Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
And if you see a Symbol/Motorola handheld barcode scanner at the checkout, odds are it was worked on by Yr. Humble Servant. -MMM- On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:21 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1991 350SDL knock
I just asked him in the thread. Let's see what he says. The original thread about the knocking was never closed, so it's unknown if there was a resolution. Knowing little about these engines, were you suggesting it's knocking due to a bent rod? Thanks for catching that, Hendrik. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:23 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Good point. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350SDL knock Whilst there ask him if he got his knock sorted out? http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1947938-need-help-fixing-idle-knock-91-a.html Hendrik who has to knock on wood On 03/04/14 12:31, Dan Penoff wrote: Drop him a note and ask. Dan On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:58 PM, WILTON wrote: But he doesn't say a word about the possible rod-bender engine. I'd love to have it if the engine has been replaced by factory crate engine. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1991 350SDL knock
Sounds more like nailing than knocking? On Apr 3, 2014 7:13 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I just asked him in the thread. Let's see what he says. The original thread about the knocking was never closed, so it's unknown if there was a resolution. Knowing little about these engines, were you suggesting it's knocking due to a bent rod? Thanks for catching that, Hendrik. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:23 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Good point. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350SDL knock Whilst there ask him if he got his knock sorted out? http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1947938-need-help-fixing-idle-knock-91-a.html Hendrik who has to knock on wood On 03/04/14 12:31, Dan Penoff wrote: Drop him a note and ask. Dan On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:58 PM, WILTON wrote: But he doesn't say a word about the possible rod-bender engine. I'd love to have it if the engine has been replaced by factory crate engine. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 1991 350SDL knock
My thoughts, too, on the nailing. Wilt - Original Message - From: Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350SDL knock Sounds more like nailing than knocking? On Apr 3, 2014 7:13 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: I just asked him in the thread. Let's see what he says. The original thread about the knocking was never closed, so it's unknown if there was a resolution. Knowing little about these engines, were you suggesting it's knocking due to a bent rod? Thanks for catching that, Hendrik. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 12:23 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Good point. Wilton - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1991 350SDL knock Whilst there ask him if he got his knock sorted out? http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/1947938-need-help-fixing-idle-knock-91-a.html Hendrik who has to knock on wood On 03/04/14 12:31, Dan Penoff wrote: Drop him a note and ask. Dan On Apr 2, 2014, at 9:58 PM, WILTON wrote: But he doesn't say a word about the possible rod-bender engine. I'd love to have it if the engine has been replaced by factory crate engine. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD
Yeah, with my electric scooter. Wilt - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD I was going to suggest that you stick your head in the trunk/boot but then it's probably full off amps and subwoofers. Hendrik who dose not have a fancy sound system On 03/04/14 14:45, WILTON wrote: Yeah, I know it's hard to believe that such a hip guy has never listened to that crap music. BTW, I never sat in the car overnight listening for the little electric motor, either. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Get out the MityVac and check the shutdown actuator. There might be one of those vacuum check valves in line with it that is leaking or failing. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Yeah it is a vacuum leak somewhere. --R On 4/3/14 10:03 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Get out the MityVac and check the shutdown actuator. There might be one of those vacuum check valves in line with it that is leaking or failing. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Oh and if you rev the engine when the key is off (and in park) that will likely hasten the shutdown. --R On 4/3/14 9:55 AM, WILTON wrote: Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD
So when I got home yesterday afternoon the car would not start. Turned a little, but died. I am leaning toward the battery won't hold a charge explanation. The battery was only slightly drained, jsut enough to prevent starting. Tonight I will the glove box door, which I doubt is the problem. If it isn't, and there are no other obvious answers, the low hanging fruit picking approach has me remove the battery and take it to Sears. They can test it and if it's unable to take a charge I will simply trade it in for one of their totally awesome 850 CCA Diehards. I will from that point live happily ever after. Once the battery problem has been solved and I can drive the '85 300TD again, I will start a new thread about whining (it's not what you think). Andrew Who looks forward to warm days so he can fiddle with his garage and two station wagons. Go Nats! On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:43 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yeah, with my electric scooter. Wilt - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD I was going to suggest that you stick your head in the trunk/boot but then it's probably full off amps and subwoofers. Hendrik who dose not have a fancy sound system On 03/04/14 14:45, WILTON wrote: Yeah, I know it's hard to believe that such a hip guy has never listened to that crap music. BTW, I never sat in the car overnight listening for the little electric motor, either. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Yep. 'Done that, too. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Oh and if you rev the engine when the key is off (and in park) that will likely hasten the shutdown. --R On 4/3/14 9:55 AM, WILTON wrote: Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Yep, agreed. Wilt - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Yeah it is a vacuum leak somewhere. --R On 4/3/14 10:03 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: Get out the MityVac and check the shutdown actuator. There might be one of those vacuum check valves in line with it that is leaking or failing. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 9:55 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD
Well you should probably try to drive there so they can check the alternator too. --R On 4/3/14 10:22 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So when I got home yesterday afternoon the car would not start. Turned a little, but died. I am leaning toward the battery won't hold a charge explanation. The battery was only slightly drained, jsut enough to prevent starting. Tonight I will the glove box door, which I doubt is the problem. If it isn't, and there are no other obvious answers, the low hanging fruit picking approach has me remove the battery and take it to Sears. They can test it and if it's unable to take a charge I will simply trade it in for one of their totally awesome 850 CCA Diehards. I will from that point live happily ever after. Once the battery problem has been solved and I can drive the '85 300TD again, I will start a new thread about whining (it's not what you think). Andrew Who looks forward to warm days so he can fiddle with his garage and two station wagons. Go Nats! On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:43 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yeah, with my electric scooter. Wilt - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD I was going to suggest that you stick your head in the trunk/boot but then it's probably full off amps and subwoofers. Hendrik who dose not have a fancy sound system On 03/04/14 14:45, WILTON wrote: Yeah, I know it's hard to believe that such a hip guy has never listened to that crap music. BTW, I never sat in the car overnight listening for the little electric motor, either. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD
D'OH! On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Well you should probably try to drive there so they can check the alternator too. --R On 4/3/14 10:22 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: So when I got home yesterday afternoon the car would not start. Turned a little, but died. I am leaning toward the battery won't hold a charge explanation. The battery was only slightly drained, jsut enough to prevent starting. Tonight I will the glove box door, which I doubt is the problem. If it isn't, and there are no other obvious answers, the low hanging fruit picking approach has me remove the battery and take it to Sears. They can test it and if it's unable to take a charge I will simply trade it in for one of their totally awesome 850 CCA Diehards. I will from that point live happily ever after. Once the battery problem has been solved and I can drive the '85 300TD again, I will start a new thread about whining (it's not what you think). Andrew Who looks forward to warm days so he can fiddle with his garage and two station wagons. Go Nats! On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 9:43 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Yeah, with my electric scooter. Wilt - Original Message - From: Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD I was going to suggest that you stick your head in the trunk/boot but then it's probably full off amps and subwoofers. Hendrik who dose not have a fancy sound system On 03/04/14 14:45, WILTON wrote: Yeah, I know it's hard to believe that such a hip guy has never listened to that crap music. BTW, I never sat in the car overnight listening for the little electric motor, either. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Total billing to me, inclusive of dr, er, hospital. Total bill to insurance was much higher. Large part of total bill to insurance 'written off' because of previous negotiated rates. I think it's all a game. Just too bad that those who don't or didn't have insurance also do not have the negotiating ability of the insurance companies. The poor are charged as much as possible by whatever rules govern these practices. Then they are hounded for payment. Insurance companies get way better prices. Upshot of this to me is to have insurance, even if it's really high deductible insurance. Then the negotiation is taken care of before you get the final bill. It all appears to be a game. Noticed in the paper today a local healthcare provider, supposedly non profit, was crowing about how many millions in free health care they gave away last year. All the puzzle pieces don't fit, IMO. On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Richard Hattaway wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. Total bill, or total co-pay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Wife's hip replacement surgery last year cost us around $1000 out of pocket. Never saw the hospital bill, but I'm sure it was ridiculous and negotiated down considerably from the list prices. When my oldest son was going to be hospitalized for a few days some years back, I saw the rack rate was $400/day, but the provider rate was something like $125/day. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:16 AM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.com wrote: Total billing to me, inclusive of dr, er, hospital. Total bill to insurance was much higher. Large part of total bill to insurance 'written off' because of previous negotiated rates. I think it's all a game. Just too bad that those who don't or didn't have insurance also do not have the negotiating ability of the insurance companies. The poor are charged as much as possible by whatever rules govern these practices. Then they are hounded for payment. Insurance companies get way better prices. Upshot of this to me is to have insurance, even if it's really high deductible insurance. Then the negotiation is taken care of before you get the final bill. It all appears to be a game. Noticed in the paper today a local healthcare provider, supposedly non profit, was crowing about how many millions in free health care they gave away last year. All the puzzle pieces don't fit, IMO. On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Richard Hattaway wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. Total bill, or total co-pay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Why So Pricey?
Why does this cost as much as nine Blaupunkt Toronto receivers?http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I5X1Q8Y?ie=UTF8at=force-full-site=1ref_=aw_bottom_linksRick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Why So Pricey?
The Bremen costs more. For the life of me I can't understand why these are so pricey, unless it's because of the audiophile level stuff, like 108 equalizer levels. 108? Really? Oy. Dan who can't hear that well anyway Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Why does this cost as much as nine Blaupunkt Toronto receivers? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I5X1Q8Y?ie=UTF8at=force-full-site=1ref_=aw_bottom_links Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Why So Pricey?
Putting things into perspective, the now-archaic Becker Mexico AM-FM cassette with the signal-seeking bar was a $1,500 option back in the 1970s. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The Bremen costs more. For the life of me I can't understand why these are so pricey, unless it's because of the audiophile level stuff, like 108 equalizer levels. 108? Really? Oy. Dan who can't hear that well anyway Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Why does this cost as much as nine Blaupunkt Toronto receivers? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I5X1Q8Y?ie=UTF8at=force-full-site=1ref_=aw_bottom_links Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Why So Pricey?
Meanwhile, I do quite nicely with a $30 Dual stereo, thank you kindly. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Putting things into perspective, the now-archaic Becker Mexico AM-FM cassette with the signal-seeking bar was a $1,500 option back in the 1970s. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The Bremen costs more. For the life of me I can't understand why these are so pricey, unless it's because of the audiophile level stuff, like 108 equalizer levels. 108? Really? Oy. Dan who can't hear that well anyway Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Why does this cost as much as nine Blaupunkt Toronto receivers? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I5X1Q8Y?ie=UTF8at=force-full-site=1ref_=aw_bottom_links Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Why So Pricey?
THE Dual, as in Dual turntables?? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.comwrote: Meanwhile, I do quite nicely with a $30 Dual stereo, thank you kindly. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Putting things into perspective, the now-archaic Becker Mexico AM-FM cassette with the signal-seeking bar was a $1,500 option back in the 1970s. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The Bremen costs more. For the life of me I can't understand why these are so pricey, unless it's because of the audiophile level stuff, like 108 equalizer levels. 108? Really? Oy. Dan who can't hear that well anyway Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Why does this cost as much as nine Blaupunkt Toronto receivers? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I5X1Q8Y?ie=UTF8at=force-full-site=1ref_=aw_bottom_links Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
You can test the shut-off valve with a length of hose and the suction provided by your mouth. If the valve works, then most likely a hose is leaking. Could also be the vacuum switch on ignition, or weak vacuum pump. Is the cover on your vacuum pump crimped on, or screwed on? Original crimped cover pumps prone to catastrophic failure, which can destroy the engine. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 9:55:26 AM EDT To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Why So Pricey?
Yup. http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/dual-electronics-15-x-4-channel-60w-mechless-digital-media-receiver-xr4110-xr4115/6050329-p?searchTerm=mp3+players On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: THE Dual, as in Dual turntables?? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwhile, I do quite nicely with a $30 Dual stereo, thank you kindly. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Putting things into perspective, the now-archaic Becker Mexico AM-FM cassette with the signal-seeking bar was a $1,500 option back in the 1970s. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The Bremen costs more. For the life of me I can't understand why these are so pricey, unless it's because of the audiophile level stuff, like 108 equalizer levels. 108? Really? Oy. Dan who can't hear that well anyway Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Why does this cost as much as nine Blaupunkt Toronto receivers? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I5X1Q8Y?ie=UTF8at=force-full-site=1ref_=aw_bottom_links Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
My thoughts, too, on the switch and the pump. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown You can test the shut-off valve with a length of hose and the suction provided by your mouth. If the valve works, then most likely a hose is leaking. Could also be the vacuum switch on ignition, or weak vacuum pump. Is the cover on your vacuum pump crimped on, or screwed on? Original crimped cover pumps prone to catastrophic failure, which can destroy the engine. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 9:55:26 AM EDT To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Replacing the vacuum shut-off valve isn't too easy with the intake manifold in place, but it's possible. If I recall accurately, both the ALDA and the connection for the fuel rack position sensor must be removed first. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 1:25:06 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown My thoughts, too, on the switch and the pump. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown You can test the shut-off valve with a length of hose and the suction provided by your mouth. If the valve works, then most likely a hose is leaking. Could also be the vacuum switch on ignition, or weak vacuum pump. Is the cover on your vacuum pump crimped on, or screwed on? Original crimped cover pumps prone to catastrophic failure, which can destroy the engine. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 9:55:26 AM EDT To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Yep, 'was 'fraid of that. Wilt - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Replacing the vacuum shut-off valve isn't too easy with the intake manifold in place, but it's possible. If I recall accurately, both the ALDA and the connection for the fuel rack position sensor must be removed first. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 1:25:06 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown My thoughts, too, on the switch and the pump. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown You can test the shut-off valve with a length of hose and the suction provided by your mouth. If the valve works, then most likely a hose is leaking. Could also be the vacuum switch on ignition, or weak vacuum pump. Is the cover on your vacuum pump crimped on, or screwed on? Original crimped cover pumps prone to catastrophic failure, which can destroy the engine. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 9:55:26 AM EDT To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart in almost 10 years. So, it does bother me to pay for others beyond what I already give to the government on their abnormal basis. In the small town where I live, Wal-Mart came in and put other stores out of business and then as usual raised their prices. Wal-Mart is sort of like one of the political parties that like to keep citizens poor and beholden to them in order to get their votes, or in this case a job. Anyway, if you look around and buy American made products (which you can still find if you care to look), then Wal-Mart wouldn't be so rich and powerful. Just my opinion, yours can be yours. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy
There are meddlings that people do engage in that are not really for the benefit of the whole. I think we should have allowed the whole financial mess to run its full path. Instead, it got massaged, which is only prolonging the troubles. The perpetrators of the mess are not suffering, and the little guys are still getting screwed. If it had all gone in the crapper, the big guys would have been attempting to fly out their corporate head quarters, much as the corporate titans did 85 years ago. clay On Apr 2, 2014, at 6:20 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Dan Penoff wrote: I think what he has done since his presidency is even better than anything he did while in office. Aside from the utter hypocrisy of lecturing North Korea on the evils of boycotting an Olympiad, I'd agree with you that he's been better for the world as a former president than as a president. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
Walmart was the trojan horse the orientals used to take over Amerika. It stole the manufacturing jobs that supported the middle class, poisoned the low wage earners with low value (in both quality and price) goods, and robbed the treasury of taxes, and over whelms the entitlement programs. I have not idea the impact down under, but I am sure it is just as bad. clay On Apr 2, 2014, at 8:48 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: Well depends from which angle you look at it, obviously wallymartian bosses (we shall call them the enslavers)will be loving paying 3/4 of stuff all for someone to stack the shelves with quality merchandise from the mysterious orient. The governmentalists will be liking the way it keeps the unemployment rate down and if these people where not slaving away in the big box, they would probably be robbing you and me, or selling crack to the local kindergarden kids, or getting your sister pregnant with future walmartian workers. Hendrik who does not have a walmart nearby, we have Big W which is sort of like that On 03/04/14 13:53, Mountain Man wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
What Roger said. Walmart came into our small town in Wisconsin and in doing so destroyed a thriving business district full of small locally owned businesses. I am still bitter about it to this day, and while I do occasionally shop at Walmart, it pains me to do so. Going through my receipts from last year while doing taxes I found that I had spent a grand total of around $200 at Walmart, a pittance of our total household spending. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:00 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart in almost 10 years. So, it does bother me to pay for others beyond what I already give to the government on their abnormal basis. In the small town where I live, Wal-Mart came in and put other stores out of business and then as usual raised their prices. Wal-Mart is sort of like one of the political parties that like to keep citizens poor and beholden to them in order to get their votes, or in this case a job. Anyway, if you look around and buy American made products (which you can still find if you care to look), then Wal-Mart wouldn't be so rich and powerful. Just my opinion, yours can be yours. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Why So Pricey?
That's $30? I didn't see a price on the webpage. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:13 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.comwrote: Yup. http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/dual-electronics-15-x-4-channel-60w-mechless-digital-media-receiver-xr4110-xr4115/6050329-p?searchTerm=mp3+players On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: THE Dual, as in Dual turntables?? On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:51 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel marme...@gmail.com wrote: Meanwhile, I do quite nicely with a $30 Dual stereo, thank you kindly. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Putting things into perspective, the now-archaic Becker Mexico AM-FM cassette with the signal-seeking bar was a $1,500 option back in the 1970s. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: The Bremen costs more. For the life of me I can't understand why these are so pricey, unless it's because of the audiophile level stuff, like 108 equalizer levels. 108? Really? Oy. Dan who can't hear that well anyway Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 11:33 AM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Why does this cost as much as nine Blaupunkt Toronto receivers? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00I5X1Q8Y?ie=UTF8at=force-full-site=1ref_=aw_bottom_links Rick Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
You cannot change it so try not to worry about it. We can cry aboout China but the fact remains that China did not come to us so much as we went to them. All of our MBA grads looked for ways to do things cheaper so that their bonuses would be bigger. They are the ones who sold us out. We just went along like sheep happy to get substandard goods cheaper than what we were accustomed to paying. We did it to ourselves and I don't think we can lay all of the fault on Walmart. Randy On 03/04/2014 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Let's organize a boycott of Walmart by Mercedes diesel lovers. That will get their attention! On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: What Roger said. Walmart came into our small town in Wisconsin and in doing so destroyed a thriving business district full of small locally owned businesses. I am still bitter about it to this day, and while I do occasionally shop at Walmart, it pains me to do so. Going through my receipts from last year while doing taxes I found that I had spent a grand total of around $200 at Walmart, a pittance of our total household spending. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:00 PM, roger...@comcast.net wrote: I haven't shopped at Wal-Mart in almost 10 years. So, it does bother me to pay for others beyond what I already give to the government on their abnormal basis. In the small town where I live, Wal-Mart came in and put other stores out of business and then as usual raised their prices. Wal-Mart is sort of like one of the political parties that like to keep citizens poor and beholden to them in order to get their votes, or in this case a job. Anyway, if you look around and buy American made products (which you can still find if you care to look), then Wal-Mart wouldn't be so rich and powerful. Just my opinion, yours can be yours. Best Wishes, Roger Roger Hale Dinnerware Classics, Inc. Monroe, Ga. 770-267-0850 www.dinnerwareclassics.com (new) www.southernnightsantiques.com (antique) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
I am still confused about ACA. The whole circus was to be able to provide lower cost health care to a larger contingent of consumers. There were supposed to be something like 47 million uninsured consumers in need of the new ACA programs. These people were going to be paying into a big pot of cash. Everybody would get much lower hospital bills. Now Our Great Leader is trumpeting that this circus has liberated 7 million people from the horrors of being without insurance. Does this mean there are still 40 million people with no health program? And if the program has snagged a bunch of users, are these the young users, who cost nothing, but pour scads of cash into the program, or are the new folks all old and going to suck the system dry? just asking clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:16 AM, Richard Hattaway wrote: Total billing to me, inclusive of dr, er, hospital. Total bill to insurance was much higher. Large part of total bill to insurance 'written off' because of previous negotiated rates. I think it's all a game. Just too bad that those who don't or didn't have insurance also do not have the negotiating ability of the insurance companies. The poor are charged as much as possible by whatever rules govern these practices. Then they are hounded for payment. Insurance companies get way better prices. Upshot of this to me is to have insurance, even if it's really high deductible insurance. Then the negotiation is taken care of before you get the final bill. It all appears to be a game. Noticed in the paper today a local healthcare provider, supposedly non profit, was crowing about how many millions in free health care they gave away last year. All the puzzle pieces don't fit, IMO. On Monday, March 31, 2014 8:27 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Richard Hattaway wrote: Not had this happen to us. Recent ( 2012 ) trip to ER, then 3 days hospital stay, wife's heart attack, and my total bill was something under $1000. Not bad, IMO. Total bill, or total co-pay? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
It doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense. And oh, by the way (1) how many of those 7M have actually signed up and made a first payment to an insco (vs just signing up on on the ACA site) and (2) how many were previously insured but lost coverage because it didn't comply with ACA? There are considerably more than 40M still uninsured. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT) I am still confused about ACA. The whole circus was to be able to provide lower cost health care to a larger contingent of consumers. There were supposed to be something like 47 million uninsured consumers in need of the new ACA programs. These people were going to be paying into a big pot of cash. Everybody would get much lower hospital bills. Now Our Great Leader is trumpeting that this circus has liberated 7 million people from the horrors of being without insurance. Does this mean there are still 40 million people with no health program? And if the program has snagged a bunch of users, are these the young users, who cost nothing, but pour scads of cash into the program, or are the new folks all old and going to suck the system dry? just asking clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
What does a living wage even mean? Does it mean an apartment or a house? Car, bicycle or the shoe leather express? If it does mean a car is it a new car or 20 year old heap? This one you vote with your feet, you don't like Wal-Mart's business practices don't shop there. I don't. One of my Facebook friends was applauding Wal-Mart's push for more American made items, apparently decades of carrying only Chinese stuff doesn't matter as long as they're contrite and say they're going to change. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 12:36:20 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: CAC35L=ukhnpocxvdoa8uc6b9dmund_gq73akersqguz5kmw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
'Found the leak! Cracked/dry-rotted short little piece of rubber tubing in vac line at shutoff valve actuator on top of IP. Replaced it with short piece of fuel return tube. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Yep, 'was 'fraid of that. Wilt - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Replacing the vacuum shut-off valve isn't too easy with the intake manifold in place, but it's possible. If I recall accurately, both the ALDA and the connection for the fuel rack position sensor must be removed first. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 1:25:06 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown My thoughts, too, on the switch and the pump. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown You can test the shut-off valve with a length of hose and the suction provided by your mouth. If the valve works, then most likely a hose is leaking. Could also be the vacuum switch on ignition, or weak vacuum pump. Is the cover on your vacuum pump crimped on, or screwed on? Original crimped cover pumps prone to catastrophic failure, which can destroy the engine. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 9:55:26 AM EDT To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Attaboy! (I just *had* to say that!) Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 3:04 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Found the leak! Cracked/dry-rotted short little piece of rubber tubing in vac line at shutoff valve actuator on top of IP. Replaced it with short piece of fuel return tube. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Yep, 'was 'fraid of that. Wilt - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Replacing the vacuum shut-off valve isn't too easy with the intake manifold in place, but it's possible. If I recall accurately, both the ALDA and the connection for the fuel rack position sensor must be removed first. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 1:25:06 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown My thoughts, too, on the switch and the pump. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown You can test the shut-off valve with a length of hose and the suction provided by your mouth. If the valve works, then most likely a hose is leaking. Could also be the vacuum switch on ignition, or weak vacuum pump. Is the cover on your vacuum pump crimped on, or screwed on? Original crimped cover pumps prone to catastrophic failure, which can destroy the engine. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 9:55:26 AM EDT To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
Quite a few, it turns out. Also, a large slug of youngsters were among the crush of those applying at the deadline. Go USA! On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: It doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense. And oh, by the way (1) how many of those 7M have actually signed up and made a first payment to an insco (vs just signing up on on the ACA site) and (2) how many were previously insured but lost coverage because it didn't comply with ACA? There are considerably more than 40M still uninsured. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 2:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT) I am still confused about ACA. The whole circus was to be able to provide lower cost health care to a larger contingent of consumers. There were supposed to be something like 47 million uninsured consumers in need of the new ACA programs. These people were going to be paying into a big pot of cash. Everybody would get much lower hospital bills. Now Our Great Leader is trumpeting that this circus has liberated 7 million people from the horrors of being without insurance. Does this mean there are still 40 million people with no health program? And if the program has snagged a bunch of users, are these the young users, who cost nothing, but pour scads of cash into the program, or are the new folks all old and going to suck the system dry? just asking clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Except for Mobil 1 oil for the dizzels. Or that other stuff I buy now. --R On 4/3/14 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Let's organize a boycott of Walmart by Mercedes diesel lovers. That will get their attention! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
That was my primary purchase. Mobil1. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 3:10 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Except for Mobil 1 oil for the dizzels. Or that other stuff I buy now. --R On 4/3/14 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Let's organize a boycott of Walmart by Mercedes diesel lovers. That will get their attention! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Did you just type aboout or was that Canadian autocorrect? Sorry, I couldn't resist grin Dan y'all Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: You cannot change it so try not to worry about it. We can cry aboout China but the fact remains that China did not come to us so much as we went to them. All of our MBA grads looked for ways to do things cheaper so that their bonuses would be bigger. They are the ones who sold us out. We just went along like sheep happy to get substandard goods cheaper than what we were accustomed to paying. We did it to ourselves and I don't think we can lay all of the fault on Walmart. Randy On 03/04/2014 11:36 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: I will never be happy knowing that Walmart exists at the expense of taxpayer largesse. I would rather they pay a living wage and let the chips fall where they may. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, one way or the other we all pay. If Walmart paid higher wages the prices in the store would be higher so it would cost you more when you bought goods. (and don't tell me you don't shop there so it does not relate to you - competition is such that if Walmart's prices were higher, then prices would likely be higher where you do shop) You get to contribute to the monies going to the employees in one way or the other, so at the end of the day, it likely does not matter much. So stop worrying about things you cannot change and be happy! Randy On 02/04/2014 11:21 PM, OK Don wrote: Nope - it's the Walmart benefits plan - paid by you and me. On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: OK Don wrote: I can verify that Walmart's in OK send their new employees to the local welfare office to apply for food stamps and Medicaid. That's *not* a good thing, is it? mao ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Rich, you need to get with the program. In truth, WM is a leader in installing solar panels on their property, which I support. If they figure out a way to also support US manufacturing and raise their wage by, say, 15 percent across the board, I might even venture into one of their stores to purchase some bottled water (5 dozen for $3.99). On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 3:10 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Except for Mobil 1 oil for the dizzels. Or that other stuff I buy now. --R On 4/3/14 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Let's organize a boycott of Walmart by Mercedes diesel lovers. That will get their attention! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD
When my 300TD did this, the problem turned out to be a bad diode in the alternator. I replaced the rectifier assembly (twice) and both replacements also failed. Finally, I replaced the alternator with a Bosch reman from Rusty and it never failed while I owned the car. Use care not to damage the pulley moving it to the new alternator; even a small burr will destroy the belt in short order. Troubleshooting this (current leak) problem is straight forward assuming you have and can use a multimeter. I use leads with alligator clips to free up my hands. Most loads are fused so pulling fuses, one by one, while watching the meter, will tell you if one of those circuits is the problem. The start relay has its own fuse. The starter and alternator are hard wired to the battery (no fuse). The ETM for your vehicle can be quite helpful. I doubt a battery is the root cause but running a battery to zero will kill the battery, especially if done repeatedly and if left discharged for any time. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 10:23 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery charger bright sparks - W123 300TD So when I got home yesterday afternoon the car would not start. Turned a little, but died. I am leaning toward the battery won't hold a charge explanation. The battery was only slightly drained, jsut enough to prevent starting. Tonight I will the glove box door, which I doubt is the problem. If it isn't, and there are no other obvious answers, the low hanging fruit picking approach has me remove the battery and take it to Sears. They can test it and if it's unable to take a charge I will simply trade it in for one of their totally awesome 850 CCA Diehards. I will from that point live happily ever after. Once the battery problem has been solved and I can drive the '85 300TD again, I will start a new thread about whining (it's not what you think). Andrew Who looks forward to warm days so he can fiddle with his garage and two station wagons. Go Nats! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Glad it was simple... I too have used fuel return line in place of rotted vacuum line. Wonder how long it will hold up? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 3:04:55 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown 'Found the leak! Cracked/dry-rotted short little piece of rubber tubing in vac line at shutoff valve actuator on top of IP. Replaced it with short piece of fuel return tube. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
On 03/04/2014 1:55 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: What does a living wage even mean? Does it mean an apartment or a house? Car, bicycle or the shoe leather express? If it does mean a car is it a new car or 20 year old heap? This one you vote with your feet, you don't like Wal-Mart's business practices don't shop there. I don't. One of my Facebook friends was applauding Wal-Mart's push for more American made items, apparently decades of carrying only Chinese stuff doesn't matter as long as they're contrite and say they're going to change. -Curt I am not the world's biggest fan of Walmart. I don't know what my wife buys there but personally about the only things I have acquired from them in recent times is some Zerex coolant and some Mobil1 oil. However I will come to their defence again. They are not alone. It does not seem to matter where I shop these days, the majority of goods seem to have a Made in China stamp on them. It is sad but it is true and as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and there is no easy fix to it. Big business found cheaper goods and we bought them. We are big time consumers. The advertising flyers promise good deals on junk we don't need every day. We buy it and haul it home and store it. I really don't think you can say it is Walmart's fault. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Ah, I am just getting old. Fingers don't always do what they should on the keyboard and my eyes cannot see the screen so I don't notice the mistake and my hearing is even worse. What can I say No spell check on this either I guess or it should have nudged me with a red underline or something like that. Randy On 03/04/2014 2:13 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Did you just type aboout or was that Canadian autocorrect? Sorry, I couldn't resist grin Dan y'all Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: You cannot change it so try not to worry about it. We can cry aboout China but the fact remains that China did not come to us so much as we went to them. All of our MBA grads looked for ways to do things cheaper so that their bonuses would be bigger. They are the ones who sold us out. We just went along like sheep happy to get substandard goods cheaper than what we were accustomed to paying. We did it to ourselves and I don't think we can lay all of the fault on Walmart. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
On 03/04/2014 2:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Rich, you need to get with the program. In truth, WM is a leader in installing solar panels on their property, which I support. If they figure out a way to also support US manufacturing and raise their wage by, say, 15 percent across the board, I might even venture into one of their stores to purchase some bottled water (5 dozen for $3.99). Better check to see if that is Chinese water with appropriate additives. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
On 03/04/2014 2:04 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Found the leak! Cracked/dry-rotted short little piece of rubber tubing in vac line at shutoff valve actuator on top of IP. Replaced it with short piece of fuel return tube. Wilton You have inspired me Wilton. I have been opening the hood to shut the darned car off for about 3 summers. I swear I am going to have a look at the hoses this spring before I start using it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Replacing the vacuum shut-off valve isn't too easy with the intake manifold in place, but it's possible. If I recall accurately, both the ALDA and the connection for the fuel rack position sensor must be removed first. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC I did it with the manifold on, but you only need to remove the EDS plug. ALDA is further aft. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] National Friendship Week
His name was Fleming, and he was a poor Scottish farmer. One day, while trying to make a living for his family, he heard a cry for help coming from a nearby bog. He dropped his tools and ran to the bog. There, mired to his waist in black muck, was a terrified boy, screaming and struggling to free himself. Farmer Fleming saved the lad from what could have been a slow and terrifying death The next day, a fancy carriage pulled up to the Scotsman's sparse surroundings. An elegantly dressed nobleman stepped out and introduced himself as the father of the boy Farmer Fleming had saved. 'I want to repay you,' said the nobleman. 'You saved my son's life.' 'No, I can't accept payment for what I did,' the Scottish farmer replied waving off the offer. At that moment, the farmer's own son came to the door of the family hovel. 'Is that your son?' the nobleman asked. 'Yes,' the farmer replied proudly. 'I'll make you a deal. Let me provide him with the level of education my own son will enjoy If the lad is anything like his father, he'll no doubt grow to be a man we both will be proud of.' And that he did. Farmer Fleming's son attended the very best schools and in time, graduated from St. Mary's Hospital Medical School in London, and went on to become known throughout the world as the noted Sir Alexander Fleming, the discoverer of Penicillin. Years afterward, the same nobleman's son who was saved from the bog was stricken with pneumonia. What saved his life this time? Penicillin. The name of the nobleman? Lord Randolph Churchill .. His son's name? Sir Winston Churchill. Someone once said: What goes around comes around. Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. Live like it's Heaven on Earth. It's National Friendship Week Send this to everyone you consider A FRIEND. Pass this on, and brighten some ones day. AN IRISH FRIENDSHIP WISH: May there always be work for your hands to do; May your purse always hold a coin or two; May the sun always shine on your windowpane; May a rainbow be certain to follow each rain; May the hand of a friend always be near you; May God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you. and may you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows you're dead. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives
Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy
I saw a news report saying that Vietnam has sentenced rogue bankers to death. They are hoping to deter further bad banking behavior. I wonder if that would work here? I've lost the source, sorry, can't quote it. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:08 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: There are meddlings that people do engage in that are not really for the benefit of the whole. I think we should have allowed the whole financial mess to run its full path. Instead, it got massaged, which is only prolonging the troubles. The perpetrators of the mess are not suffering, and the little guys are still getting screwed. If it had all gone in the crapper, the big guys would have been attempting to fly out their corporate head quarters, much as the corporate titans did 85 years ago. clay -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy
That is a very forward thinking manner of dealing with corruption. Maybe we should institute that here clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: I saw a news report saying that Vietnam has sentenced rogue bankers to death. They are hoping to deter further bad banking behavior. I wonder if that would work here? I've lost the source, sorry, can't quote it. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 1:08 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: There are meddlings that people do engage in that are not really for the benefit of the whole. I think we should have allowed the whole financial mess to run its full path. Instead, it got massaged, which is only prolonging the troubles. The perpetrators of the mess are not suffering, and the little guys are still getting screwed. If it had all gone in the crapper, the big guys would have been attempting to fly out their corporate head quarters, much as the corporate titans did 85 years ago. clay -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy
I suspect that it's really more a means to distract the public from the huge amount of government corruption, but every little bit helps - - - On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 4:16 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: That is a very forward thinking manner of dealing with corruption. Maybe we should institute that here clay On Apr 3, 2014, at 2:10 PM, OK Don wrote: I saw a news report saying that Vietnam has sentenced rogue bankers to death. They are hoping to deter further bad banking behavior. I wonder if that would work here? I've lost the source, sorry, can't quote it. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] weekend projects
I scored Antarctica last night - only Africa to go. On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:30 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I finally got my antenna up, wire strung from the hangar roof (ground plane for the vertical antenna) to the house (200ft.) and got the radio on the air after almost three years. Found a contest under way and managed to score 23 countries representing most continents except Africa and Antarctica in four hours. Not bad for a rusty old ham and obsolete (15 yrs old) equipment. Can't forget that I also shot touch-and-goes on our 2500 ft. grass runway. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listons to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Well, alas - I'm afraid attaboys are premature. Half a dozen or so test shutdowns sitting in the yard after replacing the piece of tubing went very well - all shutdowns were immediate and normal. Hour or so ago, though, SWMBO came in after running some errands around town and said it STILL chugs along very slowly after turning key OFF. I went out and checked again; shonuff, it still does it. Unable to find another culprit yet. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Glad it was simple... I too have used fuel return line in place of rotted vacuum line. Wonder how long it will hold up? -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 3:04:55 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown 'Found the leak! Cracked/dry-rotted short little piece of rubber tubing in vac line at shutoff valve actuator on top of IP. Replaced it with short piece of fuel return tube. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] National Friendship Week
Fantastic! Thanks! Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: ardiwil...@insightbb.com; gator1...@comcast.net; Marcus Bailey arminbai...@gmail.com; Diana Dunn allcreature...@gmail.com; Richard Dunn fisherno...@icloud.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 4:51 PM Subject: [MBZ] National Friendship Week His name was Fleming, and he was a poor Scottish farmer. One day, while trying to make a living for his family, he heard a cry for help coming from a nearby bog. He dropped his tools and ran to the bog. There, mired to his waist in black muck, was a terrified boy, screaming and struggling to free himself. Farmer Fleming saved the lad from what could have been a slow and terrifying death The next day, a fancy carriage pulled up to the Scotsman's sparse surroundings. An elegantly dressed nobleman stepped out and introduced himself as the father of the boy Farmer Fleming had saved. 'I want to repay you,' said the nobleman. 'You saved my son's life.' 'No, I can't accept payment for what I did,' the Scottish farmer replied waving off the offer. At that moment, the farmer's own son came to the door of the family hovel. 'Is that your son?' the nobleman asked. 'Yes,' the farmer replied proudly. 'I'll make you a deal. Let me provide him with the level of education my own son will enjoy If the lad is anything like his father, he'll no doubt grow to be a man we both will be proud of.' And that he did. Farmer Fleming's son attended the very best schools and in time, graduated from St. Mary's Hospital Medical School in London, and went on to become known throughout the world as the noted Sir Alexander Fleming, the discoverer of Penicillin. Years afterward, the same nobleman's son who was saved from the bog was stricken with pneumonia. What saved his life this time? Penicillin. The name of the nobleman? Lord Randolph Churchill .. His son's name? Sir Winston Churchill. Someone once said: What goes around comes around. Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. Sing like nobody's listening. Live like it's Heaven on Earth. It's National Friendship Week Send this to everyone you consider A FRIEND. Pass this on, and brighten some ones day. AN IRISH FRIENDSHIP WISH: May there always be work for your hands to do; May your purse always hold a coin or two; May the sun always shine on your windowpane; May a rainbow be certain to follow each rain; May the hand of a friend always
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple. Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada, Europe) items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they don't need all that junk and that they can actually live better without it. An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. I have both the hike/trek and lifestyle. VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen cheap white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair I looked forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4 or 5 pairs and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:41:36 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: 533db970.9090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not the world's biggest fan of Walmart. I don't know what my wife buys there but personally about the only things I have acquired from them in recent times is some Zerex coolant and some Mobil1 oil. However I will come to their defence again. They are not alone. It does not seem to matter where I shop these days, the majority of goods seem to have a Made in China stamp on them. It is sad but it is true and as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and there is no easy fix to it. Big business found cheaper goods and we bought them. We are big time consumers. The advertising flyers promise good deals on junk we don't need every day. We buy it and haul it home and store it. I really don't think you can say it is Walmart's fault. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Thanks, but ATTABOY is a bit premature. See my post of a few minutes ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Attaboy! (I just *had* to say that!) Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 3:04 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: 'Found the leak! Cracked/dry-rotted short little piece of rubber tubing in vac line at shutoff valve actuator on top of IP. Replaced it with short piece of fuel return tube. Wilton - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Yep, 'was 'fraid of that. Wilt - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Replacing the vacuum shut-off valve isn't too easy with the intake manifold in place, but it's possible. If I recall accurately, both the ALDA and the connection for the fuel rack position sensor must be removed first. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 1:25:06 PM EDT To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown My thoughts, too, on the switch and the pump. Wilton - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown You can test the shut-off valve with a length of hose and the suction provided by your mouth. If the valve works, then most likely a hose is leaking. Could also be the vacuum switch on ignition, or weak vacuum pump. Is the cover on your vacuum pump crimped on, or screwed on? Original crimped cover pumps prone to catastrophic failure, which can destroy the engine. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC Original Message From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Sent: April 3, 2014 9:55:26 AM EDT To: mercedes list mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Since yesterday morning, my '87 300D has has gotten increasingly hard and slow to shut down after turning key switch OFF. By late afternoon yesterday and this morning, it merely slows way down to barely rotating but continues to run (extremely slowly) with key switch OFF. I know about the shutoff lever on the IP, but haven't used it yet. Last three times, I held brake and put it in gear and let it lug off. Unable to find any vacuum leak, yet, and tranny shifting seems normal. The shutdown seems as if the shutoff valve is partially closed, but is letting enough fuel to get past it to let the engine continue to run VERY SLOWLY. Suggestions? Shutoff valve on IP not fully actuating? Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery
Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown
Your car should be even easier to figure out, the pieces are all out and handy. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:03:00 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 124 wonky shutdown Message-ID: 533dbe74.4090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 03/04/2014 2:04 PM, WILTON wrote: 'Found the leak! Cracked/dry-rotted short little piece of rubber tubing in vac line at shutoff valve actuator on top of IP. Replaced it with short piece of fuel return tube. Wilton You have inspired me Wilton. I have been opening the hood to shut the darned car off for about 3 summers. I swear I am going to have a look at the hoses this spring before I start using it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy
I think we've gotten away too far from public humiliation. Standing in the stocks for a couple days at the entrance to Central Park would fix a lot of Wall Street bankers. Imagine if the Wolf of Wall Street had to personally apologize to each and every person he stole money from. That'd probably fix things pretty quick. Or caning like in Singapore. -Curt Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 16:10:36 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy Message-ID: CANZcij8AR42T8zg8FxcskX_HUuDtrrLh=jsoytjxc-h0jqr...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I saw a news report saying that Vietnam has sentenced rogue bankers to death. They are hoping to deter further bad banking behavior. I wonder if that would work here? I've lost the source, sorry, can't quote it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Agreed. Walmart has only given people what they want. As for their personnel polices, well, that's a whole 'nother issue. I do what Curt does as much as possible. I try to find high quality, American made products when I buy something. Better yet, whenever possible, I try to find local businesses who produce the product or sell them. I believe in keeping my money at home when possible, and while I often pay more for something I could get cheaper at Walmart, I know my money is staying close by and benefitting my local community. If we did this Walmart would not go away, but would be seriously diminished, I believe. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 3, 2014, at 6:30 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You're right of course but the solution is deceptively simple. Don't shop there. Buy a smaller amount of high quality items. TELL PEOPLE WHAT YOU'VE DONE. Buy them high quality made in the west (so USA, Canada, Europe) items so they see how good they are. Help people know that they don't need all that junk and that they can actually live better without it. An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. They're Merino wool, warm in the winter, cool in the summer. I have both the hike/trek and lifestyle. VERY expensive I pay as much for 1 pair as I'd have paid for a dozen cheap white tube socks but they're a joy to wear. When I only had one pair I looked forward to the day each week when I get to wear them. Now I have 4 or 5 pairs and I'm annoyed on the days they're all in the wash. I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. -Curt Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 14:41:36 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? Message-ID: 533db970.9090...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am not the world's biggest fan of Walmart. I don't know what my wife buys there but personally about the only things I have acquired from them in recent times is some Zerex coolant and some Mobil1 oil. However I will come to their defence again. They are not alone. It does not seem to matter where I shop these days, the majority of goods seem to have a Made in China stamp on them. It is sad but it is true and as I said before, we have done it to ourselves and there is no easy fix to it. Big business found cheaper goods and we bought them. We are big time consumers. The advertising flyers promise good deals on junk we don't need every day. We buy it and haul it home and store it. I really don't think you can say it is Walmart's fault. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Vietnamese clay pot
A little while ago, SWMBO brought home a beautiful glazed clay pot for a small maple tree on our side terrace/patio. 'Couldn't help but wonder if I might have stirred up some of the clay in that pot with the MANY (8,424) bombs I dropped on 'em in last half of '72. BTW, one can view on Google Earth some of the craters that I may have left near Radio Hanoi transmission towers off the SW corner of Hanoi. Obviously, the craters that are still visible in the fields nearby missed the towers. The pot is very heavy. SWMBO wondered how they were able to produce it, transport it and sell it to her for only $19. The potter probably got only a very few cents. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Britain mimicking America, (or America mimicking Britain?)
Gerry wrote: ...crusade to churn out a new generation of school-leavers drilled by soulless, dumbed-down and part-privatized education. So who is the leader here? Common Core UK style? or Common Core USA-Duncan style? Duncan is another protege of good looking Dem Daily-machine politics that rule Chicago for 50 years. Big Boss? - even moreso today, but what do I know. I know what MSM tells me, and... Another brick in the wall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOdYnj6BdyY mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Why So Pricey?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 14:29:20 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: That's $30? I didn't see a price on the webpage. See picture attached. Craig attachment: Screenshot-2.png___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Vietnamese clay pot
Check the pot for heroin residue (c: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 6:47 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: A little while ago, SWMBO brought home a beautiful glazed clay pot for a small maple tree on our side terrace/patio. 'Couldn't help but wonder if I might have stirred up some of the clay in that pot with the MANY (8,424) bombs I dropped on 'em in last half of '72. BTW, one can view on Google Earth some of the craters that I may have left near Radio Hanoi transmission towers off the SW corner of Hanoi. Obviously, the craters that are still visible in the fields nearby missed the towers. The pot is very heavy. SWMBO wondered how they were able to produce it, transport it and sell it to her for only $19. The potter probably got only a very few cents. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] I bet this is slow
http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/4404475853.html -- Sent from cPRO for iPhone, iPod and iPad Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Why So Pricey?
At 2:29 PM -0400 4/3/14, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That's $30? I didn't see a price on the webpage. $42, normally. I got it on sale. -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
On Thu, 03 Apr 2014 18:45:48 -0400 Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I do what Curt does as much as possible. I try to find high quality, American made products when I buy something. Better yet, whenever possible, I try to find local businesses who produce the product or sell them. I believe in keeping my money at home when possible, and while I often pay more for something I could get cheaper at Walmart, I know my money is staying close by and benefitting my local community. Well, that is indeed a good idea! How about we all share the good, USA made products we use or know of? Perhaps Kaleb could set up a page on the Okiebenz website to catalog our offerings. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 From: curtlud...@yahoo.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it? An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. I like Head brand socks myself. Made in USA. http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149207 http://www.amazon.com/Power-Cushioned-Socks-Combed-Cotton/dp/B001E3WXAC/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top Costco has them too. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
On Thu, 3 Apr 2014 15:30:50 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: An example I'm completely taken with Darn Tough socks http://darntough.com/ made in Vermont they're about the best socks I've ever had. To read about more high-end socks, go to: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424127887324682204578515021407071076?mod=WSJ_hp_EditorsPicksmg=reno64-wsjurl=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424127887324682204578515021407071076.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_hp_EditorsPicks#project=SOCKS0531articleTabs=article Too many Americans have an overstuffed sock drawer, filled with cheaply made products that fall apart and must be replaced several times a year, argues Thomas Lee, a co-founder of Goodhew Socks, based in Chattanooga, Tenn., which asks potential customers to Trust our Thread Architects, the company's sock designers. There's a backlash afoot over the disposability of consumer products, which Americans have taken for granted for 30 years, says Mr. Lee. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Vietnamese clay pot
It is stunning what can be produced from native products by a motivated population with no EPA, Minimum wage, Child Labor Laws, OSHA, or Unions. We marvel at the low cost, they marvel at our self imposed government burdens. I take it as further evidence they won the war on principles. On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Richard Hattaway rhatta...@rocketmail.comwrote: Check the pot for heroin residue (c: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 6:47 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: A little while ago, SWMBO brought home a beautiful glazed clay pot for a small maple tree on our side terrace/patio. 'Couldn't help but wonder if I might have stirred up some of the clay in that pot with the MANY (8,424) bombs I dropped on 'em in last half of '72. BTW, one can view on Google Earth some of the craters that I may have left near Radio Hanoi transmission towers off the SW corner of Hanoi. Obviously, the craters that are still visible in the fields nearby missed the towers. The pot is very heavy. SWMBO wondered how they were able to produce it, transport it and sell it to her for only $19. The potter probably got only a very few cents. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How mean is it?
clay wrote: Walmart was the trojan horse the orientals used to take over Amerika. It stole... Oh, c'mon - where are the corrections? - Grant, Jim, OKDon? It stole? - no, we bought. I quit years ago when I saw more china than usa. I darken the door at the Wally-Rig for non-prescription made in denmark stuff that costs 25% of what Walgreens charges. See, I am also evil like everyone else - price is god. Orientals did not steal, we buy. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
This Walmart hate-in is not logical. Around here, we have freedom to go to Walmart or not. Personally, I'm not going to blame Walmart if I or others choose to shop there. Likewise, I'm not going to blame Walmart if people choose to work there. The questions we should be asking are: (a) Why aren't there more good jobs? and (b) Why aren't more people qualified for the available good jobs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Political Statement for the Day (OnT)
clay wrote: I am still confused about ACA. ...Does this mean there are still 40 million people with no health program? I don't have insco and I don't qualify for ACA. There are millions of citizens that ACA does not address. Who? I don't know but I know it doesn't cover me. I haven't tried to apply... Sick and die? - I figure that is what I can do for my country. I don't want to ask what my ACA can do for me. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Self correcting economy
clay wrote: There are meddlings that people do engage in that are not really for the benefit of the whole. This is not new in humanity. Not ever before and certainly not today either. Get real - there is never equality. These people know how to hide and have learned how to hide for generations. We need to suck up, let it be, don't patronize their wares, live without. Lessee... where's that Olde New England Saw that everyone from ChowdahQ including the Chowdah King lives by... Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without. This is an interesting read: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/06/magazine/flash-boys-michael-lewis.html?ref=highfrequencyalgorithmictrading_r=0 mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Roger wrote: Anyway, if you look around and buy American made products (which you can still find if you care to look), then Wal-Mart wouldn't be so rich and powerful. Just my opinion, yours can be yours. Same as my opinion. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Maybe I should rephrase the question this way: Why can't North America (including the US) make competitive consumer products? -Original Message- From: Scott Ritchey Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 11:05 PM This Walmart hate-in is not logical. Around here, we have freedom to go to Walmart or not. Personally, I'm not going to blame Walmart if I or others choose to shop there. Likewise, I'm not going to blame Walmart if people choose to work there. The questions we should be asking are: (a) Why aren't there more good jobs? and (b) Why aren't more people qualified for the available good jobs? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Randy wrote: You cannot change it so try not to worry about it. We did it to ourselves and I don't think we can lay all of the fault on Walmart. +1 Totally!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Curt wrote: What does a living wage even mean? It means stop yer bitchin' and let it be. I bitch today because I won't ever have a paycheck again but when I had job I just did what I could do with what I had. Never able to qualify for mortgage, never borrow money, we ate well, quite healthy, don't visit doctors, had babies born at home, etc. Yeah - living wage is always a little bit more, always bitchin' mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Curt wrote: I won't go back to cheap socks, my feet are too important to me. Chinese merino wool? Thanks for recommending darntough socks. What leather do you wear over the socks? I wear Red Wing carefully because they have lines that are china. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Walmart: How big is it?
Scott wrote: Maybe I should rephrase the question this way: Why can't North America (including the US) make competitive consumer products? Maybe a MadeInUSA IPO that okiebenz buys can let the makers know that we want to buy American. Okiebenz is doing much to work our lives back to memorable good dayz, perhaps. Somehow the manufacturers need to see a market ready to buy USA stuff paying decent wage and priced for everyman. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Vietnamese clay pot
Grant wrote: It is stunning what can be produced from native products by a motivated population with no EPA, Minimum wage, Child Labor Laws, OSHA, or Unions. Somehow those costs should be shown on all imports. A label like the EPA stickers on new cars - showing the taxes collected to reflect OSHA, union, Child Labor Laws, Minimum Wage, EPA costs we need to collect to protect the climate change, etc and equalize the costs to US standards. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] Car Farts
These old cars are a pain in the posterior. Froggy has been having the farts (Backfiring) for a while. We have discussed it here a few times with all manner of solutions mentioned. I decided to see what another indy would find. I had attended a club meeting at a German car shop that was trying to get more attention from Benz owners. I had Froggy up on the lift at that gathering and minor issues were found, like that trans leak. They offer an oil change package that includes a 130 point inspection and all you pay for are the filter and fluids. At the end, you get a very nicely printed report of all the niggling and large items needing attention. Frosch has a few leaks at the front seal, differential, and on the trans cooler hose. The fuel delivery problem/back firing was the issue I wanted addressed, so there were a few days used trying to get that dealt with. New spark wires to replace the utter garbage I got from Q two years ago. Bosch wires are crap that fell apart at the boots. So far five of the eight failed. New distributor points were installed, though my other indy had claimed to have done the same. They checked a few other items and got the thing running the best it will until I can source fresh injectors and trigger points. Estimate is $5k for that job. I do have a set of used injectors that could be tested and cleaned, then installed to deal with the sloppy spray pattern on the installed ones. Anybody think the trigger points can be rebuilt? Maybe if I had one or two from donor cars. clay 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately well tailored chap 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
