Re: LyX 2.3.8 Released
Installation goes so well that I received this message: Requested package unknown miktex-config-2.9 Also, originally, the URL was ftp://ftp... When Firefox got that URL, Firefox then asked me to find an FTP app. wrb On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 12:06 PM Richard Kimberly Heck wrote: > On 5/18/24 14:22, Edwin Burmeister wrote: > > The URL for downloading LyX 2.3.8 only gives me LyX 2.3.7. > > There's a delay updating the website. Look here: > > http://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/bin/2.3.8/ > > for binaries, or here: > > http://ftp.lyx.org/pub/lyx/stable/2.3.x/ > > for source. > > Riki > > > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: versioning
Dear Rich: So much for knowing the product. Perhaps my grok is generally more accurate. On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 5:35 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Fri, 31 Mar 2023, William R. Buckley wrote: > > > More to the point, I never thought that the original post had anything to > > do with recompilation of the LyX product. > > Bill, > > It's long been understood that email communications more easily are > misinterpreted than oral communications. We know what we mean when we write > something, but readers process it through their own experiences and don't > always grok what we wrote. > > I don't recall seeing my response when the first message was the only one in > the thread, but I suggested using git separate from lyx. For that matter I > suspect that I've not been aware of a version control system built into lyx > despite the years I've used it. > > Regards, > > Rich > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: versioning
All: I was being sarcastic. After all, why was it so hard for other respondents to understand just what it is that the original poster (Patrick Dupre) was asking? I think that the original post was rather clearly stated. More to the point, I never thought that the original post had anything to do with recompilation of the LyX product. On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 1:20 PM Rich Shepard wrote: > > On Fri, 31 Mar 2023, William R. Buckley wrote: > > > So, with VCS, it is possible to version control successive iterations of a > > document as you make successive changes thereto? > > William, > > That's why they exist. You can always revert to an previous version. > > Rich > > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: versioning
So, with VCS, it is possible to version control successive iterations of a document as you make successive changes thereto? On Fri, Mar 31, 2023, 12:34 PM Pavel Sanda wrote: > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 09:28:54PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > > Subject: Re: versioning > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 31, 2023 at 06:16:25PM +0200, Patrick Dupre wrote: > > > > No, I wanted to keep a versioning of my documents produced with lyx. > > > > > > Still not clear what you want. Do you mean versioning (commit) numbers > > > visible in the document? In such case VCS toolbar -> Insert version > info. > > > > > Sorry, what is this VCS toolbar? > > View->Toolbars->Version Control > > Pavel > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
Re: License Agreement Entitlement Query
Well, the link opens for me, on my Android-based cellphone. wrb On Mon, May 2, 2022, 4:01 PM Charlie wrote: > > On Mon, 2 May 2022 19:19:40 +0200 Jean-Marc informed me of the > following: > > >Our license is available here is the GPL2, as specified here: > >https://git.lyx.org/?p=lyx.git;a=blob;f=COPYING > > Doesn't work for me? Maybe the university will have better luck. > > Charlie > -- > Registered Linux User:- 329524 > *** > > If I seem to boast more than is becoming, my excuse is that I > brag for humanity rather than for myself...Henry David > Thoreau > > Debian GNU/Linux - Magic indeed. > > - > -- > lyx-users mailing list > lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users > -- lyx-users mailing list lyx-users@lists.lyx.org http://lists.lyx.org/mailman/listinfo/lyx-users
RE: article title 3 authors and affiliations
I use this form for one of my papers:
\author{William R. Buckley\inst{1}\email{w...@wrb.org}
\and Joe Thomas\inst{2}\email{jtho...@gmail.com}
}
> -Original Message-
> From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
> Behalf Of Wolfgang Engelmann
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2012 1:15 AM
> To: LyX Users List
> Subject: article title 3 authors and affiliations
>
> Dear LyX users,
>
> under an article title I would like to have three authors and their
> affiliations (not as footnotes)
>
> How to do that?
>
> Surged for some time now without success
>
> Thanks
>
> Wolfgang
RE: Graphics Tools
Thank you all for the list of tools. As my need was urgent, I tried IPE, and it works well, though is a bit clunky. Will try the others, and return a quick sense of utility for each. wrb > -Original Message- > From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On > Behalf Of Liviu Andronic > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 5:03 AM > To: Wolfgang Keller > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: Graphics Tools > > On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Wolfgang Keller > wrote: > > Wikipedia is very helpful when searching for (especially > > free open-source-)software. > > > I like alternativeTo for this. :) > > Liviu
RE: Graphics Tools
Thank you Steve and Murat.
My OS is of course Windows (Vista Ultimate), so the solutions have
to work in that environment.
Typically I would use Ventura Publisher but, it seems that is now
an abandoned product of Corel Corporation, so migration is the
obvious path.
I know a little of the various file formats, and some tools from
Adobe might work. I am not so familiar with these tools, however,
so some time to review will be necessary.
I am also noticing an apparent failure of the tabular operator
not to work. In particular, I am setting columns with C and p{2cm}
the p parameter column does not yield a change in column width.
I would like to have a two or three column table, where each column
is itself a two column table, with the three major columns each
separated by some significant space. These three sets of two columns
define a coding (in binary) and a mnemonic. So, it would look like
00 RX 001000 LDR 10 SR
What I get does not have the columns aligned in centered form; left
and right are constantly changing, so columns are messy, or even
hard to see.
When I gain some more competence in TeX, I will return to using LyX.
Thanks.
wrb
> -Original Message-
> From: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org [mailto:lyx-users@lists.lyx.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Litt
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:48 AM
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Cc: w...@wrbuckley.com
> Subject: Re: Graphics Tools
>
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2012 08:44:55 -0700, William R. Buckley said:
> > Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to
> > include much support for abstract drawing. I have need for figures
> > to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually
> > employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX.
> >
> > Can you please make a few suggestions.
> >
> > wrb
>
> I use dia for diagrams (kind of what Windows guys use Visio for),
> Inkscape for vector drawing, and Gimp for raster drawing.
>
> dia exports to .png, which can import directly into LyX. Inkscape
> uses .svg, which can import directly into LyX, for a native format.
> Gimp can write just about any kind of raster format.
>
> HTH
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/
> * http://twitter.com/stevelitt
> Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance
Graphics Tools
Working with TeX is a bit of a challenge, since it seems not to include much support for abstract drawing. I have need for figures to appear in a paper, and am not familiar with the toolset usually employed for use to make drawn images suitable for use with TeX. Can you please make a few suggestions. wrb
WRB - LyX, TeXLive and Windows
Is there any reason that I should shy away from the notion of using LyX with TeX Live in a Windows environment? If not, are there any suggestions or observations suitable to configuring LyX and TeX Live to work together under Windows? Thanks. wrb
Fwd: Layout File Location
I've not seen a reply. Perhaps my original post was not delivered to lyx.org; please excuse any duplication. wrb -- Forwarded message -- From: William R. Buckley Date: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 12:47 AM Subject: Layout File Location To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org I last used LyX in mid 2008, and only for one paper, so I have limited experience with LyX. Must say, the paper came out better than I had expected, since I come from a WYSIWYG background, instead of a WYSIWYM background. Some here will perhaps recall that my previous experience is with Ventura Publisher (starting with version 1 and ending with version 10; all that were ever produced; damned be to Corel for abandoning VP, but I digress). Given that Corel has not maintained my preference in DTP tool, I am finally taking the plunge, and will ever-more be a LyX user. This brings me to a current difficultly, some commentary and a question or two. I am trying to determine the proper place at which a .layout file should be located. In reviewing the LyX wiki online documentation, I note the instructions saying: "To use the layouts, just copy the respective *.layout (and, if included, *.inc) files to the layouts folder of your user directory <http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UserDir> (if the folder doesn't exist yet, create it) and then reconfigure LyX (Tools→Reconfigure)." Following this advice, I checked to see where the User Directory should be placed, and for the operating system I use (Windows Vista Home Premium) the instructions are that the path to the user directory will be of the form: < c:\users\[user name]\AppData\Roaming\LyX16\> This seems to me to be in error, since within the above given path there are subdirectories, including this one: < .\Resources\layout> which seems to me the more appropriate place to which .layout files should be placed, since that directory includes a long list of other .layout files. "The layout file you have selected is a local layout file, not one in the system or user directory. Your document may not work with this layout if you do not keep the layout file in the document directory." There is here then inconsistent language usage; the difference being between the words "user directory" and "document directory." Which is it? Where exactly should .layout files be located? And, why is the language given in the product not consistent with the language given in the Wiki and the documentation? Thank you for your attention to this matter. William R. Buckley Equipment used - Toshiba with 2GB and an AMD Turion 64. OS used - Windows Vista Home Premium with service pack 2.
Layout File Location
I last used LyX in mid 2008, and only for one paper, so I have limited experience with LyX. Must say, the paper came out better than I had expected, since I come from a WYSIWYG background, instead of a WYSIWYM background. Some here will perhaps recall that my previous experience is with Ventura Publisher (starting with version 1 and ending with version 10; all that were ever produced; damned be to Corel for abandoning VP, but I digress). Given that Corel has not maintained my preference in DTP tool, I am finally taking the plunge, and will ever-more be a LyX user. This brings me to a current difficultly, some commentary and a question or two. I am trying to determine the proper place at which a .layout file should be located. In reviewing the LyX wiki online documentation, I note the instructions saying: "To use the layouts, just copy the respective *.layout (and, if included, *.inc) files to the layouts folder of your user directory <http://wiki.lyx.org/LyX/UserDir> (if the folder doesn't exist yet, create it) and then reconfigure LyX (Tools→Reconfigure)." Following this advice, I checked to see where the User Directory should be placed, and for the operating system I use (Windows Vista Home Premium) the instructions are that the path to the user directory will be of the form: < c:\users\[user name]\AppData\Roaming\LyX16\> This seems to me to be in error, since within the above given path there are subdirectories, including this one: < .\Resources\layout> which seems to me the more appropriate place to which .layout files should be placed, since that directory includes a long list of other .layout files. "The layout file you have selected is a local layout file, not one in the system or user directory. Your document may not work with this layout if you do not keep the layout file in the document directory." There is here then inconsistent language usage; the difference being between the words "user directory" and "document directory." Which is it? Where exactly should .layout files be located? And, why is the language given in the product not consistent with the language given in the Wiki and the documentation? Thank you for your attention to this matter. William R. Buckley Equipment used - Toshiba with 2GB and an AMD Turion 64. OS used - Windows Vista Home Premium with service pack 2.
llncs.layout
I removed from my computer LyX 1.5.4, then did an install of 1.6.2 using the file LyX-1.6.2-1-Installer-Bundle.exe file on my WinXP SP3 system, and then loaded a file which had been processed with LyX 1.5.4, and I obtained the dreaded message of LyX: Document class not available which includes the text "The layout file requested by this document, llncs.layout, is not usable. This is probably because a LaTeX class or style file required by it is not available. See the Customization documentation for more information. LyX will not be able to produce output." Now, it happens that the file llncs.layout is found in the directory c:/Program Files/LyX16/Resources/layouts Hence, I don't know what to make of the error message. What am I missing? I looked in the archives, and found statements there which suggest that this problem was corrected in version 1.2.0 My experience is that LyX generally works well, even if a few gotcha's occur early in the process. Since I have used LyX for only one paper, and that about one year ago, I don't remember many details of the gotcha's I then faced, nor how to overcome them. William R. Buckley
WRB - Summary of Experience with LyX
First, I vote for LICK. If the goal is to be a TeX product, then extend the language, and avoid the sound of plurality, Second, I think LyX has a wonderful potential, and a magnificently executed actual. I have learned from where most of the text formatting is controlled, and it is surprisingly easy. Don't understand why I can't there also find *strikeout* among the forms. Also, why not add ability to select the font, when also selecting weight (bold, medium) and other features (normal, italic, slant)? Yet, these are minor points, and surely there are other mechanisms to which a LyX user should turn. Some of my experience is akin to that of one who transitions between editors, like those of use who use Borland Turbo Pascal for a number of years, and then moved to BRIEF. Ventura Publisher has its mechanisms, and LyX has a different sent. Sometimes, the mechanisms are homomorphic, sometimes not. In learning to use the mathematics interface took a little time, mostly because of not reading the manual I should think but, it is quite natural now. The integration of the mechanism with the corresponding keystroke is wonderful For example, when I need a variable that is subscripted, such as a label in a figure to which a text reference is needed, I simply select the proper font, which opens a box in the text, and there, I type, for instance, A_i, and the subscript box automatically opens, ready to receive the i. Behavior like this is quite natural, and smoothly implemented. Third, the political sensibilities of some participants hinders the collective goal. The generally friendly manner of postings does much to attract the interest of others; attacking those who show interest is a contrary force. I frankly have no preference for operating systems, nor for the systems which others provide. Complaining to me about the political struggle between Microsoft and Sun, or Microsoft and the free-software movement, is like preaching to an atheist. I don't care about such things. In their stead, I accept that the marketplace of ideas will win the struggle for truth, and that will bring minds. All good things to those who wait. I do care about helping the occasional activity, such as that which is LyX, and offer therefore those observations which may be useful. If they get used, fine; if they get ignored, fine. It is all the same to me. Fourth, I got some very good assistance from the developers and senior users, for which I am quite grateful. Even in those cases where replies were less patient, I got valuable replies that allowed me to greatly reduce the time to both acquire knowledge of the tool and produce a timely submittal of paper to conference. Now, with more leisure, I may turn to the online documentation, and gain more thorough familiarity with LyX. I am comfortable with LyX, and know a smidge of TeX. So, I am reasonably confident of being able to master the tool, even if it does now seem as if I am aboard a row-boat, in the middle of the Pacific. wrb
RE: WRB - Observations
There was an assumption then, that I know what Qt is, and therefore should have understood the mention. Frankly, as far as I can tell, from the messages posted, Qt is part of the LyX product. I am not a developer of your tool, so would not, and should not be expected to, know how it is built, nor of what it is built, nor of the external sources of some components. Simply state so clearly, as done below, and all will be well understood. Don't just mention a component, as if newbies have any idea what you are talking about. Be clear in your exposition, and maybe misunderstandings will be avoided. Heck, I'm lucky to know about wxWidgets, and this only because of the cellular automata tool called Golly - a Game of Life simulator - uses it for Windows portability - otherwise, it is a solid *nix tool. Never assume that I know what you are talking about. Give full and complete information. That is what you expect to obtain from those who seek assistance with your product. Give the same as you expect. wrb > -Original Message- > From: G. Milde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 12:18 AM > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: WRB - Observations > > > On 31.03.08, William R. Buckley wrote: > > Well, the open source tool Maxima has no problem following > a Windows > > shortcut in its browsing function. So, your position is therefore > > that LyX should be less than it might be, when other open > source tools > > have no problem with a simple if arcane function. > > The stated position was that this is either problem of the > underlying QT library or Windows itself. > > It is a LyX well considered design decision to "delegate" the > OS interface functions to QT. > > Creating a workaround in LyX or using a different widget > library was ruled out as too much work or not appropriate for > a not so important issue in a function that should be handled > by the supporting library without extra efforts. In this > sense the bug can be classified as "wontfix" or "works for me". > > > The proper ideal for any open source tool should be > operating system > > universality, > ... > > There was a suggestion to report the bug to "where it > belongs", i.e. the QT library. QT is actively supported, > tries to do the "operating system universality" in a clean > and sensible way. Maybe this bug is even fixed in a current > version of QT (or labelled as wontfix even there if the > Windows version that exhibits the bug is rarely used). > In this sense it can be classified as "reassign to QT". > > > What really surprises me is the effort various members have > expended > > to encourage me not to help your project. > > Please be patient with the developers that sometimes feel > hurt if LyX is blamed for something that is not their fault. > > Ignoring these parts of the response helps to keep traffic on > this list on a reasonable level. > > Contacting the QT people might be the best idea if you want > your help to find the right adressee (as this bug might > affect a lot of other applications that use QT as well). > > > MfG > > Guenter > >
RE: WRB - Observations
Joost: I really do not the particulars of the product. It would be best for you to download it from its sourceforge.net project site, and test for yourself. On WindowsXPsp2 (I think that is the latest - the system is configured for web-based automatic upgrading), and using Word 2003, I clicked File:Open and then from the dialog box (which always starts in My Documents) used the pull-down menu to select the D hard drive, and then double-clicked on the shortcut, which brings me to the corresponding directory, where I am able to view the files there stored. What version of Word are you using? > -Original Message- > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joost Verburg > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:37 PM > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: WRB - Observations > > William R. Buckley wrote: > > Well, the open source tool Maxima has no problem following > a Windows > > shortcut in its browsing function. So, your position is therefore > > that LyX should be less than it might be, when other open > source tools > > have no problem with a simple if arcane function. > > On my system it's not even possible in Microsoft Word :) Does > this Maxima tool use the standard Windows dialog? > > Joost > > >
RE: WRB - Observations
Well, the open source tool Maxima has no problem following a Windows shortcut in its browsing function. So, your position is therefore that LyX should be less than it might be, when other open source tools have no problem with a simple if arcane function. The proper ideal for any open source tool should be operating system universality, and I am sure that various tool makers provide mechanisms to facilitate the interface between disparate philosophies. While I don't know all the various tools, it appears that wxWidgets satisfies some of these idiosyncrasies and allows a very complex product to work. Bitterness at Microsoft? Why? The war is already won, and in the end, Windows too will become open source. Unix is the worst of all possible operating systems, except when compared to all other operating systems. There is no reason that this condition should persist. Rather, quite the opposite, and that will entail the incorporation of all available tools. What really surprises me is the effort various members have expended to encourage me not to help your project. I quite think your efforts are misguided. wrb > -Original Message- > From: Steve Litt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 7:57 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: WRB - Observations > > On Monday 31 March 2008 19:19, William R. Buckley wrote: > > > Please, it is not about how I would like things. Rather, it is not > > what one would expect, given familiarity with Windows. > > Windows matters why? At best it's one more operating system > that the best of class LyX bookwriter runs on. At worst it's > a tool used by an illegal monopoly (Judge Jackson's and the > appeals court's words, not mine). > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Books written in LyX: > Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist > Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > Troubleshooting: Just the Facts > >
RE: WRB - Observations
> -Original Message- > From: Michael Wojcik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 2:46 PM > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: WRB - Observations > > rgheck wrote: > > Michael Wojcik wrote: > >> > >> I don't think this is a bug in Qt, though arguably it's a missing > >> feature. Shortcuts are not first-class filesystem objects > in Windows. > >> They're files that are treated in a special manner by > Windows Explorer. > >> > > LyX uses Qt for its file dialogs, etc, so if this doesn't work > > correctly, it's got to do with Qt, bugs or otherwise. > > Agreed, though it would be good to know why people report > different behavior in different dialogs, and different > behavior on different systems. It's conceivable that > something LyX is doing is either triggering a Qt bug in some > circumstances (which might be avoidable), or at least causing > differing behavior where we could be consistent. > > If I weren't in the middle of about a zillion other things > I'd grab the current sources and take a look. (Maybe over the > summer I'll finally get a chance to dig into the LyX source.) > > Though, pace William, the *real* problem, as I wrote above, > is that shortcuts are not part of the Windows OS. They're > purely an application-layer artifact. Certainly not all > Windows programs handle them the way William would like. > (Windows users can try cd'ing across a shortcut in a shell > window - no go. cd'ing across junctions works just fine, > however, because they *are* first-class filesystem objects.) > > -- > Michael Wojcik Please, it is not about how I would like things. Rather, it is not what one would expect, given familiarity with Windows. I do not expect that this is of concern to all, or even to any. It is only a noted behavior, which looks inconsistent with typical expectation. If the issue is indeed a Windows idiosyncrasy, then by all means just document it as unsupported. If the inclination is beyond just documentation, then by all means. Actually, I have not typically experienced this behavior, because I typically don't use shortcuts. Typically, I will use Windows Explorer and drill down manually in the hierarchy, typically shown to the left in the WE gui. In this one case, I have recently created the shortcut, in order to speed my access to the subtree that contains the papers I write. So, it was just by serendipity that I found this *bug* So, in truth, I don't think I've previously tried to use a shortcut in this way. wrb
RE: WRB - Observations
> > Rich Shepard wrote: > >> However, if you want to use open source applications built to open > >> standards, then understand that almost all of these were > >> originally > >> build for linux or one of the *BSDs, those are the platforms the > >> developers use, and making them available to the Windows > >> world is a > >> courtesy, not a requirement. > > > > LyX supports Windows, Linux/Unix and Mac OS X and it should > > work fine > > on all these platforms. There is no reason why one of these > > platform > > should get more support than others. > > There surely is. There is no particular reason why an Open > Source project has to encourage the use of a proprietary > operating system and spend resources on "fixing" "funny > behaviour" on such platforms. > > If it happens to work and/or there is enough interest of > _developers_ on that platform, such development will > eventually happen. > > Andre' On this point, I quite agree: if there if enough interest, a developer will attend the issue, and the open source tool will improve. I would not expect anything more. Indeed, that is the whole point of open source, that anyone with sufficient interest can improve the tool. By extension, it should therefore not bring indigestion for one to note behavior in said tool. All this information constitutes knowledge of the tool, and provides suggestions to developers who care about that knowledge. I don't see any reason for negative reaction to acquisition of knowledge, and since I did not present the observation in negative words (like those of a university professor a few weeks back), some reaction obtained is unexpected. wrb
RE: WRB - Observations
Actually, I go back to IBM 370/155 days, the first computer for which I wrote programs, and the language was APL. Heck, I have a PDP 11/34a with core and a 2.9BSD license. And, just to state my political position, FreeBSD is the real thing and wish it had taken root instead of Linux. On the other hand, I am much more open to other operating systems, and list among those I have used the oddities like Irix, and the strange extensions of C to be found in the VAX world. As for the use of LyX, I made merely an observation of behavior, and gave counsel (apparently rejected) as to the value of changing the behavior of a tool. I am all for leaving the behavior as is, with the caveat that it be documented, so that others will know of this limitation in interfacing, between operating system behavior and tool expectation. That you find it insulting suggests a degree of intolerance warranting others to curb their offerings of observations. Is that really what you want? As to the paper, I did mention not long ago that I had no more questions. It might have occurred to you that my reason for having no more questions is that I have largely completed the task set, producing the paper, and finding myself now in minor changes to font character, like boldness, and italics, and slant (don't understand the difference with italics), etc. Still have not found strike-though, nor underscore (these go the length of a field of characters, like a word, a sentence, or a paragraph, such as you typically find in the text of laws to be changed by the initiative process, with strike-through indicating text to be deleted). But, I don't need these; just notice that they are not in the same place as the bold, italic, etc. This means that Ventura Publisher remains useful to me when in the Windows world, and LyX remains useful to me in the Windows world. Finally, I have been building my computers since the 1970s, and when I want more than one operating system on a box, I use removable hard drives. Would prefer the high dollar stuff, hot swappable and all that but, powering down, swapping a bay, and powering up is a good alternative to layers and layers of abstraction software. Makes my life simpler. The only reason that I used LyX on Windows is that you make it an offering. I could easily have used it on another computer, one with FreeBSD or Linux (some redhat variation). I am reminded of the biblical warning, of not casting pearls. wrb > -Original Message- > From: Rich Shepard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 2:35 PM > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: RE: WRB - Observations > > On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, William R. Buckley wrote: > > > It is unreasonable to expect the entire Windows using community to > > avoid a mechanism that is part of the Windows operating system. > >However, William, I think it's reasonable to expect the > entire Windows using community to defenestrate to linux, > *BSD, even OS X or open solaris. > All open source projects have fits trying to work with > Microsoft's proprietary, patented, non-standards-compliant > way of doing things. Heck, even Microsoft's web browsers and > Word cannot be backwards compatible with their own former specs. > >I've heard and read all the reasons why one must remain a > Microserf. And, as far as I'm concerned, that's a personal or > business decision that's none of my business. However, if you > want to use open source applications built to open standards, > then understand that almost all of these were originally > build for linux or one of the *BSDs, those are the platforms > the developers use, and making them available to the Windows > world is a courtesy, not a requirement. I, as a linux user > for more than a decade, have to suffer from web sites and > Microsoft-specific data file formats that just don't play > nicely with any of the options available to me. However, the > developers of tools such as OpenProject do a fantastic job of > reverse engineering data file formats, and each release is > better than the one before. In the meantime, I live with > what's available to me. > >I'm confident that there is a current replacement for > Ventura Publisher that is designed for all the quirks, bugs, > and other "features" of Windows. > Perhaps that would better serve your needs. You might also > look at VMware's free offerings that will let you run a > virtual linux distribution on your Windows box, and use linux > versions of applications with that linux distribution. Or, > grab a live CD (Knoppix, Ubuntu, whatever) that will boot > linux on your machine, allow you to run linux apps and save > your work, then leave your machine totally untouched when you > halt it and remo
RE: WRB - Observations
It is unreasonable to expect the entire Windows using community to avoid a mechanism that is part of the Windows operating system. The proper solution, distasteful as it may be, is to implement code which facilitates this *hack* (I always think of a hack as a desirable gem of programming prowess, but I digress). Otherwise, you have a product that does not really work in the Windows world. wrb > -Original Message- > From: Michael Wojcik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 11:24 AM > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: WRB - Observations > > rgheck wrote: > > William R. Buckley wrote: > >> > >> I noticed that when trying to browse for the graphic file > of a figure > >> inserted into a document via the LyX user interface, and > upon trying > >> to utilise a shortcut (as the means to more efficiently select the > >> proper directory that is to be browsed), it happens that > LyX copies > >> the shortcut to the Graphics dialog box, instead of opening the > >> directory indicated by the shortcut. I believe this > behavior is not > >> what LyX developers intend. Rather, double-clicking on > the shortcut > >> should result in an opening of the indicated directory. > >> > > If so, then this is a bug in Qt for Windows. Soft links > work perfectly > > fine in Linux. > > I don't think this is a bug in Qt, though arguably it's a > missing feature. Shortcuts are not first-class filesystem > objects in Windows. > They're files that are treated in a special manner by Windows > Explorer. > > The real bug is that Microsoft introduced them in the first > place, rather than using a proper filesystem mechanism; and > the fix is to avoid them whenever possible, since they're a > clumsy, half-implemented hack. > > The closest analog to soft links in Windows are NTFS > junctions, and they work fine with Qt and LyX, as far as I can see. > > -- > Michael Wojcik > > >
WRB - No More Questions, For Now
To all of you, I must say that I get lots of good advice, even from you Uwe. Two problems I have in the short term. One is time, and the other is eyesight problems. I need the quick answers now in order to meet the submission deadline. Turn-around from journal rejection to conference acceptance is, in this case, exceptionally short. So, my time to learn is quite limited. This is compounded by a current issue of cataracts, which does somewhat limit my eyesight. Hence, my leaning a bit on your knowledgeable shoulders. My hope is that in return the group has gotten a different perspective than the usual encounter with a LyX/La/TeX newbie. LyX is a wonderful product. I now understand how to properly crop and place figures, how to control the page of their printing, how they are anchored to text, think that a visual cropping tool is needed, etc. Sometimes the TeXcode works, and sometimes it doesn't. Don't really understand the meta relationship between plain TeX and the TeXmath, and only somewhat get the hierarchical relationship between TeX and LaTeX, and by extension, LyX. However, all that will come, and I will indeed be more diligent in reading the documentation, just as soon as the paper is out. One more week, maybe two. I think that I can finish with what I know, and ask the journal editor (he's running the conference as well) to do any tweaking when I have problems. I have learned a lot y'all. Thanks. wrb PS - Though reading is difficult, I am a touch typist.
RE: WRB - More Observations
> -Original Message-
> From: James Sutherland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 7:35 PM
> To: LyX User
> Subject: Re: WRB - More Observations
>
> > I do not seem to be able to find means to cause a single
> overscore bar
> > to span more than one character. For instance, I would like to
> > represent the regular expression
> > 1(01)* in the form reminiscent of the mathematical mark of
> > repetition. When I use 1\bar{01} the mark has width of one
> character,
> > and spans the space between zero and one, not the space from outer
> > edges of both characters.
>
> A good LaTeX resource is helpful for a serious LyX user. For
> an under-bar, use \underline in math mode. \overline gives
> an over-bar.
Looking for all such information. Can't really afford to buy the book by
Knuth, and since he won't allow one to process the public source, I
guess I have to find alternative means to acquire the *knowledge of
minutia* that seems concomitant with TeXspeak and TeXpublishing.
I appreciate receiving these gems.
> > It is possible for me to select a stretch of text, and to
> assign some
> > kind of special character, such as italic, bold, etc. Why
> can I not
> > also add the character of underline, overscore, strike-through?
>
> See the "ab" button or "Edit->Text Style"
Thanks but, no cigar. No overscore or strike-through by this method.
At least, not on the Windows version of LyX.
> > It is not always clear from the user interface when I
> should use ERT,
> > insert math directly, use TeX commands, and the like.
> Experience will
> > likely ease this uncertainty but, I wonder about finding
> means to ease
> > the utility of TeX and LaTeX knowledge, such as to zero.
> Some things
> > are already handled in this fashion, like emboldening text, or
> > centering it. My suspicion is that many more such knobs
> can be added.
> > The one knob of ERT, as desirable as it may be to forever
> retain it,
> > should be a mechanism of last resort; is this not a goal of
> the team,
> > that ERT be a last resort?
>
> ERT is the nuclear option. Use LyX constructs where possible
> for more readable documents. LyX's math mode is particularly
> nice, and supports most any LaTeX math construct.
>
> Also, see Document->Settings "Latex Preamble" for a spot
> where you can include more LaTeX packages...
>
> James
>
>
WRB - More Observations
It would be much better to open a dialog box that allows
PDF and other images to be viewed, and with crosshairs,
select a bounding box, adjustable to the image and user
taste. This is much better means in view of user interface
goals, I should think.
I do not seem to be able to find means to cause a single
overscore bar to span more than one character. For
instance, I would like to represent the regular expression
1(01)* in the form reminiscent of the mathematical mark
of repetition. When I use 1\bar{01} the mark has width of
one character, and spans the space between zero and
one, not the space from outer edges of both characters.
It is possible for me to select a stretch of text, and to
assign some kind of special character, such as italic,
bold, etc. Why can I not also add the character of
underline, overscore, strike-through?
It is not always clear from the user interface when I should
use ERT, insert math directly, use TeX commands, and
the like. Experience will likely ease this uncertainty but,
I wonder about finding means to ease the utility of TeX and
LaTeX knowledge, such as to zero. Some things are
already handled in this fashion, like emboldening text, or
centering it. My suspicion is that many more such knobs
can be added. The one knob of ERT, as desirable as it
may be to forever retain it, should be a mechanism of last
resort; is this not a goal of the team, that ERT be a last
resort?
Anybody know of a good open-source compendium of
TeX assembly language?
wrb
RE: WRB - Installing LyX
Is it really overkill to drive a Mercedes versus a Fiat? And, the formatting details are not distracting, except for distractible minds. And, no, I do not suggest that the bibliography feature is as capable as BibTeX. Indeed, this is perhaps my biggest complaint with Ventura Publisher, that other very capable tools are excluded from the suite. I do very much wish that TeX were one of those supported tools. VP was last copyrighted in 2002. wrb > -Original Message- > From: rgheck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:51 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: WRB - Installing LyX > > > >> importantly, none of us developers---I'd be shocked if I > don't speak > >> for all of us---want LyX to be WYSIWYG. At least lots of us think > >> that WYSISYM positively INTERFERES with the process of > writing. The > >> separation of content from presentation revolutionized the > process of > >> writing for me. > >> But you do have to get used to it and, well, just stop fussing so > >> much over details of presentation, at least until you're done > >> writing. Why mess with where a figure goes when the whole page may > >> change? > >> > > > > This is exactly the process I use with Ventura. Write the > text, then > > later, ususally much later, format the document. I use > Ventura like a > > typewriter, just like other writers. > > > > > But that seems like using a bulldozer to drive a nail. If > you're writing, why on earth would you be using a program > capable of what Ventura can do? You're just asking for distraction. > > I'll leave it to others to comment on bibliographies and the like. > Unless you wish to assert that Ventura integrates something > the likes of BibTeX. > > rh > > >
RE: WRB - Installing LyX
> -Original Message- > From: rgheck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 2:59 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: WRB - Installing LyX > > William R. Buckley wrote: > > On this note, add my pipe. > > > > If the speed with which LaTeX could operate were such that output > > could be produced and displayed within the timeframe of a human > > keystroke (for fun, lets say you're a really good 150 wpm > typist), how > > would this differ from WYSIWYG? > > > > > Because LyX contains SEMANTIC markup, which means the > document can be rendered in who knows how many different > formats simply by changing the document class. This is > similar in spirit to the separation of content and > presentation in XHTML/CSS, the "semantic web", and all such > good things. One would not expect that the layout would change between the strokes of keys struck during textual input, for instance. Hence, as far as the user would be concerned (and where the LyX display is configured so as to *roughly* represent the final output - see the assertions of Mr. Litt), it would look just like the WYSIWYG system that I like to use. Visually, you would not be able to tell the difference. > > LyX is not WYSIWYG, unless your display side is tantamount > to a LaTeX > > processor, and if that is the case, why not just save the produced > > image, instead of running LaTeX again to produce a file? > > > > > See above. > > > I think the product is both, and yet lacking in some very > interesting > > ways, this view subject to my lack of detailed knowledge of > La/TeX. > > What I find missing is knobs. I guess I have to get used > to working > > without knobs. Ventura Publisher has lots of knobs to its user > > interface, really powerful knobs. > > > > > You CAN do almost anything with LaTeX. Major publishing > houses use it all the time. But I wouldn't want to try to > format a magazine with it. > It's not that kind of program. If that's the kind of thing > you're looking to do, then LyX is the wrong tool. But it > would be silly to criticize LyX/LaTeX for that. It's like > criticizing a hammer because it doesn't help you with screws. All critical review is of value. And, the passionate response you give here is well understood. Yet, I did not complain about LyX. I am merely comparing LyX with another tool that I know well, and noting the variations between them. I do not expect that any change to LyX will come from my commentary. Still, it is likely that others will appreciate the different point of view, one with differences from those others which may occasion this list. I do agree strongly that one asks the tool how it wants to be used. No use trying to apply a hammer to a screw. > > One point of decorum, please, do not confuse Ventura Publisher with > > the limitations associated with brochures and pamphlets. > VP is first > > and foremost intended for the production of large volumes, > including > > multi-volume books. It is a dream tool for those who edit > and publish > > collections of essays. To boot, it will handle a > publication of many > > thousands of pages, all while allowing you to adjust the > position of a > > period at the end of a particular sentence. It you want, it will > > layout the text for you. If you want, it will let you > layout the text > > with the finest degree of control. That choice is yours. > > > > > No one was criticizing VP and related programs on that > ground. We just think LyX/LaTeX is better for certain kinds > of applications, including book production---though probably > not coffeetable art book production. > As Uwe mentioned, LaTeX handles bibliographies, indices, and > the like with a facility other programs sorely lack, and the > fact the LaTeX prefers semantic markup makes it possible to > make major changes to presentation in an instant. You can > even render the file as Braille, and LaTeX will handle the > conventions regarding emphasis and the like for you. > > LaTeX too will allow nearly unlimited control. But you have > to know how to use it, and LyX won't help you with all of > that, though it will help you with some. LyX is for writers, > not page layout folks. You want to do page layout with LyX, > then you're in the land of LaTeX. But (a) you should do this > only when you are completely done writing and (b) you might > as well export to LaTeX and mess directly with the code at > that point. Or, again, much of what you want to do may > inv
RE: WRB - Installing LyX
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 4:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: WRB - Installing LyX > > William R. Buckley schrieb: > > > Don't know what a *nomenclature* is with regard to publishing. > > I meant the glossaries. > > > As for the others, like bibliographies and indexes, yes, Ventura > > Publisher handles these quite well. > > Interesting. I once tested out Framemaker which seems to be > very similar to Ventura. The problem there was the > bibliography: In scientific papers you have a lot of > references, so you use databases to collect and insert them. > But every publisher has its own bibliography format style, so > that sending a manuscript to different publishers is a > nightmare when you cannot change the bibliography format > style with a few mouse clicks. > > What I like with LaTeX are its powerful math and bibliography > capabilities and that you can change every time the layout of > the document. I can even take a document that I usually print > in A4, set its page margin to A5 or whatever and get a nearly > ready to print document, becase LateX does the recalculations > for me, including the image placements. This is useful when > producing books as you don't always know the exact book page > size while typesetting. > > > Like I suggested, Ventura Publisher would alone be sufficient to > > produce the Encyclopedia Britannica, and quickly so. I > take it that > > experienced LyX users would say the same about LyX. > > Of course you can reach the goal to typeset books in > different ways. LaTeX is only one of them. I agree with the point that TeX has deep integration with bibliographic stores, and that is not well served in Ventura Publisher. But, for all that has been incorporated within the publication, things get real easy. Glossaries, lists of figures, lists of tables, cross-references, you name it. I don't really use all this power, since most of what I write are academic publications. The only complaint I have with Ventura Publisher is, well two complaints, it does not output or input LaTeX, and Corel Corporation has effectively abandoned the product. In truth, much as I love Ventura Publisher, the lack of product development on the part of Corel means that I must seek other tools. LyX will probably be the choice I make. I am effectively there already. > regards Uwe > >
RE: WRB - Installing LyX
> -Original Message- > From: Rich Shepard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 2:38 PM > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: RE: WRB - Installing LyX > > On Wed, 26 Mar 2008, William R. Buckley wrote: > > > LyX/LaTeX are not WYSIWYM because it makes decisions about where I > > want text and graphics to be. Well, let me put this claim under > > suspension, while I test the various alternative *frame* mechanisms > > that have been suggested by others. > >You can write your own class or style that overrides and > changes the defaults. That's what many publishers (e.g., > Spriger-Verlag's monoclass, and the theses classes of many > universities) do. Make the output _exactly_ how you want it, > then you'll have consistent results from document to document > and you won't have to think about it again. Ventura does the same thing, and you move these from document to document, publication to publication. They are called style sheets, and can be quite extensive. Clearly, this is a capability that is shared by the tools, Ventura Publisher and LyX. > > One point of decorum, please, do not confuse Ventura Publisher with > > the limitations associated with brochures and pamphlets. > VP is first > > and foremost intended for the production of large volumes, > including > > multi-volume books. It is a dream tool for those who edit > and publish > > collections of essays. To boot, it will handle a > publication of many > > thousands of pages, all while allowing you to adjust the > position of a > > period at the end of a particular sentence. It you want, it will > > layout the text for you. If you want, it will let you > layout the text > > with the finest degree of control. That choice is yours. > >On the other hand, TeX was invented by Don Knuth because > in the 1970s and 1980s there were no satisfactory tools to > typeset mathematical formulae and symbols well. From what > I've heard and read, Word and PowerPoint slavishly adhere to > this practice. So, TeX was designed as a book typesetting system. > The next year, Leslie Lamport brought it from the level of > assembly language to that of C by providing the LaTeX macro > system. LyX adds a GUI front end; I suppose to finish the > programming language analogy it's not like Visual Cobol, but > more like an IDE (java beans, perhaps?) > > > Perhaps I express naïveté but, why does every .lyx document contain > > only one LaTeX file? Would it not make sense for *box* and > its kind > > to contain separately TeXable source? LyX could then at a higher > > level piece a document together, page by page, outputting > the image to > > a PDF, or what have you? > >Probably for the same reason that those who process words > write separate documents (e.g., chapters) then assemble them > into a whole by using a master document. > > Rich Well, it is just a different tool, and learning the details will simply take time. wrb
RE: WRB - Installing LyX
> William R. Buckley schrieb: > > > If the speed with which LaTeX could operate were such that output > > could be produced and displayed within the timeframe of a human > > keystroke (for fun, lets say you're a really good 150 wpm > typist), how > > would this differ from WYSIWYG? > > WYSIWYM only works when you trust the LaTeX machine to > produce the best possible output. This seems the problem you > habe. For the LyX users its THE advantage: > You e.g. add a caption and you don't have to take care about > it later. When the publisher tells you later that you should > have italic captions, it is only one preamble entry away; > when you use another document class, the caption layout is > automatically changed according to the class rules. This is > very useful when you are writing for several publishing > companies. Most of the companies provide their own document > class, all you have to do in LyX is to use the document class > of your publisher and the text gets formatted as it should. > This would not be possible with WYSIWYG. > > But anyway, the things you complain about are design things > of LaTeX, not LyX. LyX is a frontend to LaTeX to be able to > write texts without the need to learn LaTeX. The concept of > LaTeX has been proven to be THE choice for publishing > companies all over the world: Nearly all scientific stuff, > books as well as journals, are typeset using LaTeX (or > pdfTeX, omega, etc.), even when you send your text to them as > Word-file. > > > What I find missing is knobs. I > > guess I have to get used to working without knobs. Ventura > Publisher > > has lots of knobs to its user interface, really powerful knobs. > > I don't know what exactly you are missing. LyX provides you > countless options and settings in all areas. But while > reading your post again, it seems that you decided to use > Ventura Publisher, before testing out LyX carefully. Many of > your questions are obsolete when you read LyX's Intro manual > and the Tutorial. The LyX UserGuide is a perfect document to > see what output can be produced and how it can be produced. > But while comparing programs, can Ventura handle > nomenclatures, bilbiographies, and indexes? From all programs > I know to publish books, LyX has the most powerful features > for indexes and bibliographies. Don't know what a *nomenclature* is with regard to publishing. As for the others, like bibliographies and indexes, yes, Ventura Publisher handles these quite well. Like I suggested, Ventura Publisher would alone be sufficient to produce the Encyclopedia Britannica, and quickly so. I take it that experienced LyX users would say the same about LyX. And, no, I did not review LyX first. I've been using Ventura Publisher for more than twenty years. LyX has its charms and its challenges, just like any other tool. Finally, at this point, I am having no difficulty converting my document from Ventura Publisher to LaTeX via LyX. I'm not always comfortable with using LyX but, it is quickly becoming as effortless as is Ventura Publisher. wrb
RE: WRB - Installing LyX
On this note, add my pipe. If the speed with which LaTeX could operate were such that output could be produced and displayed within the timeframe of a human keystroke (for fun, lets say you're a really good 150 wpm typist), how would this differ from WYSIWYG? LyX is not WYSIWYG, unless your display side is tantamount to a LaTeX processor, and if that is the case, why not just save the produced image, instead of running LaTeX again to produce a file? LyX/LaTeX are not WYSIWYM because it makes decisions about where I want text and graphics to be. Well, let me put this claim under suspension, while I test the various alternative *frame* mechanisms that have been suggested by others. I think the product is both, and yet lacking in some very interesting ways, this view subject to my lack of detailed knowledge of La/TeX. What I find missing is knobs. I guess I have to get used to working without knobs. Ventura Publisher has lots of knobs to its user interface, really powerful knobs. One point of decorum, please, do not confuse Ventura Publisher with the limitations associated with brochures and pamphlets. VP is first and foremost intended for the production of large volumes, including multi-volume books. It is a dream tool for those who edit and publish collections of essays. To boot, it will handle a publication of many thousands of pages, all while allowing you to adjust the position of a period at the end of a particular sentence. It you want, it will layout the text for you. If you want, it will let you layout the text with the finest degree of control. That choice is yours. LyX clearly eases the burden of writing the *assembly language of words* and that is a godsend to me. I think that LyX can be every bit as WYSIWYG as Ventura Publisher, without sacrificing the WYSIWYM ethos of La/TeX. Perhaps I express naïveté but, why does every .lyx document contain only one LaTeX file? Would it not make sense for *box* and its kind to contain separately TeXable source? LyX could then at a higher level piece a document together, page by page, outputting the image to a PDF, or what have you? wrb > -Original Message- > From: Steve Litt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 8:43 AM > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: WRB - Installing LyX > > On Wednesday 26 March 2008 05:22, Eric S Fraga wrote: > > At Thu, 20 Mar 2008 16:33:22 -0700 (PDT), > > > > Rich Shepard wrote: > > > On Fri, 21 Mar 2008, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > WYSIWYG promise? > > > > > > Andre', > > > > > >I hope not!! That's why there's AbiWord and OO.o. > > > > Exactly! I sure don't want wysiwyg which, in my view, is > for people > > who want a glorified typewriter. I want a typesetter that > knows more > > than I do about how to prepare documents that look good! > And LaTeX or > > LyX are perfect for that! > > Oh oh, here it goes again :-) > > In my opinion, LyX *is* WYSIWYG to a significant degree. LyX > content in LyX looks very much like its PDF output. > Typefaces, sizes, weights, slants, margins all look similar > to the eventual output. > > For something that really, truly isn't WYSIWYG, look at old > WordPerfect 5.1. > Everything's one size monofont in WordPerfect 5.1, but the > printed page has typefaces, slants, weights, sizes and the > like. WordPerfect 5.1 didn't even show graphics -- it just > had a 1 character white block to represent the graphic. Now > THAT was non-WYSIWYG. > > I've never understood the "WYSIWYM" and "we are not WYSIWYG" > marketing of LyX. > Why can't just say things like the following: > > * Our output looks much better > * Our output follows true typographic convention by default > * Our page numbers are always accurate > * Our two column stuff comes out right > * Our chapters begin on the correct page > * Our figures are placed in pleasing places by default > * Our program is much more stable than most word processors > * Our native format is easy to parse text > * Our user interface is fast for the touch typist > > I think the "we're not WYSIWYG" and "WYSIWYM" slogans are > confusing to prospective and new LyX users, and really don't > make much sense. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Books written in LyX: > Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist > Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting > Troubleshooting: Just the Facts > >
WRB - Observations
Reminder - WindowsXP installation of LyX1.5.4/MikTeX2.7
I noticed that when trying to browse for the graphic file of
a figure inserted into a document via the LyX user interface,
and upon trying to utilise a shortcut (as the means to more
efficiently select the proper directory that is to be browsed),
it happens that LyX copies the shortcut to the Graphics
dialog box, instead of opening the directory indicated by
the shortcut. I believe this behavior is not what LyX
developers intend. Rather, double-clicking on the shortcut
should result in an opening of the indicated directory.
Another difficulty is with the inclusion of a citation (\cite[]{})
in a caption of a figure placed with the Float:Figure insert
function of the LyX user interface. I can easily hardcode
the citation, and it may be that I just don't understand how
to package the citation in order to get it to *dereference*
into the desired text.
One of the features that I like most about Ventura Publisher
is the *frame*, within which one may place any kind of item,
table, graphic image, text, what have you, and it will render
in that space, without affect upon any other portion of the
page (that is, the page outside of the frame). I have not
encountered any kind of corresponding feature in LyX.
The placement of figures is now accomplished, though I
do have some complaint about the *compliance* of LyX,
vis-à-vis following directions in the placement of graphics.
I do use the Float:Figure mechanism, and note that the
options for placement are general. Yet, even if the
selection is for top-of-page, or bottom-of-page, there are
conditions in which the graphic is not placed, or it is
placed on the next page, or it is placed at the end of
the document.
I would like to have more control over the placement of
graphics and other insertions. If I understand Don Knuth
correctly, part of the goal of TeX is to free me from having
to make such placement decisions. This is not a goal
with which I agree.
wrb
WRB - Image Importation
At this point, I get the caption on a page, at the top, but without the graphic image. Perhaps I do not understand the cropping process. Still looking for help with PDF graphics. Turning to read Steve Litt's website. wrb
RE: WRB - Installing LyX
See Manfred Mertens post. wrb > -Original Message- > From: Andre Poenitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 4:06 PM > To: William R. Buckley > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: WRB - Installing LyX > > On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 03:53:55PM -0700, William R. Buckley wrote: > > My experience, by using the complete install, about > 105MBytes, is that > > the process is easy. Of course, I use the Windows version, > so there > > may be some differences in the install process. My > problems are with > > the details of LyX usage, not getting it to run. > > Also, I could load the documentation .lyx files, and use them to > > produce PDFs. I have obtained benefit by writing LaTeX > directly but, > > that does not mean that LyX provide no benefit. Indeed, LyX is now > > proving useful in the placement of figures ... though some > > difficulties remain. > > > > Bottom line - I think LyX is a fine idea, and an aggressively > > improving product, and the WYSIWYG promise is probably not far off. > > WYSIWYG promise? > > Andre' > >
WRB - Installing LyX
My experience, by using the complete install, about 105MBytes, is that the process is easy. Of course, I use the Windows version, so there may be some differences in the install process. My problems are with the details of LyX usage, not getting it to run. Also, I could load the documentation .lyx files, and use them to produce PDFs. I have obtained benefit by writing LaTeX directly but, that does not mean that LyX provide no benefit. Indeed, LyX is now proving useful in the placement of figures ... though some difficulties remain. Bottom line - I think LyX is a fine idea, and an aggressively improving product, and the WYSIWYG promise is probably not far off. Some have stronger skills, and know more of the product, and so have fewer problems. Others are not so well equipped; we are busy learning. The rant of William B. King is a bit unbecoming of a university professor. wrb
RE: WRB - On the dimensions of graphic files.
Paul (and the rest of the group):
> William R. Buckley wrote:
> >
> > My image has dimensions of 8.5 by 11 inches,
> > though the actual image that I want is much
> > smaller.
>
> Right-click the image and use the Output Size portion of the
> dialog (Graphics tab) to scale the image. If you want to
> maintain the original aspect ratio, the easiest way is to
> scale it by a percentage (first box).
>
> Also, if your image has white space that you would like to
> crop (for instance, if it's a modest sized graphic produced
> by a program that wrote it out to a full letter-size page),
> use the Clipping tab of the dialog, select "Clip to bounding
> box" and specify coordinates for the bottom left and top
> right corners of the display area.
> >
> > What I notice, even in the imported .tex file for my paper,
> > and when using LyX, (BTW, is it as in Lick?)
>
> There's been extensive (and IMHO inconclusive) discussion
> of this, but "licks" seems to be the predominant choice
> (particularly since "leaks"
> is not a happy name for a computer program).
I would argue for lick, to be consistent with TeX and LaTeX.
Of course, when I first encountered the product, licks came
immediately to mind.
> > that the
> > image takes a page on its own. Also, the box for the
> > image in the LyX display says *error converting to
> > loadable format* or some such - I > > can't really tell,
> > as the type appears to be 4pt.
>
> It's a variable font -- automatically maps to two points
> smaller than what your eyes can comfortably read.
Well then, goal accomplished. Doesn't really matter, I suppose,
since I don't need to see the image in LyX either. Hey, perhaps
a good idea is to magnify the enclosing box of the graphic file
when the mouse pointer pans over the bounding box.
> >
> > The text following the graphic begins on the page
> > following that which is used by the graphic. This is
> > absolutely unacceptable, for the image takes only
> > about one tenth the height of the page.
>
> Are you saying that there is a bunch of wasted space below
> the image box, then a page break and more text, or are you
> saying that there is wasted space inside the image box (in
> which case you need to clip), or neither?
>
> /Paul
Exactly, one of these cases. I have a small graphic positioned
at the upper left of a full 8.5x11 inch page, and stored in PDF.
The vast majority of the page is blank.
When I paste this into a document via LyX, and then print the
document to a PDF, what I get is the entire page inserted into
the document, instead of just the 3 inch wide, 2 inch tall graphic
image.
Hence, the text of the document ends on one page, is interrupted
by a text less page containing only the graphic image, and then
continues upon the page following; i.e. there is a break in the text
which consumes a whole page. The PDF is attached. The relevant
code of the .lyx file is as follows:
\begin_inset Graphics
filename figure1.pdf
width 10cm
BoundingBox 0in 0in 5in 2in
clip
special totalheight=300pt
\end_inset
This inset began as some standard LaTeX code, which is
\begin{figure}
\centering
\includegraphics*[width=10cm, totalheight=300pt]{figure1.pdf}
\caption{\label{fig:figone}Figure 1. An active sub-configuration s' which is
identical to its state transition, F(s') = s',
classifiable as passive or active, depending upon applied metric. No other
figure shows signal, as this figure does.}
\end{figure}
Yes, I know that the caption is different from that in the image.
I plan to remove the image text, and use the above shown
mechanism.
The origin for all this was a sample sent by the journal editor,
and looks like:
\begin{figure}
\centering
\includegraphics[width=0.9\textwidth]{figname.eps}
\label{figlabel}
\end{figure}
So, while a lot of learning is going on, it has yet to get me
the images that I need. Hence, a few more lessons are
apparently in order. I can see that the end of this process
is near.
The immediate concern is proper use of the cropping tool,
and image placement. I figure the failure of text to follow
the image on the same page (support for universal image
placement?) is a simple oversight.
Ciao!!!
wrb
figure1.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
WRB - On the dimensions of graphic files.
OK. One last question tonight. The image which Dominik sent me has dimensions of 7.97 by 1.72 inches. Now, if memory serves me right, there are exactly 2.54cm per inch. Dominik set the width of the graphic include to be 10 centimeters in the .tex file. My image has dimensions of 8.5 by 11 inches, though the actual image that I want is much smaller. What I notice, even in the imported .tex file for my paper, and when using LyX, (BTW, is it as in Lick?) that the image takes a page on its own. Also, the box for the image in the LyX display says *error converting to loadable format* or some such - I can't really tell, as the type appears to be 4pt. The text following the graphic begins on the page following that which is used by the graphic. This is absolutely unacceptable, for the image takes only about one tenth the height of the page. wrb
RE: WRB - Problems with LaTeX
Thanks much. I'll get to this, and let you know how it works out.
Being in California, I'll have to end this mornings computing, and
seek the benefits of slumber.
wrb
> -Original Message-
> From: Dominik Böhm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 2:30 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: LyX User
> Subject: Re: WRB - Problems with LaTeX
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:09 AM, William R. Buckley
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I've tried, and had some difficulties working with the
> interface. It
> > is probably just differences in the way things are done, versus
> > Ventura Publisher. So, acquiring new interface skills slows the
> > process for getting the paper out.
> >
> > Right now, my big problem is scaling of a PDF graphic image. So
> > far, I can get it either in a horribly small form, or it
> takes all of
> > its own page, even if it is still in a horribly small form. I've
> > been reading the graphics package but, haven't found good examples
> > for what I want to do.
> >
> > I am not really interested in re-drawing the graphics for
> the paper.
> > Since PDF importation works, I'd like to use it. Ventura
> will easily
> > prepare the PDFs. What I need to understand is how to
> properly scale
> > those images, and place them so that they are neighborly
> with regard
> > to surrounding text and images.
> >
> > The current text of the tex file contains this snippet:
> >
> > \begin{figure}
> > \centering
> > \scalebox{1}{\includegraphics*[width=1\textwidth,
> totalheight=300pt]
> > {figure1.pdf}} \label{Figure 1. An active
> sub-configuration s' which
> > is identical to its state transition, F(s') = s', classifiable as
> > passive or active, depending upon applied metric. No
> other figure
> > shows signa, as this figure does.} \end{figure}
> >
> > Also, I don't understand why the text in the \label{}
> command does
> > not show up as a caption. More newbie-itis I suppose.
>
> The label only provides for an (internal) reference anchor
> that you can use in an \ref{} command. The caption maybe (and
> usually is) totally different from the label.
>
> For figures I usually use labels like "fig:section-short-figure-name".
> Inside a text you can reference it via
> "\ref{fig:section-short-figure-name}". If you change the
> caption afterwards, you don't need to change the label.
>
> As LyX generates the LaTeX code for me, I am not sure how the
> exact LaTeX syntax for scaling is. I usually use .svg-files
> that are converted by LyX to cropped pdf files. LyX includes
> those pdf files (with some meta information about the
> scaling) into the generated LaTeX code while LaTeX makes sure
> everything is scaled right.
>
> Please find two files attached:
> 1. figure.tex -- That's the LaTeX file LyX generates on the
> fly. Maybe you can see how including figures and scaling works...
> 2. include-figure.pdf -- That's the included pdf file (that
> was converted from an svg file)
>
> If you want to compile the file to see, how the result looks
> like, execute "pdflatex figure.tex" twice.
>
> Dominik
>
WRB - Discoveries
Well, I just learned that the .tex file that I have been laboring over can be imported into LyX, and it produces upon request the same document as does pdflatex (no wonder here though, since LyX must be orchestrating execution of pdflatex), with the erroneously presented graphic image. So, Dominik, did you have some suggestion for me regarding the insertion of graphics (PDFs) into my document with the assistance of LyX? wrb
RE: WRB - Problems with LaTeX
I've tried, and had some difficulties working with the interface. It is
probably just differences in the way things are done, versus Ventura
Publisher. So, acquiring new interface skills slows the process for
getting the paper out.
Right now, my big problem is scaling of a PDF graphic image. So
far, I can get it either in a horribly small form, or it takes all of its
own page, even if it is still in a horribly small form. I've been reading
the graphics package but, haven't found good examples for what I
want to do.
I am not really interested in re-drawing the graphics for the paper.
Since PDF importation works, I'd like to use it. Ventura will easily
prepare the PDFs. What I need to understand is how to properly
scale those images, and place them so that they are neighborly
with regard to surrounding text and images.
The current text of the tex file contains this snippet:
\begin{figure}
\centering
\scalebox{1}{\includegraphics*[width=1\textwidth, totalheight=300pt]
{figure1.pdf}}
\label{Figure 1. An active sub-configuration s' which is identical to its
state transition, F(s') = s', classifiable as passive or
active, depending upon applied metric. No other figure shows signa, as this
figure does.}
\end{figure}
Also, I don't understand why the text in the \label{} command does
not show up as a caption. More newbie-itis I suppose.
wrb
> -Original Message-
> From: Dominik Böhm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 1:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: LyX User
> Subject: Re: WRB - Problems with LaTeX
>
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 9:36 AM, William R. Buckley
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > As mentioned earlier, I am not using LyX. Instead, the
> .tex file is
> > being edited with NotePad. I'll get to learning LyX after
> I get the
> > pending paper submitted.
>
> Then you will probably be stunned by the possibilities and
> ease of use of LyX (compared with notepad and LaTeX). Try it
> out as soon as you can, it's worth it!
>
> Dominik
>
>
RE: WRB - Problems with LaTeX
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > the command I use is
> >
> > $\skew9\acute{s}\thinspace$
>
> This command works just fine in math mode in LyX for me.
> Displaying an italic s with a prime symbol. See the attached file.
>
> Cheers,
> /Bob
As mentioned earlier, I am not using LyX. Instead, the .tex
file is being edited with NotePad. I'll get to learning LyX after
I get the pending paper submitted.
Thanks for all your help.
wrb
RE: WRB - Problems with LaTeX
Thanks for the solution!
I elect to use Stephens solution, as I am not using LyX (making
the changes directly to the LaTeX source). When I learn the
proper use of LyX, I'll try the other suggested solution.
the command I use is
$\skew9\acute{s}\thinspace$
The thinspace is to accommodate the non-italic text which
follows. Perhaps I should also try the \ / mechanism, too.
wrb
> -Original Message-
> From: Dominik Böhm [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 5:33 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; LyX User
> Subject: Re: WRB - Problems with LaTeX
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Stephen Buonopane
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > I need an italic *s* character which has a prime symbol above >
> > it.
> > >
> > > I have tried variations of
> > >
> > > \emph\skew9\acute sand \it\skew9\acute s
> > >
> >
> > how about
> > \acute{s}
> > in math mode?
>
> Or maybe Insert->Special Character->Symbols, there "Latin
> Extended-A", fourth row, "s"/"s".
>
WRB - Problems with LaTeX
Testing the patience of this group, I have a short term problem. Well, truth is I probably have several such short term problems, and I would appreciate help with each. However, this problem is not with LyX directly, and though the various experts on this group will likely find motivation to answer the better questions, I am hoping that some of you will help me through an off-topic newbie problem. I need an italic *s* character which has a prime symbol above it. I have tried variations of \emph\skew9\acute sand \it\skew9\acute s and in no case have I found execution without error upon pdflatex or the proper result. At best, there are errors reported, and the output text is converted to italic after production of the desired < italic s' > symbol. Has anyone any idea as to the solution of this problem? William R. Buckley
RE: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
> -Original Message- > From: Bob Lounsbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 7:51 PM > To: LyX User > Subject: Re: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:10 PM, William R. Buckley > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > One more comment. It seems that MiKTeX 2.7 > > may instead place the texmf directory in the root > > of the hard drive. On my C drive, I find > > a texmf directory so located. > > > > Hadn't noticed it previously. > > > > wrb > > Where exactly are you saying the texmf folder is on your C drive? I said the root; i.e. c:\texmf is the location of the directory. Also, the Date Modified field says June 27, 2005, which is probably when I first installed a copy of MiKTeX. Don't recall the version. The structure is \texmf\miktex\config and within this leaf sub-directory, one finds .log files from that date, and are noted to be setup logs. > I've found that MiKTeX 2.7 is placing additional packages in: > C:\Program Files\MiKTeX 2.7\tex\latex. Maybe, this is done in > this manner because I selected to install MiKTeX for 'anyone > who uses this computer'. If it was installed for 'user only' > then the packages may have been installed into the UserConfig > folder, who knows. At some point in the next couple of weeks > I "may" test the theory :-}. > > Bob > There may be a lot of consequence for my use of LyX/LaTeX/TeX owing to near ignorance of the tools. However, I now have found that if I first alter the .tex file, then import it into LyX, I have fewer difficulties. After I have come to understand these tools a little better, I will try to give a critique from the perspective of a WYSIWYG user. To the moment, I am encouraged with what I have found, though much of the process of annotating source text seems at first use to be a bit tedious compared to the process as implemented within Ventura Publisher. For instance, I can create a text style that applies to individual paragraphs. So, one style for normal text, another for quotes, and still others for other types of content. Having to manually add ERT to each paragraph is one example of such tedious acts being implementable in more effective means. LyX doesn't seem to give me access to all the LaTeX source material in the view source window. This is one reason that I like to modify the .tex file, and then import into LyX. The use of templates shows great potential but, it is not as easy to use as the concept suggests. wrb
RE: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
One more comment. It seems that MiKTeX 2.7 may instead place the
texmf directory in the root of the hard drive. On my C drive, I find a
texmf directory so located.
Hadn't noticed it previously.
wrb
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Lounsbury [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 6:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: LyX User
> Subject: Re: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 3:31 PM, William R. Buckley
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Respecting what follows, your corrections of my
> misunderstandings are
> > solicited.
> >
> > OK. The digest goes like this:
> >
> > 1. It is the case that all installs to my single user computer are
> > for use by all users.
>
> In this case it would be advisable to setup a localtexmf
> directory to a shared location.
>
> > 2. MiKTeX has a requirement that the user maintain any *custom*
> > class, style, include, other tex files, and layout files. One may
> > choose to use any of the directories listed in MiKTeX Settings,
> > though it would generally be better practice to add a new
> path to the
> > available roots, and store files in that root, thus obtaining an
> > expected retention of setting in the face of MiKTeX upgrade.
> > Of course, if the settings are lost, then the path will
> need to be
> > added to any upgrade.
>
> This is true of any tex distribution.
>
> > The *user config* directory is indeed not yet made, as in mkdir.
> > I also note that the *user config* *user data* and *common* roots
> > may not be altered, at least via MiKTeX Settings.
>
> Seems to be the case so far for MiKTeX 2.7 not for 2.6 (at
> least the part that the 'user config;' directory is not made
> by default).
>
> > 3. To be sure, when I mentioned following the given advice, I did
> > follow all parts. Particularly, I refer to the notions of
> > reconfiguration for both LyX and MiKTeX. Thus, when I added paths
> > for the missing texmf subtree, I not only added a root and
> subtree to
> > MiKTeX, the FNDB was refreshed and Update Formats (thought this
> > latter step may have no direct impact upon my current need) need),
> > and also reconfigure and restart LyX. Both of these tasks
> have been
> > performed multiple times, and these times being subsequent to
> > alteration of roots and addition of files thereto.
>
> Very good practice. :-}
>
> > 4. I did alter the layout file to read
> >
> >
> > \DeclareLaTeXClass[llncs]{article (Springer LNCS)}
> >
> > Upon thereafter reconfiguring LyX, the class was recognised.
> > So, now I am moving along.
>
> This is strange as I also installed llncs.cls and after
> refreshing MiKTeX and LyX everything was fine. Meaning I did
> not need to alter llncs.layout and 'article (Springer LNCS)'
> was immediately available.
>
> > I had previously altered this statement, to include
> [springer] and
> > not [llncs], owing to some suggestion hinted by other
> layout files.
> > The correction to the bracketed label brought access to
> the document
> > class llncs.
> >
> > Thanks to all for all the help you have given. Perhaps
> some of this
> > information will find its way into the LyX documentation.
>
> This info is included in Section 5.2 of the Help->Customization file.
> Although it is mostly written for *nix systems as LyX was
> initially written for it. But the concepts are exactly the
> same for Windoze :-}.
>
> As usual there are always resources available on the net:
>
> http://wiki.lyx.org/Layouts/CreatingLayouts
> http://troubleshooters.a3b3.com/lpm/200210/200210.htm
> http://www.etl.luc.edu/gkt/writing/how_to/lyx_ieee
> http://www.nabble.com/forum/Search.jtp?query=adding+classes+to
> +lyx&daterange=0&startdate=&enddate=
>
> > wrb
>
>
> Cheers,
> /Bob
>
>
RE: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
Respecting what follows, your corrections of my misunderstandings
are solicited.
OK. The digest goes like this:
1. It is the case that all installs to my single user computer are for
use by all users.
2. MiKTeX has a requirement that the user maintain any *custom*
class, style, include, other tex files, and layout files. One may
choose to use any of the directories listed in MiKTeX Settings,
though it would generally be better practice to add a new path
to the available roots, and store files in that root, thus obtaining
an expected retention of setting in the face of MiKTeX upgrade.
Of course, if the settings are lost, then the path will need to be
added to any upgrade.
The *user config* directory is indeed not yet made, as in mkdir.
I also note that the *user config* *user data* and *common*
roots may not be altered, at least via MiKTeX Settings.
3. To be sure, when I mentioned following the given advice, I did
follow all parts. Particularly, I refer to the notions of reconfiguration
for both LyX and MiKTeX. Thus, when I added paths for the
missing texmf subtree, I not only added a root and subtree to
MiKTeX, the FNDB was refreshed and Update Formats (thought
this latter step may have no direct impact upon my current need)
need), and also reconfigure and restart LyX. Both of these tasks
have been performed multiple times, and these times being
subsequent to alteration of roots and addition of files thereto.
4. I did alter the layout file to read
\DeclareLaTeXClass[llncs]{article (Springer LNCS)}
Upon thereafter reconfiguring LyX, the class was recognised.
So, now I am moving along.
I had previously altered this statement, to include [springer]
and not [llncs], owing to some suggestion hinted by other
layout files. The correction to the bracketed label brought
access to the document class llncs.
Thanks to all for all the help you have given. Perhaps some
of this information will find its way into the LyX documentation.
wrb
RE: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
Much good information has come from Bob Lounsbury. Thank you for the attention to detail. Where would I have been expected to read of the requirement to create such a texmf sub-directory, given that it was not created automatically by either MiKTeX or LyX? Indeed, why was such a directory not so automatically created, when it is apparently of some need to the system that these directories exist? I did follow the given advice, and created a *texmf* directory, then added the .\tex\latex and .\tex\bibtex\ sub-directories. These acts were followed by adding a root path to MiKTeX2.7 settings, and reconfiguring the file name database. Actually, we have performed this act about five times. I have even changed the search order for these roots, and then updated the database. So, the layout file shows up in the TeX Information but, in the Document Settings, the document class Springer LNCS shows up as unavailable. Thus, may we return to a previous question? I did find adjacent to the directory a reference to LyX15, and in that directory one may find a file called textclass.lst, within which one finds the following lines: > "article" "article" "article" "true" > > "llncs" "springer" "article (Springer LNCS)" "false" Why should this file textclass.lst be so constructed? Other ideas are of course solicited. It might be of interest that some hacking did produce some positive results, though not quite what I need. Basically, I put the class and style files in the same directory as my .lyx file, and modified the \textclass to be llncs. Under this condition, I could generate a PDF. wrb
RE: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
To all who have responded to my enquiries, thank you very much. This posting
details my experiences, and should assist others to both provide such further
assistance as will make it possible for me to effectively use LyX, and also
should
find utility in the development of LyX documentation.
Again, I must use the LNCS class/LaTeX 2e tools in order to submit the paper I
am writing for a conference proceedings volume. I want to use the LyX
interface,
expecting that doing so will ease the learning curve burden, and so speed my
acquisition of TeX skills. My host OS is Windows XP v2002 SP2, and I used the
LyX-154-3-22-AltInstaller-Complete.exe file.
I have not been able to use the LNCS .cls and .sty files which are supplied by
Springer-Verlag, in their downloadable .zip file having the name llncs2e.zip
The zip file contains:
>The files in this directory belong to the LaTeX2e package for
>Lecture Notes in Computer Science (LNCS) of Springer-Verlag.
>
>It consists of the following files:
>
> history.txtthe version history of the package
>
> llncs.cls the LaTeX2e document class
>
> llncs.dem the sample input file
>
> llncs.doc the documentation of the class (LaTeX source)
> llncsdoc.pdf the documentation of the class (PDF version)
> llncsdoc.sty the modification of the class for the documentation
> llncs.ind an external (faked) author index file
> subjidx.indsubject index demo from the Springer book package
> llncs.dvi the resultig DVI file (remember to use binary transfer!)
>
> sprmindx.sty supplementary style file for MakeIndex
> (usage: makeindex -s sprmindx.sty )
>
> splncs.bst BibTeX style for use with llncs.cls
I have searched, including by means of the automated tool applet supplied
with Windows, and not been able to find any reference to LOCALTEXMF
under any condition of case sensitivity. When I look under the Roots tab
of the MiKTeX settings application, I find just four directories mentioned:
user config: \Documents and Settings\wrb\Application Data\MiKTeX2.7
directory does not actually exist
user data:\Documents and Settings\wrb\Local Settings\Application
Data\MiKTeX2.7\miktex\config\FNDB files
common: \Documents and Settings\AllUsers.WINXP\Application Data\MiKTeX2.7
various sub-directories
install: \Program Files\MiKTeX2.7
I have made no change to the MiKTeX2.7 installation. It is as it was prepared,
by
my use of the complete alternate install of LyX 1.5.4
In none of these directories do I find any reference to LOCALTEXMF.
I did find adjacent to the directory a reference to LyX15, and in
that
directory one may find a file called textclass.lst, within which one finds the
following
lines:
"article" "article" "article" "true"
"llncs" "springer" "article (Springer LNCS)" "false"
about which illuminating discussion is welcome.
Actually, it is likely that I am mistaken regarding changes to MiKTeX,
particularly
with regard to the above reference to llncs. I did try to make the suggested
changes
that are associated with Refresh FNDB. If that refresh updated the above llncs
reference, then there is a change; otherwise not.
Some of the suggestions that Paul A. Rubin made seem more appropriate to *nix
systems - a shorthand that I appreciate, I might add.
Translation between *nix notions of file structure and naming and the same for
Windows adds confusion to this process, at least for me. I don't find the
available
documentation to provide enough answers for me to get this thing working without
the assistance of others. Perhaps this experience will provide valuable source
material for additional documentation, which I will be happy to assist writing.
I have been able to start with the default document (I think, by using New
from the File menu), and to add the suggested \usepackage{llncs}
statement in the LaTeX Preamble. So, I get something, and maybe
what I should be getting. However, I am not starting with the .cls
file, nor a .layout file, which is what I though LyX was supposed to
start with: a basic file, augmented with a selected layout file.
Oh well, so the learning goes.
So, what I need to understand now are the class files, and how it is
related to a layout file, and how those are related to the .lyx files that
are loaded by LyX.
I look forward to learning more about LyX. Your suggestions are warmly
welcomed.
wrb
RE: Languages British vs English
Actually, I have had a number of discussions with British nationals, and to a person, they suggest that American English is generally practiced better, with a high degree of attention to the details of grammar, as compared with their British counterparts. It would perhaps be rude of me to mention names, so let me just say that some of these British persons are well ensconced in UK higher education, being professors and journal editors. wrb > -Original Message- > From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles de Miramon > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 4:47 AM > To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: Languages British vs English > > Liviu Andronic wrote: > > > On 3/10/08, Phillip Ferguson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Why is there an English language option and British > language option? > >> What is the difference? Is this an American vs English English? > > Hyphenation rules are different in British English and in > American English and the formatting of the date (used in the > macro \today) is not the same. > > >> > >> Could shouldn't these be label correctly as this is very > confusing, > >> as far as I know there is no British language! > > I guess British think that American English is just English > with mistakes... > > > > > What always perturbed me is that LyX actually contains an entry for > > the "American" language. Politically correct formulations (e.g. > > English (the US); English (the UK)) would look much nicer. > > For LaTeX, Austrian is also a dialect of German and Flemish a > dialect of Dutch. Time to start a revolution ;-) > > Charles > -- > http://www.kde-france.org > > >
RE: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
> -Original Message-
> From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul A. Rubin
> Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:16 AM
> To: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> Subject: Re: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
>
> William R. Buckley wrote:
> > I have need for the LNCS layout, and am having trouble
> using this with
> > LyX. You will perhaps like to know that my prior
> experience with any
> > TeX is zero. In the past, I have used WYSIWYG systems (Ventura
> > Publisher is my first choice, though I am also passingly
> familiar with
> > Quark XPress and Aldus PageMaker). Further, while I do have some
> > experience with UNIX administrative activities, the details
> for use of LyX are not clear, to me.
> >
> > I obtained the LaTeX 2E distribution from the
> Springer-Verlag website,
>
> Do you mean that you obtained a full LaTeX distribution from
> S-V, or just that you obtained the zip files containing the
> LCNS style etc.? In the context of LaTeX, "distribution"
> usually means the full-blown LaTeX package (TeXLive, MiKTeX,
> teTeX, ...). If that's what you mean, *and* if you're on
> Windows, I agree with Abdel that you're better off installing MiKTeX.
Actually, there were a number of assumptions made, that we better
off not having been made. Of course, some of this assumptions were
perhaps prompted by my incomplete description of the problems I am
having with LyX.
I attempted to work with TeX etc. on a previous occasion, and loaded
MiKTeX during this prior experience. MiKTeX I have kept up to date,
and so the download of the Windows Installer for the complete LyX
distribution simply replaced my current distribution of the various
components of LyX and MiKTeX with the current distribution of same.
Having all the proper pieces does not mean one also knows how to
use the pieces.
Were you were correct is the nature of the files obtained from
Springer-Verlag. First, Springer-Verlag would not be in the business
of distributing complete publishing packages based upon TeX. No,
they simply provide class, style, and layout files, which one is to
then use with the TeX distribution of choice as the mechanism of
document layout. The Springer-Verlag download simply supplements
the tools of TeX/LyX, not replace them.
> I'm going to assume that you meant that you downloaded just
> the LCNS files from S-V. Also, you did not specify your OS
> any place that I can see. I suspect that Richard and Abdel
> are assuming from your mention of
> those page design programs that you're on Windows, but I'll
> try to be agnostic about that.
Yes. I should have said this; I work in the Windows world.
> > and have
> > attempted to determine the proper location to which the various
> > components of the download should be directed. That is, shall the
> > .sty and .cls files be placed in the ./resources/tex directory
>
> Your LaTeX distribution will have a localtexmf directory tree
> where you typically want to unpack downloaded styles and
> such. On *nix systems, the path to it is often exported as
> an environment variable named LOCALTEXMF. Using MiKTeX
> (Windows), you can use the MiKTeX settings application and
> look under "Roots". All else failing, you can try running
> 'kpsewhich -show-path=.bst' in a command shell/terminal and
> see what it spits up. Some (most?) of the directories it
> lists will be part of the base installation, but somewhere on
> that list should be the bibtex folder under your localtexmf tree.
So, some of the files that LyX needs to find must be located within
the directory structure of MiKTeX. Sounds schizophrenic.
> Once you've found localtexmf, drill down to something like
> .../tex/latex/lncs, creating directories as needed, and
> unpack your download there.
> >
> > What is less clear is the use of texhash, as it is not part
> of the LyX
> > distribution.
>
> No, this is part of LaTeX. Again, if you're using MiKTeX, you
> don't need to access this directly; use the MiKTeX settings
> application and click the 'Refresh FNDB' button. On *nix
> systems, you'll probably need to run this in a terminal. You
> don't need any arguments; just run 'texhash'.
> >
> > So, how do I install and make available to me the LNCS
> files, and how
> > do I use them to prepare, or work with, a .layout file?
>
> I don't use LNCS myself, but since it ships as a style file
> rather than a class file, I think you should be able to start
> a new document in the default article class in LyX and then
> add '\usepackage{lncs}' to the preamble (Do
FW: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
> -Original Message-
> From: William R. Buckley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:32 PM
> To: 'rgheck'
> Subject: RE: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
>
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: rgheck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:36 AM
> > To: William R. Buckley
> > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org
> > Subject: Re: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
> >
> > > So, how do I install and make available the LNCS files,
> and how do I
> > > use them to prepare, or work with, a .layout file?
> > >
> > This one I can say a bit about. It's likely that the LNCS
> class file
> > is based upon some other LaTeX class, e.g., article. You
> can find this
> > out by looking at the .cls file.
> > It may say early in a comment (comments begin with "%").
> You can also
> > look for a \LoadClass{...} line. The loaded class is the
> base class.
> > So let's say it's article.
> > Then you can try just copying the
> > article.layout file to lncs.layout (say) and changing the
> first real
> > line, which reads:
> > # \DeclareLaTeXClas{article}
> > to:
> > # \DeclareLaTeXClas{lncs}
> >
> > I'm assuming here that the class file
> > is: lncs.cls. If not, then replace "lncs"
> > everywhere by whatever it is.
> >
> > This may "just work". If not, you'll need to start modifying the
> > layout file, especially if lncs provides extra styles that
> aren't in
> > the standard article (book, whatever) class.
> >
> > There's more detail about this in the
> > Customization manual. Feel free to ask here. Lots of us have been
> > through this.
>
> Actually, this information has improved my knowledge of LyX
> but, it does not seem to solve my problems in using LyX with
> the LLNCS layout.
>
> First, even after determining that
>
> 1. llncs.layout is in .\Resources\layouts
>
> 2. llncs.cls is in .\Resource\tex
>
> 3. llncs.cls includes the statement
>
> \LoadClass[twoside]{article}
>
> and then reconfiguring LyX, and then restarting LyX,
>
> 1. document class (Springer LNCS) is marked as being
> unavailable within the Document/Settings
>
> 2. I appear to be no closer to understanding how to use the
> llncs.cls and llncs.layout files.
>
> Have you any more suggestions?
>
> > > Also, I have noted that when I tried to load a .dem file
> (the LNCS
> > > demo file), that LyX did properly complain of the file
> type (opening
> > > a dialog box to announce the problem) but, it kept the
> icon for the
> > > mouse pointer as an hourglass, instead of converting it
> to an arrow.
> > >
> > > Yes, I understand that LyX wants to
> > > load .lyx files.
> > >
> > >
> > What is a .dem file? Is it really a .tex file?
> >
> > rh
>
> My point here was to highlight a interesting behavior in the
> LyX executable. It was thus correspondingly not point out a
> faux pax of
> mine: trying to load a file that is not one which LyX is
> expecting to open.
>
> I now do not know what is a .dem file.
>
>
>
RE: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
OK. So I tried the suggested mechanism, using the Windows installer for the complete product; a total of about 109MBytes of download. All was properly installed. Yet, when I try to configure a new document, the list of document classes shows that article(Springer LNCS) is unavailable. Haven't had time to try some of the other suggestions given by other respondents. I will get to this later this day - about ten to twelve hours. Thanks for all the suggestions. wrb > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 8:33 AM > To: William R. Buckley > Cc: lyx-users@lists.lyx.org > Subject: Re: Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution > > William R. Buckley schrieb: > > > What is less clear is the use of texhash, as it is not part > of the LyX > > distribution. > > You don't need to use this cind of command line commands. The > best and easiest way of getting a full featured LyX/LaTeX > system on WIndows is to reinstall your current LaTeX > distribution and LyX. Then reinstall LyX using the complete > variant of this installer while you have an open internet connection: > http://wiki.lyx.org/Windows/LyXWinInstaller > > LyX will install all needed packages to MiKTeX, also LNCS. > > Try it out and post when it doesn't work for you. > > regards Uwe > >
Layout and Class Files on Windows Distribution
I have need for the LNCS layout, and am having trouble using this with LyX. You will perhaps like to know that my prior experience with any TeX is zero. In the past, I have used WYSIWYG systems (Ventura Publisher is my first choice, though I am also passingly familiar with Quark XPress and Aldus PageMaker). Further, while I do have some experience with UNIX administrative activities, the details for use of LyX are not clear, to me. I obtained the LaTeX 2E distribution from the Springer-Verlag website, and have attempted to determine the proper location to which the various components of the download should be directed. That is, shall the .sty and .cls files be placed in the ./resources/tex directory What is less clear is the use of texhash, as it is not part of the LyX distribution. So, how do I install and make available to me the LNCS files, and how do I use them to prepare, or work with, a .layout file? Also, I have noted that when I tried to load a .dem file (the LNCS demo file), that LyX did properly complain of the file type (opening a dialog box to announce the problem) but, it kept the icon for the mouse pointer as an hourglass, instead of converting it to an arrow. Yes, I understand that LyX wants to load .lyx files. wrb
