Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-20 Thread andrew strasfogel
McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:05:26 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT I was watching a home improvement show where

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread Timothy Robinson
List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:27:01 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT On Dec 14, 2007 10:05 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Generators burn a lot of fuel and convert 70% or more into heat, so

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Dec 14, 2007 10:05 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Generators burn a lot of fuel and convert 70% or more into heat, so cogeneration, if you can make it safe, would work quite well. I'd love to use a water cooled diesel generator for a boiler and electric source, (biodiesel project)

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread Mitch Haley
Curt Raymond wrote: Anyway when it comes to heat your 7000watt generator isn't very much, 1500 watts is about 5,000 BTU so you've got somewhere around 10,000 BTUs of heat available... I found a Watt/BTU converter, it says 7kw = 23,885BTU/hr. That could heat my home easily, unless the wind is

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread R A Bennell
Of Mitch Haley Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 12:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT Curt Raymond wrote: Anyway when it comes to heat your 7000watt generator isn't very much, 1500 watts is about 5,000 BTU so you've got somewhere around 10,000 BTUs of heat

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread John Robbins
R A Bennell wrote: My purpose for the generator was really just to permit me to run the furnace blower motor since it is a gas furnace and will work so long as it does not overheat the plenum and shut itself off. I wonder if one could set up a pedal powered fan and run the furnace without the

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread R A Bennell
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 3:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT R A Bennell wrote: My purpose for the generator was really just to permit me to run the furnace blower motor since

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread Chuck Landenberger
12:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT Curt Raymond wrote: Anyway when it comes to heat your 7000watt generator isn't very much, 1500 watts is about 5,000 BTU so you've got somewhere around 10,000 BTUs of heat available... I found a Watt/BTU

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread R A Bennell
: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT And Randy, We won't tell, but we will never forget.. Just kidding Enjoy pedaling - but you need to get two so you can pedal together.. Be safe and warm Chuck On Dec 14, 2007, at 11:16 AM, R A Bennell wrote: My purpose for the generator

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread John Robbins
R A Bennell wrote: My furnace is old enough that I might manage it. It still has a pilot light and no exhaust fan. FWIW, you could probably get a 20-35% increase in efficiency if you upgraded. The new condensing furnaces (two heat exchangers, PVC exhaust) are up to 95% efficient, ones with

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread Mitch Haley
John Robbins wrote: FWIW, you could probably get a 20-35% increase in efficiency if you upgraded. The new condensing furnaces (two heat exchangers, PVC exhaust) are up to 95% efficient, A couple of years after my parents got a condensing boiler with black plastic flue, (don't remember if it

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread R A Bennell
gas prices seem to have flattened out and are not yet breakng us. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 4:07 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT R A Bennell

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread Curt Raymond
money is. -Curt Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:05:55 -0500 From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond wrote: Anyway when it comes

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread Timothy Robinson
in power outtages and recharge the battery with one of the crs if necessary. From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:35:09 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread John M McIntosh
I was watching a home improvement show where they showed an alternative to this for the sump pump. It's a special pump which uses pressurized water to suck in water then off to the waste line. When the power is off and the sump pump called for it opens the water line and away it goes...

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-14 Thread Timothy Robinson
Sounds like a version of a ram pump. From: John M McIntosh [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:05:26 -0800 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT I

Re: [MBZ] Emergency House Heat/240D idling all day fuel consumption

2007-12-13 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:43:09 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a 74 240D (stick, dark blue) on the West Coast. We used to take it skiing in the Sierras and I began to leave it run all day, about 8 hours or so. I turned the idle down to about 300 RPM, which saved fuel,

Re: [MBZ] Emergency House Heat/240D idling all day fuel consumption

2007-12-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Dec 13, 2007 1:17 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you referred to as compression braking has practically nothing to do with compression. The braking effort of the engine is caused by it's inefficiency as an air pump. Any energy used to compress the air is regained when the piston

Re: [MBZ] Emergency House Heat/240D idling all day fuel consumption

2007-12-13 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:33:36 -0800, Alex wrote: On Dec 13, 2007 1:17 PM, Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you referred to as compression braking has practically nothing to do with compression. The braking effort of the engine is caused by it's inefficiency as an air

Re: [MBZ] Emergency House Heat/240D idling all day fuel consumption

2007-12-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Fmiser wrote: There are other kind of engine retarders - electric, hydraulic, and (like the little Cummins uses), a butterfly valve in the intake to make the engine-as-an-air-pump even less efficient. The 7.3L Powerstroke had an exhaust butterfly valve to induce backpressure and create heat

Re: [MBZ] Emergency House Heat/240D idling all day fuel consumption

2007-12-13 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:51:42 -0500, Mitch wrote: Fmiser wrote: There are other kind of engine retarders - electric, hydraulic, and (like the little Cummins uses), a butterfly valve in the intake to make the engine-as-an-air-pump even less efficient. The 7.3L

[MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-12 Thread Dan Weeks
I agree that a car engine won't produce enough heat to make a real difference, especially sitting in the middle of a garage. Wood furnaces and exterior wood furnaces are problematic, too. The exterior ones are pretty inefficient: 50%, from what I've read. Interior wood furnaces are more

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-12 Thread R A Bennell
12, 2007 12:36 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT I agree that a car engine won't produce enough heat to make a real difference, especially sitting in the middle of a garage. Wood furnaces and exterior wood furnaces are problematic, too. The exterior ones are pretty

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-12 Thread Curt Raymond
From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Unfortunately, a legal woodstove hookup has become pretty expensive. The building inspectors

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-12 Thread R A Bennell
, December 12, 2007 4:14 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT Woodstoves are only dangerous when installed and operated improperly. Coming from Maine I've sure seen my share of scary ones. You need 36 all around the stove to any flamable material, that includes down so a good

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-12 Thread Curt Raymond
wood. -Curt Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:18:04 -0600 From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I agree with you. The danger part is mostly

Re: [MBZ] EMERGENCY HOUSE HEAT

2007-12-12 Thread archer
Idling doesn't hurt the Scion engine? Gerry - From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] I agree that a car engine won't produce enough heat to make a real difference, especially sitting in the middle of a garage. Wood furnaces and exterior wood furnaces are

Re: [MBZ] Emergency House Heat/240D idling all day fuel consumption

2007-12-12 Thread JFreezn
In a message dated 12/12/2007 9:48:26 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A friend bought a 74 240D on the west coast and drove it home to Winnipeg. He stopped the first night in Idaho and it wouldn't start in the morning. A new glow plug and he was on his way. The