window size considering using
> > them on the eeePC or any other netbook.
> Names ?

I tested those apps at a 800x600 resolution: 
PyNeighborhood (width a little bit too long) 
XFBurn (width)
Software Sources (starts with bottom part under lxpanel, width and height is 
okay though)
 


> 
> > - We should consider removing PyNeighborhood if the gvfs
> > implementation in pcmanfm2 is completed (2 apps for solving the same
> > issues here, see Ubuntu which only ships with nautilus(file-manager)
> > for browsing ftp) 
> Only when pcmanfm2 will be completed.
> 
> > Suggestions:
> > I attached a little modified openbox config which changes some of the
> > hotkeys (e.g. WIN+D for hide to desktop, CTRL+ALT+D opens up pcmanfm,
> > CTRL+ALT+T opens up terminal)
> Thanks, I'll merge it to the current config file.
> 
> > I would also suggest adding a screenshot application. As you can see
> > in the modified openbox config, I am currently using scrot. It stores
> > the files directly in the home folder with current date and time as
> > file name. 
> Good idea.
> 
> > Tiling Windows is a nice and interesting way to add a kinda expose
> > effect to openbox. I found
> > http://ftp.unixdev.net/pub/debian-udev/pool/main/t/tile/ which may
> > work. (not tested yet) and http://pytyle.com/wiki/Main_Page . Sadly
> > they seem not be packaged in ubuntu. 
> tile seems very old, not sure it still working.
> pystyle need to be packaged, and only after this we can considering it
> for inclusion.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 

Regards,
Leszek Lesner

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 1 "Preview"

[Leszek Lesner]

It is simply speaking a package repo localy + alternate installer. 
The alternate installer is a simple package to install. The package repo is 
normally a little bit smaller than the livecd files (because the files are 
compressed) but I think we should only consider including the alternate 
installer on cd when we finished considering of the livecd apps (as space might 
get short) 


Regards,
Leszek Lesner

On Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:31:49 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le samedi 02 janvier 2010 à 21:31 +0500, omer akram a écrit :
> > @Julien
> > 
> > 
> > >For the alternate, yes but it's something we plan for futur ISO. Once
> > >the "standard" ISO is well tested, an alternate will be generated
> > too :)
> >  
> > this iso size is less than 400mb so why not add the alternate install
> > feature to the normal live cd?
> If it's doable yes. I need to study a bit more how we can generated an
> alternate ISO. It's a bit different than a live-cd ISO.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

Firefox has its good points. But packed with lots of plugins it also sucks at 
memory usage. 
So Chromium +1 , because:
+ FAST (I mean really fast, the time I start firefox the same time, I open 
almost 10 Tabs within chromium) 
+ Stable (Thirdparty plugins, like JAVA and Flash don't bring the browser down 
if(when) crashing)
+ Lots of extensions (not comparable to firefox but far better than midori or 
arora) 
+ You don't need to make google the default search engine, to call this browser 
chromium (see firefox: can only be called firefox, if search engine is google 
and we don't touch the default profile, thats insane) 
+ html5 youtube+veoh (x264) is working quite well with codecs installed
- Chromium misses SSL encryption in the linux version still, so https sites 
without certificate
- html5 ogg theora playback seems to be broken since quite a few builds

So we need to make a choice:

Firefox (slow but low memory usage) OR
Chromium (blazing fast and a little more memory usage) ? 

I am definitely for Chromium 

Regards,
Leszek Lesner


On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:23:47 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Many people complained about the choice of Firefox on Lubuntu. It's time
> to discuss it, to see if it's useful to change for another one. I can
> see 3 possibles choices :
> 
> == Keep Firefox ==
> + Firefox is well-known
> + Well maintained upstream and on Ubuntu
> + Many features
> - Slow on startup
> - Memory usage
> ? Rendering seems slower
> 
> == Switch to Midori ==
> + Small and fast
> + Memory usage
> - Upstream active but with limited developers compared to the 2 others.
> - Features limited
> 
> == Switch to Chromium ==
> + Similar to Chrome, which begin to be well-known
> + Good interface for small screen
> + Upstream active, supported by Google
> +- Firefox have still more possibility and features than Chromium
> ? Maybe be maintained by Mobile Team
> ? Private data send ?
> 
> 
> This is a quick benchmark I made, to have a quick view of performance
> for those 3 browsers. 
> 
> Startup : time to startup
> Memory 1 : Memory with google.com, wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu and gmail.com
> connected.
> Memory 2 : Same that 1 + 5 ubuntu.com pages
> Memory 3 : Closing all the pages except google.com
> 
> . .   Firefox .Midori .   Chromium
> Startup   3.4s1.8s1.5s
> 
> Memory using Xfce task manager
> 
> . .   Firefox .   Midori .Chromium
> Memory 1  70Mo33Mo28Mo
> Memory 2  83Mo78Mo33Mo
> Memory 3  58Mo45Mo32Mo
> 
> Memory using about:memory of Chromium
> 
> . .   Firefox .   Midori .Chromium
> Memory 1  70Mo21Mo18Mo
> Memory 2  91Mo72Mo18Mo
> Memory 3  50Mo38Mo18Mo
> 
> 
> == Others choice ==
> * Opera: Closed source.
> * Aurora: I can't see any advantage over Midori, with QT depends.
> * Epiphany: Too much GNOME depends.
> 
> For now, I'm more for the Chromium option. Midori is nice, but I don't
> think we will have enough time to test and maintain it correctly.
> 
> I'm interesting to have user experience with those browser on low
> ressources computers. If you are running Lucid, you can install them
> from official repository, and play with them :)
> 
> Regards,
> Juline Lavergne
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

I tested Chromium on a eeePC 701 (633 MHz Intel Celeron, 512 MB RAM) . It is 
running very well. 

Regards,
Leszek Lesner

On Sat, 30 Jan 2010 20:01:41 -0500
John Collier  wrote:

> Since memory may be an issue on certain machines, I'd suggest maybe Dillo, 
> but due to the lack of support for multiple things (i.e scripts) I won't.
> 
> Has anyone tested Chromium on such a machine yet to see how well it runs?
> 
> John.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Where do Bugs need reporting to?

[Leszek Lesner]

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:18:53 +0100
Sylkis  wrote:

> If you put firefox in it, people will see lubuntu as not that fast
> distro - they won't differ if it's a bloated app or the system that
> runs poorply. and lubuntu's aim are slower computers, right? I just
> don't understand why even put firefox on the list of considered
> brosers, not mentioning putting it in the distro...
> 
> how about epiphany?
> 

Gnome dependencies
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine

[Leszek Lesner]

Have you considered using and not using swap space ? 
I think the differences between midori and chromium are big. 
In chromium each tab is a single process so when you have one tab crashing the 
browser still runs. 
This is a fantastic feature especially for browser plugins (like flash) who 
crash a lot. 
Midori might use less memory but it doesn't provide this feature. 

On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:42:06 -
Steve  wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 09:08:36 -, Mikhail Maksimov   
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Steve   
> wrote:
> While I wait for my old machine to reload Lubuntu. I tried on a 2.4Mhz P4
> with 1GB 133Mhz RAM and got the following for Midori
> 
> 71MB used after boot with Xfce Taskmanager running
> 
> 84MB used with Midori launched in 7 seconds
> 
> 106MB with the three web pages loaded.
> 
> Amazing. Once again, what's the sequence? Install Lubuntu alpha2
> preview2, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade; sudo apt-get
> install midori, then reboot, start & measure - is this correct?
> 
> Yup, although I do an apt-get dist-upgrade rather than apt-get upgrade.
> 
> Am I correct in thinking, you get the memory figure from the tool-tip by  
> hovering over the Memory usage bar.
> 
> I did some more tests on the 128MB machine, a painful experience.
> I couldn’t get Arora to start for some reason so it wasn’t tested.
> Both chromium and FF 3.6 took over 20 mins. to do the 'expand all', with  
> FF popping up an awful lot of 'Unresponsive Scripts' messages. All these  
> tests were carried out three times.
> 
> Memory used after boot with Xfce Task Manager running  67MB of 118MB
> 
> Usage after launching the browser
> 
> Midori 84MB23 sec. start time
> Chromium   77MB16 sec. start time
> FF 3.6 74MB46 sec. start time
> This time is correct, forty six seconds.
> 
> 
> Usage after launching the three web sites
> 
> Midori 90MB   
> Chromium   89MB
> FF 3.6 96MB
> 
> My initial conclusion are very simple Chromium and FF are unusable in  
> 128MB of RAM with more than a couple of tabs open.
> I shall do a few more tests later on different machines and also try gmail  
> in basic HTML.  I’ll also note the VM size for the apps as well.
> 
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu thoughts

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

As I now have some time off. I thought about some of the concepts of Lubuntu 
Lucid. 
One that keeps bothering me somehow (as a programmer) is that we only included 
tools that are already avaiable for all the other distributions and aren't very 
Lubuntu specific. 
I don't know if its the policy here to create just another LXDE distribution or 
if we intend to create a fantastic distribution. (hmm... maybe a 'User Needs' 
page would be nice to have in the wiki, with goals we want to achieve or going 
to work on) 
IMHO we need custom optimized Lubuntu tools to make Lubuntu as near as perfect 
as we can. 

Another topic:
As I am a student and I had the chance to take a testdrive on a brandnew 
eyetracking system I tested some (short had only 30 min time to test) visual 
concepts of the LXDE / Lubuntu Desktop(Alpha 2, Preview 2) and figured out the 
following.
First of all functionality: 
1. Test:  "Change your background" 
Result: The student (obviously had experience with windows) right clicked the 
desktop and found the desktop settings item and clicked on it. A new preference 
window appeared telling him something about Interfaces. He was confused and 
thought he made something wrong and closed the window. 
Now he started searching in the menu and immediately found the Preferences 
submenu. He clicked on Appearance. 
The Appearence Preference Panel opened up. He stared a few seconds on it and 
searched a tab or way how he can change the wallpaper. After 3 minutes he gave 
up. I gave him the notice to try looking at the first tool he opened up a 
little bit more. He closed the app -> right click on the desktop -> Desktop 
Settings. 
Then after a few seconds of searching (eyetracking showed the 'scanning of the 
GUI' and focusing on the tab bar) he found the desktop tab and a few seconds 
later he was able to set a new wallpaper. 

2. Test: "Insert a USB Stick (Pendrive) and open up a mp3 file"
Result: The student inserted the usb stick and was waiting and staring on the 
desktop. After about 40 seconds (noting happened) he looked at the usb stick if 
the led was on and its running. Then he started to look in the menu under 
"System Tools". He didn't find what he was searching for. He moved up to the 
Accessories submenu and didn't find what he was looking for either. Then he 
started searching in the other submenus(one by one). He closed the menu. I gave 
him the advice to try opening up the filemanager. He went to the menu and did 
go to the System Tools submenu. He clicked on the PCManFM Filemanager link. 
(Took him a few seconds though to realize that PCManFM was the filemanager). 
The filemanager window opened up. 
He scanned the filemanager window (as he opened it for the first time). After a 
few seconds he found the left bookmarkspane and clicked (doubleclicked) the usb 
stick which had a common label ("USB_STICK"). He doubleclicked the mp3 file and 
smplayer opened up and played back the mp3 file. 

Students-Feedback: (shortened) 
- confused finding the background changer 
- right click -> desktop settings should open up the Desktop Tab in the 
preferences window
- the preferences are not clearly structured 
- usb sticks should be opened automatically or at least the system needs to 
give me(the user) a feedback if the stick was recognized or not
- Its confusing and annoying that you need to go to a submenu and open up the 
filemanager to access the usb drive. (After I explained him, that its also 
possible to simply doubleclick the my documents folder icon on the desktop -> ) 
Its not obvious enough. 
- The design looks like 1990. The black taskbar is ugly. The menu icon (LXDE 
Menu) looks ugly.
- But the system feels snappy (I am not quite sure either Pentium 4 or Celeron, 
2 Ghz, 512 MB RAM) 

The main question I asked at the end of the short interview and testing was: 
"Would you consider using this system on your PC or netbook". 
The answer: "On the PC rather not. I would perhaps test it on my netbook 
besides my already preconfigured OS"

So all in all a very interesting testdrive I guess.
The student is studying informatics just like me. 

IMHO we still have something to do to make the desktop user friendly. First 
changing the few simple bugs, like right click menu on the desktop and desktop 
settings are linking to the wrong tab in the pcmanfm preferences. 
The harder "to fix" problems are the preferences and the usb stick. 
I have a few suggestions: 
First the preferences. I created a tool (originally for ZevenOS) that acts like 
a control center for preferences. I could change some of the code to fit to the 
lxde/lubuntu desktop if you want to(If I can, I still don't know if it needs to 
be uploaded to the ubuntu repo, and if I can make it in the freeze time). 
Here is a screenshot: http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/42436/magi_SApftg.png
I think its good to have a centralised preference app for those people who are 
searching for a setting.
Ok now to the "USB Problem". There are two po

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu thoughts

[Leszek Lesner]

I think that the black background of the LXPanel is not quite perfect. 
The panel itself is very robust and good. 
2 Panel mode would be good for large screens and displays but not netbooks I 
guess. 
I tested Lubuntu on a eeePC 701 (like Julien) and its better to have really 
only one of them.

I also like dark colors but not to dark. When playing with a netbook and 
turning display brightness down you still need to get a chance to read the menu 
items. 
See the panels from here to get a inside of my opinion (and perhaps the opinion 
of my testing student) :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/NewWave


On Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:39:49 +0100
Sylkis  wrote:

> 2010/2/13 Leszek Lesner :
> > Hi,
> >
> > As I now have some time off. I thought about some of the concepts of 
> > Lubuntu Lucid.
> > One that keeps bothering me somehow (as a programmer) is that we only 
> > included tools that are already avaiable for all the other distributions 
> > and aren't very Lubuntu specific.
> > I don't know if its the policy here to create just another LXDE 
> > distribution or if we intend to create a fantastic distribution. (hmm... 
> > maybe a 'User Needs' page would be nice to have in the wiki, with goals we 
> > want to achieve or going to work on)
> > IMHO we need custom optimized Lubuntu tools to make Lubuntu as near as 
> > perfect as we can.
> >
> > Another topic:
> > As I am a student and I had the chance to take a testdrive on a brandnew 
> > eyetracking system I tested some (short had only 30 min time to test) 
> > visual concepts of the LXDE / Lubuntu Desktop(Alpha 2, Preview 2) and 
> > figured out the following.
> > First of all functionality:
> > 1. Test:  "Change your background"
> > Result: The student (obviously had experience with windows) right clicked 
> > the desktop and found the desktop settings item and clicked on it. A new 
> > preference window appeared telling him something about Interfaces. He was 
> > confused and thought he made something wrong and closed the window.
> > Now he started searching in the menu and immediately found the Preferences 
> > submenu. He clicked on Appearance.
> > The Appearence Preference Panel opened up. He stared a few seconds on it 
> > and searched a tab or way how he can change the wallpaper. After 3 minutes 
> > he gave up. I gave him the notice to try looking at the first tool he 
> > opened up a little bit more. He closed the app -> right click on the 
> > desktop -> Desktop Settings.
> > Then after a few seconds of searching (eyetracking showed the 'scanning of 
> > the GUI' and focusing on the tab bar) he found the desktop tab and a few 
> > seconds later he was able to set a new wallpaper.
> >
> > 2. Test: "Insert a USB Stick (Pendrive) and open up a mp3 file"
> > Result: The student inserted the usb stick and was waiting and staring on 
> > the desktop. After about 40 seconds (noting happened) he looked at the usb 
> > stick if the led was on and its running. Then he started to look in the 
> > menu under "System Tools". He didn't find what he was searching for. He 
> > moved up to the Accessories submenu and didn't find what he was looking for 
> > either. Then he started searching in the other submenus(one by one). He 
> > closed the menu. I gave him the advice to try opening up the filemanager. 
> > He went to the menu and did go to the System Tools submenu. He clicked on 
> > the PCManFM Filemanager link. (Took him a few seconds though to realize 
> > that PCManFM was the filemanager). The filemanager window opened up.
> > He scanned the filemanager window (as he opened it for the first time). 
> > After a few seconds he found the left bookmarkspane and clicked 
> > (doubleclicked) the usb stick which had a common label ("USB_STICK"). He 
> > doubleclicked the mp3 file and smplayer opened up and played back the mp3 
> > file.
> >
> > Students-Feedback: (shortened)
> > - confused finding the background changer
> > - right click -> desktop settings should open up the Desktop Tab in the 
> > preferences window
> > - the preferences are not clearly structured
> > - usb sticks should be opened automatically or at least the system needs to 
> > give me(the user) a feedback if the stick was recognized or not
> > - Its confusing and annoying that you need to go to a submenu and open up 
> > the filemanager to access the usb drive. (After I explained him, that its 
> > also possible to simply doubleclick the my documents folder icon on the 
> > desktop -> ) Its not o

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu thoughts

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Samstag, 13. Februar 2010 13:23:01 schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Hi,
> 
> Le samedi 13 février 2010 à 12:04 +0100, Leszek Lesner a écrit :
> > Hi,
> > 
> > As I now have some time off. I thought about some of the concepts of
> > Lubuntu Lucid.
> > One that keeps bothering me somehow (as a programmer) is that we only
> > included tools that are already avaiable for all the other
> > distributions and aren't very Lubuntu specific.
> > I don't know if its the policy here to create just another LXDE
> > distribution or if we intend to create a fantastic distribution.
> > (hmm... maybe a 'User Needs' page would be nice to have in the wiki,
> > with goals we want to achieve or going to work on)
> > IMHO we need custom optimized Lubuntu tools to make Lubuntu as near as
> > perfect as we can.
> 
> We already included all lxde components (except lxmusic). This
> environnement is not as complete as a GNOME or a KDE environnement, so
> we need to complete it with programs more standard.
> Making optimization for Lubuntu is ok, but it needs time to code them :)
> 
> > Another topic:
> > As I am a student and I had the chance to take a testdrive on a
> > brandnew eyetracking system I tested some (short had only 30 min time
> > to test) visual concepts of the LXDE / Lubuntu Desktop(Alpha 2,
> > Preview 2) and figured out the following.
> > First of all functionality:
> > 1. Test:  "Change your background"
> > Result: The student (obviously had experience with windows) right
> > clicked the desktop and found the desktop settings item and clicked on
> > it. A new preference window appeared telling him something about
> > Interfaces. He was confused and thought he made something wrong and
> > closed the window.
> > Now he started searching in the menu and immediately found the
> > Preferences submenu. He clicked on Appearance.
> > The Appearence Preference Panel opened up. He stared a few seconds on
> > it and searched a tab or way how he can change the wallpaper. After 3
> > minutes he gave up. I gave him the notice to try looking at the first
> > tool he opened up a little bit more. He closed the app -> right click
> > on the desktop -> Desktop Settings.
> > Then after a few seconds of searching (eyetracking showed the
> > 'scanning of the GUI' and focusing on the tab bar) he found the
> > desktop tab and a few seconds later he was able to set a new
> > wallpaper.
> 
> I think this will be solve with pcmanfm2. It includes a separate GUI for
> the desktop, so it will be easy to affect it to a menu item of right
> click on the desktop.
> 
> > 2. Test: "Insert a USB Stick (Pendrive) and open up a mp3 file"
> > Result: The student inserted the usb stick and was waiting and staring
> > on the desktop. After about 40 seconds (noting happened) he looked at
> > the usb stick if the led was on and its running. Then he started to
> > look in the menu under "System Tools". He didn't find what he was
> > searching for. He moved up to the Accessories submenu and didn't find
> > what he was looking for either. Then he started searching in the other
> > submenus(one by one). He closed the menu. I gave him the advice to try
> > opening up the filemanager. He went to the menu and did go to the
> > System Tools submenu. He clicked on the PCManFM Filemanager link.
> > (Took him a few seconds though to realize that PCManFM was the
> > filemanager). The filemanager window opened up.
> > He scanned the filemanager window (as he opened it for the first
> > time). After a few seconds he found the left bookmarkspane and clicked
> > (doubleclicked) the usb stick which had a common label ("USB_STICK").
> > He doubleclicked the mp3 file and smplayer opened up and played back
> > the mp3 file.
> 
> Automounting is still problematic, many piece of software need to play
> nicely together to have this working. I hope that with the pcmanfm2 +
> gvfs, this will be easier.
> 
> > Students-Feedback: (shortened)
> > - confused finding the background changer
> > - right click -> desktop settings should open up the Desktop Tab in
> > the preferences window
> > - the preferences are not clearly structured
> > - usb sticks should be opened automatically or at least the system
> > needs to give me(the user) a feedback if the stick was recognized or
> > not
> > - Its confusing and annoying that you need to go to a submenu and open
> > up the filemanager to access the usb drive. (After I explained him,
> > that its also possible to 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Last changes to applications installed by default

[Leszek Lesner]

On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 16:42:43 +
Lee Briggs  wrote:

> I know you're saying gnome-mplayer is finalised, but for future reference it
> might be worth looking at parole from the xfce goodies package. Its actually
> lighter than gnome-mplayer and has a brilliant UI
> 
> http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/applications/parole

How can it be lighter when its based on gstreamer ? 
It is basically a clone of totem for xfce. 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

[Leszek Lesner]

On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 12:18:05 +
Glen Bizeau  wrote:

> Did a quick download and run in a VBOX this AM.
> 
> Te first thing I noticed is the same stratup bar as fedora??? Whats
> with that? you know what everyone will say!

It is simply plymouth (yeah Fedora invented it and Ubuntu is now using it too). 
Seeing only the blue bar is a indicator that your graphicscard is not supported 
well enough.
In the final version nvidia (thx to nouveau) ati (open ati driver) and intel 
will show a nice splash screen. 


> 
> Other than that, I like it, running it in a VBOX with 384 RAM,
> everything seems snappy. Will do further testing and post any bugs I
> find later.
> 
> Thanks Julien.
> 
> Glen
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just created a new testing ISO. This is not an Alpha, but just a
> > snapshot of the current work to be able to test more the new features.
> > Like others Alpha, you should be aware that it's not considered stable,
> > see warnings for Lucid Alpha :
> >
> > "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> > system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> > frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> > and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
> >
> > Changes seen the Alpha 2 :
> > * Main changes in the seed :
> >  - chromium for the browser
> >  - gnome-mplayer for the videos
> >  - network-manager for the network
> > * New artwork made by Rafael Laguna. It's not the final theme, but it's
> > quite complete, so we can test with a non standard artwork. And I like
> > it :)
> > * A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
> > to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
> > login "ubuntu" without password.
> >
> > Known bugs:
> > * pcmanfm2 is not the default filemanager yet, it need more integration
> > to be usable. It is still available by using "pcmanfm2"
> > * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> > you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
> > * Bug reported during testing :
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
> >
> > Download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-20100215.iso
> >
> > Regards,
> > Julien Lavergne
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Feedback new testing ISO 20100215

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

this version looks very promising. Nm-applet is working fine. The LXDesign 
Theme is really a very cool clearlooks theme. Very good work !
Chromium is running its first run wizard if clicked. Perhaps we should ship a 
preconfigured version with bookmarks and set it as default browser (its telling 
me that it isn't yet). 
Hmm... acpi=off in the livecd boot parameters ? I guess a temporary fix due to 
hal removal isn't it ?
The next thing I noticed. There is currently no visible gnome-power-manager 
icon in the systray of the panel (as it is started automatically but I don't 
see any icon but can click on it I guess it is a panel problem). Next thing 
gpicview should it be in the panel menu under graphics ? (somehow the graphics 
submenu seems strange containing only 1 app) 
My XFMultimedia Keys for Volume up/down mute is not working (eeePC 701). 
xfce4-volumed should fix this or setting the keys in the openbox config and 
creating a script that does volume up/down and mute (if you don't want to have 
the fency notify-osd) 

The last thing that we might include (only a suggestion) is a tweaked 
/etc/sysctl.conf for Netbooks:
# Delay real write to disk
vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs=1500

is crucial for this. Making the system visually faster. 

Here a suggestion (also for all testers) set the panel size to 24 and the icon 
size to 22. This way the panel here (on eeePC 701) looks much better. 

Overall well made promising future with pcmanfm2 I hope ;) 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,
As I mentioned in my previous posting 
>Here a suggestion (also for all testers) set the panel size to 24 and the icon 
>size to 22. This way the panel here (on eeePC 701) looks much better. 
This will also fix the Networkicon 



On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:56:20 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le lundi 15 février 2010 à 12:20 +, Glen Bizeau a écrit :
> > One more thing...
> > 
> > The connected ICON for Network Manager is two arrows, one up the other
> > down, which persdonally to me does not indicate a network connection.
> > Can we change this back to the default one of two computers? it
> > doesn't even look like a network manager this way, or at least even
> > the ubuntu one where it looks like two sockets plugged in...
> 
> You should file a bug against elementary icons
> (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/elementaryicons), maybe they have a
> good reason to do it that way.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne  
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine

[Leszek Lesner]

Chromium will use the global proxy settings. Hmm... we need a tool for this 
purpose :)

On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:35:27 +0300
Yaroslav  wrote:

> Hello everyone
> 
> I'm testing fresh installation of Lubuntu from last ISO. I found, that 
> Chromium does not support any proxy settings. This is serious failure for 
> default OS browser, as for me.
> 
> -
> Yaroslav.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve 
> To: Lubuntu 
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 18:54:25 -
> Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Browsers comparison on slow machine
> 
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:51:21 -, Mikhail Maksimov   
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > I'm out of the game for some time, sorry.
> > >
> > > My Lubuntu installation crashed and does not start anymore, and I
> > > don't have several hours to do a complete reinstall, it is painfully
> > > slow on such machine. I hope, however, I'll be able to do some testing
> > > on a virtual machine next week. It will definitely be faster than
> > > ages-old Celeron, so no "responsiveness" observations possible, but I
> > > still can see the memory usage numbers.
> > >
> > > And yes, the memory usage numbers are reported while hovering over the
> > > memory bar in taskmanager.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Mikhail
> > >
> > No problem.
> > My test rig has been playing up, turned out to be the HDD ribbon cable.  
> > Over 4 hours to install with only 128MB RAM, though I'm amazed the live CD  
> > runs at all.
> > Going to wait for the next ISO before doing any more testing.  I'm going  
> > through my collection of old parts to see if I can't get a few machines up  
> > and running for comparisons.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
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> > 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PCManFM/libfm calls for heavy testing

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

I tested the latest version. Whats still missing (even though it is in the 
source code) is Shortcut(Hotkey) support on the desktop. 
In the filemanager the delete key is not working. I made a quick patch 
(hopefully that works :P) [see attachment]
Btw. shift delete should delete a file directly without moving to trash. 





On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:11:41 +0800
PCMan  wrote:

> Hi everyone on the list.
> As you know, it's very close to the release of Lubuntu, and pcmanfm2
> doesn't seem to be ready yet.
> Recently I've accelerated the developement and there are many things
> done and do my best to see if I can make it in time.
> 
> What's lacking now:
> 1. thumbnail support: I need more time to make it good. I should not
> only be usable, but it should be good. So, I want to do this
> carefully. If time is not sufficient, I'll release it without
> thumbnail.
> 2. desktop icons are not movable now.
> 3. Some final UI polishing
> 4. Special popup menus for special items (such as items in computer:///)
> 5. applications:/// not fully working. (browsing installed apps is ok,
> but it;s not yet functional)
> 6. ??
> 
> However most of the other planned features are complete or at least working 
> now.
> It's time to make its quality better. Please get it heavily tested and
> I need more debug info.
> Try to compile pcmanfm2/libfm with debug info, and run it with gdb.
> The most easy way is executing ./configure with environment varialbe
> set like this: CFLAGS="-O0 -g".
> This will enable debug info and turn off optimizations. Then, run
> "make install" instead of "make install-strip". This can retain debug
> info.
> Then, run gdb pcmanfm2, and type run in it.
> When you get crash, go to console and type 'bt' in gdb to get
> backtrace and send it to me.
> Backtrace is quite useful for debugging, but you need to have debug
> info in the executable files.
> In addition, if you also installed debug packages for gtk/glib, this
> can make the backtrace in gdb even more readable and this greatly
> helps.
> Please help the debugging and polishing. If you know how to program,
> developers are wanted.
> I already did the most difficult parts. What's left was some UI
> polishing. At least you can help eliminate compiler warnings.
> Help is needed! With aid, I think we can make it for Lubuntun in time.
> 
> Cheers!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PCManFM/libfm calls for heavy testing

[Leszek Lesner]

here the missing attachment :P

On Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:11:41 +0800
PCMan  wrote:

> Hi everyone on the list.
> As you know, it's very close to the release of Lubuntu, and pcmanfm2
> doesn't seem to be ready yet.
> Recently I've accelerated the developement and there are many things
> done and do my best to see if I can make it in time.
> 
> What's lacking now:
> 1. thumbnail support: I need more time to make it good. I should not
> only be usable, but it should be good. So, I want to do this
> carefully. If time is not sufficient, I'll release it without
> thumbnail.
> 2. desktop icons are not movable now.
> 3. Some final UI polishing
> 4. Special popup menus for special items (such as items in computer:///)
> 5. applications:/// not fully working. (browsing installed apps is ok,
> but it;s not yet functional)
> 6. ??
> 
> However most of the other planned features are complete or at least working 
> now.
> It's time to make its quality better. Please get it heavily tested and
> I need more debug info.
> Try to compile pcmanfm2/libfm with debug info, and run it with gdb.
> The most easy way is executing ./configure with environment varialbe
> set like this: CFLAGS="-O0 -g".
> This will enable debug info and turn off optimizations. Then, run
> "make install" instead of "make install-strip". This can retain debug
> info.
> Then, run gdb pcmanfm2, and type run in it.
> When you get crash, go to console and type 'bt' in gdb to get
> backtrace and send it to me.
> Backtrace is quite useful for debugging, but you need to have debug
> info in the executable files.
> In addition, if you also installed debug packages for gtk/glib, this
> can make the backtrace in gdb even more readable and this greatly
> helps.
> Please help the debugging and polishing. If you know how to program,
> developers are wanted.
> I already did the most difficult parts. What's left was some UI
> polishing. At least you can help eliminate compiler warnings.
> Help is needed! With aid, I think we can make it for Lubuntun in time.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
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diff --git a/src/main-win-ui.c b/src/main-win-ui.c
index cf8129f..c6b5b96 100644
--- a/src/main-win-ui.c
+++ b/src/main-win-ui.c
@@ -119,7 +119,7 @@ static GtkActionEntry main_win_actions[]=
 {"Cut", GTK_STOCK_CUT, NULL, NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_cut)},
 {"Copy", GTK_STOCK_COPY, NULL, NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_copy)},
 {"Paste", GTK_STOCK_PASTE, NULL, NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_paste)},
-{"Del", GTK_STOCK_DELETE, NULL, NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_del)},
+{"Del", GTK_STOCK_DELETE, NULL, "Delete", NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_del)},
 {"Rename", NULL, N_("Rename"), "F2", NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_rename)},
 {"Link", NULL, N_("Create Symlink"), NULL, NULL, NULL},
 {"MoveTo", NULL, N_("Move To..."), NULL, NULL, G_CALLBACK(on_move_to)},
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

[Leszek Lesner]

My favorite color is blue. 

+1 blue 

IMHO green looks like mildew.
But I totally agree we need to take the theme that is complete and gets the 
most votes. For this purpose I will definitely upgrade my NewWave Theme for 
Lubuntu in the next couple of days (most work will be done on weekend I guess) 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/NewWave

So that we will have a choice ;) 


On Thu, 18 Feb 2010 09:16:38 +
Jonay Santana  wrote:

> +1 for green. Light green, better.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] ProxyGUI for Lubuntu first testversion (lxproxy 0.1)

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi ,

I made a first "dirty" testversion of a little proxy configuration GUI for 
Lubuntu. 
If someone wants to test it: http://zevenos.com/files/lxproxy_0.1ubuntu1_all.deb
As I don't use a proxy I cant really test it.
I followed those rules in getting proxy running: 
http://paste.ubuntuusers.de/397723/
I don't know if the password is necessary anytime. For now it is necessary (at 
least for the gui to work).

have fun ;)


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New testing ISO 20100215

[Leszek Lesner]

On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 01:33:32 +
Lee Briggs  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've had a quick test and I'd say there was a few things missing.
> 
> There is no mouse cursor theme at the moment, can I recommennd
> dmz-cursor-theme from the repos.
> 
Good idea +1

> Also, creating a config file for Chromium in the skel directory might be
> useful.
> 
Already known
> Also, might be just a problem for me, but the battery indicator didn't show
> up  - I'm guessing the icon is missing from the theme. The power manager is
> running, but there was no icon.
> 
Already known (see the postings and feedback to this topic)
> Is there any plan to include two panels as opposed to the one, sticking with
> the Ubuntu/Xubuntu norm?
> 
I think it was decided not to change. 2 Panels is too much for a netbook or 
small device screen. 

> Also, I'm aware you installed pidgin, but was any consideration ever given
> to ayttm? Its multi-protocol, super lightweight and pretty darn good.
> 
Nice app. You can propose ayttm if its in the repos. 

> Will notify-osd be included or are you sticking with notification-daemon?
> 
I think there will be no notify-osd. (So I guess we will stick to 
notification-daemon) 
> I think thats all for now, if I think of anything else I'll send it in,
> overall its an excellent release

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

here are some bugs I noticed(from the LiveCD so far):

- Boot Screen of the LiveCD is not fully localized (the first two entries Try 
Lubuntu and Install Lubuntu) (misses on the Bug Repot Testing Page) 
- Borderless windows (like the small mixer window that appears after clicking 
the soundpanel applet) have borders (that allows them to even close the 
soundpanel applet and it won't open up again) 
- clicking on the trash icon in pcmanfm2 gives an error message ("operation 
not supported") (moved files won't show up)
- pcmanfm2 after open folder as root : it opens up but is missing the warning 
that you are working with root rights now
- applications:/// is not working (I know it is still work in progress)
- Are the PATHs alright ? Trying to run arp -a as user gives me an error that 
it is in /usr/sbin and /usr/sbin is not in path. (It wasn't there before in 
ubuntu. Did they change/fixed there security policy ?)
- pcmanfm2 misses translation (I know is still coming but I don't want to not 
mention it so that we don't forget about this)
- same for gnumeric
- pcmanfm2 desktop creating new document or folder does not work
- pcmanfm2 still misses to lighten up font color and icon if you choose to cut 
out a file (only a optical glitch)
-pcmanfm2 sorting files and folders(particullary ascending and descending) 
does not work in every view or sometimes simply does nothing (seems not 
reproducable but happens unoccasionaly)
- pcmanfm2: A problem I have with detailed list view is that I cannot access 
easily the properties of the current open folder. If you have a folder with 
lots of files you are not able to rightclick on a free space. The only 
solution press go up and right click the folder you where in to get to the 
properties. Possible solution: Create a folder icon in front of the adressbar 
and make it useable like a normal icon folder (drag n drop, right click etc.)


These are the bugs I noticed so far in a quick 15 minute test. 
 
One big feature request for pcmanfm2 (future releases not crucial to this 
lubuntu release):
Add a right click submenu that opens up the folder content when hovering. This 
is a very nice feature that was originally integrated in BeOS and would make 
working on desktop and in folders amazingly fast. 
Here a screenshot: 
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1086/675582246_2a1dd83e92.jpg

Regards,
Leszek Lesner




Am Freitag, 26. Februar 2010 01:25:10 schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Hi,
> 
> The Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 is now available. Don't forget that it's build
> with Ubuntu Lucid (10.04) which is still in Alpha state of development,
> so same warnings :
> 
> "Pre-releases of Lucid are *not* encouraged for anyone needing a stable
> system or anyone who is not comfortable running into occasional, even
> frequent breakage.  They are, however, recommended for Ubuntu developers
> and those who want to help in testing, reporting, and fixing bugs."
> 
> We passed Feature Freeze, that mean most of the features should now be
> available. It's now time for testing and fixing bugs.
> 
> New features since Alpha 2 :
> * Main changes in the seed :
>  - chromium for the browser
>  - gnome-mplayer for the videos
>  - network-manager for the network
> 
> * pcmanfm2, the rewrite of the file-manager, is now used by default.
> 
> * New artwork made by Rafael Laguna.
> 
> * A new session (Lubuntu-Netbook), which launched lxlauncher. You need
> to logout, select Lubuntu-Netbook session instead of Lubuntu, and enter
> login "ubuntu" without password.
> 
> Known bugs:
> * If you test on a USB, the first screen will freeze for a moment when
> you click on "Try Lubuntu ...". Just wait, it will continue as normal.
> 
> * Bug reported during testing :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam
> 
> * Specific pages for pcmanfm2 bugs :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam/pcmanfm2Testing
> 
> If you want to create a bootable usb system, please use the usb creator
> directly on Ubuntu.
> 
> Please follow the testing process described on this page :
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/SubTeams/TestingSubTeam . You can also
> report problems and bugs relative to the tests on this page.
> 
> Download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-lucid-alpha3.iso
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

Phill Whiteside schrieb:

Much better :-)

Just been having a general play (importing accounts to pidgin and 
chromium etc).


I did notice that x-chat is there as an IRC agent. When I was running 
it with 10.04 Ubuntu, I found it quite greedy for processor time (3 
seconds / 10 seconds) - My laptop fan was running quite a lot.


Since changing to pidgin for IRC, I have a much quieter computer (and 
an un-burned lap)


As pidgin is going to be shipped, is x-chat required ? I'm just 
wondering what affect it was Vs pidgin on lower spec processors.
Pidgin is IMHO no real IRC client and misses a lot of features and 
behaviors in this regard.


I know that disk mounting was mentioned, but does / is lubuntu going 
to have the equivalent of "Places" to provide a GUI for mounting 
partitions, it is quite conceivable for a low specification computer 
to be dual booting.
As I saw it in the pcmanfm2 code it is planned to have a desktop icon 
for each mounted devices (perhaps even unmounted devices, if you want to 
mount them) + Drives and partitions will appear in the bookmarkspanel on 
the left.


Apart from that, absolutely fantastic !!!

Regards,

Phill.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu One (Music Store)

[Leszek Lesner]

Music Store should be no problem as it will be integrated in rhythmbox and 
banshee (so installing one of them would grant you access to the music store)

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 11:02:38 -
Steve  wrote:

> Any one tried Ubuntu One  with Lubuntu?
> 
> I have had it working but it’s behaviour is a bit erratic.  I’m sure it  
> will be asked about, in connection with the music store, once Lubuntu is  
> released.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Steve
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Lucid Alpha 3 "Shiny"

[Leszek Lesner]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:41:01 +0100
Zoltan Matlak  wrote:

> I faced most of the problems the others reported earlier. Other than those,
>  I noticed the following:
> 
> 1. no flash plugin (earlier gnash used to be installed). Running "apt-get
> install flashplugin-installer" solved it.
gnash caused problems and had to be removed.

> 
> 2. no applets with chrome(ium) and icedtea. I use online banking and this is
> a MAJOR issue for me. Solution is to either download & install sun's java or
> install Firefox to be able to run applets.
yeah we need to look into this
> 
> 3. In networkmanager VPN is inactive, can not "Add". I installed "apt-get
> install network-manager-vpnc vpnc resolvconf rdesktop". After this,  I was
> able to use VPN  from command line, but in networkmanager it remained
> disabled. Do I need to install any other package?
hmm... strange
> 
> 4. pcmanfm2 now seem less complete than in pre-alpha3 (the test image from a
> week ago). Earlier in pcmanfm2 I was able to use applications:///
> and trash:///. What happened, is this an older build? Just curious.
Its a newer version. Still needs some bugfixing. (Therefore Lubuntu is called 
alpha ;) ) 

> 
> 5. printing does not work for me (it worked before alpha3). Installed my
> printer, it was recognized, added it, but nothing comes out (not even the
> test page). Weird. In "manage print jobs" document print status shows
> Completed. Any idea? Thanks
> 
> 
> Other than that it's "shiny" :)
> 
> Thanks
>  Zoltan

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Screencasts

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

what about small short screencast tutorials about lubuntu ? 
e.g. 
-Showing the installation process
-Basic Desktop
-Basic Filemanagement
-...

What do you think about this idea ? Maybe (if we have enough space left) we can 
also pack some of this videos directly onto the livecd ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Screencasts

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

here are 3 little test videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAS1kJ2adiU   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V5zlhq8-l4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNckuRGu8yY

Have fun ;)

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:34:09 +0100
Jo Gerb  wrote:

> 
> Am 01.03.2010 um 18:42 schrieb Sylkis :
> 
> > maybe a promt that automatically launches after loading live session,
> > saying that this is a live session :), what are the consequences of
> > that (efficiency worse than on regular install, loss of settings each
> > boot, etc - but being able to look around the system without any
> > changes on computer) and that the tutorial and installation process
> > may be launched by clicking the specific icon placed on desktop?
> >
> >
> 
> That would Be okay and useful. We should add that.
> > 2010/3/1 Steve :
> >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:44:15 -, Leszek Lesner  >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> what about small short screen-cast tutorials about lubuntu ?
> >>> e.g.
> >>>-Showing the installation process
> >>>-Basic Desktop
> >>>-Basic File management
> >>>-...
> >>>
> >>> What do you think about this idea ? Maybe (if we have enough space  
> >>> left)
> >>> we can also pack some of this videos directly onto the livecd ?
> >>>
> >> I think that might not be a bad idea, as long as they are kept
> >> short-and-sweet.
> >> An icon on the desktop 'About Lubuntu' or something?
> >>
>   aren't there some tutorials on the ubuntu livecd? I never watched  
> them. And I think many people also don't watch them cause they first  
> want to try if they find everything without help. 10 mb more to  
> download makes a really long time with a slow Internet connection.
> But anyway, we should make these tutorials: if the others vote for  
> including them, we should include them - but I could also imagine a  
> special startpage for chromium that has a big button "new to lubuntu?"  
> and links to these tutorials, some wikis and so on. Like that,  
> everyone could decide whether to use the help. Best regards, Jo.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Post A3 Test: Encrypted home folder

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Hi,

did anyone test the Alpha 3 with encrypted home folder ?
On my virtual installation it isn't decrypting my home folder. I need to do 
this manually on a tty. 
I think it might be a bug in lxdm. 


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[Lubuntu-desktop] PCManFM 2 Trash/Files and other Bugs

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

here some bugs I noticed with the last pcmanfm2 version from ppa repo.

Creating a new empty file works but not always displays the new file right away 
(refresh is necessary).
Same goes for creating files or directories from within the terminal. They 
don't show up in pcmanfm. I need to relaunch or reload the folder for this. 
(gamin, famin support broken !? or an lxdm problem as starting pcmanfm2 from 
terminal, refresh works nicely) 
Doubeclicking (or Oneclicking) the empty file causes a crash. (Same goes for 
downloaded files/ maybe all files?) 
Crash message from Terminal: 
pcmanfm: symbol lockup error: pcmanfm: undefined symbol: 
fm_file_info_get_target 

Btw: for lubuntu-default-settings: Terminal command & Sudo command are not set. 

Another Bug I found creating a symbolic link to a folder in a new folder (e.g. 
create folder test in home and inside test a link to Music folder in home 
directory) and then copying the folder test somewhere. It will grab a copy of 
the Music folder and its contents. So that I don't have a link anymore to my 
home Music folder.
Moving the  the test folder to trash (its also a bug for all files) and then 
trying to empty trash, asks once if I am sure to empty the trash, and then 
twice if I really want to delete this file(s). After deletion there is a error 
Message: "Items in the Trash may not be modified"
DebuG output from terminal:

** (pcmanfm2:2255): DEBUG: total number of files to delete: 69587170080954
** (pcmanfm2:2255): DEBUG: file operation is finished!
** (pcmanfm2:2255): DEBUG: total number of files to delete: 4
** (pcmanfm2:2255): DEBUG: FmJob error: Items in the trash may not be modified
** (pcmanfm2:2255): DEBUG: file operation is finished!

So this are almost all bugs I found so far. All in all the gvfs seems not to 
work properly. I really don't know whats causing this problems. 

Greetings,
Leszek

 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Intersting Article

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Am Dienstag, 9. März 2010 14:50:06 schrieb Andrew Woodhead:
> I don't contest the results but can someone explain how a lighter DE uses
> less power? Is it because the CPU is used less so takes less juice?
> Nice article though. KDE is really bloated and the Kubuntu team is quite
> small.
> 
> -Andy
> 
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Glen Bizeau  wrote:
> > I especially like the little list at the bottom
> > 
> > http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/KDE-a-resource-hog-949634.html
> > 
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It is actually no difference in power consumption if you only run the desktop. 
If you look on phoronix (the original test) it said 0.2 Watts difference 
between the desktops. This is nothing. 

Last but not least I am very sceptical about this test. There is no 
processlist neither does it mention which apps they test under lxde and which 
under xfce or kde. 
Don't forget KDE uses nepomuk for search indexes. If this runs (@ 2 GB RAM you 
have plenty to use and it won't stop unless CPU is running out of ressources) 
it needs more memory.
I would advice anyone doing tests on there own. (I will do such a thing this 
week and release it on my blog)
All in all don't believe any test you didn't pay for. 
 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] _P於 lxdm _F_r

[Leszek Lesner]

On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 13:35:43 +0800
PCMan  wrote:

> Hi all developers and users,
> Earlier dgod and I discussed about the way lxdm handles $PATH
> environment variable.
> According to the suggestion from dgod, directly passing existing
> environment variables to lxdm is not a good idea and PATH should be
> restricted to /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin only.
> However, this restriction breaks many system applications in ubuntu
> and arch linux.
> Without this restriction and if global env variables from the system
> is directly used, things might go wrong in Fedora.
> So, I'd like to ask that where the values of $PATH come from in Ubuntu
> and Arch Linux and what's the better solution for this issue.
> 
> Anyone know how gdm handles this?
> 
> 2010/3/10 dgod :
> > 考虑到现代的linux都把sbin放到了默认环境变量里面，默认加入这些应该是可以的。
> > 如果考虑到使用全局预设的环境变量的需要，可以考虑加入一个新的环境变量LXDM_FORCE_PATH，如果设置了这个，那么session的环境变量可以设置成它
> > 这样不同的系统可以通过修改/usr/sbin/lxdm里的设置来调整，如export LXDM_FORCE_PATH=$PATH。
> >
> > 事实上最好能确认在ubuntu等系统中，PATH到底是怎么生成的。
> >
> > 在 2010年3月10日 下午12:23，PCMan 写道：
> >>
> >> 我是_j_...@_}有再的空_g
> >> 因_樵谄渌_ distro 默_j_o置下，有�...@部份_k不是__ /etc/profile _O置
> >> 使用 /bin:/usr/local/bin:/usb/bin __造成部分系_y程序功能失常
> >> 如果真要默_J使用 hard-coded 的路_剑_那我__建_h加入 /sbin 等等
> >> 至少__一些重要系_y元件得以正常___樱_
> >> 目前我所_y___^的，__定在 debian, ubuntu, 及 archlinux
> >> 就目前的 lxdm，都__有___}。
> >>
> >> 2010/3/10 dgod :
> >> >
> >> > 首先/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usb/bin应该是所有unix的默认路径。如果系统需要修改这个，那么应该是在login的时候，自己在shell配置文件如/etc/profile之类的设置。比如fedora就是这样的，fedora现在也把/sbin等路径放到普通用户的PATH环境变量了。
> >> > 事实上我不认为把提供给系统服务用的环境变量直接提供给普通用户，有何意义。
> >> >
> >> > 事实上原来用global的默认路径的时候，就有人在sf.net上报过相关bug，这会导致至少在fedora上设置出来的路径不合普通用户需要。
> >> >
> >> > ubuntu需要的话，或者可以修改配置文件中的PATH环境，或者单独对lxdm打个补丁。
> >> >
> >> > 在 2010年3月10日 上午3:09，PCMan 写道：
> >> >>
> >> >> 我注意到你 revert 了之前我改_^的 PATH
> >> >> 有特_e的理由_幔_
> >> >> __制使用  /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin 完全弄__ ubuntu 上的 LXDE
> >> >> 而且很多_|西因此__成_o法使用
> >> >> _S多 distro __在 PATH _e面加_|西，不用 global 的很多_|西可能___o法正常_\作
> >> >> 至少在 Ubuntu �...@已__造成很多___}...
> >> >> 在 ArchLinux 上也是一_樱_弄_牧撕芏__|西
> >> >>
> >> >> 我__是__建_h改回使用 global environment
> >> >> 如果使用者真的有需要限_s在  /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin
> >> >> 那就可以改 lxdm.conf 加入 path=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin
> >> >> _...@就是__初_o_@___O定 key 的目的
> >> >> 但是__於一般使用_碚f，使用 global env __比_^洽__
> >> >> 在很多 distro 上，有部份桌面__件是依...@__行_椴拍苷_常_\行的
> >> >> 我_y___^的包括 Debian, Ubuntu, ArchLinux，全部都需要 global
> >> >> 用你改_^的_S多__件都失效了，包括 policykit 在_��...@很_乐_
> >> >> _...@造成其他 distro 上_S多系_y__件都_牧耍_也有用_艋__筮^_状_
> >> >> 在 fedora _...@_佣疾___有___}_幔_
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >

Shouldn't a PATH= entry in /etc/profile solve this issue ? We could also make 
it Lubuntu specific by putting it in /etc/skel/.profile 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Location of Window control buttons

[Leszek Lesner]

On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 10:10:58 +0800
PCMan  wrote:

> My personal opinion: No, and never!
> This is the worst move of ubuntu.
> Having ok/cancel buttons in opposite direction is bad enough already.
> For whatever reason, deliberately being different from 95% of
> worldwide computer users is quite unwise.
It wouldn't be so bad if they sticked to one standard.(Close|Minmize|Maximize) 
But instead they are doing it completely different. That close button left of 
all the other buttons with a left button layout xD. 
What weed did they smoke ?


> 
> On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Phill Whiteside  
> wrote:
> > For whatever reason, Ubuntu has moved the control buttons from the right
> > hand side, to the left hand side.
> > This has not pleased everyone
> > --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1422422
> > Is Lubuntu going to follow the new methodology ?
> > Regards,
> > Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] restricted-extras

[Leszek Lesner]

M. Daub schrieb:

Hello *,

for the other ubuntu's there are restricted-extras-packages.
Which is most suitable for lubuntu or will be there also a lubuntu-restricted-
extras-package in the future?

Kind regards
Marcus

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There is currently no restriction package. You need to install 
w32codecs(medibuntu) and libxine1-all-plugins manually for codec support.

Flashplayer should be in flashplugin-nonfree or flashplugin-installer.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] restricted-extras

[Leszek Lesner]

Andrew Woodhead schrieb:
As Lubuntu uses gstreamer like Ubuntu just use 
ubuntu-resricted-extras. kde uses something different so has its own 
thing, i believe xubuntu-restricted extras is the same as 
ubuntu-restricted-extras. Just need to copy the package and rename t 
on the repo afaics ;)


Just my 2p worth
-Andy

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Leszek Lesner <mailto:leszek.les...@web.de>> wrote:



M. Daub schrieb:

Hello *,

for the other ubuntu's there are restricted-extras-packages.
Which is most suitable for lubuntu or will be there also a
lubuntu-restricted-
extras-package in the future?

Kind regards
Marcus

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There is currently no restriction package. You need to install
w32codecs(medibuntu) and libxine1-all-plugins manually for codec
support.
Flashplayer should be in flashplugin-nonfree or flashplugin-installer.

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Lubuntu uses Gstreamer ?? Thats new to me. Gnome-Mplayer is using mplayer !

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Feedback Lubuntu Lucid Beta 1 "Logo"

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi, 

I tested the first beta and I am pretty impressed. I tested it on real hardware 
booting from liveusb stick. It was amazingly fast. Only a few seconds to boot. 
This is really a record for linux systems. 
PCManFM2 seems to work fine. I only encounterd some minor bugs. 

1. No default Terminal emulator is set in PCManFM2. We should set this to 
lxterminal
2. Ejecting USB Sticks from within PCManFM2 does not seem to work. (Tested with 
3 SanDisk U3 Sticks, they have 2 partitions 1 FAT32 Data, and a virtual CD-ROM 
drive partition. I only mounted the FAT32 Data partition, though pcmanfm2 asked 
me to mount both.)
3. The dialog to open a newly inserted media shows up on the virtual desktop 
where there is a opened filemanager. Trying to switch to desktop inserting usb 
stick results that it automatically switches to desktop 1 and shows the media 
dialog there. (I think its a bug, cause its annoying and killing my workflow, 
as if you choose to open up the newly insert media it won't show up in the 
opened filemanager window, but opens up a second window. So it absolutely does 
not make sense to switch the desktop to show the dialog.) 
4. Copying Linked folders(symlink to folder, that contains files) in pcmanfm2 
should copy them as symlinks and not as files I think. 

This are the first test results so far. 
All in all a very nice improvement. And btw. very nice work on the artwork to 
fit the ubuntu new brand ;) 

Greetings
Leszek


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Other things to do with a Lubuntu installation

[Leszek Lesner]

On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 00:10:43 +0100
Julien Lavergne  wrote:

> Le dimanche 21 mars 2010 à 21:56 +, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
> > I know that lubuntu's primary target group is low-spec computers, but
> > it is such a lovely low resource hungry distro, I suggest that we also
> > include a little 'something' to
> > let people know that it is a 'full' distro.
> I prefer to focus on the main goal of Lubuntu for now, we don't have a
> big team, and the goal of Lubuntu is clearly not to be used for all the
> uses cases covered by Ubuntu. We don't have enough people to do this.
> 
> 
> > An example is mine, and a couple of others, using it as a great GUI
> > for a server (We're running LAMP).
> > 
> > 
> > As to some of the other things it can do, and do well, earlier we had
> > a new lubuntu'eer on #lubuntu asking about configuring up a dual
> > monitor system off their laptop.
> > It was painless, once I found a nice easy
> > 'How-To' http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=849197
> > 
> > 
> > Most laptops have an external monitor plug on them, and a lot of them
> > can stretch to dual display.
> > 
> > 
> > It took all of about 5 minutes, the result looks pretty good
> > --> http://i44.tinypic.com/2u8uikz.png
> > 
> > 
> > crazysoldier has said it is quite okay to use the screen-shot to show
> > just how good & easy Lubuntu is.
> Managing dual screen is a pain, because it depends on the drivers you
> use. If you use a driver which use randr, a tool like the one in Ubuntu
> should work. But for nvidia or ati users using the binary blob, it will
> not work. There is no universal solution, even for Ubuntu.
Knoppix (based on LXDE) has a modified Xrandr with 3 easy buttons to either 
choose to have both screens cloningmode on, screen 0 on only or screen 1 on 
only. The advanced Tab looks like the one we ship now. 
From the usability point of view this would be a better solution as we ship 
now. 
From the technical point of view: This will work out of the box with , intel, 
ati & nvidia cards (all using the opensource drivers , nvidia the new nouveau 
one). 
We should ship this one, if we find the source. I cannot find it on the knoppix 
repo. I guess it might be even a official lxrandr patch. 

> 
> > Another lubunteer, cousteau, has a patch for laptops so you can use
> > the Fn key for the numeric keyboard that lives amongst the 789uiojklm
> > keys without doing Fn-NumLock, it's a real small script that runs on
> > startup if installed.
> If it's working, it's not something that should be Lubuntu specific. And
> it should be something in the configuration tool, not running by some
> script at startup.
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> 
Multimediakeys should be supported. This are 3 lines of code in .Xmodmap in 
/etc/skel. This is really no pain in the ass. 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] new menu item in lubuntu

[Leszek Lesner]

On Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:54:52 +0100
Zoltan Matlak  wrote:

> I know it is an LXDE related question, but did not know where to post
> it. I installed mc, then I would like to create a menu item in the
> Main Menu, to launch mc in a terminal windw, without going to
> lxterminal and type mc. Unfortunately could not make it work. Got
> stuck. Does anybody have an idea how to do it (if it can be done)?
> 
> I created a new file, called mc.desktop under /usr/share/applications,
> whick looks like:
> 
> [Desktop Entry]
> Name=Midnight Commander filemanager
> GenericName=mc filemanager
> _X-GNOME-FullName=MidnightCommander
> Comment=blabla
> Exec=lxterminal mc
> Icon=mc
> Terminal=true
> Type=Application
> Categories=Development;
> StartupNotify=false
> X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=mc
> 
> Tried different variation for Exec, just to put "mc", or "lxterminal
> mc", also Terminal true/false, but all variations I could think of
> failed..
> 
> Thanks
> Zoltan
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Hi,

if xterm is installed xterm -e mc should work as command. 

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Screencasts

[Leszek Lesner]

On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 22:08:23 +0100
Leszek Lesner  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> here are 3 little test videos:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAS1kJ2adiU   
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V5zlhq8-l4
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNckuRGu8yY
> 
> Have fun ;)
> 
> On Mon, 1 Mar 2010 19:34:09 +0100
> Jo Gerb  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Am 01.03.2010 um 18:42 schrieb Sylkis :
> > 
> > > maybe a promt that automatically launches after loading live session,
> > > saying that this is a live session :), what are the consequences of
> > > that (efficiency worse than on regular install, loss of settings each
> > > boot, etc - but being able to look around the system without any
> > > changes on computer) and that the tutorial and installation process
> > > may be launched by clicking the specific icon placed on desktop?
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > That would Be okay and useful. We should add that.
> > > 2010/3/1 Steve :
> > >> On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:44:15 -, Leszek Lesner  > >> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Hi,
> > >>>
> > >>> what about small short screen-cast tutorials about lubuntu ?
> > >>> e.g.
> > >>>-Showing the installation process
> > >>>-Basic Desktop
> > >>>-Basic File management
> > >>>-...
> > >>>
> > >>> What do you think about this idea ? Maybe (if we have enough space  
> > >>> left)
> > >>> we can also pack some of this videos directly onto the livecd ?
> > >>>
> > >> I think that might not be a bad idea, as long as they are kept
> > >> short-and-sweet.
> > >> An icon on the desktop 'About Lubuntu' or something?
> > >>
> >   aren't there some tutorials on the ubuntu livecd? I never watched  
> > them. And I think many people also don't watch them cause they first  
> > want to try if they find everything without help. 10 mb more to  
> > download makes a really long time with a slow Internet connection.
> > But anyway, we should make these tutorials: if the others vote for  
> > including them, we should include them - but I could also imagine a  
> > special startpage for chromium that has a big button "new to lubuntu?"  
> > and links to these tutorials, some wikis and so on. Like that,  
> > everyone could decide whether to use the help. Best regards, Jo.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>

Here a few new screencasts of Lubuntu showing some of the default apps in 
Lubuntu. 
I intended to keep this screencasts short for the sake of beginners and 
switchers.
All the screencasts were created with free software and edited with OpenShot 
video editor. 

http://blip.tv/rss/bookmarks/206798 (RSS Feed, needs a feedreader)
The Videos in the RSS Feed should also be downloadable with Aqualung. But it 
will download all of them :) 


Have fun ;)

Leszek


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] When will we have Lubuntu 10.04 beta 2?

[Leszek Lesner]

PCMan schrieb:

This makes sense.
Since we're not in Ubuntu family, there is no need to follow ubuntu schedule.
Let's take the time and make a good release rather than do things in a hurry.
Another benefit for the delay I found:
After ubuntu 10.04 release, there must be tons of bugs found. This is
predictable.
So, when we release, many bugs should have been fixed then we can make
a more stable release, isn't it?.

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Jo Gerb  wrote:
   

i think because we are not in the ubuntu-family yet we dont have to bring a
beta2 when ubuntu releases one. We should take the time, include some more
programs (such as games) and release it when its ready. Even if the first
lubuntu is not an official *buntu, it should be a great, well tested distro.
In my opinion, we dont have to follow the canonical timetable that strict.

Best regards, Jo.

2010/4/11 PCMan
 

Ubuntu beta 2 just came out.
So when will we have Lubuntu 10.04 beta 2?
Before releasing beta 2, please get the hotest pcmanfm2 and libfm from
git since there are some important fixes.
It's a pity that Lubuntu didn't enter Ubuntu family this time, but
we'll be ready at the time of 10.10.
At that time, our google summer of code projects should be finished so
things are going to be improved.
In addition, as upower and udisks now have stable releases, it's time
to support them and provide better user experience.

In the past we always rushed to make new releases for LXDE components
to test new features.
Now as the projects grows and more and more people are using it, we
need to meet the quality requirement of being a major desktop
environment.
So a delay to release new components is sometimes better than to
release a buggy one.
Let wait and see what will happen at the time of 10.10.
I bet it will be the best Lubuntu release ever.

Cheers!

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Agreed. My experience especially with ZevenOS releases shows me that 
aprox. 1 month after Ubuntu release is a good time to release a ubuntu 
based distro as almost every critical bug has been fixed till then.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Quicktime not working

[Leszek Lesner]

Am Sonntag, 25. April 2010 22:19:46 schrieb Steve:
> Hosoka and myself have been trying to get Quicktime to work with no
> success.  It works on Chromium with Ubuntu but not on Lubuntu.  We have
> w32codecs installed along with restricted extras and the Chromium extra
> package. Anybody any ideas?

Apple has changed the Quicktime sites (especially the trailers) to only accept 
clients which are sending the right quicktime id (version string). I wrote a 
little shell script to fix the quicktime support for zevenos a few weeks ago. 
Its simply a call for mplayer + the right version string. So if you want to 
play a quicktime trailer go to the trailers site, copy the link to the mov or 
mp4 file, open up a terminal type in sh /path/to/script/quicktime and paste in 
the url (sometimes you need to shorten out the width and heigths added after 
the mov video url) . It works very well, also with the quicktime keynote 
streams. (udp over http is enabled for them to work) 
Ubuntu uses gstreamer and the totem plugin to make it work. Obviously they 
included a patch for this. The mplayerplugin needs to be patched to make it 
work again inside the browser. So not really a fix for now, just a work 
around. 


quicktime
Description: application/shellscript
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Congratulations

[Leszek Lesner]

Congrats.
Very nice and pretty release. I'm proud being a part of it ;)



Josef schrieb:
Yes to everybody and you.. Congratulations for getting the Lubuntu to 
the Final.
thanks for making Ubuntu with a LXDE flavor. And I am looking forward 
to next release.


On 5/3/2010 3:38 PM, Steve wrote:

Congratulations to everybody involved in getting Lubuntu to a 'Final'
release.  Plenty of people downloading via torrent. Lets hope it
attracts a few more helpers.




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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi Phill,

if you in a desperate need of a minimal install cd I can build one. But 
how should it look like ? A ubuntu minimal CD with all the deb packages 
using debian installer ? Or a minimal LiveCD with only lxde as a desktop 
that allows you to install the system with a cli installer ?
The first one is a little pain of work. The second one not so much, as I 
already have a cli installer written for zevenos-neptune (debian based) 
that will also work flawessly on lubuntu if the dialog package is 
installed. And btw. I have build my own "remastersys" kind of tool 
called remaster-kit that also works flawlessly (yes I had bad 
experiences with remastersys)  with lubuntu (as long as you know 
something about cli and chroot usage). As it is a kind of dry topic. I 
made a small video showing both tools.
Here is the link: http://blip.tv/file/3612824 (Including a link for the 
source and deb)
All in all I would think making a 'real' minimal InstallCD might be a 
better solution as it supports more installation methods and special 
configurations for LVM and encryption.


Have fun ;)

Am 11.05.2010 23:03, schrieb Phillip Whiteside:

Hi Julien,

I know that you do not have time to make a minimal iso, however having 
chatted to some 'nice people' it appears that I (or anyone) should 
actually be able to do it. It's called remastersys and how it works is 
at http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/remastersys I've no need to bore you 
with how it works, simply put - It takes your installed system and 
creates an iso with an md5 checksum.


Once you have (all) stopped laughing, according to the wiki entry 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remastersys  You can make it CLI 
install. So, I'd follow the minimal install instructions onto a 
partition & then make the iso (in theory). Well, I'm willing to give 
it a try if you think it may be of help.


On a slightly different note, but to save me posting another email to 
you. I was asking ibuclaw about why the cd would fail self test, yet 
pass the other md5checksum test. Ibuclaw asked when you would be 
about, he was running through some stuff with me but it was way over 
my technical knowledge. He said that he could have a chat with you. As 
you know, Iain has already provided one patch to lubuntu (pcmanfm) and 
I count him as one of the 'nice people' I chat to on the 'official' 
ubuntu area.


If you keep an eye on ##ufbt you will be able to see if he is logged 
on (yes, I have been given permission for you to stalk him on there).


Regards,

Phill.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion in 10.10 [Disk Mounting]

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

there is still disk-manager avaiable. (even though it isn't anymore on 
ubuntu, but debian unstable still has it 
http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=disk-manager&searchon=names&suite=unstable§ion=all 
) 


It is working very good and can configure /etc/fstab interactively.


Am 17.05.2010 21:35, schrieb Mike Nokel:

2010/5/17 Phillip Whiteside mailto:phi...@phillw.net>>

Hi,

It has been asked on IRC if it is possible to automount devices on
startup. I could only advise manually editing the fstab. Having
had a further dig, pysadm does not bring any dependencies onto my
system (I'm guessing they're already there because of
Pyneighborhood). As it is only going to use up a little disk space
and I would not think more resources to run than something like
Pyneighborood do you think it is an included candidate, or should
it be just noted that a user requiring such functionality can
install it via Synaptics.

Regards,

Phill.

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Hi!
I have installed ntfs-config. And after selecting "auto-configure" 
there now I have all my ntfs-devices mounted automatically during the 
startup. Hope, it helps.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 522031] Re: installer crashed lubuntu

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 21.05.2010 20:02, schrieb cxp:

Hello, I just heard about Lubunto. I've been using Xubunto at my Laptop Asus 
K50I [CPU Pent. T4400, HDD 320 GB, Ram 4GB, Nvidia GeForce GT 320 M].
I've downloaded Lubunto. Burned the image on a CD. Changed the Bios Config so 
it would boot from the CD. Then when it stars and say to Install Lubunto, it 
goes on, but stays for a long time on the screen with just the logo - lubunto 
and four/five dots of loading it...for ages...and there isn't almost any CD 
activity.
So I can't install it!?

   
Try to boot with fail safe mode. If it doesn't work try to boot without 
the splash option (hit F6 and delete the word splash). You should notice 
an error if something goes wrong.

And double check if the iso md5 sum is correct.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] questions about lubuntu-10.04.iso

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 24.05.2010 07:06, schrieb rya...@mail.com:
How much GB of disk space(including swap) does a full install of 
lubuntu-10.04 use if installing from the lubuntu-10.04.iso CD? 2GB? 3GB?


Does lubuntu-10.04 include the HPLIP driver for HP printers? If so, 
what version of HPLIP is it? HPLIP 3.10.5?


Thanks


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If you have more then 1 GB RAM you don't neccessarly need a SWAP partition.
If you don't consider double the RAM size to use for SWAP.

Lubuntu uses about 1.5 GB of space right after installation. So the 
minimum space you need is 2 GB I would say.
I recommened 4 to 5 GB to have it running good and be able to install 
additional software + personal data.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lxterminal

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 24.05.2010 13:09, schrieb 神癒礁湖  · Rafael Laguna:

  
  
Just a stupid question... why LXTerminal does not support drag and drop
from PCMan? (I mean files, f. ex.).
  

  




  

  
  
  
  
  
  

  




  

  
  

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Because it isn't implemented (for a while now) :P 
I noticed also drag and drop a file from desktop to firefox for example
does not work (tested some webm videos locally) 


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 'Ask me' option in power management preferences doesn't not open the logout dialog

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Am 26.05.2010 17:08, schrieb Zeraxeal:
> Although the problem seems to be tied with gnome-power-manager, I'll post
> here since it is used as the default power manager.
> 
> The default option for 'Action when power button is pressed' is 'Ask me',
> which usually brings out the logout dialog of GNOME desktop.
> However, this option does not do anything in Lubuntu - the LXDE logout
> dialog does not appear.
> 
> The other options, such as hibernate, suspend and shutdown, work as they
> should, so I don't think the problem lies with the kernel or the power
> button.
> 
> 
> 
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For the powerbutton to do anything, capture the keycode with xev (run it
in terminal and press the button, it will give you a keycode).
With the keycode you can then link the appropiate key to the lxde-logout
executable from within openbox configuration file.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 'Ask me' option in power management preferences doesn't not open the logout dialog

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 26.05.2010 20:08, schrieb Zeraxeal:
> The thing is, power button (and suspend button for that matter) works as it
> should when the option is set to hibernate, shutdown or suspend. This
> problem only occurs when the option is set to 'Ask me'.
> 
> Although editing openbox config file will definitely solve this problem,
> shouldn't we be able to have that option configurable in the power manager
> in the first place? Especially when all of the other options work as
> intended.

I think it needs a patch then for the power manager to detect lxde and
then choose the right dialog to show, when the power button is pressed.
It would be better to have an lxde specialized power manager.

> 
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
> 
>> Am 26.05.2010 17:08, schrieb Zeraxeal:
>>> Although the problem seems to be tied with gnome-power-manager, I'll post
>>> here since it is used as the default power manager.
>>>
>>> The default option for 'Action when power button is pressed' is 'Ask me',
>>> which usually brings out the logout dialog of GNOME desktop.
>>> However, this option does not do anything in Lubuntu - the LXDE logout
>>> dialog does not appear.
>>>
>>> The other options, such as hibernate, suspend and shutdown, work as they
>>> should, so I don't think the problem lies with the kernel or the power
>>> button.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> For the powerbutton to do anything, capture the keycode with xev (run it
>> in terminal and press the button, it will give you a keycode).
>> With the keycode you can then link the appropiate key to the lxde-logout
>> executable from within openbox configuration file.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 'Ask me' option in power management preferences doesn't not open the logout dialog

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 28.05.2010 10:28, schrieb Zeraxeal:
> I tried to make a patch for it...and it works, but it's REALLY ugly.
> 
> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/219219/
> 
> <http://paste.pocoo.org/show/219219/>The link leads to the diff file that
> I've created, and it's basically a copy-and-paste from lxsession-logout's
> method to check for lxsession, and if there is a session running, it will
> call for a system() function to "lxsession-logout -b
> /usr/share/lubuntu/images/logout-banner.png -s top"
> 
> Not pretty, and possibly crazy (as I'm not a coder at all so I don't know
> how 'conventional' coding is like), but it worked for me :-/
> 

Yeah it is a quick and dirty patch only. It would be nice to have an
global lxde logout command, which greps its wallpapers and settings from
a config file instead of a command line parameter.

> On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
> 
>> Am 26.05.2010 20:08, schrieb Zeraxeal:
>>> The thing is, power button (and suspend button for that matter) works as
>> it
>>> should when the option is set to hibernate, shutdown or suspend. This
>>> problem only occurs when the option is set to 'Ask me'.
>>>
>>> Although editing openbox config file will definitely solve this problem,
>>> shouldn't we be able to have that option configurable in the power
>> manager
>>> in the first place? Especially when all of the other options work as
>>> intended.
>>
>> I think it needs a patch then for the power manager to detect lxde and
>> then choose the right dialog to show, when the power button is pressed.
>> It would be better to have an lxde specialized power manager.
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Leszek Lesner 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 26.05.2010 17:08, schrieb Zeraxeal:
>>>>> Although the problem seems to be tied with gnome-power-manager, I'll
>> post
>>>>> here since it is used as the default power manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> The default option for 'Action when power button is pressed' is 'Ask
>> me',
>>>>> which usually brings out the logout dialog of GNOME desktop.
>>>>> However, this option does not do anything in Lubuntu - the LXDE logout
>>>>> dialog does not appear.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other options, such as hibernate, suspend and shutdown, work as
>> they
>>>>> should, so I don't think the problem lies with the kernel or the power
>>>>> button.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>> For the powerbutton to do anything, capture the keycode with xev (run it
>>>> in terminal and press the button, it will give you a keycode).
>>>> With the keycode you can then link the appropiate key to the lxde-logout
>>>> executable from within openbox configuration file.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Discussion] Minitube in Lubuntu Maverick?

[Leszek Lesner]

Youtube has HTML5 Video support.
It works flawlessly on my eeepc 701 with 633 MHZ and 512 MB RAM with
chromium.


Am 29.05.2010 20:56, schrieb Glenn:
> Hello guys,
> 
> recently I discovered a neat little application called Minitube.
> Minitube is a youtube client out of the browser, Flash is not required.
> This could be very handy for very old computers, since Flash is an
> enormous overkill on an old processor and is on average crap with cpu
> usage on Linux anyways.
> 
> Website:
> 
> http://flavio.tordini.org/minitube
> 
> 
> 
> To install the now old 0.9:
> 
> Install minitube and the following packages with synaptic:
> 
> phonon-backend-gstreamer
> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
> 
> 
> 
> To install the latest version (1.0, the Lucid repo contains 0.9):
> 
> -sudo add-apt-repository ppa:neversfelde/ppa
> 
> Now refresh the repo and install Minitube and these packages:
> 
> phonon-backend-gstreamer
> gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg
> gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad
> 
> --
> 
> Pro´s:
> 
> -Very pretty interface
> -Fast and pretty lightweight
> -No flash required, comes to the rescue for ancient computers
> 
> Con´s:
> 
> -4 QT dependencies
> -Gstreamer dependencies (are these a problem?)
> 
> -
> 
> I think we should discuss this, because this:
> 
> -Is lightweight
> -Makes the system more usable for users with old computers (Our aim)
> -Easy to use
> 
> 
> -Glenn

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changes planned for the seed

[Leszek Lesner]

There is a new XFCE4-Taskmanager version with much improvements.
As far as I know the lxtaskmanager is still based on the older version.

http://mmassonnet.blogspot.com/2010/06/major-changes-in-xfce-task-manager.html

Another topic (sry Julien did not send to the mailinglist just to you) :

What about the proxy GUI ?
As we don't have one right now(10.04), we should push that so that it
can get into the ubuntu repos for 10.10:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/lxproxy_0.1ubuntu3_all.deb

Its still an early version but seems to work quite good.


Am 17.06.2010 00:10, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> Hi,
> 
> I'll do some changes to the seed shortly :
> 
> - Add a lubuntu-core package, which only install a minimum Lubuntu
> system.
> - Add update-notifier and update-manager, until we have a better
> solution.
> - Add xpad, a note program
> - Remove parcelite, pcmanfm now have a good support for copy/paste.
> - Remove pyneighborhood, pcmanfm has now gvfs support which should
> provide most features provided by pyneighborhood.
> - Replace xfce4-taskmanager by lxtask. It's more natural to have the
> LXDE one since it's available.
> 
> Also, just a reminder : proposal for change in main applications need to
> be posted before 24 June. See the Roadmap [1].
> 
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
> 
> [1] : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers#Schedule
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changing PDF viewer by default

[Leszek Lesner]

Isn't Chromium getting native PDF support ?
Maybe we simply need to wait ;)


Am 20.06.2010 um 22:38 schrieb Yorvyk:


On Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:05:14 +0200
Julien Lavergne  wrote:


Hi,

Maybe you already noticed it, but epdfviewer (the default pdf viewer)
have a huge memory leak. See
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/epdfview/+bug/570410

It makes it quite unusable, and I don't know if it will be fixed in  
the

futur.

I propose to change it. I don't know many alternatives, except evince
and xpdf. Evince use a bit more memory, but xpdf don't have a good  
UI,

and use a lot of CPU on my testing system. So, for now I'll prefer to
use evince.

Any other ideas, and any feedbacks/comments are welcome :) It's  
open to

discussion.

Forgot about that.  Evince is far a far better option.  I’ve been  
using it on my 128KiB machine and as long as the PDF isn’t huge it  
is quite OK



--
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Another interesting music player

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.06.2010 15:25, schrieb Glenn de Groot:
> 
> Hello,
> found another interesting music player called Xnoise.It uses 4.5 mb of ram on 
> start up while deadbeef uses 11 mb.Deadbeef also uses 10.8 mb while playing 
> an mp3 (interesting decrease) and xnoise uses 5.7.
> It´s a gtk app coded in Python and uses gstreamer so it also plays video´s 
> but it is aimed as a music player.
> website:
> http://code.google.com/p/xnoise/

Gstreamer is the problem here. A very big dependency. I am also against
mixing mplayer (+w32codec pack) for video with gstreamer apps for audio

> 
> Just thought it´s an interesting little app. ;)
> -Glenn  
> _
> Al je email accounts in 1 inbox. Het kan in Hotmail.
> http://www.microsoft.com/netherlands/windowslive/Views/productdetail.aspx?product=Hotmail
> 
> 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] usb sound

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 30.06.2010 06:17, schrieb Phillip Whiteside:
> Hi,
> 
> has any one got either a set of usb speakers or usb head phones ?
> 
> an OP on IRC could not get theirs to work, and not having a set I couldn't
> help. It will, no doubt, be some silly setting :-)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Phill.
> 
> 
> 

I have a usb headset that I use to create my screencast. There is no
problem with this. The only thing I have to do to record properly is to
volume up  the recording volume in alsamixer -> record.
The best is to check if volume is turned on not muted in alsamixer.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How do I make a launcher?

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Am 28.07.2010 11:11, schrieb Lee Gold:
> Hi,
>
> User question,
>
> Are there clear easy to follow instructions on how to make desktop launchers 
> in lubuntu? It should be easy but I could not do it even after Googling it. 
> Yes I can right click an existing app in the menu. But let's say I upgrade to 
> a new version before the repository has it  and "manually" install it. Then 
> how do I make a launcher? Right now I just start things from the terminal but 
> would prefer a clickable icon. How do I make a launcher?
>
> Thanks
>
>   
You can find most launchers in /usr/share/applications. If you open up
one of those with a simple texteditor you will see the structure of an
*.desktop file. I think its easy to understand and to reproduce.
There is also an app avaiable called lxshortcut that allows you to
easily create such a desktop file.
http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXShortCut
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Update problem in 10.10 alpha 2

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Am 30.07.2010 09:10, schrieb Duy Hùng Tra^`n:
> Hello everybody!
>
> I'm testing Lubuntu 10.10 alpha 2. When I log in, I get a message:
>
> *Update information*
>
> *Authentication issue*
>
> *Problem during package list update. The package list update failed with a
> authentication failure. This usually happens behind a network proxy server.
> Please try to click on the "Run this action now" button to correct the
> problem or update the list manually by running Update Manager and clicking
> on "Check".*
>
> Then I click "Run this action now" and get this error:
>
> *Could not download all repository indexes
>
> The repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because
> of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will
> be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network
> connection and ensure the repository address in the preferences is correct.
>
> Failed to fetch
> http://ppa.launchpad.net/lubuntu/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz404
> Not Found
> Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones
> used instead*
>
> So I can't update in alpha 2. Is it a bug or temporary error?
>   

Temporary as we trying to reach the ubuntu default repo and maverick
final won't need a Lubuntu PPA then.
> Thank you!
>
>   
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Trash Can

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 08.08.2010 14:48, schrieb Phillip Whiteside:
> Hi,
> a request from the forum
>
> Not to be able to put the trashcan on the desktop.When I open file manager
>   
>> its there but there's no option to add a launcher to the desktop/panel when
>> I right click on it.Tried doing it with Ubuntu Tweak but no option for
>> putting the can on the desktop.Nothing major but still an inconvenience.
>> 
>
> Is this possible?
>   

Just open up leafpad and put the following in:

[Desktop Entry]
Type=Application
Version=1.0
Name=Trash
Name[de]=Mülleimer
Exec=pcmanfm trash:///
Icon=emptytrash
Terminal=false
OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;

Save it as trash.desktop on the Desktop. The Desktop should then show a
Trash icon.
Right clicking and "emptying trash" does not work though.
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Custom Launcher.

[Leszek Lesner]

Isn't there an lxde-shortcut creator or something. I remember seeing it
somewhere.
It creates .desktop files very easily with a GUI.

Am 09.08.2010 22:05, schrieb Phillip Whiteside:
> Thanks Steve,
>
> I had a feeling that would be way to do it (see, I do learn :p )
>
> Regards,
>
> Phill.
>
> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 5:24 PM, Yorvyk  wrote:
>
>   
>> On Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:15:11 +0100
>> Phillip Whiteside  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hi, a request from the forum area.
>>>
>>> Phil, is there any easy way to create a custom launcher either on the
>>>   
>> panel
>> 
 of the desktop? I'm wanting to make a launcher for rtorrent. This is
 
>> one of
>> 
 the only things I miss about Gnome(well that, and minimizing to tray
 
>> doesn't
>> 
 really work with a lot of apps). I just have to adjust to LXDE since I
 
>> am so
>> 
 used to Gnome. But all I used to have to do is right-click a panel, his
 create launcher, the put rtorrent in for the command and the name, and
 
>> that
>> 
 was it.
 
>>>
>>> I think they're referring to something like what I was given for the
>>>   
>> Trash
>> 
>>> Can, but not sure if there is something in 10.10 a3 for doing this.
>>>
>>> [Desktop Entry]
>>>
>>> Type=Application
>>>
>>> Version=1.0
>>>
>>> Name=Trash
>>>
>>> Name[de]=Mülleimer
>>>
>>> Exec=pcmanfm trash:///
>>>
>>> Icon=emptytrash
>>>
>>> Terminal=false
>>>
>>> OnlyShowIn=GNOME;XFCE;
>>>
>>>
>>> Save it as trash.desktop on the Desktop. The Desktop should then show a
>>> Trash icon.
>>>
>>> Right clicking and "emptying trash" does not work though.
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>> Same method I’m afraid, creating a .desktop file.
>>
>> --
>> Steve Cook (Yorvyk)
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?

[Leszek Lesner]

This is an interesting topic. I really don't know how to recognize them
before testing them. But looking to other so called "lightweight"
distributions and there default applications would be one way to do
this. Another one would be looking at the homepages of the different
applications and trying to find the system requirements for this app.
Lastly but not least Blogs like ubuntu geek have some app tips and also
write about lightweight applications.

Hope this helps ;)

Am 20.08.2010 07:53, schrieb Duy Hùng Tra^`n:
> Hi all!
> When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most asked
> questions are: "How to ... in Lubuntu?", "What software to ... in Lubuntu?".
> Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they don't know about
> Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to try something new, to
> try Linux and the most important thing they want to know is their jobs in
> Windows would be able to be done in Lubuntu/Linux or not.
> There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest them
> to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications are
> lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not.
> Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu?
>
> Regards,
> Hung
>
>   
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to know applications are lightweight or not?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 21.08.2010 02:09, schrieb Phillip Whiteside:
> To have a application considered for inclusion it must be stable, use no
> disk space to install and use no RAM or CPU time when running. If it meets
> all those of those, AND is in the official Ubuntu Repositories there will be
> a vote held. (yes, it really does seem like that when proposing a new
> included application).
>
> If you find a candidate that you feel meets most of the above, please do put
> it forward. Even if it does not get included on the release it would be
> possible to "give it a mention" in the same way that Deadbeef is as lean,
> mean and keen music player, liked by many but not in the official repos.
>
> I'm sure this is documented somewhere, but reboot your system up, let it
> settle  and issue *free* and *top* in the terminal window
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LXTerminal
> Make a note of of memory
>  total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
> Mem:   15345161072532 *461984*  0 113556 457816
>
> Free memory is in *bold*
>   
Sry but measuring free memory is nonsense. Unused memory is wasted
memory. Its by far more important how much memory a single application
uses (without the libraries it needs) to check its efficency. If the
library isn't included by default in lubuntu you need to add this
library memory usage also (because it can't be shared between
applications, when only one app uses it).
The best way to check if an application is suitable is to grep an older
pc and test it there.
Speed + Stability are the far most important points that matter. But it
may be good to test also starting different applications in parallel to
watch if this slows down the application dramatically or not.
> And CPU usage
>
> Tasks: 134 total,   1 running, 133 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
> Cpu(s):  *1.3%us,*
>
> Take a note of where the memory and CPU usage is (*bold*), then go to
> install the programme.
> If at this point it wants to bring in a lot additional parts, it is unlikely
> to pass the requirements.
>
> If it passes that step, then you can, if you wish install it [1]
> and reboot. then issue the *free* and *top* command again to ensure the new
> program is not 'eating up memory' or CPU usage
>   
Again CPU usage is important here. Memory usage might be also very high
depending on which application you use (QT and KDE applications share
there memory and reserve mostly more memory then they actually use)
> Start using the application for a little while then issue the commands again
> and you can see what it is using, both in memory and CPU time.
>   
Issuing those commands and looking at there output gives only a vague
orientation on how this app might behave. This is definitely not an
objective way to found out how an app behaves on low memory.

> Regards,
> Phill.
> [1] when installing use apt-get, or a ppa in order to remove a package from
> your system if you wish it gone.
>
> P.S. I've seen many discussions on this, if lubuntu could get a standard way
> of testing of an application I think it is worth us having a 'bench-mark'.
>   
There are too many applications and too many different libraries doing
to much different stuff. I don't think we can do a "automated"
benchmark. Every app must be real time tested. (if they don't fall of
already before testing i.e. thinking of JAVA apps which bring big
dependencies and benefical only for one app)

Regards,
Leszek

>
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:
>
>   
>> Le vendredi 20 août 2010 à 12:53 +0700, Duy Hùng Trần a écrit :
>> 
>>> When I introduce Lubuntu to people in my country, I'm sure the most
>>> asked questions are: "How to ... in Lubuntu?", "What software to ...
>>> in Lubuntu?". Most people in Vietnam still use Microsoft Windows, they
>>> don't know about Linux, about Ubuntu or Lubuntu, but they are ready to
>>> try something new, to try Linux and the most important thing they want
>>> to know is their jobs in Windows would be able to be done in
>>> Lubuntu/Linux or not.
>>> There are many applications in Ubuntu repository that I could suggest
>>> them to people but I really don't how to recognize those applications
>>> are lightweight and suitable for Lubuntu, for their computers or not.
>>> Do we have any tip to choose the right applications for Lubuntu?
>>>   
>> It's difficult to say before testing them :)
>>
>> In Lubuntu, we have some criteria for applications we want to include :
>> - Low memory usage
>> - Low system usage (CPU, hard-disk i/o ...)
>> - Low dependencies
>> - Still fast :)
>>
>> As you see, you can't define them, without testing the application :)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien Lavergne
>>
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] alsamixer crashes when changing view mode

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 05.09.2010 04:55, schrieb Duy Hùng Tra^`n:
> Hello!
> I run alsamixer in terminal, when I hit F4 or F5 to switch to view in "All"
> and "Capture", alsamixer crash and return "S" or "~" in terminal.
> In virtualbox environment this problem occurs too, so I think there is
> something wrong with alsamixer and Lubuntu.
> Do you get this problem like me?
>   
Its a known problem, because the terminal occupies some of the Hotkeys.
Try using xterm. It will work fine with it. Or simply try pressing TAB
which has switches the views just like F4 and F5 do
> Regards,
> Hung
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Control Center

[Leszek Lesner]

I know there was something in the work but here is now my version of a
Lubuntu Control Center for Lubuntu 10.10 and Lubuntu 10.04 (it should
work fine there too).
It is a simple GUI starting the configuration tools that already ship
with Lubuntu (except for LXProxy, which needs to be downloaded seperately).

Here a small screenshot:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4960072883/

Download (deb) : http://www.mediafire.com/?4qnt9iebg8tgpgb

Feedback is welcome ;)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can't install any deb in Beta 1 in gtk mode

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 04.09.2010 21:26, schrieb Duy Hùng Trần:

> > Hi!
> > I can't install any *.deb file in Beta 1, I get this error: "dpkg: unable to
> > read file descriptor for  > file descriptor". But I still can install these deb files in terminal with
> > "dpkg -i" command successfully.
> > Any solution?
> >   
>   
A known bug. I remember it from the Lucid Betas aswell. Just wait until
it gets fixed.


> > Thank you!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Hung
> >
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> >
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Control Center

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 05.09.2010 22:31, schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Sun, 5 Sep 2010 12:42:24 -0400
> Bob Trevithick  wrote:
>
>   
>> Wow, Leszek.  That's beautiful work!
>>
>> I'm off on a motorcycle trip, but will get home late tomorrow and then
>> can grab the new beta and start to play. :-)
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>> 
>>> I know there was something in the work but here is now my version of a
>>> Lubuntu Control Center for Lubuntu 10.10 and Lubuntu 10.04 (it should work
>>> fine there too).
>>> It is a simple GUI starting the configuration tools that already ship with
>>> Lubuntu (except for LXProxy, which needs to be downloaded seperately).
>>>
>>> Here a small screenshot:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4960072883/
>>>
>>> Download (deb) : http://www.mediafire.com/?4qnt9iebg8tgpgb
>>>
>>> Feedback is welcome ;)
>>>
>>>   
> Looks lovely but, I get the following when I run it:-
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/lubuntu-control-center", line 43, in 
> from lubuntu_control_center import (
>   File 
> "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/lubuntu_control_center/PreferencesLubuntuControlCenterDialog.py",
>  line 17, in 
> from desktopcouch.records.server import CouchDatabase
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/__init__.py", line 20, 
> in 
> from desktopcouch.start_local_couchdb import process_is_couchdb, 
> read_pidfile
>   File 
> "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/start_local_couchdb.py", line 
> 38, in 
> from desktopcouch import local_files
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/local_files.py", line 
> 34, in 
> import gnomekeyring
> ImportError: No module named gnomekeyring
>
>
>   
You don't have the right dependencies. It seems like couchdb python
bindings are missing. I am asking myself, why the heck they are in
there. Need to cleanup the quickly mess :P. The next version comes
without couchdb dependency and should work then.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Control Center

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 05.09.2010 22:49, schrieb Rafael Laguna:
> Wonderful! Is it translatale? Should be available in the release or will it 
> be a 
> separate / downloadable tool?
>
> Oh, and graphically perfect, it matches corporate lines.
>
>
> Go to rafaellaguna.com   Go to 
> Lubuntu.net 
> 
>
>
>   
It should be translatable in the next release 0.2 that I plan to make. I
will attach a german translation aswell.
Perhaps I will change the textlabels to wordwrap (especially for
translations that are a little bit longer) so that the window might
still fit on a low netbook resolution.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Control Center

[Leszek Lesner]

New Version is out (0.2):

* fixed dependencies
* added german language
* added tooltips
* cut strings that are to long (useful for translation)

Version 0.2 (deb) can be found here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?3kyy21ubztiki0c

Sources + the pot file for translating can be found here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?0vnu65kbvi55iu1

I will create a launchpad entry if there is any interest in continuing
this app ;)



Am 06.09.2010 07:03, schrieb Zoltan Matlak:
> I got this:
>
> z...@zoli-laptop:~$ lubuntu-control-center
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/bin/lubuntu-control-center", line 43, in 
> from lubuntu_control_center import (
>   File 
> "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/lubuntu_control_center/PreferencesLubuntuControlCenterDialog.py",
> line 17, in 
> from desktopcouch.records.server import CouchDatabase
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/__init__.py",
> line 20, in 
> from desktopcouch.start_local_couchdb import process_is_couchdb,
> read_pidfile
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/start_local_couchdb.py",
> line 38, in 
> from desktopcouch import local_files
>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/local_files.py",
> line 34, in 
> import gnomekeyring
> ImportError: No module named gnomekeyring
> z...@zoli-laptop:~$
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Duy Hùng Trần  wrote:
>   
>> I got this error when installing:
>>
>> sudo dpkg -i lubuntu-control-center_0.1_all.deb
>> Selecting previously deselected package lubuntu-control-center.
>> (Reading database ... 99322 files and directories currently installed.)
>> Unpacking lubuntu-control-center (from lubuntu-control-center_0.1_all.deb)
>> ...
>> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of lubuntu-control-center:
>>  lubuntu-control-center depends on desktopcouch; however:
>>   Package desktopcouch is not installed.
>> dpkg: error processing lubuntu-control-center (--install):
>>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
>> Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>>  lubuntu-control-center
>>
>> So I tried to install desktoptouch and got this:
>>
>> sudo apt-get install desktopcouch
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> Building dependency tree
>> Reading state information... Done
>> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>  desktopcouch : Depends: couchdb-bin (>= 0.10.0-0ubuntu3) but it is not
>> going to be installed
>> Depends: python-couchdb (>= 0.6) but it is not going to be
>> installed
>> Depends: python-twisted-core but it is not going to be
>> installed
>> Depends: python-avahi but it is not going to be installed
>> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify
>> a solution).
>>
>>
>> On 5 September 2010 23:10, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>> 
>>> I know there was something in the work but here is now my version of a
>>> Lubuntu Control Center for Lubuntu 10.10 and Lubuntu 10.04 (it should work
>>> fine there too).
>>> It is a simple GUI starting the configuration tools that already ship with
>>> Lubuntu (except for LXProxy, which needs to be downloaded seperately).
>>>
>>> Here a small screenshot:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4960072883/
>>>
>>> Download (deb) : http://www.mediafire.com/?4qnt9iebg8tgpgb
>>>
>>> Feedback is welcome ;)
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Control Center

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 06.09.2010 11:51, schrieb Yaron Shahrabani:
> And now you got yourself a Hebrew translation already :)
> Yaron Shahrabani
>
> 
>   
Perfect ;)

>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>   
>> New Version is out (0.2):
>>
>> * fixed dependencies
>> * added german language
>> * added tooltips
>> * cut strings that are to long (useful for translation)
>>
>> Version 0.2 (deb) can be found here:
>> http://www.mediafire.com/?3kyy21ubztiki0c
>>
>> Sources + the pot file for translating can be found here:
>> http://www.mediafire.com/?0vnu65kbvi55iu1
>>
>> I will create a launchpad entry if there is any interest in continuing
>> this app ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 06.09.2010 07:03, schrieb Zoltan Matlak:
>> 
>>> I got this:
>>>
>>> z...@zoli-laptop:~$ lubuntu-control-center
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File "/usr/bin/lubuntu-control-center", line 43, in 
>>> from lubuntu_control_center import (
>>>   File
>>>   
>> "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/lubuntu_control_center/PreferencesLubuntuControlCenterDialog.py",
>> 
>>> line 17, in 
>>> from desktopcouch.records.server import CouchDatabase
>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/__init__.py",
>>> line 20, in 
>>> from desktopcouch.start_local_couchdb import process_is_couchdb,
>>> read_pidfile
>>>   File
>>>   
>> "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/start_local_couchdb.py",
>> 
>>> line 38, in 
>>> from desktopcouch import local_files
>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/local_files.py",
>>> line 34, in 
>>> import gnomekeyring
>>> ImportError: No module named gnomekeyring
>>> z...@zoli-laptop:~$
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Duy Hùng Trần 
>>>   
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>   
>>>> I got this error when installing:
>>>>
>>>> sudo dpkg -i lubuntu-control-center_0.1_all.deb
>>>> Selecting previously deselected package lubuntu-control-center.
>>>> (Reading database ... 99322 files and directories currently installed.)
>>>> Unpacking lubuntu-control-center (from
>>>> 
>> lubuntu-control-center_0.1_all.deb)
>> 
>>>> ...
>>>> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of
>>>> 
>> lubuntu-control-center:
>> 
>>>>  lubuntu-control-center depends on desktopcouch; however:
>>>>   Package desktopcouch is not installed.
>>>> dpkg: error processing lubuntu-control-center (--install):
>>>>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
>>>> Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
>>>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>>>>  lubuntu-control-center
>>>>
>>>> So I tried to install desktoptouch and got this:
>>>>
>>>> sudo apt-get install desktopcouch
>>>> Reading package lists... Done
>>>> Building dependency tree
>>>> Reading state information... Done
>>>> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
>>>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>>>  desktopcouch : Depends: couchdb-bin (>= 0.10.0-0ubuntu3) but it is not
>>>> going to be installed
>>>> Depends: python-couchdb (>= 0.6) but it is not going to
>>>> 
>> be
>> 
>>>> installed
>>>> Depends: python-twisted-core but it is not going to be
>>>> installed
>>>> Depends: python-avahi but it is not going to be
>>>> 
>> installed
>> 
>>>> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
>>>> 
>> specify
>> 
>>>> a solution).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5 September 2010 23:10, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> I know there was something in the work but here is now my version of a
>>>>> Lubuntu Control Center for Lubuntu 10.10 and Lubuntu 10.04 (it should
>>>>>   
>> work
>> 
>>>>> fine there too).
>>>>

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Control Center

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 06.09.2010 12:17, schrieb Duy Hùng Trần:
> Thank you Leszek, it works well for me now, except Proxy part, I click it
> but nothing happens then.
> And this is Vietnamese translation.
>   

The Proxy part needs LXProxy which is an seperate application I wrote 6
months ago. You can find it here:
http://zevenos.com/files/lxproxy_0.1ubuntu3_all.deb

Thx for the translation ;)

> Regards,
> Duy Hung
>
> On 6 September 2010 16:43, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>   
>> New Version is out (0.2):
>>
>> * fixed dependencies
>> * added german language
>> * added tooltips
>> * cut strings that are to long (useful for translation)
>>
>> Version 0.2 (deb) can be found here:
>> http://www.mediafire.com/?3kyy21ubztiki0c
>>
>> Sources + the pot file for translating can be found here:
>> http://www.mediafire.com/?0vnu65kbvi55iu1
>>
>> I will create a launchpad entry if there is any interest in continuing
>> this app ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 06.09.2010 07:03, schrieb Zoltan Matlak:
>> 
>>> I got this:
>>>
>>> z...@zoli-laptop:~$ lubuntu-control-center
>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>   File "/usr/bin/lubuntu-control-center", line 43, in 
>>> from lubuntu_control_center import (
>>>   File
>>>   
>> "/usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/lubuntu_control_center/PreferencesLubuntuControlCenterDialog.py",
>> 
>>> line 17, in 
>>> from desktopcouch.records.server import CouchDatabase
>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/__init__.py",
>>> line 20, in 
>>> from desktopcouch.start_local_couchdb import process_is_couchdb,
>>> read_pidfile
>>>   File
>>>   
>> "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/start_local_couchdb.py",
>> 
>>> line 38, in 
>>> from desktopcouch import local_files
>>>   File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/desktopcouch/local_files.py",
>>> line 34, in 
>>> import gnomekeyring
>>> ImportError: No module named gnomekeyring
>>> z...@zoli-laptop:~$
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 4:51 AM, Duy Hùng Trần 
>>>   
>> wrote:
>> 
>>>   
>>>> I got this error when installing:
>>>>
>>>> sudo dpkg -i lubuntu-control-center_0.1_all.deb
>>>> Selecting previously deselected package lubuntu-control-center.
>>>> (Reading database ... 99322 files and directories currently installed.)
>>>> Unpacking lubuntu-control-center (from
>>>> 
>> lubuntu-control-center_0.1_all.deb)
>> 
>>>> ...
>>>> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of
>>>> 
>> lubuntu-control-center:
>> 
>>>>  lubuntu-control-center depends on desktopcouch; however:
>>>>   Package desktopcouch is not installed.
>>>> dpkg: error processing lubuntu-control-center (--install):
>>>>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
>>>> Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ...
>>>> Errors were encountered while processing:
>>>>  lubuntu-control-center
>>>>
>>>> So I tried to install desktoptouch and got this:
>>>>
>>>> sudo apt-get install desktopcouch
>>>> Reading package lists... Done
>>>> Building dependency tree
>>>> Reading state information... Done
>>>> You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these:
>>>> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>>>>  desktopcouch : Depends: couchdb-bin (>= 0.10.0-0ubuntu3) but it is not
>>>> going to be installed
>>>> Depends: python-couchdb (>= 0.6) but it is not going to
>>>> 
>> be
>> 
>>>> installed
>>>> Depends: python-twisted-core but it is not going to be
>>>> installed
>>>> Depends: python-avahi but it is not going to be
>>>> 
>> installed
>> 
>>>> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
>>>> 
>> specify
>> 
>>>> a solution).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5 September 2010 23:10, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> I know there was something in the work but here is now my version of a
>>>>&g

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Control Center

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 06.09.2010 13:01, schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:43:04 +0200
> Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>   
>> New Version is out (0.2):
>>
>> 
> That’s better :) 
> Amazing how working software falls apart when released into the wild.
>   
>> I will create a launchpad entry if there is any interest in continuing
>> this app ;)
>>
>> 
> A good idea, as it will make bug tracking and translation easier.
>   
Here it is : launchpad.net/lubuntu-control-center
Hopefully Autotranslatescan finds the right translation files ;)

> Having had a look at LXDE based distros from Mandriva and Suse, both of which 
> have 'control centres', this is a very welcome and important addition.  It 
> should make setting up and customisation a lot easier then it presently is, 
> searching through menus for bits here and there.
>
> If anybody is feeling ambitious, porting YaST to (L)Ubuntu would be wonderful 
> :P
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 10.10 Beta1 2 Bugs: Remasterys & Network Manager

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Am 08.09.2010 16:02, schrieb Pierre Yahoo:
> Julien & Others,
>
> I was very impressed with Lubuntu Lucid... very stable & opened
> everything I threw at it.
>
> 10.10 Beta1:
> Installing Remastersys failed (latest sourceforge version
> 2.0.17-1.deb).  GDebi error: ... did not recognize flags.
See the GDebi Thread. Its a known bug in GDebi use sudo dpkg -i
 to install it.
>
> Lucid & Maverick Network Manager
> Network Manager (perhaps Applet in LXPanel)
> The only instability issue I had in Lucid (will probably be the same
> in Maverick) is the Network Manager.  It failed to connect to the
> Internet (wired) on a number of occasions.
If network-manager seems to fail you can always try to ditch it and
manually configure network. 
>
> Tried to reinstall and various other things without success.  Now, I
> have no access to Edit and VPN Connection windows (clicking on the
> options does not open the window)... i.e. cannot change anything or
> redo the connection if it fails.
>
> It is a MAJOR PROBLEM as a computer without network access is useless.
>
> Was not able to reinstall... not sure what to reinstall exactly... or
> got message that program was being used.  It is probably a simple fix
> but if you do not know it, you have to reinstall everything.
>
> What and how do I reinstall it exactly (including how and which
> 'program in used' to terminate) to fix this problem?
> Could not seem to find the correct answer in forums.
network-manager-gnome is the package that needs to be reinstalled. If it
isn't working try searching the Ubuntu Bug Tracker for the error that
matches your experience. If you don't find any please report it as a new
bug.
>
> Thanks.  Great Work!


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Evince?

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Am 08.09.2010 16:16, schrieb Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset:
> Ok, that seems to me a lot of good reasons.
> I'm giving Evince a try now and surprise! start of the program was very
> fast! but it consumes about 10mb more of ram than epdf (regardless of the
> zooming problem).
> And scrolling is slow and 'hard' (don't know how to describe it); in epdf
> scrolling was so smouth!!
> I don't really know how to *tell* (explain it) to Evince developers to look
> at the 'scrolling thing' of their program vs epdf... maybe if they could
> take a look at epdf's code this could get improved.
>   
You can set the scrolling to your liking in the preferences.
> --
> jpxsat
> Ubuntu user #29.157
>
>   
>
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[Lubuntu-desktop] lxkeymap, an app to switch keyboard layout easily

[Leszek Lesner]

Hi,

I wrote a little app called lxkeymap to switch the keyboard layout very
easily from a graphical window.
It would be nice if you can test it and give me some feedback. There are
also some keymaps still missing, mainly because I don't have an image of
the keymap (see the keymap image on the right in the application).
If you want to add a new keymap please try to edit one of the images
(stored in /usr/share/lxkeymap/media/keymap) with Gimp or any other
image editing tool. The font I used in the images is Sans.

You can get the app from here: http://zevenos.com/files/lxkeymap_0.1_all.deb



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lxkeymap, an app to switch keyboard layout easily

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Hi,

here is the newest version of LXKeymap 0.2 .
It comes with an expert mode allowing for setting very much every keymap
and variant known to the system.
I also updated some common keymaps and variants.
Here some screenshots:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344591/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344603/

and the deb:

http://zevenos.com/files/lxkeymap_0.2_all.deb

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lxkeymap, an app to switch keyboard layout easily

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 14.09.2010 18:24, schrieb PCMan:
> Looks interesting.
> Do you have any online repository for your source code?
>   
Not yet, I think I will upload the code to launchpad.
Its written in python so basically the sourcecode is included :)

> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> here is the newest version of LXKeymap 0.2 .
>> It comes with an expert mode allowing for setting very much every keymap
>> and variant known to the system.
>> I also updated some common keymaps and variants.
>> Here some screenshots:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344591/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344603/
>>
>> and the deb:
>>
>> http://zevenos.com/files/lxkeymap_0.2_all.deb
>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lxkeymap, an app to switch keyboard layout easily

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 14.09.2010 21:30, schrieb Leszek Lesner:
> Am 14.09.2010 18:24, schrieb PCMan:
>   
>> Looks interesting.
>> Do you have any online repository for your source code?
>>   
>> 
> Not yet, I think I will upload the code to launchpad.
> Its written in python so basically the sourcecode is included :)
>   

You can find lxkeymap now on : https://launchpad.net/lxkeymap
>   
>> On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> here is the newest version of LXKeymap 0.2 .
>>> It comes with an expert mode allowing for setting very much every keymap
>>> and variant known to the system.
>>> I also updated some common keymaps and variants.
>>> Here some screenshots:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344591/
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/38932...@n00/4986344603/
>>>
>>> and the deb:
>>>
>>> http://zevenos.com/files/lxkeymap_0.2_all.deb
>>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 20.09.2010 15:31, schrieb Gilles:
> At 15:08 20/09/2010, Yorvyk wrote:
>> Lubuntu, like all variations of Ubuntu/Debian, can support any
>> written language on the planet and at least one not from earth,
>> Klingon :) How complete the translations are varies, but, French
>> appears to be quite complete.
>
> Thanks guys for the confirmation.
>
> Using the Windows utility PendriveLinux Universal USB Installer, I
> successfully burned Lubuntu on a USB key and booted a test host with it.
>
> However, I can't get to choose the language for UI + keyboard: The
> "Advanced Options" menu is empty.
>
> Also, ideally, I'd rather the user didn't have to do anything, and
> Lubuntu would just start in French. Asking them to append some switch
> to the boot command-line won't do it.

Appending this bootoptions should work:  locale=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyb=fr
klayout=fr
Btw. for a french keyboard layout there is still lxkeymap avaiable that
allows you to switch your keymap after booting. (see the lxkeymap thread)
Language can be also configured and switched after booting with the
language setup tool in preferences.

>
> Thank you.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 22.09.2010 19:51, schrieb Gilles:
> At 19:05 22/09/2010, Gilles wrote:
>> Oops, spoke too soon: The UI does start in French, but the keyboard
>> is US :-/
Try adding console-setup/layoutcode=fr aswell to the boot options. It
works here with a german keyboard layout and Lubuntu 10.04.
Lubuntu 10.10 Beta 1 has still a bug (upstream actually) that doesn't
change the xorg keyboard layout. You can set it to french by either
using my tool called lxkeymap (see lxkeymap thread on the mailinglist)
or by typing in "setxkbmap fr" in a terminal.
>
> Incidently, when I open a terminal console, "su -" to root, and type
> "loadkeys fr", it says nothing but doesn't change to FR.
>
> I checked the wiki, but it was no help solving the issue:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/LanguageSupport
>
>
> Does someone know what the procedure is to install a different locale
> in Lubuntu so that it'll work in both Xorg and in command-line apps?
>
> Here's a screenshot of the Language dialog: Since French is listed
> first, I would expect the FR keyboard to work. Am I missing some modules?
>
> http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2048/lubuntuchangelocale.png
>
> Thank you. 
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 22.09.2010 22:11, schrieb Gilles:
> At 21:10 22/09/2010, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>> Try adding console-setup/layoutcode=fr aswell to the boot options
>
> Thanks a lot, it worked :-)
>
> To sum up, here's what I appended to \\USB\syslinux\text.cfg:
>
> locale=fr_FR.UTF-8 keyb=fr klayout=fr console-setup/layoutcode=fr
>
> One more question related to the UI: Since I still don't know how to
> make this USB key persistent, I also need to configure the boot
> options so that X starts in 1024x...@75hz, ie. the equivalent of
> running this once X is up and running:
>
> xrandr -s 1024x768 -r 75
As Xorg uses autodetection I think it isn't possible without an
persistent usb stick.
For enabling persitency with a file on a fat32 formatted stick you need
to create a file with dd with you preffered persistent file size and
then simply format this with ext2/3 or 4 or whatever filesystem you
like. Rename the file to casper-rw and add "persistence" to your boot
options.
Alternatively you can resize the fat32 portion of your filesystem on
your stick and add a ext2/3 or 4 formatted filesystem to it with the
label casper-rw to enable full persistency. For only activate
persistency for your home directory (this wouldn't solve your xorg
resolution problem though) replace casper-rw with home-rw.

Here are commands summed up.

1. DD (2GB Persistency Image):
 dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw bs=1024
count=2000
2. Format the persistent image
 mkfs.ext2 /media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw
3. Add persistent to your bootoptions
4. Reboot

Hope this helps you :)

>
> Does someone know how to do this?
>
> Thank you.
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 22.09.2010 23:34, schrieb Gilles:
> At 23:21 22/09/2010, Leszek Lesner wrote:
> Here are commands summed up.
>
>> 1. DD (2GB Persistency Image):
>>  dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw bs=1024
>> count=2000
>> 2. Format the persistent image
>>  mkfs.ext2 /media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw
>> 3. Add persistent to your bootoptions
>> 4. Reboot
>
> Thanks again. I'll try that tomorrow morning and report back.
>
> Out of curiosity, what does Linux save in this second partition, used
> for persistence between reboots? Is it just a symlink to /etc?
> I currently use a 1GB stick, so I was thinking of booting Linux from
> the hard-disk/CD, shrink the current Linux on the USB stick to make
> room for the persistent partition, and create/format a 200MB ext2
> partition for persistent data.
Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing
with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with
apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Gparted to running USB key?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.09.2010 14:03, schrieb Gilles:
> Hello
>
> I need to resize an NTFS partition that contains XPSP3. Since I have a
> working Lubuntu live USB key, I was wondering if I could just run
> apt-get to install Gparted and its dependencies, instead of burning
> the Gparted live ISO?
>
> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
You can just install gparted on your lubuntu live usb stick.
>
> Thank you.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.09.2010 15:23, schrieb Goh Lip:
> On Thursday 23,September,2010 08:55 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
>> Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing
>> with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with
>> apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder.
>
> How about kernel upgrades (as in 2.6.35-22-generic from
> 2.6.35-21-generic), does that keep that too? If not, how to endure it
> does or at least how to make sure the new kernel boots up the next time?

Kernel changes will be also changed but only in the persistency file.
As the bootloader normaly searches for a vmlinuz and initrd on the fat32
portion of a usb stick, you need to replace the old vmlinuz and initrd
files on your usb sticks casper directory.
>
> Regards - Goh Lip
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

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Am 23.09.2010 16:01, schrieb Gilles:
> At 15:46 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote:
>> Hopefully there is no need to do a update-initramfs -u, but I'll
>> watch out for it.
>
> What does "update-initramfs -u"?
It updates or recreates the initrd.
>
>> Wonderful, you gave me an idea. I'll have to give it a try next
>> time.  - My Lubuntu is a 'real install' on a usb stick, but I am not
>> complaining! It is far far better than a live stick.
>
> What's a "real install on a USB stick", and how does it differ from a
> "live stick"? Do you mean that the former is persistent, while the
> latter is the default ISO image?
Real Install is the same as installing on harddrive. So after installing
you can work like on a "real" system with your own username and
configurations saved to usb stick. The root partition is mounted rw and
not compressed. In contrast to this a  Live Stick means running a live
system mounted on a read only compressed squashfs image which only
allows to save changes via a seperate rw filesystem.  
>
> BTW, instead of making the USB key persistent, I'm really looking at
> how to boot with the current image, perform apt-get to
> add/update/remove packages, save this running instance into an
> external ISO, so that I can flash a bunch of USB keys with all my
> users need. Does someone have information on how to do this with Lubuntu?
This is called remastering (rebuilding the ISO with customized apps).
Try to search something on the net there are thousands of tutorials.
I might also do a quick video tutorial in my next Lubuntu Screencast if
you whish .
>
> Thank you. 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.09.2010 16:44, schrieb Gilles:
> At 16:30 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote:
>> But just to add or elaborate, what I did was to install Lubuntu like
>> to a hard disk but it is to a usb stick instead. That's the whole
>> explanation. The advantages are that, of course, there is no need for
>> persistent or casper-rw, and things should process faster. There
>> might be some things to watch out for, like setting grub to hard disk
>> instead of to the usb stick, as some have found out.
>
> Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the
> current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the
> Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I
> need, and I should look at "remastering" the ISO from the customized,
> running USB key.
>
>> Normally, at every kernel change, the system will, besides updating
>> the grub menu or grub.cfg, it will create both the  initrd and
>> syslink and /vmlinuz and syslink to /root. However, until recently, I
>> noticed Lubuntu was not doing this, as compared to ubuntu and
>> kubuntu. Also even if it does this now, we had to take care that it
>> is done to the casper directory instead and named properly, as Leszek
>> has just pointed out to me just now.
>
> BTW, does someone know exactly how initrd.(gz|lz) is built? Am I
> correct in thinking it's just grabbing everything in /lib/modules/ and
> compressing them in a single file?
Its grabbing the modules it needs plus the init script
(/usr/share/initramfs-tools/) and for livecds also the casper scripts.
(/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts & /usr/share/capser)  

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 23.09.2010 16:49, schrieb Bob Trevithick:
>> Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the current
>> Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the Menu, add a
>> couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need, and I should
>> look at "remastering" the ISO from the customized, running USB key.
>> 
> I'm quite a bit over my head here, compared to the others, but if
> you're running on a read/write USB device, why can't you add and
> remove packages like you normally would on any other disk?   Just a
> thought. :)
>   
A live usb stick runs from a highly compressed read only image
(filesystem.squashfs) stored on a rewritable fat partition.
So you can write changes to the fat portion of the usb stick but not to
the highly compressed image.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Bug: Missing some driver files for Broadcom wireless 4321

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Am 29.09.2010 19:33, schrieb Pierre Yahoo:
> Hi,
>
> I cannot get any wireless networks.  I tried to install the drivers
> for it through Preferences>Hardware Drivers but the process stalls
> because some files/dependencies are missing:
>
> W: Échec de la récupération de
> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.4/gcc-4.4_4.4.4-14ubuntu4_i386.deb
>
>   404  Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.40 80]
>
>
> W: Échec de la récupération de
> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.4/libstdc++6-4.4-dev_4.4.4-14ubuntu4_i386.deb
>
>   404  Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.40 80]
>
>
> W: Échec de la récupération de
> http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gcc-4.4/g++-4.4_4.4.4-14ubuntu4_i386.deb
>
>   404  Not Found [IP : 91.189.88.40 80]
>
> The files are associated with Synaptic's:
> broadcom-sta-source
>
> It cannot be installed properly.  A lot of people will not get
> wireless unless this is fixed.  Is there a way around?
>
>
> Thanks.
You need a internet connection and an up to date repository listing.
(With LAN connection do a apt-get update and rerun hardwar drivers manager)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 02.10.2010 03:33, schrieb Bob Trevithick:
>> I really hope that it can be removed from the system, or it can be turned 
>> off in a sane way.
>> BTW, in the past usplash always work on my box, but plymouth is really 
>> problematic.
>> 
> I'm over my head here, but I've heard others say that this thing is
> like a cancer that has metathesized throughout the entire system.
> That the dependencies make it almost impossible to remove.
>   
Thats not true. I debugged the plymouth package in Debian for my latest
release of ZevenOS-Neptune and I can say, it works very fine with free
software drivers. With proprietary Softwaredrivers you need to attact
vga=792 or another high resolution highcolor mode for it to work.
Crashes of plymouth should not affect booting.
Deleting it is no problem.
> I sincerely hope this isn't true.
>
> I booted some system the other day, I forget what it was, and it just
> printed the text "Booting, please wait.."
>
> What a joy that was.  It looked so professional compared to the mess
> we've been seeing for so long now.
>
>   :-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 02.10.2010 21:12, schrieb Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset:
> Since Lubuntu is intended for low specs machines, 'splashscreen' could be
> just a text saying 'Lubuntu' and in the line under that one, 5 'o' appearing
> in a set of time, so it makes consistence with the idea of the distro (and
> trully think that this would me a lot easier to do and time saving to
> startup).
>   
Just look at the plymouth text plugin.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 02.10.2010 22:24, schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 20:37:20 +0100
> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>
>   
>> Hiyas,
>>
>> just my 2 cents worth.
>>
>> 
>> Lubuntu does not need a 'fancy' boot screen, it delays the booting and uses
>> resources on older (as in low spec RAM / CPU) machines. Lubuntu is
>> *not* Xubuntu,
>> and we should never try to be so. I've just had a report that the cd does
>> not want to work with our previous minimal RAM setting for using Ubiquity of
>> 160MB. The slide shows in ubiquity may have caused a problem, or Ubiquity
>> may have gotten more bloated. I am only reporting back what has been
>> reported.
>>
>> How are we to spread lubuntu, that needs 128MB of RAM if you cannot install
>> it unless you have something like 256MB?
>>
>> 
> Some findings, relating to installation.
> With a video card the latest beta installs with 160 MiB on a 700MHz machine 
> but, very slowly, around four hours . Some 8 hours quicker than OpenSUSE 
> LXDE.  At 384 MiB Lubuntu is down to just under 2 hours, some 8 hours quicker 
> than OpenSUSE LXDE, while Fedora takes just an hour.
> For some reason more than 256MiB of RAM is needed for Lubuntu to install with 
> Intel on board video.
>   
Perhaps the on board intel card uses the system ram as share
> I think we need a text based installer.
>   
There is the Debian-Installer textbased that is also used for
networkinstalls or minimum installs avaiable. The only thing an
alternate Lubuntu CD needs is an full lubuntu repository on the cd
besides the debian-installer aswell.
A combined Installation and Live Media would be also very nice. The
Debian-Live-Installer which also offers a textbased minimum ram usage
installer is still in development but might be considered
> I’ll experiment a bit more, if my patience doesn’t run out :)
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

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Am 03.10.2010 01:08, schrieb Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset:
> First: Isn't there a way to get a text based splashcreen without plymouth??
>   
You need something similiar as plymouth. And as I sad plymouth already
has a text plugin which is doing exact the same which you want to have.
> it would result a faster boot! (and less complicated?)
>   
I doubt that it will be a lot faster. Plymouth isn't in any way
complicated.
There is just a plymouth Daemon started at the preinit stage and this
one blocks the normal "text" output on TTy1 and blends in a splash (no
matter which plugin you use, if text or real graphics or even simple movie)
 
> Second: a text based installer seems to me an excellent idea to make the
> installation fast, since many of us and the rest of the possible users of
> lubuntu would possibly use it to revamp an old machine!!
> Third: the text based installer should be by default and exist no other.
> Doing this, then we will not be dependent of some things that goes nuts, or
> another ones that are consuming much ram AND the install would be FAST.
>
> It's just my humble opinion :)
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 03.10.2010 00:18, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
> And to be back to the initial problem (plymouth) : 
> sadly, there was no work on plymouth integration for Ubuntu for this
> cycle, which not help for its stability.
>
> If removing it from the system seems possible, removing it from the
> Lubuntu ISO seems less easier.
>   
Just remove plymouth and rebuild initrd would work. But I think you mean
in the building process of the ISO. (btw. is it anywhere documented ?)
> Anyway, it's something we could discuss for the next release.
>   
Before complete removing it I would suggest simply to activate the
text-plugin instead of the graphics intense animated image splash.
This one works without drm so even proprietary drivers would display the
same text-output as their free counterparts.
I have experience in ZevenOS-Neptune with it and it works fine on every
pc even the very old ones.
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] marketing

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 07.10.2010 11:37, schrieb Rafael Laguna:
> Marketing updated. Any suggestion?
>   
The 10.04 CD Wallet Images look way cooler and prettier than the 10.10s.
Maybe you can add a "shiny" "glossy" effect to them also.
Everything else seems to be fine. I like the bigger Web buttons :)
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] marketing

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 07.10.2010 14:35, schrieb Rafael Laguna:
> Due to popular demand (3 mails :D) I've replaced the cd wallet mockups
> by another ones that match better the desktop schemes. Have a look:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing
>
>   
Nice work ;)
>   
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu on Intel and i586

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 15.10.2010 06:20, schrieb Ben Coleman:
> On 10/14/2010 07:24 PM, Benny Hult wrote:
> > But it lacks with packages if you compare to Lubuntu.
> > Hope we can see you using Lubuntu still in the future, becouse the grass
> > ain't greener on the other side of the fence ;)
>
> Well, turns out that my other Lubuntu candidate (A Compaq Armada 7800
> running a PII/266) is i686-class despite being slower than the AMD, so
> Lubuntu 10.10 should run OK on it, if I can manage to burn a Lubuntu
> CD-R that it will read (the CDROM reader on this machine tends to be a
> bit finicky, and it's old enough that I don't think that it will boot
> from USB Flash).
There is a trick to it. You must create a Live-CD and a Live USB Stick.
Pop in the CD and try booting from the cd until you see the bootmenu.
Stick in the USB Live Stick.
Now you need to act fast. Press Enter to boot. Wait until the message
Loading xyz ... displays on your screen. Now pop out the cd-rom and it
will then boot from usb key.
It's a nice trick to get any computer with cdrom drive boot from usb.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu on Intel and i586

[Leszek Lesner]

Am 15.10.2010 19:40, schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:51:42 +0200
> Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>   
>> Am 15.10.2010 06:20, schrieb Ben Coleman:
>> 
>>> On 10/14/2010 07:24 PM, Benny Hult wrote:
>>>   
>>>> But it lacks with packages if you compare to Lubuntu.
>>>> Hope we can see you using Lubuntu still in the future, becouse the grass
>>>> ain't greener on the other side of the fence ;)
>>>> 
>>> Well, turns out that my other Lubuntu candidate (A Compaq Armada 7800
>>> running a PII/266) is i686-class despite being slower than the AMD, so
>>> Lubuntu 10.10 should run OK on it, if I can manage to burn a Lubuntu
>>> CD-R that it will read (the CDROM reader on this machine tends to be a
>>> bit finicky, and it's old enough that I don't think that it will boot
>>> from USB Flash).
>>>   
>> There is a trick to it. You must create a Live-CD and a Live USB Stick.
>> Pop in the CD and try booting from the cd until you see the bootmenu.
>> Stick in the USB Live Stick.
>> Now you need to act fast. Press Enter to boot. Wait until the message
>> Loading xyz ... displays on your screen. Now pop out the cd-rom and it
>> will then boot from usb key.
>> It's a nice trick to get any computer with cdrom drive boot from usb.
>>
>> 
> Try as I might I cannot get that to work
>   
Doesn't it detect the usb stick or does it fail even to go into init ?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu on Intel and i586

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Am 15.10.2010 21:02, schrieb Yorvyk:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:51:51 +0200
> Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>
>   
>> Am 15.10.2010 19:40, schrieb Yorvyk:
>> 
>>> On Fri, 15 Oct 2010 10:51:42 +0200
>>> Leszek Lesner  wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Am 15.10.2010 06:20, schrieb Ben Coleman:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/14/2010 07:24 PM, Benny Hult wrote:
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>> But it lacks with packages if you compare to Lubuntu.
>>>>>> Hope we can see you using Lubuntu still in the future, becouse the grass
>>>>>> ain't greener on the other side of the fence ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Well, turns out that my other Lubuntu candidate (A Compaq Armada 7800
>>>>> running a PII/266) is i686-class despite being slower than the AMD, so
>>>>> Lubuntu 10.10 should run OK on it, if I can manage to burn a Lubuntu
>>>>> CD-R that it will read (the CDROM reader on this machine tends to be a
>>>>> bit finicky, and it's old enough that I don't think that it will boot
>>>>> from USB Flash).
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>> There is a trick to it. You must create a Live-CD and a Live USB Stick.
>>>> Pop in the CD and try booting from the cd until you see the bootmenu.
>>>> Stick in the USB Live Stick.
>>>> Now you need to act fast. Press Enter to boot. Wait until the message
>>>> Loading xyz ... displays on your screen. Now pop out the cd-rom and it
>>>> will then boot from usb key.
>>>> It's a nice trick to get any computer with cdrom drive boot from usb.
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> Try as I might I cannot get that to work
>>>   
>>>   
>> Doesn't it detect the usb stick or does it fail even to go into init ?
>>
>>
>> 
> Doesn’t see detect the USB stick.
>
>   
Hmm... then it shouldn't even detect usb sticks after a complete boot
from livecd. Is this correct ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

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I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. 
Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, because 
it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel process 
which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version of yours. I 
even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. 

Julien Lavergne  schrieb:

>On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:26:31 +0100
>Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>
>> Hi Julien,
>> 
>> I know you are always pressed for time, but we could really do with a text
>> based install for lubuntu. A couple of people on earlier use PCMIA cards
>> from their elderly laptops for ethernet and the mini-iso does not see them
>> correctly.
>
>Well, it's not as easy as creating the normal iso. I didn't find any useful 
>documentation about this. I'll continue to work on this, but I need to focus 
>on Natty developpement now. At least, the minimal install can do the same job.
>
>Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

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Am 18.10.2010 10:59, schrieb Leszek Lesner:
> I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a repo. 
> Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system, because 
> it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel process 
> which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version of yours. 
> I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error. 
>   
Ah and btw. I forgot to mention as the base system is already bootable I
was able to skip installing the tasksel process and installing grub
which allowed my to boot and then install manually with apt-get install
lubuntu-desktop the lubuntu desktop system completely from the cd repo.
> Julien Lavergne  schrieb:
>
>   
>> On Sat, 16 Oct 2010 23:26:31 +0100
>> Phill Whiteside  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hi Julien,
>>>
>>> I know you are always pressed for time, but we could really do with a text
>>> based install for lubuntu. A couple of people on earlier use PCMIA cards
>>> from their elderly laptops for ethernet and the mini-iso does not see them
>>> correctly.
>>>   
>> Well, it's not as easy as creating the normal iso. I didn't find any useful 
>> documentation about this. I'll continue to work on this, but I need to focus 
>> on Natty developpement now. At least, the minimal install can do the same 
>> job.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Julien Lavergne
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