Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-18 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
Scott wrote: Still a great essay from the Colonel. ... ...Thanks to two big oceans, relatively peaceful neighbors north and south, and a half-century American age of relative world peace... Our fine borders have not been tested. Not even close. Some suggest some buildings in NYC was a

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-18 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Where do you reside? My top down government won't take my trash out. On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Scott wrote: Still a great essay from the Colonel. ... ...Thanks to two big oceans, relatively peaceful neighbors north and

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-18 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
Thanks for the kind words. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mountain Man via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:56 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought Scott wrote: Still a great essay

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-18 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
A wise man once said: Governments and diapers should both be changed often, for the same reason My Mercedes are working well.. don't need any parts.. have no issues at present.. Thanks for the civil conversation to everyone.. Grant... On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 1:26 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via

[MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) The tragedy of the Vietnam War is exceeded by only slavery and the Civil War as this nation’s greatest tragedy. Not only were thousands of fine, young Americans sacrificed needlessly, sent into harm’s way by a government

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By Wilton Strickland, Lt Col, USAF (Ret) Not a silly Sondy tale, but thank you, Wilton. We had conducted the most intense bombing campaign ever against the most heavily-defended

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:02:09 -0400 WILTON via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: THE TRAGEDY AND THE WALL By

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
I say we take off and nuke the whole site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. --R On 9/17/14 4:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? ___

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
As civilized humans it is our duty to recognize deadly threats and respond with suitable deadly force to preserve both ourselves and civilization. That is a basic human right given by our Creator [insert your own religious belief here, or not] that has survived every advance and decline of

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
A heartfelt thank you to WIlton for his posting. I also have friends at the Wall, and have given that salute of respect. In my case, I went from 2 tours Vietnam to 7 years of Afghanistan, working with Mujhadeen and Pashtun tribes in Northern Tribal Territories of Pakistan, followed by other

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
fight fight fight fight fight fight On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:41 PM, G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: As civilized humans it is our duty to recognize deadly threats and respond with suitable deadly force to preserve both ourselves and civilization. That is a basic human right

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? I am not saying that we should. If you read my email, you would have seen, more than once, the phrase, do our fighting

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
From: Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Gary Hurst via Mercedes
you can get lynched for that kinda talk in most of 'merka, boy On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:30:17 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Curt, I've asked several Iraqis point blank: did America do the right thing? The answer they gave me is Yes!. The Iraqis didn't throw us out, Barack Hussein Obama made it a campaign pledge to pull us out. Iraq very much wanted to negotiate an agreement for our troops to stay, it was Obama who

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:22:43 -0400 Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: you can get lynched for that kinda talk in most of 'merka, boy And that's the problem to which I was referring. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I am not a raging militarist, but how can we turn our backs on the barbarism that is ISIS? Wiltons story is a personal view of the war, and that's understandable since he was heavily involved in it. If one takes an objective view of both

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
RANT If you go back several centuries, you'll find that the Christians were the raging barbarism force of the time (crusades). I think the root of all evil is religion inflicted on others (other than psychopaths). All religious states/governments need to be eliminated at once, and for all time.

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Great questions ... in looking only backward, the decision to keep war in other countries and not let it come to America, delivered by our enemies, was a good one. Most American citizens alive today have never seen war except what Hollywood gives them, have never held a compression bandage on

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
Ohh boy, now we have politics and religion on the discussion table:) It's all Wiltons fault for mentioning the war, I may have mentioned it once but I think I got away with it. Anyway, regarding the 'temporary' troop withdrawal from Iraq. My vague recollection of this was that it was decided

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread WILTON via Mercedes
We can not and should not. It's already late. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Craig diese...@pisquared.net; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Mountain Man via Mercedes
OK Don wrote: RANT If you go back several centuries, you'll find that the Christians were the raging barbarism force of the time (crusades). ... Live by your own religion WITHOUT inflicting it on anyone else. If you are against abortion, don't have one, but keep your beliefs to yourself.

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Wow! It doesn't take long for this group to implode! Since some people say the reason we are in the Middle East is OIL!, let's stir some of that in and really get everyones cajones in an uproar. (Just kidding!) In the meantime, I've lost something and would really be grateful if one of the

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Hendrik and Fay via Mercedes
The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how to go about making some real progress towards stability in the region but we better not discuss that. Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows or will foxy just not remember where it was a

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
Hendrik and Fay wrote: The issue is not so much why they are there but the big question is how to go about making some real progress towards stability in the region but we better not discuss that. Anyway when you say you lost the back box, do you mean the actual arrows Gerry: Ya, I lost

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
Before this thread spirals into the great dustbin at some No Such Agency data storage facility.. one last bit... Mid East has never been stable in recorded history, far beyond the 1,435 years ago when islam was invented by a caravan robber named muhammed, and since, there has been no peace and no

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes
That's the opinion of some well informed retirees here. They believe that if there were no oil or minerals, Western nations would have little interest in the M.E. or Africa, so long as no other major power (Russia,China) moved in. Gerrywho ends his 2 cents on the subject G Mann wrote:

Re: [MBZ] OT but food for thought

2014-09-17 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
Still a great essay from the Colonel. The debacle that was Viet Nam is less an indictment of war than an indictment of the way that particular non-war was defined and prosecuted. Even a casual review of world history will tell you that sustained peace is not normal unless a superpower