Chris:
>> The way it achieves a pure and in practice entirely abstract political
>> position is too subtle for Dave to summarise in English here?
Dave:
>Up yours too Burford
Ah, the answer has arrived. In English.
But what has this to do with the oppression of the Chechens by Yeltsin's
g
ay whether he thinks progressive
forces should press the west to impose economic sanctions on Yeltsin's
Russian to make it disgorge Chechnya just as Habibie's Indonesia was forced
to disgorge East Timor?
Or do I know the answer: Unclean! unclean! You cannot build a world centre
for rev
to impose sanctions on Russia as it did
on Indonesia to make it disgorge East Timor?
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the defeat of the referendum in part a reaction of
people with English as a mother tongue, against the arrival of significant
numbers of people of Asian descent?
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possibility of a new alliance in Europe as a whole.
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redirect your links to:
>
>The Marxists Internet Archive at: www.marxists.org
What is your comment on
http:csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/
as I thought the Colorado site had taken over from marx-org and has their
search engine.
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At 06:56 01/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
>>>Found the URL for Soundings for Chris Burford. It's on the Lawrence
& Wishart site, the old CPGB party publishers. Haven't found the neat
Gramsci graphic background yet! <<<
Ah finally I see his eyes glowing greyly ove
At 22:11 31/10/99 -0800, Michael Pugliese wrote:
> Chris Burford writes:>I think there is also reasonable
>circumstantial evidence that the present
> >New Labour cabinet was significantly influenced by Marxism Today in the
>>1980's. Under Martin Jacqu
so Books site, the book was published in '97 acccording to h (Ya
>I know its an evil chain!!!) esp Chris Burford or James Heartfield?If so
>can they give a precis?
> Michael Pugliese
>http://www.knowledge.c
>>Any initial impression what the hidden assumptions are which favour
>>capitalism?
>>
>>Chris Burford
>>
>>London
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>The model replicates how mainstream thought sees capitalism- in the model we
>can tinker at the edges by alte
ting your question about old CPGB archives to
Democratic Left, no longer a party, but the legal successor to the CPGB,
at
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eg the only key
>variables:
>http://ve.ifs.org.uk/Hard.shtml.
>
>Russell
Forgive me if I do not get lost in the Chancellor's rooms.
Any initial impression what the hidden assumptions are which favour
capitalism?
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Could the World Social etc avoid announcing itself entirely in capital
letters.
Nothing personal, but I keep on thinking hariette is coming back.
Illogical I know because that name is not in CAPITAL LETTERS.
Something discrete like LM might be a compromise. WSM?
Chris
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y
>that had become a bulwark of capitalist stability.
>
>
>--
>Jim heartfield
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have a
market economy. Keynes was also interested in technical management.
It is not an ideological obscenity to discuss technical management of
finance. It is entering a crucial but mystified arena of class struggle.
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Do you know of Althusser's book, "The Future Lasts Forever" (The New Press
New York 1993)
I picked it up second hand because I thought I ought to be able to read his
account of the death of Hélène, but it looked a big read to be able to have
an informed opinion, and I have not got into it.
In a
At 10:26 23/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
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>On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:51:23 +0100 Chris Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>writes:
>>At 01:46 23/10/99 PDT, Macdonald wrote:
>
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>>>How many times have I wondered if it really possible to forge links
>>with
At 17:15 23/10/99 +0100, you wrote:
>In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris
>Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
>>I cannot see any major financial gain for global imperialism from this
>>intervention except for status as peacemakers. And that is in the hands of
and reduce my quality as a revolutionary by making everything a matter of
>pure intellect, of pure mathematical calculation?
> ---Antonio Gramsci, 1926.
- Or has it not made him the warmest of the marxists and one of the most
relevant for winning back hegemony among working people today
on of capital relative to the total productive social
labour of the society, otherwise there would be crises. That is why
control of finance capital is crucial now for the project of world wide
socialism, even if we can and must compromise about industrial capital.
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London
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At 10:18 20/10/99 +0100, Lew wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris
>Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
>>Certainly there are grave disadvantages to most solutions but one of the
>>things the Ukraine could learn from Lenin is how he borrowed Keynes'
estore socialism with a dictatorship of the
proletariat.<
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er
term it may have some effect in exerting US and western hegemonism over the
world. It is in the interests of the the people of Chechnya but it is also
in the interests of western imperialism.
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racy, or was not free of some repression of others, itself.
[But, no Jim, I would not accept the extrapolation to Serbia now - for
other reasons.]
Could George, Jim, or another give the reference to the Lenin article by date.
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nt and left the question of enlarging the franchise
until after self rule was re-established for the Boer Republics.
What hypocrisy.
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o describes the limits to it.
He then asks:
> You are a professional economist, what do you think?
Well, Jerry?
No you are not expected to read the whole article, but to demonstrate you
can make a pertinent and constructive criticism of an aspect that merits
attention.
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London
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At 21:18 09/10/99 -0400, you wrote:
>
>On Sat, 09 Oct 1999 22:45:04 +0100 Chris Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>>A tax on land, ideally full ground rent, would be the most progressive of
>>all. It would fall on the landed bourgeoisie, it would promote
>>eco
one wing of the bourgeoisie, without promoting the other wings to come to
its rescue.
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he preparation for revolution in the head of Trotsky may "demand" that
certain things happen "simultaneously".
But in real life who could ensure that things really would simultaneously,
apart from in the head of Trotskyists?
Presumably, Bob, you think the only revol
ears of the
revolution it was moving far into the agenda of the socialist revolution
before the economic conditions were laid for it. This then turned into a
leap into forms of communism that were a direct extension of peasant
communism. If anything Mao telescoped the stages too quickly.
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-socialist.
Undoubtedly there are be strong views on this question. I hope by
emphasising the issues of what questions we ask, and how we answer them,
any debate about this important anniversary would be in line with the
moderators wishes for this list and can be engaged and constructive.
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inside his coat.
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elatively stable coalition can be
built of this nature we need to consider in the light of evidence from
within Indonesia.
Chris Burford
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At 11:08 21/09/99 GMT, you wrote:
>
>
>Hi Rob,
>
>Are we getting new subscribers via the web site? I've tried to make sure
>that it gets picked up by the search engines but there's a lot of competing
>sites out there!
>
>BTW: Anyone got any tips on getting it better? What would Thaxians like to
At 14:02 16/09/99 +1000, Rob wrote:
>And, anyway, if East Timor is still a viable entity, it was NEVER going to
>be meaningfully independent. Neoliberal hegemony was ALWAYS its fate for
>the foreseeable future.
Agreed. Ironically autonomy rather than independence is the only outcome
that is
isie.
But the more blunders the latter makes the more it will arouse the
opposition of millions. One outcome of this could be Indonesia joining
Malaysia is a strongly anti-IMF world stance.
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ning as much as it can, usually quietly and secretly, is
itself a compromise.
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by next Monday, or Tuesday at the latest, because the
death rates for the children of East Timor are rising even if the militia
have stopped the massacres?
>Liberate East Timor, and Indonesia, through
>workingclass revolution!
What proportion of the Indonesian population is working cl
general democratic campaign in a a broad united front of
forces for bourgeois democratic rights for all peoples of the Indonesian
archipelago. This actually restricts the opportunities to minimise the
violence and maximise the opportunities for democratic advance.
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as a Leninist theory
that world war is inevitable?
The implications are we should revive the peace movement, on a new basis,
not that we should prepare for intensified class struggle in the
imperialist countries.
It would make the turn in 1935 to the strategy of the international united
front even more important.
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oss the world, this means that
third world workers are much more exploited. In relation to this they are
"super" exploited in that the price of their labour falls much below the
subsistence for the reproduction of the average labour power of the world.
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Nature 2nd September
Transgenerational induction of defences in animals and plants
ANURAG A. AGRAWAL, CHRISTIAN LAFORSCH & RALPH TOLLRIAN
Predators are potent agents of natural selection in biological communities.
Experimental
studies have shown that the introduction of predators can cause r
chanical marxists.
Our heads and hearts can once again be in harmony.
Mechanical marxism has a lot to answer for.
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ghly.
>What a clever lad Trotsky could be.
Does it explain why the USA should have kept out of the war against nazi
Germany, as the main US Trotskyist organisation argued, and as Louis
Proyect faithfully argues today?
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t
that the working class interacts in complex ways with one another through
the market. If they accuse the "Stalinist", or whatever, socialism that
emerged of being bureaucrat Bonapartist, the logic of the argument leads to
the alternative of market socialism.
Chris Burford
London
entral management of investment funds.
Although it could entail more democratic relationships between managers and
front line workers in individual enterprises.
Sounds rather like market socialism.
Unfortunately I will be away for just over a week.
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t;.
BTW are people aware that these are no longer available from marx.org but
from Colorado, as Doug has explained on his own list:
http://csf.Colorado.EDU/psn/marx/
8th para of the last, seventh, section of the work. Now for a good read.
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bell, does it?
Could you give the reference please?
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ctory
process, but whatever problems occurred in the struggle to build socialism
in the Soviet Union, having managers was not one of them.
I would rather stick to this point than to get into detailed discussion
about whether Chomsky was or was not more correct than these two critics on
various aspects
er or not these elements of a research and educational
program will in fact result in solutions to long-standing problems of
biology. Dialectical philosophers have thus far only explained science. The
problem, however, is to change it."
Not weak, particularly when you bear in mind their many allusions to
spheres of interest other than those of the professional biologist.
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en our best working
tool and our sharpest weapon, was, remarkably enough, discovered not only
by us but also, independently of us and even of Hegel, by a German worker,
Joseph Dietzgen."
End of 5th paragraph, Section IV
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st Party,
is a truly scientific world outlook, for it is based on considering things
as they are, without arbitrary, preconceived assumptions (idealist
fantasies); it insists that our conception of things must be based on
actual investigation and experience, and must be constantly tested and
re-tested in the light of practice and further experience.
Indeed 'dialectical materialism' means: understanding things just as they
are ('materialism'), in their actual interconnection and movement
('dialectics')."
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ransforming itself into quality.
Further discussion on dialectical materialism is useless. It is only worth
clarifying the lines of demarcation across which both sides have difficulty
recognising or respecting the other.
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he Soviet academy is the preferable term) in the Introduction to the
>contribution to the critique of Political Economy.
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At 15:44 02/08/99 +0200, you wrote:
> test! Please ignore! Bob
This came out in very tiny letters.
I think you must be using Windows 98 and posting in html format.
Chris Burford
- Ursprungligt meddelande -Från:
> GeorgePennefatherTill: [EMAIL PRO
dialectically see the unity between these two aspects as well
as the struggle, this leaves an endless unresolved argument, however
technical, between the relative importance of different aspects of the same
process.
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have found
a way a satisfactory way of keeping their organisation going, they may not
have to do so very loudly.
But this thread may already have drifted far from Mattick's
Living Marxism and New Essays 1934-1943. Maybe only Jim H knows.
Chris Burford
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At 10:24 24/07/99 +0100, you wrote:
>In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chris
>Burford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>
>>Did "Living Marxism" take its title from Mattick's essay?
>
>Yes, it took it's title from Mattick's publication Living
nd of science? Perhaps the traditional view was
not very dialectical. Perhaps it also privileged consciousness, whereas
marxism has an implicit theory of partial consciousness.
Distaste though different groups may feel for each other, is the argument
not about the same objective politi
h Marx, who saw that the actual world of
capitalism was at once at once a production and a circulation process. If
the production of surplus-value is adequate to ensure an accelerated
capital expansion there is little reason to assume that capitalism will
falter in its sphere of circulatio
arious left-wing journals in Europe and
the Americas; major publications include `Marx and Keynes' 1969 and
posthumous `Marxism: last refuge of the bourgeoisie?' 1982
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rgeois rule!
Including the upholding of the right to secession.
And since racism is a form of national oppression, the theme is if anything
of even greater importance in the later stages of capitalism, than when
Luxemburg flew lower than a chicken.
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erall reappraisal of their
ability to win the long standing war for Kurdish liberation.
Chris Burford
London
Ocalan Praises End of Rebel Attacks
Tuesday July 20, 1999 10:00 pm
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - Imprisoned
Kurdish rebel leader Abdullah Ocalan
praised a decision by his top
commanders t
ed together with Brandler and Thalheimer. For a time
he was leader of the Communist Opposition, then with a large section of
that movement joined the Socialist Workers Party (SAP) which had in the
meantime formed as a radical breakaway from the SDP.
How good is his reputation, and how reputable is his book
/luxembur/ [sic]
>
>Can I ask the origin of "Either Socialism or Barbarism", which is often
>used. Is this a work by Luxemburg? A quote? By whom? Date 1919 presumably?
>
>Chris Burford
>
>London
>
>
>Thank you, Chris !
>
>"Either Socialism or
[sic]
Can I ask the origin of "Either Socialism or Barbarism", which is often
used. Is this a work by Luxemburg? A quote? By whom? Date 1919 presumably?
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At 08:40 13/07/99 +1200, Bill wrote:
>Odd compared to what? the current subscribers, Rob . lets test the
>waters with a discussion of the dialectics of rubber
>> Just had a thought- if I add 'fetishism' as well as 'commodity' to the
>> keywords I expect we'll attract some rather odd new Thax
>Just had a thought- if I add 'fetishism' as well as 'commodity' to the
>keywords I expect we'll attract some rather odd new Thaxians...!
>
>Russ
Yes, and what about "moral depreciation"?
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inance capital.
But as for it being key? Sounds instead like the old argument of capitalism
being ripest for revolution at its weakest link. What is the marxist
strategy for the heartlands of imperialism? Solidarity with other
revolutionary movements is not necessarily more than liberal democratic
action.
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future is indeed "social production controlled by social foresight"!
Chris Burford
London
The Internet nurtures Linux
July 2, 1999
by Jack McCarthy
AUSTIN, Texas (IDG) -- The growth
of the Interne
association of world citizens would even
>>protect national subjects
>>against the arbitrary actions of their own government."
True?
>>It represents "a
>>step
>>on the path from the classical international law of nations towards the
>>>cosmopolitan law of a world civil "society".
Not true?
Chris Burford
London
>>Where's the respect for the 'lifeworld' category in that?
Perhaps he sees it as integral theme for the sort of global civil society
that could emerge.
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than to sink into revolutionary cynicism.
Chris Burford
London
-
The following emergency resolution was passed at Democratic Left's
National Conference weekend, 5/6 June
he Kosovo
Albanians would have been more effective and less imperialist in character?
That is what we have to work on if we are to restrict the possibilities for
NATO to try an imperialist mass bombing solution in future.
BTW Rob, Habermas has been alleged to have supported the NATO
>From an article by Jonathan Eyal, director of studies at the Royal United
Services Institute, London, published in the Guardian 5.6.99.
Chris Burford
London
"On paper, Nato's triumph in the Balkans appears complete."
"Yet the biggest mistake the alliance can
Fine, but if you want to be read, and to convince, edit you riposte down to
one or two key points which Doug's reply does not, in your opinion, answer.
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y complex psychological detail about
the experience of money in a commodity dominated society, in contrast to a
truly human relation to the world.
The existence of the same passage in Capital 1867 and in the Paris
Manuscripts 1844 raises the question once again of the continuity versus
the contrast in Marx's early and later writings.
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asses of
the working people and those oppressed by capital may take up such a
position, propaganda and agitation alone are not enough. For this the
masses must have their own political experience. Such is the fundamental
law of all great revolutions..."
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I am
not sure that Bob would be able to read the map of his home city correctly
enough to make the rendezvousm, from past comments of his
BUT
when, Bob, are you or someone, going to counter Doug's refutation? Take
even two main points, take just one major one, on which he falls down, that
we can all see, and argue it out.
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of why I believe we need to analyse capitalism closely,
look for the contradictions and weaknesses and exploit them, is to do the
*opposite* of passifying the masses. But if you just say it is a monolithic
block and people must just rally round the correct centre of Trotskyist
leadership, if they can tell which one that is, that is the way to energise
1 % of the population and switch off the other 99%.
Do you not accept the Leninist argument that people must learn *in practice*.
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t;>Thanks to Rob for his description of the principles behind thaxis.
>>
>>One of the most fortunate results of participating in a good mailing list
>>is not so much to meet a really good friend as to meet a really good
>>opponent.
>>
>>I thought I would copy t
ary leadership?
Could you for a start, summarise here the three or four criticisms of "Wall
Street" made in this critique, which you think still stand up to Doug's
refutation? That should not be too difficult.
Then we could proceed, and perhaps all learn from the polemic.
Otherwis
ommunist Manifesto. And no one who
>denies its validity has any claim to be a revolutionary socialist or a
>Marxist. Henwoodist or Bufordist, yes, but not Marxist.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Hugh
Who wants to deny the relevance of class struggle in converting the already
existing social "form" of production into a socialist content? How is it
possible without class struggle? But also how will it be possible if we are
saddled with such rigid dogmatism that Hugh displays in obscuring Marx's
message?
To reforms!
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political control (even if not too
stridently by a New Labour Government).
So the question is not whether reforms, but whether the reforms will be
pushed forward in a negative way or a positive way. I would appreciate more
discussion of Marx's meaning here - and the reference.
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a really good friend as to meet a really good opponent.
I thought I would copy the passage about thaxis aims from the site JD
located, below -
Chris Burford
London
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Purpose:
An open and moderated forum for the discussion of
theoreti
has to be defeated
in the test of practice.
I do not appeal for John Walker's sympathy. I suggest it is in the
interests of the wider cause, that he regards me as at least a teacher by
negative example.
Could we please be reminded of the list charter, or whatever it is called?
Chris Burford
the US leftists who dominate these e-mail
>>lists are not allowing an effective ventilation of the sort of left
>>reformist position in Britain represented by the Guardian and the Observer.
>>If that position is wrong for Britain, that will be demonstrated better by
>>its op
the concrete
conditions in a particular country.
One of my objections is that the US leftists who dominate these e-mail
lists are not allowing an effective ventilation of the sort of left
reformist position in Britain represented by the Guardian and the Observer.
If that position is wrong for Britain, that will be demonstrated better by
its open debate.
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At 01:03 25/05/99 +, Dave B wrote:
>We do not support ANY action by imperialism.
Very revolutionary!
What about the second world war?
> "We" therefore are not
>located in any specific country.
Such purity to the spirit of idealism!
Chris Burford
London
see as the many misreprestations
or perhaps downright falsehoods, but with the Guardian this morning it is
now part of wider British civil society, and I would be interested in his
response to what are the main *serious* political and ideological questions.
Chris Burfo
is politically naive. It deliberately appears to ignore the actual
balance of power. Instead it distributes moral reproofs on the basis of
miraculously discovering most regimes are capitalist.
What has this to so with marxism?
Chris Burford
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announcement)
Chris Burford
Jim's announcement:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
NATO and Kosovo - a Just war?
Tuesday 11 May, 7.30 pm
Methodist Central Hall, Storey's Gate,
utionary leadership purely an abstract exercise?
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that should not lead us to think they are absolutely stable.
That is why, applied non-dogmatically, I consider dialectical materialism
universally applicable.
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ed the
autonomy that Tito's consitution gave to Kosovo, and terrorises minorities.
It is fascist.
I do think there are even stronger reasons for a democrat in the USA to put
his main efforts in opposing his own ruling class in war, but completely
muddling up the concept of fascism is not one of them.
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the police, when government supporters can get aware with rape.
>>
>>It is reactionary in that it strives to use people like Anwar Ibrahim to
>>prevent the capitalists and people of Malaysian from resisting neo-liberal
>>economics of the IMF and the hedge fund raiders.
>>
t the capitalists and people of Malaysian from resisting neo-liberal
economics of the IMF and the hedge fund raiders.
Dialectics raises its ugly head again. How much more convenient if it did
not.
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asement of the crimes
against humanity of the Serbian fascist regime.
This was also on the Independent site.
Chris Burford
London
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
War in The Balkans -
Villagers saw more than 100
men shot
By Emma Daley
that George's neat formula, but more in conformity with
actual concrete reality.
And remember George's neat formula for all its purity also means accepting
the reality of capitalist power relations.
Chris Burford
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ate to a trade union, and a
revolutionary organisation, even while making a statement on the same
political issue?
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ld be interested if any Trotskyist now thinks the arguments below
are outdated.
Chris Burford
London.
an article written in 1910, entitled "The Balkan Question and
Social Democracy."
"The frontiers between the dwarf states of the Balkan Peninsula were
drawn not in accordance with
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