[MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog

2007-09-13 Thread JFreezn
This seems like a deal and may be just what some of you have been looking  
for.  Page 11 shows item # 168100-1801 at $1299.  Peak load is 6500  watts and 
it comes with electric start and a battery.  Shipping weight is  377 pounds so 
proximity to Northern is probably a plus, though it does say  factory 
shipping.  Punch it up at _www.northerntool.com_ (http://www.northerntool.com) 
 
Looks like a nice package- no affiliation.  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 264 K miles 
98 ML 320, 151 K  miles




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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Kevin Kraly
Kirby's are great machines as long as you use them as vacuum cleaners  stay 
away from all of the extras.

I second that!  Also, it's better to have one on each floor rather than 
transporting one up and down the stairs.  Wifey was going to throw her Kirby 
Heritage II away when we moved in together, but I decided to resurrect it. 
$50 including a new belt and roller brush and it was in business again. 
They're kind of like the old Mercedes of vacuums.  When we moved to a 
2-story house, I bought another one for upstairs.  I've bought several at 
Goodwill and fixed them up just like the first one.  I've since found out 
that the brush rollers are serviceable, so I took them apart, cleaned and 
lubed them, and put them back together with wonderful results only costing 
me my time and a few cents.  Gotta love those Catheyesque repairs!

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die Kiste 


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Kevin Kraly
the Dyson I bought 5 years ago sucks circles around
Kirby. Those Dysons are da bomb. They are a must if you have dogs or cats.

I second that one too!  I decided to buy one to use in our temporary 
apartment.  We have two dogs and two cats in an 1100 square foot apartment, 
and the hair is everywhere!  The Dyson helps greatly with this, and the 
exhaust is filtered too which is a must with the poor air circulation in the 
apartment.  It doesn't weigh a whole lot less than the Kirby, but it's way 
more maneuverable.

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die Kiste 


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Luther
During my college days, I spent almost 2 years as the servicemaster repairman. 
I saw many things take out a vacuum cleaner, the most interesting was a penny. 
The damn thing shattered the impeller and got sucked into the motor windings
where it's death was marked with fireworks.  After replacing the impeller and
motor, I dismantled the motor to find that plastic mountings in the case were
broken before the penny made it to the motor windings where it cut nearly 1
inch of windings. 
If I remember correctly, this was the same cleaning lady that tripped a 
breaker
when she vacuumed over her own cord and it rubbed away the outer 
insulation AND
the insulation of hot and ground.  UGH!  I SO wanted to garnish her wages
for the repairs she caused our equipment. 

-- 
Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
'87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
'85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast
'82 300CD (166 kmi)
'82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
'85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine



Quoting Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Probably the motor bearings. 

 Peter





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Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family

2007-09-13 Thread Mitch Haley
Jim Cathey wrote:
 
  Actually, you are wrong! These wheels do fit.  I know because
 
 I bought a set of 201 wheels once to put on a 107.  The
 center star popped right out when I put the first wheel
 on, the hub poked right through.  That was embarrassing,
 costly, and time-wasting.  How better to learn?

A friend of mine bought some early 80's Colt Hatchback
wheels for his late 80's Colt Vista. Took them to the
tire store to have snow tires mounted. Before you mount
the tires, could you make sure these wheels fit? Sure thing.
I could tell from ten feet away that the hatchback wheels
had more offset. Tire store bozo probably checked the bolt
pattern before he mounted the snow tires and air-wrenched 
a front wheel onto the car. The wheel wouldn't turn because
it was binding hard on the caliper. They dismounted the
tires and gave him a refund. As it turns out, they should
have bought him a new caliper too, they bent it and it
would not release the disk.  

As for the Snook situation, now you know why the mechanic
who bought the 126 wants the set of 126 wheels, and intends
to take the 124 wheels off the 126 and put them on a 124.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Post Falls SL

2007-09-13 Thread Jim Cathey
Of course, if it's still dark outside I can't do those other tasks,
so if I'm up at 4 AM I can justify working on the car, right?
Time to check the Bucket-O-Death.

It's done a fine job on the part that fit into the bucket.  But the
grille is large and looks like it needs about four treatments.  The
other end can go into the bucket and won't need long to treat, but
there is some rust inside along the top and bottom.  I think I can
just lay the grille on its face and fill the channels with electrolyte
and suspend sacrificial anode wire in them.  We'll see.  I put the
other end of the grille into the bucket for now, we'll deal with the
middle parts later.

I put some metallic gray paint on the glued cracks in the plastic
grille pieces.  That disguises them a bit.

Still dark outside.  I went to the car and tested the kickdown
solenoid (using the handy new Harbor Freight meter), which can be
diagnosed from the (still-exposed) fuel pump relay socket.  When
actuated it measures about 15 ohms from pin 87k to 31 and
infinity when not actuated, which sounds about right, and
when the meter is connected on the 10A scale between pins 87k and 30
it records 870mA when actuated and you can hear a quiet 'click' from
the transmission.  If the fuel pump relay is enabling the 87k output
and the kickdown switch isn't working there's nothing to blame except
the transmission itself.  (The handy new cheap meter is very slow to
react, unlike the decidedly not-cheap Fluke that I usually use.)

So I got some phone wire and lassoed pins 31 and 87k of the fuel pump
relay and plugged the it back in.  I hooked the voltmeter to the wires
and started the car.  It measured power, and when I poked the kickdown
switch with my toe I could see the voltage drop a few hundred
millivolts indicating that the solenoid was drawing current.  Well, if
it's not doing what I expect (forcing a downshift from 2-1 when I poke
the switch with my toe) either the tranny is ill or it's not
_supposed_ to do that.  (This trick does work on everything
else I've tried it on, but MB has incorporated a lot of minor
variations into their various transmissions.)  I'll test it again on
the road this morning, but most likely I'm done with this.

Oh look, it's light.  Time to do something else.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Curt Raymond

You'll never be truely impressed with a vac until you have central vac...
Our house has it and the first time it grabbed one of those plastic grocery 
bags I thought oh crap!
The pipe from the wall port to the vac itself is about 30' long and snakes 
around my basement (wierdest install ever) and would you believe that thing can 
pull a plastic bag through that in about 5 seconds?
Its amazing. I emptied the can the day before yesterday for the first time 
since we bought the house a year ago. Found probably 3 plastic bags in it...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:12:18 -0400
From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on
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my mother is coming to visit, so i figure it's time to bust out old
 kirby
and go over the carpet a bit.  kirby has always been loud, but tonight
 he
simply screams bloody murder.  i smell a little burning smell.  and
 then i
see some spark and flame inside the motor housing.  but as it keeps
 sucking
up dirt, i keep vacuuming.  i do this for another minute or so and then
realize that what i am doing is insane.

now i've heard here that kirby's are really not that good and they are
 a
pure ripoff, etc.  i've heard it all before,  but i'm still impressed.

guess i'll need to take it apart this weekend to see what has gone
 awry.

   
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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread John Robbins
Curt Raymond wrote:
 You'll never be truely impressed with a vac until you have central
 vac... Our house has it and the first time it grabbed one of those
 plastic grocery bags I thought oh crap! The pipe from the wall port
 to the vac itself is about 30' long and snakes around my basement
 (wierdest install ever) and would you believe that thing can pull a
 plastic bag through that in about 5 seconds? Its amazing. I emptied
 the can the day before yesterday for the first time since we bought
 the house a year ago. 

I've been wanting to install one of those systems for awhile now...  but 
have too many other projects.  I've got hardwood floors and two cats... 
so the cat hair is really noticeable (think roaming dust bunnies). 
Uprights are just silly for hardwood, and they don't make good cannister 
vacuums anymore.  They are all bagless and have those stupid HEPA 
filters that you can never find replacements for.  There are some top 
of the line cannisters (Dyson makes one I think), but if I'm going to 
spend $500 on a vacuum cleaner it will be a central system.

  Found probably 3 plastic bags in it...

Whats with the plastic bags on the floor? ;)

John


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Gary Hurst
my thought as well.  i sucked up quite a few pennies with that thing without
understanding why this is bad.  i didn't get this idea that the penny went
through the fan and the motor.  i just figured they went straight to the bag
or something.



On 9/13/07, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 During my college days, I spent almost 2 years as the servicemaster
 repairman.
 I saw many things take out a vacuum cleaner, the most interesting was a
 penny.
 The damn thing shattered the impeller and got sucked into the motor
 windings
 where it's death was marked with fireworks.  After replacing the impeller
 and
 motor, I dismantled the motor to find that plastic mountings in the case
 were
 broken before the penny made it to the motor windings where it cut nearly
 1
 inch of windings.
 If I remember correctly, this was the same cleaning lady that tripped a
 breaker
 when she vacuumed over her own cord and it rubbed away the outer
 insulation AND
 the insulation of hot and ground.  UGH!  I SO wanted to garnish her
 wages
 for the repairs she caused our equipment.

 --
 Luther   KB5QHUAlma, Ark
 '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
 '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast
 '82 300CD (166 kmi)
 '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
 '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine



 Quoting Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

  Probably the motor bearings.
 
  Peter
 
 



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Re: [MBZ] OT the travails of a 2 ford family

2007-09-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 9/12/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 He's not much of a Mercedes mechanic if he doesn't know that 124 and
 126 wheels are not interchangeable (the offsets are very different).



 Actually, you are wrong! These wheels do fit.  I know because I have
 been driving on them for the last several months. The 8 hole wheels came
 off of a 1994 E320 wagon.  We put them on my 126 without any problems.
 They are genuine Mercedes wheels.


No, I am right.  But I can clarify.  Like OK Don said, bolting on
and fitting are two different things. It's a simple matter of fact
that the offsets are different enough to cause trouble.

124 wheels will NOT fit on a 126, 107, or 123 without spacers 15 mm
thick or so on the hubs.  Otherwise they will contact the brake discs
and front suspension.

126 wheels MIGHT fit on a 124 in the sense of being able to be bolted
on successfully, but they will stick out much farther than the stock
wheels, and I'd expect them to contact the inner fenders at full
steering lock and perhaps also at full spring compression.

Either way the result is not what Mercedes intended and the ride and
handling characteristics of the car will be significantly worse, which
is unsafe in the short term and leads to increased suspension wear in
the long term.  The spacers are especially dangerous---penny-wise and
pound-foolish.

The bottom line is, use the wheels meant for the car.  Mercedes
engineers (at least in the old days) shared parts across chassis
whenever possible (as we all know from seeing how many parts ordered
for a 124, for example, have 201 part numbers).  If there are
different versions for different cars of something superficially
identical (like the 15-hole flatface rims) it's probably for a good
reason.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog

2007-09-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 9/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 This seems like a deal and may be just what some of you have been looking
 for.  Page 11 shows item # 168100-1801 at $1299.  Peak load is 6500  watts and
 it comes with electric start and a battery.  Shipping weight is  377 pounds so
 proximity to Northern is probably a plus, though it does say  factory
 shipping.  Punch it up at _www.northerntool.com_ (http://www.northerntool.com)

That's the lowest price by far I've seen on a Chinese diesel generator
package of that wattage.  Wonder how that compares to the Original
China Diesel sold by a number of vendors online for $2500 or so (e.g.
http://www.hardydiesel.com/gen/8kw.html).  I'd like to buy a generator
in the 6-8kw range for backup power at my new house (and fabricating
one from a surplus 240D or VW engine, while appealing, is beyond my
skills or time available right now).

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog

2007-09-13 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
There's a few factories in China making those generators like the NT one 
, then different retailers just get them painted different colours and 
have their sticker popped on. If you dig around on ebay, there's a 
seller who has them for $800 with the remote and automatic transfer 
switch to make it come on when the power fails, and his shipping costs 
are pretty close to what NT charges ( at least to here ))

I snoozed on one of those Chanfa china diesel generators like on the 
hardy site. I missed a used one on Craigslist in Memphis for $300  and 
it went on ebay for about $600
Those things appear to be well built, but they are seriously heavy.

I'm trying to find an affordable quiet diesel generator for  dual 
purpose , hauling around with the 5th wheel for camping, and around the 
house, but I have to find one light enough to be able to manuver up to a 
rack over the cab ( or build an A frame to winch it on and off , trying 
to avoid that)

-Robert

Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 On 9/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 This seems like a deal and may be just what some of you have been looking
 for.  Page 11 shows item # 168100-1801 at $1299.  Peak load is 6500  watts 
 and
 it comes with electric start and a battery.  Shipping weight is  377 pounds 
 so
 proximity to Northern is probably a plus, though it does say  factory
 shipping.  Punch it up at _www.northerntool.com_ 
 (http://www.northerntool.com)
 

 That's the lowest price by far I've seen on a Chinese diesel generator
 package of that wattage.  Wonder how that compares to the Original
 China Diesel sold by a number of vendors online for $2500 or so (e.g.
 http://www.hardydiesel.com/gen/8kw.html).  I'd like to buy a generator
 in the 6-8kw range for backup power at my new house (and fabricating
 one from a surplus 240D or VW engine, while appealing, is beyond my
 skills or time available right now).

 Alex Chamberlain
 '87 300D Turbo et al.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog

2007-09-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 9/13/07, Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Those things appear to be well built, but they are seriously heavy.

 I'm trying to find an affordable quiet diesel generator for  dual
 purpose , hauling around with the 5th wheel for camping, and around the
 house, but I have to find one light enough to be able to manuver up to a
 rack over the cab ( or build an A frame to winch it on and off , trying
 to avoid that)

If I get one of the Chinese ones or something similar, it is just
going to sit on a pad out back, so weight is not a concern for me.  Of
course it is for your purposes.  But isn't 6500KW overkill for a 5th
wheel, even a big one?

Alex

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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick


Kirbys aren't a ripoff, they are a pretty impressive machine. And unlike 
most other brands, you can still get parts for any of them, no matter 
how old.
We've got one from the 50's that I've had forever, still runs great, but 
I didn't like having to dump the cloth bag with my allergies, and i 
found a newer G3 at the state resale ( where all the state agencies take 
their old unwanted or broken stuff to sell to the public ) and I found 
one with a stuck step switch from one of the nearby colleges , for $25. 
Only thing wrong with it was someone had stomped the pedal too hard and 
knocked it off the pins ( the state could have got it fixed for free, 
the Kirby dealer doesn't charge for repairs unless parts are involved ).
It's nice because the super duper allergy bags for the new ones , fit 
the old ones, and those things are easily repaired, and parts easy to 
find. There's big janitorial supply that has parts and doesn't mark them 
up like the dealers do.

As far as service, My wife, who has the talent of being able to break 
anything ( she figures we were made for each other , she can break 
anything and I can fix anything :-) managed to somehow break the drive 
axle on the thing. When I went to get a new one, the parts place said 
they'd never seen one break, and when they called the factory to order 
one, found out that  nobody else had managed to break one on one of 
those models either, and they didn't have any, but they said they would. 
It took about 3 weeks, but they tooled up and made a new one ( and it 
was like the new style ones, slightly improved design , looks like they 
just had to make a few custom modifications to it )  and no extra cost.
When I got back from the vacuum shop, I stopped by the Hallmark shop and 
got my wife a card of congratulations  for  succeeding where all others 
have failed :-)

I'll have to agree on the stairs though, with a three story house, 
vacuuming operations on different floors are planned out ahead of time.

---Robert

Gary Hurst wrote:
 my mother is coming to visit, so i figure it's time to bust out old kirby
 and go over the carpet a bit.  kirby has always been loud, but tonight he
 simply screams bloody murder.  i smell a little burning smell.  and then i
 see some spark and flame inside the motor housing.  but as it keeps sucking
 up dirt, i keep vacuuming.  i do this for another minute or so and then
 realize that what i am doing is insane.

 now i've heard here that kirby's are really not that good and they are a
 pure ripoff, etc.  i've heard it all before,  but i'm still impressed.

 guess i'll need to take it apart this weekend to see what has gone awry.
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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread LarryT
Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the lust 
for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s - 
like the S320 perhaps?  Seems like a lot around.

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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- Original Message - 
From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] rod bender


 The ideal would be one that has a replacement MB engine installed.

 The rods that Rusty sells should be the correct, stronger ones.

 Tom
 www.kegkits.com

 Original Message
 From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 09/06/07 10:59 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] rod bender
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
 OK, do say a person was wanting to buy a rod bender 140.  Would that
 person be better off buying one with say 135k-160k, or say one with
 over
 200k?  Seems to me like if its still going after 200k, its probably
 not
 going to have any problems.  If its got 135k, that is about when the
 rods bend of they are going to.  What about replacing the rods
 beforehand?  Are the rods you get from Rusty etc improved and not
 flawed?

 I'd buy the one with perfect compression and leakdown numbers.

 Tom,
 Also feeling the pull of the 140

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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Rich Thomas
Get a Roomba (vacuuming robot).  Aside from doing a pretty good job with 
minimal intervention, it could provide hours of amusement and torture 
for your felines.  The new ones have provisions to be programmed to do 
all sorts of things (like outfitting with a vid cam).

--R

John Robbins wrote:


 I've been wanting to install one of those systems for awhile now...  but 
 have too many other projects.  I've got hardwood floors and two cats... 
 so the cat hair is really noticeable (think roaming dust bunnies). 
 Uprights are just silly for hardwood, and they don't make good cannister 
 vacuums anymore.  
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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Gary Hurst
i've looked at those in pictures.  i have a dog and a cat and wonder if it
wouldn't drive them nuts

On 9/13/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Get a Roomba (vacuuming robot).  Aside from doing a pretty good job with
 minimal intervention, it could provide hours of amusement and torture
 for your felines.  The new ones have provisions to be programmed to do
 all sorts of things (like outfitting with a vid cam).

 --R

 John Robbins wrote:
 
 
  I've been wanting to install one of those systems for awhile now...  but
  have too many other projects.  I've got hardwood floors and two cats...
  so the cat hair is really noticeable (think roaming dust bunnies).
  Uprights are just silly for hardwood, and they don't make good cannister
  vacuums anymore.
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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread billr
We got one of those because my cousins [neither of whom can walk very well] 
really liked theirs.  We used ours for several weeks and took it back for a 
more traditional model.  Too many problems with getting caught under some 
furniture and in the corner of the kitchen, and it tried to eat the edges of 
some small rugs.  I figured that by the time I got things properly set for it I 
could vacuum with a much stronger vac in about the same time.  Your experience 
might well vary, and the technology might be better now ours was two years ago.
BillR

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To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

i've looked at those in pictures.  i have a dog and a cat and wonder if it
wouldn't drive them nuts

On 9/13/07, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Get a Roomba (vacuuming robot).  Aside from doing a pretty good job with
 minimal intervention, it could provide hours of amusement and torture
 for your felines.  The new ones have provisions to be programmed to do
 all sorts of things (like outfitting with a vid cam).

 --R

 John Robbins wrote:
 
 
  I've been wanting to install one of those systems for awhile now...  but
  have too many other projects.  I've got hardwood floors and two cats...
  so the cat hair is really noticeable (think roaming dust bunnies).
  Uprights are just silly for hardwood, and they don't make good cannister
  vacuums anymore.
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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Redghost
When I remodeled our 80 year old house I installed whole house vac.   
Best thing in the world.

I sourced the vac at auction and paid $150 instead of the thousands  
it would have cost retail.  Kept it in the garage awaiting demo of  
the upper story and open walls, then plumbed it in while the roof was  
being put on.  Once we were fully done, spent a few bucks at the vac  
store for the missing brush and have been making lego and other kid  
bits disappear.




On 13 Sep 2007, at 06:58, John Robbins wrote:

 Curt Raymond wrote:
 You'll never be truely impressed with a vac until you have central
 vac... Our house has it and the first time it grabbed one of those
 plastic grocery bags I thought oh crap! The pipe from the wall port
 to the vac itself is about 30' long and snakes around my basement
 (wierdest install ever) and would you believe that thing can pull a
 plastic bag through that in about 5 seconds? Its amazing. I emptied
 the can the day before yesterday for the first time since we bought
 the house a year ago.

 I've been wanting to install one of those systems for awhile  
 now...  but
 have too many other projects.  I've got hardwood floors and two  
 cats...
 so the cat hair is really noticeable (think roaming dust bunnies).
 Uprights are just silly for hardwood, and they don't make good  
 cannister
 vacuums anymore.  They are all bagless and have those stupid HEPA
 filters that you can never find replacements for.  There are some top
 of the line cannisters (Dyson makes one I think), but if I'm going to
 spend $500 on a vacuum cleaner it will be a central system.

 Found probably 3 plastic bags in it...

 Whats with the plastic bags on the floor? ;)

 John

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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread Mitch Haley


LarryT wrote:
 
 Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the lust
 for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s -
 like the S320 perhaps?  Seems like a lot around.

Who cares? When it's time for a valve job or an engine computer fails,
swap in a turbo OM603 or OM606.

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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread dave walton
I'd like to hear from anyone who has done that kind of swap before.

-Dave Walton


On 9/13/07, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 LarryT wrote:
 
  Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the lust
  for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s -
  like the S320 perhaps?  Seems like a lot around.

 Who cares? When it's time for a valve job or an engine computer fails,
 swap in a turbo OM603 or OM606.

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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread Marshall Booth
LarryT wrote:
 Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the lust 
 for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s - 
 like the S320 perhaps?  Seems like a lot around.

The engine in the S320 was the same engine in the E320. Nice engine, but 
the head gasket tended to need replacing at ~ 90kmi. Absolutely nothing 
common about the diesel and gas engines. The 140 is a money pit. Lots of 
wonderful features and it drives like a dream, BUT it's expensive to 
maintain.

Marshall
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[MBZ] Wheel fitting Was re: OT the travails of a 2 ford family

2007-09-13 Thread Donald Snook
Alex Chamberlin wrote: 

 

No, I am right.  But I can clarify.  Like OK Don said, bolting on and
fitting are two different things. It's a simple matter of fact that
the offsets are different enough to cause trouble.

 

124 wheels will NOT fit on a 126, 107, or 123 without spacers 15 mm
thick or so on the hubs.  Otherwise they will contact the brake discs
and front suspension. 

 

Let me see if I can be more clear about this.  My 126 had 124 wheels
that came off a 1994 E320 Wagon.  They did indeed fit! I drove 10,000
miles on the car with those wheels.  I DID NOT have spacers on them and
they DID NOT contact the discs or front suspension.  

 

Previously, I thought exactly as you did. At least until we put them on
the car drove around the block looked then at them on a lift and they
did not contact anything - no matter how hard I turned the wheel or what
the angle of departure was or any other variable.  The wheels worked
perfectly. They were on the car for over a year. 

 

Alex also wrote Either way the result is not what Mercedes intended and
the ride and handling characteristics of the car will be significantly
worse. 

 

How do you know that the ride and handling will be WORSE rather
different or *gasp* better?   

 

If you are saying that because of the different offset, the handling is
somehow affected (in some way positive or negative), then you may be
right.  HOWEVER, I noticed NO difference in handling or performance.
Perhaps it is not ideal to use 124 wheels on a 126, does not mean that
a) they won't fit or b) it adversely affects the car.   

 

Donald H. Snook

2001 Ford Expedition 

 

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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread Mitch Haley


dave walton wrote:
 
 I'd like to hear from anyone who has done that kind of swap before.

Only in the back of my mind, but I'd use the motor mounts/arms from
the 350SD and an injection pump for a '86-87 603 engine, and splice
in enough wiring harness to make the glow plugs and idle circuit work.
I'm assuming that you'd have room for the W124 or W126 engine accessories,
but if not, it shouldn't be too hard to come up with 350SD compressor,
alternator, etc. mounts.

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[MBZ] OT 1994 BMW 325 (E36) Front Struts

2007-09-13 Thread George Larribeau
Any one know of a list like this on but for BMW (cars). I need to replace the 
front struts on the Wife's car. I have the Haynes paper book and an Electronic 
copy of the Bentley Repair Manual. The differences are interesting. The 
'little' stuff is that, in the Bentley documentation it is noted that a number 
of the bolts should not be reused. I call that little because I normally go on 
the conservative side. (just get new bolts). However the Bentley procedure 
removes the strut with searing knuckle attached. The Haynes book leaves the 
searing knuckle attached to the suspension and just unbolts the bottom of the 
strut from it. If I had no book and just went for it looking at it and having 
don a few struts on other beasts that is how I would handle it. Any Ideas on 
where to look for an answer on this? BTW I have a spring compressor (KD I 
think) that should handle this but I have not totally checked that out yet. 
Will find another if necessary)

George Larribeau
Dallas Texas
 
 
1985 300SD 220K
1987 HD FLHTC 90K, Bent 2 I
1984 Motoguzzi Cal -2 80K
1972 Motoguzzi Ambassador LOTS
1965 Chevy C-10 pick up truck lots of miles 3rd small block ..(Extra
 Ugly,but runs)
 
 
1993 BMW 323i  125K (Wife's Car)
1967 BMW R50/2 (Wife's MC, currently in a Basket, Getting Better)
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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Curt Raymond

In my case I knocked one out of the paper bag of 'em by the trash can. I 
stooped to pick it up and got the hose to close SLURP.
I dunno who (my wife or the PO) got the other two.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:58:46 -0500
From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on
 vacuuming
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Curt Raymond wrote:
 You'll never be truely impressed with a vac until you have central
 vac... Our house has it and the first time it grabbed one of those
 plastic grocery bags I thought oh crap! The pipe from the wall port
 to the vac itself is about 30' long and snakes around my basement
 (wierdest install ever) and would you believe that thing can pull a
 plastic bag through that in about 5 seconds? Its amazing. I emptied
 the can the day before yesterday for the first time since we bought
 the house a year ago. 

I've been wanting to install one of those systems for awhile now...
  but 
have too many other projects.  I've got hardwood floors and two cats...
 
so the cat hair is really noticeable (think roaming dust bunnies). 
Uprights are just silly for hardwood, and they don't make good
 cannister 
vacuums anymore.  They are all bagless and have those stupid HEPA 
filters that you can never find replacements for.  There are some top 
of the line cannisters (Dyson makes one I think), but if I'm going to 
spend $500 on a vacuum cleaner it will be a central system.

  Found probably 3 plastic bags in it...

Whats with the plastic bags on the floor? ;)

John

   
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Re: [MBZ] Wheel fitting Was re: OT the travails of a 2 ford family

2007-09-13 Thread archer
 Alex Chamberlin wrote:
 No, I am right.  But I can clarify.  Like OK Don said, bolting on and
 fitting are two different things. It's a simple matter of fact that
 the offsets are different enough to cause trouble.

 124 wheels will NOT fit on a 126, 107, or 123 without spacers 15 mm
 thick or so on the hubs.  Otherwise they will contact the brake discs
 and front suspension.

 Let me see if I can be more clear about this.  My 126 had 124 wheels
 that came off a 1994 E320 Wagon.  They did indeed fit! I drove 10,000
 miles on the car with those wheels.  I DID NOT have spacers on them and
 they DID NOT contact the discs or front suspension.

 Previously, I thought exactly as you did. At least until we put them on
 the car drove around the block looked then at them on a lift and they
 did not contact anything - no matter how hard I turned the wheel or what
 the angle of departure was or any other variable.  The wheels worked
 perfectly. They were on the car for over a year.

 Alex also wrote Either way the result is not what Mercedes intended and
 the ride and handling characteristics of the car will be significantly
 worse.

 How do you know that the ride and handling will be WORSE rather
 different or *gasp* better?

 If you are saying that because of the different offset, the handling is
 somehow affected (in some way positive or negative), then you may be
 right.  HOWEVER, I noticed NO difference in handling or performance.
 Perhaps it is not ideal to use 124 wheels on a 126, does not mean that
 a) they won't fit or b) it adversely affects the car.
 Donald H. Snook
 2001 Ford Expedition

Could this and numerous other disagreements be due to the fact that Mercedes 
assumes their cars are going to be driven 100+ mph on the autobahn?  At 100 
mph there may be differences in handling with non-specified wheels.
Gerry Archer
'83 300D and 240D


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Gary Hurst
so i figured i might as well look at the fire some more and ran the vac.
ran about another 30 seconds and died.  oops  :(

On 9/13/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 In my case I knocked one out of the paper bag of 'em by the trash can. I
 stooped to pick it up and got the hose to close SLURP.
 I dunno who (my wife or the PO) got the other two.

 -Curt

 Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:58:46 -0500
 From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on
 vacuuming
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

 Curt Raymond wrote:
  You'll never be truely impressed with a vac until you have central
  vac... Our house has it and the first time it grabbed one of those
  plastic grocery bags I thought oh crap! The pipe from the wall port
  to the vac itself is about 30' long and snakes around my basement
  (wierdest install ever) and would you believe that thing can pull a
  plastic bag through that in about 5 seconds? Its amazing. I emptied
  the can the day before yesterday for the first time since we bought
  the house a year ago.

 I've been wanting to install one of those systems for awhile now...
   but
 have too many other projects.  I've got hardwood floors and two cats...

 so the cat hair is really noticeable (think roaming dust bunnies).
 Uprights are just silly for hardwood, and they don't make good
 cannister
 vacuums anymore.  They are all bagless and have those stupid HEPA
 filters that you can never find replacements for.  There are some top
 of the line cannisters (Dyson makes one I think), but if I'm going to
 spend $500 on a vacuum cleaner it will be a central system.

  Found probably 3 plastic bags in it...

 Whats with the plastic bags on the floor? ;)

 John


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Kevin Kraly
You'll never be truely impressed with a vac until you have central vac...

My wife and I are once again on the house hunt, and most of them have 
central vacs.  The house we looked at yesterday had a vac outlet in the 
garage, quite handy for vacuuming out the vehicles.  It has 2 4 car garages, 
each one was two cars wide and two cars deep.  My wife said that I could 
fill them in no time!  I would have to have a steady stream of fixers coming 
and going to make the payment though.

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula who needed the passenger's lower BJ and the idler 
arm bushing on that side as well
2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die Kiste 


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Kevin Kraly
I didn't get this idea that the penny went
through the fan and the motor.  i just figured they went straight to the bag 
or something.

This is a weak point for the Kirby since pennies, screws, etc will either 
shatter the impeller, kill the motor or both if one should get sucked in. 
The Dyson dumps into the canister before the motor so no debris can damage 
it.

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die Kiste 


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Tom Hargrave
A friend of mine had a problem with a wood pecker building her nest in the
side of the house. She'd cut a hole in his cedar siding  build a nest 
he'd have to clean it out and plug the hole. Tony found that a vacuum
cleaner worked great...

He finally had the house re-sided with a cement composite siding and his
friend was pissed for about two weeks, then she flew off elsewhere to
build her nest.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
www.kegkits.com
256-656-1924
 
-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:34 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

You'll never be truely impressed with a vac until you have central vac...

My wife and I are once again on the house hunt, and most of them have 
central vacs.  The house we looked at yesterday had a vac outlet in the 
garage, quite handy for vacuuming out the vehicles.  It has 2 4 car garages,

each one was two cars wide and two cars deep.  My wife said that I could 
fill them in no time!  I would have to have a steady stream of fixers coming

and going to make the payment though.

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula who needed the passenger's lower BJ and the idler 
arm bushing on that side as well
2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die Kiste 


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Gary Hurst
yeah, i've sucked out lots of metal of every sort with this machine.  never
figured it would be a problem

On 9/13/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I didn't get this idea that the penny went
 through the fan and the motor.  i just figured they went straight to the
 bag
 or something.

 This is a weak point for the Kirby since pennies, screws, etc will either
 shatter the impeller, kill the motor or both if one should get sucked in.
 The Dyson dumps into the canister before the motor so no debris can damage
 it.

 Kevin in Portland, OR
 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die Kiste


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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread Tom Hargrave
It's not just a Kirby issue. All bag style vacuums draw through the fan on
the way to the bag. They have to because if they didn't, they would just
collapse the bag. Only the newer enclosed, hard canister vacuums draw
through the canister.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:39 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

I didn't get this idea that the penny went
through the fan and the motor.  i just figured they went straight to the bag

or something.

This is a weak point for the Kirby since pennies, screws, etc will either 
shatter the impeller, kill the motor or both if one should get sucked in. 
The Dyson dumps into the canister before the motor so no debris can damage 
it.

Kevin in Portland, OR
1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula
2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die Kiste 


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[MBZ] Fw: Replacing Injectors (was Re: 1985300SD NastyEngineVibration)

2007-09-13 Thread George Larribeau
Woops !


I received the Injectors today (Thanks Rusty!). I have Modified a 12Pt 17MM 
Box end Wrench to handle the Injector lines on top of the IP Pump and am 
good to go .However

 I have never done a 'Diesel Purge on the thing since I've had it. I 
 purchased 2 cans of the stuff locally (there is a place up the street that 
 has it on the shelf). I got some fuel line, clamps and a plastic Sports 
 drink bottle and am going to do this before I change any parts. I just did 
 a service on the car and replaced all the filters. Do I need to replace 
 the fuel filters (again) after I run the diesel purge though them? I guess 
 this is best done on a Hot engine, Right?





 George Larribeau
 Dallas Texas


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 From: Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 12:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing Injectors (was Re: 1985300SD 
 NastyEngineVibration)


 The snap on trucks usually carry the metric flare nut crows foot
 wrenches too.if you can chase them down. Granted, they get about $22
 each for them.

 ---Robert

 George Larribeau wrote:
 Can I get them off the IP with a flair nut wrench, or am I gonna need to 
 het
 the fancy Hazzet of set crow foot tool ?

 George Larribeau
 Dallas Texas


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 I would not disturb the line clamps, I'd take all five off the IP, then
 off the injectors, and move the assembly out of the way.

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[MBZ] Strange stub axle problem

2007-09-13 Thread archer
When I greased the front wheel bearings on the '83 300D the new bearing 
would not go on.  There was a ridge next to where the bearing inner race 
seated.  I sanded the ridge as much as I dared with emery cloth but the new 
bearing would still not go and I didn't want to try and drive it on.  I took 
the new bearing back and got another new bearing, thinking the first one 
might be off-dimension but it wouldn't go on either.
In desperation I went across the street to Autozone, thinking they might 
have foreign bearing with less precise dimensions, and got a Chinese bearing 
which went on with no problem.  That was about 8 years ago and the Chinese 
bearing has caused no problems.

I've often wondered how that ridge around the stub axle formed.  I didn't 
think high strength steel such as is used in stub axles is malleable/plastic 
enough for a frozen bearing to create a ridge without it being raised to a 
temperature up in the 2000 degreeF range.  That is pretty much true when 
working with a forge.  High strength steel has to be a dull shade of red 
before it can be shaped.   It would seem that such a temperature would make 
the stub axle unusable.  Comment?
Gerry 


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Re: [MBZ] Replacing Injectors

2007-09-13 Thread John Robbins
George Larribeau wrote:
 I received the Injectors today (Thanks Rusty!). I have Modified a
 12Pt 17MM Box end Wrench to handle the Injector lines on top of the
 IP Pump and am good to go. However, I have never done a 'Diesel
 Purge on the thing since I've had it. I purchased 2 cans of the
 stuff locally (there is a place up the street that has it on the
 shelf). I got some fuel line, clamps and a plastic Sports drink
 bottle and am going to do this before I change any parts. I just
 did a service on the car and replaced all the filters. Do I need to
 replace the fuel filters (again) after I run the diesel purge
 though them? I guess this is best done on a Hot engine, Right?

If you have new injectors just install them.  Diesel purge is an 
injector cleaner, and if you have new injectors there is nothing for it 
to clean.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem

2007-09-13 Thread John Robbins
archer wrote:
 When I greased the front wheel bearings on the '83 300D the new bearing 
 would not go on.  There was a ridge next to where the bearing inner race 
 seated.  I sanded the ridge as much as I dared with emery cloth but the new 
 bearing would still not go and I didn't want to try and drive it on.  I took 
 the new bearing back and got another new bearing, thinking the first one 
 might be off-dimension but it wouldn't go on either.
 In desperation I went across the street to Autozone, thinking they might 
 have foreign bearing with less precise dimensions, and got a Chinese bearing 
 which went on with no problem.  That was about 8 years ago and the Chinese 
 bearing has caused no problems.
 
 I've often wondered how that ridge around the stub axle formed.  I didn't 
 think high strength steel such as is used in stub axles is malleable/plastic 
 enough for a frozen bearing to create a ridge without it being raised to a 
 temperature up in the 2000 degreeF range.  That is pretty much true when 
 working with a forge.  High strength steel has to be a dull shade of red 
 before it can be shaped.   It would seem that such a temperature would make 
 the stub axle unusable.  Comment?


I have nothing to contribute to this... but I sure hope it doesn't turn 
into that one discussion about bearing fracture/cracking/shattering/etc 
(or whatever it was).  ;)

John


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Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem

2007-09-13 Thread Tom Hargrave
The stub axle is more properly called a spindle. Was the ridge far enough
out that it lined up with the outer edge of the bearing race once it was
installed? If so then it belongs there.

I've had bearings seize and they removed metal  made the replacement
bearing race loose on the spindle, not the other way around. The only
exception was the one that welded itself to the spindle - that was
interesting.

Also, most don't realize that the original wheel bearings in our Mercedes
were made in Japan or China.

Thanks,
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:39 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem

When I greased the front wheel bearings on the '83 300D the new bearing 
would not go on.  There was a ridge next to where the bearing inner race 
seated.  I sanded the ridge as much as I dared with emery cloth but the new 
bearing would still not go and I didn't want to try and drive it on.  I took

the new bearing back and got another new bearing, thinking the first one 
might be off-dimension but it wouldn't go on either.
In desperation I went across the street to Autozone, thinking they might 
have foreign bearing with less precise dimensions, and got a Chinese bearing

which went on with no problem.  That was about 8 years ago and the Chinese 
bearing has caused no problems.

I've often wondered how that ridge around the stub axle formed.  I didn't 
think high strength steel such as is used in stub axles is malleable/plastic

enough for a frozen bearing to create a ridge without it being raised to a 
temperature up in the 2000 degreeF range.  That is pretty much true when 
working with a forge.  High strength steel has to be a dull shade of red 
before it can be shaped.   It would seem that such a temperature would make 
the stub axle unusable.  Comment?
Gerry 


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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Engine Vibration - new twist

2007-09-13 Thread LWB250
The former 250LWB that I had used a 3 piece drive
shaft.  For some reason it developed a nasty vibration
when I had it.  I replaced the carrier bearings and it
just got worse.  And yes, I had all the marks lined up
on it, and marked it before I disassembled it as well.

After goofing around with it for several months, I
took it to a local driveline service company and asked
of they could balance it.  Turned out that one of the
u-joints was going bad (no doubt the source of the
vibration) which they replaced before balancing.

I think it cost me about $250 and took 3-4 days (only
because the equipment they had to do it on was in
their shop in Miami, and they shipped it down there.)

I heard all the horror stories about how you had to
have all kinds of special stuff to work on MB drive
shafts, which may be true, but these guys poo-poo'ed
the whole thing and pretty much told me that if they
couldn't do the job, no one could.

Dan

--- Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Driveline Service of Atlanta or the driveline shop
 in the northwest
  (can't find the name right now - they also
 advertise in the Star) both
 
 It's in Portland OR, if that helps.
 
  claim they can rebalance a shaft without the
 damper, or after replacing
  the U joint but I've heard from a few of their
 customers that were
  dissatisfied (and more than that, that were
 pleased). I have not used
  either service. I have replaced several
 driveshafts.
 
 My mechanic used them to replace the U-joint on my
 560 SL.
 No discernible problems afterwards.
 


   

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Re: [MBZ] my $78 pawn shop kirby throws fire but keeps on vacuuming

2007-09-13 Thread LWB250
Every house we have built, save this one, has had a
central vac.  If it's done during construction it's
not that expensive, relative to a high quality vacuum
cleaner.  Not to mention you don't have to lug all the
crap around to sweep.

We had one in our house when I was a kid, but it was a
late 1950's thing, and woefully inadequate.  When we
built out first house some years ago, which was a 2
story behemoth with 3,000 square feet, the wife
suggested we do a central vac, but I was reluctant
based on prior experience.

We went to a wholesaler that sold them and got a
demonstration.  Wow.  What a difference.  From there
it was no question...

Only reason we didn't put one in this house was
because the builder wouldn't do it, and they wouldn't
let us do it on our own.  Jerks.

Dan



--- Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 You'll never be truely impressed with a vac until
 you have central vac...
 
 My wife and I are once again on the house hunt, and
 most of them have 
 central vacs.  The house we looked at yesterday had
 a vac outlet in the 
 garage, quite handy for vacuuming out the vehicles. 
 It has 2 4 car garages, 
 each one was two cars wide and two cars deep.  My
 wife said that I could 
 fill them in no time!  I would have to have a steady
 stream of fixers coming 
 and going to make the payment though.
 
 Kevin in Portland, OR
 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula who needed the passenger's
 lower BJ and the idler 
 arm bushing on that side as well
 2006 Sprinter PV 1.6Kmi, die Kiste 
 
 



   

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Re: [MBZ] OM603 Engine Vibration - new twist

2007-09-13 Thread Peter Frederick
The only reason most shops cannot do a Benz driveshaft is that they do 
not have the correct ends to hold it.  Only Benz uses that tripod 
arrangement with flex disk, and the driveshafts just don't go bad that 
often, so no one has them.  Easy to get, just order from the balancer 
manufacturer, but they are $1500 a set last time I asked (ten years 
ago).

Otherwise, it's just the same as everything else.  That 250 had a 
replaceable u-joint though (actually, two of them).  Later shafts have 
a non-replaceable one.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread E M
Hi Larry,

I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I
never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff.  Just what
part will do a million miles anyway?  The bodies are the same, trans last
about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much
longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last
about the same I feel.  If you drive a lot, and put tonnes of miles on a
car, I can see the savings, but for the average driver, I don't know if it's
really such a big deal.  You can put a whole lot of miles on a gasser
engine, if well cared for.  I know lots of guys with american V8s with half
a million on them.  Went to an auction and looked at several 420s and 560s.
None had less than 400,000 on them.  My old W124 gasser has about 345,000
kms.  I don't drive it lots and lots now, but it is used daily, and seems to
run with few problems.  Fuel consumption doesn't even seem that bad when
driven the way the police like you to drive.  Although, it does seem to
prefer to be driven like a porsche. :-)

Providing it was well cared for, and it's not a model that has known issues,
I wouldn't pass up a higher mileage, well cared for gasser too quick. :-)

Ed
300E

On 13/09/2007, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Since the diesel W140s all have that pesky rod bending problem and the
 lust
 for a W140 is as strong as ever, what;s the longevity of the gas W140s -
 like the S320 perhaps?  Seems like a lot around.

 Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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 Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] rod bender


  The ideal would be one that has a replacement MB engine installed.
 
  The rods that Rusty sells should be the correct, stronger ones.
 
  Tom
  www.kegkits.com
 
  Original Message
  From: tom savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: 09/06/07 10:59 PM
  To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] rod bender
  -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
  OK, do say a person was wanting to buy a rod bender 140.  Would that
  person be better off buying one with say 135k-160k, or say one with
  over
  200k?  Seems to me like if its still going after 200k, its probably
  not
  going to have any problems.  If its got 135k, that is about when the
  rods bend of they are going to.  What about replacing the rods
  beforehand?  Are the rods you get from Rusty etc improved and not
  flawed?
 
  I'd buy the one with perfect compression and leakdown numbers.
 
  Tom,
  Also feeling the pull of the 140
 
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[MBZ] Brunnhilde's rear end

2007-09-13 Thread Rich Thomas
I am fixin to replace a rear axle on Brunnhilde (79 TD) as it is 
clacking quite loudly, and pressure spheres, and maybe one of the 
hydraulic shocks as I thought it might be leaking a bit.   I will also 
do brake pads.  I have hyd fluid too, so will flush and replace.  
Figured while I was doing all that, there might be some other things, 
like subframe mounts I ought to do?  Any other suggestions on things to do?

Also, I know there has been discussion on replacing axles, but I think I 
lost that when my HD crashed a few weeks ago.  I am too lazy to check 
around, as I figured someone has a good short writeup or directions on 
how to do the axle.  (Axles are the bolt-on kind)

And any other procedural advice for any other stuff (excpet brake pads, 
I think I have that under control). would be appreciated.  I promise to 
take piccies and post procedures on my web site so whoever does it next 
can have a nice reference doc.

Thanks!

--R

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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread OK Don
t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just
addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels
more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it.

 I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I
 never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff.  Just what
 part will do a million miles anyway?  The bodies are the same, trans last
 about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much
 longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last
 about the same I feel.
-- 
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Norman, OK
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread Wonko the Sane
That would explain it. Thanks.


On 9/13/07, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Brother-in-law let his 190D run out of fuel. He can't find the hand
 primer
  pump. Where is it?  '84 190D.

 t'ain't one. Crank it 'till it starts

 Hope he's got a good battery.

 Rick Knoble
 '85 300 CD
 '87 190 DT


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Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread Rick Knoble
 That would explain it. Thanks.

IIRC one can use WD40 as starting fluid in diesels. He might try that. (as 
opposed to ether.. ether is a no-no)

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread Rick Knoble
 Brother-in-law let his 190D run out of fuel. He can't find the hand primer
 pump. Where is it?  '84 190D.

t'ain't one. Crank it 'till it starts 

Hope he's got a good battery.

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT


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[MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread Wonko the Sane
Brother-in-law let his 190D run out of fuel. He can't find the hand primer
pump. Where is it?  '84 190D.

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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread Alex Chamberlain
Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me.

On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just
 addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels
 more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it.

  I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in ways, I
  never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff.  Just what
  part will do a million miles anyway?  The bodies are the same, trans last
  about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last much
  longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine last
  about the same I feel.
 --
 OK Don, KD5NRO
 Norman, OK
 There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
 -Benjamin Disraeli
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Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread Dwight E. Giles, Jr
If it's the same as the 602, owners manual says to crank with WOT. Don't ask
me how I know.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE)
1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles
Wickford, RI-Original Message-
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

That would explain it. Thanks.


On 9/13/07, Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Brother-in-law let his 190D run out of fuel. He can't find the hand
 primer
  pump. Where is it?  '84 190D.

 t'ain't one. Crank it 'till it starts

 Hope he's got a good battery.

 Rick Knoble
 '85 300 CD
 '87 190 DT


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog

2007-09-13 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
Yes, 6500 is overkill for the 5th wheel. 4000 would be plenty, but for 
the house I want to have enough to run the deep freeze an the blowers on 
the furnace and a few other necessities, so I figure I ought to get 
something a bit stouter than 4k. Either that or have to get two 
different ones, which may end up being the easier way to go, but the 
little diesels are about the same as the 6500 jobs, and my truck is 
diesel, so if I get a cheap gas generator, I'd have to haul another fuel.

-Robert


Alex Chamberlain wrote:
 On 9/13/07, Robert  Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Those things appear to be well built, but they are seriously heavy.

 I'm trying to find an affordable quiet diesel generator for  dual
 purpose , hauling around with the 5th wheel for camping, and around the
 house, but I have to find one light enough to be able to manuver up to a
 rack over the cab ( or build an A frame to winch it on and off , trying
 to avoid that)
 

 If I get one of the Chinese ones or something similar, it is just
 going to sit on a pad out back, so weight is not a concern for me.  Of
 course it is for your purposes.  But isn't 6500KW overkill for a 5th
 wheel, even a big one?

 Alex


   


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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread LarryT
Alex wrote:Not having an ignition system to worry about 

That's what attracts me also - most gas engined cars have engine bays billed 
with black boxes that do all kinds of mischevious things -  things that take 
forever to trouble shoot when they start to misbehave.

Actually, I sold a perfectly nice Camry for just that reason - and bought 
our 91 300D which was 8 years older but had about the same miles.   The 
biggest differenece is I can work on the diesel but was totally baffled when 
just *looking* at the engine of the Toyota.  I'm not really intimidated by 
mechanical things - but when I need to repair a car that will be driven to 
work it becomes something that must become almost 2nd nature.  Working on a 
diesel takes away a lot of the variables.  When theres a problem the number 
of possible culprits are much smaller on a diesel.  And the culprits are 
also likely to be less catastrophic on a diesel given the same set of 
symptoms.  That;s not explained very well but perhaps it will do for now.

As far as diesels having the same likelyhood of seeing very high mileages, I 
disagree.  I don;t know about the gassers and diesels you were familiar with 
but I think you might be comparing well maintained gassers with poorly 
maintained diesels.  Also, many of the diesels on this list were bought 2nd 
hand - change that to 99.9% of the diesels on this list were bought 2nd 
hand - so while we try to understnd the kind of care the PO gave them, I 
suspect many rec'd very poor maintanence.  Some people actually think a car 
costing $45,000  shouldn't *need* any maintanence - and I think they often 
received very little from PO's.

I was given my mothers and M-I-Ls gassers - but neither had high mileage.  I 
cared for them exactly as the OM suggested and even more often in many 
cases, but neither car was likely to see a million miles.  My 91 300D will I 
think unless totalled like both the gassers (neither our fault) --  but 
anecdotal evidence is tough to use conclusively.

YMMV also --

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- Original Message - 
From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender


 Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me.

 On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just
 addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels
 more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it.

  I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in 
  ways, I
  never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff.  Just 
  what
  part will do a million miles anyway?  The bodies are the same, trans 
  last
  about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last 
  much
  longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine 
  last
  about the same I feel.
 --
 OK Don, KD5NRO
 Norman, OK
 There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
 -Benjamin Disraeli
 '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager

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Re: [MBZ] Mystery Noise Time - Embarrasingly Loud

2007-09-13 Thread LarryT
Do you have dust shields in your wheels?  Mine started making a noise like 
those machine gun lawn sprinklers - a piece of the metal caught on the 
brakes and make a squeak with each turn of the wheel.

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Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Mystery Noise Time - Embarrasingly Loud


 Okay, a noise started today, and it's so loud it's pretty much
 prohibitive in terms of driving. And of course, it indicates something
 wrong, so the car is all but out of commission until it's solved. This
 is the 87 190D. Description follows:

 In summary, sounds like a stick is stuck in the wheel - sort of that
 playing card-in-the-spokes sound but louder. I figured it to be
 vehicle speed related, but just as we pulled into our street and
 stopped, I noticed that the noise continued after the car stopped
 rolling. (noise was tapering off in speed and volume at this point).

 The speeds I have noticed it at are from about 15 to about 35. I think
 it may taper off at higher speeds.

 I have some vague guesses, but does this sound familiar to anyone?

 I quickly scanned for anything caught in the wheels, and I looked for
 anything caught in the fans.

 Brian
 87 190D

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[MBZ] My latest score

2007-09-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
So I today I buy a 92 300SD from the Mercedes dealer in Wichita.  I got 
them down 2k off there already VERY cheap price.  137k miles.  Damn 
thing is near perfect.  They dont mess with those old cars like that. I 
am surprised they didnt just run it thru the auction right off the bat. 
Geez, I have been missing the 140.  It makes the 126 look like a POS 
FROD or something.  When I got it home and was digging thru it, what do 
I find in the rear seat pocket but a BRAND NEW Ipod Nano.  I mean BRAND 
NEW.  Never been opened.  Holy crap!!  I dont care anything about Ipods 
but the wife does.
-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
  94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D,
  90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
  81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread Marshall Booth
Wonko the Sane wrote:
 Brother-in-law let his 190D run out of fuel. He can't find the hand primer
 pump. Where is it?  '84 190D.
 

No hand primer. Fill the large fuel filter with clean diesel, Diesel 
Purge or even ATF and crank the engine. May take a minute or two but it 
will start. Next time don't let it go dry!

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread Jim Cathey
 Brother-in-law let his 190D run out of fuel. He can't find the hand 
 primer
 pump. Where is it?  '84 190D.

As you know, there isn't one.  I used my 'clean' grease gun to
force-prime my 190D after the injection pump removal.  Then I
switched the hose back to the feed pipe.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog

2007-09-13 Thread Jim Cathey
 That's the lowest price by far I've seen on a Chinese diesel generator
 package of that wattage.

The local liquidator has a 6kW unit for $380.  The wheels are off
and the battery is out, obviously it's not in perfect condition.
I'm still thinking about picking it up.  Dratted thing is 3600
RPM which is not what I would normally want.

That or yank the motor out and put it on the log splitter.
I hate sucking gas fumes while I work.  Best would be if I
could plumb the pump off the end of the generator shaft!

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread Wonko the Sane
Thanks, Marshall. I shall pass this along to him.

Don


On 9/13/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wonko the Sane wrote:
  Brother-in-law let his 190D run out of fuel. He can't find the hand
 primer
  pump. Where is it?  '84 190D.
 

 No hand primer. Fill the large fuel filter with clean diesel, Diesel
 Purge or even ATF and crank the engine. May take a minute or two but it
 will start. Next time don't let it go dry!

 Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] My latest score

2007-09-13 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:24:50 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 So I today I buy a 92 300SD from the Mercedes dealer in Wichita.  I got 
 them down 2k off there already VERY cheap price.  137k miles.  Damn 
 thing is near perfect.  They dont mess with those old cars like that. I 
 am surprised they didnt just run it thru the auction right off the bat. 
 Geez, I have been missing the 140.  It makes the 126 look like a POS 
 FROD or something.  When I got it home and was digging thru it, what do 
 I find in the rear seat pocket but a BRAND NEW Ipod Nano.  I mean BRAND 
 NEW.  Never been opened.  Holy crap!!  I dont care anything about Ipods 
 but the wife does.

Congratulations on your deal-making ability!

Does that one have the rod-bender engine?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog

2007-09-13 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:37:51 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  That's the lowest price by far I've seen on a Chinese diesel generator
  package of that wattage.
 
 The local liquidator has a 6kW unit for $380.  The wheels are off
 and the battery is out, obviously it's not in perfect condition.
 I'm still thinking about picking it up.  Dratted thing is 3600
 RPM which is not what I would normally want.
 
 That or yank the motor out and put it on the log splitter.
 I hate sucking gas fumes while I work.  Best would be if I
 could plumb the pump off the end of the generator shaft!

So instead of a combination generator/arc welder, you'd have a
generator/log splitter ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread E M
Yeah, I can buy that. :-)

Ed
300E

On 13/09/2007, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just
 addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels
 more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it.

  I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in
 ways, I
  never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff.  Just
 what
  part will do a million miles anyway?  The bodies are the same, trans
 last
  about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last
 much
  longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the engine
 last
  about the same I feel.
 --
 OK Don, KD5NRO
 Norman, OK
 There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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Re: [MBZ] My latest score

2007-09-13 Thread E M
Hmm,. I think we can bring euro spec cars 15 years old or older in to Canda
without a lot of troubles.  Tell me more about this 606 turbo engine??

Ed
300E

On 13/09/2007, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 yep, rod bender and all.  If after driving it for a while and I discover
 it to be burning oil, I will either dump it on ebay or drop that 3.5 I
 have sitting in my garage.  Man there is nothing like a 140 diesel
 though.  Wish they would have brought the 606 turbo over like they had
 available in the 140 in europe

 Craig McCluskey wrote:
  On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:24:50 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  So I today I buy a 92 300SD from the Mercedes dealer in Wichita.  I got
  them down 2k off there already VERY cheap price.  137k miles.  Damn
  thing is near perfect.  They dont mess with those old cars like that. I
  am surprised they didnt just run it thru the auction right off the bat.
  Geez, I have been missing the 140.  It makes the 126 look like a POS
  FROD or something.  When I got it home and was digging thru it, what do
  I find in the rear seat pocket but a BRAND NEW Ipod Nano.  I mean BRAND
  NEW.  Never been opened.  Holy crap!!  I dont care anything about Ipods
  but the wife does.
 
  Congratulations on your deal-making ability!
 
  Does that one have the rod-bender engine?
 
 
  Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread E M
Na, change the plugs and wires and forget about them for 25,000 kms. :-)
Now, parking a diesel here in the dead of winter and not having access to an
extension cord for the block heater, that is somethign to worry about. hee
hee.

Ed
300E

On 13/09/2007, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me.

 On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just
  addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels
  more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it.
 
   I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in
 ways, I
   never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff.  Just
 what
   part will do a million miles anyway?  The bodies are the same, trans
 last
   about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to last
 much
   longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the
 engine last
   about the same I feel.
  --
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  Norman, OK
  There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:54:34 -0500 Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  That would explain it. Thanks.
 
 IIRC one can use WD40 as starting fluid in diesels. He might try that.
 (as opposed to ether.. ether is a no-no)

Uhh ...  no.


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Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender

2007-09-13 Thread E M
Hey Larry,

I agree with pretty much every thing you say.  The bottom end of your engine
may make it to a million, but most of the other parts are about as likely to
as my gasser is.  One thing I did notice where I live, ppl buy diesels to
put LOTS of miles on them.  I know several, and even yours I believe Larry
seem to have very lows miles.  It's next to impossible to find a car of that
age with such miles here.  Most gassers will have 250,000 or more, diesels
3-400,000 or more, at which point, all the suspension is shot, trans is shot
if not already rebuilt etc.  If I could find a nice diesel here with 150,000
on it, I'd snap it up, but I tell you, hard to find, I've look for a few
years now.  Having said that, if I find the right one, I still want to join
you guys!!! hee hee.  A Camry?  Larry!!  What were you thinking. lol.  :-)

Ed
300E

On 13/09/2007, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Alex wrote:Not having an ignition system to worry about 

 That's what attracts me also - most gas engined cars have engine bays
 billed
 with black boxes that do all kinds of mischevious things -  things that
 take
 forever to trouble shoot when they start to misbehave.

 Actually, I sold a perfectly nice Camry for just that reason - and bought
 our 91 300D which was 8 years older but had about the same miles.   The
 biggest differenece is I can work on the diesel but was totally baffled
 when
 just *looking* at the engine of the Toyota.  I'm not really intimidated by
 mechanical things - but when I need to repair a car that will be driven to
 work it becomes something that must become almost 2nd nature.  Working on
 a
 diesel takes away a lot of the variables.  When theres a problem the
 number
 of possible culprits are much smaller on a diesel.  And the culprits are
 also likely to be less catastrophic on a diesel given the same set of
 symptoms.  That;s not explained very well but perhaps it will do for now.

 As far as diesels having the same likelyhood of seeing very high mileages,
 I
 disagree.  I don;t know about the gassers and diesels you were familiar
 with
 but I think you might be comparing well maintained gassers with poorly
 maintained diesels.  Also, many of the diesels on this list were bought
 2nd
 hand - change that to 99.9% of the diesels on this list were bought 2nd
 hand - so while we try to understnd the kind of care the PO gave them, I
 suspect many rec'd very poor maintanence.  Some people actually think a
 car
 costing $45,000  shouldn't *need* any maintanence - and I think they often
 received very little from PO's.

 I was given my mothers and M-I-Ls gassers - but neither had high
 mileage.  I
 cared for them exactly as the OM suggested and even more often in many
 cases, but neither car was likely to see a million miles.  My 91 300D will
 I
 think unless totalled like both the gassers (neither our fault) --  but
 anecdotal evidence is tough to use conclusively.

 YMMV also --

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 - Original Message -
 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 7:41 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gas W140? Was - rod bender


  Not having an ignition system to worry about is a big plus to me.
 
  On 9/13/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  t's a religious thing - not a rational thing. Some of us are just
  addicted to the clatta clatta and the smell. A Diesel engine feels
  more 'mechanical' and a gas engine --- maybe that's it.
 
   I thought a lot about a diesel car, and while I'd still like one in
   ways, I
   never really bought all the it will go a million miles stuff.  Just
   what
   part will do a million miles anyway?  The bodies are the same, trans
   last
   about the same, from reading many posts here, heads don't seem to
 last
   much
   longer on a diesel, and all the other parts that are hung on the
 engine
   last
   about the same I feel.
  --
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Re: [MBZ] My latest score

2007-09-13 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
yep, rod bender and all.  If after driving it for a while and I discover 
it to be burning oil, I will either dump it on ebay or drop that 3.5 I 
have sitting in my garage.  Man there is nothing like a 140 diesel 
though.  Wish they would have brought the 606 turbo over like they had 
available in the 140 in europe

Craig McCluskey wrote:
 On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 20:24:50 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 So I today I buy a 92 300SD from the Mercedes dealer in Wichita.  I got 
 them down 2k off there already VERY cheap price.  137k miles.  Damn 
 thing is near perfect.  They dont mess with those old cars like that. I 
 am surprised they didnt just run it thru the auction right off the bat. 
 Geez, I have been missing the 140.  It makes the 126 look like a POS 
 FROD or something.  When I got it home and was digging thru it, what do 
 I find in the rear seat pocket but a BRAND NEW Ipod Nano.  I mean BRAND 
 NEW.  Never been opened.  Holy crap!!  I dont care anything about Ipods 
 but the wife does.
 
 Congratulations on your deal-making ability!
 
 Does that one have the rod-bender engine?
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] 190D fuel primer pump

2007-09-13 Thread OK Don
I now (after a LONG cranking session once before) loosen the injector
lines at the injectors, have someone else crank while I watch, and
tighten the lines as they start to leak fuel - it re-fills the lines
MUCH faster than just cranking --

On 9/13/07, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Brother-in-law let his 190D run out of fuel. He can't find the hand
  primer
  pump. Where is it?  '84 190D.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 5600 Watt Diesel Generator in Northern Catalog

2007-09-13 Thread Robert Tara Ludwick
$380 is a steal. Grab that thing.
I bet its in the wrong part of the country for me to swoop in and snag 
it :-)

-Robert

Jim Cathey wrote:
 That's the lowest price by far I've seen on a Chinese diesel generator
 package of that wattage.
 

 The local liquidator has a 6kW unit for $380.  The wheels are off
 and the battery is out, obviously it's not in perfect condition.
 I'm still thinking about picking it up.  Dratted thing is 3600
 RPM which is not what I would normally want.

 That or yank the motor out and put it on the log splitter.
 I hate sucking gas fumes while I work.  Best would be if I
 could plumb the pump off the end of the generator shaft!

 -- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Replacing Injectors

2007-09-13 Thread George Larribeau
Well I did the diesel purge thing after I got home from work. Rigged it up
with a bottle and was able to drive it around the neighborhood.

Saturday morning I plan to replace the Injectors ...


George Larribeau

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Replacing Injectors

George Larribeau wrote:
 I received the Injectors today (Thanks Rusty!). I have Modified a
 12Pt 17MM Box end Wrench to handle the Injector lines on top of the
 IP Pump and am good to go. However, I have never done a 'Diesel
 Purge on the thing since I've had it. I purchased 2 cans of the
 stuff locally (there is a place up the street that has it on the
 shelf). I got some fuel line, clamps and a plastic Sports drink
 bottle and am going to do this before I change any parts. I just
 did a service on the car and replaced all the filters. Do I need to
 replace the fuel filters (again) after I run the diesel purge
 though them? I guess this is best done on a Hot engine, Right?

If you have new injectors just install them.  Diesel purge is an
injector cleaner, and if you have new injectors there is nothing for it
to clean.

John


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Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem

2007-09-13 Thread archer
 The stub axle is more properly called a spindle. Was the ridge far 
 enough
 out that it lined up with the outer edge of the bearing race once it was
 installed? If so then it belongs there.

It's been a long time.  The bearing race seated okay after it got past the 
ridge.
IIRC the ridge was just to the outside of the bearing race seating area.

 I've had bearings seize and they removed metal  made the replacement
 bearing race loose on the spindle, not the other way around.

That's been my experience with other cars.  That's why this situation 
surprised me.

 The only
 exception was the one that welded itself to the spindle - that was
 interesting.

Had that happen too.  Very interesting if it happens while you're driving.

 Also, most don't realize that the original wheel bearings in our Mercedes
 were made in Japan or China.
 Tom Hargrave

I don't believe the Chinese bearing I put on the 300D was a Mercedes 
bearing.  It had a little too much play to be a quality bearing.  Next time 
I grease the wheels I'll try a Mercedes bearing.  It could have been that 
the U.S. mfg. bearings were a little tighter although that seems unlikely.
Gerry

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 On Behalf Of archer
 When I greased the front wheel bearings on the '83 300D the new bearing
 would not go on.  There was a ridge next to where the bearing inner race
 seated.  I sanded the ridge as much as I dared with emery cloth but the 
 new
 bearing would still not go and I didn't want to try and drive it on.  I 
 took

 the new bearing back and got another new bearing, thinking the first one
 might be off-dimension but it wouldn't go on either.
 In desperation I went across the street to Autozone, thinking they might
 have foreign bearing with less precise dimensions, and got a Chinese 
 bearing

 which went on with no problem.  That was about 8 years ago and the Chinese
 bearing has caused no problems.

 I've often wondered how that ridge around the stub axle formed.  I didn't
 think high strength steel such as is used in stub axles is 
 malleable/plastic

 enough for a frozen bearing to create a ridge without it being raised to a
 temperature up in the 2000 degreeF range.  That is pretty much true when
 working with a forge.  High strength steel has to be a dull shade of red
 before it can be shaped.   It would seem that such a temperature would 
 make
 the stub axle unusable.  Comment?
 Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem

2007-09-13 Thread Peter Frederick
My experience is that Timken bearings are tighter than others (I 
believe Benz OEM is SKF).  They fit, but they are on the big side of 
the tolerance, and getting a race into the hub can be fun.  Work fine, 
though.

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] Strange stub axle problem

2007-09-13 Thread archer
That could have been the reason.  I think the bearing that wouldn't go on 
was a Timken.  Maybe I should have tapped it in.
Gerry
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 My experience is that Timken bearings are tighter than others (I
 believe Benz OEM is SKF).  They fit, but they are on the big side of
 the tolerance, and getting a race into the hub can be fun.  Work fine,
 though.
 Peter


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