Re: [Marxism] Unionization rate drops to 6.9% in private sector
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Also, the embourgoisement idea doesn't preclude unionism. In many ways, it almost requires unionism historically. Almost nobody I know from my pre-movement youth are even middle class in the traditional sense. Almost none of them are union members or even remotely friendly to the idea of unionism. Some of them are not doing well at all, despite a college degree and a lifetime of work. But they talk as though they own oil companies and banks overseas. We're dealing with something very, very different where consciousness requires less and less of a material check. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] God !
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Maybe it's just that I'd put this issue differently It seems to me that the root problem is less the concept of God than the material existence of those worldly hierarchies that gave rise to that idea of God...at least in the West, where established Churches are part of those very material hierarchies and ideologically an extension of the angelic nobility and civil service On the other hand, the difference here might mark the difference between an emphasis on material considerations as the basis for our understanding rather than labels and words and ideas As much as I respect and admire anarchist history, I have little doubt that the material conditions of something such as the Soviet experiment would have led to the same result regardless of what it had been called... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The MEGA Finally Online!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Thanks to New England for the very valuable link. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] God !
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Religion--the fight against it, anyway--was much more important to me when I was younger and distancing myself from the Catholicism in which I had been raised. Still, as an issue worth arguing with working people, it ranks somewhere farther down the list than why they shouldn't really buy lottery tickets Religion has always encouraged a drive to look at the larger picture...beyond our day-to-day well-being, and that's not a bad thing. It seems to me that the evangelical roots of abolitionism have always been way overemphasized (mostly by the Christian denominations that did nothing but duck the slavery question), but those roots certainly were real nonetheless. When Christian socialism emerged from those roots as well, it isn't as though it represented the most conservative trend in the movement--and sections of it were as far left as any element of it. And we have liberation theology in our own day. There are certainly more pressing matters. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Just a Nut Job
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis, Yes, anyone who blames Palin's crosshairs is being dogmatic...which is a straw argument. However, any number of people here have been saying that anyone who sees any connection between the incident and the political climate just doesn't know or care about mental illness. That's dogmatic. And if you and Mason and others don't really believe that, why keep repeating it. Yes, the media is abuzz with all sorts of things. I periodically catch bits and pieces of it, but most of the last hour of news I endured actually had about five minutes of news in it. Buzzes and titters today notwithstanding, it would take the announcement of one more forthcoming irrelevancy--maybe another royal wedding--to have them buzzing about that. Frankly, I think the media's there to put voices in our heads for those of us that don't have them chemically... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A government of national unity?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Greg wrote, To be sure, but the events in Tucson certainly have been used to isolate the Tea Party faction and to reach some level of accommodation between the two mainstream parties. I may well be missing something, but I really just don't quite see 1) the importance attached to Tucson or to the response of people to Tucson as causative factors in shaping the next two years. The most logical outcome of this would be some gun control legislation that the liberals have periodically raised for years, but that's not really going to happen. 2) any particularly new level of accommodation between the mainstream parties or any new process for establishing such an accommodation...other than essentially what we've seen over he last two years. Spokespeople for the major parties regularly go through this hands-across-the-aisle litany and the current round of it is almost entirely done because of how the 2010 elections turned out. Of course, the dynamic when different parties control different branches of government is to joint management, but the Democrats have essentially been according the Republicans such a role for two years. 3) any new isolation imposed by the two mainstream parties on the Tea Party faction... In fact, the teabaggers are less isolated after 2010 and are generally seen as less isolated because they've both won nominations within the Republican party and elected a few people with really bizarre politics. Of course, the formulation of policies over the next two years are going to be in response to new developments...new realizations of the economic crises, for example. But this last half of the Obama presidency looks to me like it's shaping up to be a continuation and deepening of the first half. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A government of national unity?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Well, Marv, as Louis says, we'll see However, we're in very different circumstances than the 1930s and even the 1960s. The time is probably past where we can accurately understand two-party politics in terms you're usingthe old dialectic between different factions or between leadership and a base. The base are essentially passive consumers responding to orchestrated impressions playing on their supremely important feelings. Factions aren't necessarily engaged in any ideological tug of war, but a battle over capturing control over the message that is so essential to manipulating those feelings. These things don't play directly in any policy sense. Unfortunately, doing this subject the justice it merits would take much more time than I have right now... Maybe later I would add, on Louis' point about social security, etc For years, we've seen them invoking the magic words on this and it usually comes down to posturing... . The price of actually tampering with social security would likely be immeasurable for them. Most Republican voters will be shrieking bloody murder over it...We'd see a level of mass disaffection like nothing we've seen in our lifetimes...not over racism or imperialist wars or any other issue But we'll see...we'll see. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A government of national unity?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Louis Proyect unrepentantmarx...@gmail.com wrote: f you read between the lines, you will have no trouble figuring out that the Obama administration is trying to exploit the shootings in Arizona to bolster its political power Wouldn't it use anything and everything that ever happens (or doesn't) to bolster its political power? ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A government of national unity?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == And, for what it's worth, I don't think it's useful to connect the events in Arizona to the evolution of Obama's policies in the essay. If you suggesting some connection between the shootings in Tucson--or how you think progressives have misunderstood the shootings--and these policies, they're certainly not spelled out It seems to me that the administration is predisposed to move this direction, particularly after the 2010 elections. It has no more to do with the Tucson events or how people understand them than it does with whether or not the light in the White House refrigerator actually goes off when Barrack closes the door. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Tucson witch-hunt
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == More with the tedious microsurgery on Loughner's social network Let's take a deep breath and a step or two back to see the big picture. Through the last two election cycles, people started carrying firearms to political rallies. Was this even imaginable after the assassinations in the 1960s? My question is how did carrying a gun to an event like this become acceptable. This wasn't the work of a lone schizophrenic. It wasn't the work of disturbed person to plaster these armed knuckleheads across the public communications grid, was it? I mean, the media bosses who made that choice raked in record profits turning their idea of the news into a particularly dramatic kind of reality TV. The political responsibility doesn't fall on the mentally ill. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Tucson witch-hunt
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Good. You see what I'm raising as an issue, our difference is on the quantitative weight assigned it. The converse of this is the relative weight we accord the danger of an Obama administration drive to use Tucson as a means to concentrate more power. Usually, the government concentration of more power and the suspension of more human rights requires a foreign threat, so I doubt Tucson will be as marketable a justification as 9/11but I'll certainly be glad to consider your argument on it... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] query
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I'm getting considerable advice independently from various quarters that I should consider a literary agent. If anybody has any experience or recommendations on this, I'd appreciate your contacting me offlist at mla...@cinci.rr.com. Thanks. Mark L. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Loughner was a truther who hated George W. Bush
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == To clarify for those not blessed with residency in the American heartland, not liking Dubya doesn't mean anything vis-a-vis the teabaggers. A lot of them think George W. Bush was a closet fancy-pants corporate Republican. A lot of them also distrust the official tale about 9/11, as I've pointed out many times to the truthers on this list. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Loughner was a truther who hated George W. Bush
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Sorry, Greg. I don't see what's obviously materialist about blue-skying about the motives and psyche of someone none of know. We might as well be trying to psychoanalyze Howdy Doody. For my two cents, I'd be flabberghasted if Loughner was actually goaded by his understanding of the _Manifesto_ or _Mein Kampf_. Indeed, I see absolutely no evidence that he ever actually read these things, and a strong indication that he did not read either of them... Otherwise, I doubt he'd have tossed them into the same buffalo chip salad. Most likely, he found them to be verbal irritants he used to shock, impress and get attention from his peers. Everybody's whose taught for any period of time has probably encountered students like this. While I was in grad school, one of my professors in Chicago--a Jewish historian of Germany--had a student who used to argue about the Nazis the way some of the would-be ancestor-worshippers of the Lost Cause talk about the Confederacy as a multicultural grass roots movement against Federal regulation. When the class spent a session on Nazi propaganda films, this guy showed up for class in an SS uniform. A friend of mine who taught English had a student who came up to him several times and told him that he had an irritating voice and that he (the student) was going to shoot him. There are mentally disturbed people out there and who knows what's going to set them off or how they're going to express their being set off The bigger questions about Tucson are those I've posed earlier...but we're probably beating a dead horse here... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == ...or we could just use the term in the sense of where we'd take our seats in the timeless and idealized national assembly... The problem is that whatever words we've used over the centuries, they are subject to being assimilated and coopted. We want justice, freedom, liberty, democracy, socialism, communism, anarchism, human rights, etc They won't give them to us or let us take them, but they'll be quite happy to redefine them and use them to us as a palliative for our discontent. This of it as capitalist empowerment Yeah, there's an app for that... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Loughner's last close friend said that he ignored TV and talk radio
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I don't know the extent to which I'd call them particularly tea party assumptions--these seem to me the kind of dumbest version of neoconservativism. ...but, yes, I hear it all the time and from most of the students...things like the private sector works better than the public sector...government is anti-business...media is liberal...war is good for the economy...race is a dead issue...etc. I think it's just because they're not really hearing much else. They figure it out pretty well, if they invest some thought in it. But when the assumptions are presented to them as self-evident truths, they tend not to invest much in thinking about them ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Loughner's last close friend said that he ignored TV and talk radio
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == You do get the occasional soldier like that, but most are among the most thoughtful and politically reliable people I teach. It's always a treat watching the look on a veteran's face as one of the patriotic frat boys rambles on about how we (that is other people) need to defend national honor. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The right to bear arms,
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There seems to be so much confusion about what the left is or isn't that it almost argues for throwing the term out and using some agreed-upon terms that'll actually mean something. The trouble isn't just that left means different things by different people in different posts, but the word actually even seems to drift in meaning within the same post. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Loughner a textbook case paranoid schizophrenic
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Is there really any kind of debate at all over whether this guy was nuts? If there is, then these kinds of contributions on the subject are useful. If there isn't any such debate, maybe we should move on and see if there are issues more appropriate to a political list... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Loughner's last close friend said that he ignored TV and talk radio
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I, for one, have every appreciation for your expertise in these problems. I spent time myself tutoring schizophrenics in a half-way house, and found them often very volatile. Gaining any real trust on any level was hard to achieve and remarkably easy to lose. But if we're all agreed that Loughner is a disturbed person, the agreement takes us no closer to understanding why he would turn to violence in a certain time and space and circumstance Put in an entirely different context, nobody really doubts that Charles Guiteau, the assassin of President James A. Garfield was clearly disturbed, but that doesn't explain why did what he did when he did it Specifically, Guiteau couldn't get a civil service job and was disturbed enough to take it all very personally. However, that doesn't explain what created his sense that killing Garfield was justifiable. For that, you have to look at the context beyond the illness But how important this or that feature of the context might be is really beyond what any of us can know or should be expected to know at this point. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Loughner's last close friend said that he ignored TV and talk radio
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I don't think anybody has actually suggested that Loughner was part of a secret tea party cabal, did they? Admittedly, I've not followed this discussion that closely Ah, here comes Michael Smith m...@smithbowen.net comparing human behavior--individual human behavior, no less--to natural disasters: Why did Hurricane Katrina happen in 2005 and not 2004? Why did it hit New Orleans rather than Tampa? There are 'why' questions that have no answers, apart from very specific and path-dependent contingencies of the time and place and, in Loughner's case, person. ...and Thought experiment: if Loughner's congresscritter had been a right-wing Republican rather than a right-wing Democrat, would s/he have been at less risk? Anybody out there who feels they can confidently answer this question, either way? Brilliantly persuasive shitpersuasive that I should go do something useful. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why Loughner shot Giffords
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == James Holstun jameshols...@hotmail.com wrote: Agree with Lou. The reasons why are not immediately ideological, but material: If there were any more straw men introduced into this argument, we could rent them to do half-time shows ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Thoughts on Arizona
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I think it's hard to take the issue of mental health out of the social context. Essentially, disturbed people don't usually take action with guns. The context made that much more permissible and acceptable than otherwise would have been the case. And the target was not random. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Thoughts on Arizona
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == By definition, the act's unique, but it should surprise nobody that a freelanced shooting would be done by a disturbed person. ML . Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Thoughts on Arizona
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, everything's going to be used an argument to get us to vote for Obama. Who really gives a damn? If nobody shot anybody, they'd make it an argument for getting us to vote for Obama. They're going to try to make anything an argument to vote for Obama other than his Bushie record The starting point for our understanding of an event should not be what the pundits are arguing So, too, I don't know what the hell people are talking about when they talk about a Trotskyist position on such things. Are we developing a Marxist analysis with a Ouija board? The issue is not restoring some phony civility of the discussion in the civic culture. Obviously, the predictable roll-over-and-play-dead goofs in pundit-world and in the swamp of the progressive milieu are obviously going to call for everybody to tone down the rhetoric and pretend that there's some sort of equal responsibility for the level of discourse between the Right and the Left. Such a position is obviously absurd. The escalation of the rhetoric has been part of the strategy for politicians of the Right. None of us can really tell at this point how much this was a factor in the shootings in Arizona. But the climate was what it was and his rants, at least in part, reflected that rhetoric. At this stage, I'm less optimistic over the level of that discussion, which is naturally going to make all the sense of that discussion of the sound knob on the speakers in Spinal Tab. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, Jim. Some of the media reported her dead. That's not declaring her dead, which would be done by the authorities investigating the matter and talking to the media...ultimately the medical people, right? Media reported a rumor because they had nothing official at the time. And all sorts of people then began repeating the rumor and the it spread. Like schoolchildren. But, surely, this sort of thing can't really surprise anybody who's spent much time near a TV set in the last 30 years ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Non-existent lawyer jobs
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == As with academics, this is actually rather old news...though I am certain that things are much worse now than they have been ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Non-existent lawyer jobs
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == With former officeholder's attacking coffee kiosks, the level of violence may well have reached the point where the authorities will request further legislation to authorize the registration of anarchists and barring socialists from Twitter. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Arizona congresswoman assassinated
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The media didn't declare her dead. These were rumors circulating after the shooting and they reported the rumors. What else do they do? ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] 40-000-crabs-join-slew-of-animal-death-mysteries - is the revolution too late?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It's certainly too late for the crabs. Maybe they failed to build a revolutionary movement capable of moving forward rather than sideways I try to joke...but it's out of nervousness at all this ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Public Sector Workers: The New Welfare Queens
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Ah, well. If people on the Marxism list wants to shoot teachers, I suppose nothing the teabaggers want to do should surprise us, eh? :-) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Chris Hedges: The Left has nowhere to go
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Interesting observations. Of course Hedges and others who are relative latecomers to all this tend to become more paniced than they should. Moral witnessing is personally gratifying but politically meaningless, and moral suasion has no political impact on a system that has no means of processing moral questions. I think that they pay an even lower political price for arresting a few hundred people now than they have in the past. The article points out that they didn't cover the earlier demonstration and there's no reason to think that they'll cover later ones. To be honest, I suspect that if we had a mass arrest of a thousand or so people, they'd probably cover it by interviewing the various right-wing talking heads on the subject. We need to stop thinking about how the teamasters do things and start thinking about what we can do to them. What we need are the numbers. Mass demonstrations that can leave the illusion of mass civil disobedience aside until there are there's enough of a mass to make it meaningful. The idea of picketing the media, though, is probably worth a try. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Obama: Droppin' g's for the Unemployed
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This is simply the foundation of the Democratic Party. Nothing new to this with Obama and our contemporaries. It's the 19th century approach of the Jacksonian Democrats. The party was founded on white supremacism, combining not only its commitment to the maintenance of African slavery but antebellum appeals to the white (especially the Irish) workers of Northern cities. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] US Evangelical Fundamentalism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This isn't so easy a question as it seems, though my own Nothingarian predispositions are rather militantly infidel. We just don't have anything here historically playing the role of Catholicism in France. Anticlericalism is much more important where you have a close identification of the state with a specific religious establishment. There is also no particular connection between evangelicalism and religion generally. Nor between evangelicalism and reactionary politics...or between religion and progressive politics. In a more fundamental sense, people here (and maybe everywhere) don't feel the compulsion many of us have towards intellectual consistency. In fact, most politics here usually involve intellectual leaps of Olympic proportions. So much so that I doubt that there's really a clear connection between their politics and whether they believe in god (especially since almost none of the people who use the term mean the same thing by it that someone else means when they use the word). And even less between their politics and whether they believe that spritzing their children at a certain age with a certain kind of water means something cosmic and profound. ML PS: Of course, I would love to go over and make a detailed comparative study of this for the next howevermany years. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] [microsound] Once more on democratic centralism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == My musings over these things take me back a bit further. Many of these problems are rooted in a misunderstanding of historical materialism as a kind of social science with a usable toolbox of assumptions, models, predictive mechanisms, consistencies rooted in scientific certainty, etc. These 19th century concepts, associated with the ideas of Comte and the Positivists, etc. involved a very radical social critique initially, but have been since domesticated into essentially harmless academic social sciences. The tendency to treat these things dogmatically or ritually certainly more recalls some Comtean Church of Humanity than anything Marx had in mind, though he and Engels were ham-handed organizationally in their own way. I don't think any of these things carry any organizational imperatives. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Academic Economists to Consider Ethics Code
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Stanford no less. Rather like going to the nearest big bordello to get input into the blue laws :-) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] ¡Feliz año nuevo!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Happy New Year! Cincinnati sounds like wartime Beruit yet again! ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] True Grit follow-up
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Mark me down as a fan of Deadwood as well...for all the reasons noted. The writing was exquisite and the cast superb. As with True Grit, it used an authentic vocabulary in a dialogue that was literary and played for effect. The vulgarity was likely some of the most authentic features of its language. For all of its innovativeness, I don't think the last century has added much at all to the vocabularity of profanity. I'm not an expert on this by any means, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of it was in place very early in the emergence of modern language. Linguists say that the terminology for body parts and bodily functions are among the first locked into place in the evolution of language. I don't know about Wild Bill, but Deadwood conveyed a lot of the sexual tensions and ambiguities in an overwhelmingly male only society. Nor did it have any problems portraying Calamity Jane's sexuality pretty clearly and quite sympathetically. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Reserve army of the Phds
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This only became a news story when it began to hurt the graduate of the elite universities as much as the plebes. It's old news. I'd urge anybody in this business lucky enough to land a tenure job to please, please, please, don't forget indulge yourself with the illusion that it was all your hard work and credentials. Lots of people have them. Luck is still a big part of the process And don't forget the rotten treatment of new faculty, adjuncts and the unemployed who often have as much to offer as any of us. This is a key point because the seated faculty are often the mechanisms for promulgating and maintaining these crappy labor practices.\ ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] True Grit follow-up
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, Louis. Fiction is literature, and neither of us had many conversations with those people...so we go on the basis of other things, such as how they wrote. And I'm sure that you've read much more of what they were writing than I have. See, I can write literature, too... :-) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Rise of the HoBos: As Gay Becomes Bourgeois
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Realizing that I'm stepping into what looks to me a rather smudged set of assumptions and arguments, it seems that anything that the bourgeois sets out to purge in the rest of society has been okay for those with the money and power to acquire immunity against the formal proscriptions ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] True Grit and Texas Rangers
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I said that Kirby-Smith was in Virginia, not necessarily in the ANV. He passed the first part of the war in the Shenandoah valley and also commanded one of the big Confederate armies in Tennessee and Kentucky in ate 1862. My impression was that he was squeezed west by the demand of more politically connected generals for commands in the east. Nor do I recall saying anything about the Texas Rangers, though the scale of their operations, at that time, weren't limited to their own numbers. There were any number of very well-heeled paramilitary organizations in that age when Manifest Destiny remained largely a matter of private enterprises. Several of the rangers--especially down in the Rio Grande valley--were deeply engaged in an attempt to reignite a war with Mexico through the later 1850s. There were groups of hundreds of armed men there alone, operating at the discretion of the Rangers. They were also heavily involved in the attempt to save Kansas for slavery--which is how Bleeding Kansas came to bleed A lot of this was done under the aegis of what they called the Knights of the Golden Circle...which is a large part of next year's book from the U of Illinois Press There are stories about the KGC enforcing the political will of the Southern Rights Democrats as disguised night riders terrorizing unionists in the South. There's an 1861 account from Kentucky that's almost uncanny in its resemblance to the postwar Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. ...and it should be noted that kuklos is Greek for circle, so the Knights of the Ku Klux were certainly calling back to the Knights of the previous Circle. There's a DaVinci Code not worth dwelling upon :-) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Moustafa Bayoumi, The Race Is On: Muslims and Arabs in the American Imagination
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == As a not unimportant aside, the author is entirely mistaken when he compares the racialization of Arabs and Muslims in ways that approximate Cold War images of African-Americans. White racism against blacks was always endemic to American history, and the period of the Cold War saw the most serious assault on racism in nearly a century. And it was extremely successful, insofar as the images of African-Americans might go. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] True Grit
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I would be surprised if some of the marshall's didn't wrack up those kinds of numbers, though they may not have counted them. Judge Parker was the hanging judge who was allowed to impose his harsh version of the law at Fort Smith because the war left a virtual chaos in the Indian Territory. Federal officials regularly went out into the territory and functioned with very little concern that anybody would restrict their activities Btw, there were Texas units in the Army of Northern Virginia and Edmund Kirby-Smith was out there before getting transferred to west. Shreveport was his headquarters from that point. Getting sent from Virginia to Texas was a bit like drawing Northern Ireland as an assignment, I suspect... This was true on both sides, of course... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] True Grit? Humbug....a response.
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == For my part, I just loved it, but I'll restrict myself to just a few comments as just back from the movie. From the start, I found myself in jaw-dropping wonder that they had every found any place that looked as much as Fort Smith did in the period portrayed. And the building where Judge Parker held court could have been the real site...which is in the National Park there today. Rooster Cogburn's charge against the four desperados was one of the most memorable scenes in any western, but John Wayne was firing with a rifle in one hand. Jeff Bridges did a proper Missouri charge...reigns in the teeth and six-guns blazing. The original would have had another pair on the saddle and maybe a third pair in the boots to save on the reloading. But Hailee Steinfeld's performance as Mattie Ross (and I did like Kim Darby's) stole the show. She did this remarkably gutsy character full justiceand, most assuredly, there certainly were people like that ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] True Grit? Humbug....a response.
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The question of speech is interesting. What people often forget is that you can find people as educated in their middle class in their language someplace in the west as you'd find just about anywhere...and they were interacting regularly with people who might speak in the crudest venaculars. And, in that period, they interacted well enough on the level of stark brutality, especially in that area. Just up the line in southwest Missouri, John Russell Kelso was an Ohio born schoolteacher on the eve of the Civil War. A college man and up on all the latest ideas of the wider world When the war broke out, secessionist guerrillas (like the fictional Rooster Cogburn) began butchering his unionist neighbors, so Kelso organized local militia into small groups that could deal with them. Wild Bill Hickok came out these unionist bands down there, and the Lost Causers in that part of the world still malign them for having been so ruthlessly efficient. His men later told stories about how he'd stake out an ambush, pull out his firearm and a Latin grammar book...so he could practice his subjunctive, I guess, before he'd have to start shooting. Kelso was very active in Republican politics from the initial split in the party over emancipation. In 1864, he ran for Congress as an uncompromising radical. Some of his speeches survive and reflect a real grasp of the philosophical and constitutional arguments. What's remarkable is that he must have composed these while he was still in the bush Kelso had no interest in reelection, having sought election to do one thing--make emancipation national--but he remained a confirmed radical, even when the party, from his perspective, moved away from his wartime positions. (By 1872, Kelso supported the idea of the Women's, Negroes' and Workingmen's ticket with Victoria Woodhull and Frederick Douglass, and described himself by the late 1890s and early 1890s as an anarchist.) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Have a happy and merry December 25
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, but it was also the birthday of a radical Jewish carpenter who was rather pessimistic about the prospects of the rich in saving themselves. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Primitive accumulation in Mail
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == In response to Néstor's kind remarks on the value of the American Civil War as a point of comparison with Argentina, I think these accounts of the Few expropriating land from the Many provides yet another measure of the underlying persistence of the land question. Mama Keita's people are facing in this day and age is the underlying paradox not only of capitalism but of civilization and class society in general. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Battleship Potemkin!
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == In case people haven't located the site, you can view this old classic at the Veoh site http://www.veoh.com/search/videos/q/Potemkin#watch%3De9151 You might have to download the free software to watch it, but there are some very good old films and recent documentaries people have uploaded there. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] blog post: The Obtuseness of the Left Establishment
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I don't see that this follows. I saw Michael Moore's name get a thousand people to a rally on about an hour's notice. On the other hand, Mark Lause has much better politics, but his name is only big enough to get maybe five people...if you count dogs and cats...and if free cookies are offered... Rattling the left-liberal tree to see if we can shake loose some of these people is never amiss...just so long as we don't let anything important ride on it ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] blog post: The Obtuseness of the Left Establishment
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I think we're actually agreed on this. I don't think the people who put this together suggested it as a strategy of any sort. It seems to me to have been proposed as much the same sort of thing as trying to get people to endorse a mass action on any level. There's never any harm in trying to open channels that have been hitherto closed. There might be a slight difference in terms of the logic of how we see a mass radicalization resuming in the U.S. at this point. My sense is that the previously radicalized folks (those of us here discussing the subject) will have our greatest influence on the quality of the radicalization when it emerges, but won't be manufacturing many radicals through our speeches, writings, campaigns, etcor initially providing much of a pole of attraction for the radicalizing. I think that we're just not that numerous or visible to the wider world. Rather, people initially go into motion behind all sorts of progressive leaders and organizations. My thinking is that the more independent they are or seem to be--the further left the seeds take root--the better things will turn out. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] H.K. Edgerton is one happy House Negro
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The entire Jackson chapter of the NAACP passed a resolution supporting the efforts of the Sons of Confederate Veterans (or whatever they call themselves nowadays) to recover the suppressed history of the black Confederates. Frankly, it's one of the top five reasons I can think of for emmigrating ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Does Liu Xiaobo Really Deserve the Peace Prize?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I don't know that there's much point arguing about vocabulary, but I'm really not sure that King belongs in that same category, given the ambiguities in his ideas about a poor people's movement. Had circumstances required them to be more nailed down, it might be a different matter. My sense is always that he fell into a broadly socialist tradition among radical clergy going back to the social gospel of the late 19th century. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Hawaii's Legal Case Against the United States
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Yes, but this is pretty common knowledge, though, isn't it? ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Obama Isn't Spineless, He's Conservative
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Ralph Johansen mdriscol...@charter.net wrote: Only difference or main difference? What difference? Therefore, support for Obama, is that what you're implying? Where? In his continuation and expansIon of ravaging, revenue-draining colonial wars? His lack of commitment against torture? His fixing of health care? His accelerating cave-in to corporate financial oligopoly? His support for wildly disparate income and its rising intensity? His pro-oligopoly austerity policies showing his contempt toward the increasing working and non-working poor and the simultaneous shrinking of the vast so-called middle class? His open support for repression, local and global? His virtual transfer of responsibility for all this seamlessly from the Bush regime to the Obama regime? Is this due merely to a quiescent constituency? Looking at its obverse is more instructive, the astounding ingenuity in devising sophisticated repressive weaponry, including subtle control of communications, promoting helplessness and isolation among the mass of humanity, and also regulating the limits to surveillance. Case in point, the emerging repressive legislation in process in limitation of major provisions of the Bill of Rights. Pretty much took the words out of my mouth... If there actually IS any worse alternative than Obama, we will have to discuss it as a plausible option only because of Obama and his wretched politics. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Obama Isn't Spineless, He's Conservative
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The Republican Congress next year won't be able to do anything unless the Obama administration and the Democrats cooperate in doing it. I'd worry more about 2012 than January 1. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Obama Isn't Spineless, He's Conservative
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Regardless of what anyone says here, what offers no way out are Obama and the Democrats. The past two years have down that. The proof of this lies in what they've done/not done in the last two years...and the results are turning power back over the Republicans. Put another way, the choice to do that rests with what Obama and the Democrats did and didn't do...and with the people who elected them. We need to think about learning from our mistakes... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Obama Isn't Spineless, He's Conservative
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == It just makes my bladder go all ticky. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fletcher and Davidson reply
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Davidson is a raving ass who periodically pukes massive amounts of Democratic vomit into the ohioleft yahoo group...and has consistently refused to engage anyone on the list interested in discussing the contents. He is, in short, a spammer. A Moonie witnessing on a cyberspace streetcorner. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Obama Isn't Spineless, He's Conservative
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == MARGARET WYLES kaliy...@wildblue.net wrote: I can't look into Obama's heart. I didn't even vote for him. BUT, I think it's useless to criticize Obama for what he is or isn't doing. It's useless? Well, I'm convinced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_12E1EN6fsfeature=related Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Nader is losing it
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This doesn't surprise me, but anything that divides the unbroken ruling class front is a good thing. I'd be surprised if any of them mounted a serious challenge to O'Bomber in 2012, but a Republican victory in that election might just lead to more open breaks by the tea partiers. And that would make it easier for a few bits of the liberal and labor elements of the Democrats to stir to some independence here and there...particularly against some really conservative Democrats. They'd probably not include Labor in the name and almost surely not socialist--but would be supportable under the right circumstances. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] sign on letter for academics against the FBI witchhunt
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I signed it, but neither the signature nor the comments have registered ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Review of Barnes book on Malcolm X
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Well, who or what hasn't Jack Barnes misrepresented to suit his purposes? ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] More Facts (Dirt) on Anna Ardin and how She Destroyed Assange Case Evidence Over And Over Again
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Wait a bit, Carrol. At the rate things are going, the government's going to dredge up the economics of Henry Clay... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A letter from a spurned lover
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Looks to me as if Sister Sarah will be the next president. The media loves her so much that it's made her the most prominent Republican around. And the GOP has nobody more obvious in view...certainly nobody as sure of grabbing headlines or mobilizing that gosh-darned based. Nach Palin uns. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] How big or important is the Wikileaks?
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Like all these questions, the actual importance of Wikileaks is a matter of context. What was important about what specifically a speaker might have to say isn't as important as the attempt to silence him or her. I can't even recall offhand which speaker they tried to ban that sparked the rebellion of May-June '68 Understanding the content of what has been leaked is a different matter, and it reflects the present dysfunctional state of journalism and the society in which it exists. The analogy would be for me, as a historian, to decide not to write a book but to take my notes, dump them on the floor, scan them in that order and send them electronically. Or selling computer software that regularly crashes or freezes up the computer, being fully aware that the public will buy it and use it because they really don't have an alternative... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Wikileaks Wrap-up
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Swiss bankers? Swiss bankers? The same people who launder money for everybody from drug dealers to Nazis? And they're canceling the account of someone who had sex without a condom? O! Brave New World! ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Brooks book on Hegel's politics
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == H-NET BOOK REVIEW Published by h-ger...@h-net.msu.edu (November, 2010) Thom Brooks. _Hegel's Political Philosophy: A Systematic Reading of the Philosophy of Right_. Edinburgh: Edinburgh University Press, 2007. xvii + 204 pp. $100.00 (cloth), ISBN 978-0-7486-2574-1. Reviewed for H-German by Lydia L. Moland, Colby College The True is (Still) the Whole: Defending Hegel's System as System One can almost hear a collective sigh of relief from aspiring political theorists interested in Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel when one reads assertions such as the following: Hegel's political thought can be read, understood, and appreciated without having to come to terms with his metaphysics (p. 7). Indeed, many of the most familiar names in Hegel scholarship have made similarly liberating claims.[1] Permission granted, then, to throw off old metaphysical shackles and embrace a kinder, gentler, even sexier Hegel (p. 130). Thom Brooks's new study throws some well-deserved cold water on this enthusiasm. Building on Hegel's own professed view that his system was only comprehensible as a whole, Brooks's clearly written and engaging monograph sketches out several cases in which our attempt to do Hegel a favor by updating him for less metaphysically inclined readers leads us to misinterpret him. For better or worse, Brooks reminds us, Hegel was a systematic thinker, and many of his claims can only be understood through understanding their place in his system. A short introductory chapter, System, gives the bare-bones requirements for the systematic approach Brooks advocates. Here Brooks sketches, for instance, Hegel's crucial (if often inscrutable) differentiation between something existing and something _actually _existing; he introduces other key vocabulary terms such as universal, particular, individual, sublation (_Aufhebung_), and the idea. With the exception of _Aufhebung_, these terms are listed rather than explained (although footnotes point the reader to the relevant paragraphs in the _Encyclopedia of the Philosophical Sciences_ [1817]) as part of what Brooks calls his weak rather than strong systematic approach. (By a strong systematic reading, Brooks seems to mean not one more committed to being systematic; rather, a strong systematic reading would entail more space to note additional specific features of the system [p. 27]).[2] Following this introduction, the remainder of the book suggests how keeping this system firmly in mind can mediate chronic problems of scholarship in the following areas, each of which is treated in its own chapter: property, punishment, morality, family law, monarchy, and war. As a straightforward application of the systematic approach, each chapter can, Brooks claims, stand alone. Brooks refreshingly resists the temptation to make Hegel out to be a supporter of whatever modern cause we would most like to conscript him for. Hegel would not, for systematic reasons, have endorsed same-sex marriage or the acceptance of women into the public sphere; he would have continued to advocate a monarchy; he would have rejected cosmopolitan perpetual peace as unrealistic. Brooks frequently reiterates that he does not defend Hegel's positions: he is simply serving up the uncomfortable truth that they were indeed Hegel's positions, and not only because of when he lived, but also because they made sense to him systematically. Brooks is especially good on the topic of the monarch, showing tensions in Hegel's own claim that said monarch must only dot the i's (p. 106). Most helpfully, he highlights the importance of the monarch's prerogative to choose his own ministers and his importance in drafting (and not, as in the British system, only signing) legislation. Those who conclude that Hegel's description of the monarch is 'bizarre', 'comical', 'implausible', and so on do so because they inadequately understand the systematic reasons that lead Hegel to give the monarch his circumscribed majesty (p. 96). Brooks is particularly clear-eyed when recounting Hegel's position on war; he accurately depicts Hegel as a realist both about war and about its sometimes renewing effects on a political community. Brooks makes then a compelling case that in several key areas of Hegel scholarship, a more systematic approach can clarify vexing questions. This argument is successful as far as Brooks takes it. I found myself sometimes thinking, however, that Brooks's study is by his own description not systematic enough. One of the book's persistent refrains is that Hegel never meant the _Philosophy of Right_ (1821) to stand on its own, but saw it as relying on the _Encyclopedia_. But just as Hegel's work did not start with the _Philosophy of Right_, neither did it end there. Hegel treats the philosophy of
Re: [Marxism] in the spirit of wikileaks...
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This is an interesting site. I love the piece on Ron Paul's defense of Wikileaks. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] in the spirit of wikileaks...
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Obviously. But it's certainly better to get the right answer for the wrong reason than to pound the table insisting on the wrong answer for the right reason. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Attacks on Wikileaks
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I seriously like the idea of a counteroffensive over this issue. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why Assange will be difficult to prosecute
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-november-30-2010/the-informant- Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Why Assange will be difficult to prosecute
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Well, for the media, it's all a matter of getting rid of the competition, isn't it? It's terribly hard to pretend that being a stenographer with amnesia is the proper measure of journalistic professionalism when you have members of the Fourth Estate on the loose actually behaving independently. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Kentucky governor rebuilds Noah's Ark (no kidding!)
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Thanks. Always good to have a reminder that our neighbors are governed by idiots. They'll also build a line of fine motels opposite the highway when the complex is finished. So tourists will be able to have the Ark Experience all day and come back to a marathon viewing of Sarah Palin's Alaska. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] WikiLeaks Site Taken Down
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I love the comments by would-be Democratic Vice President Joe Lieberman. Let's hear it for lesser-evil politics ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] ASorry, Frank. I paid for them and I can see them if I want to.
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Jon Stewart did make a very good point of all this the other night. While defending WikiLeaks, he also pointed out that it was quite naive to think that anything WikiLeaks disclosed was going to shock Americans. As a people, Americans have managed to process vast quantities of bullshit with so much as a hiccup...and certainly no real indigestion ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Washington considers espionage charges against Assange
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == They've not rounded up the people on this list yet, either. That doesn't mean we're individually in cahoots with some dire conspiracy, does it? ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Washington considers espionage charges against Assange
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I see, people who haven't risked very much at all to say they're on the side of the angels urge us to be suspicious of people who actually try to do something to help the angels because they really might not actually be all they seem to be What silliness! It's closer to the Monty Python fish-slapping dance than to Marxism. But it rather confirms my standing suspicion that the authorities are certainly seeding the 9/11 truthers with really, really, really dumb ideas... Maybe as a test of how gullible people are in large numbers ML PS: If I leak something, do I get a date with Jane Fonda? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Horrible Swiss
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == No, you can have stupid decisions come out of any arrangement. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Only 31 words
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == A complete idiot I went to high school with just forwarded me one of a series of shit-for-brains Republican emails under the subject line Only 31 words. I thought I'd share it with the group and ask for some reactions to pass on to the idiot who forwarded it to me. ML http://www.google.com/#sclient=psyhl=enq=%22only+31+words%22aq=faqi=g1g-o1aql=oq=gs_rfai=pbx=1fp=573da4ec7e15bdf2 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Irish bailout and the necessity for the United Socialist States of Europe
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == What a terribly antique slogan! Not that I don't like it. In fact, it makes me want Doctor Who to pick me up again and carry me back to fight alongside Garibaldi (Actually, though, I think it's an 18th century idea, isn't it?) Either way, I'm glad the ICFI is right on top of this. Pass the chassepot and raise the tricolor(s). ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] The Irish bailout and the necessity for the United Socialist States of Europe
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Or even just A las barricadas! Aux barricades! Auf den Barrikaden! (I'll be over there next to Garibaldi's ghost.) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fw: My July 10 interview in the Abraham Lincoln Bookshop at Chicago
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The subject is my _Race and Radicalism in the Union Army_ http://www.virtualbooksigning.net/archive.html The interview is linked from the page in four parts http://www.virtualbooksigning.net/MediaFeed/Windows/2010/Lause/Lause%20Part%201.wmv http://www.virtualbooksigning.net/MediaFeed/Windows/2010/Lause/Lause%20Part%202.wmv http://www.virtualbooksigning.net/MediaFeed/Windows/2010/Lause/Lause%20Part%203.wmv http://www.virtualbooksigning.net/MediaFeed/Windows/2010/Lause/Lause%20Part%204.wmv ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sweden Issues Arrest Warrant for WikiLeaks' Assange
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The presumption of innocence seems a reasonable starting point for any accuserd person, though rape is a singular crime in terms of the ability of the accused to hide behind that presumption when the authorities permit it. I don't know Assange or anybody else I've only seen on TV...and I've not been following him personally or his case all that closely. I do know that people don't become transformed in an instantaneous bolt from the blue...in a Saul-like conversion to being a serial rapist. It's not as though Assange hasn't been under someone's microscope for some time...and a particularly high resolution one at that.. The timing of the charges make their motivation fairly transparent. The journalistic personalities that constitute that community in the US are going to go after this sort of thing like red meat not particularly because of the government's encouragement of it, but because Assange has been doing precisely what they don't do.. Then, too, those TV personalities who see treating women this way as a matter of entitlement would be particularly resentful of tthe idea that a rival would do wo without going the TV and corporate route It all just stinks. And that's all we actually know or can know about it at this point... ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sweden Issues Arrest Warrant for WikiLeaks' Assange
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I don't know what power the left has to protect Assange in this country. Where's the European movement on this? ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] “This is absolutely a surrender for labor”
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == This is the campaign strategy rather than the battle. We've been backing up and losing ground to save jobs for decades. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] From H-Labor: New Perspectives on Anarchism, Labour Syndicalism
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == - Original Message - From: Seth Wigderson se...@maine.edu To: h-la...@h-net.msu.edu Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: New book: New Perspectives on Anarchism, Labour Syndicalism From: David Berry d.g.be...@lboro.ac.uk New Perspectives on Anarchism, Labour and Syndicalism: The Individual, the National and the Transnational Editors: David Berry and Constance Bantman Date Of Publication: Oct 2010 Isbn13: 978-1-4438-2393-7 Isbn: 1-4438-2393-7 This collection presents exciting new research on the history of anarchist movements and their relation to organised labour, notably revolutionary syndicalism. Bringing together internationally acknowledged authorities as well as younger researchers, all specialists in their field, it ranges across Europe and from the late nineteenth century to the beginnings of the Cold War. National histories are revisited through transnational perspectives—on Britain, France, Italy, Germany, Poland or Europe as a whole—evidencing a great wealth of cross-border interactions and reciprocal influences between regions and countries. Emphasis is also placed on individual activist itineraries—whether of renowned figures such as Errico Malatesta or of lesser-known yet equally fascinating characters, whose trajectories offer fresh perspectives on the complex interplay of regional and national political cultures, evolving political ideologies, activist networks and the individual. The volume will be of interest to specialists working on the history of anarchism and/or trade unionism as well as the political or social history of the countries concerned; but it will also be useful to students and the general reader looking for discussion of the most recent thinking on the historiography of labour and anarchist movements or those wanting a comprehensive overview of the history of syndicalism. CONTENTS Introduction: New Perspectives on Anarchism, Labour and Syndicalism: The Individual, the National and the Transnational Constance Bantman and David Berry Part I. The Syndicalist Family Chapter One Uneasy Family: Revolutionary Syndicalism in Europe from the Charte d’Amiens to World War I Wayne Thorpe Part II. Militants Chapter Two From Gustav Schmidt to Gus Smith: A Tale of Labour Integration (Hull, 1878-1913) Yann Béliard Chapter Three The Rooted Cosmopolitan: Errico Malatesta, Syndicalism, Transnationalism and the International Labour Movement Carl Levy Chapter Four Internationalism in the Border Triangle: Alfons Pilarski and Upper Silesian Anarcho-syndicalism during the Interwar Years Dieter Nelles Chapter Five Mission Impossible: Ángel Pestaña’s Encounter as CNT Delegate with the Bolshevik Revolution in 1920 Reiner Tosstorff Part III. Movements Chapter Six The 1896 London Congress: Epilogue or Prologue? Davide Turcato Chapter Seven From Trade Unionism to Syndicalisme Révolutionnaire to Syndicalism: The British Origins of French Syndicalism Constance Bantman Chapter Eight Polish Anarchism and Anarcho-Syndicalism in the Twentieth Century Rafał Chwedoruk Chapter Nine How and Why the French Anarchists Rallied to the CGT-FO (1947–1950) Guillaume Davranche Part IV. Interpretations Chapter Ten Analysing Revolutionary Syndicalism: The Importance of Community Bert Altena Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Sweden Issues Arrest Warrant for WikiLeaks' Assange
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == At this point, it would be the easiest thing in the world for anyone to do that. It can be strung out indefinately with nobody every having to prove anything. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] UK's spare-the-rich austerity policies
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Manuel couldn't be more right on this. Seconded. I suggest considering a loose network of people agreed upon the call for a series of measures, formulated in such a way as to reflect the actual opinion of the working class majority but challenging the assumptions of deference and class dominance. Opposition to any and all austerity measures imposed from the top is essential, and the most controversial of these is certainly going to be the attack on health care benefits for veterans and their families ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Note on the Panthers
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Thanks. Given what I had this morning, it rather explains my mood. :-) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] If only....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Actually, this concern about the fate of treasures that belong to the entire human family in the hands of sick, twisted intolerant fundamentalist civilizations should be a matter of concern to all of us. I've been giving a lot of thought as to where we could safely move the Declaration of Independence and other artifacts of secular humanism to safer places. Maybe the libraries, too. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Fwd: Greens on the ballot for 2012
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Congratulations. It's a fairly sure thing that the Greens in Ohio are finished as anything worth discussing. Members of the state committee now openly push Democrats even when the party is running someone. And our eternal Congressional candidate in our district, a zany retiree who came out of the Perot crapheap, got the nomination yet again. This, despite the fact, that he has basically gone into full bore natural law party ideology, redbaiting, and racist anti-immigrant garbage. We should be juiced about the 60,000 gubernatorial votes but there's no effort to organize and consolidate any of that. The bright spot here was the LaBotz campaign, of course. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] role of the army
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Just a comment on the teabaggers, the problems always been defining who is and isn't in the movement. Most of the people who talk about some grass roots movement of ordinary people invariably wind up talking about running into people at work or school or somewhere else, but the movement isn't the good wishes of coach potatoes wanting lower taxes. In my opinion, the people actually out there jostling each other to get on TV are the sort of characters Sartesian's described...lobbyists pawns and/or thuggish rubes. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Peggy Dobbins pegdobb...@gmail.com wrote: How 'bout lobbying for, or at least modest proposaling here that ANY American citizen be allowed to join the US Armed Forces and trained to serve as best they can in a second Reconstruction Reparation Army. Oh, me, me, me, me, me. Better, I want to join the Space Corps and get on the Starship Enterprise (Well, if we're leaving reality behind us here, we might as well do it at warp speed, right?) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Role of the Army
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I meant the specific plan of turning the army towards nonmilitary, socially useful purposes. Lippard was a fascinating utopian thinker and Gothic novelist of the 1840s who found himself inspired by the army of the Mexican War to discuss what such organization could do if put to building homes for the poor, etc. Bellamy's Nationalism at the turn of the last century attracted some interesting support from some prominent Civil War heroes because of this notion of the army as a tool for society and soldiers as members of society in particular service to the public good. It's a natural impulse, I suppose, because the military is the strongest institution in the capitalist state ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lincoln Elected 150 Years Ago This Day
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The other day, I was off on an election year rant about the present administration and its phony baloney opposition. One of the listeners on whom this rant was sadly inflicted looked at me and asked, So who's the last person elected president that you'd have supported? Well, 150 years isn't that long a time, I guess. :-) ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lincoln Elected 150 Years Ago This Day
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Lincoln was the only chief executive the U.S. ever had who presided over a serious radical change. So the process was always going to be complex and require continual independent agitation and activism. But I'd compare him favorably to any of the modern darlings of the progressives, including FDR. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Gene Debs
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The social democrats of one stripe or another used to hold regular events at the Debs house. I think it's a good idea. However, it is like many similarly preserved historic buildings that reside on or next to a university campus. (Hull House at the University of Illinois-Chicago comes immediately to mind). People don't generally make pilgrimages to such places and might drop in if they're on the campus for some other purpose...a conference, for example. And, yes, most of those we'll pop in at the Debs House are more going to likely be foreign visitors to the campus. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Lincoln Elected 150 Years Ago This Day
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Sorry. Saying you'd vote for Lincoln and being in a Lincoln cult aren't the same thing. Saying you think Marx had the right idea doesn't mean that your a member of some Marx cult either. ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Gene Debs
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == There are a number of images likely associated with that poster, though I've not seen the button. http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/fawkes.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3c/Fawkes_Political_Poster.jpg http://www.dreamwidth.org/userpic/493947/466 ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
