Hi Sarah and welcome to the list. This will be neet to be able to give feedback
directly to a Microsoft employee without talking around them or behind their
backs:).
I just got through reading 63 messages on this thread. I am pleased to hear
that latest version of Office for Mac is now in Coco
This would be the opposite of future proof. It's a very fragile solution
where there is some 'overlay' of accessibility rather than integration.
It also means every time there is an update the overlay stops fitting
correctly and has to be reworked. Best thing is to no go there.
CB
On 2/6/13
Hi Devin. The only reason why RS Games is now self-voiced is because they
were having too many problems with it working with Voiceover. I do hope that
Office accessibility does come to the Mac.
--
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
MacVisionaries group.
To
Sara,
I would suggest you visit the Apple web accessibility pages. this is a good
starting point. There is documentation on the Mac itself for Voice-Over which
will also give you help.
Shortcut of commands to help:
command f5 activates/deactivates Voice-over. Note, if you are using the
Hi All.
Ms Office for windows is equal to the Mac version. Only reason why it is so
accessible is by third party vendors, not by Microsoft. Microsoft provided the
DOM environment to permit third parties to create scripts in any language to do
custom actions. So JFW and Window-eyes, plus other
Hi there
If you're going to run Pages to learn VoiceOver, I think there is one more
command that you would want to know about. That is the Item Chooser which you
get to with VO i. Then you use down arrow to get to the things on the list and
VO space to make the choice.
Regards,
Gigi
Sent
Hi there
It seems to me that the only way some of us could help Sarah is to volunteer to
be a beta tester. This is because a lot of us, me included, do not have access
to anybody's copy of Microsoft office. I had a Windows copy of Microsoft
office, but I sold it when I sold my Windows laptop
A few notes on MS Office for Mac OS from my perspective:
-In my experience both Word and Excel are unusable. In Word I
cannot actually write and read back what I’ve written. In Excel, I can’t
navigate and manipulate cells. For these reasons I do not use either
programme on the Mac.
Absolutely Max, when Microsoft have accessibility out of the box then I'll say
they are committed. I'd also like to see word and the I phone.
Kawal.
On 4 Feb 2013, at 01:31 PM, Max low.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
A few notes on MS Office for Mac OS from my perspective:
-In my
Not to overstate the obvious but there is a disincentive to MS to make
office accessible. As has been stated by many folks, with Office on Mac
being inaccessible people have turned to VMWare or a second machine to
run a full instance of Office AND Windows. That means Microsoft gets to
sell two
Hi Everyone!
Wow, thanks for all the responses! I appreciate the warm welcome. I’ve
read all the comments, even though I'm replying to the middle of the
thread. And I have taken notes. I’ve also learned that there are also
other areas I need to investigate that I wouldn’t have known
Hello Sara,
The quickest resource to point you to is Apple's VoiceOver Downloads page:
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html
That contains the link to the current VoiceOver Getting Started Guide (that is
also on your computer if you start up VoiceOver with Command-F5), and
Hello Sara,
Some more quick additions of sources of information on VoiceOver related
topics:
I mentioned earlier in the thread that you can find out a lot about previous
discussions on these lists by using the Mail Archives web page for this list at:
My input here is that what you are stating is that by the time Word and Excel
become accessible most people either won't switch or like something better.
On 2013-02-04, at 5:31 AM, Max low.mar...@gmail.com wrote:
A few notes on MS Office for Mac OS from my perspective:
-In my
Hi. I only use office at college. I have windows on a vm on my mac, but the
fact is, that I can't afford office anyway. I do what I can with the word
processors i have and then if there is something that must be done in office I
do it at college. However if office did become accessible on
Hi Sarah
Esther, as usual, has given wonderful information to help you get started. But
I would like to say that, having learned that several screen readers, I have
always found it easier to learn one in conjunction with other programs. In this
case, text edit and finder would be good choices
HI. the voice over tutorial is also good.
hth
Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
Email/ I Message: fb bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
twitter: bubbygirl
skype: bubbygirl1972
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
On 05/02/2013, at 4:39 AM, SaraFord saraf...@microsoft.com wrote:
Hi Everyone!
lol so it is not just me then Riccardo, I am finding the same problems with
Numbers. Shame really, as it could be quite a nice app.
If MS Office was accessible, I would buy it within a heart beat. Most of my
work resolves around using MS Office on Windows, but for everything else, I try
to
I know a number of people who are employed who have to use office because
that's what their employers insist upon. Making MS Office would make the Mac
such a viable solution. Freedom Scientific and GW Micro wouldn't like it, but
we would!
You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off!
It depends on the form that you get. Some of the forms have complex tables and
elements that text edit don't handle very well. Sure you can get the gist of
the letter but there are elements that are add to the docs in order for them to
be 508 compliant per SSA requirements. And text edit does
I'm sure you're right about forms, the forms I personally had to read were on
the web.
You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
Sent from my Mac Book Pro
richr...@gmail.com
On Feb 3, 2013, at 9:05 AM, Keith Watson tkwatso...@gmail.com wrote:
It depends
Hi.
I agree with you Christer.
Here in Denmark it is exactly the same situation.
A very important thing will be to make tables and all text areas accessible. We
are having major problems with tables on the mac as VoiceOver users, they are
not accessible in any application. To make ms office
Hi Sara,
I don't have MS Office for the Mac and can't give you any specific details on
its inaccessibility . However, I want you to know I would purchase it if I
heard on this list it became useable with Voiceover. Thanks for your interest
in making MS Office accessible.
Rod
On Jan 31,
The only question I have: How interested might Microsoft be to make the Mac
more attractive to blind users?
Am 03.02.2013 um 17:18 schrieb Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com:
Hi.
I agree with you Christer.
Here in Denmark it is exactly the same situation.
A very important
Just to add some. My wife has it. I can access most menus but none of the
editing area. This is why I don't use word. I need access to view the document
I am building. I have not explored this thoroughly by any means. I wish to have
it accessible because it is a good program, but will either
The only question I have: How interested might Microsoft be to make the Mac
more attractive to blind users?
I don't think Sara would have joined this thread if Microsoft were not
interested in making MS Office for Mac accessible.
However, I agree with you that making the Mac a viable
Hi there.
As i said in an earlier letter, even we in Sweden would love for MS Office to
be fully accessible on the Mac. I've heard assistive technology vendors over
here say that until the day Office becomes accessible, the mac isn't a viable
alternative in the work situation, so therefor it
Hi there
I haven't had that problem of my Mac getting hot since I doubled the memory in
my MacBook Pro to 8 Gigabytes. Now it doesn't get hot anymore, And it seems
faster.
Regards
Gigi
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:14 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
lucky
Hi again
The inaccessibility of Office did not stop me either from making the switch. I
probably would never have made the switch except that I became frustrated with
Freedom Scentific and MicroSoft not getting themselves together so that, when
MicroSoft made a change, Jaws changed at the
You have echoed my thoughts and concerns so well. Many with whom I have dealt
in the rehab field do not see the Mac as fitting into the average workplace,
and a huge reason for this is lack of MS Office voiceover accessibility. In a
sense, the unwillingness of microsoft to step up to the plate
Sara,
Let me just say that I am encouraged by this thread. I would dearly love to see
the Office suite become accessible on the Mac, for more than just being able to
create documents for use by most of people who I communicate with on a daily
basis.
In 2009 the NFB won a federal suit against
Actually, the correspondence I have received from SSA as Word documents read
just fine in TextEdit.
You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding
Sent from my Mac Book Pro
richr...@gmail.com
On Feb 2, 2013, at 9:41 AM, Keith Watson tkwatso...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you all so much for giving your feedback. This is exactly what I was
hoping to come from this endeavor. I think Sara was a little shocked when I
told her what I had to do to run Office. With her willingness to read this
post, and then joining leaves me encouraged. The fact that so many of
I might be a little late for this thread. But I wanted to reply and give my
thoughts anyway. I would love for Microsoft office to be accessible on the map.
I work at a university and everyone uses Microsoft. I have to open other
peoples documents on pages and then save them as word docs.
First, I want to apologize for my earlier message. I did not know that there
was someone from Microsoft he was reading this and willing to work with us.
Sarah, I very much appreciate your willingness to listen and to begin to work
with us on accessibility. When I try to use Microsoft office on
I'm afraid that's how I've come to look at it as well, as an entertainment
console.
- Original Message -
From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2013 6:22 PM
Subject: Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read
.: Microsoft Office for Mac!
Important: read and leave comments!
Hey guys!
I contacted Microsoft this week about the accessibility of Office for Mac. I
have been in contact with a very nice woman who is now heading up
Microsoft's Mac accessibility. I explained to her that Office for Mac
Hi all,
Thank you J.P. for starting this thread and for inviting me to the group!
My name is Sara Ford. I’m a Program Manager on the Office for Mac team.
Since I recently joined the Office for Mac team, I asked J.P. to describe
his experiences. Previously at Microsoft, I worked on
Hi Sara,
Thank you for joining the list and hearing the stories of the blind Mac
users. Office is undoubtedly an important productivity application for many
people. I have three current clients that could benefit from accessibility to
Office, and I sincerely hope that Microsoft intends to
Hi Sarah.
Welcome to the group as well.
Microsoft office to be honest would be the last hurdle i would have to jump to
be able to use the Mac fully as my main machine for uses while in college.
The bardest thing with office, is the edit areas. I hope that Microsoft office
becomes accessible in
Welcome Sara,
I am glad you made it on the list. I'm excited to see what comes of this. To
my fellow peers on this list, Sara and I have been communicating everyday for a
week. I can assure you she is interested. Just by the questions she has asked.
I personally wrote a note to Microsoft
Thanks John and Sarah. I agree this access to Office is vital in my
line of work with cooperating with clients we work with in our field.
Gabe Vega
CEO
Commtech LLC
Web: http://commtechusa.net
Email: i...@commtechusa.net
Phone: (623) 565-9357
On Feb 1, 1:02 pm, J.P. jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave
comments!
Hi all,
Thank you J.P. for starting this thread and for inviting me to the group! My
name is Sara Ford. I'm a Program Manager on the Office for Mac team. Since I
recently joined
] On Behalf Of SaraFord
Sent: Friday, 1 February, 2013 11:00
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave
comments!
Hi all,
Thank you J.P. for starting this thread and for inviting me to the group! My
name is Sara Ford. I’m
Hi there
I have a question here. Does the Mac version of office read numbers and pages
files? In my case, if I did decide to get office once you guys get it working,
I have a whole bunch of numbers and pages files. I would hate to have to
convert all those files. Thanks bye.
Regards
GG
Sent
Hello,
I honestly think that the lack of Voiceover accessibility of the MS Office
suite holds back many potential Mac users from switching over. For example,
I've spent much time talking with adaptive tech specialist, rehab and state
agencies and, most see the Mac as a entertainment console
Of course this is my own opinion. But I think that hurdle is real high on
making voice over as accessible with office, as Jaws or window eyes. The way
that jaws interacts with spread sheets, is way beyond what voice over can do
with numbers. But I wish you luck. I am a small business owner
Hello,
Thank you Sarah for having an earnest look at the MS Office situation for blind
mac users. Since the latest release has been ported to the 64 bit coco
framework, and that menus work fine with voice over, the bulk of the work wil
be to make sure axaccessibility tags are added to every
Hi there
I am having no problem using numbers with my business, but I would like to say
a few things about Excel. I hope that when you get voiceover to work with Excel
that it's easier to set up then it is with Excel and Jaws. When I was using
Excel and jaws, I never could remember those
All,
If you want something to change, then you have to be involved. Regardless of
what has occurred in the past, we have an opportunity now to get some changes.
Sara, I have already sent you quite a detailed email from your blog. I also
will send you some private communication from my work
Welcome to the list Sara.
I am so excited your working with MS office for the mac to make it accessible.
I agree with all that have posted here how effective and efficient it would be
to have excel and word and office products accessible.
Thank you for working toward a solution and I would be
Hi,
lucky you. haha. I have had success with numbers but, It makes my macbook pro
extremely hot while open, I actually get worried.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Feb 1, 2013, at 8:25 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
Hi
Hello Sara,
Thank you for joining the list and asking for inputs about MS office.
It's difficult to give detailed feedback because the text area of
Microsoft Word for the Mac, where all the actual composition and user
interaction takes place, cannot be accessed at all with VoiceOver. My
Personally, the inaccessibility of Microsoft Word for Mac didn't stop me from
switching over to the Mac. I run a Mac without Windows installed, but I do
still have an old Windows machine. It also hasn't stopped many, many blind
people I know from using Macs.
If Microsoft Office for Mac were
Hello,
just to let Sara and the others know: The german Mac users are also absolutely
interested in an accessible MS Office for Mac. Word processing is one of the
biggest issues for blind Mac users in my country. Apples iWork could also be
more accessible in certain functions and it's to
Hello. I use Microsoft Office every day and would like to give feedback. I
already have the Windows version. If Sarah can provide a copy of the software
and a nondisclosure agreement I'll be happy to test the versions side by side.
On Jan 31, 2013, at 2:34 AM, J.P. jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi there
For myself, I have not used Microsoft office for the Mac, specifically because
I was told it was inaccessible. Also, I don't want to pay $150 to find out.
However, it's my understanding that Apple provides information to developers on
how to make voiceover work with their software.
Hi there again
I am glad this lady is reading these posts because I want to point out that a
lot of times when blind people go to the Apple Store to get there Max, people
who don't know it's inaccessible, encourage the person to get Office for the
Mac. Then, the blind person gets home, only to
If Microsoft was interested in making MS Office accessible on the Mac, it would
have happened a long time ago. Microsoft has access to all the data that all
developers have regarding how to create apps that are Voice Over accessible.
They simply don't really see it as a priority imo.
You can
The 'chrome' of the office applications are accessible to the extent
that the menu and buttons are built from standard controls so they
inherit accessibility for free. Of course anything custom fails so the
font and size menus can't be actioned, although I can interact with them
and manually
:
o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac!
Important: read and leave comments!
Hey guys!
I contacted Microsoft this week about the accessibility of Office for Mac. I
have been in contact with a very nice woman who is now heading up Microsoft's
Mac accessibility. I explained to her that Office
...@gmail.com wrote:
o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac!
Important: read and leave comments!
Hey guys!
I contacted Microsoft this week about the accessibility of Office for Mac. I
have been in contact with a very nice woman who is now heading up
Microsoft's Mac accessibility. I explained to her
.
On Jan 30, 2013, at 10:55 PM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac!
Important: read and leave comments!
Hey guys!
I contacted Microsoft this week about the accessibility of Office for Mac. I
have been in contact with a very nice woman who is now heading up Microsoft's
Hi,
I've used MS Office for Mac on my friends 2011 model MacBook Air when it was
running Lion. I found the text area to be completely inaccessible.
VoiceOver could navigate between the toolbar, menu items and the text area, but
could not interact with the text area. Typing produced no results,
o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac!
Important: read and leave comments!
Hey guys!
I contacted Microsoft this week about the accessibility of Office for Mac. I
have been in contact with a very nice woman who is now heading up Microsoft's
Mac accessibility. I explained to her that Office for Mac
Update! The person I'm dealing with is Sara. She asked me to ask if you could
give examples. For example lack of labeling, scenarios, etc. I am also
including a link where you can contact her Microsoft blog directly
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/saraford/contact.aspx
Thanks, J.P.
--
You received
.: Microsoft Office for Mac!
Important: read and leave comments!
Hey guys!
I contacted Microsoft this week about the accessibility of Office for Mac. I
have been in contact with a very nice woman who is now heading up Microsoft's
Mac accessibility. I explained to her that Office for Mac
to be accessible.
I think it would be great but the only drawback is the edit area isn't
accessible.
Thanks.
Chris
On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:55 PM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac!
Important: read and leave comments!
Hey guys!
I contacted Microsoft this week about
Hey guys,
We are always saying how inaccessible Office for Mac is. The head of
Microsoft's Mac accessibility team is reading this post. Those of you who have
used the software, please give examples where we know it's inaccessible. Sara,
who head's their team is giving us an opportunity that a
69 matches
Mail list logo
