Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

d the assistance? > > Simon F-Original Message- > From: 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2018 8:44 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the > Option key in edit fields >

RE: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Lol, no it isn't ET. -Original Message- From: 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries Sent: Wednesday, 4 July 2018 9:15 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields You might get away with it. Hey

RE: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields OK, now I'm really about done with this MBP. I just realized that I can't restore my old System Prefs, because since my last backup, I upgraded to High Sierra. So for now, I'm giving yup

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Aww shucks. (grins) From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan On 7/3/2018 3:01 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: If it keeps acting up, you may not have to kidnap

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

If it keeps acting up, you may not have to kidnap it. lol Thanks, ET. Cheers, Donna > On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > I did not think of that, super idea. Good luck Donna. I am close to > kidnapping that MBP! (smiles) > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... >

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi John, Nope. That didn't do the trick either. I think I'm going to just go with the new user option. Thank you everyone for all of the help you have given me during the past week and a half. This is a great list to be a part of, and I appreciate all of you. Cheers, Donna > On Jul 3,

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

I did not think of that, super idea. Good luck Donna. I am close to kidnapping that MBP! (smiles) From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan On 7/3/2018 2:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin'

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Thanks! Actually, I just got off the phone with Apple again. Since creating another user solved the issue, I'm just gonna do that and move my content over. Thanks, though. If this doesn't work, I'll take you up on it. Cheers, Donna > On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Donna, Try removing that Keybindings dict file. This file overwrites the defaults of how Cocoa applications handle control and option keys. Might be a way using this file to get page up / page down to actually move the cursor but that is for another day Best wishes, . For some interesting

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

You might get away with it. Hey an idea. This is off list. Let me know which file or folder you want and I will attach it from my High Sierra. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.|

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Yeah, but I'd still have the same problem. I doubt I can cut and paste a system prefs file from Sierra, now that I'm running High Sierra. Donna > On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > I hear yuh. Another approach might be to open the TM folder in a Finder >

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

I hear yuh. Another approach might be to open the TM folder in a Finder window and use the normal navigation commands to get to a folder with the date in its folder name you desire and open it. If you know which folder or file you want, just copy and paste it. From E.T.'s Keyboard...

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

OK, now I'm really about done with this MBP. I just realized that I can't restore my old System Prefs, because since my last backup, I upgraded to High Sierra. So for now, I'm giving yup on the MBP, and going back to my 2013 MacBook Air. It's old, but at least it works. Donna > On Jul 3,

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Its been a while since I was in TM. Enter TM from menu extras and from there find the timeline. You will need to use Window Chooser to switch between the Finder window and the TM controls. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Science is not only compatible with spirituality;

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hey ET, I was looking at that article a few minutes ago. I can get to System Preferences, but I can only see the most recent version date. In the article it says something about a timeline, but I don't see anything like that. Cheers, Donna > On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:05 PM, 'E.T.' via

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Donna, This may help. I've not had to do this but should try it myself. Look in the Restore section of the article. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Yeah, the restore thing is what I'm looking at if I can figure it out. Cheers, Donna > On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Donna, > Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date preceding > the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi Jonathan, No, the option key no longer gives me diacritics. Oh, joy. I think what I want to do is restore from a backup from before all this started. Is it possible for me to just restore settings without restoring documents and such? If anyone knows how to do this and could talk me

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Actually, it's in my library folder, but in the keybindings folder, not the Prefs folder. Donna > On Jul 3, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > Donna, > > Any file like the below in your Library Preferences? > > KeyBindings/DefaultKeyBinding.dict > > > -- > The following

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Yep. It's there. Donna > On Jul 3, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: > > Donna, > > Any file like the below in your Library Preferences? > > KeyBindings/DefaultKeyBinding.dict > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries > list. > > If

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Donna, Any file like the below in your Library Preferences? KeyBindings/DefaultKeyBinding.dict -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi, No need for a clean install at this point. If a new user did not repeat the problem, then, as Jonathan mentioned, it is something in the preferences and such within your current user. In your keyboard prefs, under shortcuts, check if you've assigned anything else to the Option key.

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

I have a feeling when she enabled dictation she made her option key do something different in edit fields. On Jul 3, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Jonathan Cohn wrote: Hello Donna, This means that it has something to do with the preferences in your account and not with the computer itself. Does your

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hello Donna, This means that it has something to do with the preferences in your account and not with the computer itself. Does your issue only happen in some applications? If not it is probably something in keyboard preferences. It might be worth seeing if tinker tool or cocktail has any

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Donna, Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date preceding the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up again, a clean install? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi Tim, Just tried the two solutions you proposed below. Resetting VO prefs did not help, but creating a new user did. When I'm logged in as the other user, the Option key works perfectly. So now what do I do with that information? Thanks, Donna > On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

> > I’m keen to try and be in that spot when it flies, > Could do with a new personal one. > > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On > Behalf Of Tim Kilburn > Sent: Friday, 29 June 2018 3:44 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: upg

RE: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

, 29 June 2018 3:44 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields OK. I'm leaving on a six week vacation starting Saturday morning, so will be pretty lax in my checking of eMails too. My wife would throw

RE: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

it. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Friday, 29 June 2018 2:02 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields Ugh! That's why I'm so afraid of doing a clean install

RE: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

That’s good thinking. I’ve got access these days back to I think it’s tiger 10.4 And surprising how often someone asks for an installer. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Friday, 29 June 2018 1:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: upgrade

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Oh, that’s good to know. I always hated that command! Thanks, Tim. Donna Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:31 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi, > > The Terminal command that I had Donna do did the PRAM reset without having to > do the finger olympics. > > Later... > > Tim Kilburn >

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Oh that shows how much I read. :) I am going to save that one. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan On 6/28/2018 10:31 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, The Terminal command

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi, The Terminal command that I had Donna do did the PRAM reset without having to do the finger olympics. Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 28, 2018, at 11:18, E.T. wrote: Donna, I may have missed it, did you also try

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Lol! Have a great trip, and thanks again for the help. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:44 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > OK. I'm leaving on a six week vacation starting Saturday morning, so will be > pretty lax in my checking of eMails too. My wife would throw my computer out > the

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Not yet. I just thought of that a few minutes ago. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:18 PM, E.T. wrote: > > Donna, > I may have missed it, did you also try PRAM reset? > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > Science is not only compatible with spirituality; > it is

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Donna, I may have missed it, did you also try PRAM reset? From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan On 6/28/2018 8:40 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: That makes sense to me, Tim.  I'm

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Tim, 6 weeks?!? Life will surely go to pot. (grins) Have yourself a great time and do listen to the wife. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Science is not only compatible with spirituality; it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan On 6/28/2018 8:44 AM, Tim

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

OK. I'm leaving on a six week vacation starting Saturday morning, so will be pretty lax in my checking of eMails too. My wife would throw my computer out the truck window if I used it too much :). I will be checking though and will throw in my 2¢ every once in a while. For your problem

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

That makes sense to me, Tim. I'm going to go ahead with the new keyboard, for the reasons you mentioned. But I will try your suggestions. Getting ready to go out of town in about two hours, though, so will probably not get to this for a couple three days. I'll write back and let you know

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi, If it was a hardware issue, then the external keyboard would have behaved properly. Also, the Terminal command I had you do more or less did as much as the SMC reset did, so, that was confirmed a while ago. I'm not saying that resetting the SMC wasn't worth a try, but, it really confirms

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

I just got off the phone with Apple. She had me reset the SMC, and that did no good, so they have said to go ahead and take my Mac in for the keyboard replacement, and see if that solves it. I can't imagine that this would be a hardware issue, but the tech seemed to think that if it were a

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi, So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it sounds to me like the option key and other aspects of your built-in keyboard are fine from a hardware prospective. Thus, software is likely the culprit. Before we do the drastic thing of a clean install, let's try two things.

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Just tried it. The problem still exists using the external keyboard. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 28, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi Donna, > > A Windows keyboard is fine. The only difference is usually the placement of > the cmd and option keys. From the lower left of the keyboard,

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi Donna, A Windows keyboard is fine. The only difference is usually the placement of the cmd and option keys. From the lower left of the keyboard, on the Mac keyboard, it goes FN, control, option, command then space. On the Windows keyboard, when connected to a Mac, at the lower left, it

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Ugh! That's why I'm so afraid of doing a clean install.  I could easily see myself inadvertently doing something like that. I'll keep the group posted. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 28, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Donna, > > I hope the Apple techs can help you. They failed

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hello Donna, I hope the Apple techs can help you. They failed a friend’s daughter and tried to make her pay for a new hard drive when all that was needed was a clean install. Luckily, her father mentioned the problem to us and we had the little MacBook Air up and running in twenty minutes. We

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi Anne, I haven't. Unfortunately, the only external keyboard I have is a Windows keyboard, so not sure how I would test this. But I don't think the problem is the keyboard. This only happens when I'm in an editable field, email, documents and so on. For example, when I'm reading your

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hello Donna, Have you tried connecting an external keyboard to see whether the behaviour continues? Cheers, Anne > On 28 Jun 2018, at 02:52, Donna Goodin wrote: > > I'm using the left. I have the right set for shortcuts for opening apps. I > just tried using the right, and the result was

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

I'm using the left. I have the right set for shortcuts for opening apps. I just tried using the right, and the result was the same. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi, > > One more questions. Are you using the left or right option key when trying >

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi, Tim, It doesn't matter whether or not I interact. The behavior is the same. I hardly ever use QuickNav. So yes, QuickNav is turned off. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi, > > Back to the basics. Are you interacting with the editable field before >

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi, One more questions. Are you using the left or right option key when trying this? Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 27, 2018, at 17:28, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, Back to the basics. Are you interacting with the

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi, Back to the basics. Are you interacting with the editable field before trying to use option-arrow? Is QuickNav turned off? Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jun 27, 2018, at 16:20, Donna Goodin wrote: Nope. This is

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Nope. This is positively crazy! Donna > On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Hi, > > One more try. > > 1. go to System Prefs. > 2. Select the Keyboard pane. > 3. Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane. > 4. Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it. > 5.

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi, One more try. 1. go to System Prefs. 2. Select the Keyboard pane. 3. Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane. 4. Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it. 5. Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it. 6. Press the OK button. 7. Close System Prefs. Try

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Thanks, it is frustrating!  Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either. Thank you so much for all your effort on this, though. You've gone way beyond my knowledge base, so whatever the outcome, I really appreciate your work on this. Cheers, Donna > On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM,

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hmph. That sucks. I hate it when things are not super easy to fix. So, if you use the VO keys, then that tells me that there's nothing wrong with your Option key. Try this: 1. Go to the Finder. 2. From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder. 3. In the Utilities folder, open the

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Hi, Tim, Enable mouse keys is unchecked. I use the standard VO keys, not Caps lock. Thanks, Donna > On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > > Donna, > > Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad. Make sure that Mouse > keys is not enabled. If that doesn't help, do

Re: upgrade to High Sierra successful, but still no joy with the Option key in edit fields

Donna, Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad. Make sure that Mouse keys is not enabled. If that doesn't help, do you use the VO keys, or the Caps-Lock as your VO keys? Later... Tim Kilburn Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Jun

Re: Upgrade to High Sierra.

Hi! If my english was good enough i would right more than i do to apple. I wish i could write to them in Swedish as it would be easier for me to describe all things i want to be fixed. /A > 18 nov. 2017 kl. 22:37 skrev Jonathan Cohn : > > Yes it was an upgrade, and I am

Re: Upgrade to High Sierra.

Hello Jonathan, This is the first OS not to have a French voice during installation since voices in other languages began to be provided. That may have been as far back as Lion. That’s why I say that High Sierra is a disgrace. Localisation has been deteriorating and I’ve reported many of the

RE: Upgrade to High Sierra.

9:35 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Upgrade to High Sierra. Thanks for posting this, Jonathan. The truth is that I'm kind of meh about High Sierra. I haven't heard anyone rave about how wonderful it is. If I can get rid of this stupid bloody notification, I may just delay

Re: Upgrade to High Sierra.

Mark, I think I remember seeing something like that when iCloud first appeared in MacOS replacing me.com . Apple has redone its credentialing of Mail and other services over the past two to three years with most of that information now in System Preferences instead of individual applications.

Re: Upgrade to High Sierra.

Yes it was an upgrade, and I am usually more careful than I was with this upgrade. Usually I clone the current OS to a spare partition on my external, make a time machine backup after the install app has been downloaded but before actually starting the upgrade. But considering that most of my

Re: Upgrade to High Sierra.

Thanks for posting this, Jonathan. The truth is that I'm kind of meh about High Sierra. I haven't heard anyone rave about how wonderful it is. If I can get rid of this stupid bloody notification, I may just delay a while. Cheers, Donna > On Nov 18, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Jonathan Cohn

RE: Upgrade to High Sierra.

next time. (smile). Mark From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 10:41 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Upgrade to High Sierra. Hello Jonathan, I presume this upgrad

RE: Upgrade to High Sierra.

Wow! Sounds like you really had a time of it, John. I’m sorry to hear that. As for me, when I upgraded, my only problem was that the computer did not acknowledge that I had already signed into iCloud successfully. I am certain this had to do with issues with the video driver. In other

Re: Upgrade to High Sierra.

Hello Jonathan, I presume this upgrade was just that, not a clean install? I always prefer to make a bootable USB key to install a new version of the OS and to take the opportunity to do a bit of housekeeping on my computer. It looks as though about a third of the people on my French list who’ve