Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-04-07 Thread Rob Savoye
> I suppose I could go back and try to reproduce the problems I had with > the open source Flash plug-ins on openSUSE 11.2 and file a bug report > there. But I suspect the problem is upstream of openSUSE, and I don't > have the tools to do any more than report a bug, if indeed it is a > bug

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-17 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 1:15 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > Quoting Robinson Tryon : > >> Stepping back from just Gnash for a moment, this thread has brought up >> several other questions about Flash content in conjunction with Meego: >> - Should the "stock" Meego support Flash content? > > H

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-16 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Quoting Robinson Tryon : Stepping back from just Gnash for a moment, this thread has brought up several other questions about Flash content in conjunction with Meego: - Should the "stock" Meego support Flash content? How does Android deal with Flash? Also, will Apple be forced by the market

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-16 Thread Robinson Tryon
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 6:36 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > 2. The Gnash web site at http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ states: > > "Gnash is being actively developed at the moment. Therefore, although many > features work, not all movies play successfully. The latest beta release of > Gnash

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-16 Thread Sousou, Imad
> -Original Message- > From: meego-dev-boun...@meego.com [mailto:meego-dev-boun...@meego.com] > On Behalf Of Katrina Niolet > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 1:38 PM > To: 'Bernd Stramm'; Wichmann, Mats D > Cc: meego-dev@meego.com > Subject: Re: [MeeGo

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-16 Thread Wichmann, Mats D
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: > A little research: > > 1. "zypper info gnash" on openSUSE 11.2 yields the following > > Repository: openSUSE-11.2-Oss > Name: gnash > Version: 0.8.5-2.3 > Arch: x86_64 > Vendor: openSUSE > Installed: No > Status: not installed > Installed Size: 9.4 MiB > Summary: F

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
A little research: 1. "zypper info gnash" on openSUSE 11.2 yields the following Repository: openSUSE-11.2-Oss Name: gnash Version: 0.8.5-2.3 Arch: x86_64 Vendor: openSUSE Installed: No Status: not installed Installed Size: 9.4 MiB Summary: Free Flash movie player Description: Gnash is a Free Fla

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
Quoting "Wichmann, Mats D" : And in a different message, Auke writes: Let's just focus on Open Source issues with MeeGo? Bdale mentioned Gnash, and other folks said it's not good enough. Can we help with this as individuals? For example, WINE has had an active program to have people report d

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Wichmann, Mats D
meego-dev-boun...@meego.com wrote: > Nokia ships devices with Flash support, both on the Symbian > and Maemo worlds. > It's the Adobe version, so it must be a separate deal between Adobe and > Nokia. > > Intel doesn't have devices to ship, just chips. > > Either way, Adobe Flash will never make

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em Segunda-feira 15. Março 2010, às 21.55.43, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky escreveu: > This is a strategic business decision, not a purely technical one. > Steve Jobs has made the strategic business decision that his platform > will not support Flash. What is Intel/Nokia's decision? Nokia ships devi

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Auke Kok
On 03/15/10 14:55, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote: There's also legal research required - IIRC Nokia is suing Apple and Apple is suing HTC for various patent-related reasons. There might be some patents Adobe holds that are relevant. while this is maybe an interesting development (from some persp

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
rnd Stramm'; 'Wichmann, Mats D'; meego-dev@meego.com Subject: RE: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego Yeah ... I hope they're working on it, because the costs and benefits are significant, and the "market pundits" don't universally agree that Jobs is correct. It

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Katrina Niolet
to figure out the cost/benefit analysis there... -- Katrina -Original Message- From: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky [mailto:zn...@cesmail.net] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 4:11 PM To: Katrina Niolet Cc: 'Bernd Stramm'; 'Wichmann, Mats D'; meego-dev@meego.com Subject: RE: [

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
ina -Original Message- From: M. Edward (Ed) Borasky [mailto:zn...@cesmail.net] Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 3:56 PM To: Katrina Niolet Cc: 'Bernd Stramm'; 'Wichmann, Mats D'; meego-dev@meego.com Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego This is a strategic *bu

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Katrina Niolet
ina Niolet Cc: 'Bernd Stramm'; 'Wichmann, Mats D'; meego-dev@meego.com Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego This is a strategic *business* decision, not a purely technical one. Steve Jobs has made the strategic business decision that his platform will no

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Wichmann, Mats D
Katrina Niolet wrote: > Keep in mind that flash is not used only for pointless youtube > videos and > bad programming, there are sites like hulu.com which rely on > flash because > there is no widely available alternative currently for > delivering the kind > of media experience they want to give.

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
This is a strategic *business* decision, not a purely technical one. Steve Jobs has made the strategic business decision that his platform will not support Flash. What is Intel/Nokia's decision? Do they think Steve Jobs is wrong? Are they willing to finance open source Flash libraries that

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Katrina Niolet
2010 3:11 PM To: Wichmann, Mats D Cc: meego-dev@meego.com Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 13:59 -0600, Wichmann, Mats D wrote: > meego-dev-boun...@meego.com wrote: > >> Do you > >> actually want this on your device? > > > > Ind

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
I have not found a usable open source comprehensive Flash tool set. Hell, I can't even find a usable open source Flash *browser plugin*. I suppose there are patents, etc., that prevent such things from being built. I think Apple is right on this one - Flash should die in a fire. ;-) -- M.

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Bernd Stramm
On Mon, 2010-03-15 at 13:59 -0600, Wichmann, Mats D wrote: > meego-dev-boun...@meego.com wrote: > >> Do you > >> actually want this on your device? > > > > Indeed, and some companies do want it. > > Well of course, I was being silly. "Everybody has it" > is a powerful argument that consumer-dev

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Bdale Garbee
On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:48:28 -0600, "Wichmann, Mats D" wrote: > 1. supporting Flash is not up to anyone but Adobe, > as they control the code and it's definitely not open. > Once there's a deal in place someone can presumably > provide advice or more, but only to the extent > Adobe is willing to

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Wichmann, Mats D
meego-dev-boun...@meego.com wrote: >> Do you >> actually want this on your device? > > Indeed, and some companies do want it. Well of course, I was being silly. "Everybody has it" is a powerful argument that consumer-device mfg's will have a very hard time saying no to, and perhaps they should

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Thiago Macieira
Em Segunda-feira 15 Março 2010, às 18:48:28, Wichmann, Mats D escreveu: > 1. supporting Flash is not up to anyone but Adobe, > as they control the code and it's definitely not open. > Once there's a deal in place someone can presumably > provide advice or more, but only to the extent > Adobe is wil

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-15 Thread Wichmann, Mats D
meego-dev-boun...@meego.com wrote: > Thus Apples refusal to allow Flash on their Messiah > pad/pod/phone gives everyone else an incentive to support it! Well, let's make a couple of observations: 1. supporting Flash is not up to anyone but Adobe, as they control the code and it's definitely not

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-14 Thread Ian Lawrence
Ola > Just commenting about this, the demo was FlashPlayer 10.1.  There are still > some issues on the Adobe side about FP 10.1, but we (Nokia) indicated we > would have support for FP10.1 at some point in 2010. great! Having the Flash Packaging tool back up and working would be a great help too

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-14 Thread john.loughney
go-dev-boun...@meego.com] > On Behalf Of ext Lars Gunther > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 10:30 AM > To: meego-dev@meego.com > Subject: Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego > > 2010-03-14 15:50, Gaveen Prabhasara skrev: > > > But if the vendor (i.e. Adobe) prov

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-14 Thread Lars Gunther
2010-03-14 15:50, Gaveen Prabhasara skrev: But if the vendor (i.e. Adobe) provides packages for relevant target environments (Eg: ARM, x86_64) there's no one stopping you from installing it. Therefore when you buy a MeeGo powered device when they are available, the decision to include Flash play

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-14 Thread Gaveen Prabhasara
Hi, On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Uri Yosef wrote: > Hi, > > Does MeeGo will include Adobe Flash Player 10.1 for ARM? > I'm not sure yet about the licensing specifics. But it's unlikely that Flash player (or any non-FOSS licensed software for that matter) would be included in the re-distribut

Re: [MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-14 Thread mahendra panpalia
I guess No.. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Uri Yosef wrote: > Hi, > > Does MeeGo will include Adobe Flash Player 10.1 for ARM? > > Thanks. > Uri > > > ___ > MeeGo-dev mailing list > MeeGo-dev@meego.com > http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev > >

[MeeGo-dev] Adobe Flash 10.1 on Meego

2010-03-14 Thread Uri Yosef
Hi, Does MeeGo will include Adobe Flash Player 10.1 for ARM? Thanks. Uri ___ MeeGo-dev mailing list MeeGo-dev@meego.com http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-dev