Re: [MBZ] The ULTIMATE crack smoker.

[Bill Gallagher]

To have a car flown is big bucks in those days. Estimate it will be half 
the price of the MB itself. This guy like to impress people, I would 
love to talk to his accountant and see how cheap he is on other matters 
.


Bill
1981 300 TD



http://www.boeing.com/commercial/747family/background.html



Mathieu J. Cama wrote:

Luthansa's budget carrier.


On Apr 10, 2007, at 4:39 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

  

LTU = ??

On 4/10/07, Mathieu J. Cama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

This was done. I have a '77 300d (actually it is a '76 build date) 
that

was flown in after factory pickup with LTU. Car came with all the
papers including the bill of lading for the flight plus the European
delivery papers. Discriminating customers did not want their cars
exposed to the salt air on a freighter or just did not have the
patience to wait.

Mathieu


On Apr 10, 2007, at 4:22 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

  

Flown to Boston on a 747?  Really??

On 4/10/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/car/308702463.html
Do you think he really ment $1700? I don't.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] Desert Crack

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 4/10/07, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

The early (approx '78-'84) Omni/Horizon etc could be had with 1.7L Volksbunny
drivetrains,


Hey, I remember that!  When I was a kid, a guy down the street had an
Omni with a VW engine.  At the tender age of 8 or so, not
understanding the strange deals carmakers will make, I had a really
hard time wrapping my head around that.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

Re: [MBZ] OT: BMW 300 series

[ned kleinhenz]

Christopher:
Besides the four Mercedes diesels, my family has two BMW's
My son drives an '89 325iC and I drive an '00 Z3 2.8 some days when I don't
drive my "more grown up" E300D.
The 325iC is the older "300 series" E30 type.  The Z3 is arguably a 300
series because it is basically the same E36 platform as the late '90's 323's
and 328's

These bimmers exist in a whole different dimension than a Mercedes.  I don't
find them to be quite as durable or reliable as an MBZ (but close).  They
are a blast to drive and relatively easy to fix.  And I think BMW bodies may
actually be less prone to rust than than MBZ's. Our '89 BMW has much less
rust than our '95 MBZ.  And both have spent their lives in this same SW Ohio
climate.

Dare we talk about cars from the dark-side on this list?

Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300Dx2
'86 300D
'80 300TD
'89 325iC
'00 Z3 2.8
'96 Sentra
'06 Sienna

Re: [MBZ] Technically OT California Emissions

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 4/10/07, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

In general, is CA emmiss. something of the past, or are cars still made with
special emission equipment for the state of CA?

Brian
83 240D



There's still such a thing, though now the laws are the same in Oregon
and a number of New England states, so it's probably called something
else.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII LSC

Re: [MBZ] Desert Crack

[Mitch Haley]

Curt Raymond wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm trying to convince SWMBO that a bunny-up would be a good third vehicle 
> for us.

I always wanted the following mini-pick-up kit:
1. Dodge Rampage FWD, rustfree.
2. Dodge Shelby Charger, good interior & running gear (same chassis as above).
3. Turbo Jetta, or better yet, a TDI drivetrain.
The early (approx '78-'84) Omni/Horizon etc could be had with 1.7L Volksbunny
drivetrains, so it should be a bolt-up job with the right motor mounts.

Re: [MBZ] Technically OT California Emissions

[ernest breakfield]

AFAIK, the only Cal-specific emissions equipment was on the '85s, when 
MBZ put the Particulate Trap Oxidizer on cars for California. (of course 
that it meant that they needed to move several things to make room for 
it, so several other things like the manifolds and air filters are 
unique for that year/model as well.)



cheers!
e


Zoltan Finks wrote:

Now that i think of it (and for your convenience, I'm placing a bull'seye
between my eyes) did diesels come with CA emissions? My 240D came from the
Golden State, and that engine was much more sluggish than the replacement
that came from Nevada. Granted, it was about to give up the ghost. Actually,
I think I may have seen something on a sticker or plate under the hood about
this. Too lazy to walk out there and look.

In general, is CA emmiss. something of the past, or are cars still made with
special emission equipment for the state of CA?

Brian
83 240D


On 4/10/07, Robert & Tara Ludwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Lower fuel mileage, poorer performance, and if you don't live in
California, special order on many parts.

-Robert

Zoltan Finks wrote:


I say it's OT because I'm asking in reference to another make of
vehicle (Saab - we're seling mine and I want another one), but it may
apply to Mercedes as well.

Quesion is: I found one that has, according to seller, California
Emissions. I must admit that all I know of this feature is that it is
touted by Rod Roddy.

I assume it means more junk under the hood, poorer performance, etc.
What about mileage effects? Is keeping the engine in tune more tricky
with CA emmisions?

Thanks,
Brian

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Re: [MBZ] Technically OT California Emissions

[Zoltan Finks]

Now that i think of it (and for your convenience, I'm placing a bull'seye
between my eyes) did diesels come with CA emissions? My 240D came from the
Golden State, and that engine was much more sluggish than the replacement
that came from Nevada. Granted, it was about to give up the ghost. Actually,
I think I may have seen something on a sticker or plate under the hood about
this. Too lazy to walk out there and look.

In general, is CA emmiss. something of the past, or are cars still made with
special emission equipment for the state of CA?

Brian
83 240D


On 4/10/07, Robert & Tara Ludwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Lower fuel mileage, poorer performance, and if you don't live in
California, special order on many parts.

-Robert

Zoltan Finks wrote:
> I say it's OT because I'm asking in reference to another make of
> vehicle (Saab - we're seling mine and I want another one), but it may
> apply to Mercedes as well.
>
> Quesion is: I found one that has, according to seller, California
> Emissions. I must admit that all I know of this feature is that it is
> touted by Rod Roddy.
>
> I assume it means more junk under the hood, poorer performance, etc.
> What about mileage effects? Is keeping the engine in tune more tricky
> with CA emmisions?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian
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Re: [MBZ] The ULTIMATE crack smoker.

[Mathieu J . Cama]

Luthansa's budget carrier.


On Apr 10, 2007, at 4:39 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


LTU = ??

On 4/10/07, Mathieu J. Cama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This was done. I have a '77 300d (actually it is a '76 build date) 
that

was flown in after factory pickup with LTU. Car came with all the
papers including the bill of lading for the flight plus the European
delivery papers. Discriminating customers did not want their cars
exposed to the salt air on a freighter or just did not have the
patience to wait.

Mathieu


On Apr 10, 2007, at 4:22 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


Flown to Boston on a 747?  Really??

On 4/10/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/car/308702463.html
Do you think he really ment $1700? I don't.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 1992 190E $600

[andrew strasfogel]

Just wondering whether FL alligators ever eat snakes, or vice versa.

On 4/10/07, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Seriously, I doubt if the whole family moved in.  It's too small an area
for
that.  The biggest one I ever caught was 'only' 23" [reptile institute
took
that one].  You couldn't get more than a dozen under the seat.  Besides,
the
rattlesnakes scare them away so I wouldn't worry.
BillR

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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 190E $600

He forgot to mention the family of coral snakes that is living under the
driver's seat.

On 4/10/07, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/car/296292634.html
>
>
>
> No affiliation, but might be of interest to someone.
>
> Kaleb - This one is in your price range.  You could come get this one
and
> bring me the AC compressor I need.
>
> BillR
>
> Jacksonville  FL
>
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Re: [MBZ] The ULTIMATE crack smoker.

[andrew strasfogel]

LTU = ??

On 4/10/07, Mathieu J. Cama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This was done. I have a '77 300d (actually it is a '76 build date) that
was flown in after factory pickup with LTU. Car came with all the
papers including the bill of lading for the flight plus the European
delivery papers. Discriminating customers did not want their cars
exposed to the salt air on a freighter or just did not have the
patience to wait.

Mathieu


On Apr 10, 2007, at 4:22 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:

> Flown to Boston on a 747?  Really??
>
> On 4/10/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/car/308702463.html
>> Do you think he really ment $1700? I don't.
>>
>> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] 1992 190E $600

[BillR]

Seriously, I doubt if the whole family moved in.  It's too small an area for
that.  The biggest one I ever caught was 'only' 23" [reptile institute took
that one].  You couldn't get more than a dozen under the seat.  Besides, the
rattlesnakes scare them away so I wouldn't worry.
BillR

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 3:56 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1992 190E $600

He forgot to mention the family of coral snakes that is living under the
driver's seat.

On 4/10/07, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/car/296292634.html
>
>
>
> No affiliation, but might be of interest to someone.
>
> Kaleb - This one is in your price range.  You could come get this one and
> bring me the AC compressor I need.
>
> BillR
>
> Jacksonville  FL
>
> 1981 300SD  288k miles
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Re: [MBZ] The ULTIMATE crack smoker.

[Mathieu J . Cama]

This was done. I have a '77 300d (actually it is a '76 build date) that 
was flown in after factory pickup with LTU. Car came with all the 
papers including the bill of lading for the flight plus the European 
delivery papers. Discriminating customers did not want their cars 
exposed to the salt air on a freighter or just did not have the 
patience to wait.


Mathieu


On Apr 10, 2007, at 4:22 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote:


Flown to Boston on a 747?  Really??

On 4/10/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/car/308702463.html
Do you think he really ment $1700? I don't.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] The ULTIMATE crack smoker.

[andrew strasfogel]

Flown to Boston on a 747?  Really??

On 4/10/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://boston.craigslist.org/nwb/car/308702463.html
Do you think he really ment $1700? I don't.

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] 1992 190E $600

[LT Don]

He forgot to mention the family of coral snakes that is living under the
driver's seat.

On 4/10/07, BillR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/car/296292634.html



No affiliation, but might be of interest to someone.

Kaleb - This one is in your price range.  You could come get this one and
bring me the AC compressor I need.

BillR

Jacksonville  FL

1981 300SD  288k miles

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[MBZ] 1992 190E $600

[BillR]

http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/car/296292634.html

 

No affiliation, but might be of interest to someone.  

Kaleb - This one is in your price range.  You could come get this one and
bring me the AC compressor I need.

BillR

Jacksonville  FL  

1981 300SD  288k miles

[MBZ] Problems Bleeding Clutch : Thanks

[Howard Fulford]

Thank You to all of you that posted replies to my 'I'm Having Problems
Bleeding My Clutch' post

Unfortunately, lack of time, facilities, and enthusiasm, got the better of
me so this morning I drove 10 miles across town and country traffic to take
my 190E to my local dealer - driving without a clutch

But the advices I got will be useful in the future

First time I've driven any distance without a clutch - not as bad as I
thought, but the traffic was not as bad as it could have been - even got
into 4th at on stage !

A couple of You that replied mentioned bleeding the clutch 'as it says in
the manual' - none of the CD-based manuals that I have for the W201 and W124
chassis have any pages dealing with a manual clutch - bleeding, ect


Does anyone have the relevant .pdf files that they can let me have, or maybe
a pointer to the filenames of the correct .pdf's, so I can do a search of my
PC ?


Howard Fulford
Bath
England

190E '89, 2.0 litre, 5 sp. manual
157298 miles

Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's

[Curt Raymond]

LOL
I've been feeling superior using my pickup truck to drag some beautiful oak 
home recently.
I'd been considering trading it for a little SUV, my wife uses it to commute 20 
miles a day and I thought she'd appreciate the better gas mileage.
If I'd done that I'd need to buy a better trailer, my little snowmobile trailer 
isn't really up to the task.
That pickup is surely going to pay for its continued existance this summer.

Oh, and all winter it hauls snowmobiles around. In May we'll use it to haul a 
new lawnmower to camp. At camp it'll haul us the 3/4 mile in which wouldn't 
happen in some smaltzy AWD car. It'll haul trees to plant, rocks for the road 
and bump start the tractor.
On that point, it'll BARELY bump start the tractor. To pull start a Farmall 
Super M farm tractor we really should have a full size pickup...

-Curt

Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 09:36:39 -0700
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Yes, I acknowledge that .1% of the population can actually use 
their
SUV's "functions" .2% of the time, but up here in Western 
Warshington,
they're about as useless as tits on a bull, yet they're still absurdly
ubiquitous.  My wife's "new" Quattro wagon puts her somewhere in with 
that
silly mix, but hey, she says she needs AWD--pfft, whatever.  My 
neighbors
have a Ford Exploder and Lincoln Navigator--they're both 2WD!!!  WTF's 
up
with that?


Damn, I'm full of piss n' vinegar this morning.  The Jehovah's 
Witnesses
better not show up at my door, today.

   
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If somebody is going to be too lazy to even change their own oil, they 
should at least look under the car and see if anything is leaking out 
and check the level before the leave the oil change place.

Sunil Hari wrote:
> Friend calls me at 6am today - says her car made this horrible
> "metal-on-metal" noise while on the freeway, a light flashed on the
> dashboard, then promptly died.  She pulled over and called AAA.
> 
> About a week ago, she had her oil changed.  She has driven her car 3-4 times
> since.
> 
> Over the phone, I gave her the bad news about them probably not tightening
> the drain plug and having the oil leak out.  Assuming this is the case (and
> not some other cause), what's her recourse?   She got her oil changed at a
> Valvoline shop.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] this guy is just plain stupid

[LarryT]

Geez!  This guy doesn't mind playing with the truth does he?  A 85300D he 
keeps calling a rare W124 - well - he put it like this >  Yeahm I guess it *is* rare  ,,, 
as in non-exitant.


Hmm  I wonder if my 78 240ZD is the long body or the short one?  Maybe he 
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's

[Sunil Hari]

careful - if you cut them, they won't take blood products, die, and their
estate will try to nail you.

On 4/10/07, Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Yes, I acknowledge that .1% of the population can actually use their
SUV's "functions" .2% of the time, but up here in Western Warshington,
they're about as useless as tits on a bull, yet they're still absurdly
ubiquitous.  My wife's "new" Quattro wagon puts her somewhere in with that
silly mix, but hey, she says she needs AWD--pfft, whatever.  My neighbors
have a Ford Exploder and Lincoln Navigator--they're both 2WD!!!  WTF's up
with that?


Damn, I'm full of piss n' vinegar this morning.  The Jehovah's Witnesses
better not show up at my door, today.


On 4/10/07, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In my case, you are NOT making it up the driveway to get out in the
winter
> without four wheel drive. Repairing the driveway until rainy season is
> over is a waste of time, and it's too long for paving it to be cost
> effective, especially with the heavy stuff I tend to drag around on a
> trailer. A 4matic is nowhere near as cost effective as some 4x4s out
> there.
>
> That aside, wagon bodies are very useful.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Technically OT California Emissions

[Robert & Tara Ludwick]

Lower fuel mileage, poorer performance, and if you don't live in 
California, special order on many parts.


-Robert

Zoltan Finks wrote:

I say it's OT because I'm asking in reference to another make of
vehicle (Saab - we're seling mine and I want another one), but it may
apply to Mercedes as well.

Quesion is: I found one that has, according to seller, California
Emissions. I must admit that all I know of this feature is that it is
touted by Rod Roddy.

I assume it means more junk under the hood, poorer performance, etc.
What about mileage effects? Is keeping the engine in tune more tricky
with CA emmisions?

Thanks,
Brian

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[MBZ] OT: BMW 300 series

[Christopher McCann]

Some auto mag came out with their top ten list recently and for the 13th year 
running, they had the BMW 300 series (2007-13 = 1994). What's the deal with 
these little cars? Are they really good, as in reliable? I see alot of them 
around. When did they come into production? What were the best years and models?

Thanks,

Chris




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I say it's OT because I'm asking in reference to another make of
vehicle (Saab - we're seling mine and I want another one), but it may
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Quesion is: I found one that has, according to seller, California
Emissions. I must admit that all I know of this feature is that it is
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I assume it means more junk under the hood, poorer performance, etc.
What about mileage effects? Is keeping the engine in tune more tricky
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Thanks,
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[MBZ] Desert Crack, VW PU

[Bob Rentfro]

Lookie! I just saved $500 by checking CL!

 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/309335428.html

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That is exactly what I need, too.

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Re: [MBZ] Another reason to do own work

[Dimitri Seretakis]

The sad thing is that it is probably not done out of ignorance.  Probably just 
laziness.  
  Dimitri

Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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the main filter properly in place the bypass does nothing.

At 10:13 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:
>3 years ago I had the oil and filter changed on my 73 220D. Several 
>months later, I changed it myself. I unscrewed the oil filter 
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>oil was not getting filtered for months on end.

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Yes, I acknowledge that .1% of the population can actually use their
SUV's "functions" .2% of the time, but up here in Western Warshington,
they're about as useless as tits on a bull, yet they're still absurdly
ubiquitous.  My wife's "new" Quattro wagon puts her somewhere in with that
silly mix, but hey, she says she needs AWD--pfft, whatever.  My neighbors
have a Ford Exploder and Lincoln Navigator--they're both 2WD!!!  WTF's up
with that?


Damn, I'm full of piss n' vinegar this morning.  The Jehovah's Witnesses
better not show up at my door, today.


On 4/10/07, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In my case, you are NOT making it up the driveway to get out in the winter
> without four wheel drive. Repairing the driveway until rainy season is
> over is a waste of time, and it's too long for paving it to be cost
> effective, especially with the heavy stuff I tend to drag around on a
> trailer. A 4matic is nowhere near as cost effective as some 4x4s out
> there.
>
> That aside, wagon bodies are very useful.
>

Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting

[Jim Cathey]

How much power am I really wasting at the resistor or LM317? I want to 
come in under 5w, how much do I plan for at the resistor?


Given that you aim to run the LED's at a specified current, you can get
awfully close just by using Ohm's law, in this case P-I^2R.  For the
LM317, also you lose 1.5I in it as well.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] 124 shaking in neutral, more observations

[LT Don]

Any change when your foot is or isn't on the brake? Brake booster issue
perhaps?

On 4/10/07, Hans Neureiter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Some more careful observations showed that if I kill the engine at
high enough speed, the thing gets quiet.
There is also a noticeable high amplitude vibration (the sunroof
rattles) when sitting idling at a stop with the tranny in drive. Take
it to neutral, the rpm does not change, but it gets quiet.
Motor mounts, perhaps ?

On 4/5/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Killed the engine, no change.
>
> That should pretty much eliminate anything forwards of
> the middle of the transmission.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] 124 shaking in neutral, more observations

[Peter Frederick]

Motor mounts are easy to check -- if the steel trapezoid isn't visible on the 
bottom side, they are shot.  The bottom rubber must be at least 1" from the 
frame.

You should also check the camshaft -- they are known to be too soft, and some 
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fixes besides a camshaft and rocker arms.  Usually accompanied by "lifter noise.

Could also be bad lifters if it rattles.\

Peter

Re: [MBZ] 124 shaking in neutral, more observations

[E M]

Fro what it's worth, I have the very same thing in a non benz car.  I've
concluded the problem is the motor mounts.  I'll change them in a couple of
weeks and my attention is on the 300E now, just going through it all and
learning the benz way of doing things. :-)  I'll let you know how things
turn out with the mounts, if you haven't done yours already by then.

Ed
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Some more careful observations showed that if I kill the engine at
high enough speed, the thing gets quiet.
There is also a noticeable high amplitude vibration (the sunroof
rattles) when sitting idling at a stop with the tranny in drive. Take
it to neutral, the rpm does not change, but it gets quiet.
Motor mounts, perhaps ?

On 4/5/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> That should pretty much eliminate anything forwards of
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> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's

[Kevin]

In my case, you are NOT making it up the driveway to get out in the winter
without four wheel drive. Repairing the driveway until rainy season is
over is a waste of time, and it's too long for paving it to be cost 
effective, especially with the heavy stuff I tend to drag around on a
trailer. A 4matic is nowhere near as cost effective as some 4x4s out there.

That aside, wagon bodies are very useful.

On Tue, Apr 10, 2007 at 07:46:39AM -0700, Zeitgeist wrote:
> Exactly why is it handy to have an SUV?
> 
> On 4/10/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It is handy to have an SUV.

Re: [MBZ] Desert Crack

[Bob Rentfro]

I thought one of these would be the perfect WVO collection mo-sheen. Trouble 
is, they are wicked expensive if they are not all beat out.


Bob R

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At least the starting bid is low but thats big money for a broken clutch 
cable, worn tires and tattered interior...


I'm trying to convince SWMBO that a bunny-up would be a good third vehicle 
for us. Seems like around here they bring just a shade less than the 
sedan.


-Curt

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Perhaps not.  A non rusty bunny-up?  Those go for a premium
so far as I've seen.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Desert Crack

[Bob Rentfro]

But "white smoke at start"?

Never heard of such a thing.

Bob R


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Perhaps not.  A non rusty bunny-up?  Those go for a premium
so far as I've seen.

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Re: [MBZ] Desert Crack

[Bob Rentfro]

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Perhaps not.  A non rusty bunny-up?  Those go for a premium
so far as I've seen.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Desert Crack

[Curt Raymond]

At least the starting bid is low but thats big money for a broken clutch cable, 
worn tires and tattered interior...

I'm trying to convince SWMBO that a bunny-up would be a good third vehicle for 
us. Seems like around here they bring just a shade less than the sedan.

-Curt

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Perhaps not.  A non rusty bunny-up?  Those go for a premium
so far as I've seen.

-- Jim

   
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Jim Cathey wrote re: the desert crack VW on Ebay:=20

=20

"Perhaps not.  A non rusty bunny-up?  Those go for a premium

so far as I've seen."=20

=20

That thing is a turd.  My grandfather always told me, "You can't polish
a turd and if you try you only end up with a shiny turd."=20

=20

Blows white smoke after he replaced the head?  Warped head or head
gasket - I wonder who told him it was normal-they guy who charged him
$2000 to put in a warped head? =20

=20

=20

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting

[Curt Raymond]

Looks cool. I don't understand hardly any of it but it looks cool...

How much power am I really wasting at the resistor or LM317? I want to come in 
under 5w, how much do I plan for at the resistor?

Anybody seen the Wallace and Grommit short films? I need a copy of "electronics 
for dogs"...

-Curt

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Check out this application note:
AN-H48 Buck-based LED Drivers using the HV9910
http://www.supertex.com/pdf/app_notes/AN-H48.pdf

Looks like a way to get 90% power supply efficiency,
if the design is carefully done.

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Some more careful observations showed that if I kill the engine at
high enough speed, the thing gets quiet.
There is also a noticeable high amplitude vibration (the sunroof
rattles) when sitting idling at a stop with the tranny in drive. Take
it to neutral, the rpm does not change, but it gets quiet.
Motor mounts, perhaps ?

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>
> That should pretty much eliminate anything forwards of
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[MBZ] SUV was re: Off topic Acuras

[Donald Snook]

Zeitgeist wrote: 

 

"Exactly why is it handy to have an SUV?" 

 

Well, I can go to Home Depot and pick up 20 bags of mulch. It is four
wheel drive and this winter we had a couple of nasty storms in which my
car (even with the snow tires) wouldn't go anywhere. When my Mercedes
got stuck in the driveway - in the ice - I used the explorer to pull out
the benz.  Just this past weekend, my mother gave us an old hutch that
belonged to my grandmother and I had to transport it from Springfield,
Missouri to Wichita, Kansas.  I folded down the back seat, loaded it up
and drove home.  

 

I have to take a bunch of tree limbs and other stuff to the dump and I
can hook up my neighbors trailer to the explorer and haul it away.
Besides, (and this is the most important reason) my wife likes it.   A
happy wife makes for a happy life. That is what my father told me. He
has been married three times and is a marriage counselor. So, I guess he
should know.  I think. :-) 

 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K 

1997 Ford Explorer 108K 

Re: [MBZ] Desert Crack

[Jim Cathey]

Perhaps not.  A non rusty bunny-up?  Those go for a premium
so far as I've seen.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Notes from the field: Bench Testing Internal Voltage Regulators

[Jim Cathey]

My question:  Is there a way to bench test an internal VR, prior to
installation?  Resistance?  Continuity?  Smoke?


I'm sure there is, but probably it's not easy.  I think the best
way is to install it in one of those specialized rotary field testers,
then use a voltmeter on the output.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..

[Peter Frederick]

Have you done the full inspection yet?  That is, vac leaks (idle control valve 
hoses, vac lines, boot between air flow sensor flap and throttle body, injector 
seals, and injector holder seals), cap and rotor, ignition wires, etc?  If not, 
it's past time.

Also, the ABS light on all the time meains the OVP relay is toast or the fuse 
is blown -- I'd replace the relay, $60 or so, and it may cure the whole 
problem.  Without it, you won't get cold start valve injection OR cold 
enrichment.

I had similar annoying problems with my Mom's 88 TE, finally cured them all by 
replacing idle control valve hoses (they sometimes split along the mold seam), 
boot, injector and holder seals, and all the vacuum line ends.  I ended up last 
with a hot start problem (backfire, stalled starter, etc) that turned out to be 
a bad cap -- carbon tracking from a camshaft seal and front cover leak.

If original, 'tis time for new ignition wires, too.

Not cheap.

Peter

[MBZ] Desert Crack

[Bob Rentfro]

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So, I shipped the W123 off to Sandy A-go, with daughter in tow--good
riddance (to the car, not her).  Anyhoo, prior to her departure, I R&R'd the
rear shocks, accessory belts, front tires, and voltage regulator.   She gets
down to Centralia where her mom lives and calls me, asking how to start the
car.  It seems that the battery had died.  I swapped in a new VR simply as a
preemptive measure, though it had never experienced any charging issues in
the past--dumb move.  Apparently that new German BAE VR was defunct and
kaput, having left this mortal coil at the factory--it had a build date of
1993.   Yes, I should've tested the voltage output after install, but I was
super-pressed for time, and multi-tasking the whole shebang--my bad.

My question:  Is there a way to bench test an internal VR, prior to
installation?  Resistance?  Continuity?  Smoke?

Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's

[Zeitgeist]

Exactly why is it handy to have an SUV?

On 4/10/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


It is handy to have an SUV.

Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting

[Luther]

Do they have them in standard LED cases?  I'd like to try a couple in the dash
of my Benz's 


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'83 300SD (245 kmi) For Sale
'82 300CD (166 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting '85 donor engine
'85 300D (280,176) parts car-sans engine



Quoting John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Jim Cathey wrote:

If you're dead set on LEDs... look into anything that uses Luxeon
LEDs...  I've played with a 3W one... was VERY bright.  The datasheet
says they output 70-80 lumens.  You'd need a 12V to 3V supply though. 



They look fairly persnickety about what you feed them.  Best to
be careful, I think they run them right on the ragged edge of death. 



I bought one just to tinker with... dumped 3V and 1A into it (current
controlled benchtop supply), and it didn't complain. Couldn't look near
it either... 


Could always use it at 50% rated power... ;-)

John

Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..

[E M]

does the 300E have a combo vacuum and centrificul advance?  Maybe a vacuum
leak if it goes away when warm?  Just a thought.

Ed

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Don,

since the car will fire up and run given proper pedal input and cranking
time, I'm leaning more towards a sensor. Even once it does start it takes
a good couple of minutes about 1800 rpm (or else it will sputter and die)
to warm up to the point where you can let the engine drop back towards
idle. What you're describing would seem to point more at the starting
difficulty, but we seem to have something more along the lines of timing
or fuel management issues during start and for a while once running. The
fact that it works after warming up might also point in the direction of a
sensor - flaky when cold, but works better when warm.

OK Don said:
> I'd check the cold start injector (when cold) to see that it is indeed
> squirting fuel. You remove it from the manifold, re-connect the fuel
> line and wire - hold it over a jar or something to collect the fuel
> (should it be working) - and have Mom crank the engine as if starting
> it. If fuel is coming out - that's not the problem.
> I'm writing all this on the blind assumption that the '87 CIS is very
> simliar to my '78 CIS injection system - YMMV.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting

[Jim Cathey]

Check out this application note:
AN-H48 Buck-based LED Drivers using the HV9910
http://www.supertex.com/pdf/app_notes/AN-H48.pdf

Looks like a way to get 90% power supply efficiency,
if the design is carefully done.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..

[Kevin J. Slater]

Mathieu,

thanks for the pointers. I'm thinking you're correct in looking at the
sensors. Makes sense from the perspective of something failing overnight
(so to speak) and fits in with the symptoms going away after the engine
has warmed up.

You mentioned the temperature sensor for the fuel injection. I can't seem
to find that specifically on Rusty's site although there are a few temp
sensors listed for this car. Any chance you could be more specific or give
me a pointer to find the correct one?

Rusty / Hursty?

...Kevin

Mathieu J.Cama said:
> Kevin,
>
> Things to check:
>
> Check the fuse on the top of the OVP relay. It is a 10 amp ATC fuse.
> This can cause hard starting when cold and explain the ABS light. It is
> a silver "box" relay, located near the battery with a fuse (red) on the
> top of it, iirc on a w124. Sometimes, the OVP will still have its clear
> plastic cover on the top.
>
> Temp sensor for the fuel injection.
>

Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..

[Kevin J. Slater]

Don,

since the car will fire up and run given proper pedal input and cranking
time, I'm leaning more towards a sensor. Even once it does start it takes
a good couple of minutes about 1800 rpm (or else it will sputter and die)
to warm up to the point where you can let the engine drop back towards
idle. What you're describing would seem to point more at the starting
difficulty, but we seem to have something more along the lines of timing
or fuel management issues during start and for a while once running. The
fact that it works after warming up might also point in the direction of a
sensor - flaky when cold, but works better when warm.

OK Don said:
> I'd check the cold start injector (when cold) to see that it is indeed
> squirting fuel. You remove it from the manifold, re-connect the fuel
> line and wire - hold it over a jar or something to collect the fuel
> (should it be working) - and have Mom crank the engine as if starting
> it. If fuel is coming out - that's not the problem.
> I'm writing all this on the blind assumption that the '87 CIS is very
> simliar to my '78 CIS injection system - YMMV.
>
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just
> sit there."
> Will Rogers
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting

[Jim Cathey]

So I spent some time looking at different solutions yesterday and 
discovered that otherpower.com has instructions for making LED lights.


Yes, just know that their power circuits are resistive in nature
(even the constant-current LM317 supply) and operate by burning
excess voltage as heat.  I've yet to see a switching regulator
for LED lighting, though I'm sure they exist.  That would be
best for battery-operated systems.

For example, a 3-LED string runs about 10+ volts, about what
you get from a 'completely dead' 12V lead-acid battery, so the
excess voltage will be burned as heat.  Assuming a fully charged
voltage of 14V, perhaps 25% of the battery's capacity will be
wasted in the resistors and/or LM317.

-- Jim

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"LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I *always* am disappointed when I pay someone to work on one of my
> cars.  I guess I expect them to work for the mosy I give them - and
> to treat the car the way I do when I work on it.  If I see something
> that needs to be done I expect them to tel me they found a problem -
> large or small.  Maybe I expect too much.  But if we accept
> mediocrity that's what the industry will give us.

I have a local indy that I use occasionally for jobs that I just don't
have time and/or tools for.  He only works on Mercedes, and is a
one-man operation, I think his wife does the paperwork.

He is not cheap, but he knows what he's doing, uses MB or OEM parts,
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's

[Donald Snook]

Ok Don wrote: 

 

"Cheap Mercedes knock-off. I've met your wife - she deserves better." 

 

That made me laugh, Don.  Good way to start out the morning.   The funny
thing is she drives a 1997 Explorer and loves it.  I have not been able
to talk her out of it.  That is until a friend of ours told us he had to
replace/rebuild the transmission on his 97 Explorer.   (He had 270,000
miles on his. I didn't tell her that.)  After hearing that, she decided
it might be good to sell it.  The funny thing is, it is a GREAT shape
and has not given us any problems. It only has 108,000 and has been a
great vehicle to own. It is handy to have an SUV. It was the first Ford
I have ever owned and I was reluctant to buy it.   

 

She is not really interested in the Acura, but I thought I could sell
her on it.  It is a nice car.   She will probably still stick with her
Explorer. 

 

So, you want to sell me the 90 124 diesel you have.  I will give you
half what you paid.   

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale) 

1997 Explorer 108K 

Re: [MBZ] Another reason to do own work

[Loren Faeth]

That almost always happened on the OM621 and 615 engines if the owner 
let anyone else change the oil.  But there is an error in the 
statement:  The plastic filter was not the "prefilter" it is the mail 
filter, and the replaceable cartridge is the BYPASS filter.  Without 
the main filter properly in place the bypass does nothing.


At 10:13 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:
3 years ago I had the oil and filter changed on my 73 220D.  Several 
months later, I changed it myself.  I unscrewed the oil filter 
housing and to my horror the prefilter was missing.  Yes, my engine 
oil was not getting filtered for months on end.


Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting

[Curt Raymond]

So I spent some time looking at different solutions yesterday and discovered 
that otherpower.com has instructions for making LED lights.
Then I found I could buy the LEDs themselves on eBay very inexpensively.
So right now it looks like I'll build my own light. For like $20 you get 50 
(yes fifty) LEDs. Then I head over to Radioshack to get some breadboard and 
parts to build a powersupply.
I'll wire up the LEDs in groups of 3 and then figure how many groups of 3 I 
need to get the light output I want. Right now I'm thinking 3 groups of 3 but 
we'll see how it goes.
Then later down the road if I decide I don't like the color temperature its 
easy peasy to add a couple different color bulbs and get it just right...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2007 15:58:31 -0500
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Curt Raymond wrote:
> I think perhaps you're a bit behind on the current LED technology. 
I'm looking at http://store.sundancesolar.com/12v18ledbufo.html
> Its only 40 lumens but that seems to compare well, I found a chart 
with a 15w CF that produces 105 lumens.
> This will only be a reading lamp, I've been using a small battery 
powered flourescent lamp for awhile. Its okay but not great, not focused 
enough really.
>   

Just to throw in my $.02  I'd look into CCFL lights that are 
typically used for case mods, etc.  White ones do exist, but are harder 
to come by than the colored ones.  No idea on wattage or anything 
though...  I think they are certainly bright enough at least (or would 
be with a simple reflector for half of it). 

If you're dead set on LEDs... look into anything that uses Luxeon 
LEDs...  I've played with a 3W one... was VERY bright.  The datasheet 
says they output 70-80 lumens.  You'd need a 12V to 3V supply though. 

http://www.luxeon.com/products/line.cfm?lineId=2

They have brighter ones too... 

G'luck with it!  Little projects like these are great fun :-)

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Oh and again I'm stuck on LEDs for 2 reasons:
1. They're neat
B. They'll last a long long time and don't react badly to cold temps.
CF bulbs in a rustic camp setting in the middle of the winter are not such a 
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Re: [MBZ] clean crack

[Jim Cathey]

I'm interested in knowing how I can get 40 mpg too.


Well Duh!  Buy that car, of course!

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Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work

[Mike Canfield]

I do my own oil change as well.  I'm too cheap to pay someone extra to do it 
wrong.


Mike
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Because many of thier customers must see the oil drain out into the
pan.
Too many would doubt the oil sucker.  Or maybe it's just because drain
pans
require no maintenance or electricity to run.


Every car has a drain plug, whereas only some can use a sucker.
Can the monkeys be trained to do it differently per car?  Is the
cost of an occasional engine less than deploying and maintaining
sucker equipment?  Enquiring minds want to know!

I do my own oil, thank you very much.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

on top behind air cleaner, its a spin on.

John Freer wrote:

And, it's been shown that you evacuate more oil since the pan has a
slight ridge built up around the plug for strength.

All of this presumes that the oil filter is a cannister type at the
top of the engine.don't know where the 300E filter sits.

On 4/9/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I'm new the the benz thing, so the whole idea of oil changes from the
top
end is, well, a little strange.  As for draining from the bottom,
amazed how
many people have a problem.  New crush ring everytime, use a torque
wrench,
what's the big deal?.

That's the beauty of the sucker.  No crush washer, no torque wrench,
no oily hands.  No ramps, jacks, etc.  No removing the bottom noise
belly pan.  You can do the job in a suit if your engine is clean.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting

[Mitch Haley]

Jim Cathey wrote:
> 
> > If you're dead set on LEDs... look into anything that uses Luxeon
> > LEDs...  I've played with a 3W one... was VERY bright.  The datasheet
> > says they output 70-80 lumens.  You'd need a 12V to 3V supply though.
> 
> They look fairly persnickety about what you feed them.  Best to
> be careful, I think they run them right on the ragged edge of death.

They do run right on the edge, that is why a constant current (not constant
voltage) pwm supply is required. Might be interesting to see what the input
voltage limit is on the typical Luxeon Star setup. Heatsinking is important too.

Re: [MBZ] hmmm, ok, well, hmmm

[Hendrik Riessen]

I think the colour depends upon lighting, like my midnight blue 201 which 
looks almost black at night but very blue when the sun is shining on it.
Anyway it is a rusted out money pit for sale by honest Bob, your local 
friendly ebay used car seller. Although his feedback is pretty good for a 
car seller.

It definatley appears to have a V8 under all that dirt.

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It looks like there's 2 cars -- a black one and a burgundy one?  but it
looks only l description.

is he being deceptive?  says its a 6 cyl in one place and the trunk says
it's a 4.5/  Also dsays it a 68 and the 4.5 didn;t start until 71 or 72.

Hm

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)

Re: [MBZ] OT: 12v lighting

[John Robbins]

Jim Cathey wrote:

If you're dead set on LEDs... look into anything that uses Luxeon
LEDs...  I've played with a 3W one... was VERY bright.  The datasheet
says they output 70-80 lumens.  You'd need a 12V to 3V supply though.



They look fairly persnickety about what you feed them.  Best to
be careful, I think they run them right on the ragged edge of death.
  


I bought one just to tinker with... dumped 3V and 1A into it (current 
controlled benchtop supply), and it didn't complain. Couldn't look near 
it either...  

Could always use it at 50% rated power... ;-) 


John

Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work

[John Freer]

And, it's been shown that you evacuate more oil since the pan has a
slight ridge built up around the plug for strength.

All of this presumes that the oil filter is a cannister type at the
top of the engine.don't know where the 300E filter sits.

On 4/9/07, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm new the the benz thing, so the whole idea of oil changes from the
> top
> end is, well, a little strange.  As for draining from the bottom,
> amazed how
> many people have a problem.  New crush ring everytime, use a torque
> wrench,
> what's the big deal?.

That's the beauty of the sucker.  No crush washer, no torque wrench,
no oily hands.  No ramps, jacks, etc.  No removing the bottom noise
belly pan.  You can do the job in a suit if your engine is clean.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] clean crack

[Zoltan Finks]

I'm interested in knowing how I can get 40 mpg too.

Brian
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Re: [MBZ] SL weather

[Jim Cathey]

Raining this morning.  Put the lid back on the car again.  There was
enough vacuum left to lock and unlock the doors again, eight cycles,
even though yesterday I'd demonstrated the repaired system to a
neighbor by cycling the system twice.  The O-ring repair of the door
vacuum valve looks good!  Quite a far cry from only being able to
unlock the car for about an hour after having locked it.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work

[Jim Cathey]

I'm new the the benz thing, so the whole idea of oil changes from the 
top
end is, well, a little strange.  As for draining from the bottom, 
amazed how
many people have a problem.  New crush ring everytime, use a torque 
wrench,

what's the big deal?.


That's the beauty of the sucker.  No crush washer, no torque wrench,
no oily hands.  No ramps, jacks, etc.  No removing the bottom noise
belly pan.  You can do the job in a suit if your engine is clean.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Kap.  Japanese car leather is inferior.  It has a cheap feel to it and 
does not age well.  If I were to buy Japanese, which I wouldn't,  it would be 
an econobox.  I'll leave the luxury to Mercedes.  Nobody's wife, actually 
nobody, deserves to drive an inferior, and unsafe car.
  Dimitri

OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Cheap Mercedes knock-off. I've met your wife - she deserves better.

On 4/9/07, Donald Snook wrote:
> Anyone know anything about the Acura Legend. I am looking at a 1995
> Acura Legend (with 90,000 miles) for my wife. It is cosmetically
> perfect condition. Paint is perfect, leather seats are REALLY nice. I
> have not gotten to drive it or even here it run yet. The Legend is the
> bigger of the Acuras at the time and was replaced by the RL in 1996.
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
> 1990 300SEL 137K



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3 years ago I had the oil and filter changed on my 73 220D.  Several months 
later, I changed it myself.  I unscrewed the oil filter housing and to my 
horror the prefilter was missing.  Yes, my engine oil was not getting filtered 
for months on end.  
  Dimitri

wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Several yrs ago, I drove my Caravan away from Sears after they installed new
tires. As I pulled out of parking lot into street, I heard squeak from lft
frnt wheel; 'knew immediately lugs were loose and eased slowly back around
into space I had just left. Mechanic came out with BIG lug wrench and
started to tighten them with wheel on ground. I made 'im jack it up and
remove wheel so I could inspect wheel, bolts and nuts. Slight bit of
tapered part of nuts had already been worn away. I decided it was
negligible. 'Could have been much worse very quickly.

About 7 yrs ago, I bought friend's 81 300D. 'Next day, I changed oil and
filters. 'Found oil filter and inside of canister DRY - no oil in it -
filter had not been changed in many yrs! Air filter was some off-the-shelf
near nothing that was way too short, therefore, no air filtering. Oil and
air had not been filtered for yrs! 'Told friend about it next day; he had
paid some "fast" lube crook for new filters every 3kmi.

More and more for last couple of yrs as I've become nearly disabled, I've
had to get "pro" garage help. I'm not embarrassed at all to struggle to
front of car and lift hood for a good look at engine compartment before I
drive away. I find something undone, left out or loose EVERY time. Wife
asks, "Why don't you trust ANYBODY?" I reply, "Because they keep giving me
reasons not to."

When somebody else works on your vehicle, ya better look at the area worked
on before ya drive away if possible.

BTW, if it's OK to look over an airplane before I fly it, why shouldn't I
look over a car before I drive away with it, especially if somebody has
worke

Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..

[OK Don]

I'd check the cold start injector (when cold) to see that it is indeed
squirting fuel. You remove it from the manifold, re-connect the fuel
line and wire - hold it over a jar or something to collect the fuel
(should it be working) - and have Mom crank the engine as if starting
it. If fuel is coming out - that's not the problem.
I'm writing all this on the blind assumption that the '87 CIS is very
simliar to my '78 CIS injection system - YMMV.


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Will Rogers
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Re: [MBZ] Another reason to do own work

[John M McIntosh]

Because we've turned into a society where it's expected it's turn key  
and go.
Frowns of disapproval from spouse when checking tire pressure before  
300 mile trip.
Let along asking teens to check fluid levels, engine bay, grease door  
check straps, oh the HORROR



On Apr 9, 2007, at 6:45 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:


Well said.

At 06:35 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:
BTW, if it's OK to look over an airplane before I fly it, why  
shouldn't I
look over a car before I drive away with it, especially if  
somebody has

worked on 'em?

Wilton


Loren Faeth


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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acura's

[OK Don]

Cheap Mercedes knock-off. I've met your wife - she deserves better.

On 4/9/07, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Anyone know anything about the Acura Legend. I am looking at a 1995
Acura Legend (with 90,000 miles) for my wife.  It is cosmetically
perfect condition. Paint is perfect, leather seats are REALLY nice.  I
have not gotten to drive it or even here it run yet.  The Legend is the
bigger of the Acuras at the time and was replaced by the RL in 1996.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K




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Re: [MBZ] Another reason to do own work

[Loren Faeth]

Well said.

At 06:35 PM 4/9/2007, you wrote:

BTW, if it's OK to look over an airplane before I fly it, why shouldn't I
look over a car before I drive away with it, especially if somebody has
worked on 'em?

Wilton


Loren Faeth 

Re: [MBZ] hmmm, ok, well, hmmm

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

and its in an upcoming movie allegedly.

LarryT wrote:
It looks like there's 2 cars -- a black one and a burgundy one?  but it 
looks only l description.


is he being deceptive?  says its a 6 cyl in one place and the trunk says 
it's a 4.5/  Also dsays it a 68 and the 4.5 didn;t start until 71 or 72.


Hm

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Re: [MBZ] hmmm, ok, well, hmmm

[LarryT]

It looks like there's 2 cars -- a black one and a burgundy one?  but it 
looks only l description.


is he being deceptive?  says its a 6 cyl in one place and the trunk says 
it's a 4.5/  Also dsays it a 68 and the 4.5 didn;t start until 71 or 72.


Hm

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Re: [MBZ] Another reason to do own work

[LarryT]

Wilton,
I agree with you completely.  I *always* am disappointed when I pay someone 
to work on one of my cars.  I guess I expect them to work for the mosy I 
give them - and to treat the car the way I do when I work on it.  If I see 
something that needs to be done I expect them to tel me they found a 
problem - large or small.  Maybe I expect too much.  But if we accept 
mediocrity that's what the industry will give us.


I seldom let anyone else work on my cars.  That's one [big] reason I sold 
our perfect 99 Camry and bought a 91 300D.When I opened the hood on the 
camry I didn;t see *any* freakin thing I recognzed,  There's some of that on 
the 91 300D but not nearly as much -


So far, I've been able to repair everything needing work.  I expect it to 
stay that way.  With the Camry it would have gotten worse and worse with 
fewer and fewer things I could work on myself.


Like you, I'm also disabled - I have good days and bad.  When I was younger 
I looked forward to working on my cars - not it;s become more of a chore - 
but I still enjoy it.


Take care -
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Subject: [MBZ] Another reason to do own work


Several yrs ago, I drove my Caravan away from Sears after they installed 
new
tires.  As I pulled out of parking lot into street, I heard squeak from 
lft

frnt wheel; 'knew immediately lugs were loose and eased slowly back around
into space I had just left.  Mechanic came out with BIG lug wrench and
started to tighten them with wheel on ground.  I made 'im jack it up and
remove wheel so I could inspect wheel, bolts and nuts.  Slight bit of
tapered part of nuts had already been worn away.  I decided it was
negligible.  'Could have been much worse very quickly.

About 7 yrs ago, I bought friend's 81 300D.  'Next day, I changed oil and
filters.  'Found oil filter and inside of canister DRY - no oil in it -
filter had not been changed in many yrs!  Air filter was some 
off-the-shelf

near nothing that was way too short, therefore, no air filtering.  Oil and
air had not been filtered for yrs!  'Told friend about it next day; he had
paid some "fast" lube crook for new filters every 3kmi.

More and more for last couple of yrs as I've become nearly disabled, I've
had to get "pro" garage help.  I'm not embarrassed at all to struggle to
front of car and lift hood for a good look at engine compartment before I
drive away.  I find something undone, left out or loose EVERY time.  Wife
asks, "Why don't you trust ANYBODY?"  I reply, "Because they keep giving 
me

reasons not to."

When somebody else works on your vehicle, ya better look at the area 
worked

on before ya drive away if possible.

BTW, if it's OK to look over an airplane before I fly it, why shouldn't I
look over a car before I drive away with it, especially if somebody has
worked on 'em?

Wilton


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Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

you got a point.

Sunil Hari wrote:

she's a girl, forgive her.  I mean, seriously.




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Re: [MBZ] another reason to do your own work

[Sunil Hari]

she's a girl, forgive her.  I mean, seriously.

On 4/9/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


If somebody is going to be too lazy to even change their own oil, they
should at least look under the car and see if anything is leaking out
and check the level before the leave the oil change place.

Sunil Hari wrote:
> Friend calls me at 6am today - says her car made this horrible
> "metal-on-metal" noise while on the freeway, a light flashed on the
> dashboard, then promptly died.  She pulled over and called AAA.
>
> About a week ago, she had her oil changed.  She has driven her car 3-4
times
> since.
>
> Over the phone, I gave her the bad news about them probably not
tightening
> the drain plug and having the oil leak out.  Assuming this is the case
(and
> not some other cause), what's her recourse?   She got her oil changed at
a
> Valvoline shop.
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: New acquisition, for fans of interesting American iron

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 4/9/07, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


OK, but the question is, Why?  As for the roughly 560 performance, you
must have never driven one.  It would blow the doors off this lincoln.
HP is 238, not sure offhand what the torque is, but its quite a bit more
because it has such a large engine.



Do you also ask people with Buick Grand Nationals why they bought them,
Kaleb?Or first-generation Taurus SHOs?  Or Corvette ZR1s?  There's
American cars and then there's American cars.  I doubt I could have got much
more fun for the dozen Benjamins I shelled out for this thing.

Like Kevin said, the power-to-weight ratio is practically the same as the
560---my point was that they both have that torquey big V-8 feel.
Self-leveling, too!

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII

[MBZ] this guy is just plain stupid

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL,
 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..

[LarryT]

isn't there a Warm Up Regulator (WUR) that does something to the mixture 
(probably acts like a choke) while cold and leans the mixture back to normal 
when it warms up?


as with all back boxes once the magic smoke gets out they stop working and I 
for one have no idea how to diagnose their secrets.


Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Mom's 87 300E hard starting puzzler..



my $200 87 300E was doing that exact same thing, then the next day
cleared up and has not done is since.

Kevin J. Slater wrote:

I have a plea for the list. I'm trying to keep my Mom's 87 300E on the
road and I only get word when things are bad. Recently she called to tell
me that one day she went to start the car (was probably about 50 F that
day) and it would turn over easily but it wouldn't catch and run. She
stated that the day before all was fine and dandy. She managed to get it
started and came down to my house. She was there for several hours and we
went out to start it in my driveway.

When you could get it to catch and run it ran very rough unless you took
the tach up to about 1800 - 2000 rpms where upon it would smooth out. If
you dropped it down into the 1000 rpm range, if you could keep it from
stalling, it bucked and I could intermittently hear something  like a
backfiring sound through the air cleaner (I was standing outside the 
car).

If you kept the engine in that higher rpm range for about 5 minutes until
the coolant temp came up to about 60 C, then it would run pretty much
normally at all rpm ranges. Once warmed up there was no loss of power or
misfiring that I could detect.

I checked the air filter and it seemed normal enough. Not sure what to
check next. She did mention that her ABS light has come on now and 
doesn't

go off. I could be connected or just a weird coincidence. She added fuel
injector cleaner prior to coming down to my house (about 35 miles of
highway). I thought about changing out the fuel filter, but that doesn't
make sense in light of the improvement in running once warmed up.

I would appreciate any ideas. The rest of the family is anxious to get 
her

into some other car which she won't be able to afford and no doubt will
turn out to be a death trap tin can.

...Kevin
79 240D
87 300TD



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 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
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Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acuras

[Sunil Hari]

knock off $1000 if timing belt hasn't been done.  But if you feel $5500 is
worth it, buy it.  My friend paid $2500 for his 1991 Legend coupe (5 speed,
no options) 3 years ago, but it had some issues (ABS light on, cracked
moonroof, 180Kmi, some wheel well rust, etc)


On 4/9/07, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Do the timing belts diligently. It's cheap peace of mind.

Bob R


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From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acuras


> Andrew wrote regarding the Acura I am looking at:
>
>
>
> "If you tell us the asking price we can opine intelligently on whether
> it is
>
> a good buy or not."
>
>
>
> The seller wants $5500.  I think that is a good deal given the condition
> and the low mileage. I forgot about the timing belt. I better check to
> see if that has been done.
>
>
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
> 1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)
>
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[MBZ] clean crack

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL,
 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

Re: [MBZ] OT: New acquisition, for fans of interesting American iron

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 4/9/07, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yes, the 560 has a more powerful engine, but the 126 is a lot heavier car
than a fox chassis thunderbird. Oh, sorry. Lincoln Mark VII :)



Yeah, yeah.  ;)   I almost bought a T-Bird Turbo, but I think the air
suspension is cool, and the seats are more comfortable in the Lincoln.

I've been around 302s in big cars that will eat a 560 SEL for lunch,

catch being an 86 is speed density so it falls into the black hole between
a mass air setup that has lots of aftermarket support, and the carbed 302s
which the sky was the limit.



If I want that much power I'll just buy a crate engine...

Some of those were available with the BMW 524td engine if you're a real

glutton for punishment.



Yeah, I almost bought one of those.  Check out www.mye28.com to see people
modding the engine a la the Finns and their 60x Benzes---intercoolers, etc.



Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
'86 Lincoln Mark VII

Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acuras

[Bob Rentfro]

Do the timing belts diligently. It's cheap peace of mind.

Bob R 



- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2007 4:49 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Off Topic Acuras


Andrew wrote regarding the Acura I am looking at: 




"If you tell us the asking price we can opine intelligently on whether
it is

a good buy or not." 




The seller wants $5500.  I think that is a good deal given the condition
and the low mileage. I forgot about the timing belt. I better check to
see if that has been done.   






Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 137K (For Sale)

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[MBZ] cheap SDL

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL,
 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com

[MBZ] hmmm, ok, well, hmmm

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-SE-4-5-280-SE-4-5-MOVIE-STAR-CALL-BOBBY-TO-MAKE-GREAT-DEAL-NOW_W0QQitemZ180105305318QQihZ008QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL,
 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.okiebenz.com