[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Diego Cantalupi
Here's my version: https://youtu.be/dkPp4pDWGQI I used an 'ordinary' archlute. In my opinion there are no problems about single or double strings, but mainly about good taste and esthetic. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Jarosław Lipski
> On 11 Oct 2016, at 01:37, Roman Turovsky wrote: > > Not really. There are a lot of factors in LF manufacture that are absent is > this. > > Many people play single-strung archlutes with nails, some without. Stephen > Stubbs with, Konrad Junghaenel and Konstantin Bozhinov without. > > RT >

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Diego Cantalupi
The question is different: why one should play a baroque lute concerto on a lute-shaped guitar using an old fashon Segovian style? Il 11/10/2016 10:47, Jarosław Lipski ha scritto: On 11 Oct 2016, at 01:37, Roman Turovsky wrote: Not really. There are a lot of factors in LF manufacture that

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
There is really nothing Segovian about it. A Segovian usually means unmusical, sloppy, irritating etc. RT On 10/11/2016 5:09 AM, Diego Cantalupi wrote: The question is different: why one should play a baroque lute concerto on a lute-shaped guitar using an old fashon Segovian style? Il 11/

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Roman Turovsky
there are plenty of reasons to use a single-strung archlute, the most obvious of these are the volume, precision and speed that are required by the standards of 21st century HIP orchestral playing. RT On 10/11/2016 4:48 AM, Jarosław Lipski wrote: Sure, I am not criticising anyone. On the contr

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Diego Cantalupi
Let's say that his playing is quite irritating for me. Inviato da iPhone > Il giorno 11 ott 2016, alle ore 11:46, Roman Turovsky > ha scritto: > > > There is really nothing Segovian about it. > > A Segovian usually means unmusical, sloppy, irritating etc. > > RT > > >> On 10/11/2016 5:09

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Jarosław Lipski
…so now you’re talking ;) It’s all about mixing aesthetics - old and modern. Why then do you insist on calling it HIP? I played this concerto on several occasions on various historical double strung instruments and we never felt any problems with a proper balance between an ensemble and a lute.

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Daniel Shoskes
I love this thread. Started as an open ended question about wadyathinkaboutthis and has become a Rorschach test for HIP interpretation. First off, the I in HIP is informed, not identical. As our musicological and historical lutherie evidence grows, we can try to recreate and imitate aspects of

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Jarosław Lipski
Very nicely played Diego, with taste. I like your version. My congratulations ;) JL > On 11 Oct 2016, at 09:10, Diego Cantalupi wrote: > > Here's my version: > > https://youtu.be/dkPp4pDWGQI > > I used an 'ordinary' archlute. In my opinion there are no problems about > single or double strin

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread jmpoirier2
So do I ! Well done Diego ! Jean-Marie Envoyé depuis mon appareil Samsung Message d'origine De : Jarosław Lipski Date : 11/10/2016 2:31 PM (GMT+01:00) À : lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Objet : [LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto Very nicely played Diego, wit

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread John Mardinly
Not true! "Segovian usually means unmusical, sloppy, irritating etc." for his solo playing, but when he played with an ensemble, he was forced to be disciplined and musical, like it or not. Just listen to his recordings of Rodrigo's Fantasia para un Gentlehombre, Ponce's Concerto de

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Charles Mokotoff
I agree with John, I'd probably take that a little further as I am a big fan of Segovia, but lets leave it at that. Segovia was entirely capable of playing rhythmically precise when he was in an ensemble. I wish some of that carried over to his solo playing, but it was a different ti

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread Jarosław Lipski
My, my…were will it all end? ;) The discussion diverged from a simple question to a very complicated topic, and I won’t go into details as this is not the best place for this kind of discussion, and so many books were written about it, however I just would like to point out some problems in

[LUTE] Re: Vivaldi lute concerto

2016-10-11 Thread howard posner
> On Oct 11, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Ron Andrico wrote: > > HIP is not > necessarily a hard and fast objective measure because whenever the term > is mentioned, you must ask the question, "...according to whom?" > > Speedy O'Dette's use of a mandolino is a serious stretch of > imagination.