Re: [MacGroup] java

[Lee Larson]

On Dec 1, 2018, at 10:33 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer mailto:harr...@me.com>> wrote:

> is there a way to tell where I got neo office from?

>App Store>Store>View My Account

This will show you a list of all the stuff you’ve downloaded.

L^2

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[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

is there a way to tell where I got neo office from?

> On Dec 1, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Lee Larson  wrote:
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> On Dec 1, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer  > wrote:
> 
>> I use Neo Office so I should upgrade, right? 
> 
> 
> It depends on from where you got your NeoOffice. If you got it from the 
> NeoOffice site, you might need Java. If you got it from the Mac App Store, 
> you don’t need Java because all the Java-dependent features have been 
> neutered. This is because Apple does not allow Java-dependent programs in the 
> App Store.
> 
> I think most (all?) the Java dependencies in Open(Libra)(Neo)Office are in 
> the database, but I could be wrong.
> 
> L^2
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On Dec 1, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer mailto:harr...@me.com>> wrote:

> I use Neo Office so I should upgrade, right?


It depends on from where you got your NeoOffice. If you got it from the 
NeoOffice site, you might need Java. If you got it from the Mac App Store, you 
don’t need Java because all the Java-dependent features have been neutered. 
This is because Apple does not allow Java-dependent programs in the App Store.

I think most (all?) the Java dependencies in Open(Libra)(Neo)Office are in the 
database, but I could be wrong.

L^2

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On Dec 1, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer mailto:harr...@me.com>> wrote:

> I got a notice on my computer that a new version of Java was available. I 
> know this question has come up before but I don’t remember the answer. Should 
> I install this? The dialogue box said I had an older version installed.

Java is in a peculiar position right now. I used to recommend everyone upgrade 
their Java right away because the Java plugin in Web browsers was nearly as 
reliable a security hole as Flash. But, most (all?) the modern browsers don’t 
support Java on Web pages any more. (Safari stopped supporting Java with 
version 12.) Almost all Web pages that formerly used Java have replaced the 
Java functions with HTML5+Javascript. (Javascript is not Java.)

So, unless you really need Java for something else, I’m suggesting it can be 
removed rather than updated.

I keep Java around on my machines because UofL has a VPN that needs Java.

There are many programs that use Java. The most common are probably Open Office 
and its clones.

L^2

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[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

I got a notice on my computer that a new version of Java was available. I know 
this question has come up before but I don’t remember the answer. Should I 
install this? The dialogue box said I had an older version installed.

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[MacGroup] Java

[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

I just installed Java and went to a web site that I know uses Java (Thanks Jeff 
Slyn).

Java was trying to load when it quit and I received this message:

Application Blocked. Click for details.
Your security settings have blocked an untrusted application from 
running.

I have three options: Details, Ignore, Reload

When I click details I get this:

Java Plug-in 10.71.2.14
Using JRE version 1.7.0_71-b14 Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM
User home directory = /Users/Jake

c:   clear console window
f:   finalize objects on finalization queue
g:   garbage collect
h:   display this help message
l:   dump classloader list
m:   print memory usage
o:   trigger logging
q:   hide console
r:   reload policy configuration
s:   dump system and deployment properties
t:   dump thread list
v:   dump thread stack
x:   clear classloader cache
0-5: set trace level to n

calling downloadEagerorAll



When I click Reload it attempts to reload but the same thing happens.

I can’t figure out how to let Java do its thing. Help please.

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Re: [MacGroup] Java

[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

More information. 

I closed Safari and reloaded the web site. The actual message read:

Application Blocked by Security Settings
Name: fprotate
Location: http://www.meyerfuneral.com
Your security settings have blocked an untrusted application from running.

I know this is a Java thing because the Java logo appears when I first load the 
page and the spinning wheel appears and then the message pops up.

On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer harr...@me.com wrote:

 I just installed Java and went to a web site that I know uses Java (Thanks 
 Jeff Slyn).
 
 Java was trying to load when it quit and I received this message:
 
 Application Blocked. Click for details.
   Your security settings have blocked an untrusted application from 
 running.
 
 I have three options: Details, Ignore, Reload
 
 When I click details I get this:
 
 Java Plug-in 10.71.2.14
 Using JRE version 1.7.0_71-b14 Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM
 User home directory = /Users/Jake
 
 c:   clear console window
 f:   finalize objects on finalization queue
 g:   garbage collect
 h:   display this help message
 l:   dump classloader list
 m:   print memory usage
 o:   trigger logging
 q:   hide console
 r:   reload policy configuration
 s:   dump system and deployment properties
 t:   dump thread list
 v:   dump thread stack
 x:   clear classloader cache
 0-5: set trace level to n
 
 calling downloadEagerorAll
 
 
 
 When I click Reload it attempts to reload but the same thing happens.
 
 I can’t figure out how to let Java do its thing. Help please.
 
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Re: [MacGroup] Java

[R. D. Preston]

Open  [ System Preference  Security  Privacy ] .

Review the available options, and you may need to 
‘unlock’ it (at bottom) to enable changing the options.

-russ


 On Oct 19, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer harr...@me.com wrote:
 
 More information. 
 
 I closed Safari and reloaded the web site. The actual message read:
 
 Application Blocked by Security Settings
 Name: fprotate
 Location: http://www.meyerfuneral.com
 Your security settings have blocked an untrusted application from running.
 
 I know this is a Java thing because the Java logo appears when I first load 
 the page and the spinning wheel appears and then the message pops up.
 
 On Oct 19, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer harr...@me.com wrote:
 
 I just installed Java and went to a web site that I know uses Java (Thanks 
 Jeff Slyn).
 
 Java was trying to load when it quit and I received this message:
 
 Application Blocked. Click for details.
  Your security settings have blocked an untrusted application from 
 running.
 
 I have three options: Details, Ignore, Reload
 
 When I click details I get this:
 
 Java Plug-in 10.71.2.14
 Using JRE version 1.7.0_71-b14 Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM
 User home directory = /Users/Jake
 
 c:   clear console window
 f:   finalize objects on finalization queue
 g:   garbage collect
 h:   display this help message
 l:   dump classloader list
 m:   print memory usage
 o:   trigger logging
 q:   hide console
 r:   reload policy configuration
 s:   dump system and deployment properties
 t:   dump thread list
 v:   dump thread stack
 x:   clear classloader cache
 0-5: set trace level to n
 
 calling downloadEagerorAll
 
 
 
 When I click Reload it attempts to reload but the same thing happens.
 
 I can’t figure out how to let Java do its thing. Help please.
 
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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

[John Robinson]

Thanks Lee, I think I'll stick with this ver. until their latest is proven.


On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:55 PM, Lee Larson leelar...@me.com wrote:

 On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:34 PM, John Robinson wrote:
 
 Wanted to bring this to others attention….maybe the popup was legit, but if 
 so why would they not want to upgrade to ver 8, update 25?  Maybe the popup 
 was pfshing?
 
 Any suggestion?  I did download the ver 8 but I won’t install until I hear 
 back on the opinions of those that know... 
 
 The current version is Java 7 Update 71and that's what I have installed. I 
 think the pop-up is legitimate. The best way to update is to get to the Java 
 control panel through the System Preferences. It has an update tab that is 
 smart about getting you the latest version.
 
 
 
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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

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On Oct 17, 2014, at 8:54 AM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com wrote:

 Any ideas what 8 is suppose to improve on?



Actually, John, I discovered it the exact same way you did. I had never heard 
of it before. 

FileMaker developers distrust Java in general, so I will wait a good long time 
and let others talk about how it works (or doesn't) before I dip my toe in. 

I haven't researched what it does differently, but it's telling that they gave 
it a new number: there must be SOMEthing significant in it.

You can research it exactly the same way I would, though, with everyone's 
favorite out-sourced brain: Google.  ::-)

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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

I don’t have a java control panel in system preferences? can you be more 
specific please?

Thanks.
On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Lee Larson leelar...@me.com wrote:

 On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:34 PM, John Robinson wrote:
 
 Wanted to bring this to others attention….maybe the popup was legit, but if 
 so why would they not want to upgrade to ver 8, update 25?  Maybe the popup 
 was pfshing?
 
 Any suggestion?  I did download the ver 8 but I won’t install until I hear 
 back on the opinions of those that know... 
 
 The current version is Java 7 Update 71and that's what I have installed. I 
 think the pop-up is legitimate. The best way to update is to get to the Java 
 control panel through the System Preferences. It has an update tab that is 
 smart about getting you the latest version.
 
 
 
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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

[John Robinson]

Thanks Jonathan, I'll wait on the herd to say yea or nay

By the way, I tried to get the API set up today from the data vendor but they 
had some questions about the programmer's experience in C  C++, so I emailed 
the form to him.   He had cut his hand badly with a band saw and that really 
put a delay on coding.  If he can get the data from the firm, convert from 
Windows format to Mac and then get it imported into Filemaker then I will be on 
your doorstep trying to learn how to set up what I want.time always stands 
still.

Hang in there, it may be Christmas morning but I'll be there!!

John


On Oct 17, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Jonathan Fletcher li...@fletcherdata.com wrote:

 On Oct 17, 2014, at 8:54 AM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com wrote:
 
 Any ideas what 8 is suppose to improve on?
 
 
 
 Actually, John, I discovered it the exact same way you did. I had never heard 
 of it before. 
 
 FileMaker developers distrust Java in general, so I will wait a good long 
 time and let others talk about how it works (or doesn't) before I dip my toe 
 in. 
 
 I haven't researched what it does differently, but it's telling that they 
 gave it a new number: there must be SOMEthing significant in it.
 
 You can research it exactly the same way I would, though, with everyone's 
 favorite out-sourced brain: Google.  ::-)
 
 j.
 
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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

[John Robinson]

Harry, 

Lee will have to answer this but it sure seems like you don't have Java 
installed.   I understand from the smart folks that enabling Java on our Mac 
is NOT the Java that is needed for many programs so you have to go to Oracle 
and download the first time, then you will be notified of updates.  

Here is the bottom of my Sys. Pref.  The far right is the current ver. of Java, 
when opened it has several settings, one is concerning updates.

John









On Oct 17, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer harr...@me.com wrote:

 I don’t have a java control panel in system preferences? can you be more 
 specific please?
 
 Thanks.
 On Oct 16, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Lee Larson leelar...@me.com wrote:
 
 On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:34 PM, John Robinson wrote:
 
 Wanted to bring this to others attention….maybe the popup was legit, but if 
 so why would they not want to upgrade to ver 8, update 25?  Maybe the popup 
 was pfshing?
 
 Any suggestion?  I did download the ver 8 but I won’t install until I hear 
 back on the opinions of those that know... 
 
 The current version is Java 7 Update 71and that's what I have installed. I 
 think the pop-up is legitimate. The best way to update is to get to the Java 
 control panel through the System Preferences. It has an update tab that is 
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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

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On Oct 17, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer wrote:

 I don’t have a java control panel in system preferences? can you be more 
 specific please?

My guess is you don't have Java installed. Maybe you don't need it.

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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

That could be. Why would I need it?? That is, what does it do and what is it 
used for?


On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:02 PM, Lee Larson leelar...@me.com wrote:

 On Oct 17, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Harry Jacobson-Beyer wrote:
 
 I don’t have a java control panel in system preferences? can you be more 
 specific please?
 
 My guess is you don't have Java installed. Maybe you don't need it.
 
 L^2
 
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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:34 PM, John Robinson wrote:

 Wanted to bring this to others attention….maybe the popup was legit, but if 
 so why would they not want to upgrade to ver 8, update 25?  Maybe the popup 
 was pfshing?
 
 Any suggestion?  I did download the ver 8 but I won’t install until I hear 
 back on the opinions of those that know... 

The current version is Java 7 Update 71and that's what I have installed. I 
think the pop-up is legitimate. The best way to update is to get to the Java 
control panel through the System Preferences. It has an update tab that is 
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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

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On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:34 PM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com wrote:

 I hope Lee can let this go through if ti’s over our size limit.
 
 While working I had the following pop up for an Update:   I am using a Mac 
 Mini latest OS. 
 
 Pasted Graphic 1.tiff
 
 It looks very official, but when I went to Oracle here is the version they 
 offered for the Mac:
 
 Pasted Graphic 2.tiff
 
 
 Wanted to bring this to others attention….maybe the popup was legit, but if 
 so why would they not want to upgrade to ver 8, update 25?  Maybe the popup 
 was pfshing?
 
 Any suggestion?  I did download the ver 8 but I won’t install until I hear 
 back on the opinions of those that know… 

If you follow the update button you will get Java 7. If you go to the website 
it will show you Java 8. You don't NEED Java 8, so I would just get the 7 
update.

Or you can download and install Java 8. Be sure to keep us apprised of your 
success (or lack thereof) with it, so the rest of us can learn from your 
early-adopter experience.

::-)


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Re: [MacGroup] Java Update

[John Robinson]

Oh great Jonathan, didn't want to be on the bleeding edge, especially with 
Java...

Maybe head in the sand would be best approach

Any ideas what 8 is suppose to improve on?


On Oct 16, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Jonathan Fletcher li...@fletcherdata.com wrote:

 On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:34 PM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com wrote:
 
 I hope Lee can let this go through if ti’s over our size limit.
 
 While working I had the following pop up for an Update:   I am using a Mac 
 Mini latest OS. 
 
 Pasted Graphic 1.tiff
 
 It looks very official, but when I went to Oracle here is the version they 
 offered for the Mac:
 
 Pasted Graphic 2.tiff
 
 
 Wanted to bring this to others attention….maybe the popup was legit, but if 
 so why would they not want to upgrade to ver 8, update 25?  Maybe the popup 
 was pfshing?
 
 Any suggestion?  I did download the ver 8 but I won’t install until I hear 
 back on the opinions of those that know… 
 
 If you follow the update button you will get Java 7. If you go to the website 
 it will show you Java 8. You don't NEED Java 8, so I would just get the 7 
 update.
 
 Or you can download and install Java 8. Be sure to keep us apprised of your 
 success (or lack thereof) with it, so the rest of us can learn from your 
 early-adopter experience.
 
 ::-)
 
 
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Re: [MacGroup] Java Java Runtime

[John Robinson]

Thank you Lee and Ed, I have struggled with this for 3 days, and the guys at 
the brokerage firm know as much about Mac as I do Quantum Physics.   I 
appreciate your help.

John


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 On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:00 PM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com wrote:
 
 He told me to reinstall Java Runtime. 
 
 Make sure Java is accessible on your system by typing `java -version'. On my 
 MacBook it shows
 
 Frodo:~ leelarson$ java -version
 java version 1.6.0_65
 Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_65-b14-462-11M4609)
 Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.65-b04-462, mixed mode)
 
 If you don't get something like this, it ain't there.
 
 
 
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[MacGroup] Java Java Runtime

[John Robinson]

Folks,

Has Apple cones something with Java that won’t allow us complete usage?  

Inside Safari I have “Enable JavaScrip” allowed in preferences.

I have downloaded (twice) the Java Runtime, (from Oracle) and when I log onto 
the account I need I am given a small java file that is downloaded into the 
download folder.  Before Mavericks that was all that was needed to log onto my 
trading account, now all I get is a text box.

I tried  with Chrome, same thing.  I have called the broker three times and the 
last guy says the program is not defaulting to the Java file, rather it’s 
opening it in text rather than the Java.

He told me to reinstall Java Runtime.  

I still have the problem, do any of you know HOW to get Safari to run the small 
file that is downloaded as Java rather than as text.  He said the file is being 
told to be opened by the wrong application.  He may not have a clue.

Thanks for any suggestions.

John

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Re: [MacGroup] Java Java Runtime

[Lee Larson]

On Aug 11, 2014, at 3:00 PM, John Robinson profilecoven...@me.com wrote:

 He told me to reinstall Java Runtime. 

Make sure Java is accessible on your system by typing `java -version'. On my 
MacBook it shows

Frodo:~ leelarson$ java -version
java version 1.6.0_65
Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_65-b14-462-11M4609)
Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.65-b04-462, mixed mode)

If you don't get something like this, it ain't there.



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Re: [MacGroup] Java not allowed?!

[Lee Larson]

On Feb 2, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Jeff @ SLYN Systems slynsystems1...@juno.com 
wrote:

 Mac computers have stopped running programs written using the Java 
 programming language in their browsers, as Apple blocked it because of 
 security problems. Apple has previously blocked, then unblocked, the latest 
 version of Java on the most recent versions of its Mac operating system.

The very latest Java 7 update 13 has already been released. You can get it from 
www.java.com.

My recommendation is that you see if you can get along without Java in your 
browser. Java has been a bag of bugs since Oracle took it over after buying 
Sun. There are several known bugs in this most recent release because Oracle 
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[MacGroup] Java not allowed?!

[Jeff @ SLYN Systems]

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computers have stopped running programs written using the Java programming 
language in their browsers, as Apple blocked it because of security problems. 
Apple has previously blocked, then unblocked, the latest version of Java on the 
most recent versions of its Mac operating system.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/apple-blocks-java-macs-due-vulnerabilities-1B8186534

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Re: [MacGroup] Java not allowed?!

[Steven Brown]

Who is this guy Jeff?
 
Does he belong to this group?
 
Anyway I was just kidding?
 
How are you?
 
Can you repair dead Mac Power Supplies?
 
I am the one that used to live on Southern Heights, I used to work on your 
lawnmower.
 
I live off BlueLick now about a mile from Bullitt County.
 
My e-mail is: sbrown1...@att.net
Steve Brown
 


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Subject: [MacGroup] Java not allowed?!
  

 
Mac computers have stopped running programs written using the Java programming 
language in their browsers, as Apple blocked it because of security problems. 
Apple has previously blocked, then unblocked, the latest version of Java on the 
most recent versions of its Mac operating system. 
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/apple-blocks-java-macs-due-vulnerabilities-1B8186534
 

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[MacGroup] Java help

[Robert Klein]

Hi,

My wife has a PowerBook G4 running OS 10.3.9, and Safari 1.3.2, with the
latest updates installed.  When accessing via the web a Remotelink
application (to view video content--echocardiograms), she can only get the
still frames.  It can't be for Windows machines only.  The web help page
says that Mac users have to have the Java 1.4.1 plugin in order to run the
video: 

Macintosh Users

If you are using a Macintosh computer, the secure gateway works with the
Safari browser.

To determine if your machine has the Sun JVM:

Launch the Safari browser.
From the Help menu, choose Installed Plug-ins.
Look for the Java plug-in icon. Note that you may have Java 1.3.1, but make
sure that you also have at least Java 1.4.1. If you do not have the plug-in,
then you need to install it.  (It also said elsewhere that it won't work
with Mozilla; in Firefox, I couldn't even get the still images.)

Looking in SafariHelpInstalled Plug-ins, a list of plug-ins and there are
no icons, but rather a long list of plugins in section.  Among them is a
section, Java Plug-in for Cocoa where it says Java 1.4.2_11 Plug-in
(Cocoa), and there is another section titled, Java Plug-in where it says
Java 1.3.1 Plug-in. Both sections list 2 MIME types.

I tried downloading J2SE50Release4.pkg and Java142Update1.pkg and neither
would install (message said it can't be installed on that machine).  I ran
ApplicationsUtilitiesJavaJava Web Start which is way over my head.  By
the way, in that same folder are Java Plugin Settings, Java 1.4.2 Plugin
Settings and Java 1.3.1 Plugin Settings.  When I opened Java Plugin Settings
1.4.2, I got a preferences dialogue that did not appear to provide any
guidance or settings for being used in Safari.

In SafariPreferencesSecurityWeb Content, all boxes are checked except
Block pop-up windows.

I couldn't find anything in the Apple Support section of apple.com or on the
Sun site.

So, it seems that the right plug-in is on the machine, but not installed or
working in Safari; therefore, she cannot see the video of the
echocardiogram. There is no error message from the Remotelink web page to
indicate that the browser is not compatible or anything else.

Just for laughs, I tried to access the Remotelink video on my G5 running
10.4.10 and Safari 3.0.3 and had the same results.

I'm stumped, so I am calling on the experts.  What can I do to fix this?

Thanks,

Robert

[MacGroup] Java help

[Robert Klein]

Hi,

My wife has a PowerBook G4 running OS 10.3.9, and Safari 1.3.2, with the
latest updates installed.  When accessing via the web a Remotelink
application (to view video content--echocardiograms), she can only get the
still frames.  It can't be for Windows machines only.  The web help page
says that Mac users have to have the Java 1.4.1 plugin in order to run the
video: 

Macintosh Users

If you are using a Macintosh computer, the secure gateway works with the
Safari browser.

To determine if your machine has the Sun JVM:

Launch the Safari browser.
From the Help menu, choose Installed Plug-ins.
Look for the Java plug-in icon. Note that you may have Java 1.3.1, but make
sure that you also have at least Java 1.4.1. If you do not have the plug-in,
then you need to install it.  (It also said elsewhere that it won't work
with Mozilla; in Firefox, I couldn't even get the still images.)

Looking in SafariHelpInstalled Plug-ins, a list of plug-ins and there are
no icons, but rather a long list of plugins in section.  Among them is a
section, Java Plug-in for Cocoa where it says Java 1.4.2_11 Plug-in
(Cocoa), and there is another section titled, Java Plug-in where it says
Java 1.3.1 Plug-in. Both sections list 2 MIME types.

I tried downloading J2SE50Release4.pkg and Java142Update1.pkg and neither
would install (message said it can't be installed on that machine).  I ran
ApplicationsUtilitiesJavaJava Web Start which is way over my head.  By
the way, in that same folder are Java Plugin Settings, Java 1.4.2 Plugin
Settings and Java 1.3.1 Plugin Settings.  When I opened Java Plugin Settings
1.4.2, I got a preferences dialogue that did not appear to provide any
guidance or settings for being used in Safari.

In SafariPreferencesSecurityWeb Content, all boxes are checked except
Block pop-up windows.

I couldn't find anything in the Apple Support section of apple.com or on the
Sun site.

So, it seems that the right plug-in is on the machine, but not installed or
working in Safari; therefore, she cannot see the video of the
echocardiogram. There is no error message from the Remotelink web page to
indicate that the browser is not compatible or anything else.

Just for laughs, I tried to access the Remotelink video on my G5 running
10.4.10 and Safari 3.0.3 and had the same results.

I'm stumped, so I am calling on the experts.  What can I do to fix this?

Thanks,

Robert

[MacGroup] Java problem revisited

[Robert Klein]

No solution yet, but I did find a great site concerning Java:
http://www.javatester.org/version.html

Robert
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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Henri Yandell]

On 4/19/05, Bill Rising brising at louisville.edu wrote:
 On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:
 
  Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
  put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
  update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)
 
 Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess
 that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier
 updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which
 also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that
 have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no problems.
 Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a mess.
 
 Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.

I suspect the people complaining ran those updates. 

My gut guess is that the new Apple release shipped a bad binary in one
of the files and the previous update allows said binary to be replaced
with the older version.

Of course we Java people are all desperately waiting for Tiger aka
Java 5.0 (codenamed Tiger as well) on the Mac. OS X 10.4 is just a
boring cost we'll have to pay while we wait for the real Tiger to
appear :).

Hen



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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[John Stone]

I did the update on my powerbook and then ran the test off of
http://www.techspot.com/story17413.html, and I didn't get the error
mesage, and I've been able to surf.

The update seems to be fine on my Mac.

John

 On 4/19/05, Bill Rising brising at louisville.edu wrote:
  On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:
  
   Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
   put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
   update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)
  
  Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess
  that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier
  updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which
  also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that
  have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no problems.
  Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a mess.
  
  Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.
 
 I suspect the people complaining ran those updates. 
 
 My gut guess is that the new Apple release shipped a bad binary in one
 of the files and the previous update allows said binary to be replaced
 with the older version.
 
 Of course we Java people are all desperately waiting for Tiger aka
 Java 5.0 (codenamed Tiger as well) on the Mac. OS X 10.4 is just a
 boring cost we'll have to pay while we wait for the real Tiger to
 appear :).
 
 Hen
 
 
 
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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Marta Edie PB]

You know people, it is so wonderful to learn so much. My update has 
been just fine, too, but look ,what I learned in the meantime as I 
tried to check all these suggested remedies!  Were it not for the 
efforts of this group to help those  with little technical background 
and know-how, we on the lower rungs of the ladder would  still grope in 
the darkness.
Marta
On Apr 20, 2005, at 07:33, John Stone wrote:

 I did the update on my powerbook and then ran the test off of
 http://www.techspot.com/story17413.html, and I didn't get the error
 mesage, and I've been able to surf.

 The update seems to be fine on my Mac.

 John

 On 4/19/05, Bill Rising brising at louisville.edu wrote:
 On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:

 Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but 
 had
 put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off 
 the
 update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)

 Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess
 that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier
 updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which
 also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that
 have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no 
 problems.
 Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a mess.

 Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.

 I suspect the people complaining ran those updates.

 My gut guess is that the new Apple release shipped a bad binary in one
 of the files and the previous update allows said binary to be replaced
 with the older version.

 Of course we Java people are all desperately waiting for Tiger aka
 Java 5.0 (codenamed Tiger as well) on the Mac. OS X 10.4 is just a
 boring cost we'll have to pay while we wait for the real Tiger to
 appear :).

 Hen



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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Rex Baldazo]

If you've updated to the latest 10.3.9 release and are having
Safari/Java problems you may have run into this bug:

http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5675631.html

Instructions for fixing the problem are listed here:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380

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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Henri Yandell]

Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)

An utterly broken Java would have been a severe problem.

Hen

On 4/19/05, Rex Baldazo Rex.Baldazo at cnet.com wrote:
 If you've updated to the latest 10.3.9 release and are having
 Safari/Java problems you may have run into this bug:
 
 http://news.com.com/2100-1016_3-5675631.html
 
 Instructions for fixing the problem are listed here:
 
 http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=301380
 
 --- Rex.
 
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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Marta Edie]

Bill, I  have no problems  after the update (  at least i don't think 
so, but i really don't know what websites are
Java based) , however, how do you know you should update Java. I tried  
to look under Find and there is so much Java stuff of which I have no 
idea what it even could be,  so please help  me in determining where 
one finds Java to be updated.
Marta
On Apr 19, 2005, at 11:46, Bill Rising wrote:

 On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:

 Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
 put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
 update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)

 Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess 
 that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier 
 updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which 
 also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that 
 have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no 
 problems. Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a 
 mess.

 Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.

 Bill



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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Dan Crutcher]

Marta:

To find out which version of Java you have, open your Terminal 
application and type in java -version (without the quote marks) and 
press Return.

When I do that, I get:

Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_05-141.4)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)

If you don't have the right version, you supposedly will get the 
message: Segmentation Fault.

Dan

 Bill, I  have no problems  after the update (  at least i don't think 
 so, but i really don't know what websites are
 Java based) , however, how do you know you should update Java. I tried 
  to look under Find and there is so much Java stuff of which I have 
 no idea what it even could be,  so please help  me in determining 
 where one finds Java to be updated.
 Marta
 On Apr 19, 2005, at 11:46, Bill Rising wrote:

 On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:

 Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but had
 put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off the
 update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)

 Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess 
 that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier 
 updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which 
 also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that 
 have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no 
 problems. Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a 
 mess.

 Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.

 Bill



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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Bill Rising]

On Apr 19, 2005, at 15:02, Marta Edie wrote:

 Bill, I  have no problems  after the update (  at least i don't think 
 so, but i really don't know what websites are
 Java based) , however, how do you know you should update Java. I tried 
  to look under Find and there is so much Java stuff of which I have 
 no idea what it even could be,  so please help  me in determining 
 where one finds Java to be updated.


I just went to the web page at Apple which Rex pointed out, and ran the 
command to see if I could cause a dump.

Bill
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MacGroup: Java glitch in OS 10.3.9

[Marta Edie]

I am getting smarter by the minute -- Dan, I  get the same as you, 
thanks . I have only peaked once into that terminal before. It always 
reminds me of going down into one of those Luftschutzkellers ( bunkers) 
to take refuge from the bombs  in WWII. It has that ominous look that 
you may be buried in it forever.  Thanks also to Rex for that Apple 
website which told me  to look for Java in  the installed updates. I 
did not know the Java updates would show in those, too.  What grand 
revelations! - thanks again.
Marta
On Apr 19, 2005, at 16:03, Dan Crutcher wrote:

 Marta:

 To find out which version of Java you have, open your Terminal 
 application and type in java -version (without the quote marks) and 
 press Return.

 When I do that, I get:

 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 
 1.4.2_05-141.4)
 Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-38, mixed mode)

 If you don't have the right version, you supposedly will get the 
 message: Segmentation Fault.

 Dan

 Bill, I  have no problems  after the update (  at least i don't think 
 so, but i really don't know what websites are
 Java based) , however, how do you know you should update Java. I 
 tried  to look under Find and there is so much Java stuff of which 
 I have no idea what it even could be,  so please help  me in 
 determining where one finds Java to be updated.
 Marta
 On Apr 19, 2005, at 11:46, Bill Rising wrote:

 On Apr 19, 2005, at 10:17, Henri Yandell wrote:

 Thanks, I'd noticed people complaining that there were issues but 
 had
 put it down as a minor thing. Glad I've been too lazy to kick off 
 the
 update on my laptop, as it's where I do all my Java development :)

 Just a guess about the problems (of which I've had zero): I'd guess 
 that the problems with this update come from not having done earlier 
 updates (like skipping the Java 1.4.2 Update 2 or the 2005-02, which 
 also patched Java). So... if I had to make a wild guess, those that 
 have done all updates involving Java in the past will have no 
 problems. Those who skipped some updates which affected Java get a 
 mess.

 Of course, I have no way of testing this hypothesis.

 Bill



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MacGroup: Java Script

[Rex Baldazo]

A similar site I like is DynamicDrive: http://www.dynamicdrive.com/

That's where I stole the countdown timer script that's running this
morning on our Techrepublic.com front door.

--- Rex. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:owner-macgroup at erdos.math.louisville.edu] On Behalf Of Harry
Jacobson-Beyer
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 9:18 PM
To: Macusergroup
Subject: MacGroup: Java Script 

I found this page http://jscode.com

It offers FREE java script code for various effects; like putting the
date on a page.

Check it out!

Harry



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MacGroup: Java Script

[Harry Jacobson-Beyer]

I found this page http://jscode.com

It offers FREE java script code for various effects; like putting the
date on a page.

Check it out!

Harry



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