anges that may need to be made to live without sight.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Su
om: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 10:06 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Kawal,
That is a novel idea. Hand a sighted person the b
nd
>> or should be seeing.
>> But it's what makes me a very valuable member of my team.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2
ies@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Kawal,
That is a novel idea. Hand a sighted person the blindfold and then?
It does not work.
You are looking in the wrong place. I know someone who was born blind and
he has absolutely no idea wh
s.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 4:01 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Last time I checked, we live in a sited world. That’s pretty much the answer
to your sited perspective question.
gt; I have to teach or instruct sighted users how to use and or setup their
>>>> phones or tablets be it an IOS device or android.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes it takes a bit of work telling them what they have to find or
>>>> should be seeing.
>>>>
of my team.
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 4:45 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
We share the univers
>> But it's what makes me a very valuable member of my team.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
>> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 4:45 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@goo
t; should be seeing.
> But it's what makes me a very valuable member of my team.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 4:45 AM
> To: macvisionaries@goo
egroups.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 9:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing and I
totally disagree with you.
The
M
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
>
> Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing and
> I totally disagree with you.
>
> These articles are critical because there isn
, August 7, 2017 9:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing and I
totally disagree with you.
These articles are critical because there isn’t that much of
onday, 7 August 2017 4:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
>
> Hello Kawal,
>
> First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, like you, I am
> a visually impaired iPhone user in
Very well said, Scott.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Aug 7, 2017, at 10:59 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>
> Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing and
> I totally disagree with you.
>
> These articles are critical because there isn’t that much of a difference
> between our
>> delete/ignore them.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
>> To: Macvisionar
Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing and I
totally disagree with you.
These articles are critical because there isn’t that much of a difference
between our use cases and the sited community. Apple doesn’t view us as a
totally different group. We’re not shie
ryone
>>> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology
>>> news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>>>
>>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue
>>> to post the articles to the list and those w
seeing.
> But it's what makes me a very valuable member of my team.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 4:45 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegro
for an on-list debate as I will continue to
>> post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can simply
>> delete/ignore them.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionarie
ooglegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Monday, 7 August 2017 4:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Hello Kawal,
First, I fully appreciate the sentiment of your comments for, l
17 2:44 AM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Hello Mark.
Thanks for posting these articles. However, I'd prefer to know what is going
to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted
person will be able t
ing the articles is to keep everyone
>>>> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology
>>>> news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will
>>&g
primary purpose of posting the articles is to keep everyone
>>> updated on the changing policies, concepts, and general Apple technology
>>> news that, sighted or not, affects us all.
>>>
>>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue
&g
hted or not, affects us all.
>>>
>>> Finally, there really is no need for an on-list debate as I will continue
>>> to post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can
>>> simply delete/ignore them.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>
gt;
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
>> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
>> To: Macvisionaries
>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic
You are very welcome, Donna and, thank you.
Mark
-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Donna Goodin
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 8:05 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to
August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Hello Mark.
Thanks for posting these articles. However, I'd prefer to know what is going
to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted
person will be ab
continue to
> post the articles to the list and those who are not interested can simply
> delete/ignore them.
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
> Se
@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2017 7:44 AM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET
Hello Mark.
Thanks for posting these articles. However, I'd prefer to know
Kawal,
My take is this. We do use the iPhone pretty much as a sighted
person does but we have the adaptation that comes with Voiceover. The
experience really is not that different.
If you want the blind perspective, go to Applevis.
From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
"God for you is where you s
OK, I'll be the first to disagree. :)
It's true we're blind users, but we can't just put our heads in the sand and be
ignorant of changes that impact sighted users. Also, some of those changes, as
with the notification and control centers will most certainly impact us. We
just don't know yet
Hello Mark.
Thanks for posting these articles. However, I'd prefer to know what is going
to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a sighted
person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the phone in the
sighted way. I double tap and interact with my ph
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