Re: [MlMt] I need a email provider with: catchall receiving - wildcard sending
On 28 Aug 2024, at 17:17, Michael Nietzold wrote: > I’m now looking for an email provider that supports both of these functions. > Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated. FWIW, alongside Fastmail, I'm looking at mailbox.org: https://kb.mailbox.org/de/privat/e-mail-mit-eigener-domain Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] RPMSG Messages
On 2 Sep 2024, at 17:28, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: > My response would be to tell the sender that their email is non-conforming to > email standards, that you are unable to read it, and that they will have to > resend it through another provider. Don’t fall to this kind of pressure. Put > the onus where it belongs. I misread that final noun and found it even better. It looks like a truly dreadful attempt to solve a non-existent problem. Given the number of services that Microsoft "retires" every week – for my sins I administer the a company's MS/O/W360 account and see messages like this almost daily: > Microsoft classic Viva Engage: Inline PDF viewing in external networks and > non-connected communities retires Sept 30 I heartily look forward to RPMSG going the same way. If you have sensitive, eyes-only content: don't send it by e-mail. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] I need a email provider with: catchall receiving - wildcard sending
On 31 Aug 2024, at 1:21, Randall Gellens wrote: > You might have better luck if you use a mailing list server so that each > recipient gets their own individually-addressed email, with proper "List-" > header fields and so forth. That might help lower the likelihood of your > messages being categorized as spam. Yep, mailing lists such as Mailman are the way to go with this. Not only do they reduce the risk that your mailserver will be blacklisted, but they also make it easier for people to disable messages, and you also get much better throughput. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] I need a email provider with: catchall receiving - wildcard sending
On 29 Aug 2024, at 18:41, Randall Gellens wrote: > I've been running my own mail server since last century and haven't run into > any problems with big email providers not accepting my mail. What problems > did you have? You may just be lucky. Normally, they want at least DKIM and SPF records and you might still be greylisted. Or, worse, and happens to me on G-Mail, your e-mails are considered spam and you'll be silently ignored unless the users check their explicitly. I've had this domain around 25 years and my business one for 15 and you still get occasional rejections because you might be a spam pusher… If one considers that the internet was initially conceived to avoid the single point of failure risk, we're getting closer to unwinding it with one of the key and most reliable forms of communication e-mail. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that within the next couple of years nearly all business communication (outside China) will run on either Microsoft or Google servers, at which point they'll be able to extend and then extinguish protocols… Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] I need a email provider with: catchall receiving - wildcard sending
On 28 Aug 2024, at 17:17, Michael Nietzold wrote: > I had an account with DomainFactory, but they are now migrating their email > services to Microsoft 365. I heavily relied on the "catch-all" receiving and > "wildcard" sending functions, but the new solution does not support these > features. I'm in a similar situation: I hate M365 with a passion and will move my accounts before October. DomainFactory used to be great, but then it got bought by GoDaddy… The degree of consolidation in what can be considered "critical infrastructure" is extremely worrying. Because I can see a need for some customers to get off the M365 rollercoaster, I'm thinking of moving to an Open-Xchange provider to get some experience. But, as others in this list have pointed out, there are other excellent e-mail providers out there. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Lack of Public Updates
On 29 Aug 2024, at 0:11, RANDY ABBOTT wrote: I always advocate for MailMate, but frequently people will respond that the application has not been updated recently or mistakenly claim it is no longer supported. I don't think there's a lot you can do with such users who are not really interested in trying stuff out and have become used to at least one release a year, whether or not it contains anything really new. This seems particularly common for IOS users where Apple uses changes in the SDK to force updates, first of software, then of hardware. Benny has said many times that, due to the scale of the rewrites, he's had to hold off making releases because he knows that there are potential bugs, as anyone who's tried **all** the test releases can testify. Yes, they're mostly very solid, but there are occasionally showstoppers. That said, I think it would be reasonable to push the most recent beta (r5937) maybe as version 1.2. Anyone who does software development will know that it can be quite hard to decide when a new version is ready. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Copy Text from LibeOffice Calc
On 5 Aug 2024, at 18:53, Matthias Schmidt via mailmate wrote: > Hello, > > how do I copy text frm LibreOPfffice Calc to Mailmate? > When I copy and paste, I get a picturepath: The MacOS clipboard is able to contain different representations, including PDF, of the same thing. I'm not sure about LibreOffice but you can see this in the options in the "Insert As…" menu. I don't know why MailMate has a problem here and goes with the bitmap rather than the text, it may be that it doesn't know how to handle RTF, or it could simply be the order of the items. There are apps that give you more control over the clipboard. Charlie Clark -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Delete messages completely in the Deleted Messages Folder older than a month?
On 1 Aug 2024, at 3:53, Henry Seiden wrote: I want to set up a behavior pattern in MM to delete messages older than a month or two weeks from either the Junk and Deleted messages folders. You can do this by adding an action to an appropriate rule: * Condition: is not within last 1 months * Action: delete Credit must go to Bill Cole for pointing this powerful but probably underdocumented and, therefore, underappreciated feature. Charlie PS I did include a screenshot but this made the mail too big for the list. -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Whitelist to avoid filing as Junk
On 26 Jul 2024, at 2:54, leo wrote: Aha, yes, Verdon, it probably happens on the [Fastmail](https://www.fastmail.com) servers! So I have to look in _their_ spam management. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. On its own, MailMate doesn't do any spam filtering and recommends you do this either on the server or using SpamSieve, or both. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Filtering messages on HTML content
On 10 Jul 2024, at 22:19, n...@spectrummosaic.ca wrote: > Thank you, John. Unfortunately Unquoted Text didn't do the trick for me. The > text, as mentioned, isn't visible in the body of the email but rather is part > of the HTML. I think you'd have to pipe the text to a process that can process it and returns just the content. To be honest, you might want to use another program to do this, I think there are other programs (EagleFiler?) for MacOS that are more suitable to this kind of task. Yet another reason why HTML in e-mail was a bad idea™. Charlie. -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate Experimental Build upgrade V6032, installed on MacOS Sonoma 14.5
On 7 Jun 2024, at 15:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > Just for the record (I also wrote Charlie directly), the latest test release > includes a fix for this issue. It was related to a cyclic mailbox reference > involving a submailbox of a mailbox using the Submailboxes features. Yes, though that was strictly r8033 and does indeed solve the problem. :-) This is what experimental releases are for: Benny can provide identifiable builds for users for particular issues: a bit like working off a particular revision in a checkout. Of course, we've technically long passed the time that "normal" releases be moved to a more recent build but Benny has said he ended up changing far more for the next release than he originally expected. I think any software developer has been there. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate Experimental Build upgrade V6032, installed on MacOS Sonoma 14.5
On 2 Jun 2024, at 16:24, Henry Seiden wrote: > Installed. Seems OK in a short, initial survey. Composing with the new > version. I'm not sure how useful such reports are for builds that Benny doesn't even consider suitable for testing. r6030 is still the most recent test release and still crashes for me. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Messages in one account duplicated in some views, but not others
On 10 May 2024, at 14:16, Eric A. Meyer wrote: Oh, good point. I'm using Version 1.14 (5937). You might want to try one of the newer test releases because I _think_ Benny has been writing related code. Personally, I can't go beyond 5964 because of a crash due to a slightly related issue. It's worth downloading a copy of the latest version that works for you so that you can quickly downgrade if there are problems. All the builds are here: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ 6030 is also the most recent that Benny has considered stable enough for consenting users to test. * add UUID and MSGID to the columns to see if they give any ideas – there have been problems in the past with this. Interesting: the UIDs are repeated but the Msg IDs are not. That does sound to me like a bug. Do you have any smart mailboxes that do something with similar messages? Charlie PS. Just double-checked that I still have a copy of _Eric Meyer on CSS_. Haven't needed it in a while but back in the day it was a godsend! -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Messages in one account duplicated in some views, but not others
On 10 May 2024, at 5:15, Eric A. Meyer wrote: I'm really stumped by this one. My primary account (the one I'm writing this from) seems to have all its messages duplicated, but not in all views. If I look in "Inbox > e...@meyerweb.com", I can see all the messages once each. But if I look in "All Messages > Unread", they all appear twice. Here's a screenshot showing the two side by side in distortion mode, "Inbox" (no duplicates) on the left and "All Messages" (the one with the duplicates) on the right: https://meyerweb.com//pix/2024/mailmate-dupes.png In all my smart mailboxes that contain messages from this account, I still see the message duplication. Furthermore, anything I do to one of the copies, happens a few seconds later to the other: changes of unread state, flagging, deleting, etc. Anyone have any ideas why this might be happening and how to fix it? Hiya Eric, I don't have a solution but two suggestions: * which version/build are you using? This will be helpful for Benny in case he needs to try and reproduce the issue. * add UUID and MSGID to the columns to see if they give any ideas – there have been problems in the past with this. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list Unsubscribe: https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Check for Test Build
On 4 Mar 2024, at 16:24, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: > Thanks Henry and Charlie, > > I didn’t realize that was by design. I thought the “Check for Test Builds” > would show me the most recent build. I’ll just visit the updates site to look > for new builds, as part of my daily habit now. Okay, but make sure you have backups! Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Check for Test Build
On 4 Mar 2024, at 15:53, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: > Greetings List, > > I’ve come to realize that my ‘Check for Test Build’ in MM hasn’t been working > in some time. I have done some manual checks and have updated and am running > build 6024. When I hold the option key and ‘Check for Test Build’ in the > MailMate menu, I get the following message > > “You are Using a Prerelease 5673 is the latest release available. You have > version 6024. Downgrade to 5673 | OK” > > This is of course the same message whether I hold the option key and “Check > for Test Build” or whether I don’t and just “Check for Update”. Is anyone > else experiencing this? I have updated builds a couple times recently and > this is still happening. I’m not sure when it started. Any suggestions > appreciated. Benny values stability above anything else and only updates the "test" releases when he's happy with the builds which he tends to provide for specific problems, though anyone can use download them from the website. Personally, I can't use anything > 5964 but at lease Benny's managed to replicate the bug. I think he released 6016 around the New Year. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] There's a NEW official Test Version (6015)
On 2 Jan 2024, at 8:23, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Thanks for the explanation. How about creating a new channel for test > releases? Currently you can choose between “Normal releases” and “Beta > releases”. Would it take a lot of effort to make an additional channel für > “Test releases”? I don't really see the need for another channel, which means more housekeeping for Benny. Due to the extensive refactoring this year, Benny has kept the test releases only for those who are prepared to do the extra work, including rolling back if the build is unusable. Last week we were able to confirm a long-standing bug in the test releases that have made them all unusable for me since the spring. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] There's a NEW official Test Version (6015)
On 28 Dec 2023, at 12:14, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > Charlie: Whether or not the above reveals anything, write me via “Help > Send > Feedback” in order to debug this issue. Will give it another go but it didn't get that far last time so nothing to send. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] There's a NEW official Test Version (6015)
Won't start for me after the update. So, I'll just go back to the previous official test release. Thanks for all for hard will Benny and god jul! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to check test build? [About Experimental MM Builds]
On 27 Nov 2023, at 15:31, Henry Seiden wrote: Hi Andras, You are doing nothing wrong! Benny (MM’s principal architect and developer) has chosen to call newer versions “Experimental” due to their higher potential for issues/bugs and I feel he’s correct in this. So, therefore the test builds aren’t coming out nearly as fast AND he has set up a link to the entire *archive of releases* of which Experimental is an unmarked sub-group. Have I explained this completely for you? Be that as it may, r5964 is the most up-to-date test release, so it is weird if András is seeing r5937. Charle -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New release of SpamSieve
On 23 Sep 2023, at 2:30, Dan Romanchik wrote: > I know that this is a little off-topic, but is it worth the $20 to upgrade? Interesting, while I didn't like the way this was released I'll probably pay for the new version. I see this as less about upgrading for new features, etc. as paying for continued work on the software. Like Benny, Michael is very responsive and works hard on the product. Especially on MacOS, I have a lot of software that demands yearly renewals. Fortunately, the better developers let the software continue to run without renewals, you just miss out on updates, but more and more stuff is moving to annual renewals or nothing. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Getting r5978
On 3 Sep 2023, at 14:10, Henry Seiden wrote: > Benny, > > Please understand, I continue to support your efforts. Despite what others > here call “being salty”, I remain a fan and user of a level that works for my > needs, presently experimental build 1.14 (r5978). If anyone needs a more > stable product, recommend you try the latest test build, r5937. r5964 is the latest stable test build. Experimental builds should only be used by those willing to live with unexpected behaviour and crashes. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Getting r5978
That's because Benny considers these releases too buggy even for tests. You can download all releases directly from the website but I'm personally sticking with 5964. Charlie ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Migrating MailMate to new Mac
On 15 Jul 2023, at 1:01, Creed Erickson via mailmate wrote: > I’m helping a friend set up his new Mac and migrating software from the old > to the new. > > For most things on the computer, Apple’s Migration Assistant is not what we > want to do. A pristine install of many software packages is what is needed. > However, MailMate and all its bits are exactly what we want on the new > machine. Is it possible to migrate all MailMate settings and rules to a new > Mac manually? CarbonCopy Cloner is the best app for managing backups. It gives you complete control over what you save and restore. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] good email providers that play well w/ MailMate [was: moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?]
On 14 Apr 2023, at 12:58, Ken Pope wrote: Thank you for the detailed, helpful instructions on how to move from my current dedicated server to Fastmail while continuing to use MailMate. A very naive question: I’m currently using a domain name (k...@kenpope.com) for my MailMate mail. I want to continue to use that name when I move to Fastmail. If I open an account at Fastmail with that domain name, won’t it close/end the account at my current dedicated server *before* I can transfer my messages (i.e., I can’t have both my current *and* my Fastmail accounts under the same k...@kenpope.com, can I?)? E-mails are really just files on the server, so it's perfectly possible to move them between k...@kenpope.com and k...@fastmail.com. You will **always** have a Fastmail user so the migration will normally: * set up this user account * migrate the e-mail to this account * check everything is okay * migrate the domain and set up the user In MailMate you can follow this by: * creating a new account for FastMail as "Ken New" * checking everything once FastMail has imported the data and your machine has synched * migrate the domain * edit account settings for "Ken" to point to the FastMail server * edit account settings for "Ken New" to point to the old server, just in case and rename it "Ken Old" * close the old account * once you sure everything is okay, delete "Ken Old" But if I open a Fastmail account under a different name (e.g., “k...@fastmail.com”), how do I then change my account name at Fastmail to k...@kenpope.com? That's really just an alias once everything has been done. FastMail says it has a migration service but the docs don't seem to be easy to find but I'd check that first. Charlie Clark -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] good email providers that play well w/ MailMate [was: moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?]
On 13 Apr 2023, at 22:05, Ken Pope wrote: What would you recommend as the *easiest* way for someone with little computer competence to transfer my current MM store of emails & folders into Fastmail so that they will be available should I use the web to access my Fastmail account via the web from another computer (i.e., not my computer that has MM)? It depends to some degree on the volume of e-mail you need to move. First of all, make sure you have a local backup, either via Time Machine (or Carbon Copy) or a dedicated e-mail archive. The **easiest** approach is probably just to drag the folders in MailMate. However, this will involved uploading all the e-mail to the new server. So, for any significant volume, server-to-server is the better approach. This should also allow you to keep any existing rules, etc. for these folders by letting you simply rename servers once the move has been completed: you can create a copy of the old account just in case. Two or three of the online review services that review different email providers had two general concerns about Fastmail (aside from privacy, which I’m aware of): (a) service outages, & (b) occasional lag times of 3,4, or even up to 7 hours before a response from their customer/tech service. Have any of you Fastmail users experienced either of those? All mail providers have service outages at some point, but e-mail is configured to be tolerant of these. The important thing is whether outages are announced or not. I don't use FastMail myself but have only ever seen positive feedback from users that do over many years. Personally, I value the kind of feedback you've had here way above any online reviews. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] moving my mail from one server to another—will my IMAP mailboxes & their contents survive the move?
On 5 Apr 2023, at 22:39, Ken Pope wrote: Looking forward (sort of). Had done a lot of searching to find a company that was significantly cheaper than the wonderful Liquid Web (I hate leaving them—they’re terrific) and Go Daddy seemed the best of the very, very, very cheap companies that provide a fully-managed dedicated server for 4 websites and my high-volume mail accounts. I'm slightly curious as to why you think you need fully-managed but dedicated servers just for websites and e-mail. Dedicated servers are normally for those of us who are happy to do at least some sysadmin work, or who need special software installing. Even then, it's very common to offload things like e-mail to external servers. E-mail isn't very resource or storage intensive, but running mail servers does now require fairly specialised knowledge and regular updates. So, what do you need the dedicated servers for? Are you using specialised software on the websites? And what are your total e-mail storage requirements? Finally, you must also consider that there **is** a minimum cost for doing business. If you can't afford this then it might be time to get out. Going with a provider just because they're cheap can quickly end up being quite expensive. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] r5943 is unstable
On 23 Feb 2023, at 13:38, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > This issue should be fixed in r5944, but it's likely there will be other > issues since r5943 was a major update. It's not all bad though. A lot of code > has been improved/simplified and some issues (long standing issues) have been > fixed and other issues will now be easier to fix/improve. Stable so far! Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] r5943 is unstable
On 23 Feb 2023, at 12:21, Henry Seiden wrote: Had no issues with the previous version in this regard, 5942. I mentioned a **specific** release with risks mentioned in release notes for it. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] r5943 is unstable
Hi all, just letting you that r5943, released 2022-02-22, is unstable and very likely to crash. It was fine initially on my machine but then became unusable and Benny has other reports of crashes. The advice, therefore, is to avoid this one! All MailMate releases are here: http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ Good to know if you need to downgrade! Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New Test Build (5929)
On 14 Dec 2022, at 17:36, Dan Pritts wrote: This is what I was looking for, thanks! regarding test builds - my experience is that mailmate test builds are usually fine but I've had the occasional flakey release. I presume that Benny does a bit more QA (or, at least, watches for reports on the mailing list) before calling something beta. Not sure if that's true to be honest: they're have been "betas" in the past that have been pulled. In both cases you should be prepared to rollback. What Benny really needs is either a time machine and/or a [duplicator](https://calvinandhobbes.fandom.com/wiki/Duplicator) so that he can carve a release from earlier changes and work on some of the bigger stuff in peace. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New Test Build (5929)
On 6 Dec 2022, at 15:05, Henry Seiden wrote: > Hello All, > > New Test Build 5929 came up today as available. Benny has new features which > by the way are NOT backwards compatible regarding header and conditions field > types as numeric value declarations. Read the Release Notes carefully before > applying the update. Actually, it was released on 1st December and anyone on the beta channel should be prepared for breakages. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to get the ID of the message that was just sent?
On 27 Sep 2022, at 1:24, Robert Wall wrote: > Working through some task automation here, and what I really need is the > ability to get a message link to my sent message right after I hit "send" so > that I can shuttle it off to my task manager. > > I know I can get the message link if I open up "Sent", click on the message, > and then do the Edit -> Copy as Link. > > But is there any faster way to do that? Maybe some sort of AppleScript voodoo? As with database OIDs, I would strongly advise against an internal ID for the use in any kind of transaction; it's always better either to get the next id in advance or within the transaction. That said, create a view showing the message ID, ORDER BY MSG ID DESC and grab the top one. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
On 14 Sep 2022, at 14:31, Henry Seiden wrote: > Currently digesting what that means and how to use it, if at all. It’s > frankly not a high priority and it may even be not worth further trouble. But > it is good to know about since the developers spent time on it. I think it's come up before, but speaking as a developer, it's often best letting users write the documentation and I think this would be best for MailMate. I'm not a huge fan of wikis but they might work. Otherwise, there are now some great toolchains for producing online documentation from plaintext files from VCS. I'm most familiar with Sphinx for Python documentation but Pandocs is another good alternative. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MacOS 13 Ventura
On 5 Sep 2022, at 16:13, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > My main development machine (MacBook Pro 2015) does not support Ventura. I am > naturally considering an upgrade, but I seem to have very persistent FOBO > (Fear of Better Options) when trying to make a decision. Similar here, though in my case it's my backup machine. I've had a couple of hardware failures with Macs which have taken a couple of days to fix so a backup machine is unavoidable. But I also think that Apple has a lot on its plate with the move to ARM combined with the needless toyification of MacOS, trying to make it more like IOS, because Apple seems to assume we all have I-Phones; we don't. This reminds me of the move to OS X and Intel from System 9 and PowerPC and it took a lot of versions to iron out some fairly nasty bugs. And release quality seems to have gone downhill from there. The old mantra in software is wait for version 3 at least… Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Searching on attachment filenames
On 1 Jun 2022, at 16:55, Glenn Parker wrote: > Is anyone else able to get reliable search results on attachment filenames in > MailMate? > > I have an IMAP folder that contains some messages with an attached file > called “Attachment.ics” (standard Zoom calendar invite). > > If I just search for “A ics”, I only see messages from year 2020 and earlier. > I verified that I have messages from year 2022 with an “Attachment.ics” > attached file. > > I tried rebuilding my entire message database, but I still get the same > results. Is this maybe a problem with searching on filename extensions versus > the main filename? > > Using Edit > Find > Mailbox Search… was even worse. I enabled > “Attachment-Name” as a search option, but I get zero messages no matter what > I search for. > > NB: I already sent a separate email about this using the Send Feedback… > option, but I wanted to check with others, too. Working fine here. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to schedule rules running in MailMate?
On 21 Apr 2022, at 22:29, Robert Wall wrote: > TL;DR - I'd like to be able to fire off the mail rules for a given folder > once per day. > > Longer explanation: > > I have a server that sends me status emails. A lot of status emails. And I > need to receive these status emails not because I want to read every single > one, but because if something goes sideways I need to be able to poke through > the messages for clues / hints. > > I don't need to keep these messages longer than a couple of weeks - 30 days > max. > > And I have other situations where I'll get 3 or 4 messages for the same > thing. Amazon order placed, Amazon order shipped, Amazon order delayed, > Amazon order delivered being a good example. I only need to keep the last one. > > So I have some existing rules that I can fire off manually which will look > for stuff with certain subject lines / senders that's older than 30 days or > so, and clean those up - but I still have to run them manually. > > I'm more than happy to use cron, launchd, or some sort of system automation > to tell MailMate to do this if that's what's required. Or if there's a way in > the software itself, that would be wonderful as well. > > Any thoughts? Yes. Based on something Bill Cole mentioned a while back I set up a virtual folder to collect such messages with a condition "date received is not within last" 30 days and a rule to delete the mails permanently. This needs better documentation but shows the power and flexibility of MailMate's approach. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Attachments list to bottom?
On 21 Apr 2022, at 14:36, John Hughes via mailmate wrote: > I didn’t see a reply to Quinn’s question so is there a solution to this? I’m > using version 5852. I don't think so. Ideally, we need something a bit like the "tray" used when adding attachments and this should be expandable/collapsible. But I think this kind of UI candy tends to be quite tricky. Maybe someone could mock up a design? Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How can I save the HTML part of an email so that I can open in a browser or text editor?
On 2 Mar 2022, at 3:20, Quinn Comendant wrote: > That's what I've been doing, but it's not convenient because the raw email > part will be either base64 or quoted-printable encoded, which is not easy to > decode. Base64 is easy to decode, but it seems to be less common. I'm not > sure how to decode quoted-printable correctly. > > The reason I want to extract HTML messages is to analyze them to improve the > spam filtering on the mail servers I manage, and it's really useful to be > able to access the html. You might want to look at how the plugins work. The e-mails themselves should be available as text files and lots of programming languages have e-mail processing libraries that you could pass the e-mails to. This would let you strip out the HTML for further processing. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Scrolling of message contents gets "stuck"
On 1 Mar 2022, at 14:26, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > I should have been more precise: It likely requires resizing in a way that > changes the height of the message, e.g., if a line needs to be wrapped. But > maybe I'm wrong. > > In any case, I did locate and fix a bug which could explain this issue. > Please try r5875. Hiya Benny, not sure if this is relevant but rendering HTML seems to be pretty slow. I occasionally have to switch to HTML to view a message and when I did this this morning with a change to PayPal's T&Cs it was a bit like watching treacle. It is a very long e-mail but still feels unusually slow (same in 5875 as in 5874). Let me know if you want the original e-mail. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Keystroke combination that seem to work for me in MM Build 5670+
On 24 Feb 2022, at 9:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
Despite being Danish I haven't really ever looked into the issue of
localizing keyboard shortcuts.
I know a lot of people who aren't developers use the US layout all the
time but my touch typing has never been good and, besides I grew up with
EN UK…
I did notice though that Apple is apparently trying to solve the
problem described above in macOS 12. To learn more, a starting point
could be the links/quotes in this blog post.
In short, a shortcut like ⌥⌘[ will be mapped to something using
the same physical keys as on the US keyboard. This does appear to
happen if I switch to a Danish keyboard layout.
This is just for your information, I haven't really developed an
opinion on whether it's good or bad :)
Thanks very much for the link, but it sounds awful! Anyway, I'm holding
of from ≥ 12 until I'm sure Apple has fixed most of the bugs and
hasn't crippled the OS by turning it into IOS for big screens! ;-)
Seeing as MM has bindings for **nearly** every command I can see this is
a problem. AFAIK it's really only [] and {} that are off limits for most
mappings because they have to be composed. French mappings have their
very own weirdness not related to an alphabet with more than 26
characters…
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Re: [MlMt] Keystroke combination that seem to work for me in MM Build 5670+
On 23 Feb 2022, at 3:20, Henry Seiden wrote: I found these keystroke combos that seem to work on my machine without any alteration in MM. Maybe we should start a list of them to see if they are “universal” for all or use the list to build up something for Benny to put in his help docs? MailMate supports the MacOS standard keybindings and, as such, shouldn't really document them. However, many of them are not known – I know lots of people who **never** use keyboard shortcuts – so a link to a site with them would be useful. Then, there are the keyboard shortcuts which won't work with certain keymappings: on a German keyboard, I can't switch between message parts because [ and ] have to be composed… I assume that someone, somewhere has documented workarounds for this but I haven't found any. :-( Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] "Sent" vs "Sent Message" Problem
On 24 Feb 2022, at 1:56, Robert DelRossi wrote: > I have an issue I can’t put my finger on. My email sent via iOS on both my > iPhone and iPad shows up in a folder called Sent. That makes sense to me as > that’s how my email server is configured. > > But my email sent via Mailmate on my desktop Mac shows up in “Sources” in a > folder called “Sent Messages” and not at all in the Sent Messages folder > shown at the top of the Mailmate screen. > > In iOS I can configure where I went sent mail to be stored. Can I do that > somewhere in Mailmate? > > As you can imagine, this is super frustrating, as it makes it impossible to > see all my sent messages for an account in any one place. > > Any ideas where I’ve screwed this up? I think Apple Mail defaults to using (and creating) "Sent Messages". In Mailmate, as with other mail programmes, you can set the type of a mailbox so that it knows what to do. For example, set the mailbox to be "Sent Messages" and things should be fine. It took me a while, but I realised I could set the "learn spam" folder to "junk" for one of my accounts that has Spambayes on the server. Note that "Sources" are the e-mail accounts and the top mailboxes special virtual folders that aggregate e-mail across accounts. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Auto Signature
On 13 Jan 2022, at 15:38, James Coffey wrote: > The signature selection is driving me nuts. It always includes my work > signature with my work address and personal gmail, no matter how often I > delete the sig from gmail mails. Any suggestions? Check the signature preferences, you can tell MailMate to ignore history, reset it, etc. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Antvirus scanner
On 26 Nov 2021, at 9:54, leo wrote: > Ok, so I might just delete them manually in MailMate. I guess they then go in > the system trash. And \_there\_ the Antivirus will probably delete them… No, they won't be deleted until you empty the trash in MailMate. But if you like you can configure an action to do this for you automatically after a certain amount of time. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Antvirus scanner
On 25 Nov 2021, at 14:40, leo wrote: > Hi there > > I have installed a virus scanner on my Mac and it reports viruses in a few > EMLs in MailMate’s Application Support folder: > > [ "Virus in MailMate_Screen Shot 2021-11-25 at 4.59.33 pm_sml.jpg" ] > > I assume these viruses are windows viruses > > My virus scanner says it cannot delete the viruses (which, I think, is good, > because if they get deleted from outside of MailMate MailMate might get out > of step…). > > But how can I delete these EMLs. Or do I not need to bother? > > Many thanks for any help, I'd just install SpamSieve and train them as spam. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown formatting
On 9 Nov 2021, at 18:52, Steve Hodgson wrote: I’m running Version 1.14 (5843). Seems ok today. Looks like Benny has got round to releasing new beta versions: I got 5844 yesterday after being on 5820 for months. 5820 was very stable and had the new Markdown engine. I **think** that, while most of the changes since then have affected message views and the composer, the Markdown engine should have been unaffected. One major niggle has at least been resolved: I'm no longer seeing oodles of newlines when replying to e-mails. So, thanks Benny! Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown formatting
On 7 Nov 2021, at 15:25, Steve Hodgson wrote: > I’ve recently noted that I am having to press [Enter] three times to put a > blank line between paragraphs in markdown when editing messages. > > Is there any way to revert to the usual two? I think you should check which version of MailMate you're using. IIRC there were some problems due a switch in the Markdown engine but I haven't come across any in the last six months or so. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Apple-F doesn't function as expected if message window is open
On 16 Sep 2021, at 12:34, Raza Rizvi wrote: > Hi, > > This has been bugging me for a while, but as the subject says, using Apple F > is normally reserved to help find text matching your input. If you have focus > on a Mailmate message window, it collapses that window so that it ends as a > narrow window showing the red button to close the window, with no text. > > The only way I have found to return the window to any form of usable state > is to use Window/Zoom and resize it. On occasions eve this will just make the > narrow window taller in size. > > I cannot find any listing of Apple F in the Mailmate menus, nor in the > keybinding files (in 5820), so I cannot work out what is going on, and why. > > Closing Mailmate and reopening it does not make the same mail message return > to ‘normal’ size, it retains its new narrow size… > > Any suggestions? It's just a bug: you can resize the window using the mouse but it is annoying as the separate message window size will stay like this until they're resized. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Disabling auto-switching of sender From: address?
On 10 Sep 2021, at 0:08, Robert Brenstein wrote: > I learned (trained myself) to first enter TO and then adjust FROM if needed. > I actually like the fact that MM adjust the FROM based on the TO. In my case, > it gets it right most of the time and I have a dozen FROM addresses, each for > a different purpose. It seems that last used FROM for a given TO is usually > given a preference. Generally works for me, too. I think the bigger problem is sending to contacts with multiple addresses: I keep including SWMBO's private e-mail address in some business correspondence. But I think you can disable the behaviour in the settings: New Messsage: Default Account. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Best way to keep MailMate up-to-date
On 7 Sep 2021, at 16:26, Nicolas Mitchell wrote: Looks like the release notes are /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/Resources/ReleaseNotes.html, rather than at the end of a URL. So, for a particular release you can visit http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/, download the version you’re interested in and dive into the package. While I could easily write something to do this, it seems like a lot of work and would **still** not indicate whether a release was suitable for the beta channel or maybe just a hot fix. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Best way to keep MailMate up-to-date
On 7 Sep 2021, at 14:49, Ian Petersen wrote: > Release notes are in the help menu … ;-) I know that, but the URL isn't exposed so you can't use it to check for new releases. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Best way to keep MailMate up-to-date
On 6 Sep 2021, at 20:45, Sam Birch wrote: > Sorry, scratch that. Those docs are extremely out-of-date. All builds are available here: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ However, it should be noted that this is indiscriminate and also includes "brown bag" builds like r5821 and r5822. Release notes for the post September 2020 builds must be somewhere but I'm not skilled enough to discover the URL, though Benny normally communicates this anyway. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Where is send later email?
On 2 Sep 2021, at 14:07, Annamarie Pluhar wrote: > Hi > > I consistently get a message when I want to quit MM that I have one message > waiting to be sent. I can’t find it. It’s not in drafts. Where is it? How do > I get rid of the message? I could simply send it - but not knowing what it > is and that it is 7 months old I’m leery of doing that. This sounds like there was a problem with sending an e-mail at some point but that doesn't necessarily have to be MailMate. I occasionally have problems sending from FairEMail - network stuff, certs not being okay and such e-mails are in a separate "outgoing" folder. You might want to check the IMAP subscriptions to see if you've got folders that you're not seeing. Otherwise it should be possible to query for outgoing mail that hasn't been sent yet. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Best way to keep MailMate up-to-date
On 1 Sep 2021, at 7:54, leo wrote: The Markdown table issue (see thread “_Markdown tables and the Markdown engine in general_”) made me aware that it is a good idea to keep MailMate up-to-date. What’s the best way to do this? The only way to get to the current not-beta version I can see is to manually option-click the _Check Now_ button in the Preferences. Is there a way to tell MailMate to automatically checked for these non-beta prereleases? The so called “Normal” release is really pretty outdated by now… I think a new release is due fairly soon but the beta period has become extended because of the scale of the non-reversible changes that inevitably require extensive testing to tease out some subtle bugs. In general, the betas have proved remarkably stable, and in the odd case that a new one breaks things severely, Benny normally pushes an update out quickly, or you can just install the last known stable version. This certainly isn't ideal, but it's much better than most software. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Sending plain text email
On 20 Aug 2021, at 9:56, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: > Hi, > > I am a bit confused, as I cannot send an email in plain text format. It > seems that Mailmate always generates HTML, _even_ if I choose plaintext in > composer. > > I do not have a signature with that account, I switch to "plainText" in > composer. (the html-view stays open!) > > Any ideas? What version of MM are you on and what are your composer settings? I've just set markup to None and I'm not getting any richtext. If you think there is a bug, the best thing is also to submit a report on the tracker. I hate HTML mail but have been largely able to ignore thanks for MailMate judicious support. And let's face it, we probably all have a majority of correspondents who have no idea what text/plain is. But my biggest beef with the world is definitely top-posting! But every day I'll still saddle Rosinante and continue to tilt at those windmills! Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] how do I convince MM that my one friend doesn't belong in the junk folder?
On 29 Jul 2021, at 18:14, Jo wrote: > I'm on a mailing list with some friends - a google group, much like this list. > > Most of the messages that arrive show the person's name (user name) and > email address in the 'from' field, occasionally, just an email address. But > I've noticed that one person is showing her name in quotes followed by 'via > nameofgroup ' and THOSE messages are ending up > in my junk folder every time, regardless of how many times I mark it as not > junk and tell spam sieve to reevaluate, etc. The group address IS in my > address book, too. > > This is recent, this group has existed for many years, and she didn't use to > end up in junk, so I don't know what changed, and she's fairly technically > challenged so it's hard to pin her down on anything she may be doing > differently. She's mostly responding to messages on her iPhone, if that makes > a difference (although others are doing that as well). On its own MailMate doesn't mark any e-mail as spam so something else is doing this. You can enable the spam score in the column view to see if something on the server is doing this and flagging the e-mail as spam. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MM copy an paste: empty lines
On 1 Jul 2021, at 15:14, Robert Anders wrote: > Hi. > > I don't know when this changed, but im getting empty lines between text > and/or copied text from the body of a mail in MM. > > I'm using the plain text view. I think this is probably related to the quoted-printable problems that have cropped up in the past. IIRC Benny says that many clients, especially MS Outlook, get this totally wrong which is why we see so many line breaks when replying. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Follow Up to Email Concerns
On 29 Jun 2021, at 18:37, Bill Cole wrote: > This veers far off-topic, but it is somewhat relevant to anyone using email, > which includes all MailMate users, so please forgive the verbose ranting... Nothing to forgive: very informative but also easy to read. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Follow Up to Email Concerns
On 25 Jun 2021, at 2:35, Harvey Leff wrote: The university's reply is below if you are interested and willing to read the claims. What I **DO** know is that the university replaced its standard IMAP/SMTP server with Microsoft's proprietary ActiveSync. Maybe Bill more authoritatively on this can comment on this but from my experience there is no way that ActiveSync is more secure than IMAP with TLS but the protocol isn't important as long as IIS is running in front of the mail server to handle authentication. IIS has a terrible track record for security, which is why it is still the main target for many attacks, including Hafnium. For one of my customers, we've hardened Exchange with a proxy in front of it. IMAP works fine but Outlook for Mac repeatedly drops the connection, if you're not on the network. Apparently, on Windows you can drop down to basic authentication for such situations but this option isn't available on MacOS. Apple Mail also has an apparently I-Cloud dependent approach for ActiveSync which will prevent more than two accounts on the same domain. The solution: disable I-Cloud. :-/ Computer security is hard™. Why companies continue to try and roll their own is beyond me, apart from the obvious attractions of vendor lock-in, of course. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown / HTML Tables
On 10 Jun 2021, at 4:06, TJ Luoma wrote: > p.s. - Also, maybe it's just my eyes, but I can barely tell any > > difference between the various "Themes" offered in the Composer > > preferences. Could there be one with slightly larger font sizes for > > recipients with older eyes? You're thinking the wrong way round: the sender shouldn't really ever set the text size; the recipient should make use of things like "minimum font size". Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailing List Submailboxes - Fixing bad list-ids
On 3 Jun 2021, at 7:08, Ethan Schoonover wrote: > **Note:** This message contains a change to prioritize the List-ID where > present and non-gibberish. Probably the best approach. Unless someone has > feedback I'd propose this as the final version. Benny, any chance you'd > consider making this the Mailing List submailbox name default format string? Huge improvement! Thanks Ethan. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How can I tell MM to NOT retrieve mail?
On 31 May 2021, at 23:09, TJ Luoma wrote: > Benny > > This conversation reminded me - I would absolutely love a 'mode' for > MailMate that would allow me to _send_ email but _NOT_ receive email. > > For example, today is a U.S. holiday, and so I am trying NOT to check my > email, but I am _sending_ some emails for things that are happening > tomorrow, later in the week, etc. > > I used to use MailSmith as a "send only" email client, but it was 32-bit > only, and I have not found another email app that can do it well. So, some kind of "do not disturb mode"? FWIW FairEmail for Android has options for this, though no single button. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] 5806 minor annoyance
Benny, probably a regression due to fixing other things. but 5806 reenabled the sent mail sound which I'd disabled years ago, meaning it took me a while to disable it again. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Memory usage
On 14 May 2021, at 23:43, Bill Cole wrote: > This is a disconcerting suggestion. Like an aircraft designer suggesting that > maybe the tail rudder and flaps are not really needed and can be ditched to > save weight. Maybe... Professional cyclists are known to try this sort of thing… Marco Pantani was (in)famous for taking a file to his bike to literally shave a few grams off, presumably to compensate for the extra density due to EPO… As with many things, this was likely to bring marginal improvements at best, with potentially catastrophic results. Material science and aerodynamics have since provided greater improvements with fewer risks but at some point you reach the theoretical limits for particular situations. In many situations the best answer is: get a bigger engine. This is easy in IT with the continued improvements in semiconductor development, processors may have stalled but improvements in memory chips keep coming along. In your case, as you noted, initially, get more memory. Just a pity that Apple has decided that this shouldn't be an option… Charlie PS thanks to Bill for his eloquent discussion of MailMate's need for extensive indices. -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Memory usage
On 11 May 2021, at 9:10, Patrik Fältström via mailmate wrote: > Question, have anyone of you like myself had issues with memory and looked > into what might causing it? It's almost bound to be indexes. There will be indexes for the headers and presumably a full-text one as well. I would not be surprised with a 1:10 relation from index to total mail size, for the text parts (you'll see similar on a DB). Not sure if you can do anything about that but Benny's probably the only person in a position to know. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Benny - no posts since March
On 7 May 2021, at 6:10, Antonio Leding wrote: > Fair enough - I thought they had posted more often but thanks for clarifying… There is only **one** Benny and the rule of thumb is that when he's working on MailMate he doesn't tend to post to the list. He's done a slew of builds and a couple of test releases and bug fixes, including working on a weird crash that I get every now and then. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Updating SpamSieve
On 6 May 2021, at 19:10, Antonio Leding wrote: > Interesting - is there any reason why the CPU architecture would be a factor > here? Or is the thinking that the complete wipe was required just due to > normal cleanup and possibly a change to a new OS? > > I think it would be bizarre if the ARM-based CPU arch would cause this but > given the feedback here, need to ask. Or maybe does the OS have different > under-the-hood behavior due to it running on an M1 vs. x86? Unlikely. Both ARM and Intel are little-endian, which means a lot less overhead when switching than going from PowerPC to Intel. Much more likely to a be due to side-effects from small changes in the compiler. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Strikethrough works!
I think this came up a couple of months ago: can man do ~~strikethrough~~ in MailMate. I guess this was resolved when then markdown processor was swapped. Great one, Benny! Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Code blocks and "smart" typography?
On 19 Apr 2021, at 19:24, Bryce Wray wrote:
Am I crazy, or did MailMate used to keep “smart” typography out of
code blocks so that, *e.g.*, single and quotation marks in those code
blocks wouldn’t get “curly” as in the following silly example?
```js
for (x=1; x++; x<10) {
console.log(“x=“ + x)
}
```
```js
for (x=1; x++; x<10) {
console.log("x=" + x)
}
```
I can see this generating `"` in the preview* so I guess this is a
bug and you probably drop Benny a line.
*First noticed the new, side-by-side preview yesterday: definitely an
improvement, especially when working on this kind of thing!
Charlie
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Re: [MlMt] MM and BusyCal
On 19 Apr 2021, at 17:51, FG via mailmate wrote: I'd like to combine MM and BusyCal (https://www.busymac.com/). "alt / cmd" or "shift / cmd" dragging a MM-eMail to BusyCal works fine and creates a new todo in BusyCal which is want I need. However in BusyCal the created link to the eMail message is an .eml file and if you click on it, it opens Apple Mail. Yet I need it to open the MM-message. Has anyone an idea how to solve this? Have a look at how the command "BusyCal > CreateEvent" works in MailMate. You can probably adapt this. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rich Text Editor
On 16 Apr 2021, at 21:31, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have a feeling you and I are in a small nonvocal minority here, given the lack of response to the post. Probably, I'm trying to think of when I need this. I normally just write plaintext with a bit of markdown. While I could do with an easier way of enabling (and automatically resizing) the preview, I don't really see the need for a rich text editor. But, more importantly, I think there are inherent problems with this anyway: a lot of the HTML in e-mail is hideously complex and very difficult to work with. AFAIK a lot of templates are still supposed to work with the first versions of Outlook and Outlook Express that supported this. I think Benny has mentioned this in the past: basically MailMate's output has to be interleaved with the original. But with MailMate's extensibility you might be able to get what you want assuming there is some external editor that does this, because MailMate can embed the generated HTML in an e-mail, though I'm not sure how the plain text part would work. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Some mails are shown twice in the inbox
On 16 Apr 2021, at 11:50, Robert M. Münch wrote: Hi, since a couple of days some mails are shown twice in my inbox and within smart mailboxes. If I mark one read it takes a bit and the other vanishes. I’m connected to Gmail and there I see the mails only once. Any ideas what this could be about? How to fix this? I occasionally see e-mail for a smart mailbox in my inbox, when it's not supposed to be. Switching folders generally resolves this. I don't use Gmail but, as long as nothing is being moved, I don't think it should matter. I have seen race conditions where rules to move mails in both MailMate and FairEMail on my phone both want to do the same thing and this definitely can lead to duplicate mail. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-3925-0388 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Templates
Hiya everyone, I have some tasks, mainly writing bills, where I could benefit from templates (to stop me making some of the silly mistakes I always seem to make). Anyone else have similar, ahem, problems? If so, what do you do? Charlie -- Charlie Clark Waldlehne 23 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] setting up on new computer
On 19 Feb 2021, at 19:47, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: That's what I did, because I don't back up some of my MailMate data to Time Machine; it takes far too long, given the size of my mail archives. Time Machine is good but __slow__. Carbon Copy is much better and a dump to disk / restore from disk is about as good as it gets. Though working with volumes in such a situation remains confusing. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Rules "older than" question?
On 18 Feb 2021, at 14:18, Robert Wall wrote: Working on a few rules. I see that I can do "received", and I can use descriptors like "last week", "last month", etc. What I *want* is something like "anything older than x days". I realize that if I do it manually once, in the future it should stay caught up as the mail checks automatically - but I have a bunch of old messages it would be nice to be able to sweep up programatically. Is there a way to do this that I'm just not seeing? I seem to remember that not all options are available in the new views so you might have edit the rules plist manually. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Removing email from Blacklist
On 10 Feb 2021, at 15:42, Alexandre Takacs wrote: Yes it would seem Benny is somewhat overworked… For the documentation what about a Wiki ? I’d be happy to contribute a few pages (although I know for fact I am very much underusing MM). I think it would nowadays probably be best to use something like Markdown, which would give us versioning that could be tied into the software releases, and we should all be at least somewhat familiar with. I think there are services that are happy to host documentation like this – I use Read The Docs for my Python projects – but I understand other services are available GitHub pages? But my experience is limited. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Removing email from Blacklist
On 10 Feb 2021, at 11:34, Martin S Taylor wrote: And there doesn't seem to be much information about 'Blacklist' in the documentation - or have I missed it? Just one of the many things missing from the documentation. I believe than Benny is currently working on cloning himself – there will at least three copies – to work on all the outstanding issues and then the documentation… Well, one can hope! ;-) Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT&IP Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1
On 4 Feb 2021, at 16:25, Robert Brenstein wrote: What the message from OP’s university says is that they are disabling IMAP and SMTP protocols on their Office 365 service. That is an optional access to Office 365, which itself has always been proprietary, Charlie. If there is enough people at the university that do not have mail clients that work natively with Office 365, there might be enough complaints that the service is restored. This is up local politics. I understand that and I guess that it shouldn't surprise me that even public universities can be co-opted like this. But that doesn't change my opinion that this increases the institution's dependency not only on the service but now on a proprietary protocol, while not providing additional security. We've seen this all before… Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Is there a way to not store email locally?
On 3 Feb 2021, at 3:50, Brandon Schneider wrote: Hello all, While cleaning up my drive, I noticed my MailMate folder has kept every single message that is in my Archive folder in IMAP. Which is about 9 gigs. Is there an option to tell MailMate to *not* download any messages locally like this? Just keep them all in the IMAP server and look them up when needed? If you really want that, use a service like g-mail that promises to do everything for you on its servers. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] 2nd IT&IP Service Notice: Campus Email Protocols IMAP/SMTP/POP Disabled - 2/1
On 4 Feb 2021, at 5:48, Harvey S. Leff wrote: MailMate aficionados, I received the message below saying that my university’s email services would no longer use IMAP. This really is quite worrying given that certificate-based e-mail has been possible for years, if not decades. What the world doesn't need is more proprietary, locked in systems where vendors get to choose what is and is not suitable… Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] R5757 is pretty buggy => I see wrong encoding
On 19 Jan 2021, at 17:08, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: Everybody supports UTF8 in the mail body, but mail headers are a different issue altogether. True, the headers need to be legible as demanded by the protocol, back in the days when the internet only seemed to need ASCII. The body is a different matter and has almost always required some form of encoding, though this has much to do with images, etc. as it does with character pages. Still, that SMTP is still working nearly 50 years on, shows how important protocols and interoperability are: I wonder how many of the various messenger systems will still be with us in 50 years… Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Alias mailing list
On 9 Dec 2020, at 17:18, Glenn Parker wrote: Well, I was unable to get email groups in Google Contacts to synch without it. Ah, that does indeed sound like something different. I don't make much use of Groups / Tags in contacts, too difficult to work with. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Alias mailing list
On 9 Dec 2020, at 16:48, Glenn Parker wrote: It’s a reasonable question because many other email clients provide their own integrated address books. MailMate simulates some of this by indexing the email addresses from (a subset of) existing email messages, but MailMate does not have its own address book. That means MailMate only knows about addresses in the *messages* it has already seen, and address groups are not readily captured that way. To complete the functionality, MailMate uses the Contacts application and its underlying database. You can see this in the MailMate Preferences under the Composer tab which offers three options for Auto-Completion, including “Contacts”. This is a limitation since, like you and many others, I don’t rely on the Mac’s Contacts application (or iCloud) to maintain my address book. Personally, I use the Google Contacts system, but obviously there are many options. Google Contacts supports the CardDAV protocol, and LDAP servers are common, but MailMate does not integrate directly with either of these yet. The solution I have settled on for now is a third party app called “Contacts Sync for Google Gmail” that supports one-way and full duplex synchronization between Google Contacts, the local Mac Contacts app (or iCloud Contacts). I'm not sure why you need another app: Contacts is linked with my Google account (I don't use G-mail, just the address book and the calendar) along with an Exchange server and MailMate can read them both. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Group Smart folders
On 4 Dec 2020, at 0:02, Bill Cole wrote: It's too simple to be obvious... You can drag & drop any mailbox in the "Mailboxes" section of the mailbox list panel (i.e. NOT the Sources section) into any other mailbox there. You can also create folders by creating a smart mailbox and removing any source mailboxes for it. The symbol is then slightly different: it is just a folder without the dark circle. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Email more than 2 days old being permanently deleted
On 27 Nov 2020, at 17:24, Raza Rizvi wrote: Like Fabian just admitted to! Fabian just reported that he wasn't experiencing the problem. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and other solipsisms, methinks! ;-) Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Email more than 2 days old being permanently deleted
On 27 Nov 2020, at 16:16, Randy H. Tjahjono wrote: I am pretty certain that this isn't a MailMate issue, butI want to double check before I deal with my e-mail provider's customer support. Beginning last week messages more than 2 or 3 days old are getting permanently deleted from the Trash. I haven't changed any configuration or upgraded MailMate (I've been using build 5726 since its release). I realize it's messages that I've deleted, but I like the 30-day grace period that I am usually afforded just in case I need the message again. This sounds suspiciously like Antonio's issue of e-mail being removed from trash after 7 days and, hence, a server setting. Probably because people never get around to emptying the trash. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] How to forward without quoting?
On 27 Nov 2020, at 4:16, leo wrote: Hi there I sometimes want to forward an (HTML) email without quoting - how do I do this? I had a look in the _Composer_ preferences, but couldn’t see anything. Or have I (as we say in German) “tomatoes on my eyes”? Many thanks for any help, "Forward as attachment". And it's not tomatoes, just some weird yellow thing in the sky! ;-) Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finding rules
On 26 Nov 2020, at 15:58, m...@rhp.tw wrote: I have never found an explanation as to why Qualcomm purchased Eudora. It made little business sense as Qualcomm has always been a semiconductor They got it because the developer (Steve Dorner?) of it started working for them. In America, and possibly elsewhere, what employees work on, even in their spare time, is often considered company property… You're right, if Qualcomm had been a software house, things might have been different and the abomination that is Microsoft Outlook might never have seen the light of day. But Qualcomm was DoD contractor with a sideline in silicon, so why should it bother? Of course, being a software house didn't really help Netscape, though Marc Andreessen, who was contemporaneous with Dorner, personally did very well out of things. But it seems that people simply aren't really interested in efficient communication. XKCD hit the nail on the head again: https://xkcd.com/2389/ Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finding rules
On 26 Nov 2020, at 3:25, m...@rhp.tw wrote: I miss Eudora. That was a really great email client. MailMate is the closest thing I've found to it, and I've looked a long time for a worthy replacement. Have to agree. The story of Eudora is really interesting: great mail client but killed because it never made Qualcomm any money. Nowadays, VCs would be falling over themselves to get Qualcomm to spin it out… FWIW Vivaldi has finally got round to adding a mail client based on the old Opera one. Currently alpha status but definitely worth a look. Like MailMate, it gets a lot of things right by default and, Benny, __imitation is the sincerest form of flattery__ https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-mail-technical-preview/ Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Attach files
On 25 Nov 2020, at 19:58, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Sorry about that. Please also try [MailMate_r5741.tbz](https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5741.tbz). If it still happens then use “Help ▸ Send Feedback” to send me a crash report. Impressive change list, Benny and so far pretty stable! Monospace fonts for the viewer are back! Yay and thrice yay! I've hit on some bugs related to filters, though to be fair these also affect r5726. I assume you're aware of them but just in case your not: * Date received is limited only to some preselections so "is within" or "is not within" are not available. You can set these manually in the Mailboxes.plist file and then edit them, but this isn't for the faint-hearted! * Message is / Message is not do not have the same set of choices. There are probably more but I found these trying to recreate a filter I mistakenly deleted. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finding rules
On 25 Nov 2020, at 16:18, Glenn Parker wrote: Rules are stored in ~/Library/Application\\ Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist You can open it with TextEdit and search for “rule”. Probably safest to do this when MailMate is not running, or make a copy of the file to play around with. Yes, I worked that out. Looks like it's a form of JSON, so I can probably write something to work with it. I can sort of understand why it's not accessible in another way from within MailMate but I think it could be useful to see filters / rules together. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Finding rules
Hiya everyone, is there a simple way within MailMate to show all the rules? I've got a couple I want to edit and I can't remember which mailbox/folder I created them on. I assume there is a settings file I can use but thought there might also be an easier way. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] adding an account in 5737
On 24 Nov 2020, at 9:10, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: The good news is that font settings are back for the message view. This (also) required major changes, but I expect it to be less flaky than it was in the past. Sounds great! Charlie Clark -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Big Sur Printing - cmd-P crashes Version 1.13.2 (5673)
On 14 Nov 2020, at 8:49, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: Yes, this is a known issue on Big Sur. The only workaround is to switch to the latest cutting edge upload of MailMate: [MailMate_r5737.tbz](https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5737.tbz) It includes thousands of other changes (compared to the public release) which means there's likely to be other new issues. Right now, I don't know about any major issues, but I'll only recommend Big Sur users to download it for now. (It also includes various visual fixes specifically done for Big Sur.) Hi Benny, I'm less interested in Big Sur (will be waiting for at least a year here to see what Apple has broken this time) than in seeing MailMate moving along with things like the new view. I think it probably makes sense to cut a release for those of us on the beta stream so we can do some of the testing you can't. Assuming you don't change the structure of the database, it should be possible to roll back, shouldn't it? Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Adding rule based on spam headers
On 11 Nov 2020, at 22:06, Bill Cole wrote: Hi Bill, " * to contains full name I haven't tried it, but I would expect this to work: * trust spam headers I found this. Has anyone figured out conditions for rules like this? See above. I've got headers like this: X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_MESSAGE,NORDNS_LOW_CONTRAST,RDNS_NONE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS, URIBL_ABUSE_SURBL,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Job 0: get your mail provider to fix that URIBL_BLOCKED problem. It indicates that they are trying to use a free-for-most DNS-based URI blocking list (uribl.com) in a way that makes them seem like a large commercial email provider, for whom usage is NOT free. It may be as simple as a DNS config change on the machine running SA, if they are currently using a shared forwarder and don't actually have large volume. Thanks for this and thanks very much for your work on SpamAssassin! I've passed it onto the guy running the server: it is only a small one and was recently moved so I think it's still being tweaked. MM SHOULD parse that X-Spam-Status and put it in the "Spam Score" pseudo-header for display and in X-Spam-Status->Score for conditions. Unfortunately, it does not recognize the value as a number for conditions, so you don't get 'greater than' and 'less than' operators. Indeed MailMate is correctly parsing the score but, as you say, it doesn't have the operators for handling numbers properly. @Benny: feature request? Where I'd like to be able to set the threshold a bit lower but I can't think of an easy way of doing this at the moment with the score not being available as a separate header. What are you all doing? Filtering on the server side and seeing so little spam that it's not worth dealing with in MM. (Yes, I know that's not a broadly useful strategy.) In general, this is the way to go as anything that makes its way to the user could cause problems. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Adding rule based on spam headers
Hiya, much as I like MailMate, I find its support for spam detection sub-par. I understand that there is a preference for SpamSieve but many mail servers already have spam filters like Spam Assassin, so why not make more us of them? Even Apple Mail does a good job with them. As a result, I'm currently running Apple Mail on accounts where I'm seeing a lot of spam and let it the filtering. I checked the rules that are used and they don't look bad: * sender in contacts * sender in exisiting recipients * to contains full name * trust spam headers Has anyone figured out conditions for rules like this? I've got headers like this: X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST, HTML_MESSAGE,NORDNS_LOW_CONTRAST,RDNS_NONE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS, URIBL_ABUSE_SURBL,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 Where I'd like to be able to set the threshold a bit lower but I can't think of an easy way of doing this at the moment with the score not being available as a separate header. What are you all doing? Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] "Tags" column
On 10 Nov 2020, at 16:43, Martin S Taylor wrote: One of the options for columns in the viewer window is Tags( ), with a mysterious symbol in the bracket. What is this? Tags will be an array as multiple are possible. According to the Emoji overview 🔣 is Input symbol for Symbol, Unicode: U+1F523 Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Crash version 5726
On 8 Nov 2020, at 13:43, aisrael wrote: In this new version (which incidentally has solved my problem of typing delays), the function Edit as a new message crashes the app every time I try to use it. Is it a known problem? I think I've seen this a couple of times (across different versions) but not that often. 5726 seems generally pretty stable. Benny said a couple of weeks that the next releases will contain significant changes due to code clean up, which is why he's testing them extensively privately first. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Time Machine
On 22 Oct 2020, at 4:20, Glenn Parker wrote: I exclude ~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Database.noindex from my Time Machine backups. It makes a real difference (measured using *BackupLoupe 2*). Sounds reasonable: the index will change a lot and, as a binary file, can't be diffed so will have to be copied with every backup. Otherwise, as Bill has said, backups/transfers always need some housekeeping time to count, stat (and possibly make hashes) of all the the files. Charlie Clark -- Charlie Clark Kronenstr. 27a Düsseldorf D- 40217 Tel: +49-211-938-5360 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
