Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

Isn't there a company in India that has bought the design for the Lister 
and is still producing the things for generator etc motors? or am I 
thinking of something else?


--Robert

Potter, Tom E wrote:

Just the opposite of GM (and others) fascination with making things
complex was an old Lister-Blackstone diesel that I worked on years ago.
It took two wrenches to disassemble the whole engine. All the head
bolts, rod bolts, and main bearing nuts were 1.5 inch; everything else
was 3/4 inch. What a clever idea--much beyond anything our people could
ever dream up. The two wrenches came with the engine too.

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On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 02:54 PM, Potter, Tom E wrote:

  

I just wish the US would switch over instead of doing it half*. I
just removed a 700R4 transmission from a GMC truck last week. The


bolts
  

connecting the housing to the engine were SAE, but the bolts


connecting
  

the torque converter to the flexplate were metric. What an


abomination.
  


15mm IIRC. GM threw some 10mm, 16mm and 18mm stuff at us too.
??

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] How I found this Group

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

thats great.  I didnt know you bought a SDL off of rusty.  Heck, I never 
remember him having one for sale.


Peter T. Arnold wrote:


"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:


Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or


¢   the previous mbz.org)

When I was young, I walked 2 miles to school, uphill both ways.  The
rich guy who owned the mill would drive his Mercedes by and splash mud
on the pants my dear Mother had made me.  Some day I was going to be
like him.
I swore than to make it big as an accordion player, doing weddings,
funerals and retirement parties (from the mill) to earn big bucks.
Diligence has it's rewards, I was able to purchase a 10 year old IBM
8088 for it's original values, you see the mill owners son had opened
a computer store in the center of town, next to his sister's Bordello
that I had a day gig in.
It was an exciting time, I mastered AOL in 6 months flat!
A Giggle search helped me find the list in about 1999.  I lurked for 3
weeks, so as to find all of the inner secrets of the Klatta
Brotherhood as we are known to the outer world.  I found out that
Diesel fuel was much cheaper than regular gas, M/B parts were readily
available, and even even a cowboy from Oklahoma could handle repairs!
I was also learned of this Trusty Rusty fellow who scratched out a
living in central Georgia selling M/B parts, cars and BBQ.  {I must
digress, being a northerner; I feel a certain responsibility to
support the revival of the South.  To this day I still drink nothing
but Kentucky Whiskey}
Rusty had a very nice 300SDL, the deal was consummated.  Wife and I
flew down, jumped into the car and drove it like we stole it.

Regrets, I have a few;
We never made a BBQ
Sorry Willie!

I really should have looked harder for a 240D Manny.  I actually meet
an old fellow in New Hampshire who was driving a mid80's with 58,000
miles on it.  He had bought it new and stored it in the barn during
salt season it had -0- rust!.  I offered him obscene money for it
{$5,000}.  He promised to keep my name next to his registration in the
event he is forced to sell. More my type of car, I like simple things.
I've never had a Yo-Yo I couldn't fix.

I should have painted my car a week after I got it.

Nice group of folks on this list, even the contrary ones are not rude.
I've driven my car about 100,000 miles.  Not a cheap ride but very
reliable if you pay attention and do maintenance in a timely manor. My
wife likes to ride but not drive it.  She is very uncomfortable with
the lethargic acceleration from rest.

That's my story, I'm sticking to it!


Pete Arnold
Windsor, CT

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 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Another VIN check please.

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

 Vehicle Snapshot
Vehicle 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300 Series 300CD-T
VIN WDBAB50AXBB006978
Body Style 2 Door Coupe
Country of Manufacture Germany


Vehicle History Checklist
Vehicle Description WDBAB50AXBB006978
Title Check Records found
Problem Check No records found
Odometer Check No records found
Vehicle Information Records found
Full History Records found

 Title Check
Problems Found!

Abandoned No Abandoned Records Found
Damaged No Damaged Records Found
Fire Damage No Fire Damage Records Found
Grey Market No Grey Market Records Found
Hail Damage No Hail Damage Records Found
Insurance Loss No Insurance Loss Records Found
Junk No Junk Records Found
Rebuilt/Rebuildable Rebuilt/Rebuildable Records Found
Salvage Salvage Records Found


 Problem Check
Your vehicle checks out!

NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle No NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle Records Found
Fire Damage Incident No Fire Damage Incident Records Found
Frame Damage No Frame Damage Records Found
Major Damage No Major Damage Records Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found
Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found
Odometer Problem No Odometer Problem Records Found
Salvage Auction No Salvage Auction Records Found
Water Damage No Water Damage Records Found


 Vehicle Information
Problems Found!

Accident Data No Accident Data Records Found
Corrected Title No Corrected Title Records Found
Driver Education No Driver Education Records Found
Duplicate Title No Duplicate Title Records Found
Emission/Safety Inspection Emission/Safety Inspection Records Found
Livery Use No Livery Use Records Found
Government Use No Government Use Records Found
Police Use No Police Use Records Found
Rental/Fleet No Rental/Fleet Records Found
Repossessed No Repossessed Records Found
Taxi Use No Taxi Use Records Found
Theft No Theft Records Found


 Vehicle History Records
We have searched the Experian Automotive National Vehicle Database of 
insurance, DMV, and auto auction information and found the following 19 
records for this 1981 MERCEDES-BENZ 300 SERIES 300CD-T. Note the 
highlighted rows for potential issues that could affect the value of 
this vehicle.


Date Location Mileage Description
1991-06-04 TX  rebuilt/rebuildable
1996-05-01 austin, TX  registration event/renewal
1996-05-01 austin, TX  reconditioned
1997-05-01 austin, TX  registration event/renewal
1998-05-01 austin, TX  registration event/renewal
1999-05-01 austin, TX  registration event/renewal
2000-05-01 austin, TX  registration event/renewal
2001-05-01 austin, TX  registration event/renewal
2002-05-01 austin, TX  registration event/renewal
2002-05-01 austin, TX  reconditioned
2002-05-30 austin, TX  title
2002-05-30 austin, TX  reconditioned
2003-05-01 austin, TX  registration event/renewal
2003-05-01 austin, TX  reconditioned
2004-05-12 austin, TX  registration event/renewal
2004-05-12 austin, TX  rebuilt/rebuildable
2004-05-12 austin, TX  salvage
2004-05-12 austin, TX  excluded/exempt
2005-12-21 cedar park, TX 156316 passed emission inspection


Glossary of Descriptions Found for This Vehicle (full glossary)
Description Full Definition

Rebuilt/Rebuildable A salvaged vehicle that was refurbished with 
new/used parts.

Reconditioned Vehicle was overhauled.
Title Vehicle had title registration event reported by state DMV.
Salvage A vehicle branded as salvage by the reporting DMV.
Excluded/Exempt Vehicle is generally exempt from normal/mandatory 
odometer law for the following reasons:

1.Vehicle model year is 10 years or older.
2.Gross weight of vehicle over 16000 lbs.
3.Vehicle is not self-propelled.
4.Titled to the manufacturer.
Passed Emission Inspection Vehicle passed the state emission inspection.

 Highlights from our Editor's Review of the 1981 Mercedes-Benz 300 
Series 300CD-T


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kayoooh @ gmail wrote:


Hello Kaleb,
If these reports are still available, I'd appreciate getting one for this
VIN:

WDBAB50AXBB006978.

Thank you for all your help,

Omar.


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Re: [MBZ] Rear half shafts

[Mitch Haley]

"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> 
> If its was only a head, why didnt you just replace the head gasket on
> the old motor?

Because the old motor was seized, or so he thought. Maybe hydrolocked?

Re: [MBZ] what IS the "diesel noise"?

[Peter Frederick]

The noise is a combination of things, starting with a supersonic shock 
wave at the combustion front.  Fixed timing engines also suffer from 
excessively early injection at idle, contributing to the noise in the 
same way spark knock does.


The high speed swirl in the prechamber breaks up the shock wave, 
resulting in both better combustion and less noise -- alas, it also 
reduces efficiency somewhat.


Noisy Benz engines are usually as Marshall describes -- some carbon on 
the nozzle will disrupt the spray pattern enough at idle, when very 
little fuel is injected, enough to make it burn all at once rather than 
smoothly.  Sticky nozzles result in late or early injection (depending 
on when it sticks, open or closed), again, clank.


Diesels cannot detonate, the fuel has to be all present at once for 
detonation to occur.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

Anything GM will drive you nuts. I had to do tranny filters  for a 
couple that has his and hers blazers a while back, I couldn't believe 
that mess. Three different sized bolt heads on the tranny pan with no 
structural purpose whatsoever ( actual bolts same size and same torque 
no clearance problems) , and stuff in the way that didn't need to be if 
someone had botheres to think before building the thing.
I determined a long time ago that if you got all the engineers  from all 
the different departments at Gm together in one roomNONE of them 
would know each other.


I have a '92 ford pickup with the international diesel, and that thing 
is a nightmare, have to keep both tool sets at hand when doing anything 
on it, sometimes on an identical part it will have a SAE on one and a 
metric on another, and the manufacturing quality is so poor, that I've 
been told the wheel lug nuts are SAE, but a metric socket gives a better 
fit, go figure :-P


---Robert

John Berryman wrote:

On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 02:54 PM, Potter, Tom E wrote:

  

I just wish the US would switch over instead of doing it half*. I
just removed a 700R4 transmission from a GMC truck last week. The bolts
connecting the housing to the engine were SAE, but the bolts connecting
the torque converter to the flexplate were metric. What an abomination.




15mm IIRC. GM threw some 10mm, 16mm and 18mm stuff at us too. ??

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Rear half shafts

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

If its was only a head, why didnt you just replace the head gasket on 
the old motor?


Brian Chase wrote:

Yep, the diagnosis was head gasket. This indie is not very talkative and we 
have never met face to face. So he says it was a head gasket, so I just have 
to be satisfied with that. He's the kind of guy that won't offer any more 
information than he has to. In fact he didn't call us to let us know the car 
was done. Who knows when he would've called. It's not like we're not giving 
him a lot of money. Hey, as long as he's skilled and honest, things will be 
just fine.


Brian
83 240D



From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear half shafts
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:46:23 -0600


By the way, the new (used) engine is reportedly in and running "well". 


We


should be picking 'er up in a few weeks.

Brian
83 240D


Congrats Brian. Did a postmortem ever get performed on the old engine to
determine the cause of its demise? Just curious
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD

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Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I would NEVER put armorall on anything I cared about, it will crack the 
shit out of your dash.


Hans Neureiter wrote:


I go afterwards with a dose of Armorall. Leatherique sounds french and is
rediculous expensive.

On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hans - While upholstery foaming cleaners work great on upholstery, I would
think that they would tend to dry out hard surfaces such as leather or
MBtex
(vinyl).  That's why I use the Leatherique cleaner followed by Rejuvenator
to try and keep some of the oils in the material.  Perhaps just a matter
of
preference?
Werner

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From: "Hans Neureiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?




Scotchguard makes a product for upholstery cleaning. Spay on, let it


foam


and scrub with a brush. Works rerally good.

On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sunil - you can try some of the Leatherique products on the MBTex - it
seems
to work on vinyl about as well as anything, and won't hurt it,
either.  I've
used it on my MB and even F150 dash, and it does make it look better


and


appears to keep it from drying out, too.
Werner

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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?




I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to clean
MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.

Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's


small,


but


annoying.

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Re: [MBZ] MBs with Dual wheels

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no, I dont remember that option, what the heck are you talking about?

John Berryman wrote:

	Does anyone remember the dual wheels at every corner option? What 
years/models were they offered in? What was the thinking behind this 
feature? Price of this option? When/why was it discontinued?


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Re: [MBZ] CL Diesel 'Burb In Milwakee

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

probably a good deal.  If the dude upgraded the exhaust wonder why he 
didnt go with the 4" instead


Rick Knoble wrote:


http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/car/130886345.html

No affiliation, ect.
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD

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Re: [MBZ] How I found this Group

[Loren Faeth]

That is a good story too!

Google search for  "cantankerous mercedes crackpot" just now yielded 106 
hits, but the Kleb Klub was not on the first page!



At 04:47 PM 2/3/2006, you wrote:

I found the list by typing "cantankerous mercedes crackpot" into
Google, then hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button...voila, I'm home!

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

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Re: [MBZ] How I found this Group

[R A Bennell]

I'm not exactly sure how I found this list. I think I just did some searches
on the net and came up with it or a link to it or something like that. I
subscribed to a couple of other similar lists a few years back when I was
trying to convince myself to go for it, and they may have mentioned it (or
its predecessor anyhoo) there as well.

I'm 53 and have wanted a MB Diesel since I was of legal age to drive. The
perfect car. Lasts a long time, gets good fuel mileage and always looks
classy. Most people have no idea of the age so long as it is clean and
shiny.

I was always considering one but also always concerned about the cost of
repairs and the likelyhood of getting a bad one as they aged. At any rate,

I bumped into one last summer that I was willing to gamble on and paid
through the nose for it. I've only driven it about 1500 miles and have it
put away for the winter season but so far it has not bitten me in anyway.

If I had some more space, I'd happily bring a few more home. Maybe I could
buy out Kaleb and become the MB King of OK?

Randy B

Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Rick Knoble]

I have always used Meguiars products, but I have heard this 303 stuff is the 
bomb.

http://www.303products.com/main.php?infopage=home

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD 

Re: [MBZ] How I found this Group

[Zeitgeist]

I found the list by typing "cantankerous mercedes crackpot" into
Google, then hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button...voila, I'm home!

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (211k)
'84 300D (207k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

[MBZ] Minnesota CL 92 Mercedes Benz 300TE/4Matic Wagon

[Rick Knoble]

http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/car/130990242.html

Looks like a nice gasser wagon, cheap. Wish I had 4 grand to spare.
No affiliation, ect.

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
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I've seen 40/60 here but only when there is extended sub-0 temps. Where you
live, sub-0 is the norm.

On 2/3/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 03:21 PM, LT Don wrote:
>
> > In Iowa, they sell a winter mix of 30% #1 and 70% #2.
> >
>
> They'll come real close to 50/50 around here for Jan/Feb.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[Potter, Tom E]

We maybe, with lots of help from the list. Compared to other
vehicles, the M-B is very maintenance friendly. :)

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Well, aren't I supposed to be able to rebuild my MB from the ground up
with
that nice little rollup took kit that they put in the trunk?

Randy B

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Just the opposite of GM (and others) fascination with making things
complex was an old Lister-Blackstone diesel that I worked on years ago.
It took two wrenches to disassemble the whole engine. All the head
bolts, rod bolts, and main bearing nuts were 1.5 inch; everything else
was 3/4 inch. What a clever idea--much beyond anything our people could
ever dream up. The two wrenches came with the engine too.



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Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[R A Bennell]

Well, aren't I supposed to be able to rebuild my MB from the ground up with
that nice little rollup took kit that they put in the trunk?

Randy B

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Just the opposite of GM (and others) fascination with making things
complex was an old Lister-Blackstone diesel that I worked on years ago.
It took two wrenches to disassemble the whole engine. All the head
bolts, rod bolts, and main bearing nuts were 1.5 inch; everything else
was 3/4 inch. What a clever idea--much beyond anything our people could
ever dream up. The two wrenches came with the engine too.

Re: [MBZ] How I found this Group

[kevin kraly]

Hello MB-ers.

I was first drawn to MB diesels by the unmistakable sound of the 1976 300D 
that my Uncle Al bought new when I was about 4 years old.  I couldn't see, 
but I could hear that car dieseling down the street whenever he was in the 
neighborhood.  I would always ask him "how many miles do you have on it 
now?"  Through the next 20 years, the figure climbed to 380K miles which was 
unbelievable to me!  By that time, it still ran ok, but it was becoming too 
slow to climb the hills of San Clemente, CA.  I wanted to have that car when 
he was ready to get rid of it, but it was truly warn out.  I told myself 
that I was going to have a 300D some day!
About 5 years later in 2002, I finally had enough money to buy my first MB 
diesel.  It was a 1978 300D with 178K miles on it for $2500.  Everything 
worked for a while, and it was a very solid car!  I found out after joining 
this group that I may have paid too much for it, but...
I wanted to get some advice and tips to properly care for the car which I 
got from Marshall and others who saved me a lot of time and money too!  I've 
used the relatively small bit of wisdom that I've gotten from this group to 
help others on another group.  It's nice to be a part of the network of 
classic MB diesel owners around the world.  I'm currently benzless now, but 
not ieselless with a Dodge Cummins diesel pickup in the driveway.  However, 
there will always be a spot in the driveway for a Mercedes diesel.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon 

Re: [MBZ] How I found this Group

[Sunil Hari]

Guy I bought my 74 240D from said, "there's a list of diesel heads on the
web.  check it out for advice."  I probably got the wrong list, because I
found parts.mbz.org and then subscribed to a list.  What did I do with my
life ...

On 2/3/06, Potter, Tom E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You sure you not from the south; you sure tell a good yarn.
>
> Tom Potter
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 3:41 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] How I found this Group
>
> "Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
> >
> > Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
> ¢   the previous mbz.org)
>
> When I was young, I walked 2 miles to school, uphill both ways.  The
> rich guy who owned the mill would drive his Mercedes by and splash mud
> on the pants my dear Mother had made me.  Some day I was going to be
> like him.
> I swore than to make it big as an accordion player, doing weddings,
> funerals and retirement parties (from the mill) to earn big bucks.
> Diligence has it's rewards, I was able to purchase a 10 year old IBM
> 8088 for it's original values, you see the mill owners son had opened
> a computer store in the center of town, next to his sister's Bordello
> that I had a day gig in.
> It was an exciting time, I mastered AOL in 6 months flat!
> A Giggle search helped me find the list in about 1999.  I lurked for 3
> weeks, so as to find all of the inner secrets of the Klatta
> Brotherhood as we are known to the outer world.  I found out that
> Diesel fuel was much cheaper than regular gas, M/B parts were readily
> available, and even even a cowboy from Oklahoma could handle repairs!
> I was also learned of this Trusty Rusty fellow who scratched out a
> living in central Georgia selling M/B parts, cars and BBQ.  {I must
> digress, being a northerner; I feel a certain responsibility to
> support the revival of the South.  To this day I still drink nothing
> but Kentucky Whiskey}
> Rusty had a very nice 300SDL, the deal was consummated.  Wife and I
> flew down, jumped into the car and drove it like we stole it.
>
> Regrets, I have a few;
> We never made a BBQ
> Sorry Willie!
>
> I really should have looked harder for a 240D Manny.  I actually meet
> an old fellow in New Hampshire who was driving a mid80's with 58,000
> miles on it.  He had bought it new and stored it in the barn during
> salt season it had -0- rust!.  I offered him obscene money for it
> {$5,000}.  He promised to keep my name next to his registration in the
> event he is forced to sell. More my type of car, I like simple things.
> I've never had a Yo-Yo I couldn't fix.
>
> I should have painted my car a week after I got it.
>
> Nice group of folks on this list, even the contrary ones are not rude.
> I've driven my car about 100,000 miles.  Not a cheap ride but very
> reliable if you pay attention and do maintenance in a timely manor. My
> wife likes to ride but not drive it.  She is very uncomfortable with
> the lethargic acceleration from rest.
>
> That's my story, I'm sticking to it!
>
>
> Pete Arnold
> Windsor, CT
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 05:02 PM, Potter, Tom E wrote:


Just the opposite of GM (and others) fascination with making things
complex was an old Lister-Blackstone diesel that I worked on years ago.
It took two wrenches to disassemble the whole engine. All the head
bolts, rod bolts, and main bearing nuts were 1.5 inch; everything else
was 3/4 inch. What a clever idea--much beyond anything our people could
ever dream up. The two wrenches came with the engine too.



I'd like to see more logic applied to design.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[Potter, Tom E]

Just the opposite of GM (and others) fascination with making things
complex was an old Lister-Blackstone diesel that I worked on years ago.
It took two wrenches to disassemble the whole engine. All the head
bolts, rod bolts, and main bearing nuts were 1.5 inch; everything else
was 3/4 inch. What a clever idea--much beyond anything our people could
ever dream up. The two wrenches came with the engine too.

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On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 02:54 PM, Potter, Tom E wrote:

> I just wish the US would switch over instead of doing it half*. I
> just removed a 700R4 transmission from a GMC truck last week. The
bolts
> connecting the housing to the engine were SAE, but the bolts
connecting
> the torque converter to the flexplate were metric. What an
abomination.
>

15mm IIRC. GM threw some 10mm, 16mm and 18mm stuff at us too.
??

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] B20

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 03:21 PM, LT Don wrote:


In Iowa, they sell a winter mix of 30% #1 and 70% #2.



They'll come real close to 50/50 around here for Jan/Feb.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 02:54 PM, Potter, Tom E wrote:


I just wish the US would switch over instead of doing it half*. I
just removed a 700R4 transmission from a GMC truck last week. The bolts
connecting the housing to the engine were SAE, but the bolts connecting
the torque converter to the flexplate were metric. What an abomination.



15mm IIRC. GM threw some 10mm, 16mm and 18mm stuff at us too. ??

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Cars and electric bikes and such

[Levi Smith]

That does sound like good luck.  I come from a Chrysler family.  Growing up
we had one of the minivans where the tranny died at 70K miles.  My parents
got a 97' Stratus that went through a couple headgaskets, half of the dash
periodically blinked out and other brake/suspension problems, etc.  It was
retired at around 150K miles when fuel pump problems or whatnot made it less
than reliable to keep driving.  Now they have an 04 PT Cruiser that has
already leaked out all the freon once and the engine has had issues with
stumbling when cold.  And an 04 Ram 1500 4wd that the diff just blew out on.
As for the GM's our neighbor had an 80's blazer that he put 3 trannys in.
Now he has one that's only a few years old.  It's on it's second tranny now.
My sister got a Taurus that the tranny died on, and now has engine problems
as well, among the other nice things like window motors dying, etc...
So, I'll stick with my wife and I's 10 year olf Suby's with 130K and 212K
miles on that have not had more than 1 or 2 minor issues (alternator, water
pump on mine.  A MAF for my wife's).  (:

As for the E-bike, they definitely help out on hills.  If you can somehow
get the chance to test drive one, that would be ideal.  Then you could
verify how it will work for your situation.

Levi

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>
> Levi,
>
>   I apparently have really great luck, I have a Dakota pickup now and its
> been very reliable. Broke down once but that was my own fault for ignoring a
> waterpump that was telling me it was time. My '88 GMC Jimmy was really
> terrific, only breakdown on that was a fuel pump which again was telling me
> it was time in advance.
>   I almost never find myself with a bunch of people in the car, the Dakota
> is extended cab but we've only ever had more than 2 of us in it twice in 7
> years.
>
>   On the electric bike front where I live is very hilly but I'm thinking
> it might be enough to just have some assistance climbing back up to our
> house and over to the place where my wife walks the dogs. I'll hafta look
> into it.
>
>   -Curt
>
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Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Curt Raymond]

I'll second Meguirs as good stuff and add a kick to Armorall.
   
  I put Armorall on a snowmobile seat not long ago, really soaked the stuff to 
it, the seat was hardened a bit from age and it immediately appeared to soften 
but over the next month or so got even more brittle than before. The seatback 
on that snowmobile is a separate piece of the same material, I hit that with 
Meguirs, I think I acutally used leather treatment, I can't remember exactly. 
That also softened the material but it didn't harden back up. The first time I 
rode the snowmobile the seat split all to pieces the seatback is fine. I was 
surprised by this so I seriously beat on the seatback thinking it survived only 
because I wasn't actually sitting on it. I couldn't make it split...
   
  I threw the armorall in the trash.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:06:04 -0700
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Sunil,

I have found good results w/Meguir's #40 Vinyl Cleaner. Available in  
most MacParts stores. And from past discussions, Armorall will  
dry out the MBTex, Dashes, etc.  Maybe just Urban Legend, but I do  
believe it has a rather high content of alcohol...

Take care,
Chuck



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You sure you not from the south; you sure tell a good yarn.

Tom Potter

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"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
>=20
> Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
=A2 the previous mbz.org)

When I was young, I walked 2 miles to school, uphill both ways.  The
rich guy who owned the mill would drive his Mercedes by and splash mud
on the pants my dear Mother had made me.  Some day I was going to be
like him.
I swore than to make it big as an accordion player, doing weddings,
funerals and retirement parties (from the mill) to earn big bucks.
Diligence has it's rewards, I was able to purchase a 10 year old IBM
8088 for it's original values, you see the mill owners son had opened
a computer store in the center of town, next to his sister's Bordello
that I had a day gig in.
It was an exciting time, I mastered AOL in 6 months flat!
A Giggle search helped me find the list in about 1999.  I lurked for 3
weeks, so as to find all of the inner secrets of the Klatta
Brotherhood as we are known to the outer world.  I found out that
Diesel fuel was much cheaper than regular gas, M/B parts were readily
available, and even even a cowboy from Oklahoma could handle repairs!
I was also learne

[MBZ] Cars and electric bikes and such

[Curt Raymond]

Levi,
   
  I apparently have really great luck, I have a Dakota pickup now and its been 
very reliable. Broke down once but that was my own fault for ignoring a 
waterpump that was telling me it was time. My '88 GMC Jimmy was really 
terrific, only breakdown on that was a fuel pump which again was telling me it 
was time in advance.
  I almost never find myself with a bunch of people in the car, the Dakota is 
extended cab but we've only ever had more than 2 of us in it twice in 7 years.
   
  On the electric bike front where I live is very hilly but I'm thinking it 
might be enough to just have some assistance climbing back up to our house and 
over to the place where my wife walks the dogs. I'll hafta look into it.
   
  -Curt


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"Kaleb C. Striplin" wrote:
>=20
> Would be interesting to find out how people came to be on this list(or
=A2 the previous mbz.org)

When I was young, I walked 2 miles to school, uphill both ways.  The
rich guy who owned the mill would drive his Mercedes by and splash mud
on the pants my dear Mother had made me.  Some day I was going to be
like him.
I swore than to make it big as an accordion player, doing weddings,
funerals and retirement parties (from the mill) to earn big bucks.
Diligence has it's rewards, I was able to purchase a 10 year old IBM
8088 for it's original values, you see the mill owners son had opened
a computer store in the center of town, next to his sister's Bordello
that I had a day gig in.
It was an exciting time, I mastered AOL in 6 months flat!
A Giggle search helped me find the list in about 1999.  I lurked for 3
weeks, so as to find all of the inner secrets of the Klatta
Brotherhood as we are known to the outer world.  I found out that
Diesel fuel was much cheaper than regular gas, M/B parts were readily
available, and even even a cowboy from Oklahoma could handle repairs!
I was also learned of this Trusty Rusty fellow who scratched out a
living in central Georgia selling M/B parts, cars and BBQ.  {I must
digress, being a northerner; I feel a certain responsibility to
support the revival of the South.  To this day I still drink nothing
but Kentucky Whiskey}
Rusty had a very nice 300SDL, the deal was consummated.  Wife and I
flew down, jumped into the car and drove it like we stole it.

Regrets, I have a few;
We never made a BBQ
Sorry Willie!

I really should have looked harder for a 240D Manny.  I actually meet
an old fellow in New Hampshire who was driving a mid80's with 58,000
miles on it.  He had bought it new and stored it in the barn during
salt season it had -0- rust!.  I offered him obscene money for it
{$5,000}.  He promised to keep my name next to his registration in the
event he is forced to sell. More my type of car, I like simple things.
I've never had a Yo-Yo I couldn't fix.

I should have painted my car a week after I got it.

Nice group of folks on this list, even the contrary ones are not rude.
I've driven my car about 100,000 miles.  Not a cheap ride but very
reliable if you pay attention and do maintenance in a timely manor. My
wife likes to ride but not drive it.  She is very uncomfortable with
the lethargic acceleration from rest.

That's my story, I'm sticking to it!


Pete Arnold
Windsor, CT

[MBZ] Ethanol

[Curt Raymond]

I use ISO Heet exclusively to remove water from snowmobile gas. Methanol and 2 
stroke motors apparently don't mix. I don't know that from personal experience, 
just from what I've been told.
  I've used it a couple times in my 240D. Got my best fuel mileage ever (32.6) 
with iso heet in the previous tank.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:05:09 -0600
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>
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>Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:25:12 -0600
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>To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>The company that made Heet went belly up about 20 years ago.  There 
have
>been different formulations over the years and some are methanol and 
others
>were ethanol or blends.
>
>I also remember when the station in town had a drum of alcohol to put 
in
>the radiator for the oldtimers who didn't believe in Prestone  or 
Zerex
>
>We had a neighbor who drive his Model T until he died.
>
>At 08:45 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
> >I think HEET is Methanol or Isopropanol, not Ethanol.
> >
> >On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Here Here!   3 Cheers for LT Don!
> >
> > > Does anyone remember HEET?  We used to dump cans of HEET in our 
tanks
> > in the
> > > winter to prevent the water in gasoline from freezing.  HEET was 
ethyl
> > > alcohol.
> > >
> >
> >--
> >OK Don, KD5NRO
> >Norman, OK
> >'90 300D 243K, Rattled
> >'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
> >'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
> >'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
> >'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
> >
> >___
The last two bottles of HEET I bought, the main ingredient was 
methanol.
I didn't put in my radiator, but I did put it in my windshield washer 
fluid 
tank :)

Roger



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On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 02:15 PM, Dave M. wrote:

> Hi Sunil,
>
> I use Meguiar's vinyl cleaner - it works great. Spray on liberally,
> scrub with a stiff bristled brush, wipe off with a clean cloth (which
> won't stay clean very long). It's quite a bit of work but the Tex
> should clean up nicely. Don't waste money on Leatherique, that stuff
> is magic on real leather, but Tex won't soak it up like leather does.
> Yes it will work as a cleaner, but the cost is prohibitive. If you
> can't find Meguiar's vinyl cleaner at your FLAPS, I'd use whatever
> vinyl cleaner you can locate.
>
> :)
>
> -Dave M.
>
Sunil,
Listen to Dave. He keeps his cars way too clean. Giving the rest of us 
a bad rep.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold

[Marshall Booth]

Curt Raymond wrote:

Hey Johnny,
   
  Have you ever tried the Powerservice 911, the stuff in the red bottle? It purports "Reliquefies gelled fuel in minutes - no tow truck needed " I'm curious how that would work, like if you've got gelled fuel in the filter how does the stuff get there?

  They've got a great animation on their website www.powerservice.com that 
shows a test tube demo but its not like you can pick up and shake your car...


Once the fuel turns solid, allowing it to warm up is the only reliable 
solution - just like Johnny B. says. The stuff in the red bottle doesn't 
 do much good if you can't move it throughout the entire fuel system 
and for that, the fuel HAS to flow.


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Re: [MBZ] best way to REPAIR MB-Tex?

[LT Don]

I repaired a small triangular tear on a seat back (rear seat) using a fairly
inexpensive vinyl repair kit that I picked up somewhere (WalMart or KMart or
MacParts). Was easy to use and a pretty good color/grain match.

On 2/3/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Come on folks - I've been watching this thread all day for the difinitive
> answer to the question about repair and no one has noted it at all.
> All of the response so far has related to the issue of cleaning it.
>
> My driver's seat has a small hole where one of the springs has worn
> through
> the horsehair pad. What is my best bet on a repair? My basic thought was
> to
> obtain some cream colored vinyl - naughahyde or whatever - and just lay it
> in under the seatcovering material. I wasn't sure if it should be glued or
> otherwise attached or if it might reasonably stay put just by itself.
> Anyone
> been there and done that?
>
> Randy B
>
> >> >>
> >> >> - Original Message -
> >> >> From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
> >> >> Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to
> clean
> >> >> > MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's
> >> small,
> >> >> but
> >> >> > annoying.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
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> >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> > 513-205-7474
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Re: [MBZ] what IS the "diesel noise"?

[Christopher McCann]

Danke Doktor!
  
  Chris

Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Christopher McCann wrote:
> I'm talking about a perfectly healthy purring engine. I'm thinking:
>   
>   1. Injection pump getting fuel up to pressure (BTW, what pressure does the 
> fuel inject at on an OM617? OM603?)
>   2. The detonation under higher compression

New injector injection pressure for a non-turbo OM61x/60x Mercedes 
diesels is 115-125 bar (1667-1812 psi) and 135-145 bar (1957-2102 psi) 
for turbos.

The noise you hear from a diesel engine is the sound of combustion. It 
can be made VERY quiet if the interior of the prechamber is very very 
precise. As it accumulates residue or if the injection spray pattern and 
pressure isn't precise, the noise increases. The properties of the fuel 
  also contribute to noise. Using noise as a tool to measure the 
condition of a diesel is foolish. A perfect Cummins or Ford diesel makes 
one heck of a lot of racket at idle while a Mercedes diesel shouldn't, 
but it takes only a tiny flaw (a little soot in the prechamber, a little 
nozzle coking or some air or water in the fuel) to make the Mercedes 
sound as bad as the Cummins or Ford.

Marshall
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Hello Kaleb,
If these reports are still available, I'd appreciate getting one for this
VIN:

WDBAB50AXBB006978.

Thank you for all your help,

Omar.

Re: [MBZ] what IS the "diesel noise"?

[Trampas]

Once I heard a story that an engineer told someone it was because the
combustion pressure in the cylinder was causing the head bolts to stretch
and then after the pressure went down the head slammed back on to the block
and thus you got the pinging. 

Of course this is not true but funny to think about.

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] what IS the "diesel noise"?

Christopher McCann wrote:
> I'm talking about a perfectly healthy purring engine. I'm thinking:
>   
>   1. Injection pump getting fuel up to pressure (BTW, what pressure does
the fuel inject at on an OM617? OM603?)
>   2. The detonation under higher compression

New injector injection pressure for a non-turbo OM61x/60x Mercedes 
diesels is 115-125 bar (1667-1812 psi) and 135-145 bar (1957-2102 psi) 
for turbos.

The noise you hear from a diesel engine is the sound of combustion. It 
can be made VERY quiet if the interior of the prechamber is very very 
precise. As it accumulates residue or if the injection spray pattern and 
pressure isn't precise, the noise increases. The properties of the fuel 
  also contribute to noise. Using noise as a tool to measure the 
condition of a diesel is foolish. A perfect Cummins or Ford diesel makes 
one heck of a lot of racket at idle while a Mercedes diesel shouldn't, 
but it takes only a tiny flaw (a little soot in the prechamber, a little 
nozzle coking or some air or water in the fuel) to make the Mercedes 
sound as bad as the Cummins or Ford.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] best way to REPAIR MB-Tex?

[Werner Fehlauer]

Randy/Sunil et al:
Repair of vinyl is probably similar to repairing leather.  I can tell you 
that the folks at Leatherique recommend a patch piece underneath, held in 
place by liquid nails adhesive.  I still (procrastination is fun!) have to 
repair 2 places in the leather of my SD, so can't give a testimonial as to 
how well it works, but the advice seemed sound.

Werner

- Original Message - 
From: "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to REPAIR MB-Tex?



Come on folks - I've been watching this thread all day for the difinitive
answer to the question about repair and no one has noted it at all.
All of the response so far has related to the issue of cleaning it.

My driver's seat has a small hole where one of the springs has worn 
through
the horsehair pad. What is my best bet on a repair? My basic thought was 
to

obtain some cream colored vinyl - naughahyde or whatever - and just lay it
in under the seatcovering material. I wasn't sure if it should be glued or
otherwise attached or if it might reasonably stay put just by itself. 
Anyone

been there and done that?

Randy B


>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
>> Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?
>>
>>
>> > I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to 
>> > clean

>> > MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.
>> >
>> > Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's
small,
>> but
>> > annoying.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sunil Hari
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > 513-205-7474

Re: [MBZ] what IS the "diesel noise"?

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

I'm talking about a perfectly healthy purring engine. I'm thinking:
  
  1. Injection pump getting fuel up to pressure (BTW, what pressure does the fuel inject at on an OM617? OM603?)

  2. The detonation under higher compression


New injector injection pressure for a non-turbo OM61x/60x Mercedes 
diesels is 115-125 bar (1667-1812 psi) and 135-145 bar (1957-2102 psi) 
for turbos.


The noise you hear from a diesel engine is the sound of combustion. It 
can be made VERY quiet if the interior of the prechamber is very very 
precise. As it accumulates residue or if the injection spray pattern and 
pressure isn't precise, the noise increases. The properties of the fuel 
 also contribute to noise. Using noise as a tool to measure the 
condition of a diesel is foolish. A perfect Cummins or Ford diesel makes 
one heck of a lot of racket at idle while a Mercedes diesel shouldn't, 
but it takes only a tiny flaw (a little soot in the prechamber, a little 
nozzle coking or some air or water in the fuel) to make the Mercedes 
sound as bad as the Cummins or Ford.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Hendrik Riessen]

Yeah I have heard as well that Armourall is a no go for the dash. It has 
been suggested that sunscreen is the thing for the dash but I would be 
carefull of what I would use on the tex because if you wear a white shirt 
and some of the treatment comes off, the white shirt might not be so white 
anymore.


Hendrik

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 4:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?



Sunil,

I have found good results w/Meguir's #40 Vinyl Cleaner. Available in
most MacParts stores. And from past discussions, Armorall will
dry out the MBTex, Dashes, etc.  Maybe just Urban Legend, but I do
believe it has a rather high content of alcohol...

Take care,
Chuck
On Feb 3, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Werner Fehlauer wrote:


Hans - While upholstery foaming cleaners work great on upholstery,
I would
think that they would tend to dry out hard surfaces such as leather
or MBtex
(vinyl).  That's why I use the Leatherique cleaner followed by
Rejuvenator
to try and keep some of the oils in the material.  Perhaps just a
matter of
preference?
Werner

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Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?



Scotchguard makes a product for upholstery cleaning. Spay on, let
it foam
and scrub with a brush. Works rerally good.

On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sunil - you can try some of the Leatherique products on the MBTex
- it
seems
to work on vinyl about as well as anything, and won't hurt it,
either.  I've
used it on my MB and even F150 dash, and it does make it look
better and
appears to keep it from drying out, too.
Werner

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?



I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to
clean
MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.

Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's
small,

but

annoying.

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Re: [MBZ] Not so new Benz diesel

[RELNGSON]

>

Except that's not the new diesel. The REALLY new 3.2 V-6 four-cam 3rd 
generation CDI engine is due maybe later this year as an '07. The UK magazine 
Mercedes Enthusiast published a road test of a C-Class with the V-6 diesel last 
year 
and raved about it. As good as the in-line six is, the V-6 eclipses it in 
performance and fuel economy.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] best way to REPAIR MB-Tex?

[Alan Duff]

On Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:28:44 -0800, "R A Bennell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :

> Come on folks - I've been watching this thread all day for the difinitive
> answer to the question about repair and no one has noted it at all.
> All of the response so far has related to the issue of cleaning it.
>

That is because there is no good way to repair a hole. In my experience 
the hole is caused by a broken spring and worn out pad. You can lay 
material under the tex and glue a piece on top. The top piece will shortly 
fuzz up on the edges. For the cost of the spring and pad you can probably 
find a used seat with decent srings and pad without a hole.

Alan Duff
Knoxville, TN

Re: [MBZ] power windows fail - coinsidence?

[Marshall Booth]

Hans Neureiter wrote:

Is it just a coincidence that both, the R/F and L/R window motors went south
at the same time or could there be an underlying problem.
First I suspected a bad fuse since these windows are on the same circuit,
but that all checked good. Traced it down to a bad motor at
R/F
and blamed the L/R on a bad switch in the door. The plastic housing had
buckled and didn't keep the rocker in place.
A new motor fixed the front door. Just now I got a new swith for the rear
(Oh, procrastination is so sweet) and it is now evident that the motor is
out.


DID you REPLACE the fuse?

Marshall
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[MBZ] what IS the "diesel noise"?

[Christopher McCann]

I'm talking about a perfectly healthy purring engine. I'm thinking:
  
  1. Injection pump getting fuel up to pressure (BTW, what pressure does the 
fuel inject at on an OM617? OM603?)
  2. The detonation under higher compression
  
  Thanks!
  

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Come on folks - I've been watching this thread all day for the difinitive
answer to the question about repair and no one has noted it at all.
All of the response so far has related to the issue of cleaning it.

My driver's seat has a small hole where one of the springs has worn through
the horsehair pad. What is my best bet on a repair? My basic thought was to
obtain some cream colored vinyl - naughahyde or whatever - and just lay it
in under the seatcovering material. I wasn't sure if it should be glued or
otherwise attached or if it might reasonably stay put just by itself. Anyone
been there and done that?

Randy B

>> >>
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>> >> From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>> >> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
>> >> Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to clean
>> >> > MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's
>> small,
>> >> but
>> >> > annoying.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
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>> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [MBZ] B20

[LT Don]

In Iowa, they sell a winter mix of 30% #1 and 70% #2.

On 2/3/06, Roger Conlon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> >--
>
> >From: LT Don During my lunch break, I drove to our town's truck stop (a
> >five mile round
> >trip from my office) intent on giving the 240D its first taste of B20
> fuel.
> >
> >The "biodiesel" was gone from the sign, replaced by "#1 diesel."  Went in
> >and asked if they still had B20, and was told that they wouldn't be
> >carrying
> >it again until spring. I took that to mean that they are using the B20's
> >storage tank for #1 diesel during the winter months.
> >
> >Bummer.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] B20

[Luther Gulseth]

They're just scared after what happened north of them.  But what they don't 
know is, trucks running BioD may have problems with fuel filters during the 
summer too!  The general public is largely VERY unedumicated about BioD and how 
it will clean out the Dino crap left in your tank and fuel lines.  Oh well, let 
them be ignorant.

Luther

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~>
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'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

[MBZ] B20

[Roger Conlon]

--


From: LT Don During my lunch break, I drove to our town's truck stop (a 
five mile round

trip from my office) intent on giving the 240D its first taste of B20 fuel.

The "biodiesel" was gone from the sign, replaced by "#1 diesel."  Went in
and asked if they still had B20, and was told that they wouldn't be 
carrying

it again until spring. I took that to mean that they are using the B20's
storage tank for #1 diesel during the winter months.

Bummer.

--
1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

--


Thats strange I've be running B20 as my winter fuel.

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] ground hog cars

[andrew strasfogel]

The 108 280SE cars both looked great and the one for $950 looked like a
truly good deal!



On 2/2/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> as always
>
> use delete key as needed
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130755830.html  --  190e stick
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130716898.html  --  67 230 $3k
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130709102.html  --  83 sec $2500
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130705086.html  --  POS E320 $6k
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130700775.html  --  62 220Sb  $500
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130694025.html  --  84 TD  $1200
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130673999.html  --  84 SD $2k
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130651588.html  -- Overprice CD
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130627501.html  -- Fubar 280C
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130519707.html  --  $3K SEL  86
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130600911.html  --  80 Stick 240D
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/13054.html  -- Diesel Beemer
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130597021.html  --  90 SEL
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130563347.html  --  88 TE $3k
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130561023.html  --  280SEL  $1200
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130473454.html  --  91  SE  $4k
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130463104.html  --  81 SE $2k
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130447771.html  -- 70  280se $1k
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130312860.html  --  67 250S $600
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130269376.html  --  91  190 2.6
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130253442.html  --  77 300d $2k
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130208253.html  --  Casey car
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130184723.html  --  84 SEl $6k
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130135830.html  --  72 SEL $6500
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130134055.html  --  84 SE $1200
>
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130102927.html  --  68 SE $6k
>
> there are probably more out there but these are freshest
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Clay
> Seattle Bioburner
>
> 1972 220D - Gump
> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[Potter, Tom E]

I just wish the US would switch over instead of doing it half*. I
just removed a 700R4 transmission from a GMC truck last week. The bolts
connecting the housing to the engine were SAE, but the bolts connecting
the torque converter to the flexplate were metric. What an abomination.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rory
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 1:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

Now where is my metric Cresent wrench.

On 2/3/06, Potter, Tom  E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I assume this is correct information:
>
> http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/internat.htm
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:08 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?
>
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:10:33 -0500 "wilton strickland"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Has UK gone metric?
>
> Uh ... yes ... many years ago.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[Rory]

Now where is my metric Cresent wrench.

On 2/3/06, Potter, Tom  E <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I assume this is correct information:
>
> http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/internat.htm
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?
>
> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:10:33 -0500 "wilton strickland"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > Has UK gone metric?
>
> Uh ... yes ... many years ago.
>
>
> Craig
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[MBZ] biodiesel bumped

[LT Don]

During my lunch break, I drove to our town's truck stop (a five mile round
trip from my office) intent on giving the 240D its first taste of B20 fuel.

The "biodiesel" was gone from the sign, replaced by "#1 diesel."  Went in
and asked if they still had B20, and was told that they wouldn't be carrying
it again until spring. I took that to mean that they are using the B20's
storage tank for #1 diesel during the winter months.

Bummer.

--
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1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Dave M.]

Hi Sunil,

I use Meguiar's vinyl cleaner - it works great. Spray on liberally,
scrub with a stiff bristled brush, wipe off with a clean cloth (which
won't stay clean very long). It's quite a bit of work but the Tex
should clean up nicely. Don't waste money on Leatherique, that stuff
is magic on real leather, but Tex won't soak it up like leather does.
Yes it will work as a cleaner, but the cost is prohibitive. If you
can't find Meguiar's vinyl cleaner at your FLAPS, I'd use whatever
vinyl cleaner you can locate.

:)

-Dave M.


> --
> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 11:32:45 -0500
> From: Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?
>
>
> I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to clean
> MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.
>
> Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's small, but
> annoying.
>
> --
> Sunil Hari

Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[David Brodbeck]

Werner Fehlauer wrote:
Hans - I believe the consensus of many on these nets over the years has been 
to avoid Armorall if at all possible.  I've found that the stuff leaves a 
coating that eventually really makes a mess of things.


It also outgasses and fogs up your windshield.

Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Werner Fehlauer]

Hans - I believe the consensus of many on these nets over the years has been 
to avoid Armorall if at all possible.  I've found that the stuff leaves a 
coating that eventually really makes a mess of things.  Definitely you don't 
want to put that on any of the leather surfaces commonly found in a lot of 
Mercedes-Benz cars.
Leatherique may sound "French", but I'm sure George and Kristi Pavlisko 
wouldn't say that it is.  And Rusty carries their products - so its easy to 
get.  And after you've seen the stuff work on real leather, it appears to be 
worth every penny.

Werner

- Original Message - 
From: "Hans Neureiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?



I go afterwards with a dose of Armorall. Leatherique sounds french and is
rediculous expensive.

On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hans - While upholstery foaming cleaners work great on upholstery, I 
would

think that they would tend to dry out hard surfaces such as leather or
MBtex
(vinyl).  That's why I use the Leatherique cleaner followed by 
Rejuvenator

to try and keep some of the oils in the material.  Perhaps just a matter
of
preference?
Werner

- Original Message -
From: "Hans Neureiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?


> Scotchguard makes a product for upholstery cleaning. Spay on, let it
foam
> and scrub with a brush. Works rerally good.
>
> On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Sunil - you can try some of the Leatherique products on the MBTex - it
>> seems
>> to work on vinyl about as well as anything, and won't hurt it,
>> either.  I've
>> used it on my MB and even F150 dash, and it does make it look better
and
>> appears to keep it from drying out, too.
>> Werner
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
>> Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?
>>
>>
>> > I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to clean
>> > MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.
>> >
>> > Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's
small,
>> but
>> > annoying.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sunil Hari
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > 513-205-7474

Re: [MBZ] Rear half shafts

[Brian Chase]

Yep, the diagnosis was head gasket. This indie is not very talkative and we 
have never met face to face. So he says it was a head gasket, so I just have 
to be satisfied with that. He's the kind of guy that won't offer any more 
information than he has to. In fact he didn't call us to let us know the car 
was done. Who knows when he would've called. It's not like we're not giving 
him a lot of money. Hey, as long as he's skilled and honest, things will be 
just fine.


Brian
83 240D


From: "Rick Knoble" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rear half shafts
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:46:23 -0600

> By the way, the new (used) engine is reportedly in and running "well". 
We

> should be picking 'er up in a few weeks.
>
> Brian
> 83 240D
 Congrats Brian. Did a postmortem ever get performed on the old engine to
determine the cause of its demise? Just curious
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD

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Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Chuck Landenberger]

Sunil,

I have found good results w/Meguir's #40 Vinyl Cleaner. Available in  
most MacParts stores. And from past discussions, Armorall will  
dry out the MBTex, Dashes, etc.  Maybe just Urban Legend, but I do  
believe it has a rather high content of alcohol...


Take care,
Chuck
On Feb 3, 2006, at 10:19 AM, Werner Fehlauer wrote:

Hans - While upholstery foaming cleaners work great on upholstery,  
I would
think that they would tend to dry out hard surfaces such as leather  
or MBtex
(vinyl).  That's why I use the Leatherique cleaner followed by  
Rejuvenator
to try and keep some of the oils in the material.  Perhaps just a  
matter of

preference?
Werner

- Original Message -
From: "Hans Neureiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?


Scotchguard makes a product for upholstery cleaning. Spay on, let  
it foam

and scrub with a brush. Works rerally good.

On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sunil - you can try some of the Leatherique products on the MBTex  
- it

seems
to work on vinyl about as well as anything, and won't hurt it,
either.  I've
used it on my MB and even F150 dash, and it does make it look  
better and

appears to keep it from drying out, too.
Werner

- Original Message -
From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?


I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to  
clean

MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.

Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's  
small,

but

annoying.

--
Sunil Hari
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
513-205-7474



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Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Hans Neureiter]

I go afterwards with a dose of Armorall. Leatherique sounds french and is
rediculous expensive.

On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hans - While upholstery foaming cleaners work great on upholstery, I would
> think that they would tend to dry out hard surfaces such as leather or
> MBtex
> (vinyl).  That's why I use the Leatherique cleaner followed by Rejuvenator
> to try and keep some of the oils in the material.  Perhaps just a matter
> of
> preference?
> Werner
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Hans Neureiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?
>
>
> > Scotchguard makes a product for upholstery cleaning. Spay on, let it
> foam
> > and scrub with a brush. Works rerally good.
> >
> > On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sunil - you can try some of the Leatherique products on the MBTex - it
> >> seems
> >> to work on vinyl about as well as anything, and won't hurt it,
> >> either.  I've
> >> used it on my MB and even F150 dash, and it does make it look better
> and
> >> appears to keep it from drying out, too.
> >> Werner
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
> >> Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?
> >>
> >>
> >> > I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to clean
> >> > MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.
> >> >
> >> > Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's
> small,
> >> but
> >> > annoying.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sunil Hari
> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > 513-205-7474
>
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Re: [MBZ] power windows fail - coinsidence?

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

Jep. That's how I diagnosed the front motor and now the rear. Just too 
weird
that both of them crapped out simultaneously and the switch distorted. 
My

suspicion is that this circuit may had low voltage and overloaded the
motors. But than on the other hand, the fuse should have blown.



	Its possible that it lost enough current through a corroded connection 
to damage the motors without blowing a fuse.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Werner Fehlauer]

Hans - While upholstery foaming cleaners work great on upholstery, I would 
think that they would tend to dry out hard surfaces such as leather or MBtex 
(vinyl).  That's why I use the Leatherique cleaner followed by Rejuvenator 
to try and keep some of the oils in the material.  Perhaps just a matter of 
preference?

Werner

- Original Message - 
From: "Hans Neureiter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?



Scotchguard makes a product for upholstery cleaning. Spay on, let it foam
and scrub with a brush. Works rerally good.

On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sunil - you can try some of the Leatherique products on the MBTex - it
seems
to work on vinyl about as well as anything, and won't hurt it,
either.  I've
used it on my MB and even F150 dash, and it does make it look better and
appears to keep it from drying out, too.
Werner

- Original Message -
From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?


> I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to clean
> MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.
>
> Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's small,
but
> annoying.
>
> --
> Sunil Hari
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 513-205-7474

[MBZ] MBs with Dual wheels

[John Berryman]

	Does anyone remember the dual wheels at every corner option? What 
years/models were they offered in? What was the thinking behind this 
feature? Price of this option? When/why was it discontinued?


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Scotchguard makes a product for upholstery cleaning. Spay on, let it foam
and scrub with a brush. Works rerally good.

On 2/3/06, Werner Fehlauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Sunil - you can try some of the Leatherique products on the MBTex - it
seems
to work on vinyl about as well as anything, and won't hurt it,
either.  I've
used it on my MB and even F150 dash, and it does make it look better and
appears to keep it from drying out, too.
Werner

- Original Message -
From: "Sunil Hari" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 11:32 AM
Subject: [MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?


> I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to clean
> MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.
>
> Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's small,
but
> annoying.
>
> --
> Sunil Hari
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D

Re: [MBZ] power windows fail - coinsidence?

[Hans Neureiter]

Jep. That's how I diagnosed the front motor and now the rear. Just too weird
that both of them crapped out simultaneously and the switch distorted. My
suspicion is that this circuit may had low voltage and overloaded the
motors. But than on the other hand, the fuse should have blown.

On 2/3/06, John Berryman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:
>
> > Is it just a coincidence that both, the R/F and L/R window motors went
> > south
> > at the same time or could there be an underlying problem.
> > First I suspected a bad fuse since these windows are on the same
> > circuit,
> > but that all checked good. Traced it down to a bad motor at
> > R/F
> > and blamed the L/R on a bad switch in the door. The plastic housing had
> > buckled and didn't keep the rocker in place.
> > A new motor fixed the front door. Just now I got a new swith for the
> > rear
> > (Oh, procrastination is so sweet) and it is now evident that the motor
> > is
> > out.
> >
>
>I would call it coincidence if the RF now works and LR doesn't. I'd
> look at (change) the fuse anyway and look into the feed for that
> circuit. Connections often get hot enough to melt plastic connectors
> and deform the metal contact area.
>Have you hooked an external power source (jump box, spare battery
> or
> DC power supply) directly to the motor leads?
>
> Johnny B.
> I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

[Levi Smith]

Well, I certainly wouldn't go buy a new Subaru.  I bought my 97' with 92K
miles for about $7400 around 6 years ago.  It's got 212K on it now and other
than an alternator around 140K, all it's needed was a water pump last week.
Though I'll agree, the mileage might not be that much better than some truck
you're considering if it's small enough.  However, if it's a Chevy, I could
almost guarantee the Sube would be more reliable.  However, if you find
yourself hardly ever carrying more than two people and frequently using the
bed, then the truck might be the better bet.  (though personally I'd go find
a used Toyota at that point).

The E-bikes are kind of like the E-cars.  They work well (you can use them
without pedalling at all), but they're greatly effected by hills.  And if
you don't pedal at all, they can drain pretty quick.  But you can travel at
around maybe 12mph with a pretty gental pedal on flat pavement.  you can do
20mph or better if you're willing to really go at it.  It just all depends
on the conditions as to how well they will work.  The nice part with them is
that the chargers are small enough that if you use up the juice on the way
to work, you could pop off the battery (even if you leave your bike outside)
and plug it in at work so it's good to go for the ride home.  I bought a
second battery for fear of running out.  Problem is the weight.  I bought a
rack, but it's hard to keep that 35lbs-ish of battery back there without
falling off if you go over anything rough...  And it feels like I'm pulling
the seams apart if I try to put it in a backpack...

Levi (:

On 2/3/06, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Levi,
>
>   I wonder if one of the electric bike add-ons would work for my wife? Its
> her need to walk those stupid dogs that keeps her from just using her bike
> full time. Theres nowhere to shower at work so she'd end up being all sweaty
> in the afternoon.
>   I commute 40 miles a day and we have adverse weather here in New England
> (plenty of ice this year) and I've never had a problem with my 240D. The
> 190D should cut my fuel usage by 1/3.
>   As for camp, its 3/4 of a mile of pretty rough road, a Subaru might cut
> it but spending $20,000 on a new car just doesn't make any sense. I can buy
> a tremendous amount of gas for that money. A Colorado pickup is only going
> to $16k or so, the extra money to get into the Subaru doesn't make any sense
> for the small amount of gas saved. If you go over to fueleconomy.gov and
> compare the small engine manual shift for each the Subaru is 4mpg better,
> which breaks down to only $269 a year more for the pickup
>
>   -Curt
>
>   Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:30:39 -0500
> From: Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil
> To: Mercedes Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sounds like you could probably do most of your work with just a car and
> trailer.
> I used to have a little Toyota 4wd pickup for the occasional hauling of
> something, but I finally figured out that it just didn't make sense.
> Between the registration, inspection, insurance and general upkeep, it
> was
> costing a good chunk of change for the handful of times we used it a
> year.
> I've since just got a little 4x8 trailer with side racks.  That works
> for
> hauling mulch or the flail mower or barrels or trash or whatnot.
> It works fine behind my 83' 300D, and either of my 97' Subaru Imprezas.
> Not
> sure how rough the terrain is to your campsite, but if you don't need
> more
> than about 5 inches of ground clearance a Subaru would probably work
> for you
> there as well.
>
> I live like 40 miles from where I work, but generally I'm only over
> here 4
> days a week and my parents live about 8 miles from work.  So lately
> I've
> been staying here for the 3 nights.  It's a bit cold here in upstate NY
> this
> time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions, but come summer I
> think
> I'm going to try my electric bike.  You can still pedal, but if you
> want to
> go faster or need some help up a hill you can kick in the electric.
> The
> problem where I live is the hills.  If I lived on flat land I'd be on
> the
> bike no question.  It can be done with a regular bicycle, but it takes
> some
> time and effort.  I'm hoping the electric bike won't run out of juice
> up the
> hill.  But I have about 600-800 feet to climb from work back up to my
> parents.  And of course there's valleys in the way depending on which
> way I
> go, so more hills.
>
> I agree, I'd love an electric or otherwise more efficient vehicle.  I'm
> just
> trying to use my 83' 300D on oil during the summer season.  Once I get
> that
> figured out I might try it in the winter...  (:
>
> Levi
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

[Curt Raymond]

Hi Levi,
   
  I wonder if one of the electric bike add-ons would work for my wife? Its her 
need to walk those stupid dogs that keeps her from just using her bike full 
time. Theres nowhere to shower at work so she'd end up being all sweaty in the 
afternoon.
  I commute 40 miles a day and we have adverse weather here in New England 
(plenty of ice this year) and I've never had a problem with my 240D. The 190D 
should cut my fuel usage by 1/3.
  As for camp, its 3/4 of a mile of pretty rough road, a Subaru might cut it 
but spending $20,000 on a new car just doesn't make any sense. I can buy a 
tremendous amount of gas for that money. A Colorado pickup is only going to 
$16k or so, the extra money to get into the Subaru doesn't make any sense for 
the small amount of gas saved. If you go over to fueleconomy.gov and compare 
the small engine manual shift for each the Subaru is 4mpg better, which breaks 
down to only $269 a year more for the pickup
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:30:39 -0500
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Sounds like you could probably do most of your work with just a car and
trailer.
I used to have a little Toyota 4wd pickup for the occasional hauling of
something, but I finally figured out that it just didn't make sense.
Between the registration, inspection, insurance and general upkeep, it 
was
costing a good chunk of change for the handful of times we used it a 
year.
I've since just got a little 4x8 trailer with side racks.  That works 
for
hauling mulch or the flail mower or barrels or trash or whatnot.
It works fine behind my 83' 300D, and either of my 97' Subaru Imprezas.  
Not
sure how rough the terrain is to your campsite, but if you don't need 
more
than about 5 inches of ground clearance a Subaru would probably work 
for you
there as well.

I live like 40 miles from where I work, but generally I'm only over 
here 4
days a week and my parents live about 8 miles from work.  So lately 
I've
been staying here for the 3 nights.  It's a bit cold here in upstate NY 
this
time of year and sometimes adverse road conditions, but come summer I 
think
I'm going to try my electric bike.  You can still pedal, but if you 
want to
go faster or need some help up a hill you can kick in the electric.  
The
problem where I live is the hills.  If I lived on flat land I'd be on 
the
bike no question.  It can be done with a regular bicycle, but it takes 
some
time and effort.  I'm hoping the electric bike won't run out of juice 
up the
hill.  But I have about 600-800 feet to climb from work back up to my
parents.  And of course there's valleys in the way depending on which 
way I
go, so more hills.

I agree, I'd love an electric or otherwise more efficient vehicle.  I'm 
just
trying to use my 83' 300D on oil during the summer season.  Once I get 
that
figured out I might try it in the winter...  (:

Levi



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Re: [MBZ] power windows fail - coinsidence?

[John Berryman]

On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote:

Is it just a coincidence that both, the R/F and L/R window motors went 
south

at the same time or could there be an underlying problem.
First I suspected a bad fuse since these windows are on the same 
circuit,

but that all checked good. Traced it down to a bad motor at
R/F
and blamed the L/R on a bad switch in the door. The plastic housing had
buckled and didn't keep the rocker in place.
A new motor fixed the front door. Just now I got a new swith for the 
rear
(Oh, procrastination is so sweet) and it is now evident that the motor 
is

out.



	I would call it coincidence if the RF now works and LR doesn't. I'd 
look at (change) the fuse anyway and look into the feed for that 
circuit. Connections often get hot enough to melt plastic connectors 
and deform the metal contact area.
	Have you hooked an external power source (jump box, spare battery or 
DC power supply) directly to the motor leads?


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] best way to clean MB-Tex?

[Sunil Hari]

I'm picking up my "new" 300D tomorrow - what's the best way to clean
MB-Tex?  After 280Kmi, they don't look as good as they should.

Also, anyone know of a way to fix a missing patch of Tex?  It's small, but
annoying.

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[MBZ] CL Diesel 'Burb In Milwakee

[Rick Knoble]

http://milwaukee.craigslist.org/car/130886345.html

No affiliation, ect.
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
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Is it just a coincidence that both, the R/F and L/R window motors went south
at the same time or could there be an underlying problem.
First I suspected a bad fuse since these windows are on the same circuit,
but that all checked good. Traced it down to a bad motor at
R/F
and blamed the L/R on a bad switch in the door. The plastic housing had
buckled and didn't keep the rocker in place.
A new motor fixed the front door. Just now I got a new swith for the rear
(Oh, procrastination is so sweet) and it is now evident that the motor is
out.

--
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'82 300SD, '95 E300D

Re: [MBZ] OT: Smoky VW diesel when cold

[Curt Raymond]

Hey Johnny,
   
  Have you ever tried the Powerservice 911, the stuff in the red bottle? It 
purports "Reliquefies gelled fuel in minutes - no tow truck needed " I'm 
curious how that would work, like if you've got gelled fuel in the filter how 
does the stuff get there?
  They've got a great animation on their website www.powerservice.com that 
shows a test tube demo but its not like you can pick up and shake your car...
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:29:19 -0500
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   I've had trouble with sitting cars starting in dead cold when they 
were last fueled prior to winterized fuel season. I let a couple of 
cars wait until spring before starting them one year.


Johnny B.
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On Friday, February 3, 2006, at 10:04 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

> Hey Johnny,
>
>   Have you ever tried the Powerservice 911, the stuff in the red 
> bottle? It purports "Reliquefies gelled fuel in minutes - no tow truck 
> needed " I'm curious how that would work, like if you've got gelled 
> fuel in the filter how does the stuff get there?
>   They've got a great animation on their website www.powerservice.com 
> that shows a test tube demo but its not like you can pick up and shake 
> your car...
>
>   -Curt
>

I've used it for algae/h2o but without enough heat the fuel will not 
flow, so the cure can't get to the problem.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] Drain exits

[BillR]

Bruce - You have that wrong.  SD's and SDL's have 'sunrooms'.  CD's just
have holes in the roof.
BillR
Jacksonville FL
1981 300SD  EM  271k 

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Where are the sunroom drain exits for the 85 300CD?
  
  Many thanks,
   
  


Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 240kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 202kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'
73 220D 'It'

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty W126

[Rusty Cullens]

Just being a GREAT guy.

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SO Rusty  --  are you being the great guy we all konw you are, OR are
you telling us in a subtle way that you're clearing the stock of old
parts for these obsolete cars, and we're the only market?   ;-)

Why didn't I read the list mail BEFORE I called in an order this
morning?


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'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
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'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

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Re: [MBZ] Rusty W126

[Rusty Cullens]

Your welcome.

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Rusty,
Thanks for the great deal on the shocks for my SDL, you beat everyone
else I price checked by a large margin.


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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Loren Faeth]

Heet never left the marketplace because another company bought the name and 
perhaps the formulation(s) and perhaps other assets of the DeMert Company.




At 07:30 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote:

If Heet went belly up, why can I still buy Heet products?

~
~The company that made Heet went belly up about 20 years ago.  There have
~been different formulations over the years and some are methanol and others
~were ethanol or blends.
~
~I also remember when the station in town had a drum of alcohol to put in
~the radiator for the oldtimers who didn't believe in Prestone  or Zerex
~
~We had a neighbor who drive his Model T until he died.
~



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'82 300CD (158,222 kmi)
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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

[L. Mark Finch]

Here's a relevant passage from an article in the current New Yorker:

Every working day, we borrow more than three billion dollars from  
foreigners, notably the central banks of China and other Asian  
nations, in order to pay our import bills and keep our interest  
rates low. Nouriel Roubini, an economist at New York University,  
calls this “vender financing.” The Chinese lend us cash; we buy  
their goods. ( http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/ 
060206ta_talk_cassidy )


Someone else on the board suggested that all we need to do is wait  
out the economic storm and export our culture, because after the  
workforces of nations with developing economies achieve the same  
lifestyle as the workforces of first-world countries we'll be able to  
compete again. That may well be true, but I sure don't expect to live  
long enough to find out -- there are more than 2.3 billion people in  
China and India alone, and plenty more in the rest of the world. And  
if we visualize money as a liquid asset, we can expect that, like  
water, incomes will seek their own level in a globalized economy.  
That will be good for workers in countries where the average wage is  
currently $2,000 per year, but a disaster for those who are currently  
earning an average of $35,000 per year.


And Bush's concern about oil? That was just SOTU happy talk -- the  
very next day his energy secretary and national economic adviser said  
that he didn't mean it. (And heaven forbid that the concept of  
confronting the problem of a dwindling resource by consuming less  
would ever be floated as part of a solution!)


My conservative parents learned the value of conservation during the  
Depression and WW II; those lessons have been ignored for too long,  
at our peril.


Yeah, I'm a worried, simple fella too.


On Feb 2, 2006, at 3:35 PM, Gary Hurst wrote:

how does an economy that makes nothing survive?  I'm a simple fella  
and that

question has me worried


On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




I think the race is on.  Will China end up owning the rest of the  
world,

or
will Wally mart own China?


At 12:24 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Put in your bid now. We might  
get sold

to China as they will soon have all
the money anyway.

Randy B in Canada

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

thats a good point

lee wrote:

Another scenario is that skyrocketing fuel costs will eventually make it less 
attractive to have things made in China and shipped over here, as the high 
shipping costs will offset the cheapness of the labor.


Lee

On Thursday 02 February 2006 6:24, Jim Cathey wrote:


how does an economy that makes nothing survive?  I'm a simple fella
and that
question has me worried


You weather the storm until there are no more 'grass hut' economies.
If we do our part, churning out popular culture that gets exported
to everywhere, pretty soon everywhere will be like us.  Then there's
no problem anymore, and the transportation and language issues can
again drive production back home.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

[lee]

Another scenario is that skyrocketing fuel costs will eventually make it less 
attractive to have things made in China and shipped over here, as the high 
shipping costs will offset the cheapness of the labor.

Lee

On Thursday 02 February 2006 6:24, Jim Cathey wrote:
> > how does an economy that makes nothing survive?  I'm a simple fella
> > and that
> > question has me worried
>
> You weather the storm until there are no more 'grass hut' economies.
> If we do our part, churning out popular culture that gets exported
> to everywhere, pretty soon everywhere will be like us.  Then there's
> no problem anymore, and the transportation and language issues can
> again drive production back home.
>
> -- Jim
>
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[MBZ] Ethanol

[Roger Conlon]

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The company that made Heet went belly up about 20 years ago.  There have
been different formulations over the years and some are methanol and others
were ethanol or blends.

I also remember when the station in town had a drum of alcohol to put in
the radiator for the oldtimers who didn't believe in Prestone  or Zerex

We had a neighbor who drive his Model T until he died.

At 08:45 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:
>I think HEET is Methanol or Isopropanol, not Ethanol.
>
>On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Here Here!   3 Cheers for LT Don!
>
> > Does anyone remember HEET?  We used to dump cans of HEET in our tanks
> in the
> > winter to prevent the water in gasoline from freezing.  HEET was ethyl
> > alcohol.
> >
>
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>'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
>'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
>'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
>
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The last two bottles of HEET I bought, the main ingredient was methanol.
I didn't put in my radiator, but I did put it in my windshield washer fluid 
tank :)


Roger

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Re: [MBZ] more 7

[LT Don]

Trained seals.

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> On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:09:15 -0500 "Rusty Cullens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
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>
> Rusty,
>
> What kind of seals are these?
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] OT - UK metric?

[Potter, Tom E]

I assume this is correct information:

http://lamar.colostate.edu/~hillger/internat.htm 

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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:10:33 -0500 "wilton strickland"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Has UK gone metric?

Uh ... yes ... many years ago.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Luther Gulseth]

If Heet went belly up, why can I still buy Heet products?

~
~The company that made Heet went belly up about 20 years ago.  There have 
~been different formulations over the years and some are methanol and others 
~were ethanol or blends.
~
~I also remember when the station in town had a drum of alcohol to put in 
~the radiator for the oldtimers who didn't believe in Prestone  or Zerex
~
~We had a neighbor who drive his Model T until he died.
~



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Re: [MBZ] Engine Wanted 1981 380SEL

[MICHAEL ESH]

Thank you Kaleb!  How would you like me to contact you regarding price and 
shipping?


Trampas, Thanks, I will be calling them today.

Mike in Michigan

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I have a euro 380 engine.

MICHAEL ESH wrote:

Anybody have any suggestions or leads? I am looking to purchase a good 
used engine for my 1981 380SEL.  I am in Western Lower  Michigan.


Thanks,
Mike
1973 220D
1981 300SEL
1981 300 SD
1982 300 TD Wagon
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Re: [MBZ] MB EPC ON LINE

[Tom Scordato]

Chuck said
"Thanks for clarifying my faux pax..."

Chuck do no mention it.

Brain farting is something I am very good at.  I also suffer from CRS 
(cannot remember Sh*&^)


Regards Tom Scordato
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Yeah Tom...

Had lunch w/Jim Friesen today and he pointed it out to me too.
That's a mea culpa!..  Just one of those "brain farts" that
happen now and then  I'm old enough to get a free ride or
two ..  Or maybe it's just the result of driving the 16V and not
the Queen, my 300SD.

Thanks for clarifying my faux pax...

Take care,

Chuck
On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Tom Scordato wrote:


Chuck thanks just a quick clarification:  EPC stands for electric
parts
catalog, or a fancy black "parts picture book" which gives MB part
numbers.

What Marshall posted is the Mercedes Benz manuals.

Regards Tom Scordato
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Hi all,

Marshall Booth posted this site for EPC's a week or so ago...

Give it a try:http://mb.braingears.com/  and pick your
model...

I've only gone to a few of the models, but it looks pretty
complete..  And they're looking for somebody who could mirror
this site.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1986 190E 2.3 16V
1980 300SD
On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote:


Most of the files in the 126 section lead to dead links, if you can
find
the same engine in one of the other chassis categories you may have
better luck.

--Robert




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[MBZ] In the news

[Peter T . Arnold]

Interesting article here on new Benz Diesel.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Followup/articleId=102283

Pete

Re: [MBZ] W's Concern about Oil

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:51:49 -0500 "James Jetton"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I remember in high school we had gas wars in South Texas, lowest I saw
> was 23.9.  Everybody would throw in a dollar for gas and you could
> cruise all night. Of course, minimum wage was only .90 an hour.

Cheapest I ever bought diesel was in late '72 in Wyoming 18.9/gallon.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] W's Concern about Oil

[James Jetton]

I remember in high school we had gas wars in South Texas, lowest I saw was 
23.9.  Everybody would throw in a dollar for gas and you could cruise all 
night. Of course, minimum wage was only .90 an hour.


James Jetton
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On Thursday, February 2, 2006, at 08:56 PM, Chuck Landenberger wrote:

> Johnny,
>
>  From Bob Nitske's book:
>
> 1983 190D 2.2 (on East Coast) $23,510
> 1985 190D 2.2 (on West Coast) $23,810
> 1986 190D 2.5 (on East Coast) $23,700
> 1987 190D 2.5 Turbo (on East Coast)   $29,800
>
> 1985 190D 2.5 in Germany  DM33,915   (you will have to 
> see what the
> DM vs $ was in '85)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Take care,
> Chuck
> 1986 190E 2.3 16V
> 1980 300SD
> On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:02 PM, John Berryman wrote:
>

Chuck,
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity.

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

[MBZ] A Phishing Expedition

[Chuck Landenberger]

 To all,

I got an email tonight from the Bank of Oklahoma that is bogus.   
They've copied all the correct logos etc...  I am not a customer  
of the bank..


DO NOT reply!  I spoke w/someone from the bank and they are aware of  
it.  The Bank website contains an explanation, but I never went  
there...


Just a heads up...

Chuck
Phoenix...

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Loren Faeth]

So what is isoproplyl alcohol and how is it made?

At 09:10 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:

Don't question your elders!

On 2/2/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BZZZTTT on myself.  You were right Don.
> Red bottle is 98% or 99% IsoPropo
> Yellow bottle is Methanol.
>

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[MBZ] Fw: Fw: Re: Fw: Fwd: Computer Worm Scheduled To Activate February 3rd

[Craig McCluskey]

The latest virus alert, with an editorial comment by my wife when I
forwarded it home.


Craig

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:48:36 -0700
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Fwd: Computer Worm Scheduled To Activate February 3rd


Hi, Hubby:

I am SO glad we don't use Windows! What a disaster this will be. Should
we forward this to people or what? I assume that wouldn't be good, but
figured I'd ask anyway. I know Bob & Janice use Windows.


On Wed, 1 Feb 2006 09:57:44 -0700 Craig McCluskey
wrote:
> Subject: Fwd: Computer Worm Scheduled To Activate February 3rd
> 
> 
> >The worm identified in the message below is scheduled to activate
> >February 3rd. Please make sure your virus definitions are up to date,
> >and perform a full virus scan of your system today. As always, do not
> >open attachments you are not expecting. 
> >
> >>== Message from CCN-5 CSIRT (Computer Security Incident Response  
> >>Team) ==
> >>
> >>Please alert all appropriate LANL computer users:
> >>
> >>The "blackmal" worm, aka "nyxem.e"  or "kama sutra" worm, spreads  
> >>primarily through email as an excutable attachment. It also
> >>attempts to spread through open shares. It has infected more than
> >>700,000 Windows computers on the Internet, according to some
> >>estimates. Infections have been verified on several LANL computer
> >>systems.
> >>
> >>Blackmal has a dangerous payload that executes on the 3rd of each  
> >>month. It deletes data files and disables security software.
> >>
> >>There is disagreement in the security community as to the extent of
> >>the threat posed by this worm. Some are hyping it the most
> >>dangerous malicious code infection of 2006. Others question the
> >>validity of the estimate of machines infected. It has generated
> >>concern because of its destructive qualities, and because it is
> >>set to execute and delete data and spread this Friday, February
> >>3rd.
> >>
> >>The LANL Computer Security Incident Response Team (CSIRT)
> >recommends that Windows users download the latest antivirus
> >>definition files and run a full system scan. It should be noted
> >>that while most computer systems have up-to-date definition
> >>files, not all systems are configured to run full scans on a
> >>routine basis. This should be completed prior to February 3rd.
> >>
> >>As a general best practice, computers should be backed up by an  
> >>automatic system such as the CCN-7 managed Tivoli Storage Manager. 
> >
> >>The CSIRT recommends that users manually backup their data before  
> >>February 3rd if they do not have automated backup configured for  
> >>their computer systems.
> >>
> >>If there are difficulties operating an antivirus application, users
> >>should contact their system administrator. This may be an indicator
> >>of infection.
> >>
> >>If you have questions or concerns, or believe a system has been  
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> >>
> >>Thank you,
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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Loren Faeth]

The company that made Heet went belly up about 20 years ago.  There have 
been different formulations over the years and some are methanol and others 
were ethanol or blends.


I also remember when the station in town had a drum of alcohol to put in 
the radiator for the oldtimers who didn't believe in Prestone  or Zerex


We had a neighbor who drive his Model T until he died.

At 08:45 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:

I think HEET is Methanol or Isopropanol, not Ethanol.

On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here Here!   3 Cheers for LT Don!

> Does anyone remember HEET?  We used to dump cans of HEET in our tanks 
in the

> winter to prevent the water in gasoline from freezing.  HEET was ethyl
> alcohol.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Drain exits

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:58:47 -0800 (PST) B Dike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Where are the sunroom drain exits for the 85 300CD?

On the back side of the fireplace ...:-)


Craig

Re: [MBZ] more 7

[Craig McCluskey]

On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:09:15 -0500 "Rusty Cullens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> W123 Front & Rear Brake Kit
> 
>  
> 
> Front Wheel Seals
> 
> Rear Wheel Seals


Rusty,

What kind of seals are these?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] MTBE

[Loren Faeth]

Went summpin like dat!

Calif was fighting to keep MTBE in gasoline and pure drinkin alcohol out of 
the gas.  Seemed pretty weird to me.


At 06:54 PM 2/2/2006, you wrote:

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>
> Surely no one who claims to be knowledgeable on oxgenated fuels would not
> know about MTBE and why Montana and Alaska prohibit it.

Didn't the state of Commiefornia require its use in gasoline, and then
sue the chemical companies which produced it and sold it to refineries
because the companies produced a chemical which was required by law?

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[MBZ] Drain exits

[B Dike]

Where are the sunroom drain exits for the 85 300CD?
  
  Many thanks,
   
  


Bruce
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:10:33 -0500 "wilton strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Has UK gone metric?

Uh ... yes ... many years ago.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] MTBE

[David Brodbeck]

Mitch Haley wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Surely no one who claims to be knowledgeable on oxgenated fuels would not
>> know about MTBE and why Montana and Alaska prohibit it.
> 
> Didn't the state of Commiefornia require its use in gasoline, and then
> sue the chemical companies which produced it and sold it to refineries
> because the companies produced a chemical which was required by law?

I think the EPA forced it on them, actually.  For a while it was the
only approved oxygenating additive.  Now a lot of places use ethanol,
but there's been strong resistance by the oil companies when places
using MTBE try to switch to it.  See, MTBE they can manufacture
themselves from byproducts; ethanol they have to buy.

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

[David Brodbeck]

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> Tom Wrote:
> 
> "Here is an interesting article on this subject:
> 
> http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/payne200602020821.asp";
> 
> The only interetsing thing I read in that article was the fact that 
> their 19th century thinking could still be published in a 21st century 
> magazine.

Still, it's nice to know Henry Payne can at least write a coherent
column.  His editorial cartoons are terrible.

At any rate, he needn't have worried.  The Bush administration is
already backtracking.  His energy secretary has already said that Bush's
call to replace "more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle
East by 2025" was "purely an example" and not to be taken literally.

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

[Mitch Haley]

OK Don wrote:
> 
> Sheesh -- there was a "gas war" bewteen two stations during my senior
> year. Dad came home and told me to go fill my tank (1951 VW). I only
> had $1.00 -- the tank wouldn't hold that much! The gas was $0.12/gal.
> I've never seen it that low since 

1986, Okemos,  Michigan. Terry Kildea buys the Amoco station across
from Randy Markham's "Randy's Mobil Mart". They got in a price war.
Nobody was allowed to undercut, or even match, Randy's price. 
I was running on empty, figured I'd buy gas from Kildea's on the
way home. When I got there, I considered myself lucky to get through
the intersection alive. Never looked at the price signs. Saw on the
news after I got home that the price had dropped to NEGATIVE five
cents or so. (they were paying you to take it). I bought gas in the
next town, paid full price. I believe it was probably around 20 cents
per gallon when I passed the madness in Okemos. I wasn't about to park
in a major road for 1/2 hour or more to save eight bucks on a tank of gas.

Re: [MBZ] MB EPC ON LINE

[Chuck Landenberger]

Yeah Tom...

Had lunch w/Jim Friesen today and he pointed it out to me too.
That's a mea culpa!..  Just one of those "brain farts" that  
happen now and then  I'm old enough to get a free ride or  
two ..  Or maybe it's just the result of driving the 16V and not  
the Queen, my 300SD.


Thanks for clarifying my faux pax...

Take care,

Chuck
On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Tom Scordato wrote:

Chuck thanks just a quick clarification:  EPC stands for electric  
parts
catalog, or a fancy black "parts picture book" which gives MB part  
numbers.


What Marshall posted is the Mercedes Benz manuals.

Regards Tom Scordato
- Original Message -
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes Discussion List"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB EPC ON LINE



Hi all,

Marshall Booth posted this site for EPC's a week or so ago...

Give it a try:http://mb.braingears.com/  and pick your  
model...


I've only gone to a few of the models, but it looks pretty
complete..  And they're looking for somebody who could mirror
this site.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1986 190E 2.3 16V
1980 300SD
On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote:


Most of the files in the 126 section lead to dead links, if you can
find
the same engine in one of the other chassis categories you may have
better luck.

--Robert




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Re: [MBZ] Rusty W126

[OK Don]

SO Rusty  --  are you being the great guy we all konw you are, OR are
you telling us in a subtle way that you're clearing the stock of old
parts for these obsolete cars, and we're the only market?   ;-)

Why didn't I read the list mail BEFORE I called in an order this morning?


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Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[OK Don]

Don't question your elders!

On 2/2/06, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> BZZZTTT on myself.  You were right Don.
> Red bottle is 98% or 99% IsoPropo
> Yellow bottle is Methanol.
>

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OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

[MBZ] ground hog cars

[redghost]

as always

use delete key as needed

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130755830.html  --  190e stick

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130716898.html  --  67 230 $3k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130709102.html  --  83 sec $2500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130705086.html  --  POS E320 $6k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130700775.html  --  62 220Sb  $500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130694025.html  --  84 TD  $1200

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130673999.html  --  84 SD $2k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130651588.html  -- Overprice CD

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130627501.html  -- Fubar 280C

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130519707.html  --  $3K SEL  86

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130600911.html  --  80 Stick 240D

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/13054.html  -- Diesel Beemer

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130597021.html  --  90 SEL

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130563347.html  --  88 TE $3k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130561023.html  --  280SEL  $1200

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130473454.html  --  91  SE  $4k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130463104.html  --  81 SE $2k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130447771.html  -- 70  280se $1k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130312860.html  --  67 250S $600

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130269376.html  --  91  190 2.6

 http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130253442.html  --  77 300d $2k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130208253.html  --  Casey car

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130184723.html  --  84 SEl $6k

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130135830.html  --  72 SEL $6500

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130134055.html  --  84 SE $1200

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/130102927.html  --  68 SE $6k

there are probably more out there but these are freshest





--
Clay
Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] W's concern abt oil

[OK Don]

Sheesh -- there was a "gas war" bewteen two stations during my senior
year. Dad came home and told me to go fill my tank (1951 VW). I only
had $1.00 -- the tank wouldn't hold that much! The gas was $0.12/gal. 
I've never seen it that low since 

On 2/2/06, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And an old man like me can remember $0.23 / gal back in high school - for my
> 1962 Corvair.
> BillR
> Jacksonville FL
> 1981 300SD  EM  271k miles


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Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Luther Gulseth]

BZZZTTT on myself.  You were right Don.
Red bottle is 98% or 99% IsoPropo
Yellow bottle is Methanol.


On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:59:15 -0600, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



BTT WRONG!
Red bottle is Ethanol, yellow bottle is Methanol.  I have both in my
posession.

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:45:02 -0600, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think HEET is Methanol or Isopropanol, not Ethanol.

On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Here Here!   3 Cheers for LT Don!



Does anyone remember HEET?  We used to dump cans of HEET in our tanks
in the
winter to prevent the water in gasoline from freezing.  HEET was ethyl
alcohol.











--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (158,xxx kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol

[Luther Gulseth]

BTT WRONG!
Red bottle is Ethanol, yellow bottle is Methanol.  I have both in my  
posession.


On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:45:02 -0600, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I think HEET is Methanol or Isopropanol, not Ethanol.

On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Here Here!   3 Cheers for LT Don!


Does anyone remember HEET?  We used to dump cans of HEET in our tanks  
in the

winter to prevent the water in gasoline from freezing.  HEET was ethyl
alcohol.







--
Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (158,xxx kmi)
'90 300E & '82 300D (parts or run?)

Re: [MBZ] MSRP for 1986 190D

[Mitch Haley]

Chuck Landenberger wrote:
> 
> 1985 190D 2.5 in Germany  DM33,915   (you will have to see what the
> DM vs $ was in '85)

I used to figure 3:1 in 1984/85. And a lot of used cars had the
same price over there as over here. Auto Motor und Sport classifieds
were great reading. A Citroen SM might run $10k or DM10k in the
mid-1980's. The $6-7000 difference in price should cover shipping
and conversion costs, but I never actually tried it. Old 911s 
were really cheap over there too. 
Even with cloth seats, no A/C or sunroof, crank windows, etc, I
would have liked to pay $12k for a new 190D 2.5 back then. 

The value of the $ went to pot in 1986, and $ to DM ratio went
closer to 2:1. In April '86, the Honda dealer I worked for sold
bikes (retail) for less than we paid for them in June '86. IIRC,
it was a relatively short period of time that the yen went from
1/200th of a dollar to 1/120th.

Re: [MBZ] Rusty W126

[James Jetton]

Rusty,
Thanks for the great deal on the shocks for my SDL, you beat everyone else I 
price checked by a large margin.


James S. Jetton
1987 300SDL 136k
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I think HEET is Methanol or Isopropanol, not Ethanol.

On 2/2/06, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here Here!   3 Cheers for LT Don!

> Does anyone remember HEET?  We used to dump cans of HEET in our tanks in =
the
> winter to prevent the water in gasoline from freezing.  HEET was ethyl
> alcohol.
>

--
OK Don, KD5NRO
Norman, OK
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] MB EPC ON LINE

[Chuck Landenberger]

Yeah Tom...

Had lunch w/Jim Friesen today and he pointed it out to me too.
That's a mea culpa!..  Just one of those "brain farts" that  
happen now and then  I'm old enough to get a free ride or  
two ..  Or maybe it's just the result of driving the 16V and not  
the Queen, my 300SD.


Thanks for clarifying my faux pax...

Take care,

Chuck
On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Tom Scordato wrote:

Chuck thanks just a quick clarification:  EPC stands for electric  
parts
catalog, or a fancy black "parts picture book" which gives MB part  
numbers.


What Marshall posted is the Mercedes Benz manuals.

Regards Tom Scordato
- Original Message -
From: "Chuck Landenberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Mercedes Discussion List"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] MB EPC ON LINE



Hi all,

Marshall Booth posted this site for EPC's a week or so ago...

Give it a try:http://mb.braingears.com/  and pick your  
model...


I've only gone to a few of the models, but it looks pretty
complete..  And they're looking for somebody who could mirror
this site.

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
1986 190E 2.3 16V
1980 300SD
On Feb 2, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Robert & Tara Ludwick wrote:


Most of the files in the 126 section lead to dead links, if you can
find
the same engine in one of the other chassis categories you may have
better luck.

--Robert




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Re: [MBZ] MSRP for 1986 190D

[Chuck Landenberger]

Johnny,

From Bob Nitske's book:

1983 190D 2.2 (on East Coast)   $23,510
1985 190D 2.2 (on West Coast)   $23,810
1986 190D 2.5 (on East Coast)   $23,700
1987 190D 2.5 Turbo (on East Coast) $29,800

1985 190D 2.5 in Germany			DM33,915   (you will have to see what the  
DM vs $ was in '85)


Hope this helps.

Take care,
Chuck
1986 190E 2.3 16V
1980 300SD
On Feb 2, 2006, at 6:02 PM, John Berryman wrote:


Anyone know what the MSRP was on 190Ds? . I'd like to see prices on
all years 1984 right on up but am particularly interested in the cost
of my 1986 190D 2.5 its a Euro grey market jammy.
Does anyone still have a window sticker?

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
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Re: [MBZ] Rear half shafts

[Rick Knoble]

By the way, the new (used) engine is reportedly in and running "well". We
should be picking 'er up in a few weeks.

Brian
83 240D
Congrats Brian. Did a postmortem ever get performed on the old engine to 
determine the cause of its demise? Just curious

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD