Re: [MBZ] Did I bench test correctly? 190e Window Motor

2008-07-30 Thread Jim Cathey
I pulled the motor completely and wired direct to a 12v battery. Reversed polarity as well. Nothing either way. This confirms a dead motor; correct? That'll do her. Enjoy your new motor! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list

Re: [MBZ] OT:Obooma. again

2008-07-30 Thread Rich Thomas
It's called moral equivalence (or relativism). That view of life ignores moral imperatives and generally says, well if that guy does it my guy doesn't do it as bad so therefor my guy is good. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: I have but two words: Senator Stevens. Mr. Long Term Republican.

Re: [MBZ] McDonald's will power police cars

2008-07-30 Thread Allan Streib
ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: an in typical fashion, the press manages to once again confuse using Waste Vegetable oil as fuel with using BioDiesel,... now we don't know for sure which they're really talking about! I think many people coming out of journalism schools are not

Re: [MBZ] Didn't somebody want a Porsche?

2008-07-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Tom Hargrave wrote: An interesting piece of trivia - Chrysler licensed the counter rotating shaft technology from Porsche for their 2.5 liter engine. The Chrysler 2.2 liter engine did not have counter rotating shafts. Interesting, I had assumed that came from their partnership with

Re: [MBZ] OT:Obooma. again

2008-07-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: It's called moral equivalence (or relativism). That view of life ignores moral imperatives and generally says, well if that guy does it my guy doesn't do it as bad so therefor my guy is good. This morning I realized something about the press treatment of The Obomanation.

Re: [MBZ] Didn't somebody want a Porsche?

2008-07-30 Thread Tom Hargrave
Nope, the technology came from Porsche. Chrysler tried to develop their own counter rotating shaft technology and could not without getting so close to the original design to cause a patent infringement. And Chrysler made better engines than Mitsubishi back then. The Mitsu V6 engine suffered from

Re: [MBZ] Midnight on the dash 24/7

2008-07-30 Thread Tony Wirtel
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 00:34:20 -0500 From: Fmiser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Midnight on the dash 24/7 There was some fellow name James, I believe, who was on this (or mbz.org?) list a few years back who retrofitted his with LEDs. He liked the results. I believe he

Re: [MBZ] OT: Kool Korner Groceries is *CLOSED*

2008-07-30 Thread Rolf
Probably one of the most underrated sammiches out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_sandwich -Rolf R A Bennell wrote: OK, I'll bite. What is a cubano? Randy who is way too far north to know what you are talking about -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [MBZ] Didn't somebody want a Porsche?

2008-07-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Tom Hargrave wrote: Nope, the technology came from Porsche. Chrysler tried to develop their own counter rotating shaft technology and could not without getting so close to the original design to cause a patent infringement. What was different about the balance shaft setup in the Mitsu 2.6L

Re: [MBZ] Didn't somebody want a Porsche?

2008-07-30 Thread Tom Hargrave
The counter rotating shafts were used in the 2.5 liter Chrysler engines and likely in the 2.6 liter Mitsu engines. I remember a 2.6 liter Mistu engine but don't know much about it. I was focusing on the 2.2 liter Turbo-II engine at the time. The system was not needed in the 2.2 liter Chrysler

Re: [MBZ] McDonald's will power police cars

2008-07-30 Thread dave walton
The most notable decline started when Dan Rather replaced Walter Cronkite. It must have been a political move because prior to that, Rather was a mediocre reporter at best, IMHO. -Dave Walton On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ernest breakfield [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] Didn't somebody want a Porsche?

2008-07-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Tom Hargrave wrote: The counter rotating shafts were used in the 2.5 liter Chrysler engines and likely in the 2.6 liter Mitsu engines. I remember a 2.6 liter Mistu engine but don't know much about it. I was just surprised at the idea that anybody could license the balance shafts from Porsche

Re: [MBZ] Did I bench test correctly? 190e Window Motor

2008-07-30 Thread R A Bennell
Just make absolutely sure that you are getting good contact with your test wires. I had a similar issue on my wife's Toyota Avalon and discovered that I was not getting good contact on my testing. I was trying to touch the pins in the plug. Motor did not work. I decided to try one step further

Re: [MBZ] McDonald's will power police cars

2008-07-30 Thread Gary Hurst
my dad would sit every night and say that f--- dan rather. from what i can tell by flipping the channels looking for soccer games, there is no longer any journalism. i once heard on cspan an old time journo type lamenting that journalism today is basically just being handed an information packet

Re: [MBZ] Did I bench test correctly? 190e Window Motor

2008-07-30 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:40 AM, R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just make absolutely sure that you are getting good contact with your test wires. I had a similar issue on my wife's Toyota Avalon and discovered that I was not getting good contact on my testing. I was trying to touch the

Re: [MBZ] OT:Obooma. again

2008-07-30 Thread Loren Faeth
WIlliam Jefferson William Jefferson Clinton and the list goes on and on. At 09:27 PM 7/29/2008, you wrote: I have but two words: Senator Stevens. Mr. Long Term Republican. We won't even get into Scooter! On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wonko the Sane

[MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Loren Faeth
Does anyone want an 85 Euro 280SEL 126 or the remains of a 4 speed Manual trans Euro 450SL? You can have them free for the hauling. You probably will have to put up with some hostility at the place they would be picked up from. I'd like you to lie about paying big prices for the honor of

Re: [MBZ] Midnight on the dash 24/7

2008-07-30 Thread andrew strasfogel
I finally took off the cluster last night. The rheostat is probably too corroded to salvage so I will have to get a new one. The 3W bayonet bulbs also need to be replaced. Where is the source bulb located that illuminates the fiber optic front panel switches (s/r, antenna, rear wiper, rear

Re: [MBZ] Dicker with a Junkyard?

2008-07-30 Thread andrew strasfogel
Dickering is also a great icebreaker. There is that feeling of warmth when you negotiate a mutually agreed upon price and celebrate with a shot of grappa. On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 6:42 PM, Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You gotta go there with cash in hand, ready to buy now at a

Re: [MBZ] 220 sleeper on Craigslist Michigan.

2008-07-30 Thread andrew strasfogel
yeew. On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/car/775325342.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Rich Thomas
So what else should we tell her? --R Loren Faeth wrote: Does anyone want an 85 Euro 280SEL 126 or the remains of a 4 speed Manual trans Euro 450SL? You can have them free for the hauling. You probably will have to put up with some hostility at the place they would be picked up from.

Re: [MBZ] Midnight on the dash 24/7

2008-07-30 Thread Rich Thomas
It's behind the panel above the radio, maybe the HVAC panel? Somewhere about there, one of those panels, then the fiber goes out from the light to where they go. --R andrew strasfogel wrote: I finally took off the cluster last night. The rheostat is probably too corroded to salvage so I

[MBZ] OT Prelude

2008-07-30 Thread Donald Snook
I always liked these old Preludes. This is VERY nice. I don't want one now, but this is a nice car. Very low miles. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1985-Honda-Prelude-2nd-Generation-31-000-actual-miles_W0QQitemZ320279984832QQihZ011QQcategoryZ6259QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem No

Re: [MBZ] McDonald's will power police cars

2008-07-30 Thread Loren Faeth
McD's powers more than cop cars http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.viewpageId=70903 At 10:55 AM 7/30/2008, you wrote: my dad would sit every night and say that f--- dan rather. from what i can tell by flipping the channels looking for soccer games, there is no longer any journalism. i once

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Mitch Haley
Rich Thomas wrote: So what else should we tell her? That it's going to the crusher, and she's welcome to come along if she hides in the trunk? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used

Re: [MBZ] 220 sleeper on Craigslist Michigan.

2008-07-30 Thread R A Bennell
I wonder if he is running the original differential and independent suspension setup? If so, not bad if it will stand the 350. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:31 AM To: Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Midnight on the dash 24/7

2008-07-30 Thread Chuck Landenberger
Andrew, Many years ago, I did this on the 300SD. Memory fades with time. One thing I do remember is if you pull the wires from the 3W bulbs, mark the place each one goes and the wire with a different number or letter. Otherwise, well you can guess. The oil pressure light comes on when

Re: [MBZ] what outside world?

2008-07-30 Thread RELNGSON
...i haven't looked at a newspaper in a decade though and haven't watched the national network news in even longer, so i can't comment firsthand Waitaminnit here. If this is true, how is it you are making all these comments about the office seekers? Not from what you read on the net,

Re: [MBZ] Caig

2008-07-30 Thread RELNGSON
..One of Marshall's favorite products, Caig De-Oxit,.. He probably got that from VanCleef who must have a glass of it over ice at the cocktail hour, the way he's been promoting it for years. RLE ** Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy

Re: [MBZ] Midnight on the dash 24/7

2008-07-30 Thread andrew strasfogel
Chuck, I am half way there. When reinstalling the cluster I switched the glow plug and brake light bulbs. Onward and downward! ;) On my 123 300TD, I was able to disconnect the bulbs in the cluster without messing with any wires. Not sure about the fibre optic bulb yet, however. On Wed, Jul

Re: [MBZ] how to get sunroof closed when its broke

2008-07-30 Thread Luther
I have several of those from Harbor Freight. Very handy at a cheap price Luther Hendrik Fay wrote: You need one of those suction thingies that window installers use. Hendrik Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Yea, thats what my email said I have been doing. It reaches a certain point

Re: [MBZ] Caig

2008-07-30 Thread Fmiser
It seems than at Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:42:14 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..One of Marshall's favorite products, Caig De-Oxit,.. He probably got that from VanCleef who must have a glass of it over ice at the cocktail hour, the way he's been promoting it for years. Maybe. But any

Re: [MBZ] OT: Kool Korner Groceries is *CLOSED*

2008-07-30 Thread R A Bennell
Looks good. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rolf Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:00 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Kool Korner Groceries is *CLOSED* Probably one of the most underrated sammiches out there:

Re: [MBZ] OT: Kool Korner Groceries is *CLOSED*

2008-07-30 Thread LWB250
When I first moved to Tampa, fellow office workers offered to bring back some Cubans for lunch. Would you like your Cuban pressed? ? I was befuddled, to say the least. All I could think of was some poor Cuban guy getting smooshed. Dan --- On Wed, 7/30/08, R A Bennell [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Wonko the Sane
If you have a similar deal in the Ames area, let me know. I know a guy with a trailer pickup. You have met him. D. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Does anyone want an 85 Euro 280SEL 126 or the remains of a 4 speed Manual trans Euro 450SL? You can have

[MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Kris Gilmore
It has come to pass that my trusty old 87 pickup will not pass the WV safety inspection because of body damage and rust. Not worth fixing. So I have been looking at new vehicles. Traditionally in such a situation I buy new from a dealer's inventory for cash and then sell the old

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Rich Thomas
WSJ had an article today about the car companies quitting their lease programs, seems they are taking a bath what with resale values going down down. You might want to think about checking around for a 2-3 yr old vehicle coming off lease, make some low-ball offer on it and see what happens.

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
crap, too bad i was not coming up there anyway. Maybe I will haul one off if I get to drive back a SDL or something. Loren Faeth wrote: Does anyone want an 85 Euro 280SEL 126 or the remains of a 4 speed Manual trans Euro 450SL? You can have them free for the hauling. You probably will

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Wonko the Sane
Things have changed? I used to get my MG inspected in WV (Fairmont) with a wink and a nod at the local gas station. I passed the parking brake part by pretending to pull the emergency brake (going thru the motions) then purposely stalling when I let the clutch out too quickly. On Wed, Jul 30,

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread LWB250
All I can say is I will never buy a new car again. It will be a while before I'm ready for another vehicle, but when I do, it will be a 1-2 year old dealer resale. I've decided I'm never going to take the depreciation hit that one takes on a new car. The wife will want something different in

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Mitch Haley
GM dealers around here (Michigan) have been offering GMS (employee pricing) to everybody on 2008s, but I don't recall if that goes along with 6 years 0%. If you go new, I'd run the purchase through edmunds.com and see what incentives are offered in your area. BTW, my state's Farm Bureau has

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Gary Hurst
i remember when i moved to georgia, i had to get local inspection. went to a big chain place and failed. he said he couldn't help me, but i should go to this other place and give them 50 bucks. i was a tad confused, but went with it. went to the address, a really run down place in a really run

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Gary Hurst
ok, here is the question . suppose you financed that car through your local bank or credit union over 72 months. roughly what would be the rate you would get? give me that number and we can then do the math here On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Kris Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It

[MBZ] Roadside Perils

2008-07-30 Thread Jim Cathey
Dropped by one of our fine emporia for used cars today: Union Gospel Mission Used Cars. They had a black 116 parked out front with a $2k price on it. Shiny. Turns out it's a 450 SEL with manual HVAC, and the Ford cruise control. Interior in pretty decent shape except for the driver's seat

Re: [MBZ] OT Prelude

2008-07-30 Thread Wonko the Sane
I am a firm believer that you can't go wrong with a Honda -- be it a car (had an '89 Acura that I loved) or a motorcycle (took my '72 CB-500K on a 60 mile business trip today and it absolutely purred). On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always liked these

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Gary Hurst
ok, well, let me give you an example at a rate of 1/2 a percent a month. let's consider for a monent a car that costs 1000 dollars in total out the door. you put 10% down, which is 100 dollars. since you put that money down right now, it's worth 100 dollars right now. 900 dollars over 72 months

Re: [MBZ] 928

2008-07-30 Thread RELNGSON
Spanaway is not in central Washington. Here's a thought: since Porsche used an M-B auto box in the 928, would the transmission from a 5-speed 928 be an easy swap into an M-B? (I.e. maybe the Porsche engine was designed to mate easily with M-B trannies...) I'm sure the 928 used MB trans

Re: [MBZ] OT Prelude

2008-07-30 Thread OK Don
Freind at work just got out from under a '97 Honda - with 60k miles, and a bad tranny. Seems it was a known failure, with no factory support (like the rod bender). Like I've said before, there's the original car, and there are the imitations. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Wonko the Sane [EMAIL

Re: [MBZ] OT Prelude

2008-07-30 Thread Wonko the Sane
My son owns a 2007 Civic Hybrid that, so far, seems to be bullet-proof. Had I his income, I'd own one myself. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:18 PM, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freind at work just got out from under a '97 Honda - with 60k miles, and a bad tranny. Seems it was a known failure,

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:59:04 -0500 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably will have to put up with some hostility at the place they would be picked up from. I'd like you to lie about paying big prices for the honor of hauling them off. What's up with that? Craig

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Rich Thomas
6 yr is ridiculous, you'll be so far underwater you won't be able to get out. --R Gary Hurst wrote: ok, here is the question . suppose you financed that car through your local bank or credit union over 72 months. roughly what would be the rate you would get? give me that number and we can

[MBZ] something for your football fans / car guys

2008-07-30 Thread Wonko the Sane
My son bought an old camper and has ... well, er, pimped it for Virginia Tech football game tailgating. Paint dried only a few days ago. http://don1.homelinux.net/~don/vt/ D. -- LT Don http://don.homelinux.net/~don/ apt-get update apt-get upgrade The following packages will be replaced Prez

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Wonko the Sane
It is an Iowa thing. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:59:04 -0500 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably will have to put up with some hostility at the place they would be picked up from. I'd like you to lie about

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Wonko the Sane
If you can drive it for ten years (not unrealistic for today's automobiles) then you end up not underwater. That being said, the day I win PowerBall will be the next time I buy a new car or motorcycle. The depreciation is ridiculous. PowerBall = order to my specs an E-Cass Benz diesel and a

Re: [MBZ] OT Prelude

2008-07-30 Thread Allan Streib
Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My son owns a 2007 Civic Hybrid that, so far, seems to be bullet-proof. Fast-forward at least 5 years, preferably 10. I certainly would expect ANY 2007 car to be problem-free in 2008. Allan -- 1983 300D ___

Re: [MBZ] something for your football fans / car guys

2008-07-30 Thread Rich Thomas
I bet tailgating ain't all he's gonna be doing in that thing, something else to do with tail. --R Wonko the Sane wrote: My son bought an old camper and has ... well, er, pimped it for Virginia Tech football game tailgating. Paint dried only a few days ago. http://don1.homelinux.net/~don/vt/

Re: [MBZ] something for your football fans / car guys

2008-07-30 Thread Robert Rentfro
Sweet. Did he learn his painting/bodywork skills from you? He will be the envy of student tailgaters. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ]

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Loren Faeth
It is only 200 miles further. You could start your own okieBenz lot in your backyard and make tons of money selling parts on ebay At 06:15 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: If you have a similar deal in the Ames area, let me know. I know a guy with a trailer pickup. You have met him. D. On Wed, Jul

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Loren Faeth
you obviously didn't read my earlier post about the parts cars. Not a big thing. You can tell them where to stuff it. At 09:46 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:59:04 -0500 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably will have to put up with some hostility at the place

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Loren Faeth
You can buy your SDL and drive it back too! I have to sell stuff off besides giving away junkers At 06:54 PM 7/30/2008, you wrote: crap, too bad i was not coming up there anyway. Maybe I will haul one off if I get to drive back a SDL or something. Loren Faeth wrote: Does anyone want an 85

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:07:00 -0500 Wonko the Sane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is an Iowa thing. OK, for the ignorant and uninformed, please explain ... Craig On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 9:46 PM, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:59:04 -0500 Loren Faeth

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Steve MacSween
A friend of mine got threatened with a long gun in such a situation, followed by threats from the local law enforcement to charge him with trespass and attempted theft. For attempting to pick up a vehicle he had a bill of sale for. If it's a hostile situation then YOU get the damn cars out.

Re: [MBZ] Parts cars, FREE for the hauling

2008-07-30 Thread Craig McCluskey
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:03:05 -0500 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you obviously didn't read my earlier post about the parts cars. Either that or I forgot it. I've been somewhat forgetful since my Dad's funeral in early May. Not a big thing. You can tell them where to stuff it. Oh.

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Redghost
WHY IN GOD'S GOOD NAME are you even considering a 72 month finance? IF you are not able to afford the stupid thing outright, is there a question about your ability to actually afford the car in the first place? When did we all figure that we could purchase stuff we really have no business

Re: [MBZ] 928

2008-07-30 Thread Redghost
Spanaway is actually meth head central. If there is something for sale in spanaway, you can be sure it has been connected to meth in one way or another. I steer clear, since it will just perpetuate their meth cooking or thievery. clay On 30 Jul 2008, at 19:06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: [MBZ] OT : Buying new/financing

2008-07-30 Thread Redghost
SWMBA is looking at the 2006 R series. Around here they have dropped half retail in only two years. Either they are total crap and really were worth $25k new, or I think that there is no way a car built today will be functional in any shape within a decade of driving off dealer lot.