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On 16/2/2017 00:40, John Levine wrote: OVH used to be hopeless but after some firm whacks they have started to clean up, and their delivery while not great is not hopeless. Define "whacks"? ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mi den 15. Feb 2017 um 18:06 schrieb Al Iverson: > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > >> If Hertzner cared they could sign up for the MS SNDS program and see a > >> list of all the IPs that were

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On 2017-02-15 at 22:40 -, John Levine wrote: > I like DO for web hosting and their provisioning is great, but I > wouldn't try to send mail from DO. DO block port 25 outbound on IPv6. So I wouldn't, either. (I was going to put a monitoring box on a new DO VPS, away from my regular colo, but

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>One thing I'm wondering: If deliverability with Hetzner is already bad is >there any chance to deliver anything at all from a OVH/DigitalOcean/AWS ip? >(just to get a sense of how problematic Hetzner is) OVH used to be hopeless but after some firm whacks they have started to clean up, and their

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On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 12:46 PM, G. Miliotis wrote: > On 15/2/2017 19:06, Al Iverson wrote: >> >> Yes, that is what most of us who are paid to send email do. Email >> Service Providers (ESPs) help their clients monitor this sort of >> thing, by signing up for SNDS,

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On 15/2/2017 19:06, Al Iverson wrote: Yes, that is what most of us who are paid to send email do. Email Service Providers (ESPs) help their clients monitor this sort of thing, by signing up for SNDS, using seedlist testing from companies like Return Path and 250OK, monitor for blacklistings, and

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On 15/2/2017 18:46, Laura Atkins wrote: The statement I was replying to said MS should announce what they’re blocking. I pointed out that MS does provide that information to the appropriate parties. The sign up process is about ownership and confirming that the person asking for the data has

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On 17-02-15 08:45 AM, Felix Schwarz via mailop wrote: Am 15.02.2017 um 17:08 schrieb Laura Atkins: If Hertzner cared they could sign up for the MS SNDS program and see a list of all the IPs that were currently blocked. They do that already (as Hetzner customers can see when registering a

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Hi! > There's what, 3 major providers? Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo. > > That's not a lot to sign up for. baidu, web.de, gmx.de, t-online.de, the french players, . There's a lot out there... -- p...@opsec.eu+49 171 3101372 3 years to go !

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> On Feb 15, 2017, at 8:23 AM, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Mi den 15. Feb 2017 um 17:08 schrieb Laura Atkins: >> >>> On Feb 15, 2017, at 6:51 AM, G. Miliotis wrote: >>> >>> On 15/2/2017

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Am 15.02.2017 um 17:08 schrieb Laura Atkins: > If Hertzner cared they could sign up for the MS SNDS program and see a list of > all the IPs that were currently blocked. They do that already (as Hetzner customers can see when registering a Hetzner IP in SNDS). AFAIK they also monitor IP

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Hi, Op 14-2-2017 om 03:23 schreef Andreas Ziegler: regarding Hetzner: if there is any spam, from hacked accounts for example, Hetzner contacts you and if you don't react and solve the issue within 48h they block your server. so much for incompetent, you're blaming the wrong ones. A *lot* of

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Hi, Op 14-2-2017 om 11:20 schreef David Schweikert: These kind of deliverability problems where causing so much pain to my (few) users, that I decided to move my mail domain to gmail about a year ago. That was the only reason. It's the death of small mail servers. I'm running a 3-user mail

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Hi John, On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 16:52:00 -, John Levine wrote: > Your server is in 176.9/16. On my network, I've blocked all mail from > that /16 formany years, with never a user complaint. If the mail logs > are a guide, Hetzner's customers consist entirely of dusty botted web > servers.

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John Levine schrieb am 09.02.2017 um 05:30: > If you want your mail delivered, you have to filter out the spam, even > if it's forwarded. sure - i didn't say i don't do that. maybe i should simply set stricter rules for forwards than for local mailboxes...

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On 2017-02-09 01:16, Paul Smith wrote: I never understand why users won't just collect mail from the 'proper' mail server rather than having to forward it all to gmail/hotmail. A large portion of our support issues are to do with this forwarding. In my experience, it's because

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On 2017-02-09 08:54:09 (-0800), Alan Hodgson wrote: > On Thursday 09 February 2017 10:15:17 Philip Paeps wrote: > > Also note that DMARC breaks forwarding like this (or forwarding > > breaks DMARC, depending on your religious affiliation). You can get > > around SPF as

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On Thursday 09 February 2017 10:15:17 Philip Paeps wrote: > Also note that DMARC breaks forwarding like this (or forwarding breaks > DMARC, depending on your religious affiliation). You can get around SPF > as long as your envelope matches your relay but for DMARC, the From: > domain also needs

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om: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] On Behalf Of Klaus Ethgen Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 5:11 AM To: mailop@mailop.org Subject: Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello Brandon, First, thanks for your objective mail. Are you speaking for for

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello Brandon, First, thanks for your objective mail. Are you speaking for for Microsoft or for another company? I cannot get that from your mail address. Am Mi den 8. Feb 2017 um 21:48 schrieb Brandon Long via mailop: > Generally speaking,

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On 09/02/2017 02:24, Andreas Ziegler wrote: btw, does anyone know if the big providers take into account that some spam is only forwarded, not originating? we have many customers who want to forward their mail from someth...@myname.com to their gmail/hotmail/etc. mailboxes - which sometimes

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On 9 Feb 2017 04:30:21 -, "John Levine" wrote: > For some of my users, I run >the forwarded mailt through spamassassin, send it with SMTP if the >score is low, put it in a folder for later POP pickup if the score is >high. I will set

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On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 03:24:09 +0100, Andreas Ziegler wrote: >btw, does anyone know if the big providers take into account that some >spam is only forwarded, not originating? I know of at least one very large provider that makes no attempt to identify spam as forwarded,

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On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 2:44 AM, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > Am Sa den 4. Feb 2017 um 18:55 schrieb Andreas Schamanek: > [One who witlessly blocks all hetzner IPs] > > > I host lua-l, a large mailing list both in terms of

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On 17-02-08 08:30 AM, Michael Peddemors wrote: Ouch, as much as the Hotmail/Outlook spam might bother because of course it is harder to sort the good/bad, that is easier to do at source than at destination.. Oh, speaking of Hotmail.. Still appears that emails coming from cross-tenant still

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Ouch, as much as the Hotmail/Outlook spam might bother because of course it is harder to sort the good/bad, that is easier to do at source than at destination.. But, in my travels around the world, it is amazing how in many countries Hotmail is still used by professionals. But saying it is

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Mo den 6. Feb 2017 um 17:50 schrieb John Levine: > In article <20170206143318.wy6afi7dx332c...@ikki.ethgen.ch> you write: > >They can try. But in the end it will hit back to them. I recommend just > >everyone _not_ to have emails on microsoft.

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On 2017-02-06 15:05:18 (+0200), G. Miliotis wrote: > On 5/2/2017 12:35, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > > Well, that is a fully ignorance of the world. There is many mailservers > > in hetzner network (as well as there are some malicious hosts). Taking > > all hetzner network in

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On 5/2/2017 12:35, Klaus Ethgen wrote: Well, that is a fully ignorance of the world. There is many mailservers in hetzner network (as well as there are some malicious hosts). Taking all hetzner network in kin liability is something I will not tell on this open list. You will find it hard to

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Sa den 4. Feb 2017 um 18:55 schrieb Andreas Schamanek: [One who witlessly blocks all hetzner IPs] > > I host lua-l, a large mailing list both in terms of subscribers and > > postings, on Hetzner. The only people we ever have deliverability > >

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, Am Sa den 4. Feb 2017 um 16:18 schrieb Paul Kincaid-Smith: > > Ps. I will not go to a javascript overloaded page in the web that does > >not do or add any usefull thinks. For my understanding, for mail > >related stuff,

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Am Sa den 4. Feb 2017 um 16:42 schrieb John Levine: > In article <20170204100707.z5qygog6vzs5d...@ikki.ethgen.ch> you write: > >I have a private mail server in hetzner network (5.9.7.51). ... > > Considering how much spam gushes out of Hetzner,

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Hello Klaus, > Ps. I will not go to a javascript overloaded page in the web that does >not do or add any usefull thinks. For my understanding, for mail >related stuff, postmaster@domain is the main contact for such thinks >(or abuse@..., but this is not standarised). It would be

[mailop] Mails to microsoft

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, I seen, that here are some microsoft mail admins. So I try this once more bevore I give up with microsoft at all. I have a private mail server in hetzner network (5.9.7.51). This server is well managed and only my mails and a few others are