date:20180116

Speaking of gaga, Lady Gaga drives a 300D.  Beautiful blue, it was her 
granddad’s. She’s kinda cute too 

--R
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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 10:19 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I understand how some people might go gaga over him but as far as I’m 
> concerned he’s just another scummy rockstar. 
> 
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>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
>> 
>> Is that a joke?  Millions care about Lennon.  He was an icon who achieved 
>> martyrdom.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Classic center is selling a fully restored 65 for $250k. I’d rather buy 
>>> that. Who really cares about John Lennon.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jan 16, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 John Lennon's Pagoda is in Hemmings for $295k. 1965 230sl  custom order 
 rhd.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- Prisoners of War in the US

Wait, what?  Guineas in Southie?  WTF?  That ain’t right!  I guess they would 
know better than to try to escape. Likely be worse getting out of Southie than 
fighting in yurp and their survival chances would be lowah. 

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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 10:48 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> There,was,an Italian internment camp in Boston near where,UMass Boston is
> now on Columbia Point.
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Jan 16, 2018 10:23 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I found this one, documenting Italian POWs at Ackley, IA  I am not sure
>> what camp they were housed at.
>> 
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/wwiipics/comments/7fxxpr/italian_
>> pows_on_my_grandfathers_farm_summer_1944/
>> 
>> The first article I linked said some Italians were sent to Clarinda, but
>> the algona camp would have been a lot closer to Ackley.  There was a
>> vegetable canning plant in Ackley so it is likely a branch camp was there,
>> but I did not find any reference to it.
>> 
>> Lots of lost memory as that generation dies off.
>> 
>>> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>> January 16, 2018 at 4:47 PM
>>> There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods south of Kenora during the war
>>> too. I am told that they even gave the prisoners guns and let them go
>>> hunting. No worries I guess as these guys had it made in the shade. No way
>>> they wanted to escape and go back to the war. They spent the rest of the
>>> war being treated pretty well.
>>> There was, until only a few years ago, one of the former prisoners who
>>> owned a cottage in the area and came back every summer from Germany.
>>> 
>>> RB
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes brings back inline 6

Hopefully it’s not churned out in that Nissan plant in Tennessee!

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>  wrote:
> 
> That is nothing but positive.  Now if they could manage to fire some bow ties 
> and hire some good German engineers, and go back to the DIN in place of that 
> awful ISO, things would improve in MB land.
> 
>> Dimitri via Mercedes 
>> January 16, 2018 at 7:36 PM
>> http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-shows/detroit-auto-show/a15172506/mercedes-benz-phasing-out-v6/?src=socialflowFBRAT
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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

Yes there is a water based contact cement. Much better. 

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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 6:12 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I think there is low odor contact cement these days, but if not, or if you 
> get the old type, then make sure you have some ventilation.
> That stuff could kill you.
> 
> RB
> 
> 
>> On 16/01/2018 3:43 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> OK thanks for all the input guys, keep 'em coming if anything else comes to
>> mind.
>> 
>> Rick - question on the meaning of "both sides".  Do you mean tape on the
>> top (visible side) and on the back of the formica, or something else?  Tape
>> down, draw the line over the tape, and make cut through the tape, right?
>> 
>> I'm pretty sure that all the pieces I'm considering will either be on a
>> cabinet side (end of the kitchen island) or inside (under the kitchen sink)
>> so I won't have the luxury of finishing the edge with a router.  Flip side
>> of that coin is that the edges will be either caulked or covered with trim.
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Max asks:
>>> 
 ‎My main question right now is cutting >the stuff, do I need a special
>>> saw /
 saw blade or technique?
>>> Use a fine crosscut blade (like for veneer plywood), and apply tape to
>>> both sides of the area to be cut.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

Just get the little 1/4” router. You don’t need a big one, it would be more of 
a problem. The HF will be fine for a small quick job. If you want a better one 
the dewalt or Bosch Colt is good. Porter cable probably make one too, they are 
like $100 compared to the $20 HF. 

The bits are where you spend the money. 

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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> there used to be (a lot of) special laminate trimmer routers sold.  With even 
> a double wide having rock installed, there is not much market for laminate 
> trimmers any more.  But that is the right tool for the job.
> 
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> January 16, 2018 at 4:20 PM
>> Well now I have a great excuse - er, PROJECT for which to buy a router! HF
>> trip tomorrow...
>> 
>> -
>> Max
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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- Prisoners of War in the US

There,was,an Italian internment camp in Boston near where,UMass Boston is
now on Columbia Point.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 16, 2018 10:23 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I found this one, documenting Italian POWs at Ackley, IA  I am not sure
> what camp they were housed at.
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/wwiipics/comments/7fxxpr/italian_
> pows_on_my_grandfathers_farm_summer_1944/
>
> The first article I linked said some Italians were sent to Clarinda, but
> the algona camp would have been a lot closer to Ackley.  There was a
> vegetable canning plant in Ackley so it is likely a branch camp was there,
> but I did not find any reference to it.
>
> Lots of lost memory as that generation dies off.
>
>> Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>> January 16, 2018 at 4:47 PM
>> There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods south of Kenora during the war
>> too. I am told that they even gave the prisoners guns and let them go
>> hunting. No worries I guess as these guys had it made in the shade. No way
>> they wanted to escape and go back to the war. They spent the rest of the
>> war being treated pretty well.
>> There was, until only a few years ago, one of the former prisoners who
>> owned a cottage in the area and came back every summer from Germany.
>>
>> RB
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

I am a sucker for blue. One of the reasons I bought my China Blue [934]
300CD.

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On Jan 16, 2018 10:35 PM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes, it is a nice color.  It is, or is near to, what we used to call
> Mercedes blue, DB335 but that was not the official name.
>
> It is a great color for cars of the era.  110. 111. 113 etc.
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> January 16, 2018 at 9:28 PM
>> Nice color. In Sarasota-Dan could go over & look at it.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

more likely a forgery.   fake a data plate, scam some pictures, and 
bobbie's yer aunt.  Send a check for 300k please!



M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 9:32 PM
In addition, the factory data plate has been screwed back in place, 
and not

neatly. All the earmarks of a less than stellar Martha-ing at the very
least, or a possible botched resto.

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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

Yes, it is a nice color.  It is, or is near to, what we used to call 
Mercedes blue, DB335 but that was not the official name.


It is a great color for cars of the era.  110. 111. 113 etc.


Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 9:28 PM
Nice color. In Sarasota-Dan could go over & look at it.

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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

2018-01-16 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

In addition, the factory data plate has been screwed back in place, and not
neatly.  All the earmarks of a less than stellar Martha-ing at the very
least, or a possible botched resto.

-MMM-

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> If you really expected to get $300k for that car, (assuming the
> documentation is not forged) would you reallly put cheapa$$
> hankook tires on it?
>
> M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes 
>> January 16, 2018 at 9:24 PM
>> http://vintagemotorssarasota.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-
>> 230sl-rhd-ex-john-lennon/
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

Nice color. In Sarasota-Dan could go over & look at it.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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> https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/
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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

If you really expected to get $300k for that car, (assuming the 
documentation is not forged) would you reallly put cheapa$$ 
hankook tires on it?



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http://vintagemotorssarasota.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-230sl-rhd-ex-john-lennon/


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http://vintagemotorssarasota.com/listing/1965-mercedes-benz-230sl-rhd-ex-john-lennon/

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:21 PM, M. Mitchell Marmel 
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> https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/
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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- Prisoners of War in the US

I found this one, documenting Italian POWs at Ackley, IA  I am not sure  
what camp they were housed at.


https://www.reddit.com/r/wwiipics/comments/7fxxpr/italian_pows_on_my_grandfathers_farm_summer_1944/

The first article I linked said some Italians were sent to Clarinda, but 
the algona camp would have been a lot closer to Ackley.  There was a 
vegetable canning plant in Ackley so it is likely a branch camp was 
there, but I did not find any reference to it.


Lots of lost memory as that generation dies off.

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 4:47 PM
There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods south of Kenora during the 
war too. I am told that they even gave the prisoners guns and let them 
go hunting. No worries I guess as these guys had it made in the shade. 
No way they wanted to escape and go back to the war. They spent the 
rest of the war being treated pretty well.
There was, until only a few years ago, one of the former prisoners who 
owned a cottage in the area and came back every summer from Germany.


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2018-01-16 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/mercedes-benz/230sl/1982926.html
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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

I understand how some people might go gaga over him but as far as I’m concerned 
he’s just another scummy rockstar. 

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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 9:30 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> Is that a joke?  Millions care about Lennon.  He was an icon who achieved 
> martyrdom.
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:12 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Classic center is selling a fully restored 65 for $250k. I’d rather buy 
>> that. Who really cares about John Lennon.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Jan 16, 2018, at 6:57 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > John Lennon's Pagoda is in Hemmings for $295k. 1965 230sl  custom order 
>> > rhd.
>> >
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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

Good one!!

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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 10:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> only geezers would care about a lennon, or a Brian Wilson SL.  (The under 40 
> crowd would be more likely to be interested in a lenin car or a mao car.)
> 
>> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> January 16, 2018 at 8:35 PM
>> It is advertised with photo in Hemmings.  But ownership is soft variable in
>> car value. Like all the million 540k's that were Hitler's staff cars.
>> Dimitri might be right.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?

Nah. Dumb advertiser

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On Jan 16, 2018 9:39 PM, "G Mann via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Just did a search on the inter-web and found nothing about a diesel engine
> ever being available for a "380 SL"  only listing says it came with V8
> Gas engine
>
> Soo... if it really IS diesel. it's a Unicorn of Cars... grab
> it..
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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> > If the chain had been updated, then it would not need a "timing belt."
> >
> > Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> >> January 16, 2018 at 5:26 PM
> >> A million dollars? Diesel sl has to be rare.
> >> Seriously My MB Indy said 80 & 81,380sl's have single chain. Those,are
> >> problematic? If chain has been updated 2k sounds right?
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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?


That is as good as any possibility.


OK Don via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 8:50 PM
Maybe he put Diesel fuel in it, and now it won't run, so his "mechanic
buddy" said it needs a "timing belt" - we all know about all those Diesel
Mercedes . . . .



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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

only geezers would care about a lennon, or a Brian Wilson SL.  (The 
under 40 crowd would be more likely to be interested in a lenin car or a 
mao car.)



Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 8:35 PM
It is advertised with photo in Hemmings.  But ownership is soft variable in
car value. Like all the million 540k's that were Hitler's staff cars.
Dimitri might be right.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- Prisoners of War in the USA

http://www.iptv.org/iowapathways/mypath/world-war-ii-prisoners-war-iowa  
Germans at Algona and Clarinda.


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2002-10-07/news/0210070179_1_pow-camps-german-soldiers-traveling

http://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1554=annals-of-iowa   
Italian and German POWs.


I also read a thing that said Italians were housed at "Fairwiew, Iowa"  
I did not find any other info t  confirm this.  Fairview is an 
unincorporated settlement.  Probably either FairFIELD IA, or the IA was 
a typo and it was Fairview, LA, just downstream from Natchez.


http://www.prisonersinparadise.com/history.html

Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 4:47 PM
There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods south of Kenora during the 
war too. I am told that they even gave the prisoners guns and let them 
go hunting. No worries I guess as these guys had it made in the shade. 
No way they wanted to escape and go back to the war. They spent the 
rest of the war being treated pretty well.
There was, until only a few years ago, one of the former prisoners who 
owned a cottage in the area and came back every summer from Germany.


RB



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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?

Maybe he put Diesel fuel in it, and now it won't run, so his "mechanic
buddy" said it needs a "timing belt" - we all know about all those Diesel
Mercedes . . . .

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:39 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Just did a search on the inter-web and found nothing about a diesel engine
> ever being available for a "380 SL"  only listing says it came with V8
> Gas engine
>
> Soo... if it really IS diesel. it's a Unicorn of Cars... grab
> it..
>
> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > If the chain had been updated, then it would not need a "timing belt."
> >
> > Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
> >> January 16, 2018 at 5:26 PM
> >> A million dollars? Diesel sl has to be rare.
> >> Seriously My MB Indy said 80 & 81,380sl's have single chain. Those,are
> >> problematic? If chain has been updated 2k sounds right?
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?

2018-01-16 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Just did a search on the inter-web and found nothing about a diesel engine
ever being available for a "380 SL"  only listing says it came with V8
Gas engine

Soo... if it really IS diesel. it's a Unicorn of Cars... grab
it..

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> If the chain had been updated, then it would not need a "timing belt."
>
> Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>> January 16, 2018 at 5:26 PM
>> A million dollars? Diesel sl has to be rare.
>> Seriously My MB Indy said 80 & 81,380sl's have single chain. Those,are
>> problematic? If chain has been updated 2k sounds right?
>>
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes brings back inline 6

That is nothing but positive.  Now if they could manage to fire some bow 
ties and hire some good German engineers, and go back to the DIN in 
place of that awful ISO, things would improve in MB land.



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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

It is advertised with photo in Hemmings.  But ownership is soft variable in
car value. Like all the million 540k's that were Hitler's staff cars.
Dimitri might be right.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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Is that a joke?  Millions care about Lennon.  He was an icon who achieved
martyrdom.

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> Classic center is selling a fully restored 65 for $250k. I’d rather buy
> that. Who really cares about John Lennon.
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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

Is that a joke?  Millions care about Lennon.  He was an icon who achieved
martyrdom.

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> Classic center is selling a fully restored 65 for $250k. I’d rather buy
> that. Who really cares about John Lennon.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- German Prisoners of War in South Carolina

Amazing stories - great living history.  Thanks to all for sharing.

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> There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods south of Kenora during the war
> too. I am told that they even gave the prisoners guns and let them go
> hunting. No worries I guess as these guys had it made in the shade. No way
> they wanted to escape and go back to the war. They spent the rest of the
> war being treated pretty well.
> There was, until only a few years ago, one of the former prisoners who
> owned a cottage in the area and came back every summer from Germany.
>
> RB
>
>
>
> On 16/01/2018 4:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>
>>   Same is true for Houlton, Maine. Even today its pretty remote, this is
>> where RT95 starts (or stops I suppose) as it turns into Canada. The info I
>> found says they were housed in Houlton, I'm curious how they got to
>> Caribou, its an hour drive now...There was an Air Force (then Army Air
>> Corps) base in Presque Isle, maybe they had some stationed there? I
>> dunno...My grandmother wasn't actually around during the time of the story,
>> my dad lived with his maternal grandmother and uncle (great grandfather
>> died in '33) until my grandfather came back from the war in '45 or '46.
>>
>> -Curt
>>
>>  On Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 5:28:03 PM EST, Dan Penoff via
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>> The Army didn’t consider the POWs to be dangerous, nor were they worried
>> about them escaping.  Camp Atterbury was, and still is, in a very, very
>> rural area.  You could easily get lost in that place and never be found.
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
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>>> Family lore states that there were POWs on the farm. My dad was born in
>>> '43 and apparently one of the POWs asked where his father was to which he
>>> replied "Over in Germany killin Germans!"
>>>
>>> Grandmother talks of bringing lunch out and accidentally driving away
>>> with the guard's gun in the car.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] e300 cruise control

My '87 wagon cruise used to do that cut-out then resume thing, felt like an
engine miss.  It would do it twice in a row shortly after engaging the
cruise, and then be fine for hours.

I used the CC troubleshooting steps on Jim Cathey's site to test the
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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

2018-01-16 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Max sez:

>‎Rick - question on the meaning of "both sides".

I wasn't clear on exactly what you are trying to cut. Formica laminate alone... 
router. Formica on press board already laminated... fine saw. And yes, masking 
tape on both sides to prevent chipping.

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[MBZ] Mercedes brings back inline 6

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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?


If the chain had been updated, then it would not need a "timing belt."


Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 5:26 PM
A million dollars? Diesel sl has to be rare.
Seriously My MB Indy said 80 & 81,380sl's have single chain. Those,are
problematic? If chain has been updated 2k sounds right?

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Re: [MBZ] Abbey Road driver

Classic center is selling a fully restored 65 for $250k. I’d rather buy that. 
Who really cares about John Lennon.

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> 
> John Lennon's Pagoda is in Hemmings for $295k. 1965 230sl  custom order rhd.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a $900 SLK?

Yeah that makes sense.

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> wrote:
> 
> I guess my point is that you can get a decent one with less mileage and in 
> better shape for probably twice that.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> How could you go wrong at $900? Yeah it’s not one of Mercedes’ best but 
>> still. A friend in med school had one and he complained about the poor 
>> interior build quality.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:17 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That’s too much money for that car, even if it was in decent shape.  The 
>>> resale on the early SLKs is horrible, almost as bad as the W220s.
>>> 
>>> I passed on a 2001 with under 100k, one owner, dealer maintained here in 
>>> Tampa last year for $2800.
>>> 
>>> Oh, yeah - these had serious issues with roof section seals, too.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
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 https://www.copart.com/lot/46155787
 
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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?

2018-01-16 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes

I would pay them full price if it really is diesel.  If it is being sold by a 
moron, I would offer about $600 for the rolling chassis.  The engine is toast 
if it needs the timing chain



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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 3:19 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 1981 Mercedes 380 sl
> 
> https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-380-sl/6462176336.html
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: 1995.5 E320 convertible

Yes

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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> If you’re talking to the seller,  it’s extreme damage, in a horrible place to 
> repair, the car will never be right again, etc., etc…..
> 
> If you ask me I would drive it as-is and hook up with on of your dealer 
> buddy’s paintless dent removal guys and see what they can do with it.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Here is the photo
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/16/2018 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Here is a photo of the damage.  It does not look that bad to me. He says 
>>> the trunk will no close.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> image1.jpeg
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a $900 SLK?

I guess my point is that you can get a decent one with less mileage and in 
better shape for probably twice that.

-D


> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:31 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
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> 
> How could you go wrong at $900? Yeah it’s not one of Mercedes’ best but 
> still. A friend in med school had one and he complained about the poor 
> interior build quality.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> wrote:
>> 
>> That’s too much money for that car, even if it was in decent shape.  The 
>> resale on the early SLKs is horrible, almost as bad as the W220s.
>> 
>> I passed on a 2001 with under 100k, one owner, dealer maintained here in 
>> Tampa last year for $2800.
>> 
>> Oh, yeah - these had serious issues with roof section seals, too.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:12 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
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>>> https://www.copart.com/lot/46155787
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a $900 SLK?

How could you go wrong at $900? Yeah it’s not one of Mercedes’ best but still. 
A friend in med school had one and he complained about the poor interior build 
quality.

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> 
> That’s too much money for that car, even if it was in decent shape.  The 
> resale on the early SLKs is horrible, almost as bad as the W220s.
> 
> I passed on a 2001 with under 100k, one owner, dealer maintained here in 
> Tampa last year for $2800.
> 
> Oh, yeah - these had serious issues with roof section seals, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Who wants a $900 SLK?

That’s too much money for that car, even if it was in decent shape.  The resale 
on the early SLKs is horrible, almost as bad as the W220s.

I passed on a 2001 with under 100k, one owner, dealer maintained here in Tampa 
last year for $2800.

Oh, yeah - these had serious issues with roof section seals, too.

-D

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: 1995.5 E320 convertible

Having dealt with damage in that part of a W124, I can tell you that it’s not 
directly accessible, even with removing the latch and all the related hardware 
in the area.  This is a perfect job for a paintless dent guy, after Kaleb has 
tried the heat gun/computer duster thing.

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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 7:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
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> Just push it back out with e BFH - - - go for it!
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> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
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>> Here is the photo
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/16/2018 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is a photo of the damage.  It does not look that bad to me. He says
>>> the trunk will no close.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> image1.jpeg
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[MBZ] Who wants a $900 SLK?

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Re: [MBZ] e300 cruise control

Check ALL the connectors in the system . . .

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> On my 95 E300 early in the summer the cruise control quit working.  I
> swapped in a rebuilt Programa unit I had bought for another 95 that I
> pulled off the road due to rust.  This unit was probably a couple of years
> old, was not used more than a year.  So anyway, cruise worked fine then I
> started noticing while driving I could feel it dropping out then kick back
> in right away.  Just felt like a little surge.  Over the course of a few
> days it got worse.  It then got to the point where it would drop out
> completely and then sudden kick back in on its own a minute or 2 later.
> This progressed to dropping out, then kicking back in 10 minutes later,
> then it just quick working all together.  I figured it amp was bad again so
> I rebuilt the original amp with new caps and resoldered it.  I installed it
> this past weekend and tested the car and it worked.  Previously with this
> original unit it would not kick in at all.  Today I drove the car and took
> it for a 2 hour drive and the cruise worked great.  On the way back I
> started feeling the same surging/dropping out it was doing before.  At one
> point it dropped out for about 5 minutes then kicked back in.  After that
> it worked fine again but sometimes could feel it dropping out for a split
> second then kick back in. Other times it would go a long time and never do
> it.  So basically its starting to do the same thing the rebuilt Programa
> unit was doing.  I am starting to wonder if there is another issue. Could
> it be something with the actuator or the speed sensor in the speedo?  Maybe
> its loosing power to the amp, maybe a flaky fuse. I need to check that.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: 1995.5 E320 convertible

If you’re talking to the seller,  it’s extreme damage, in a horrible place to 
repair, the car will never be right again, etc., etc…..

If you ask me I would drive it as-is and hook up with on of your dealer buddy’s 
paintless dent removal guys and see what they can do with it.

-D

 
> On Jan 16, 2018, at 6:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Here is the photo
> 
> 
> On 1/16/2018 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Here is a photo of the damage.  It does not look that bad to me. He says the 
>> trunk will no close.
>> 
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[MBZ] e300 cruise control

On my 95 E300 early in the summer the cruise control quit working.  I 
swapped in a rebuilt Programa unit I had bought for another 95 that I 
pulled off the road due to rust.  This unit was probably a couple of 
years old, was not used more than a year.  So anyway, cruise worked fine 
then I started noticing while driving I could feel it dropping out then 
kick back in right away.  Just felt like a little surge.  Over the 
course of a few days it got worse.  It then got to the point where it 
would drop out completely and then sudden kick back in on its own a 
minute or 2 later.  This progressed to dropping out, then kicking back 
in 10 minutes later, then it just quick working all together.  I figured 
it amp was bad again so I rebuilt the original amp with new caps and 
resoldered it.  I installed it this past weekend and tested the car and 
it worked.  Previously with this original unit it would not kick in at 
all.  Today I drove the car and took it for a 2 hour drive and the 
cruise worked great.  On the way back I started feeling the same 
surging/dropping out it was doing before.  At one point it dropped out 
for about 5 minutes then kicked back in.  After that it worked fine 
again but sometimes could feel it dropping out for a split second then 
kick back in. Other times it would go a long time and never do it.  So 
basically its starting to do the same thing the rebuilt Programa unit 
was doing.  I am starting to wonder if there is another issue. Could it 
be something with the actuator or the speed sensor in the speedo?  Maybe 
its loosing power to the amp, maybe a flaky fuse. I need to check that.



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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: 1995.5 E320 convertible

Just push it back out with e BFH - - - go for it!

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Here is the photo
>
>
>
> On 1/16/2018 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Here is a photo of the damage.  It does not look that bad to me. He says
>> the trunk will no close.
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?

It might be a great candidate for the Euro 500 engine!

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 5:32 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 16/01/2018 5:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Assuming it is in really nice shape but needs an engine is 2k too much
>> for one of these?  The last SL I had was a 77 or 78 that would somewhat run
>> but had a fuel issue, and interior needed recovered, need a soft top, and
>> probably needed paint.  I paid 600 for it, brought it home, I got it
>> running for a minute then it sat around.  I decided I was never going to
>> mess with it and sold it for 1k.
>>
>>
> If it needs an engine, you can likely buy it for less than what they are
> asking. Not all that many people want to mess with changing engines,
> especially in an old Mercedes.
> If you want to keep it and drive it, then go have a look. If you want to
> fix and flip it, forget it. You will not be well paid for your time in
> messing with it.
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[MBZ] Abbey Road driver

John Lennon's Pagoda is in Hemmings for $295k. 1965 230sl  custom order rhd.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: 1995.5 E320 convertible


Here is the photo


On 1/16/2018 5:36 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Here is a photo of the damage.  It does not look that bad to me. He 
says the trunk will no close.






image1.jpeg




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[MBZ] Fwd: Re: 1995.5 E320 convertible

Here is a photo of the damage.  It does not look that bad to me. He says 
the trunk will no close.






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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?


On 16/01/2018 5:30 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
Assuming it is in really nice shape but needs an engine is 2k too much 
for one of these?  The last SL I had was a 77 or 78 that would 
somewhat run but had a fuel issue, and interior needed recovered, need 
a soft top, and probably needed paint.  I paid 600 for it, brought it 
home, I got it running for a minute then it sat around.  I decided I 
was never going to mess with it and sold it for 1k.




If it needs an engine, you can likely buy it for less than what they are 
asking. Not all that many people want to mess with changing engines, 
especially in an old Mercedes.
If you want to keep it and drive it, then go have a look. If you want to 
fix and flip it, forget it. You will not be well paid for your time in 
messing with it.


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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?

Assuming it is in really nice shape but needs an engine is 2k too much 
for one of these?  The last SL I had was a 77 or 78 that would somewhat 
run but had a fuel issue, and interior needed recovered, need a soft 
top, and probably needed paint.  I paid 600 for it, brought it home, I 
got it running for a minute then it sat around.  I decided I was never 
going to mess with it and sold it for 1k.



On 1/16/2018 5:26 PM, Dwight Giles wrote:

A million dollars? Diesel sl has  to be rare.
Seriously My MB Indy said 80 &  81,380sl's have single chain. 
Those,are problematic? If chain has been updated 2k sounds right?


Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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> wrote:


1981 Mercedes 380 sl

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-380-sl/6462176336.html



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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?

A million dollars? Diesel sl has  to be rare.
Seriously My MB Indy said 80 &  81,380sl's have single chain. Those,are
problematic? If chain has been updated 2k sounds right?

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

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Re: [MBZ] How much is this worth?

I think it all depends one what "we were told it needed a timing belt"
means - the chain broke and the valves/heads/pistons are trashed, or it
should be replaced just because it's the original single row chain . . . .

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[MBZ] How much is this worth?

1981 Mercedes 380 sl

https://tulsa.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-380-sl/6462176336.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

I think there is low odor contact cement these days, but if not, or if 
you get the old type, then make sure you have some ventilation.

That stuff could kill you.

RB


On 16/01/2018 3:43 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

OK thanks for all the input guys, keep 'em coming if anything else comes to
mind.

Rick - question on the meaning of "both sides".  Do you mean tape on the
top (visible side) and on the back of the formica, or something else?  Tape
down, draw the line over the tape, and make cut through the tape, right?

I'm pretty sure that all the pieces I'm considering will either be on a
cabinet side (end of the kitchen island) or inside (under the kitchen sink)
so I won't have the luxury of finishing the edge with a router.  Flip side
of that coin is that the edges will be either caulked or covered with trim.

-
Max
Charleston SC

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Max asks:


‎My main question right now is cutting >the stuff, do I need a special

saw /

saw blade or technique?

Use a fine crosscut blade (like for veneer plywood), and apply tape to
both sides of the area to be cut.

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Re: [MBZ] Turbo hose


which means they were probably reversed.  Both brown lines look the same.


clay monroe via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 4:21 PM
The lines were hooked up prior to transmission work. All vac lines 
were hooked back up following official diagram by the tech. Car came 
back to me with starting issue that was not there before. I used 
another diagram from interweb (BW) to trace lines. Used the data 
provided here to attempt fix and solutions. I plucked brown tubes and 
checked them for goodness, then installed them according to the 
diagram. Then I pulled the EGR hose.




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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

there used to be (a lot of) special laminate trimmer routers sold.  With 
even a double wide having rock installed, there is not much market for 
laminate trimmers any more.  But that is the right tool for the job.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 4:20 PM
Well now I have a great excuse - er, PROJECT for which to buy a router! HF
trip tomorrow...

-
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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- German Prisoners of War in South Carolina

There were POW camps on Lake of the Woods south of Kenora during the war 
too. I am told that they even gave the prisoners guns and let them go 
hunting. No worries I guess as these guys had it made in the shade. No 
way they wanted to escape and go back to the war. They spent the rest of 
the war being treated pretty well.
There was, until only a few years ago, one of the former prisoners who 
owned a cottage in the area and came back every summer from Germany.


RB


On 16/01/2018 4:41 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

  Same is true for Houlton, Maine. Even today its pretty remote, this is where 
RT95 starts (or stops I suppose) as it turns into Canada. The info I found says 
they were housed in Houlton, I'm curious how they got to Caribou, its an hour 
drive now...There was an Air Force (then Army Air Corps) base in Presque Isle, 
maybe they had some stationed there? I dunno...My grandmother wasn't actually 
around during the time of the story, my dad lived with his maternal grandmother 
and uncle (great grandfather died in '33) until my grandfather came back from 
the war in '45 or '46.

-Curt

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 wrote:
The Army didn’t consider the POWs to be dangerous, nor were they worried about 
them escaping.  Camp Atterbury was, and still is, in a very, very rural area.  
You could easily get lost in that place and never be found.

-D



On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Family lore states that there were POWs on the farm. My dad was born in '43 and 
apparently one of the POWs asked where his father was to which he replied "Over in 
Germany killin Germans!"

Grandmother talks of bringing lunch out and accidentally driving away with the 
guard's gun in the car.

-Curt



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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- German Prisoners of War in South Carolina

2018-01-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

 Same is true for Houlton, Maine. Even today its pretty remote, this is where 
RT95 starts (or stops I suppose) as it turns into Canada. The info I found says 
they were housed in Houlton, I'm curious how they got to Caribou, its an hour 
drive now...There was an Air Force (then Army Air Corps) base in Presque Isle, 
maybe they had some stationed there? I dunno...My grandmother wasn't actually 
around during the time of the story, my dad lived with his maternal grandmother 
and uncle (great grandfather died in '33) until my grandfather came back from 
the war in '45 or '46.

-Curt

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 wrote: 
The Army didn’t consider the POWs to be dangerous, nor were they worried about 
them escaping.  Camp Atterbury was, and still is, in a very, very rural area.  
You could easily get lost in that place and never be found.

-D

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Family lore states that there were POWs on the farm. My dad was born in '43 
> and apparently one of the POWs asked where his father was to which he replied 
> "Over in Germany killin Germans!"
> 
> Grandmother talks of bringing lunch out and accidentally driving away with 
> the guard's gun in the car.
> 
> -Curt
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Curt needs a new snowmobile hauler


Well, that explains it. I was looking all over the bike.

RB

On 16/01/2018 4:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Look right at the bottom of the white “V” at the top of the bumper.

-D


On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes  
wrote:

Ok, I give up. Where is the siren?

RB

On 16/01/2018 3:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I want the little one that’s on the bed.

Did anyone notice the siren?

-D



On Jan 16, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
wrote:

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Curt needs a new snowmobile hauler

Look right at the bottom of the white “V” at the top of the bumper.

-D

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:26 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
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> 
> Ok, I give up. Where is the siren?
> 
> RB
> 
> On 16/01/2018 3:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> I want the little one that’s on the bed.
>> 
>> Did anyone notice the siren?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 16, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- German Prisoners of War in South Carolina

I worked for a lot of the local farmers when I was growing up, many of whom 
were second and third generation German immigrants.  They had nothing but good 
things to say about the POWs, as I suspect they knew the POWs weren’t 
goose-stepping had core Nazis, just guys that were more or less conscripted by 
the political and social pressures of the times.

A number of the farmers would tell stories about these guys, like when they 
first came into the area with the Army.  None of them knew that the locals were 
former fellow Germans, so when they got out on the farm or in the greenhouses, 
the farmers and their families would start talking in German around them and 
they would freak out (in a good way.)

Once they discovered they were surrounded by Germans they loosened up and 
assimilated pretty quickly.  I was told they were hard workers and got along 
well with everyone they came into contact with.

Father in law was freaky about the whole thing. He was a hard core “man’s man”, 
all tough and John Wayne like.  Apparently he thought he was a pussy for 
hanging around home and guarding POWs Stateside as opposed to being on the 
front lines and killing Nazis.  The few times he did talk to me about it I 
discovered that he wasn’t even issued a rifle or sidearm for his assignment.  
The Army didn’t consider the POWs to be dangerous, nor were they worried about 
them escaping.  Camp Atterbury was, and still is, in a very, very rural area.  
You could easily get lost in that place and never be found.

-D

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 5:11 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Family lore states that there were POWs on the farm. My dad was born in '43 
> and apparently one of the POWs asked where his father was to which he replied 
> "Over in Germany killin Germans!"
> 
> Grandmother talks of bringing lunch out and accidentally driving away with 
> the guard's gun in the car.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Curt needs a new snowmobile hauler


Ok, I give up. Where is the siren?

RB

On 16/01/2018 3:54 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I want the little one that’s on the bed.

Did anyone notice the siren?

-D



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Curt needs a new snowmobile hauler


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Re: [MBZ] Turbo hose

2018-01-16 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes

The lines were hooked up prior to transmission work.  All vac lines were hooked 
back up following official diagram by the tech.  Car came back to me with 
starting issue that was not there before.  I used another diagram from interweb 
(BW) to trace lines.  Used the data provided here to attempt fix and solutions. 
 I plucked brown tubes and checked them for goodness, then installed them 
according to the diagram.  Then I pulled the EGR hose.



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> On Jan 16, 2018, at 4:53 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Explain please. If they were unhooked all the time then you would not be able 
> to shut the engine off with the key. How, where, when were they unhooked and 
> what were the results of that before any other changes.
> 
> MG
> 
> clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>> Brown lines were unhooked and messed with
>> 
>>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 6:10 AM, MG via Mercedes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> IF it failed in the open position wouldn't it be open all the time even 
>>> without the vac hooked up? The only thing I can see the vac doing is 
>>> opening it up after the first start as the vac is building up. Then it gets 
>>> held open all the time, till the vac all goes away, which would give power 
>>> problems when driving also. It also shows that all the vac line routing on 
>>> the engine is screwed up cause the EGR isn't supposed to get vac except at 
>>> specific times controlled by the valves on top of the valve cover. At least 
>>> on the 617.
>>> 
>>> What I want to know is did Clay change the brown lines around?
>>> 
>>> I can't really see enough exhaust getting through that small hole in the 
>>> EGR to cause hard starting but then the proof seems to be there. Also gives 
>>> another reason to block the EGR.
>>> 
>>> MG

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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

Well now I have a great excuse - er, PROJECT for which to buy a router!  HF
trip tomorrow...

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 5:06 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Put blue tape on both sides of the cut line to make the cut cleaner.  If
> it is an "inside" cut I would clamp a straightedge to the laminate on a
> flat surface (sheet of plywood or something fairly stiff on some sawhorses
> for a "bench" top so you can clamp all around it) and run a router with a
> straight bit along the guide to get an exact clean cut.  Just offset your
> straightedge guide from cut line by whatever distance from the edge of the
> router base to the bit  and clamp it all with the cut line just hanging
> over the edge of your "bench" so it is mostly supported. A router cut is
> very clean and will be dead straight (or as straight as your guide).  I
> find a saw does tear the cut line a bit, even a fine tooth blade, so I have
> always used a router for the cuts.
>
> --FT
>
>
>
> On 1/16/18 4:43 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> OK thanks for all the input guys, keep 'em coming if anything else comes
>> to
>> mind.
>>
>> Rick - question on the meaning of "both sides".  Do you mean tape on the
>> top (visible side) and on the back of the formica, or something else?
>> Tape
>> down, draw the line over the tape, and make cut through the tape, right?
>>
>> I'm pretty sure that all the pieces I'm considering will either be on a
>> cabinet side (end of the kitchen island) or inside (under the kitchen
>> sink)
>> so I won't have the luxury of finishing the edge with a router.  Flip side
>> of that coin is that the edges will be either caulked or covered with
>> trim.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> Max asks:
>>>
>>> ‎My main question right now is cutting >the stuff, do I need a special

>>> saw /
>>>
 saw blade or technique?

>>> Use a fine crosscut blade (like for veneer plywood), and apply tape to
>>> both sides of the area to be cut.
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- German Prisoners of War in South Carolina

2018-01-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Family lore states that there were POWs on the farm. My dad was born in '43 and 
apparently one of the POWs asked where his father was to which he replied "Over 
in Germany killin Germans!"
Grandmother talks of bringing lunch out and accidentally driving away with the 
guard's gun in the car.

-Curt
 

On Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 3:17:35 PM EST, Dan--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 My father in law was a guard at Camp Atterbury’s POW camp during WWII:

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/history/retroindy/2017/03/01/italian-pow-camp-experience-added-indiana-historical-society-exhibit-camp-atterbury/98348516/

He was always embarrassed about it, as if serving at home was less than serving 
overseas in a war zone, so he rarely spoke about it.

The POWs went on work details for the local farming communities, and were 
treated well. I didn’t read the article, but I do know from other accounts that 
they were often allowed into the homes of local residents for social occasions 
and were well received.  A local farmer I knew said some of them were really 
upset when the war ended and they were being repatriated - they wanted to stay!

-D

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No mention of camps in NC but maybe the guys you knew were from here?
> 
> --FT
> 
> http://www.oldonesdream.com/my-blog/2013/05/german-prisoners-of-war-in-south-carolina.html
> 
> 
>  05/16/2013
> 
> 
>    German Prisoners of War in South Carolina
> 
> Thomas and I were parked on the shoulder of a county road watching a group of 
> cheerful and energetic young men working in a field - I think they were 
> gathering and stacking loose hay. There was a large tree in the middle of the 
> field and when they took a break some were throwing boards up into the tree 
> knocking down fruit or nuts, probably pecans. It was 1944 or 1945 and the 
> young men were German prisoners of war.
> 
> The story of German prisoners of war in the United States 
>  
> and in South Carolina is fairly well documented on the internet. When 
> American forces landed in North Africa in November 1942 the German Afrika 
> Korps found itself in a vise between the Americans on the West and the 
> British attacking from the East out of Egypt. The Afrika Corps did not 
> receive adequate support from Berlin and surrendered in May 1943. The Allies 
> found themselves with 275,000 German and Italian prisoners. Feeding and 
> housing these prisoners in Africa was a rather large logistics burden at the 
> end of an already overloaded long supply line. It was decided to transport 
> the prisoners back to the U. S. in Liberty Ships that would have been 
> otherwise returning empty. These ships were at great risk of being sunk by 
> German submarines and perhaps the general knowledge that they carried German 
> prisoners gave them safe passage. The value of the work performed by these 
> men on the farms was invaluable because of the obvious shortage of male 
> laborers during the war. Those farm laborers who were not in the armed forces 
> could make much higher wages working in the industrial war effort at the 
> "Navy Yard" in Charleston and elsewhere. The stories of how well the 
> prisoners were treated in the camps and whether they were happy to be 
> prisoners in America rather then in Russia are various and subject to 
> interpretation, and include an account of prisoners at a camp in Aiken 
> "executing" one of their own in apparent punishment for fraternization. The 
> No mention of camps in NC but maybe the guys you knew were from here?
> 
> --FT
> 
> http://www.oldonesdream.com/my-blog/2013/05/german-prisoners-of-war-in-south-carolina.html
> 
> 
>  05/16/2013
> 
> 
>    German Prisoners of War in South Carolina
> 
> Thomas and I were parked on the shoulder of a county road watching a group of 
> cheerful and energetic young men working in a field - I think they were 
> gathering and stacking loose hay. There was a large tree in the middle of the 
> field and when they took a break some were throwing boards up into the tree 
> knocking down fruit or nuts, probably pecans. It was 1944 or 1945 and the 
> young men were German prisoners of war.
> 
> The story of German prisoners of war in the United States 
>  
> and in South Carolina is fairly well documented on the internet. When 
> American forces landed in North Africa in November 1942 the German Afrika 
> Korps found itself in a vise between the Americans on the West and the 
> British attacking from the East out of Egypt. The Afrika Corps did not 
> receive adequate support from Berlin and surrendered in May 1943. The Allies 
> found themselves with 275,000 German and Italian prisoners. Feeding and 
> housing these prisoners in Africa was a rather large logistics burden at the 
> end

Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

Put blue tape on both sides of the cut line to make the cut cleaner.  If 
it is an "inside" cut I would clamp a straightedge to the laminate on a 
flat surface (sheet of plywood or something fairly stiff on some 
sawhorses for a "bench" top so you can clamp all around it) and run a 
router with a straight bit along the guide to get an exact clean cut.  
Just offset your straightedge guide from cut line by whatever distance 
from the edge of the router base to the bit  and clamp it all with the 
cut line just hanging over the edge of your "bench" so it is mostly 
supported. A router cut is very clean and will be dead straight (or as 
straight as your guide).  I find a saw does tear the cut line a bit, 
even a fine tooth blade, so I have always used a router for the cuts.


--FT


On 1/16/18 4:43 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

OK thanks for all the input guys, keep 'em coming if anything else comes to
mind.

Rick - question on the meaning of "both sides".  Do you mean tape on the
top (visible side) and on the back of the formica, or something else?  Tape
down, draw the line over the tape, and make cut through the tape, right?

I'm pretty sure that all the pieces I'm considering will either be on a
cabinet side (end of the kitchen island) or inside (under the kitchen sink)
so I won't have the luxury of finishing the edge with a router.  Flip side
of that coin is that the edges will be either caulked or covered with trim.

-
Max
Charleston SC

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Max asks:


‎My main question right now is cutting >the stuff, do I need a special

saw /

saw blade or technique?

Use a fine crosscut blade (like for veneer plywood), and apply tape to
both sides of the area to be cut.

Rick
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[MBZ] OT FB is becoming as crack-infused as CL -- "And a belt"


But for $500 I guess one could not complain:

1998 Dodge Caravan SE
$500
Moncks Corner, SC

144551 Is the milege
Its Runs And drives Just has a knocking sound. Comes with a radio. And a 
belt. Just tryna get a small vehicle. Message me for serious buyers only 
! Willing to trade



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Curt needs a new snowmobile hauler

I want the little one that’s on the bed.

Did anyone notice the siren?

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

OK thanks for all the input guys, keep 'em coming if anything else comes to
mind.

Rick - question on the meaning of "both sides".  Do you mean tape on the
top (visible side) and on the back of the formica, or something else?  Tape
down, draw the line over the tape, and make cut through the tape, right?

I'm pretty sure that all the pieces I'm considering will either be on a
cabinet side (end of the kitchen island) or inside (under the kitchen sink)
so I won't have the luxury of finishing the edge with a router.  Flip side
of that coin is that the edges will be either caulked or covered with trim.

-
Max
Charleston SC

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 3:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Max asks:
>
> >‎My main question right now is cutting >the stuff, do I need a special
> saw /
> >saw blade or technique?
>
> Use a fine crosscut blade (like for veneer plywood), and apply tape to
> both sides of the area to be cut.
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica


What they said:  I'd add this:

Since the substrate is glued up sawdust, I'd suggest putting an 
underlayment of 1/4" or 5mm plywood underneath to smooth out the 
sawdustboard before applying new formica, or you can pull up the 
countertop and replace with 1- 2 layers of 3/4" plywood alternately.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 3:29 PM
Max -- I've done a lot.  It's pretty easy but it makes a bit of a mess 
in the cutting/trimming.  Once you do it you'll never look at your 
workbenches the same way!


Cut a piece about the size of what you need (strips to do the edges 
first) using a fine saw as Rick says to cut your "blanks." Use contact 
cement on the base and the back of your laminate, let it dry, put some 
little spacer sticks on the base to keep the stuff from sticking, get 
it sorta lined up where you want it (you'll have the excess from  your 
"about the size") then start pulling up the spacers as you go and 
press the laminate down as you pull up the spacers.  You don't want 
"bubbles" in it so you have to press it down as you go, evenly.


Then use a router with a straight flush-cutting bit/bearing to trim 
the excess on the edges flush with the edge of the base material.  
Then do your top same way.  You'll probably want a 45deg flush/bearing 
trim bit for the front edges as the straight cuts like on the edges 
(under the top piece) can be really sharp. You can also use a fine 
file or a sanding block to just knock off that sharp edge a bit if you 
use the straight trim bit.  A little trim router ($20 at HF with a 
coupon is your friend), bits are probably as much as the router as you 
want those to be nice and sharp and good quality -- Lowes or HD for 
those.


You'll want to really press hard on that stuff after you get it laid 
down to bond the contact cement, I used to have a roller for it but 
you can also use a block of wood and a hammer/mallet, or a rubber 
mallet that won't ding the laminate.  You just want some good pressure 
on it.


If you want to cut a strip blank shorter you can score it with a razor 
knife and bend it to break it fairly cleanly (you'll trim it off anyway).


I think Lowes/HD sell the stuff in some basic colors, if not there are 
some supply houses around that can get you most any color you want.


Bob's your uncle unless he identifies as Bobbi in which case he's your 
aunt.


--FT



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[MBZ] OT: Curt needs a new snowmobile hauler

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Re: [MBZ] I keep looking at it


We have Andrew's offer!

--FT


On 1/16/18 4:14 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
Orient red is a GREAT color.  Offer $500 and then agree on $750, spend 
a grand fixing it up, and sell on BAT for at least $4k.



On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 8:45 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> wrote:


Stick. Gopherit. $800 cash mowney and have fun.

--FT


On 1/14/18 9:48 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:


https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1982-mercedes-240/6442234386.html



Somebody other than me needs this.  Bound to be one person on
the list who could make it all pretty again.




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1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

Max -- I've done a lot.  It's pretty easy but it makes a bit of a mess 
in the cutting/trimming.  Once you do it you'll never look at your 
workbenches the same way!


Cut a piece about the size of what you need (strips to do the edges 
first) using a fine saw as Rick says to cut your "blanks." Use contact 
cement on the base and the back of your laminate, let it dry, put some 
little spacer sticks on the base to keep the stuff from sticking, get it 
sorta lined up where you want it (you'll have the excess from  your 
"about the size") then start pulling up the spacers as you go and press 
the laminate down as you pull up the spacers.  You don't want "bubbles" 
in it so you have to press it down as you go, evenly.


Then use a router with a straight flush-cutting bit/bearing to trim the 
excess on the edges flush with the edge of the base material.  Then do 
your top same way.  You'll probably want a 45deg flush/bearing trim bit 
for the front edges as the straight cuts like on the edges (under the 
top piece) can be really sharp. You can also use a fine file or a 
sanding block to just knock off that sharp edge a bit if you use the 
straight trim bit.  A little trim router ($20 at HF with a coupon is 
your friend), bits are probably as much as the router as you want those 
to be nice and sharp and good quality -- Lowes or HD for those.


You'll want to really press hard on that stuff after you get it laid 
down to bond the contact cement, I used to have a roller for it but you 
can also use a block of wood and a hammer/mallet, or a rubber mallet 
that won't ding the laminate.  You just want some good pressure on it.


If you want to cut a strip blank shorter you can score it with a razor 
knife and bend it to break it fairly cleanly (you'll trim it off anyway).


I think Lowes/HD sell the stuff in some basic colors, if not there are 
some supply houses around that can get you most any color you want.


Bob's your uncle unless he identifies as Bobbi in which case he's your aunt.

--FT


On 1/16/18 3:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

Max asks:


‎My main question right now is cutting >the stuff, do I need a special saw /
saw blade or technique?

Use a fine crosscut blade (like for veneer plywood), and apply tape to both 
sides of the area to be cut.

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

2018-01-16 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Best method I've found is to glue down the formica with an ample overhang
and use a router with a "formica bit" to trim to exact fit. The bit has a
bearing attached to the tip which allows the bit to ride along the edge of
the material and cut flush.

Before you cut the top, glue on the edge pieces. The bit will then cut the
top piece right at the junction of the two pieces and leave a cabinet grade
finish.

To get nice straight cuts for the edge pieces, clamp a metal straight edge
to the formica piece, on top of a piece of plywood [straight and flat].
Then use a razor knife to score the formica along the straight edge [make
multiple passes, light pressure to start, keep the knife edge in contact
with the straight edge]. Slide the formica to the edge of the plywood,
reclamp the metal straight edge / formica/ plywood sandwich, and "snap" the
piece off at the score line...

Dress up the snap cut with a flat file, using a "draw cut" [draw, don't
push the file across the fresh edge to clean up the score line.

Formica is RAZOR SHARP... you can and will cut yourself badly along the
edges.. BE CAREFUL.

Good luck... coat the bench top and the formica with glue... let dry
lay some dowel rod across the bench, lay formica on dowels. adjust
position carefully then remove ONE dowel rod at end and make contact...
it will stick instantly, no second chances then remove the next dowel,
make more contact... repeat, repeat... Then, roll the top of Formica with a
rolling pin to take out all air and ensure "intimate contact" at the glue
joint surface It will never come off ever after that.

[follow instructions of the formica glue can]... ;))

Keep acetone handy to clean the glue off your hands..

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 1:53 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Max asks:
>
> >‎My main question right now is cutting >the stuff, do I need a special
> saw /
> >saw blade or technique?
>
> Use a fine crosscut blade (like for veneer plywood), and apply tape to
> both sides of the area to be cut.
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 123 Block heater available

Couldn't say for sure.

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> Ubatuba?
>
> --FT
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I keep looking at it

Orient red is a GREAT color.  Offer $500 and then agree on $750, spend a
grand fixing it up, and sell on BAT for at least $4k.


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> Stick.  Gopherit. $800 cash mowney and have fun.
>
> --FT
>
>
> On 1/14/18 9:48 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1982-mercedes-240/
>> 6442234386.html
>>
>> Somebody other than me needs this.  Bound to be one person on the list
>> who could make it all pretty again.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
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Re: [MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

2018-01-16 Thread Rick Knoble via Mercedes

Max asks:

>‎My main question right now is cutting >the stuff, do I need a special saw /
>saw blade or technique?

Use a fine crosscut blade (like for veneer plywood), and apply tape to both 
sides of the area to be cut.

Rick
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[MBZ] OT cutting and installing Formica

I've got some kitchen repair jobs to complete, there are a couple spots on
our cabinets that have this white thin sticker-like material over particle
board, and it looks basically like shelf liner but probably with some
better kind of sticky backing.  Stuff is over twenty years old and starting
to come off and look ratty, and rather than install new kitchen cabinets, I
was thinking of putting some Formica on the particle board in place of this
stuff.   I've got to replace a piece of formica behind our stove top and
I'll have most of a 4' x 8' sheet left over.

Going to check out youtube for the "official" training video but thought
I'd ask here for tips and tricks and general advice.

My main question right now is cutting the stuff, do I need a special saw /
saw blade or technique?
-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- German Prisoners of War in South Carolina

2018-01-16 Thread Dan--- via Mercedes

My father in law was a guard at Camp Atterbury’s POW camp during WWII:

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/history/retroindy/2017/03/01/italian-pow-camp-experience-added-indiana-historical-society-exhibit-camp-atterbury/98348516/

He was always embarrassed about it, as if serving at home was less than serving 
overseas in a war zone, so he rarely spoke about it.

The POWs went on work details for the local farming communities, and were 
treated well. I didn’t read the article, but I do know from other accounts that 
they were often allowed into the homes of local residents for social occasions 
and were well received.  A local farmer I knew said some of them were really 
upset when the war ended and they were being repatriated - they wanted to stay!

-D

> On Jan 16, 2018, at 2:28 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No mention of camps in NC but maybe the guys you knew were from here?
> 
> --FT
> 
> http://www.oldonesdream.com/my-blog/2013/05/german-prisoners-of-war-in-south-carolina.html
> 
> 
>   05/16/2013
> 
> 
> German Prisoners of War in South Carolina
> 
> Thomas and I were parked on the shoulder of a county road watching a group of 
> cheerful and energetic young men working in a field - I think they were 
> gathering and stacking loose hay. There was a large tree in the middle of the 
> field and when they took a break some were throwing boards up into the tree 
> knocking down fruit or nuts, probably pecans. It was 1944 or 1945 and the 
> young men were German prisoners of war.
> 
> The story of German prisoners of war in the United States 
>  
> and in South Carolina is fairly well documented on the internet. When 
> American forces landed in North Africa in November 1942 the German Afrika 
> Korps found itself in a vise between the Americans on the West and the 
> British attacking from the East out of Egypt. The Afrika Corps did not 
> receive adequate support from Berlin and surrendered in May 1943. The Allies 
> found themselves with 275,000 German and Italian prisoners. Feeding and 
> housing these prisoners in Africa was a rather large logistics burden at the 
> end of an already overloaded long supply line. It was decided to transport 
> the prisoners back to the U. S. in Liberty Ships that would have been 
> otherwise returning empty. These ships were at great risk of being sunk by 
> German submarines and perhaps the general knowledge that they carried German 
> prisoners gave them safe passage. The value of the work performed by these 
> men on the farms was invaluable because of the obvious shortage of male 
> laborers during the war. Those farm laborers who were not in the armed forces 
> could make much higher wages working in the industrial war effort at the 
> "Navy Yard" in Charleston and elsewhere. The stories of how well the 
> prisoners were treated in the camps and whether they were happy to be 
> prisoners in America rather then in Russia are various and subject to 
> interpretation, and include an account of prisoners at a camp in Aiken 
> "executing" one of their own in apparent punishment for fraternization. The 
> No mention of camps in NC but maybe the guys you knew were from here?
> 
> --FT
> 
> http://www.oldonesdream.com/my-blog/2013/05/german-prisoners-of-war-in-south-carolina.html
> 
> 
>   05/16/2013
> 
> 
> German Prisoners of War in South Carolina
> 
> Thomas and I were parked on the shoulder of a county road watching a group of 
> cheerful and energetic young men working in a field - I think they were 
> gathering and stacking loose hay. There was a large tree in the middle of the 
> field and when they took a break some were throwing boards up into the tree 
> knocking down fruit or nuts, probably pecans. It was 1944 or 1945 and the 
> young men were German prisoners of war.
> 
> The story of German prisoners of war in the United States 
>  
> and in South Carolina is fairly well documented on the internet. When 
> American forces landed in North Africa in November 1942 the German Afrika 
> Korps found itself in a vise between the Americans on the West and the 
> British attacking from the East out of Egypt. The Afrika Corps did not 
> receive adequate support from Berlin and surrendered in May 1943. The Allies 
> found themselves with 275,000 German and Italian prisoners. Feeding and 
> housing these prisoners in Africa was a rather large logistics burden at the 
> end of an already overloaded long supply line. It was decided to transport 
> the prisoners back to the U. S. in Liberty Ships that would have been 
> otherwise returning empty. These ships were at great risk of being sunk by 
> German submarines and perhaps the general knowledge that they carried German 
> prisoners gave them safe passage. The value of the work performed by these 
> men on the farms was

[MBZ] OT FOR WILTON -- German Prisoners of War in South Carolina

No mention of camps in NC but maybe the guys you knew were from here?

--FT

http://www.oldonesdream.com/my-blog/2013/05/german-prisoners-of-war-in-south-carolina.html

05/16/2013

German Prisoners of War in South Carolina

Thomas and I were parked on the shoulder of a county road watching a
group of cheerful and energetic young men working in a field - I think
they were gathering and stacking loose hay. There was a large tree in
the middle of the field and when they took a break some were throwing
boards up into the tree knocking down fruit or nuts, probably pecans. It
was 1944 or 1945 and the young men were German prisoners of war.

The story of German prisoners of war in the United States
and
in South Carolina is fairly well documented on the internet. When
American forces landed in North Africa in November 1942 the German
Afrika Korps found itself in a vise between the Americans on the West
and the British attacking from the East out of Egypt. The Afrika Corps
did not receive adequate support from Berlin and surrendered in May
1943. The Allies found themselves with 275,000 German and Italian
prisoners. Feeding and housing these prisoners in Africa was a rather
large logistics burden at the end of an already overloaded long supply
line. It was decided to transport the prisoners back to the U. S. in
Liberty Ships that would have been otherwise returning empty. These
ships were at great risk of being sunk by German submarines and perhaps
the general knowledge that they carried German prisoners gave them safe
passage. The value of the work performed by these men on the farms was
invaluable because of the obvious shortage of male laborers during the
war. Those farm laborers who were not in the armed forces could make
much higher wages working in the industrial war effort at the "Navy
Yard" in Charleston and elsewhere. The stories of how well the prisoners
were treated in the camps and whether they were happy to be prisoners in
America rather then in Russia are various and subject to interpretation,
and include an account of prisoners at a camp in Aiken "executing" one
of their own in apparent punishment for fraternization. The perpetrators
were reportedly convicted and hung at Fort Leavenworth.

There are conflicting statistics as to the number of German prisoners of
war held in South Carolina but the estimates range from 8000 to 11000.
An incomplete list of camps
in
the U. S. lists only Camp Croft and Camp Jackson in S. C. Although the
camps were located in almost every state, they were concentrated in the
south because the climate was advantageous to the year round housing
requirements. A document from the South Carolina Museums
provides
the following list.

There were twenty-one camps in the state of South Carolina alone:Aiken,
Aiken County--Barnwell, Barnwell County--Bennettsville, Marlboro
County--Camden, Kershaw County--Charleston, Charleston County--Charleston
Army
Air Base, Charleston County--Charleston Port of Embarkation, Charleston
County--Columbia Army Air Base, Richland County—Coronaca Army Airfield,
Greenwood, Greenwood County—Croft, near Spartanburg, Spartanburg
County--Florence Army Air Base, Florence, Florence County, now Florence
Regional Airport-- Hampton, Hampton County, --Holly Hill, Orangeburg
County--Jackson, Columbia, Richland County--Myrtle Beach Army Air Base, Horry
County, now Myrtle Beach Air Force Base—Norway, Orangeburg County—Shaw Field,
near Oakland, Sumter County—Walterboro Army Air Base, Walterboro, Colleton
County—Whitmire, Newberry County--Witherbee, Berkeley County—York, York
County

Missing from this list is the camp at Bamberg which I first heard of
recently from someone who grew up in Bamberg and remembers that the camp
was on the east side of town south of the railroad. The Bamberg Camp is
documented in the 1994 Fritz Hamer paper

published on the University of South Carolina Scholar Commons site.

In September 1943, when 250 German POWs were brought to a temporary
camp in Bamberg County, the county agricultural extension agent
wrote: "... there was almost a steady flow of traffic by the camp.
People from miles around came to see what

Re: [MBZ] 123 Block heater available


Ubatuba?

--FT


On 1/16/18 8:57 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

$15 incl. shipping. Reply privately.


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Re: [MBZ] Grant needs this?

The issue is that the ad states "condition unknown". A bit of a gamble 
which is probably why the price has remained minimal.


RB

On 16/01/2018 10:59 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:

Have to pass on this one already have more generators than I can use or
justify.
Looks like a good unit however.

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https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=2011564

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Re: [MBZ] Grant needs this?

2018-01-16 Thread G Mann via Mercedes

Have to pass on this one already have more generators than I can use or
justify.
Looks like a good unit however.

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Project for Andrew?

If I did purchase this car, I would sub out the body repair to Dimitri to
give him some recreational welding to help him through the slow winter
months.

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> Angie's Golf is getting a new radiator today, or maybe just a radiator
> hose but I think it'll probably be the rad too. It was losing a quart every
> other week...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 16, 2018, 8:11:40 AM EST, Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  Practically new, 370 miles on the ODO.
> That's DC driving talent for ya.
> https://www.iaai.com/vehicle?itemid=26502761
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> Maybe Angie Raymond needs this?
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Project for Andrew?

2018-01-16 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes

Angie's Golf is getting a new radiator today, or maybe just a radiator hose but 
I think it'll probably be the rad too. It was losing a quart every other week...
-Curt
 

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 wrote:  
 
 Practically new, 370 miles on the ODO. 
That's DC driving talent for ya. 
https://www.iaai.com/vehicle?itemid=26502761

Maybe Angie Raymond needs this?

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[MBZ] Grant needs this?

https://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=2011564

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Re: [MBZ] Turbo hose

The official kit that used to be sold used a piece of 1/8" Stainless 
steel, and had 2 copper disks to plug the air/exhaust lined if the EGR 
was eliminated completely.  I'd vote for at least 1/16" SS, but 1/8" 
thick will be permanent.



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
January 16, 2018 at 7:12 AM
I have "read on the internet" that soda can aluminum is too thin for
blocking off the EGR and presents a risk that it will go to pieces and
allow them to be ingested by the engine. Thin steel from a soup can is a
safer choice?

-
Max
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] I keep looking at it


Stick.  Gopherit. $800 cash mowney and have fun.

--FT


On 1/14/18 9:48 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/1982-mercedes-240/6442234386.html

Somebody other than me needs this.  Bound to be one person on the list who 
could make it all pretty again.




clay

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Re: [MBZ] RIP Dan Gurney

> On January 15, 2018 at 10:44 PM "M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Not many of the old school drivers left.  Sterling Moss, Mario Andretti,
> Richard Petty...

You're right. "Stirl" is still alive. His little sister Pat died in 2008. 
His driving buddy "Inns" died in 1993.
I guess that explains why Innes Ireland's enjoyable writing disappeared from 
Road and Track magazine in the early 1990s.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Turbo hose

I have "read on the internet" that soda can aluminum is too thin for
blocking off the EGR and presents a risk that it will go to pieces and
allow them to be ingested by the engine.  Thin steel from a soup can is a
safer choice?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 7:59 AM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> if it is then that wasn't the cause of your starting or power problem, if
> you still have that. Failed open means just that it is open all the time
> even if there is no vacuum to it. Cut a piece of soda can and slip it under
> the EGR and bolt it back down to be certain.
>
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[MBZ] Diesel Project for Andrew?