date:20200129

Bravo!  Did you install new rear sub-frame bushings?  How did that go?
Threaded rod and washers and socket?
-
Max
Charleston SC


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>
>
> By the way, the rear brake lines are 18" Left, and 33 " right.   I used
> 18" and 36" premade lines.   ABS, but not limited slip.
>
> The subframe is in.  Yay!
>
> I put the assembled subframe on a heavy sheet of cardboard, then slid it
> under.
>
> I made a wood platform to hold the subframe without Diff and axles that
> would balance it on the floor jack.  It worked like a charm.  I was able
> to slide the jack under the platform under the car.   I jacked the
> subframe up and into place, making a few adjustments on the way.  The
> right side was a little higher, so I started bolts on that side first,
> then went to the left side; jacked it up a couple strokes, then started
> those bolts; checked alignment; then tightened it up.
>
> I have pictures of the subframe with the platform   It worked slick as
> snot!
>
> The LCAs have new bushings in, so those and the springs are next.  I was
> going to replace the pinion seal on the diff, so I need to make some way
> to hold the axles stubs in place so I can get the yoke off to replace
> the seal.
>
> Then the axles and diff go in.
>
> Then calipers and bleeding the brakes
> hookup emergency brake
> bolt on driveshaft
> put up the back 2/3 of the exhaust
> and it should be ready!
>
> Supposed to rain all day tomorrow, so probably nothing will happen until
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

2020-01-29 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Good. Stand on principle.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
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> I could never resell that, it must go into the trash instead of destroying
> another fine MB diesel.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:30 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > what is a "veg oil conversion kit" worth to the fakebuch morons?
> >
> > > Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> > > January 29, 2020 at 7:51 AM
> > > Send me the number, I'll give them a call and offer $300 if the
> catalytic
> > > converter / muffler is any good and they have receipt for the new
> > > injectors.
> > > -
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> > > Charleston SC
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

It was a nice stainless steel tank about 18" cube with the fittings on 
it, could probably be repurposed into something else. I'm thinking a 
still...


I don't know why she would take $300 from Max when she wouldn't take 
$300 from me, maybe Max would have more charm.  I'd still have to go 
fetch it though and leave it at one of the stash houses.


I'll ping her again tomorrow about it.

--FT

On 1/29/20 9:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah, I’m all for that. Send it to the scrappers.

-D


On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
wrote:

Good. Stand on principle.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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I could never resell that, it must go into the trash instead of destroying
another fine MB diesel.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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what is a "veg oil conversion kit" worth to the fakebuch morons?


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 7:51 AM
Send me the number, I'll give them a call and offer $300 if the

catalytic

converter / muffler is any good and they have receipt for the new
injectors.
-
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[MBZ] Ran when parked


https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/perris-1993-mercedes-benz-sl-600-v12/7063130273.html

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Re: [MBZ] 99 $500E300

2020-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Is this the veggie oil car?

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Pierre Dispels Another Kent Myth

But, but... Kent has a lab coat.  Pierre doesn't!   Therefore Kent has 
to be right!  


Pierre cleans up pretty well!

Cyl leakage test, then compression test.  Then oil consumption.   I 
never had much, if any, faith in the oil cap test.   Besides, I was 
trained by the OM621 to NEVER try to run the engine with the oil filler 
cap off.    If you don't believe me, Try it yourself, looking into the 
oil filler while an accomplice starts the engine.  Please also have a 
second accomplice video the episode and send it to us!   I can't wait to 
see it!



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January 29, 2020 at 7:40 AM
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Re: [MBZ] 99 $500E300

No this is the 99 turbo I picked up Monday.  The veggie oil car is a 97 
non-turbo.


--FT

On 1/29/20 10:39 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Is this the veggie oil car?

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

Send me the number, I'll give them a call and offer $300 if the catalytic
converter / muffler is any good and they have receipt for the new
injectors.
-
Max
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> I went to look at this dead car. Looked nice except for hood clear coat
> was gone. Interior nice. I lift up the ashtray door and see this panel with
> a temp gauge and a big switch that says VEG OIL. WTF.
>
> I look in the trunk and there’s a tank and plumbing, heating lines or
> something. I ask the woman she says they added the veg oil thing in like
> 2005. Collected and filtered restaurant oil and used that. I suggested this
> was why the car was dead. She said some mech replaced the injectors but
> it’s still no go. I suggested this was why the engine was dead, maybe the
> injection pump or whatever. It's dead, Jim.
>
> I offered $300 thinking I could put the smashed car engine in this car and
> have another nice E300. It’s not a turbo and the veg stuff would have to go
> so I guess that would be some challenge.
>
> She said someone else was coming to look at it so declined my offer but
> has my info.
>
> I picked up the 99 E300 today, battery needs to be charged. Will see what
> the story is with it. I hate the white/beige.
>
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

Yeah, I’m all for that. Send it to the scrappers.

-D

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Good. Stand on principle.
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:42 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I could never resell that, it must go into the trash instead of destroying
>> another fine MB diesel.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:30 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> what is a "veg oil conversion kit" worth to the fakebuch morons?
>>> 
 Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 January 29, 2020 at 7:51 AM
 Send me the number, I'll give them a call and offer $300 if the
>> catalytic
 converter / muffler is any good and they have receipt for the new
 injectors.
 -
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 Charleston SC
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Ran when parked


Some guy on the 129 fakebook list is looking at it

--FT

On 1/29/20 10:27 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Somebody needs to get that

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https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/cto/d/perris-1993-mercedes-benz-sl-600-v12/7063130273.html

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Re: [MBZ] Pierre Dispels Another Kent Myth


They'll never believe it. They all believe they know more than pierre.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 9:20 AM
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Re: [MBZ] Pierre Dispels Another Kent Myth

There will be a great deal of teeth gnashing and clothes rending there today, 
no doubt.

Not.

-D


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> 
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

2020-01-29 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes


Ok, let's try to get it, divide up the spoils after we drag it away. I'm hoping 
the exhaust system is complete and not rusted out. May need to run the VIN to 
see if it lived in tin worm country.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 29, 2020 10:10:21 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :

> It was a nice stainless steel tank about 18" cube with the fittings on
> it, could probably be repurposed into something else. I'm thinking a
> still...
> 
> I don't know why she would take $300 from Max when she wouldn't take
> $300 from me, maybe Max would have more charm. I'd still have to go
> fetch it though and leave it at one of the stash houses.
> 
> I'll ping her again tomorrow about it.
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 1/29/20 9:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> 
> > Yeah, I’m all for that. Send it to the scrappers.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > 
> > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> > >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > Good. Stand on principle.
> > > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > > Wickford RI
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:42 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I could never resell that, it must go into the trash instead of 
> > > > destroying
> > > > another fine MB diesel.
> > > > -
> > > > Max
> > > > Charleston SC
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:30 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > what is a "veg oil conversion kit" worth to the fakebuch morons?
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> > > > > > January 29, 2020 at 7:51 AM
> > > > > > Send me the number, I'll give them a call and offer $300 if the
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > catalytic
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > converter / muffler is any good and they have receipt for the new
> > > > > > injectors.
> > > > > > -
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> > > > > > Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

That's a better idea, add that to my '95 E300 to increase range so when we
have to bug out WTSHTF, then we'll be able to get deep into 'Merica.
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> or you could use the tank for emergency fuel (for car or generator)  or
> to extend range of a diesel.
>
> I have a 30 gal Diesel tank out back I keep for hurricane fuel. (or
> other emergencies)
>
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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[MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

Will the price at the pump go down?

ENERGY MARKETSCoronavirus lockdown is even more bad news for dieselPublished:
Wednesday, January 29, 2020

Add a severe global pathogen to the list of bad news for diesel.

Two metrics for the industrial fuel that traders watch closely — its
premium against crude, and a gauge of supply and demand — have collapsed
this year. For the most part, the rout has been about weaker-than-expected
buying from the shipping industry and a mild winter. The novel coronavirus
in China, though, has exacerbated the slide because it's meant a clampdown
on travel that's negative for fuel demand, and a weakening of investor
sentiment across assets.

The lockdown of cities in China likely means weaker demand for diesel, said
Olivier Jakob, the managing director of Petromatrix GmbH in Zug,
Switzerland. The margin, or crack, for jet fuel, has also been adversely
affected. Both fuels are known as distillates.

"The impact of coronavirus translates into global pressure on distillate
cracks and the prices," Jakob said.

Oil refiners were making $9.83 a barrel from turning crude oil into diesel
on Monday, the lowest in almost two years, ICE Futures Europe data show.
Late last year, the same spread stood at about $15. Traders are paying
about $1.75 a ton less for diesel in February than for March, compared to a
$3 premium late last year.

There's similar weakness in the jet fuel market. The two products are
closely related. Profits for producing jet fuel in Asia fell to the lowest
in nearly four years after a spate of travel restrictions and flight
cancellations.

"Slowing air traffic has clearly dented Chinese jet fuel demand over recent
days," RBC Capital Markets analysts including Michael Tran said in a Jan.
27 research note. Jet fuel has been the firmest part of China's oil demand
growth in recent years, averaging about 11% a year, according to Tran.

The fuels are getting hit across the globe. Diesel margins in New York sank
to an 18-month low Monday, with concerns about the virus exacerbating the
impact of a mild winter that already curtailed demand.

"There's very little good news when it comes to the middle distillate part
of the barrel," said Steve Sawyer, director of refining at FGE, an energy
consultancy.

Looking forward, planned work at refineries in the Middle East — a region
that sends a lot of middle distillate to Europe — should provide some
support, he said. That will be followed by seasonal maintenance in the U.S.
and Europe. *— Jack Wittels, Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

2020-01-29 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

I'd forgotten about the time I had a Passat which I thought was a Jetta...
Curt

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  On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes wrote:   I flew into Dulles one night late and 
picked up a white Taurus rental, 
drove to the hotel at like midnight and parked it and paid no attention 
to it.  Come out the next morning and there were like 15 white Ford 
Tauri in the parking lot...  I finally found it by looking at license 
plates, the number for which was on the key tag.

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> When I travel I usually aim to get a Kia Soul not because its a great car, 
> its not, but because they come in bright colors. Nothing is worse than a 
> silver Camry, I've lost several of them and had to use the key fob emergency 
> button to find the car.
> -Curt

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That has to be a big disappointment to the 123 kids

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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

or you could use the tank for emergency fuel (for car or generator)  or 
to extend range of a diesel.


I have a 30 gal Diesel tank out back I keep for hurricane fuel. (or 
other emergencies)



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 8:41 AM
I could never resell that, it must go into the trash instead of destroying
another fine MB diesel.
-
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[MBZ] Pierre Dispels Another Kent Myth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzQMm33kndI=IwAR0DDbig-CHfonN_wgHKahqVr1Ktqr9RhNoJ44huRdtKUd39wmaeez63pTU

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Re: [MBZ] 124 rear subframe

I'd never think of having a 124 rear subframe out and not install new 
subframe bushings.   I just took it out to Eddies and let them press the 
old out and new in.


The first time I  worked on a 124 rear suspension, it was squirrelly.  I 
replaced the bad links.   Still squirrelly.   After a while, I replaced 
all the links and the wheel carrier bushings.   Still squirrelly. Then i 
changed the subframe mounts.   what a difference!   Since then I change 
the subframe mounts, then worry about the rest.  but the other times 
I've done it one side at a time without taking the subframe out.    A 
good 124 is like riding on rails.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 7:49 AM
Bravo! Did you install new rear sub-frame bushings? How did that go?
Threaded rod and washers and socket?
-
Max
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

I could never resell that, it must go into the trash instead of destroying
another fine MB diesel.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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> what is a "veg oil conversion kit" worth to the fakebuch morons?
>
> > Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> > January 29, 2020 at 7:51 AM
> > Send me the number, I'll give them a call and offer $300 if the catalytic
> > converter / muffler is any good and they have receipt for the new
> > injectors.
> > -
> > Max
> > Charleston SC
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

She told me they did the conversion out west somewhere, Oregon or 
Washington if I recall.  No rust on it, body was good, interior was good 
though it had sheepskins on the front seats so I didn't pull those 
back.  It really just needs and engine transplant and be good to go 
after removing all the veggie nonsense.  This is not a turbo engine.


She had a new front bumper in the garage too she was gonna throw in.  I 
could use that on the smashed $500E300.  Hubbie packed on her and moved 
to Arkiesaw and took the title which he can't find now.  Her boy at CCU 
had the key for some reason and she texted him to send it back.  Would 
need that to move it, it's in one of those new Nexton vinyl villages 
with an alley in back of the house/garage.


--FT

On 1/29/20 10:15 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Ok, let's try to get it, divide up the spoils after we drag it away. I'm hoping 
the exhaust system is complete and not rusted out. May need to run the VIN to 
see if it lived in tin worm country.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Jan 29, 2020 10:10:21 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes :


It was a nice stainless steel tank about 18" cube with the fittings on
it, could probably be repurposed into something else. I'm thinking a
still...

I don't know why she would take $300 from Max when she wouldn't take
$300 from me, maybe Max would have more charm. I'd still have to go
fetch it though and leave it at one of the stash houses.

I'll ping her again tomorrow about it.

--FT

On 1/29/20 9:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:


Yeah, I’m all for that. Send it to the scrappers.

-D



On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:42 AM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes  
wrote:

Good. Stand on principle.
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



I could never resell that, it must go into the trash instead of destroying
another fine MB diesel.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:



what is a "veg oil conversion kit" worth to the fakebuch morons?



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 7:51 AM
Send me the number, I'll give them a call and offer $300 if the


catalytic


converter / muffler is any good and they have receipt for the new
injectors.
-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300


what is a "veg oil conversion kit" worth to the fakebuch morons?


Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 7:51 AM
Send me the number, I'll give them a call and offer $300 if the catalytic
converter / muffler is any good and they have receipt for the new
injectors.
-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] Ran when parked

Somebody needs to get that 

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> 
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

I flew into Dulles one night late and picked up a white Taurus rental, 
drove to the hotel at like midnight and parked it and paid no attention 
to it.  Come out the next morning and there were like 15 white Ford 
Tauri in the parking lot...  I finally found it by looking at license 
plates, the number for which was on the key tag.


--FT

On 1/28/20 8:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

When I travel I usually aim to get a Kia Soul not because its a great car, its 
not, but because they come in bright colors. Nothing is worse than a silver 
Camry, I've lost several of them and had to use the key fob emergency button to 
find the car.
-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Pierre Dispels Another Kent Myth


I love that guy at 5:55

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On 1/29/20 10:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

That has to be a big disappointment to the 123 kids

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Re: [MBZ] Ran when parked

Worth it for the wheels. Not sure I would want a 1992 R129, so many, many 
issues.

-D


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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

2020-01-29 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

The Classic Mercedes era ended and was replaced with the "Vanilla Era
Mercedes" the slide to Full Vanilla took about 4 model years, during
which, electronic nannies prevailed to the point replacement parts are not
supported for the average wallet, or for any wallet..
Personal outlook for the "Vanilla Era Mercedes" is that resale wil

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:25 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> Well I actually think you might be right
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I don’t think the W124 cabrios will ever attain significant values. There
> > aren’t that many of them and they’re sort of weird as far as styling and
> > looks. I’m not criticizing, I just don’t think they’re unique or good
> > looking enough to ever command big bucks.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > After the 123's peak, then 124's will go up-but I don't think they are
> as
> > > classi c in styleas the 123's.
> > > YMMV
> > > I have had bothand my 124 was the best car I ever owned.
> > > Dwight
> > > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > > Wickford RI
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:09 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K.  This
> depreciation
> > is
> > >> shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold
> their
> > >> value".  Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
> > >> decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...
> > >>
> > >> When will the curve flatten and head back up?  Will this non-classic
> > >> designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price?  Will
> > >> silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

Not until I turned 59-1/2. At least not without a penalty.

There are a lot of things I do that I could afford to pay someone else to do, 
however, I enjoy the work and prefer to maintain my resources for some other 
use.

-D

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> 
> In other words you could have afforded a "professional" to restore your 
> finnie. 
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> No. I started buying in the early 90s. I think it was in the high teens when 
>> I started. It’s split at least three times since then, too (2/1, 2/1, 7/1) I 
>> think. When it was in the dumper in the early 2000s I vacuumed up all I 
>> could afford.
>> 
>> I also did it all in IRAs or similar instruments, so I won’t get dinged on 
>> capital gains as I cash out, but I will be paying taxes on it at a higher 
>> rate than at the time I acquired a lot of it. Meh.
>> 
>> A $100 investment in AAPL in the early 2000s would net about 130%-140% gain 
>> today in round numbers, I believe.
>> 
>> As I like to say, “Thank you, Steve!”
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Are you an original shareholder at $1.00?
>> > 
>> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:35 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> > I was a bit concerned with the markets on Monday, but that seems to have 
>> > evaporated. Especially with Apple’s record earnings statement yesterday. 
>> > They’re only up $9/share so far today.
>> > 
>> > -D
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > Anyone else enjoying the fallout from coronavirus?
>> > > 
>> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> > > 
>> > >> I paid $1.99 for diesel just a couple days ago.  That was nice, ~20.5
>> > >> gallons into my '95 E300.
>> > >> -
>> > >> Max
>> > >> Charleston SC
>> > >> 
>> > >> 
>> > >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>> > >> 
>> > >>> Will the price at the pump go down?
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> ENERGY MARKETSCoronavirus lockdown is even more bad news for
>> > >>> dieselPublished:
>> > >>> Wednesday, January 29, 2020
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> Add a severe global pathogen to the list of bad news for diesel.
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> Two metrics for the industrial fuel that traders watch closely — its
>> > >>> premium against crude, and a gauge of supply and demand — have 
>> > >>> collapsed
>> > >>> this year. For the most part, the rout has been about
>> > >> weaker-than-expected
>> > >>> buying from the shipping industry and a mild winter. The novel
>> > >> coronavirus
>> > >>> in China, though, has exacerbated the slide because it's meant a
>> > >> clampdown
>> > >>> on travel that's negative for fuel demand, and a weakening of investor
>> > >>> sentiment across assets.
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> The lockdown of cities in China likely means weaker demand for diesel,
>> > >> said
>> > >>> Olivier Jakob, the managing director of Petromatrix GmbH in Zug,
>> > >>> Switzerland. The margin, or crack, for jet fuel, has also been 
>> > >>> adversely
>> > >>> affected. Both fuels are known as distillates.
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> "The impact of coronavirus translates into global pressure on 
>> > >>> distillate
>> > >>> cracks and the prices," Jakob said.
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> Oil refiners were making $9.83 a barrel from turning crude oil into
>> > >> diesel
>> > >>> on Monday, the lowest in almost two years, ICE Futures Europe data 
>> > >>> show.
>> > >>> Late last year, the same spread stood at about $15. Traders are paying
>> > >>> about $1.75 a ton less for diesel in February than for March, compared
>> > >> to a
>> > >>> $3 premium late last year.
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> There's similar weakness in the jet fuel market. The two products are
>> > >>> closely related. Profits for producing jet fuel in Asia fell to the
>> > >> lowest
>> > >>> in nearly four years after a spate of travel restrictions and flight
>> > >>> cancellations.
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> "Slowing air traffic has clearly dented Chinese jet fuel demand over
>> > >> recent
>> > >>> days," RBC Capital Markets analysts including Michael Tran said in a 
>> > >>> Jan.
>> > >>> 27 research note. Jet fuel has been the firmest part of China's oil
>> > >> demand
>> > >>> growth in recent years, averaging about 11% a year, according to Tran.
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> The fuels are getting hit across the globe. Diesel margins in New York
>> > >> sank
>> > >>> to an 18-month low Monday, with concerns about the virus exacerbating 
>> > >>> the
>> > >>> impact of a mild winter that already curtailed demand.
>> > >>> 
>> > >>> "There's very little good news when it comes to the middle distillate
>> > >> part
>> > >>> of the

Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

What's a CDL truck, Rick?

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 1:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Rick,
>
> I’m curious - is there more of a market for the type as just lead scrap or
> as type?
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon
> via Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> > Folks
> >
> > Last Thursday night I rented a Penske 2015 Freightliner 26 foot straight
> truck.  I was going to rent the same truck from Enterprise, cheaper I
> think, but they wouldn’t take my paypal MasterCard also debit card (or
> cash)! So I went to Penske.
> >
> > So I loaded up my dog, Precious and a bunch of equipment moving crap and
> a coffee camp stove and a cot and sleeping bag.
> >
> > We drove up to Charlotte, NC and got there about 1 am.  It was a pretty
> nice truck with air brakes and 225k miles which seemed a lot for 5 years
> old. It drove like a new truck and was really not all that noisy. The radio
> barely worked.
> >
> > We camped in the 37f and stayed warm with the help of some moving
> blankets on top of the sleeping bag.
> >
> > After our coffee, we loaded about 5 letterpresses and an Elrod machine
> and probably 1000 lbs of lead  $2 a lb for bullets or type. And some
> type.  I guess we had probably had close to 10k load.
> >
> > We also stopped at ft mill, SC and looked at some more junk which I will
> probably get too.
> >
> > On the way home to Tybee, Friday night we stopped south of Columbia and
> bought a ton of diesel for $1.68/ gal.  That freightliner takes about a
> gallon every 8 or 9 miles.
> >
> > I was surprised to get that truck as a non CDL renter. Due to the air
> brakes I think it is a CDL truck. I let my CDL lapse years ago when they
> started requiring medical etc ... I shouldn’t have.
> >
> > I only saw one weigh station which was closed. I 95 north of Savannah,
> northbound REALLY SUCKS  it is horribly rough in the right lane ... I
> did some left lane riding just to keep some teeth.
> >
> > If you want to see photos and folly come of my crazy, you can see at
> Instagram where I am printerrickthe or on Facebook
> >
> > Xx rick hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

Is this a true statement:  "under the hood is the 3.2 Liter inline
6-cylinder that is one of the longest lasting engines Mercedes Benz ever
built."

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:22 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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> well, from 1970 or before, until about 20 years ago when the 240D and
> 123 300Ds started to age out, ANY running Mercedes Diesel that was not
> rusted away or crunched was worth at least $5000 on the private sale
> market.The glut of 81-84 Diesels, purchased after the second "oel
> crisis" came on the market about 2000.I paid $5k for the 81 in late
> 98.  Had I waited a year or 2, I could have bought one for $1500...
> The glut is gone now.   Unfortunately cars produced 15-20 years ago are
> electronic toys, and because of the unavailability and high cost of
> electronics, these cars will never be valuable after they leave the
> stealer lot.
>
> In 1972, I paid $4000 for the 200D, and thought i had a real deal.
> Turned out I overpaid, but that's another story.
>
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > January 29, 2020 at 10:08 AM
> > Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K. This depreciation is
> > shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold their
> > value". Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
> > decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...
> >
> > When will the curve flatten and head back up? Will this non-classic
> > designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price? Will
> > silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

I don’t think the W124 cabrios will ever attain significant values. There 
aren’t that many of them and they’re sort of weird as far as styling and looks. 
I’m not criticizing, I just don’t think they’re unique or good looking enough 
to ever command big bucks.

-D


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>  wrote:
> 
> After the 123's peak, then 124's will go up-but I don't think they are as
> classi c in styleas the 123's.
> YMMV
> I have had bothand my 124 was the best car I ever owned.
> Dwight
> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:09 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K.  This depreciation is
>> shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold their
>> value".  Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
>> decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...
>> 
>> When will the curve flatten and head back up?  Will this non-classic
>> designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price?  Will
>> silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

That's why I like my Roth IRA. I can take the money out anytime without any
capital gains taxes.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 1:23 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Not until I turned 59-1/2. At least not without a penalty.
>
> There are a lot of things I do that I could afford to pay someone else to
> do, however, I enjoy the work and prefer to maintain my resources for some
> other use.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > In other words you could have afforded a "professional" to restore your
> finnie.
> >
> >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> No. I started buying in the early 90s. I think it was in the high teens
> when I started. It’s split at least three times since then, too (2/1, 2/1,
> 7/1) I think. When it was in the dumper in the early 2000s I vacuumed up
> all I could afford.
> >>
> >> I also did it all in IRAs or similar instruments, so I won’t get dinged
> on capital gains as I cash out, but I will be paying taxes on it at a
> higher rate than at the time I acquired a lot of it. Meh.
> >>
> >> A $100 investment in AAPL in the early 2000s would net about 130%-140%
> gain today in round numbers, I believe.
> >>
> >> As I like to say, “Thank you, Steve!”
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <
> astrasfo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Are you an original shareholder at $1.00?
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:35 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >> > I was a bit concerned with the markets on Monday, but that seems to
> have evaporated. Especially with Apple’s record earnings statement
> yesterday. They’re only up $9/share so far today.
> >> >
> >> > -D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Anyone else enjoying the fallout from coronavirus?
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> I paid $1.99 for diesel just a couple days ago.  That was nice,
> ~20.5
> >> > >> gallons into my '95 E300.
> >> > >> -
> >> > >> Max
> >> > >> Charleston SC
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> Will the price at the pump go down?
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> ENERGY MARKETSCoronavirus lockdown is even more bad news for
> >> > >>> dieselPublished:
> >> > >>> Wednesday, January 29, 2020
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Add a severe global pathogen to the list of bad news for diesel.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Two metrics for the industrial fuel that traders watch closely —
> its
> >> > >>> premium against crude, and a gauge of supply and demand — have
> collapsed
> >> > >>> this year. For the most part, the rout has been about
> >> > >> weaker-than-expected
> >> > >>> buying from the shipping industry and a mild winter. The novel
> >> > >> coronavirus
> >> > >>> in China, though, has exacerbated the slide because it's meant a
> >> > >> clampdown
> >> > >>> on travel that's negative for fuel demand, and a weakening of
> investor
> >> > >>> sentiment across assets.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> The lockdown of cities in China likely means weaker demand for
> diesel,
> >> > >> said
> >> > >>> Olivier Jakob, the managing director of Petromatrix GmbH in Zug,
> >> > >>> Switzerland. The margin, or crack, for jet fuel, has also been
> adversely
> >> > >>> affected. Both fuels are known as distillates.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> "The impact of coronavirus translates into global pressure on
> distillate
> >> > >>> cracks and the prices," Jakob said.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> Oil refiners were making $9.83 a barrel from turning crude oil
> into
> >> > >> diesel
> >> > >>> on Monday, the lowest in almost two years, ICE Futures Europe
> data show.
> >> > >>> Late last year, the same spread stood at about $15. Traders are
> paying
> >> > >>> about $1.75 a ton less for diesel in February than for March,
> compared
> >> > >> to a
> >> > >>> $3 premium late last year.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> There's similar weakness in the jet fuel market. The two products
> are
> >> > >>> closely related. Profits for producing jet fuel in Asia fell to
> the
> >> > >> lowest
> >> > >>> in nearly four years after a spate of travel restrictions and
> flight
> >> > >>> cancellations.
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> "Slowing air traffic has clearly dented Chinese jet fuel demand
> over
> >> > >> recent
> >> > >>> days," RBC Capital Markets analysts including Michael Tran said
> in a Jan.
> >> > >>> 27 research note. Jet fuel has been the firmest part of China's
> oil
> >> > >> demand
> >> > >>> growth in recent years, averaging about 11% a year, according to
> Tran.
>

Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel


Lyme Disease!!!

--FT

On 1/29/20 2:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

A lime? That’s what I thought when I first heard about it…

-D



On Jan 29, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

What goes best with Coronavirus?

--FT

On 1/29/20 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Will the price at the pump go down?

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[MBZ] SPAM RE: Corona Virus and the price of diesel

2020-01-29 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

Type has high levels of antimony and tin, which makes it more valuable to 
bullet casters, since those are more expensive elements and are needed for 
achieving an alloy of correct hardness for modern firearms. OTOH, pure lead is 
required for older black-powder firearms.

Greg

-Original Message-
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via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2020 10:54 AM
To: Okie Benz
Cc: Dan Penoff
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

Rick,

I’m curious - is there more of a market for the type as just lead scrap or as 
type?

-D

 
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> Last Thursday night I rented a Penske 2015 Freightliner 26 foot straight 
> truck.  I was going to rent the same truck from Enterprise, cheaper I think, 
> but they wouldn’t take my paypal MasterCard also debit card (or cash)! So I 
> went to Penske.
> 
> So I loaded up my dog, Precious and a bunch of equipment moving crap and a 
> coffee camp stove and a cot and sleeping bag. 
> 
> We drove up to Charlotte, NC and got there about 1 am.  It was a pretty nice 
> truck with air brakes and 225k miles which seemed a lot for 5 years old. It 
> drove like a new truck and was really not all that noisy. The radio barely 
> worked.
> 
> We camped in the 37f and stayed warm with the help of some moving blankets on 
> top of the sleeping bag.
> 
> After our coffee, we loaded about 5 letterpresses and an Elrod machine and 
> probably 1000 lbs of lead  $2 a lb for bullets or type. And some type.  I 
> guess we had probably had close to 10k load.
> 
> We also stopped at ft mill, SC and looked at some more junk which I will 
> probably get too.
> 
> On the way home to Tybee, Friday night we stopped south of Columbia and 
> bought a ton of diesel for $1.68/ gal.  That freightliner takes about a 
> gallon every 8 or 9 miles.
> 
> I was surprised to get that truck as a non CDL renter. Due to the air brakes 
> I think it is a CDL truck. I let my CDL lapse years ago when they started 
> requiring medical etc ... I shouldn’t have. 
> 
> I only saw one weigh station which was closed. I 95 north of Savannah, 
> northbound REALLY SUCKS  it is horribly rough in the right lane ... I did 
> some left lane riding just to keep some teeth.
> 
> If you want to see photos and folly come of my crazy, you can see at 
> Instagram where I am printerrickthe or on Facebook
> 
> Xx rick hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

“But I don’t want to go on the cart! I’m feeling better."

-D enjoying a piece of fish fit for Jehovah


> On Jan 29, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> HA HA HA!
> 
> "Bring oot yer DED!"
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 3:00 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Lyme Disease!!!
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 1/29/20 2:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> A lime? That’s what I thought when I first heard about it…
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 29, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 What goes best with Coronavirus?
 
 --FT
 
 On 1/29/20 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Will the price at the pump go down?
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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

Or this for similar money? 
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2003-mercedes-benz-brabus-clk-6-1/


On 1/29/20 11:08 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K.  This depreciation is
shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold their
value".  Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...

When will the curve flatten and head back up?  Will this non-classic
designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price?  Will
silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

I was a bit concerned with the markets on Monday, but that seems to have 
evaporated. Especially with Apple’s record earnings statement yesterday. 
They’re only up $9/share so far today.

-D




> On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else enjoying the fallout from coronavirus?
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I paid $1.99 for diesel just a couple days ago.  That was nice, ~20.5
>> gallons into my '95 E300.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Will the price at the pump go down?
>>> 
>>> ENERGY MARKETSCoronavirus lockdown is even more bad news for
>>> dieselPublished:
>>> Wednesday, January 29, 2020
>>> 
>>> Add a severe global pathogen to the list of bad news for diesel.
>>> 
>>> Two metrics for the industrial fuel that traders watch closely — its
>>> premium against crude, and a gauge of supply and demand — have collapsed
>>> this year. For the most part, the rout has been about
>> weaker-than-expected
>>> buying from the shipping industry and a mild winter. The novel
>> coronavirus
>>> in China, though, has exacerbated the slide because it's meant a
>> clampdown
>>> on travel that's negative for fuel demand, and a weakening of investor
>>> sentiment across assets.
>>> 
>>> The lockdown of cities in China likely means weaker demand for diesel,
>> said
>>> Olivier Jakob, the managing director of Petromatrix GmbH in Zug,
>>> Switzerland. The margin, or crack, for jet fuel, has also been adversely
>>> affected. Both fuels are known as distillates.
>>> 
>>> "The impact of coronavirus translates into global pressure on distillate
>>> cracks and the prices," Jakob said.
>>> 
>>> Oil refiners were making $9.83 a barrel from turning crude oil into
>> diesel
>>> on Monday, the lowest in almost two years, ICE Futures Europe data show.
>>> Late last year, the same spread stood at about $15. Traders are paying
>>> about $1.75 a ton less for diesel in February than for March, compared
>> to a
>>> $3 premium late last year.
>>> 
>>> There's similar weakness in the jet fuel market. The two products are
>>> closely related. Profits for producing jet fuel in Asia fell to the
>> lowest
>>> in nearly four years after a spate of travel restrictions and flight
>>> cancellations.
>>> 
>>> "Slowing air traffic has clearly dented Chinese jet fuel demand over
>> recent
>>> days," RBC Capital Markets analysts including Michael Tran said in a Jan.
>>> 27 research note. Jet fuel has been the firmest part of China's oil
>> demand
>>> growth in recent years, averaging about 11% a year, according to Tran.
>>> 
>>> The fuels are getting hit across the globe. Diesel margins in New York
>> sank
>>> to an 18-month low Monday, with concerns about the virus exacerbating the
>>> impact of a mild winter that already curtailed demand.
>>> 
>>> "There's very little good news when it comes to the middle distillate
>> part
>>> of the barrel," said Steve Sawyer, director of refining at FGE, an energy
>>> consultancy.
>>> 
>>> Looking forward, planned work at refineries in the Middle East — a region
>>> that sends a lot of middle distillate to Europe — should provide some
>>> support, he said. That will be followed by seasonal maintenance in the
>> U.S.
>>> and Europe. *— Jack Wittels, Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

2020-01-29 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

Well I actually think you might be right
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don’t think the W124 cabrios will ever attain significant values. There
> aren’t that many of them and they’re sort of weird as far as styling and
> looks. I’m not criticizing, I just don’t think they’re unique or good
> looking enough to ever command big bucks.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > After the 123's peak, then 124's will go up-but I don't think they are as
> > classi c in styleas the 123's.
> > YMMV
> > I have had bothand my 124 was the best car I ever owned.
> > Dwight
> > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> > Wickford RI
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:09 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K.  This depreciation
> is
> >> shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold their
> >> value".  Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
> >> decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...
> >>
> >> When will the curve flatten and head back up?  Will this non-classic
> >> designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price?  Will
> >> silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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[MBZ] Hey Floyd

2020-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Don't see your comment on the FB thread.
I'll add one.


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel


What goes best with Coronavirus?

--FT

On 1/29/20 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Will the price at the pump go down?


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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

well, from 1970 or before, until about 20 years ago when the 240D and
123 300Ds started to age out, ANY running Mercedes Diesel that was not
rusted away or crunched was worth at least $5000 on the private sale
market. The glut of 81-84 Diesels, purchased after the second "oel
crisis" came on the market about 2000. I paid $5k for the 81 in late
98. Had I waited a year or 2, I could have bought one for $1500...
The glut is gone now. Unfortunately cars produced 15-20 years ago are
electronic toys, and because of the unavailability and high cost of
electronics, these cars will never be valuable after they leave the
stealer lot.

In 1972, I paid $4000 for the 200D, and thought i had a real deal.
Turned out I overpaid, but that's another story.

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
January 29, 2020 at 10:08 AM
Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K. This depreciation is
shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold their
value". Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...

When will the curve flatten and head back up? Will this non-classic
designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price? Will
silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1994-mercedes-benz-e320-cabriolet-25/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-01-29

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Re: [MBZ] CDL - was:Corona Virus and the price of diesel

2020-01-29 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Rick wrote:

> I was surprised to get that truck as a non CDL renter. Due to
> the air brakes I think it is a CDL truck. I let my CDL lapse
> years ago when they started requiring medical etc ... I
> shouldn’t have. 

The real measure of "does it require a CDL" is the "C" -
commercial.  If you are not driving commercially as defined by the
FMCSR (Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations) then a CDL is not
required.  Even for a truck and trailer like Craig's!

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

2020-01-29 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

Limevirus?

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> What goes best with Coronavirus?
>
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

HA HA HA!

"Bring oot yer DED!"
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 3:00 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Lyme Disease!!!
>
> --FT
>
> On 1/29/20 2:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > A lime? That’s what I thought when I first heard about it…
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 29, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What goes best with Coronavirus?
> >>
> >> --FT
> >>
> >> On 1/29/20 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Will the price at the pump go down?
> >> --
> >> --FT
> >>
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[MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K.  This depreciation is
shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold their
value".  Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...

When will the curve flatten and head back up?  Will this non-classic
designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price?  Will
silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

2020-01-29 Thread Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes

Are you an original shareholder at $1.00?

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:35 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was a bit concerned with the markets on Monday, but that seems to have
> evaporated. Especially with Apple’s record earnings statement yesterday.
> They’re only up $9/share so far today.
>
> -D
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone else enjoying the fallout from coronavirus?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I paid $1.99 for diesel just a couple days ago.  That was nice, ~20.5
> >> gallons into my '95 E300.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Will the price at the pump go down?
> >>>
> >>> ENERGY MARKETSCoronavirus lockdown is even more bad news for
> >>> dieselPublished:
> >>> Wednesday, January 29, 2020
> >>>
> >>> Add a severe global pathogen to the list of bad news for diesel.
> >>>
> >>> Two metrics for the industrial fuel that traders watch closely — its
> >>> premium against crude, and a gauge of supply and demand — have
> collapsed
> >>> this year. For the most part, the rout has been about
> >> weaker-than-expected
> >>> buying from the shipping industry and a mild winter. The novel
> >> coronavirus
> >>> in China, though, has exacerbated the slide because it's meant a
> >> clampdown
> >>> on travel that's negative for fuel demand, and a weakening of investor
> >>> sentiment across assets.
> >>>
> >>> The lockdown of cities in China likely means weaker demand for diesel,
> >> said
> >>> Olivier Jakob, the managing director of Petromatrix GmbH in Zug,
> >>> Switzerland. The margin, or crack, for jet fuel, has also been
> adversely
> >>> affected. Both fuels are known as distillates.
> >>>
> >>> "The impact of coronavirus translates into global pressure on
> distillate
> >>> cracks and the prices," Jakob said.
> >>>
> >>> Oil refiners were making $9.83 a barrel from turning crude oil into
> >> diesel
> >>> on Monday, the lowest in almost two years, ICE Futures Europe data
> show.
> >>> Late last year, the same spread stood at about $15. Traders are paying
> >>> about $1.75 a ton less for diesel in February than for March, compared
> >> to a
> >>> $3 premium late last year.
> >>>
> >>> There's similar weakness in the jet fuel market. The two products are
> >>> closely related. Profits for producing jet fuel in Asia fell to the
> >> lowest
> >>> in nearly four years after a spate of travel restrictions and flight
> >>> cancellations.
> >>>
> >>> "Slowing air traffic has clearly dented Chinese jet fuel demand over
> >> recent
> >>> days," RBC Capital Markets analysts including Michael Tran said in a
> Jan.
> >>> 27 research note. Jet fuel has been the firmest part of China's oil
> >> demand
> >>> growth in recent years, averaging about 11% a year, according to Tran.
> >>>
> >>> The fuels are getting hit across the globe. Diesel margins in New York
> >> sank
> >>> to an 18-month low Monday, with concerns about the virus exacerbating
> the
> >>> impact of a mild winter that already curtailed demand.
> >>>
> >>> "There's very little good news when it comes to the middle distillate
> >> part
> >>> of the barrel," said Steve Sawyer, director of refining at FGE, an
> energy
> >>> consultancy.
> >>>
> >>> Looking forward, planned work at refineries in the Middle East — a
> region
> >>> that sends a lot of middle distillate to Europe — should provide some
> >>> support, he said. That will be followed by seasonal maintenance in the
> >> U.S.
> >>> and Europe. *— Jack Wittels, Bloomberg*
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[MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

Folks

Last Thursday night I rented a Penske 2015 Freightliner 26 foot straight truck. 
 I was going to rent the same truck from Enterprise, cheaper I think, but they 
wouldn’t take my paypal MasterCard also debit card (or cash)! So I went to 
Penske.

So I loaded up my dog, Precious and a bunch of equipment moving crap and a 
coffee camp stove and a cot and sleeping bag. 

We drove up to Charlotte, NC and got there about 1 am.  It was a pretty nice 
truck with air brakes and 225k miles which seemed a lot for 5 years old. It 
drove like a new truck and was really not all that noisy. The radio barely 
worked.

We camped in the 37f and stayed warm with the help of some moving blankets on 
top of the sleeping bag.

After our coffee, we loaded about 5 letterpresses and an Elrod machine and 
probably 1000 lbs of lead  $2 a lb for bullets or type. And some type.  I 
guess we had probably had close to 10k load.

We also stopped at ft mill, SC and looked at some more junk which I will 
probably get too.

On the way home to Tybee, Friday night we stopped south of Columbia and bought 
a ton of diesel for $1.68/ gal.  That freightliner takes about a gallon every 8 
or 9 miles.

I was surprised to get that truck as a non CDL renter. Due to the air brakes I 
think it is a CDL truck. I let my CDL lapse years ago when they started 
requiring medical etc ... I shouldn’t have. 

I only saw one weigh station which was closed. I 95 north of Savannah, 
northbound REALLY SUCKS  it is horribly rough in the right lane ... I did 
some left lane riding just to keep some teeth.

If you want to see photos and folly come of my crazy, you can see at Instagram 
where I am printerrickthe or on Facebook

Xx rick hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

2020-01-29 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Cool stuff. I-95 in SC is one giant pothole but our fuel is cheap!

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:03 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> Last Thursday night I rented a Penske 2015 Freightliner 26 foot straight 
> truck.  I was going to rent the same truck from Enterprise, cheaper I think, 
> but they wouldn’t take my paypal MasterCard also debit card (or cash)! So I 
> went to Penske.
> 
> So I loaded up my dog, Precious and a bunch of equipment moving crap and a 
> coffee camp stove and a cot and sleeping bag. 
> 
> We drove up to Charlotte, NC and got there about 1 am.  It was a pretty nice 
> truck with air brakes and 225k miles which seemed a lot for 5 years old. It 
> drove like a new truck and was really not all that noisy. The radio barely 
> worked.
> 
> We camped in the 37f and stayed warm with the help of some moving blankets on 
> top of the sleeping bag.
> 
> After our coffee, we loaded about 5 letterpresses and an Elrod machine and 
> probably 1000 lbs of lead  $2 a lb for bullets or type. And some type.  I 
> guess we had probably had close to 10k load.
> 
> We also stopped at ft mill, SC and looked at some more junk which I will 
> probably get too.
> 
> On the way home to Tybee, Friday night we stopped south of Columbia and 
> bought a ton of diesel for $1.68/ gal.  That freightliner takes about a 
> gallon every 8 or 9 miles.
> 
> I was surprised to get that truck as a non CDL renter. Due to the air brakes 
> I think it is a CDL truck. I let my CDL lapse years ago when they started 
> requiring medical etc ... I shouldn’t have. 
> 
> I only saw one weigh station which was closed. I 95 north of Savannah, 
> northbound REALLY SUCKS  it is horribly rough in the right lane ... I did 
> some left lane riding just to keep some teeth.
> 
> If you want to see photos and folly come of my crazy, you can see at 
> Instagram where I am printerrickthe or on Facebook
> 
> Xx rick hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Floyd

2020-01-29 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Saw that comment on the other Pierre video someone posted. 


Rick


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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

A lime? That’s what I thought when I first heard about it…

-D


> On Jan 29, 2020, at 2:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> What goes best with Coronavirus?
> 
> --FT
> 
> On 1/29/20 10:52 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Will the price at the pump go down?
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Pierre Dispels Another Kent Myth

I made a smartass comment on the post of the vid "good thing he was 
banned from the group"


HAHAHAHAHA I kill myself...

--FT

On 1/29/20 10:35 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

There will be a great deal of teeth gnashing and clothes rending there today, 
no doubt.

Not.

-D



On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

That has to be a big disappointment to the 123 kids

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:41 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzQMm33kndI=IwAR0DDbig-CHfonN_wgHKahqVr1Ktqr9RhNoJ44huRdtKUd39wmaeez63pTU

-D
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

I paid $1.99 for diesel just a couple days ago.  That was nice, ~20.5
gallons into my '95 E300.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Will the price at the pump go down?
>
> ENERGY MARKETSCoronavirus lockdown is even more bad news for
> dieselPublished:
> Wednesday, January 29, 2020
>
> Add a severe global pathogen to the list of bad news for diesel.
>
> Two metrics for the industrial fuel that traders watch closely — its
> premium against crude, and a gauge of supply and demand — have collapsed
> this year. For the most part, the rout has been about weaker-than-expected
> buying from the shipping industry and a mild winter. The novel coronavirus
> in China, though, has exacerbated the slide because it's meant a clampdown
> on travel that's negative for fuel demand, and a weakening of investor
> sentiment across assets.
>
> The lockdown of cities in China likely means weaker demand for diesel, said
> Olivier Jakob, the managing director of Petromatrix GmbH in Zug,
> Switzerland. The margin, or crack, for jet fuel, has also been adversely
> affected. Both fuels are known as distillates.
>
> "The impact of coronavirus translates into global pressure on distillate
> cracks and the prices," Jakob said.
>
> Oil refiners were making $9.83 a barrel from turning crude oil into diesel
> on Monday, the lowest in almost two years, ICE Futures Europe data show.
> Late last year, the same spread stood at about $15. Traders are paying
> about $1.75 a ton less for diesel in February than for March, compared to a
> $3 premium late last year.
>
> There's similar weakness in the jet fuel market. The two products are
> closely related. Profits for producing jet fuel in Asia fell to the lowest
> in nearly four years after a spate of travel restrictions and flight
> cancellations.
>
> "Slowing air traffic has clearly dented Chinese jet fuel demand over recent
> days," RBC Capital Markets analysts including Michael Tran said in a Jan.
> 27 research note. Jet fuel has been the firmest part of China's oil demand
> growth in recent years, averaging about 11% a year, according to Tran.
>
> The fuels are getting hit across the globe. Diesel margins in New York sank
> to an 18-month low Monday, with concerns about the virus exacerbating the
> impact of a mild winter that already curtailed demand.
>
> "There's very little good news when it comes to the middle distillate part
> of the barrel," said Steve Sawyer, director of refining at FGE, an energy
> consultancy.
>
> Looking forward, planned work at refineries in the Middle East — a region
> that sends a lot of middle distillate to Europe — should provide some
> support, he said. That will be followed by seasonal maintenance in the U.S.
> and Europe. *— Jack Wittels, Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

No. I started buying in the early 90s. I think it was in the high teens when I 
started. It’s split at least three times since then, too (2/1, 2/1, 7/1) I 
think. When it was in the dumper in the early 2000s I vacuumed up all I could 
afford.

I also did it all in IRAs or similar instruments, so I won’t get dinged on 
capital gains as I cash out, but I will be paying taxes on it at a higher rate 
than at the time I acquired a lot of it. Meh.

A $100 investment in AAPL in the early 2000s would net about 130%-140% gain 
today in round numbers, I believe.

As I like to say, “Thank you, Steve!”

-D


> On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Are you an original shareholder at $1.00?
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:35 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> I was a bit concerned with the markets on Monday, but that seems to have 
> evaporated. Especially with Apple’s record earnings statement yesterday. 
> They’re only up $9/share so far today.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Anyone else enjoying the fallout from coronavirus?
> > 
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > 
> >> I paid $1.99 for diesel just a couple days ago.  That was nice, ~20.5
> >> gallons into my '95 E300.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Will the price at the pump go down?
> >>> 
> >>> ENERGY MARKETSCoronavirus lockdown is even more bad news for
> >>> dieselPublished:
> >>> Wednesday, January 29, 2020
> >>> 
> >>> Add a severe global pathogen to the list of bad news for diesel.
> >>> 
> >>> Two metrics for the industrial fuel that traders watch closely — its
> >>> premium against crude, and a gauge of supply and demand — have collapsed
> >>> this year. For the most part, the rout has been about
> >> weaker-than-expected
> >>> buying from the shipping industry and a mild winter. The novel
> >> coronavirus
> >>> in China, though, has exacerbated the slide because it's meant a
> >> clampdown
> >>> on travel that's negative for fuel demand, and a weakening of investor
> >>> sentiment across assets.
> >>> 
> >>> The lockdown of cities in China likely means weaker demand for diesel,
> >> said
> >>> Olivier Jakob, the managing director of Petromatrix GmbH in Zug,
> >>> Switzerland. The margin, or crack, for jet fuel, has also been adversely
> >>> affected. Both fuels are known as distillates.
> >>> 
> >>> "The impact of coronavirus translates into global pressure on distillate
> >>> cracks and the prices," Jakob said.
> >>> 
> >>> Oil refiners were making $9.83 a barrel from turning crude oil into
> >> diesel
> >>> on Monday, the lowest in almost two years, ICE Futures Europe data show.
> >>> Late last year, the same spread stood at about $15. Traders are paying
> >>> about $1.75 a ton less for diesel in February than for March, compared
> >> to a
> >>> $3 premium late last year.
> >>> 
> >>> There's similar weakness in the jet fuel market. The two products are
> >>> closely related. Profits for producing jet fuel in Asia fell to the
> >> lowest
> >>> in nearly four years after a spate of travel restrictions and flight
> >>> cancellations.
> >>> 
> >>> "Slowing air traffic has clearly dented Chinese jet fuel demand over
> >> recent
> >>> days," RBC Capital Markets analysts including Michael Tran said in a Jan.
> >>> 27 research note. Jet fuel has been the firmest part of China's oil
> >> demand
> >>> growth in recent years, averaging about 11% a year, according to Tran.
> >>> 
> >>> The fuels are getting hit across the globe. Diesel margins in New York
> >> sank
> >>> to an 18-month low Monday, with concerns about the virus exacerbating the
> >>> impact of a mild winter that already curtailed demand.
> >>> 
> >>> "There's very little good news when it comes to the middle distillate
> >> part
> >>> of the barrel," said Steve Sawyer, director of refining at FGE, an energy
> >>> consultancy.
> >>> 
> >>> Looking forward, planned work at refineries in the Middle East — a region
> >>> that sends a lot of middle distillate to Europe — should provide some
> >>> support, he said. That will be followed by seasonal maintenance in the
> >> U.S.
> >>> and Europe. *— Jack Wittels, Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

Rick,

I’m curious - is there more of a market for the type as just lead scrap or as 
type?

-D

 
> On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via 
> Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Folks
> 
> Last Thursday night I rented a Penske 2015 Freightliner 26 foot straight 
> truck.  I was going to rent the same truck from Enterprise, cheaper I think, 
> but they wouldn’t take my paypal MasterCard also debit card (or cash)! So I 
> went to Penske.
> 
> So I loaded up my dog, Precious and a bunch of equipment moving crap and a 
> coffee camp stove and a cot and sleeping bag. 
> 
> We drove up to Charlotte, NC and got there about 1 am.  It was a pretty nice 
> truck with air brakes and 225k miles which seemed a lot for 5 years old. It 
> drove like a new truck and was really not all that noisy. The radio barely 
> worked.
> 
> We camped in the 37f and stayed warm with the help of some moving blankets on 
> top of the sleeping bag.
> 
> After our coffee, we loaded about 5 letterpresses and an Elrod machine and 
> probably 1000 lbs of lead  $2 a lb for bullets or type. And some type.  I 
> guess we had probably had close to 10k load.
> 
> We also stopped at ft mill, SC and looked at some more junk which I will 
> probably get too.
> 
> On the way home to Tybee, Friday night we stopped south of Columbia and 
> bought a ton of diesel for $1.68/ gal.  That freightliner takes about a 
> gallon every 8 or 9 miles.
> 
> I was surprised to get that truck as a non CDL renter. Due to the air brakes 
> I think it is a CDL truck. I let my CDL lapse years ago when they started 
> requiring medical etc ... I shouldn’t have. 
> 
> I only saw one weigh station which was closed. I 95 north of Savannah, 
> northbound REALLY SUCKS  it is horribly rough in the right lane ... I did 
> some left lane riding just to keep some teeth.
> 
> If you want to see photos and folly come of my crazy, you can see at 
> Instagram where I am printerrickthe or on Facebook
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

So, Herr Mann.
 How do you really feel about these cars?

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 1:24 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> will suffer and never reach the desire level of the "Classic Era" cars.
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:22 AM G Mann  wrote:
>
> > The Classic Mercedes era ended and was replaced with the "Vanilla Era
> > Mercedes" the slide to Full Vanilla took about 4 model years, during
> > which, electronic nannies prevailed to the point replacement parts are
> not
> > supported for the average wallet, or for any wallet..
> > Personal outlook for the "Vanilla Era Mercedes" is that resale wil
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:25 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
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> >
> >> Well I actually think you might be right
> >> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I don’t think the W124 cabrios will ever attain significant values.
> >> There
> >> > aren’t that many of them and they’re sort of weird as far as styling
> and
> >> > looks. I’m not criticizing, I just don’t think they’re unique or good
> >> > looking enough to ever command big bucks.
> >> >
> >> > -D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > After the 123's peak, then 124's will go up-but I don't think they
> >> are as
> >> > > classi c in styleas the 123's.
> >> > > YMMV
> >> > > I have had bothand my 124 was the best car I ever owned.
> >> > > Dwight
> >> > > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
> >> > > Wickford RI
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:09 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> >> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K.  This
> >> depreciation
> >> > is
> >> > >> shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold
> >> their
> >> > >> value".  Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a
> sharp
> >> > >> decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...
> >> > >>
> >> > >> When will the curve flatten and head back up?  Will this
> non-classic
> >> > >> designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price?  Will
> >> > >> silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

My best friend passed away unexpectedly just after Xmas, leaving his
affairs in flux.  His brother drove down to sort things out in his condo.
First thing he learned was that both sets of car keys and the brother's
wallet were MIA.  We have no idea where they went - the front door was
always unlocked so it could have been anyone (23rd floor in a secure
building)

Mercedes content:  The dealer quickly provided a replacement key for the
2008 E55 AMG sedan (25 k miles).  The key worked so that was settled.

The BMW dealer was very unhelpful in getting the 2005 station wagon up and
running.  After a week they grudgingly sold the brother a replacement key,
which opened the door but would not start the ca (the car was running
perfectly previously).  They refused to provide a tech to make a house call
or even to talk through the issues,  so the car is being towed to the
dealership.

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> I'd forgotten about the time I had a Passat which I thought was a Jetta...
> Curt
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:12 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:   I flew into Dulles one night late and
> picked up a white Taurus rental,
> drove to the hotel at like midnight and parked it and paid no attention
> to it.  Come out the next morning and there were like 15 white Ford
> Tauri in the parking lot...  I finally found it by looking at license
> plates, the number for which was on the key tag.
>
> --FT
>
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> car, its not, but because they come in bright colors. Nothing is worse than
> a silver Camry, I've lost several of them and had to use the key fob
> emergency button to find the car.
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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

2020-01-29 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

will suffer and never reach the desire level of the "Classic Era" cars.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:22 AM G Mann  wrote:

> The Classic Mercedes era ended and was replaced with the "Vanilla Era
> Mercedes" the slide to Full Vanilla took about 4 model years, during
> which, electronic nannies prevailed to the point replacement parts are not
> supported for the average wallet, or for any wallet..
> Personal outlook for the "Vanilla Era Mercedes" is that resale wil
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:25 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Well I actually think you might be right
>> Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:21 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I don’t think the W124 cabrios will ever attain significant values.
>> There
>> > aren’t that many of them and they’re sort of weird as far as styling and
>> > looks. I’m not criticizing, I just don’t think they’re unique or good
>> > looking enough to ever command big bucks.
>> >
>> > -D
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:12 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > After the 123's peak, then 124's will go up-but I don't think they
>> are as
>> > > classi c in styleas the 123's.
>> > > YMMV
>> > > I have had bothand my 124 was the best car I ever owned.
>> > > Dwight
>> > > Dwight E. Giles Jr.
>> > > Wickford RI
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:09 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K.  This
>> depreciation
>> > is
>> > >> shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold
>> their
>> > >> value".  Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
>> > >> decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...
>> > >>
>> > >> When will the curve flatten and head back up?  Will this non-classic
>> > >> designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price?  Will
>> > >> silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT


So maybe others were correct that this is a reasonable ask for this one

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/584937572349134/

--FT

On 1/29/20 11:08 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K.  This depreciation is
shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold their
value".  Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...

When will the curve flatten and head back up?  Will this non-classic
designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price?  Will
silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

Anyone else enjoying the fallout from coronavirus?

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I paid $1.99 for diesel just a couple days ago.  That was nice, ~20.5
> gallons into my '95 E300.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Will the price at the pump go down?
> >
> > ENERGY MARKETSCoronavirus lockdown is even more bad news for
> > dieselPublished:
> > Wednesday, January 29, 2020
> >
> > Add a severe global pathogen to the list of bad news for diesel.
> >
> > Two metrics for the industrial fuel that traders watch closely — its
> > premium against crude, and a gauge of supply and demand — have collapsed
> > this year. For the most part, the rout has been about
> weaker-than-expected
> > buying from the shipping industry and a mild winter. The novel
> coronavirus
> > in China, though, has exacerbated the slide because it's meant a
> clampdown
> > on travel that's negative for fuel demand, and a weakening of investor
> > sentiment across assets.
> >
> > The lockdown of cities in China likely means weaker demand for diesel,
> said
> > Olivier Jakob, the managing director of Petromatrix GmbH in Zug,
> > Switzerland. The margin, or crack, for jet fuel, has also been adversely
> > affected. Both fuels are known as distillates.
> >
> > "The impact of coronavirus translates into global pressure on distillate
> > cracks and the prices," Jakob said.
> >
> > Oil refiners were making $9.83 a barrel from turning crude oil into
> diesel
> > on Monday, the lowest in almost two years, ICE Futures Europe data show.
> > Late last year, the same spread stood at about $15. Traders are paying
> > about $1.75 a ton less for diesel in February than for March, compared
> to a
> > $3 premium late last year.
> >
> > There's similar weakness in the jet fuel market. The two products are
> > closely related. Profits for producing jet fuel in Asia fell to the
> lowest
> > in nearly four years after a spate of travel restrictions and flight
> > cancellations.
> >
> > "Slowing air traffic has clearly dented Chinese jet fuel demand over
> recent
> > days," RBC Capital Markets analysts including Michael Tran said in a Jan.
> > 27 research note. Jet fuel has been the firmest part of China's oil
> demand
> > growth in recent years, averaging about 11% a year, according to Tran.
> >
> > The fuels are getting hit across the globe. Diesel margins in New York
> sank
> > to an 18-month low Monday, with concerns about the virus exacerbating the
> > impact of a mild winter that already curtailed demand.
> >
> > "There's very little good news when it comes to the middle distillate
> part
> > of the barrel," said Steve Sawyer, director of refining at FGE, an energy
> > consultancy.
> >
> > Looking forward, planned work at refineries in the Middle East — a region
> > that sends a lot of middle distillate to Europe — should provide some
> > support, he said. That will be followed by seasonal maintenance in the
> U.S.
> > and Europe. *— Jack Wittels, Bloomberg*
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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

2020-01-29 Thread Dwight Giles via Mercedes

After the 123's peak, then 124's will go up-but I don't think they are as
classi c in styleas the 123's.
YMMV
I have had bothand my 124 was the best car I ever owned.
Dwight
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:09 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Sold new for $80 k and now lucky if it reaches $20K.  This depreciation is
> shocking for those of us taught the party line that Mercedes "hold their
> value".  Even the St. Christopher medal couldn't prevent such a sharp
> decline, although it did prevent serious accidents...
>
> When will the curve flatten and head back up?  Will this non-classic
> designed cabriolet ever attain its original sticker price?  Will
> silver/gray become chic in the year 2050?
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

In other words you could have afforded a "professional" to restore your
finnie.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 12:27 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No. I started buying in the early 90s. I think it was in the high teens
> when I started. It’s split at least three times since then, too (2/1, 2/1,
> 7/1) I think. When it was in the dumper in the early 2000s I vacuumed up
> all I could afford.
>
> I also did it all in IRAs or similar instruments, so I won’t get dinged on
> capital gains as I cash out, but I will be paying taxes on it at a higher
> rate than at the time I acquired a lot of it. Meh.
>
> A $100 investment in AAPL in the early 2000s would net about 130%-140%
> gain today in round numbers, I believe.
>
> As I like to say, “Thank you, Steve!”
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > Are you an original shareholder at $1.00?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:35 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > I was a bit concerned with the markets on Monday, but that seems to have
> evaporated. Especially with Apple’s record earnings statement yesterday.
> They’re only up $9/share so far today.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Anyone else enjoying the fallout from coronavirus?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:18 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I paid $1.99 for diesel just a couple days ago.  That was nice, ~20.5
> > >> gallons into my '95 E300.
> > >> -
> > >> Max
> > >> Charleston SC
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:53 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Will the price at the pump go down?
> > >>>
> > >>> ENERGY MARKETSCoronavirus lockdown is even more bad news for
> > >>> dieselPublished:
> > >>> Wednesday, January 29, 2020
> > >>>
> > >>> Add a severe global pathogen to the list of bad news for diesel.
> > >>>
> > >>> Two metrics for the industrial fuel that traders watch closely — its
> > >>> premium against crude, and a gauge of supply and demand — have
> collapsed
> > >>> this year. For the most part, the rout has been about
> > >> weaker-than-expected
> > >>> buying from the shipping industry and a mild winter. The novel
> > >> coronavirus
> > >>> in China, though, has exacerbated the slide because it's meant a
> > >> clampdown
> > >>> on travel that's negative for fuel demand, and a weakening of
> investor
> > >>> sentiment across assets.
> > >>>
> > >>> The lockdown of cities in China likely means weaker demand for
> diesel,
> > >> said
> > >>> Olivier Jakob, the managing director of Petromatrix GmbH in Zug,
> > >>> Switzerland. The margin, or crack, for jet fuel, has also been
> adversely
> > >>> affected. Both fuels are known as distillates.
> > >>>
> > >>> "The impact of coronavirus translates into global pressure on
> distillate
> > >>> cracks and the prices," Jakob said.
> > >>>
> > >>> Oil refiners were making $9.83 a barrel from turning crude oil into
> > >> diesel
> > >>> on Monday, the lowest in almost two years, ICE Futures Europe data
> show.
> > >>> Late last year, the same spread stood at about $15. Traders are
> paying
> > >>> about $1.75 a ton less for diesel in February than for March,
> compared
> > >> to a
> > >>> $3 premium late last year.
> > >>>
> > >>> There's similar weakness in the jet fuel market. The two products are
> > >>> closely related. Profits for producing jet fuel in Asia fell to the
> > >> lowest
> > >>> in nearly four years after a spate of travel restrictions and flight
> > >>> cancellations.
> > >>>
> > >>> "Slowing air traffic has clearly dented Chinese jet fuel demand over
> > >> recent
> > >>> days," RBC Capital Markets analysts including Michael Tran said in a
> Jan.
> > >>> 27 research note. Jet fuel has been the firmest part of China's oil
> > >> demand
> > >>> growth in recent years, averaging about 11% a year, according to
> Tran.
> > >>>
> > >>> The fuels are getting hit across the globe. Diesel margins in New
> York
> > >> sank
> > >>> to an 18-month low Monday, with concerns about the virus
> exacerbating the
> > >>> impact of a mild winter that already curtailed demand.
> > >>>
> > >>> "There's very little good news when it comes to the middle distillate
> > >> part
> > >>> of the barrel," said Steve Sawyer, director of refining at FGE, an
> energy
> > >>> consultancy.
> > >>>
> > >>> Looking forward, planned work at refineries in the Middle East — a
> region
> > >>> that sends a lot of middle distillate to Europe — should provide some
> > >>> support, he said. That will be followed by seasonal maintenance in
> the
> > >> U.S.
> > >>> and Europe. *— Jack Wittels, Bloomberg*
> > >>>

Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

I believe he means a truck with air brakes that would, if used commercially, 
require a CDL license to drive.

-D


> On Jan 29, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> What's a CDL truck, Rick?
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 1:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes  > wrote:
> Rick,
> 
> I’m curious - is there more of a market for the type as just lead scrap or as 
> type?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon 
> > via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > Folks
> > 
> > Last Thursday night I rented a Penske 2015 Freightliner 26 foot straight 
> > truck.  I was going to rent the same truck from Enterprise, cheaper I 
> > think, but they wouldn’t take my paypal MasterCard also debit card (or 
> > cash)! So I went to Penske.
> > 
> > So I loaded up my dog, Precious and a bunch of equipment moving crap and a 
> > coffee camp stove and a cot and sleeping bag. 
> > 
> > We drove up to Charlotte, NC and got there about 1 am.  It was a pretty 
> > nice truck with air brakes and 225k miles which seemed a lot for 5 years 
> > old. It drove like a new truck and was really not all that noisy. The radio 
> > barely worked.
> > 
> > We camped in the 37f and stayed warm with the help of some moving blankets 
> > on top of the sleeping bag.
> > 
> > After our coffee, we loaded about 5 letterpresses and an Elrod machine and 
> > probably 1000 lbs of lead  $2 a lb for bullets or type. And some type.  
> > I guess we had probably had close to 10k load.
> > 
> > We also stopped at ft mill, SC and looked at some more junk which I will 
> > probably get too.
> > 
> > On the way home to Tybee, Friday night we stopped south of Columbia and 
> > bought a ton of diesel for $1.68/ gal.  That freightliner takes about a 
> > gallon every 8 or 9 miles.
> > 
> > I was surprised to get that truck as a non CDL renter. Due to the air 
> > brakes I think it is a CDL truck. I let my CDL lapse years ago when they 
> > started requiring medical etc ... I shouldn’t have. 
> > 
> > I only saw one weigh station which was closed. I 95 north of Savannah, 
> > northbound REALLY SUCKS  it is horribly rough in the right lane ... I 
> > did some left lane riding just to keep some teeth.
> > 
> > If you want to see photos and folly come of my crazy, you can see at 
> > Instagram where I am printerrickthe or on Facebook
> > 
> > Xx rick hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] OT looks like the travel schedule is firing back up

Man, those LDS folks are working you to death. I’m sure Regina likes it, 
though. You’re never around and when you do come home she gets to spend those 
airline miles to go somewhere…



-D


> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT looks like the travel schedule is firing back up

2020-01-29 Thread Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes

Well in all fairness the last time I have done any real traveling was 
before Thanksgiving, so I guess it's time to may my dues again.


On 1/29/2020 7:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Man, those LDS folks are working you to death. I’m sure Regina likes it, 
though. You’re never around and when you do come home she gets to spend those 
airline miles to go somewhere…



-D



On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Next week I will be in Colorado Springs.  The following week I will be in 
Hanford, CA.  The week after that is LA, then I will probably be in Lubbock 
and/or Amarillo after that.  No time to work on cars.


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[MBZ] Lead and CDL

Andrew, CDL is commercial as in semi truck license and also requires a medical

Dan, the type lead we keep as type ... there is no great market for type so I 
hoard it up to use when I print something which I do sometimes

As for the Linotype lead it sells for at least $2 a lb on ebay ... it is this 
alloy

https://www.rotometals.com/linotype-alloy-alloy-5-pounds-4-tin-12-antimony-and-84-lead/

They are selling it for $4 lb

Maybe price is up

I’ll sell it to you guys too

Good for your Linotype or Ludlow machine or for your bullet mold

Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

Ok. That explains the carrying capacity. I was trying to figure out what
sort of pickup truck could handle such a load.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 2:45 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I believe he means a truck with air brakes that would, if used
> commercially, require a CDL license to drive.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Jan 29, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
> wrote:
> >
> > What's a CDL truck, Rick?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 1:54 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
> > Rick,
> >
> > I’m curious - is there more of a market for the type as just lead scrap
> or as type?
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 29, 2020, at 1:02 PM, Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles
> Photon via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Folks
> > >
> > > Last Thursday night I rented a Penske 2015 Freightliner 26 foot
> straight truck.  I was going to rent the same truck from Enterprise,
> cheaper I think, but they wouldn’t take my paypal MasterCard also debit
> card (or cash)! So I went to Penske.
> > >
> > > So I loaded up my dog, Precious and a bunch of equipment moving crap
> and a coffee camp stove and a cot and sleeping bag.
> > >
> > > We drove up to Charlotte, NC and got there about 1 am.  It was a
> pretty nice truck with air brakes and 225k miles which seemed a lot for 5
> years old. It drove like a new truck and was really not all that noisy. The
> radio barely worked.
> > >
> > > We camped in the 37f and stayed warm with the help of some moving
> blankets on top of the sleeping bag.
> > >
> > > After our coffee, we loaded about 5 letterpresses and an Elrod machine
> and probably 1000 lbs of lead  $2 a lb for bullets or type. And some
> type.  I guess we had probably had close to 10k load.
> > >
> > > We also stopped at ft mill, SC and looked at some more junk which I
> will probably get too.
> > >
> > > On the way home to Tybee, Friday night we stopped south of Columbia
> and bought a ton of diesel for $1.68/ gal.  That freightliner takes about a
> gallon every 8 or 9 miles.
> > >
> > > I was surprised to get that truck as a non CDL renter. Due to the air
> brakes I think it is a CDL truck. I let my CDL lapse years ago when they
> started requiring medical etc ... I shouldn’t have.
> > >
> > > I only saw one weigh station which was closed. I 95 north of Savannah,
> northbound REALLY SUCKS  it is horribly rough in the right lane ... I
> did some left lane riding just to keep some teeth.
> > >
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> Instagram where I am printerrickthe or on Facebook
> > >
> > > Xx rick hawkins
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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

We had a guy close by who rented Budget.   He would always cut a better 
deal than you can get online.  I've driven straight trucks since I was 
about 12, and on the road since 16.  The nicest was the 95? 
international with DT 466E, 6 spd, air ride and Bostrom air ride seat.   
It had 300K miles on it when we got it and was like new.   On a smooth 
road, it was better than an MB.   It would get 10 mpg.   First time I 
rented a 26' budget it was a Jimmy.  I asked the guy if it could get 
10.  He said no, 8 or maybe 9. I drove it over 1000 miles, kept it to 60 
and got 10.   What I had found out with the IH was that over 60, the 
mileage goes down a lot, and fast.  The last one, I drove 3000 miles and 
got 10, but I don't remember what it was.  I know it was not a Jimmy.   
I think it was IH with the v8 they used to call 444.   I got 10 with it 
also.


Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes 


January 29, 2020 at 12:02 PM
Folks

Last Thursday night I rented a Penske 2015 Freightliner 26 foot 
straight truck. I was going to rent the same truck from Enterprise, 
cheaper I think, but they wouldn’t take my paypal MasterCard also 
debit card (or cash)! So I went to Penske.


So I loaded up my dog, Precious and a bunch of equipment moving crap 
and a coffee camp stove and a cot and sleeping bag.


We drove up to Charlotte, NC and got there about 1 am. It was a pretty 
nice truck with air brakes and 225k miles which seemed a lot for 5 
years old. It drove like a new truck and was really not all that 
noisy. The radio barely worked.


We camped in the 37f and stayed warm with the help of some moving 
blankets on top of the sleeping bag.


After our coffee, we loaded about 5 letterpresses and an Elrod machine 
and probably 1000 lbs of lead  $2 a lb for bullets or type. And 
some type. I guess we had probably had close to 10k load.


We also stopped at ft mill, SC and looked at some more junk which I 
will probably get too.


On the way home to Tybee, Friday night we stopped south of Columbia 
and bought a ton of diesel for $1.68/ gal. That freightliner takes 
about a gallon every 8 or 9 miles.


I was surprised to get that truck as a non CDL renter. Due to the air 
brakes I think it is a CDL truck. I let my CDL lapse years ago when 
they started requiring medical etc ... I shouldn’t have.


I only saw one weigh station which was closed. I 95 north of Savannah, 
northbound REALLY SUCKS  it is horribly rough in the right lane 
... I did some left lane riding just to keep some teeth.


If you want to see photos and folly come of my crazy, you can see at 
Instagram where I am printerrickthe or on Facebook


Xx rick hawkins

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Re: [MBZ] CDL - was:Corona Virus and the price of diesel

I was told under 26,000 GVW, you didn't need CDL, but anything over 
26,000 lb you had to have one.  Exception for camper trailers and motor 
homes (and school buses).   But if it looked like a commercial truck 
you'd better have a CDL and follow the rules.   Has this changed or was 
I told wrong?


Regardless of the rules, 20 yrs ago, if it looked like a truck, the 
Bluejackets would give you a ticket (over 26,000 GVW)   It was up to you 
to spend the time and money to try to convince a judge the bluejacket 
was wrong.



fmiser via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 12:48 PM

Rick wrote:

The real measure of "does it require a CDL" is the "C" -
commercial.  If you are not driving commercially as defined by the
FMCSR (Federal Motor Carrier Safety Regulations) then a CDL is not
required.  Even for a truck and trailer like Craig's!




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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

2020-01-29 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Curley wrote:

> I've driven straight trucks since I was about 12, and on the
> road since 16.  The nicest was the 95? international with DT
> 466E, 6 spd, air ride and Bostrom air ride seat. 

Air suspension makes a _huge_ difference on a vehicle with less
than max load as the spring constant can change to match the
weight.

An air ride seat makes a _big_ difference.  And Bostrom makes a
good one!

A few more ratios in the transmission would help - especially if
there are hills and mountains.

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

The administration flew a charter 747 out of there with consular staff and US 
civilians willing to pay back the cost.  It refueled at ANC and then headed out 
to Edwards AFB instead of Riverside.

SEA had announced that they would not racially profile flyers early in the 
troubles.  Now they are going to hold people and do screening or passengers.  
Happy to not be associated with flight crews for Alaska or Delta.

Price of #2 remains just under $3

clay

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anyone else enjoying the fallout from coronavirus?

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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

2020-01-29 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 10:29:56 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> it's in one of those new Nexton vinyl villages with an alley in back
> of the house/garage.

"Nexton vinyl villages"?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel




Yeah, its legal, but it's often up to you to prove in court, that you 
are innocent, and it is legal.

fmiser via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 5:55 PM


I believe there are some motor homes with air brakes, and those
don't need a CDL or even any training I believe.

Correct.  And if you own the vehicle, and are hauling stuff you
own and it doesn't involve business, then you shouldn't need a
CDL.  But it can be a grey area.  The folks delivering RVs need a
CDL, but the owner doesn't.  If you have a 53ft horse trailer
behind a Peterbilt 389 and you own the horses and are taking them
to some place for you to ride them, you should not need a CDL.
But it could vary by state and time - and this is NOT LEGAL
ADVICE! [grin]




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Re: [MBZ] Lead and CDL

I cut my journalistic teeth on linotype machines before drifting away to
geology. I was always fascinated by the Rube Goldberg complexity of them,
including the little swimming pool of melted antimony (lead?)

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020, 4:36 PM Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon
via Mercedes  wrote:

> Andrew, CDL is commercial as in semi truck license and also requires a
> medical
>
> Dan, the type lead we keep as type ... there is no great market for type
> so I hoard it up to use when I print something which I do sometimes
>
> As for the Linotype lead it sells for at least $2 a lb on ebay ... it is
> this alloy
>
>
> https://www.rotometals.com/linotype-alloy-alloy-5-pounds-4-tin-12-antimony-and-84-lead/
>
> They are selling it for $4 lb
>
> Maybe price is up
>
> I’ll sell it to you guys too
>
> Good for your Linotype or Ludlow machine or for your bullet mold
>
> Xx rick
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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

Agreed! 123s look better. 124s don't look bad, they just look more 
modern.  The modern look started with the W126.  No other car designed 
in the 70s from any maker has the modern look.   126 and 124s still look 
'in" style.  I'd rather drive a 126 or 123 for long distances, but a 124 
is ok.   124s remind me of the Karmann Ghia, where you left foot was 
nearly in front of your right hip.


I don't know if 124 Diesels will ever go up that much, but the floptops 
will, and AMG and E420 up might.



Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 11:12 AM
After the 123's peak, then 124's will go up-but I don't think they are as
classi c in styleas the 123's.
YMMV
I have had both and my 124 was the best car I ever owned.
Dwight
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI



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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

Cheap slab houses with vinyl siding over crappy construction. Fast and 
cheap.  Basically disposable.


--FT

On 1/29/20 5:21 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 10:29:56 -0500 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:


it's in one of those new Nexton vinyl villages with an alley in back
of the house/garage.

"Nexton vinyl villages"?


Craig

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[MBZ] OT looks like the travel schedule is firing back up

Next week I will be in Colorado Springs.  The following week I will be 
in Hanford, CA.  The week after that is LA, then I will probably be in 
Lubbock and/or Amarillo after that.  No time to work on cars.



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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of Diesel

Coronavirus was created by toada.   It infected all toadas and then 
infected all toada drivers.


I am of an age where I associate corona with toada.  Crown, corona, 
corolla 


Yes, I know about the Meh he can bier   but in the US of A, the 
trademark first belonged to toada.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 1:43 PM
A lime? That’s what I thought when I first heard about it…

-D





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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

no, and AFIK, the 26' rentals are air over hydraulic.  Those do not 
require air cert., but do require air obviously, or a LOT of muscle if 
the air fails.   On air, the air holds the brakes OFF, and brakes are 
applied my modulating lower pressures of air.


For air over hydraulic, in place of a vacuum booster, there is an air 
booster.   all road vehicles now are vacuum assist hydraulic, air over 
hydraulic, or air.


CDL does not require air brakes.   You can drive a pickup and need a CDL.

I believe there are some motor homes with air brakes, and those don't 
need a CDL or even any training I believe.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 1:44 PM
I believe he means a truck with air brakes that would, if used 
commercially, require a CDL license to drive.


-D


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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

2020-01-29 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Curley wrote:

> no, and AFIK, the 26' rentals are air over hydraulic.  Those do
> not require air cert., but do require air obviously, or a LOT of
> muscle if the air fails.   On air, the air holds the brakes OFF,
> and brakes are applied my modulating lower pressures of air.

No.  Full air brakes have some chambers that are "parking brakes",
or "spring brakes".  With air pressure of at least 60 PSI, the
spring is forced back and the brakes are "off".  Conversely, if
the air pressure drops below 60 PSI the spring brakes apply and
the truck stops.  Safety.

The service brakes use air pressure stored in a tank.  Typically
the compressor is set to keep the pressure between 100-120 PSI.

The brake pedal (sometimes called "trolley bar, trolley valve,
johnson bar" - that is, hand applied trailer brakes lever) supply
air pressure to apply the brakes.  To speed up the action, the
trailer has a supply of air near the wheels and the brake pedal
doesn't feed the brake chambers but feeds a valve that controls
the tank-to-chamber flow.  Thus from the tractor it is "low
current" and so it happens much faster.

Anyway, the compressor stores at least 100 PSI air to provide
energy to the brake chambers.  Typical chamber is a "type 30"
which has 30 sq. inch of piston area.  At 100 PSI that is 3,000 lb
of force on the brake rod.

I have not ever worked on air-over-hydraulic brakes, only vacuum
boost, hydroboost, and full on air brakes.  Oh, and mechanical.

> I believe there are some motor homes with air brakes, and those
> don't need a CDL or even any training I believe.

Correct.  And if you own the vehicle, and are hauling stuff you
own and it doesn't involve business, then you shouldn't need a
CDL.  But it can be a grey area.  The folks delivering RVs need a
CDL, but the owner doesn't.  If you have a 53ft horse trailer
behind a Peterbilt 389 and you own the horses and are taking them
to some place for you to ride them, you should not need a CDL.
But it could vary by state and time - and this is NOT LEGAL
ADVICE! [grin]

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

I seem to recall that Class A recreational motor coaches required some 
endorsements comparable to those of a CDL (unibody 10 meter long) vs Class C (a 
box truck or RV on a Van/pickup frame).  There is also a requirement for CDL to 
operate airport vans, having the responsibility of hauling civilians for pay.  
Not sure it applies to Town Car drivers.  Not inclusive of Uber or Lyft sorts

clay

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I believe he means a truck with air brakes that would, if used commercially, 
> require a CDL license to drive.
> 
> -D

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Re: [MBZ] Clean '94 E320 cabriolet on BAT

We all agree the newer than w124 mercedes are not worthy of a hold position, 
nor will they be found in operable condition to qualify for classic/vintage 
licensing.   

I really miss owning cars that are not bogged down with toys, blinking lights, 
more computing power than an old Packard Bell from Costco, and have nanny 
features which make it impossible to repair/replace the interior.  Too much 
explosive power with all those air bags to bother fixing headliners, A pillars 
and such.  Let alone be able to swing a wrench under the hood without having an 
old Cray on hand to decipher codes and re-anable functionality.

Welcome to the age of automotive appliances.  And the kids have no interest or 
desire to acquaint themselves with the cars from the past 25 years, nor 
anything older, as those vehicles are killing Greta Thunderbird fortified whine.

clay

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 9:23 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> will suffer and never reach the desire level of the "Classic Era" cars.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 11:22 AM G Mann  wrote:
> 
>> The Classic Mercedes era ended and was replaced with the "Vanilla Era
>> Mercedes" the slide to Full Vanilla took about 4 model years, during
>> which, electronic nannies prevailed to the point replacement parts are not
>> supported for the average wallet, or for any wallet..
>> Personal outlook for the "Vanilla Era Mercedes" is that resale wil
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 10:25 AM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <

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Re: [MBZ] Corona Virus and the price of diesel

a CDL can be required for some activities with any car or light truck.  
However, just as you are likely to get a ticket for driving a heavy 
truck when a CDL is technically not required, it is also not likely that 
johnny law will bother you in a car or light truck, unless something on 
the vehicle identifies it as a commercial vehicle, other than work 
trucks.  Vans that haul RR employees around would require a CDL and 
could be checked by DOT enforcement or Johnny Law.


Taxi drivers, bus drivers, school bus drivers, etc and hired help who 
drive a truck or car used to be required to have a chauffeurs license 
before the CDL law.   The feds usurped state laws and the 10th amendment 
by requiring the CDL.


I used to have Chauffeur's license, but because of the bookkeeping 
requirements, never wanted CDL very bad.  It changed about 1990.



Clay via Mercedes 
January 29, 2020 at 9:22 PM
I seem to recall that Class A recreational motor coaches required some 
endorsements comparable to those of a CDL (unibody 10 meter long) vs 
Class C (a box truck or RV on a Van/pickup frame). There is also a 
requirement for CDL to operate airport vans, having the responsibility 
of hauling civilians for pay. Not sure it applies to Town Car drivers. 
Not inclusive of Uber or Lyft sorts


clay




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Re: [MBZ] 97 E300

2020-01-29 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

As it always has been 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Jan 29, 2020, at 10:56 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> It is not the miners who get rich, it is the folks servicing the miners 
> making millions.

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