Re: Lutes made to thin

2003-09-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
Michael didn't realize that the message I sent him didn't go to the list. Here is the relevant passage: The main question is this: does a lute maker copy an instrument = exactly (flaws and all) and then translate those measurements etc. into an exact replica of the historical lute? or does

Re: Where to find the Cancienero palacio?

2003-09-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
I doubt you'd ever buy it, because of your PC politics. It is published by Francisco Franco Foundation: http://www.casadellibro.com/fichas/fichabiblio/0,1094,290553253,00.html Thanks! I did not understand your joke(?) of my PC politics. I guess you are not familiar with

Re: Newbie to the lute

2003-09-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
I don't like the word imitation. I had a teacher once who told me, imitation is the compliment mediocrity pays to genius. Giorgio Vasari would disagree, and he did, describing repeatedly how one genius imitated another. It worked very well in Arts in the days of yore, and a phrase he

Re: Three lutenists

2003-09-23 Thread Roman Turovsky
Three lutenists(!), but who is the painter? And when? http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/wikla/mus/LutePics/uusia/kukalie.jpg There are 4. Well, there is also a group of 3 in a group of 4. Actually there are 4 different groups of 3's there! ;-) What are you talking about? There are 4 lutenists.

Re: Baroque pitch

2003-09-24 Thread Roman Turovsky
When I was visiting the Yale Museum of Instruments this past summer, = I had an interesting conversation with the curator about Baroque 415 = pitch. He said that Baroque pitch ranged from country and city anywhere = from 300 something up to I believe around 560, (I can't remember =

sarmatica

2003-09-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
Dear e-friends, et e-amis, I just added 2 more Renaissance Lute intabulations of Ukrainian folk-songs at http://polyhymnion.org/torban Enjoy, Amities, RT

Re: vallet

2003-10-07 Thread Roman Turovsky
MO, your own business practices are so far removed from being kosher, that your moralization is nothing more than a joke that outlived its punch-line. Yes I know. I admit it and I hang my head down with abject shame. Abject poverty of heart and mind, but not shame, I'm afraid RT

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
I will discreetly limit myself to relay that your reputation 'round Moscow is that of a shyster and shiromyzhnik [sic!]. RT At 01:17 PM 10/10/2003 -0400, Roman Turovsky I got it. Must be the pimp. Reread: We all understand that MO sermon on morality is equivalent to one given on chastity

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
I will discreetly limit myself to relay that your reputation 'round Moscow is that of a shyster and shiromyzhnik [sic!]. In that case, you resort to slander by innuendo, since you will not say exactly who in Moscow said anything about me, and how reliable that opinion was. Obviously, you

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
You're right Roman, I shouldn't waist a single second with this Clinton's fan. Actually Bill doesn't deserve this. I always liked Clinton, AND he plays sax, and has joie de vivre. RT

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
At 04:08 PM 10/10/2003 -0400, Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will discreetly limit myself to relay that your reputation 'round Moscow is that of a shyster and shiromyzhnik [sic!]. In that case, you resort to slander by innuendo, since you will not say exactly who in Moscow said

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
At 03:25 PM 10/10/2003 -0400, Roman Turovsky wrote: material. Access to printed lute music is not an unalienable human right. Like it or not, music is not bread...or freedom. To some it's both. Of course, you are correct...to a certain degree. But again, I was not trying to address

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
Sir: Theres really nothing that I can add to the already cogent statements made by Matanya about this matter, other than to tell you that what you are doing is stealing. Joe, we're mostly grown-ups here, and we have already figured out that the matter of this discussion wasn't that, since all

torbanistica

2003-10-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have just posted the Poznan Museum Torban spec sheet by Alicja Knast at http://polyhymnion.org/torban The link is in Chapter III for those interested. RT

Re: Reflexe CD's (O'Dette - Smith Italian Duets)

2003-10-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
Have they fixed the heat yet in the classical cd section? I was really depressed when I was there about a week ago - it was about 200 degrees and they had a very bare selection. They had the hits (YoYo etc...) but not much else -- and no HMV either! It's good to hear they are getting in some

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
Roman is very careful to avoid specifics. For two reasons: he does not know anything about my actual dealings with composers, and should he make one specific claim here that he could not substantiate, he knows I could take him to the cleaners. Clean thyself first. Some explanation of

OFF TOPIC: Laude

2003-10-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
A question to our medievalists: I an trying to track down the music to the Lauda Figlio, occhi jucundi, Figlio, co' non rispundi? ? The ancient LP it's on only says dal Pianto della Madonna di Jacopone di Todi. Jacopone (c.1228/1236-1306) wrote 92 laude texts. Seven of his laude survive with

Re: Reflexe CD's (O'Dette - Smith Italian Duets)

2003-10-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
Roman, I note that you refer to the Village Tower in response to someone (haven't got the headers straightened out) who went to a Cambridge Tower. May I assume that is the US Cambridge, and that the Village Tower might be in NYC? Yes. NYC has 2 Towers, Village and Lincoln Center. The latter

Re: MO's attacks. Final, para mi

2003-10-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
__ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org From: arielabramovich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 19:05:59 +0200 bring back the exchange to a decent point. Just a proposition. I'm 27, if that matters. A My twins are 3 1/2, and they are now into

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
There?s really nothing that I can add to the already cogent statements made by Matanya about this matter, other than to tell you that what you are doing is stealing. Joe, we're mostly grown-ups here, and we have already figured out that the matter of this discussion wasn't that, since all

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
Roman It matters not a jot if Matanya were the devil incarnate. We're not dealing in personalities, here, but with a moral dilemma. Indeed. And it is essentially: Should we listen to a lecture on Armenian culture by an Ottoman Turk? What this gentleman is doing - in the name of musicians

Re: MO's attacks

2003-10-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
Roman It matters not a jot if Matanya were the devil incarnate. We're not dealing in personalities, here, but with a moral dilemma. Indeed. And it is essentially: Should we listen to a lecture on Armenian culture by an Ottoman Turk? What this gentleman is doing - in the name of musicians

Re: The cost of lute music

2003-10-13 Thread Roman Turovsky
I once looked into the price of high quality paper in 16th century Augsburg, paper of the kind one would use to copy lute music. A ream of folio sized paper (about 9x12) in Augsburg cost the equivalent of a kitchen servant's monthly salary. Today a ream of highest quality paper could be

Re: Dowland

2003-10-15 Thread Roman Turovsky
Do we know if the Lachrimrae were ever done as a dance? Or were they purely an instrumental performance piece? Would you also consider a choreography to JSBach's Agnus Dei form the b-minor Mass RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org

Re: Dowland

2003-10-16 Thread Roman Turovsky
was used in many settings. --- Roman Turovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we know if the Lachrimrae were ever done as a dance? Or were they purely an instrumental performance piece? Would you also consider a choreography to JSBach's Agnus Dei form the b-minor Mass RT

Re: Holbein, addendum

2003-10-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
Deum is it a coincidence? No, he's playing with ideas and symbols, some of them obvious (like the second) some completely inaudible (like the first). But when we discover these things, we can be sure they were done for a reason and that there may well be more features of the same kind which

Re: How long can a lute last?

2003-10-24 Thread Roman Turovsky
But as with wine, no amount of age will turn an indifferent one into a good one. I've found that with wine, many an indifferent one has been turned into a good one. Tim Kuntz And later to vinegar. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org

Re: How long can a lute last?

2003-10-24 Thread Roman Turovsky
There are recordings on original lutes by Johannes Vogt, Viggo Mangor, Tony Bailes et al. All these lutes (including Smith on Widhalm) sound like nothing-to-write-home-about. RT Dear Michael and All: I have an old vinyl recording of Hopkinson Smith playing a period baroque lute, and it sounds

Re: new amazon search service...

2003-10-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
..OR more ways to fritter away your time. They have added a full text search. Enter a keyword in the search box and it will not only search title and author, but the entire text (at least the text of the 120,000 books they saythey have entered). You don't have to do anything extra to get this.

Re: new amazon search service...

2003-10-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
__ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org amusing to sit and enter things like theorbo or Barbara Strozzi and see some of the books that come up. .Bob One book that came up on theorbo, Jan Potocki's Manuscript found at Saragossa is recommended

Re: Non-glue construction.

2003-10-27 Thread Roman Turovsky
Why would you want to build a lute without glue? how would you assemble the ribs? The idea sounds crazy if you ask me.and I see no benefit, even if it were possible Bruno Herbert Ward wrote: Is it possible to build a good lute using screws instead of glue? Many years ago Eph

Re: Costume Ball in Winter Palace, 1903

2003-10-28 Thread Roman Turovsky
This message may or may not be spam as you might have suspected. The event in question was one of the most elaborate costumed balls in history and was prepared with EXTREME iconographic authenticity as all attendees were obliged to be in 17th cent. costumes. I recall a photo of one guest with a

Re: Who stole the K'berg MS? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-10-31 Thread Roman Turovsky
I'll continuie in the next message with an account of how the Koenigsberg Manuscript really found its way to Vilnius. Sorry, McCoy. No KGB. No CIA. No FBI. No Agent 007. Just a team of Lithuanian patriots. Sigitas Silinskas's pals. AJN Actually KGB has a hand in this story, albeit

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-01 Thread Roman Turovsky
Continued.Dear McCoy,He's Stewart. Stewart McCoy! This has never been doubted. RT == Dear Roman, I meant no disrespect. Mr.(?) Ms.(?) S.Walsh doesn't understand that using a person's last name is a form of affectionate address over here. Charlotte

OT: Why was the K'berg MS stolen?

2003-11-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
It is interesting what you say about a group of Lithuanians seizing a manuscript of epic poetry from Koenigsberg. In spite of countless invasions from other countries, Lithuanians have managed to preserve their national identity, and books such as these would be very important for them. Their

Re: OT: Why was the K'berg MS stolen?

2003-11-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
Many thanks for your message. You seem unhappy with the idea of Why unhappy? I couldn't care less. Lithuanian being described as the oldest (i.e. the least changed over the years) surviving Indo-European language, but you don't say which modern Indo-European language you think might be

Re: OT: Why was the K'berg MS stolen?

2003-11-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
As I remember my linguistics only Basque and Finnish are languages west of the Caucasian Mountains that aren't in the family. Also Hungarian and Lappish, which along with Finnish belong to the Finno-Ugric family. The other speakers are tribal peoples from east of the Ural mountains. There

Re: OT: Why was the K'berg MS stolen?

2003-11-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
And do not forget the Estonians! They are even joining the EU next spring! I nearly can understand Estonian, but not quite... :-) Perhaps the difference is a little like between Italian and Spain? Quite correct, my apologies to the Estonian people. Caroline Especially considering that

Re: Holding the baroque lute

2003-11-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
Have any of you baroque lute players experimented with holding your instrument with the aid of a solid table as opposed to the traditional crossed leg method, left foot stool method, or strap method? several strap ways, btw. I prefer a strap over my back and left shoulder, only. That way,

FW: L'intavolature degli amici dei Sautscheck

2003-11-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
Some years ago I found an Andante-Moderato by Mozart that EASILY adopted itself for Baroque Lute. At the time I was not in the habit of noting the sources. Anyway, is anyone familiar with the piece (COULD BE for glass harmonica originally, here posted in my facsimile)?:

Re: Why was the K'berg MS stolen? (Was Re: Koenigsberg Manuscript

2003-11-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
Arthur is right. See Kosack's dissertation page 54- and page 91. Rainer adS I don't disagree. I remember an inventory that had some items from JAFWeiss as well as Reichardt, but obviously I mistook it for Kossack's. RT Arthur Ness (boston) wrote: I have a copy of Kosack and will take a look.

Re: Languages and strings

2003-11-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
For what I know, and please correct me if I'm wrong, Basque's origin is not yet 100% clear. Any expert's opinion? Agur, Ariel. In fact it is 100% unclear. RT

Re: CDs

2003-11-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Monteilhet also has 2 excellent CDs on theorbo: one De Visee, and one Bach theorbo transcriptions of cello suites. RT Has anyone mentioned Pascal Montheilhet so far? His Dufaut and Gallot recording on Virgin is really good. It should still be available through amazon.fr, but I think I got my

FW: right arm motion - thumb under

2003-11-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
It only works like this: http://www.liuto-forte.com RT http://liuto-forte.com RT What is a Liuto Forte that KJ recently bought. A loud lute? Michael Thames Luthier www.ThamesClassicalGuitars.com - Original Message - From: Thomas Schall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lautenliste [EMAIL

Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under

2003-11-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
That's a newly developed instrument. Would be very interesting if there would be a higher interest in new music. For early musicians it should be avoided like the devil IMHO. I think Holzenburg's Bach set was recorded on one, although he tastefully minimized the differences. RT It's single

Re: Liuto Forte (was) right arm motion - thumb under

2003-11-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
In a way this simply incorporates some angelique aspects into a baroque lute. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org What the site doesn't mention is Bourgete own tuning for baroque type. He retains the tuning of the first 5 courses FDAFD but begins

Re: sad, sad news

2003-11-08 Thread Roman Turovsky
This is so sad. I never had the opportunity to meet Schroeder, but his recordings with Barto (Weiss) Crawford Young are first rate. His reconstructions of the Weiss duets are absolutely astonishing. Indeed, he was a VERY FINE and CLEVER composer, and I find the quality of his

Just.....

2003-11-12 Thread Roman Turovsky
...when you thought it was safe to go back in the water: There is a new item for Baroque Lute (in MAJOR) at http://polyhymnion.org/torban (page 4, #19) This song comes from a particular region of western Ukraine where the augmented seconds (i.e. those rare and peculiar intervals found in

Re: My return to the list and a little off topic -EMA

2003-11-14 Thread Roman Turovsky
I studied the classical guitar at the Guildhall School of Music in London with Hector Quine. As a student I showed an interest in playing the lute, but my teacher claimed that playing the lute was a failure to accept the challenges of the guitar. Here ended any possible lute career! in fact he

Re: damenstücke

2003-11-17 Thread Roman Turovsky
A lutenist Stewart McCoy, middle-aged, but inside still a boy, Once wrote a charade on his house's facade, now his neighbours are cloyed, oy-oy-oy... RT Though a Roman perusal May meet a refusal, A McCoy-made charade Isn't hard. :-) SAM The perusal will be somewhat taxing, as the

Re: fretted ud

2003-11-19 Thread Roman Turovsky
of the arabic script along the strings and as a title to the illustration. As you say it is an interesting confirmation of Farmer's thesis that the early 'Ud was fretted. Best wishes, David At 9:15 PM -0500 18/11/03, Roman Turovsky wrote: Today my eye has caught a CD

Re: Iconography (was:The Right Hand Revisited)

2003-11-21 Thread Roman Turovsky
I think a lot of the Lutes we use today are overly large. When my Lute was built, the first efforts of a friend and myself at doing this, it was decided, after looking at a lot of Iconography, that the Lutes represented were quite a bit smaller than those popular today. This conclusion was

FW: Tormento ed estasi

2003-11-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
Dear e-friends, I have just posted for your COMPARATIVE perusal and delectation (RENAISSANCE LUTE ONLY) a Polish version of La Mantovana (Ballo Polacco, Danzig MS.???) AND its Ukrainian fraternal twin (originally a fiddle dance tune, intabulated by yours truly). All is on page 4 at

Re: Tormento ed estasi

2003-11-22 Thread Roman Turovsky
AND there is a new item for Baroque Lute as well, #20. RT Dear e-friends, I have just posted for your COMPARATIVE perusal and delectation (RENAISSANCE LUTE ONLY) a Polish version of La Mantovana (Ballo Polacco, Danzig MS.???) AND its Ukrainian fraternal twin (originally a fiddle dance tune,

Re: ren lute scale studies ?

2003-11-24 Thread Roman Turovsky
Try Francesco's La Campagna. :-) Or, at a beginner level: Ein gut preambel by H. Newsidler published by the Lute Society. Honestly, there are hundreds of scales built into pieces. Why not just take those extracts and practice them? Or, make your own up? Indeed, it was Glenn Gould's opinion

Re: fretted ud ?

2003-11-24 Thread Roman Turovsky
The turkish 'ud has never been fretted. same is for any idan from Morocco to Iraq. The only fretted lute they havein Turkey is the Lauta which is different and has a longer neck and different tuning. Turkish Lauta [actually a regional item from Aegean islands and western Anatolia] is a

Re: Website update

2003-11-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Dear All, At long last I have done a minor update on my site. There is a splendid new Piece of the Month (a gremlin has dated it June 2003, but don't let that put you off), plus some new photos in the catalogue sections for 7-9c, 10 11c lutes, and theorbo. I hope you enjoy them - as

Re: Instrument Archaeology [was: fretted ud ?]

2003-11-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Genetically Aborigines show considerable diversity but are quite distinct from groups outside Australia. They came originally from somewhere in Asia and have been in Australia for at least 40,000 years. (In 1990 a date of 60,000 years was suggested [based on the use of a recently developed

Re: [Fronimo_editor] Fromino to PDF conversion

2003-11-25 Thread Roman Turovsky
Alain Veylit has a very detailed description of the entire process on his site. RT I use Ghostscript. It's a piece of shareware that converts Postscript files to PDF. What you'll have to do is set up a printer in Windows that goes to the Acrobat Distiller. This will create your PS file. You

Re: a modest proposal

2003-11-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
The subject line, a modest proposal is from Jonathan Swift. It was a treatise on solving the Irish famine by having the Irish eat their babies. I do hope that Roman doesn't suggest that we survive on eating d-minor lutes. Best, Jon That would be an inevitable alternative to my invitations,

Harmony was: Fretted ud ?

2003-11-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
Not harmonic is a bit of a misnomer. Middle-Eastern music may be harmonious to some ears, but that doesn't make it harmonic. And as a lutenist involved with mean versus equal temperament you should realize that western harmony is a function of compromise and habit. Over the years the

Re: a modest proposal

2003-11-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
That depends on how many thumbs one has, 2 to 10. RT When eating a Baroque Lute, is it proper etiquette to hold your thumb out or under? The subject line, a modest proposal is from Jonathan Swift. It was a treatise on solving the Irish famine by having the Irish eat their babies. I do

Re: WInter Holiday Wishes and possibly Au Revoir

2003-11-26 Thread Roman Turovsky
Greetings Friends! Since it's pretty much the start of the winter holidays in the Americas and ,if I remember correctly, Europe, I thought I would extend warm wishes to all of you in hopes that you have a pleasant, peaceful, and above all, a musical holiday season! Unfortunately ( for me

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
But again: place YOURS and not MINE. That is grossly untrue: It is Bach's and Weyrauch's (i.e. belonging to the World), and you [Albert Reyermann] merely BORROWED it. And your noble purpose has no bearing on this matter. RT

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
Why stop at facsimiles? Why not make all their published music available for free downloading? This would be such a great service to everyone, wouldn't it, because then we wouldn't have the trouble and expense of actually acquiring the books legitimately ourselves. A good and noble idea,

Re: Lute Questions

2003-12-02 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: guy_and_liz Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] I used to be a fairly serious competitive fencer (saber), Really? I fenced saber, in mid 70's RT

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
But again: place YOURS and not MINE. That is grossly untrue: It is Bach's and Weyrauch's (i.e. belonging to the World), and you [Albert Reyermann] merely BORROWED it. And your noble purpose has no bearing on this matter. RT Now, now, it is Mr. Reyermanns FACSIMILE EDITION that he speaks

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Albert, Thanks, that was very clear. I agree with you. Allan Alexander Back in the old country there is a saying: Crows never peck each other's eyes. RT

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
the list. I am compiling a russophone lutenists' directory (53 worldwide) and while it is hard to find contact information, there are a dozen or so lads worth helping. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org - Original Message - From: Roman Turovsky

Re: Facsimeles, etc

2003-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
PLEASE, LET'S SPEAK ABOUT THOSE TOPICS WE KNOW WELL ! Actually I do know a few things about this, having published a book written by my father, and having worked in the industry. It is a real shame that Albert Reyerman had to explain with full details how much work it means publishing (=

Re: Facsimeles, etc

2003-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
Hello Albert, Thanks, that was very clear. I agree with you. Allan Alexander Back in the old country there is a saying: Crows never peck each other's eyes. RT Are you suggesting that I am a publisher of facsimiles? I have no interest in this business. I think that if Albert publishes the

Re: Facsimeles, etc

2003-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
No, but you are believed to be a publisher of commercial ARRANGEMENTS. Not exactly. I self publish a few things for the lute that I WROTE and some that I arranged, melodies that I harmonized and added variations to. There is little market for such material from lutenists. Not the same as

Re: an apologie

2003-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
I wrote you about an hour before I received your first letter, = mistakenly assuming this was your response to my letter, all the time = unaware that someone sent you my first letter from the lute mailing = list. Uncle Albert IS ON the lute-list. There is no benefit of a doubt called for. RT

Re: Facsimiles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
The real challenge for publishers like MO is to be creative in the cover art, editing, and info. quality of paper etc.It's amazing how this Monkey can elevate the physical book itself, above the content. Not in MO's hands. He made the most execrable cover for MoscowWeissMs. RT

Re: RV: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-03 Thread Roman Turovsky
Poor countries and access to resources: It is a difficult matter indeed. What to do about it? I'm in the other end of the spectrum, the one benefited from the free online resources or the donations. And the one doing most illegal actions. I'll tell you what happens down here (Argentina): we

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
No, you are not alone. I suppose people forget that, when we send messages addressed to particular individuals, we are also sending that same message to everyone else on the list. If you aim a bucket of water at someone, everyone else gets soaked in the process. There have been two kinds of

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
As far as name calling goes, As soon as MO rises into the upper = realm of human beings, and starts showing respect for others, and some = civility, I will confer on him the title of Human. Michael Thames Dear Michael, it should have occurred to you that namecalling is not the kind of

Re: RV: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
Yes, and that's why Hoppy comes to Argentina every now and then, we're all very grateful to him for that. What I meant was, I'm not asking for donations for my Conservatory's library or for me, there are no lutenists in Bahia Blanca (700km away from Buenos Aires, 400km away from Mar del

Adopt-a-lutenist

2003-12-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
I've been in contact with Anatoly Shpakov of Kiev. He made a couple of CDs on which I'd rather not comment, except that he uses tennis racket wire on a course or two (he is aware of the difference, after Tony Rooley's concert there a few weeks ago). If anyone of you wants to help him out with

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-04 Thread Roman Turovsky
Here is a little wrench to throw in to the collective works. For arguments sake let us assume that I was to purchase, or otherwise obtain a copy of Mr. Reyerman's publication. Over time, if Iwere to hand copy each piece in the book, what would the collective reaction be if I then

Re: Adopt-a-lutenist

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Excellent, David, Well done. There is another lutenist to adopt (actually 2, father and son). They share a smallish lute of ca.60cm. Nikolay Makarenko Kommunarov, 115, room 7, 35, Krasnodar, RUSSIA phone: (8612) 65-11-89 RT I was just going to send him a set of strings. It'll be long

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Barring obvious cases of tyranny, law should reflect the social norms of a society. Since when tyranny does not reflect the social norms of a society??? There is a maxim: Every people deserves its government. If you feel they do not, strive to change them through proper channels in favor of

Facsimilia Rectificata

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
For your perusal and delectation: I have just posted a TEMPO DI MINUETTO by Georg Christoph Wagenseil at http://polyhymnion.org/swv/opus-2.html It differs in some minor [editorial] details from its facsimile that may be found at http://polyhymnion.org/swv/facs.html Enjoy, RT __ Roman

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
At 09:20 AM 12/5/03 -0500, Roman Turovsky wrote: If you feel they do not, strive to change them through proper channels in favor of breaking them. I don't believe allowing the production and sale of lute tablatures is quite enough to justify a label of tyranny. Production is not questioned

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
I contributed what little I know of this topic very early on and in very short order grew mighty tired of all the scatological nonsense and inappropriate misidentification of hominids to follow (as a professional biologist, this latter offense was particularly troubling). Actually I took an

Re: Recent discoveries (Facsimeles etc.)

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
I'll ask Sasha Batov about this. RT http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg02059.html lute -- Chronological -- Find  -- Thread -- Re: Recent discoveries (Facsimeles etc.) For example, many years ago, I photographed in Leningrad., when it was still Leningrad, a lute

Re: archive

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Well, there are some potential linguistic pitfalls, stemming from the differences between American and British versions of English, as well as considerable differences in thinking patterns: people tend to be A BIT more elliptical in Midlands than in Iowa, and a direct statement American style

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Put another way, and taking the gamut of the list which runs from the professional to the rank amateur, how people see the facsimile is going to be very different, and maybe it would not be a bad idea for the publishers (seeing as two of them are on the list) to explain their market (and I

Re: Copy Rights

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
An additional reason to share facsimilia (from CG list): From: Matanya Ophee [EMAIL PROTECTED] I was able to remove from the market an edition of PD material by another publisher, which was based on my edition of the same piece. I have made a few editorial changes to the original, and also

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
but the distribution scheme in place is comprised of the publishermain distributorsubsidiary distributorsdealers. They all get a cut. The cost per copy is $32.- Applying the rule, the list price should be $224. As you can tell from my on line catalogue, the suggested list price for this

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
Distributors and dealers get their discounts off the official suggested list price. MO, we are not children here, and we know that this suggested list price is a myth designed to make palatable eventual NICE PRICE!!! 20% OFF!!! label. Moreover, it is determined by marketing research. If the

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
So a publisher that does nothing but facsimiles, like Minkoff for example, is using facsimiles to promotes facsimiles? Madam Minkoff produces NOT facsimilia, BUT replicas of antique books of various sorts, not necessarily with artistic content, for a totally different and much larger market.

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
However the publishers produce facsimiles not to make money. The facsimiles make their OTHER books look trustworthy and sellable. In other words the facsimiles are promotional material to a large degree. RT You do have a way with words, well said !!! Indeed he does. Every demagogue who

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
bothered. But once I started, the only way to limit the costs was to drop the project. The costs were mainly imposed on me by the library. Whopping 2 bottles of cognac RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org

Re: falce and unperfect

2003-12-05 Thread Roman Turovsky
MO, there is a Paul Revere Trophy for the unsurpassed excellence in e-mail in the snail-mail for you. It is yours to keep forever. We are just non interested anymore. RT __ Roman M. Turovsky http://turovsky.org http://polyhymnion.org I have to admit that I don't follow the

Re: Lute Question

2003-12-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
I have a question on Mat's notation. The one Dowland I've downloaded from one of the sites Jose-Luis mentioned seems to show an r where I would expect a c (second fret). That is a little convention to make it easier to read. An actual C could look like an E, especially when they are written

Re: Silvius Leopold Weiss

2003-12-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
Hi Michael, I haven't read carefully through your weissplucked site yet. Just some small points: The name of the city is not Kessel but Kassel (and as far as I know the state I'm living in is called Hassia in english). Actually simply Hesse is accepted, RT __ Roman M. Turovsky

Re: Facsimeles etc.

2003-12-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
Not meaning to get in to the fray and continue the hemorrhaging , but what effect does an apology in the first part of the attached message have, if you conclude in the end with another insult? Does that make the previous apology null and void? Is this not just a parting shot across the

Re: Size of the lute world

2003-12-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
As I was deleting another repetitive pain in the ass flame post in the ongoing battle between the greedy billionaire lute publishers and the brave Trotskyist proletariat struggling to free the world's tablature I think I noticed an estimate of about 4000 lute players worldwide. Is this a

Re: Size of the lute world

2003-12-06 Thread Roman Turovsky
Trouble is-a lot of them drop out or go underground because the group that should be supporting them and encouraging them is by far and away as friendly as a pack of junk yard dogs. As a whole I have never been exposed to a group, boasting interest passionately in a particular endeavor,

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