Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Gerry Cook
hi all if everyone sends a message to accessibil...@apple.com or get an apple care specialist to do a screen shot of your computers they’ll have to take! notice as i did for app store not opening properly, and finder busy using column view if you have a lot of files in a folder, it becomes unusa

RE: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Juan Hernandez
I hope you all are sending this info to accessibil...@apple.com. This is the only things get worked on when there are demands for it. Best, JH -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sabahattin Gucukoglu Sent: Saturd

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Wow. OK. Looks like I'll be downgrading then. I do enough online web work with typing into text fields that I cannot have this. Like I said, I've not really had much chance the last few weeks to play much with the system, due to work project deadlines, but now that I know about this, I'll de

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Well, let’s just say that I’ve opened TextEdit more than once now to do it, copying and pasting into Safari, just to avoid the pain of typing in Safari directly. Whether the text is repeated over and over from start with every character or simply not announced at all, the caret doesn’t follow t

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I need a little clarification. Am I understanding correctly that you're stating that within a text area in Safari, one cannot properly edit text which they have previously entered? OK, that's a dealbreaker for me, if so. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Sabahattin Gucukoglu" To:

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
The two big ones that I think constitute annoying but non-critical blockers are the broken editing of text in edit fields on Safari and the continued non-responsiveness while moving around Mail, either in tables in the classic view or in mail message content. If efficiency is important to you,

Re: Mail sounds gone in El Capitan

2015-10-17 Thread Craig Werner
Hello, Anne. A day or two after the public release of El Capitan, another user and I posted either on MacVisionaries or Peel-the-Apple that our incoming mail sound disappeared after the upgrade from Yosemite to El Capitan. In fact, I believe any sounds associated with the Mac Mail app disappeared,

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread E.T.
Sorry Chris but no. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. I think you understand this. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 10/17/2015 6:29 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: OK then.

Re: Audio HighJack 3 on El Capitan.

2015-10-17 Thread Alex Hall
For what it's worth, I have no problems with it. > On Oct 17, 2015, at 21:44, 'Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries > wrote: > > Hi All. > Is there some serious issue with AudioHighJack 3 on El capitan or I don’t > know how to move among items within the grid list? > Thanks for help. > Gabrie

Audio HighJack 3 on El Capitan.

2015-10-17 Thread 'Gabriele Battaglia' via MacVisionaries
Hi All. Is there some serious issue with AudioHighJack 3 on El capitan or I don’t know how to move among items within the grid list? Thanks for help. Gabriel — Namasté! Sent from my iMac27. (Libero) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" gr

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OK then. Next time you have a concern like this though with me, how about taking it up with me off list instead of publicly? that goes for all of you! Chris. - Original Message - From: "E.T." To: Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Safari on the Mac worse than e

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Jamie Pauls
Hi, Brian Thank you for the specific examples. I have seen some of the Safari issues you mentioned. I don't experience them all the time, though. I'm not convinced that the mail issues you bring up our related to the new operating system, though. I'm glad you were able to roll back, and I hope

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Eric Oyen
ok, I will have to do that. I need a disk to back things up here first though. -eric On Oct 17, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Sadam Ahmed wrote: > If your Mac can run Lion you can install El Cap. > > Yours truly, > > Sadam Ahmed > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > > > >> On 18 Oct 2015, at 9:44 AM,

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Sadam Ahmed
If your Mac can run Lion you can install El Cap. Yours truly, Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- > On 18 Oct 2015, at 9:44 AM, Eric Oyen wrote: > > well, > I am not on the latest OS X (with safari). my machine isn't new enough. What > I have noticed of late is that websites are start

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread E.T.
Chris. no its not too much to ask if we can strip out the non essential verbiage and get to the core issue. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 10/17/2015 3:20 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: E

Re: Startup disk not detected.

2015-10-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
For various reasons (probably it’s APM-formatted), the disk doesn’t show up in System Preferences, but does when you hold down the Option key. I’m afraid you’ll have to do the hold-Option-and-guess trick. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisiona

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Eric Oyen
well, I am not on the latest OS X (with safari). my machine isn't new enough. What I have noticed of late is that websites are starting to use scripting that is really non-standard. this can cause a myriad of issues in safari, like invisible fields, land marks that get skipped, buttons that won'

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Actually, it's quite ok. I didn't have any issues with the thread itself. I just couldn't seem to pinpoint down what the initial problem was that sparked the thread in the first place, being it had veered so far from the initial topic. The thread itself didn't bother me or annoy me in the leas

Re: Clean Install and Rol Back to Yosemite has ruined computer

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Aa, so you're back up and running? Wonderful news! I'm so glad we all could contribute to helping you. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Brian Fischler" To: Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 4:29 PM Subject: Re: Clean Install and Rol Back to Yosemite has ruined computer Thanks a

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Brian, Let me just start by first extending my sympathy to you for all the frustration which you've had to endure the last couple of days. Trust me, buddy! I can totally relate. I do want to commend you though on 1, not giving up. 2, sticking things out with the list, as well as with Appl

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
E.T. I understand where you're coming from with this, but it still doesn't answer my question of what the initial problem was that people were experiencing with Safari in the first place. With all due respect, E.T, Is that too much to ask? Chris. - Original Message - From: "E.T."

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Devin Prater
Well, if you don't want to read it, you can just delete it. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote: > > I was thinking the same thing. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "george b" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 8:56 AM

Re: Clean Install and Rol Back to Yosemite has ruined computer

2015-10-17 Thread Brian Fischler
Thanks all, will have to review these steps and how to fully delete the partition as I am thinking that is what caused my severe issues. I spoke to a fantastic Apple Accessibility guy this morning, really great as we went over everything I did and the issue of the weird sound that sounded like t

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Brian Fischler
Hi Jamie, I had serious safari bugs with VO being extremely unstable meaning sites that i personally visit a lot fantasy pros and Facebook two that come right to mind constantly would cause VO to crash. When I say crash VO would turn off as I would hear the click VO makes when you turn it on an

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread E.T.
But it IS opinions regardless who says what. Its not a new concept that when someone has trouble with say, OS X, that makes Windows look very appealing. Or the opposite. How many times have we seen unhappy users of iOS devices state they will go with some other brand? Its a knee jerk reactio

Re: Mail sounds gone in El Capitan

2015-10-17 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi Anne, I’ve heard of a lot of different issues in Mail after installing El Capitan. Mainly it’s about crashed mailboxes. You are the first one with sound issues. Is Audioducking switched off? All the best Jürgen > Am 17.10.2015 um 20:48 schrieb Anne Robertson : > > Hello everyone, > > I

Re: Startup disk not detected.

2015-10-17 Thread Michael
Click the lock in the bottom right-hand corner of the start up disk selection window. Then you can choose which start up disk you want to use. The radio buttons will become available once you unlock your system preferences. You'll need your ministry of password. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17

Startup disk not detected.

2015-10-17 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! I’ve done a usb installer for el capitan with Diskmaker x and when i insert this into my mac and go to system preferences and select startup disk i don’t see it there. THe radio button is dimmed. So any one knows whats wrong? /A -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: Mail sounds gone in El Capitan

2015-10-17 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello again, OK, my MBA has made me a liar! Two of my custom Mail sounds have come back, but the others seem still to be missing. Cheers, Anne > On 17 Oct 2015, at 20:48, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I installed El Capitan today and my only problem is that my Mail sounds a

Mail sounds gone in El Capitan

2015-10-17 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello everyone, I installed El Capitan today and my only problem is that my Mail sounds are all gone. Not just my custom sounds, but the built-in Mail sounds too. I’ve done the new First Aid thing in Disk Utility. I’ve booted into Safe Mode. I’ve reset the SMC. Anyone got any other ideas? It’s n

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Not on the braille side. Nvda is like voiceover on the mac. /A > On 17 Oct 2015, at 02:10, Ryan Mann wrote: > > NVDA is free and it keeps improving. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Oct 16, 2015, at 12:18 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >> >> The only problem is that Jaws costs a lot of mone

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I'm not meaning this to be disrespectful, but I agree totally with Jamie. In all this drama about how the mac is worse, and how Windows is becoming more appealing, we've lost the main topic. It's so bad now, I don't even know what exactly the initial bugs are. Can someone give a refresher, wi

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I was thinking the same thing. Chris. - Original Message - From: "george b" To: Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 8:56 AM Subject: RE: Safari on the Mac worse than ever? Your correct, but don't you all think after 3 days of this subject line it is time to move on with a new subject

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
No, it's not the only way. You also can call 1-877-204-3930. The above e-mail address you gave appears to be a joke. Every time I write them, they hardly ever respond with anything more than thanks, we know about the issue, we'll fix it when we feel good and ready to. Chris. - Origina

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Jamie Pauls
To be honest, I’ve not seen the horrible Safari issues some are experiencing. What are a few of the worst bugs, here? Take care and have a great day. Jamie Pauls jamiepa...@gmail.com > On Oct 17, 2015, at 11:28 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > You can report bugs to accessibil...@apple.co

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
You can report bugs to accessibil...@apple.com. You can also, if you have access to the Apple Bug Reporter, Radar, use that system to file bugs against the “Accessibility” classification. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To u

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Hey Anders, No, you cannot restore El Capitan preferences to Yosemite. Sorry. You had better either have a Yosemite backup, or start from scratch. As for browsing on the web, it’s just possible that one of the reasons you aren’t experiencing the issues others were is that you were using Windo

Re: Clean Install and Rol Back to Yosemite has ruined computer

2015-10-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
You were quite close really, Brian. All you failed to do was repartition the internal disk. Once you’ve done that, you can gallop on with the install. See my other message for tips, assuming Yosemite. In El Capitan the Disk Utility is a somewhat different beast which we shall ignore for the t

Re: Help with rolling back to Yosemite as I am stuck

2015-10-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Assuming that your boot drive is the only other drive, and that you have not used File Vault or BootCamp, then power up the machine, and when you hear the chime (and *only* when you hear the chime) press and hold Option. Wait a good twenty seconds, just to be absolutely damned sure. Then press

Re: Too many voices on my phone

2015-10-17 Thread Stacey Robinson
Thanks I’ll give this a try. I just want the Alex voice. Blessings, Stacey Robinson and GEB dog Kirk. mailto:stacey...@bellsouth.net > On Oct 17, 2015, at 9:52 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: > > Remove all the entries from Language Rotor in Settings. Once you

Re: Too many voices on my phone

2015-10-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
Remove all the entries from Language Rotor in Settings. Once you do, the language rotor will disappear. Be sure to delete downloaded voice data. Either press More Info for each voice and use the swipe-up on the enhanced voice to delete gesture, or the Edit button. Or, if you are using a sing

Re: The beauty of Braille.

2015-10-17 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
It’s lovely, isn’t it? Now if they could add a reading mode whereby paragraphs indent two cells, like Supernova’s Literary Mode or BrailleNote, that would be just wonderful. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: Is there a command to move keyboard focus to the mouse?

2015-10-17 Thread Donna Goodin
Well, it didn't solve my problem, but at least now I know the command. Guess I'll have to just delete the whole account and start from scratch. What a pain. Another place where Apple could have done better. Donna > On Oct 16, 2015, at 7:16 PM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Donna, > > Use key c

RE: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread george b
Your correct, but don't you all think after 3 days of this subject line it is time to move on with a new subject?? J m t -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anders Holmberg Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2015 05:52 T

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! But we can still complain and say a lot of things about apple here. But why not let apple hear from us by writing to them. I still won’t stop using my mac but i want it to be better for people with blindness related problems. So is accessibil...@apple.com the only way to get in touch with them

Re: Apps for Apple watch.

2015-10-17 Thread Daniel Miller
Hi, You just download them from the app store like normal, and if the app also has a watch app, it will say it on the page. Once you have the app downloaded, it will show up in the my watch tab. > On Oct 17, 2015, at 4:29 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > > Hello. > > Where does one get Apps for

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! Well i don’t see much of the issues you’re all talking about but i still use my windows and linux system for much of my web surfing as i want to have good braille support when using the web. /A > On 16 Oct 2015, at 15:29, Phil Halton wrote: > > Windows is starting to look like an option aga

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! So how do i move settings from my old mac mini with el capitan beta to the new macbook air with Yosemite? Can this be done? /A > On 16 Oct 2015, at 10:31, Brian Fischler wrote: > > Oh yeah, and I can’t tell you how much I love the new mail bug when I delete > a thread of messages and then a

Re: Clean Install and Rol Back to Yosemite has ruined computer

2015-10-17 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey Mark, Thanks so much for your nice message. Yes, feeling so defeated that I got a whopping two hours sleep. And in case you did not see my other post, the mac is now running awful even so much as getting a weird distortion with VO that I have never ever seen before. Apps will not launch, an

Re: Help with rolling back to Yosemite as I am stuck

2015-10-17 Thread Brian Fischler
Well unfortunately the clean install seems to have completely broken my mac. This whole experience from El Capitan to the clean install has been awful. The clean install process took hours with VO not speaking or being responsive through a lot of it. When I got to the setup menu VO would start r

The beauty of Braille.

2015-10-17 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I have not used Braille on my I phone for such a long time, I have forgotten how beautiful it is. I just wish I could use Braille on my I Mac or Mac Mini and you could do the same with it as you do on an I phone! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscrib

Apps for Apple watch.

2015-10-17 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hello. Where does one get Apps for the watch? Also, on the App Store, there is a blood Pressure App for the watch. Has anyone used it and would you have to have an extra product on you to use it? Has anyone used this App with Voice Over? What is the unlocking App called where you can unlock d

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Devin Prater
It is, but uses MTP filetransfer protocol. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 16, 2015, at 4:05 PM, David Chittenden wrote: > > Is the Vario file system like braille note and braille sense? If so, it is > probably running Windows CE 6, the last windows mobile system that was > accessible. Note: tha

Re: Help with rolling back to Yosemite as I am stuck

2015-10-17 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I would just like to point something out to Mark. I hope he does not mind. Last week, I arraised my SSD drive on my I mac, and whilst there was nothing on it, I put my USB key in to the mac without choosing the start up disk in preferences. I then put the Mac on and after 3 or 4 minutes, press

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Just a followup, i would never ever ever go back to windows, i’ll follow the mac into the grave and beyond and still be loyal and thankful. /Krister > 17 okt. 2015 kl. 10:11 skrev Krister Ekstrom : > > I don’t know if it’s just me or if my stupidity is once again showing its > face, but i’m hav

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Krister Ekstrom
I don’t know if it’s just me or if my stupidity is once again showing its face, but i’m having no problems at all whatsoever with Safari. I think El Cap is the best Os version in a long while, something for which i’ll probably be called names. Furthermore i’m very loyal and thankful to Apple for

Re: Safari on the Mac worse than ever?

2015-10-17 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
My problem is I use Jaws at work, tried NDVA, used it for a while and didn't like it. The only two screenreaders I like is Jaws and Voice Over. The Mac because everything is built in and the hardware quality to none! If both my computers last over ten years or more then it's a worth investment.

Re: Clean Install and Rol Back to Yosemite has ruined computer

2015-10-17 Thread Devin Prater
Gosh, everything depends on a flash drive nowadays. Ah well, I'll buy one at some point and try it. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 17, 2015, at 2:12 AM, M. Taylor wrote: > > Hello Devin, > > I cannot speak to the Alex problem you are having as a great many things > depend upon the model of the

RE: Clean Install and Rol Back to Yosemite has ruined computer

2015-10-17 Thread M. Taylor
Hello Devin, I cannot speak to the Alex problem you are having as a great many things depend upon the model of the computer you have, the amount of RAM, etc. However, what is extremely important to know is that you cannot (or rather should not) attempt to delete a drive on which you are current