Re: [MBZ] The E420 Lives!
Nice tip Philip. I had a master machine shop guy tell me some of that many years ago but he didn't explain it and I failed to grasp it well enough to use it to my benefit. You did good, now I'll use it. Thanks Harry Reusing copper seal rings generally works fine _IF_ you anneal the copper before re-installing. Since copper work hardens, and hardens if it is heated and allowed to cool slowly (opposite of iron) then the process to anneal is to get it hot and cool it quickly. I learned this trick when working on light aircraft. 1. Fire up a propane torch (gas stove, ox-acetylene, etc) 2. Hold the ring in the flame. Don't use your fingers. :) I like using a wire 'cause it doesn't act as a heat sink and the ring heats up pretty evenly. 3. Once the copper reaches glowing red, quench it in water. (Be careful in sunlight. It can be harder to see the glow and its possible to make the copper molten.) Now the copper is full-soft and will easily conform to the sealing surfaces. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] cold starting
I have a friend that hide himself with a shotgun near a fence that his huge bull had walked through several times. He got the bull in the flank just as he got to the fence. Now when the bull realizes he's close to the fence, he snorts, shakes his head and turns his back to the fence faster than you can blink. Harry - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] cold starting Craig wrote: I had a German Shepherd who like to chew on light-duty (zip cord) extension cords. I couldn't keep her away. One day I came home and she was very hesitant about going over near the area. I looked at the cord and found little holes in it. She never chewed on a cord after that. I had a German Shorthair that got up in the night to get a drink, and on the way back to the bedroom she accidentally (and painfully) went down the stairs. For the rest of her life, she hated stairs, and gave that particular stairway a wide berth (she'd detour around the kitchen table to stay 10' away from the stairs). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Static Sparks
I was a crew member on an HH-43B helicopter in the Michigan UP. We had a fire suppression unit that hung from below. The person making that hook up with the chopper hovering above had better ground the loop to the latch before touching any part of the chopper. I never saw it get anyone, but in the winter time, you could weld with the spark coming off that dud. Harry I often discharge a bolt between my hand and the final checkout lady's hand as I pull up to the exit at Sam's on my Diesel-electric mobility scooter. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The W123 of vacuum cleaners
The pipe I got was not sized to match up with regular plumbing pipe. I under bought thinking if I needed a little more, a short hardware store trip would work. NOT. I had to drive 80 miles and I stocked up, 13 years later and I have left over's. I didn't know about the clear, but that would be the way to go. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: R A Bennell b...@mts.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The W123 of vacuum cleaners I did, many years ago. I ran the pipe for the second floor up through a closet on the main floor into a closet on the 2nd floor and then put the outlet through the back wall of the closet into the hallway. Pipe is about 2 inches diameter if my memory is right. Our 2 story house has a duct chase in one spot that permits heating ducts, plumbing etc to go from the basement to the 2nd floor. I used that as the spot for one of the main floor outlets. Our house has a full basement and the vacuum unit is mounted in the basement. Has worked well for about 25 years. Put a new motor in it a year or so ago. Think the old one just needs bearings and brushes so I kept it but SWMBO was very anxious to have it fixed and insisted we swap motors ASAP. It had become intermittent. Sometimes would not start. Ours uses the white pipe. I think if I had to do it over, I would use the clear pipe. I once had to find a blockage and cut it out to fix the problem. Clear pipe would have made it easier to do that. The blockage was a piece of dowel about 2 inches long from kid's toys. Got caught on a T and would not turn the corner. Randy On 07/12/2010 6:39 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Anyone ever retro-fit a house with central vacuum? My house is two story, has crawl space easily accessible and attic as well. I've fished various wires down the walls from above - what size piping is required for central vac? -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:39 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] The W123 of vacuum cleaners I've been using central vacs for 42 years; 'even designed and installed systems in IBM, ATT and DuPont labs at Research Triangle Park, Raleigh, etc., while I was off active duty from USAF and playing boy-student '68-'71. Power unit for the system I've been using here for 22 years is one I made using an old Sears shop vac tank with a Lamb motor/fan assembly left over from one of the RTP jobs after I converted the RTP system to operate VERY well and nearly maintenance-free by shooting compressed air through a venturi. Wilton - Original Message - From: LWB250lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] The W123 of vacuum cleaners Central vacs are definitely the way to go. While the initial upfront cost is high, the convenience and efficiency of a central vac system blows (sucks?) away any portable vac. Not to mention not having to empty it out buy maybe once or twice a year... We have built a couple of homes with central vacs, and I would do it again without hesitation. Dan --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The W123 of vacuum cleaners To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, 10:06 AM Central vac beats them all, we've got a cheap one and it'll put a drunk sorority girl to shame... Get too close to one of those plastic grocery bags and *sluurrpp* its gone! I also like that we only need to empty the thing once a year, no bags either... -Curt Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2010 09:06:38 -0500 From: Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] The W123 of vacuum cleaners Message-ID:1291471598.9250.1408627...@webmail.messagingengine.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii We have an Oreck. It's a good vacuum, better than the Royal it replaced, but I don't think they really live up to the legend. Open one up to change the belt---it's all plastic and the motor doesn't look like much. Hotels use them because they are light and they vacuum every day---they never have to pick up a lot of deep dirt. For pure suction, I think our Kenmore canister has the Oreck beat by a fair margin. It's not as easy to use or nearly as light, though. Allan On Fri, 03 Dec 2010 18:00 -0800, Kevin Kralykr...@comcast.net wrote: They've been making Orecks with the same basic design for 47 years, man that's a long time! The new one has a LED light on the front, hepa outer bag and hepa filter bags as well. We'll see how it stacks up to the Dyson DC14 and the old Kirby Heritage II Legend. We have plenty of a challenge for any vacuum with two low shedding
Re: [MBZ] OT Need computer help
I followed Loren's advice and did a clean Vista install. I then installed all the updates, including ser pack 2. I'm told that Vista is not a bad system after the updates, we'll see. So far its cooking good. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 7:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Need computer help OK Guys - I have a similar problem on a used Dell Laptop- but it seems the PO passworded the BIOS. Before Win launches it asks for a PW and so far nothing has gotten me past it. I asked Dell (IIRC) for help and they wanted all kinds of history - like the PO it was bought on, when, how much, etc. Naturally I don’t have any of that. Right now it's a $25 doorstop. ;-) I'll try some of the solutions you all mentioned... LarryT 91 300D -Original Message- From: harry watkins Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 11:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT Need computer help I have an Emachine with Vista Home and I need a way to get around the password on the first page. This came with the stuff when I bought everything but the real-estate from a closed golf course. The PO and one of the counter workers have given me everything they can think of but nothing has worked. It comes up with the username displayed and has a blank for the password. Any ideas? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Need computer help
A great idea that I am in the process of doing. The computer had a Vista disk that I used. After I finish my stock trades this morning, I'll switch computers and check it out. Thanks Harry On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:33:26 -0600 Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't need anything on the computer now, I'd suggest a clean install of XP Pro if you have it. Or a clean install of anything. THat should eliminate whatever garbage the employees put on it. Yes, that's a very good idea! Get rid of all of the viruses, trojans, adware, and other nasty stuff. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Frankenheapery
You made my day Jim, I got up to 64* this morning, upset a little because of the chill and read your piece. I feel good now and can face the 80s later in the day without a pity party, even though I'll have to dig out a sweater. Thanks Harry Date night! We had a houseguest, so he stayed home to watch Daniel while Jill and I went to band practice. The weather was bad, and predicted to be so, and rehearsal (which was sadly necessary!) was cut short. We made it almost all the way home, but we ran into blizzard conditions and drifting on one road I should have been savvy enough to avoid. (I had gotten stuck there once before and there was a marginally better alternate route.) We were going OK even though visibility was terrible, paffing through a few drifts high enough to wash over the hood like waves, when we ran afoul of cars stalled at a stop sign at a bit of an uphill at the juncture to our road, and were forced to ourselves stop...and join the party. The car kept us warm, and the heater fan was working well on high, but the high snow-filled winds and low temperatures took their toll in spite of the covered radiator, and the engine temperature slowly dropped. After an hour and a half or so, punctuated with other arrivals most of whom could get away again, the county plow came by and pulled us and the others out. In the meantime our own road had become impassible, and we were so cold and disheartened (we'd both gotten out and pushed a lot, both our own car and others) that we headed the other way, with the wind, rather than wait to get snowed in again or bashed into, and took refuge for the night with nearby friends. By then it had gotten so cold and windy that the windshield was more or less permanently iced up and I had to drive with my head out the opened door. That added to the fun, and resulted in a rather snowy interior. And there were still drifts to deal with that way, too. But we got through and parked out on the street. In the morning the interior of the car was frozen solid, and I couldn't even begin to start it. I had the space heater, though, and I borrowed a long extension cord and a current bush and let 'er rip for an hour or so. That got the starter knob unthawed enough to start the car, whereupon we went home. That trip, in the light and with no wind, was uneventful. Most of the drifts had by then been plowed back some. The car actually acquitted itself pretty well, we were asking a bit too much from it. The now-ancient Hakkapeliitta 1 snow tires still worked well. Had I only gone the other way it would merely have been a bit of a hairy trip. As it was, it was an Event. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Need computer help
I have an Emachine with Vista Home and I need a way to get around the password on the first page. This came with the stuff when I bought everything but the real-estate from a closed golf course. The PO and one of the counter workers have given me everything they can think of but nothing has worked. It comes up with the username displayed and has a blank for the password. Any ideas? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Need computer help
Thanks guys, I'm going to my daughter's for Thanksgiving and I sent her the information. I asked her to burn me a cd to bring back home Friday. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT DIY water well
Max Thanks, this is the kind of information I need. I'm not sure how I'll get samples through the screens of the drill point. I know silt gets through and that may tell the tale. I also think when I hit sand, there will be a sound change from the cement mixer driving activity and quicker movement downward. After this next section of pipe gets down, I'll try to flush up some samples. Even if its still just clay now, I'll know it can be done. I'll dry and save the samples in zip bags and watch for changes. Thanks Harry When I had an irrigation well drilled, a two-man crew with portable drilling rig did the job. As the rig drove the well point down, it used water under pressure to lubricate the point, and most of that water came back up out of the whole, carrying material from the bottom of the well. When that material included ancient sea shells, they would stop drilling and test the well to see if it would produce water. The rest of the time the material was mostly clay and sand. I would say that if you can force water down the pipe and then examine what flows back out, watch for a change in material (i.e. from clay to sand or gravel or shells) and when you see a change, stop and test to see if you can produce water from the well. The crew I hired had a gasoline powered pump to apply suction to the well pipe to try to pull water out. My well went down to about 70 feet, but the 1 hp pump sucking on the top of the pipe could not produce too much volume - about enough water to run one sprinkler head. Driller pulled the pipe back up to about 40 feet, and then we got enough water to run three maybe four sprinkler heads, and called that good. Ten years ago that cost me about $500 for the drilling and about $300 for the pump and pipe and valves. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 9:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] OT DIY water well I am driving a well through my basement floor in the hopes of being able to reach good water. I have rookie questions because I'm a rookie. If any of you have knowledge or experience, tell me what to look for that will give a clue that water is close. My house is built into a red clay hill and the first 17 feet have been through clay. Thanks Harry 86 300 SDL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT DIY water well
My hope is that I'll get into sand on the way down and hit water. A friend nearby was building a pond in the side of a clay hill. Before they got to the depth he wanted, they hit wet sand and had to get the dozer out. He said that was about 18 feet. Harry, It sounds like you are driving a sand point. It won't get much water in clay. It is made to take up water in sand or gravel layers. BTW, I lived at the top of a 100' hill, but water was about 7' down. THe basement got water in every appreciable rain. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Enjoyable lunch
Perhaps a sign shop is a good choice. while waiting for my yard signs to be made I saw two workers doing a sheriff's car. One was selecting patterns on a computer screen, clicking run and a machine loaded with a roll, cut the piece. The other guy was coming and going to the car and stayed ahead of the guy inside. The car looked nice. Harry 86 300 SDL I would imagine you still need to make a tape guideline or something. Even with that, I'd probably be all over the panels! lol Maybe tint shops and other places that offer such services also offer striping at a reasonable price? Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT DIY water well
Thanks Tim, good information there. Our Geothermal installation required three wells, 220' each, about 20 ' apart. I asked the crew where they hit water and they just said we're not checking, just punching holes. 56' sounds like in the ballpark of my guess, but I'm on a hill. I'm driving 2 schedule 40 galvanized pipe with a three foot well point leading the way. Your question, Without a drill, how are you going to get to an appropriate depth below the top of the waterline? I'm hoping to wring some help out of this group for that answer. :) Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT DIY water well
Thanks Craig, that's all good info to add to my pile. It would be nice to be able to use a pitcher or stand pump, but I doubt I'll hit it that shallow. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT DIY water well
Mitch, you have to be in the top ten of internet searchers. If I am reading it right, there are manual pumps at this site that operate much deeper than I thought any manual pump could. If I hit water deeper than I would like and the water tests good, I'll be back to that site to pick something out. Thanks Harry I always liked to use these when I was a kid: http://www.dempsterllc.com/demp_pump_hand01.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT DIY water well
That sounds good to me. IIRC, a column of water weighs .434 lbs and is 1 x 1 x 12. I don't think I'll ever get close to 100' by driving. Thanks Harry The piston goes under water, some kind of flapper in the piston closes, and then you lift the piston with the water above it. I would imagine there are more than a few pounds of water being lifted with the piston when you're 200ft deep. The ones I remember from non-electric campgrounds probably put out a cup to a pint per stroke. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT DIY water well
I'll keep it in mind. So if I understand correctly, there is not a pipe that goes inside my 2 pipe to bring the water topside. I have made a 1/2 foot valve with some brass fittings, a steel ball and o-ring. It stays attached to a 1/2 hose and pumps with a churning motion. It works with a short test hose but I've yet to find a proper o-ring to keep it from leaking down. I'm at a driving standstill. I've rigged my cement mixer to handle the driving chore and it broke. I can hear it working from all around the house while doing other things, rumble, rumble, rattle, rattle then thump. I get 18 thumps per minute. I was upstairs when Carolyn said. I don't hear your thing. I went down the elevator to a smell of rubber burning and found the belt melted and stuck to the motor pulley. I just unplugged it and left it for tomorrow. I bought this sears mixer in 1974 and it's already giving trouble. Thanks Harry Keep in mind, Harry, that the pumps on the page Mitch linked will most likely NOT work with a well driven with a point. For these, you put the working cylinder of the pump underneath the water level and actuate it with a steel rod that runs up to the surface inside the down pipe. The pump cylinder itself would be in a well casing or some such to keep the hole from collapsing. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT DIY water well
I am driving a well through my basement floor in the hopes of being able to reach good water. I have rookie questions because I'm a rookie. If any of you have knowledge or experience, tell me what to look for that will give a clue that water is close. My house is built into a red clay hill and the first 17 feet have been through clay. Thanks Harry 86 300 SDL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT DIY water well
Where are you located? Any idea how far down the water table is in your area? Newton, MS. Not sure of the water table, but there are live springs coming to the surface further down the hill. I guestimate from 25 to 30 feet below my basement floor. Anyone around you have a well? There was one near a pond, 63 feet below the surface of the hill I live in. I was told it went down 30 feet. In our case in Colorado, we were told there would be water at 300' down (with 6 plastic casing), but there wasn't very much of it and it wasn't very good. We ended up with a well 523' deep (with 8 steel casing, a lot more costly) and a 5 HP submersible pump to supply 10 gallons per minute. Going down through the basement floor means you will be able to use pipe sections maybe 10' long. That will complicate drilling. This is a DIY well attempt and I'm driving it, no drilling. You do want to get down below the surface water, because that can be quite polluted. I would guess 60' at a minimum. 60 is my guess also, but I started with only 42' of pipe, here's hoping. You might talk with a well driller in your area about how deep wells typically are and how far you need to go to get good water. I did and received a candid answer, we are not going to set up $100K of equipment with a three man crew and drill a 50 well. Plan on 250' at least Lastly, what do the water people, the ones who control the water rights and well permits for your state, say about your project? No permit required but I was advised to keep a well log. My wife and I built our own metal frame home and did everything except the HVAC and finishing the concrete. The only permit required was for the septic plant. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Great Craigslist ad
little triangular windows, I have these on my 95 Toyota pickup, nice. Harry 86 300 SDL ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues
Curt, this is advice I followed from Cathey and Van Cleve. It worked for me. Thanks Harry Jim Wrote: You need a three-foot (or thereabouts) length of tubing that will slip tightly over the bleed nipples on the brake and clutch cylinders. Next you put it in place and crack both bleeders and then you pump the brakes some number of times. (I always seem to use the RF brake.) Close the bleeders and see if your clutch acts right yet. Repeat as required. This is a perfect time to bleed the brake system and put in new fluid, if you haven't done it more recently than two years ago. It's also a perfect time to hose off your driveway if, as always seems to happen to me, the hose pops off at least once during this procedure. -- Jim Steve Wrote: Since the bleed fittings are different sizes on brake and clutch slaves I have a length of clear hose, two small hose clamps and the appropriate size 1/4 socket (for the hose clamps), stashed in a zip lock. The extra time needed to mess with those tiny clamps is compensated for by not having to crawl under there and reattach the hose, or getting a brake fluid shower. Also taking off the wheel makes it easier. - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: [MBZ] 240D clutch saga continues Saturday afternoon I added some fluid to my '78 240D which I saw actually fill in some open space toward the rear of the reservoir. Looks like it might have been slightly low, I didn't add much though, maybe an ounce. Didn't notice any change right away but after 15-20 minutes of driving I could definitely detect the clutch engagement point had risen somewhat, reverse is noticeably easier to get into too. So now I've driven it ~2 hours total and when I get home I'll need to check again but we might have a winner. I followed all the clutch line outside of the cabin and couldn't find any signs of leakage, Dwight reports that the clutch MC has been replaced, I'm wondering if the slave is leaking inside the bellhousing? Any way to easily check other than pulling it? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables?
The bike places sell a little rubber device that clamps on the cable at one end. There is then a small hole to insert an aerosol can tube of the lube of your choice. About $14 for mine and it worked well for me. I sprayed in Kroil. Thanks Harry 86 300 SDL ( going on the block shortly) - Original Message - From: Euan goneb...@paradise.net.nz To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 7:17 PM Subject: [MBZ] How do you lubricate accelerator cables? Gentlemen The answer to this question is probably 'get new cables'. But here goes anyway. I want to lubricate the two accelerator cables in my 300TD engine bay. Dry cables (now 400+ K miles old) may be contributing to occasional failures of my accelerator to return to idle. I've replaced associated struts and have lubricated all the mini ball-joints in the linkages. I'm loathe to use WD40 which is the most likely to run freely between inner and outer. But how do you get light lubricating oil to run down the length of the cable? Cheers Euan Christchurch NZ 1985 W123 300TD 5-spd manual 221K miles ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] LF RR electric windows in '85 TD
Looking forwad to answers to this problem myself, the same thing is going on with my 86 SDL. Harry 86 300 SDL - Original Message - From: glenn brown g_010...@hotmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 5:15 PM Subject: [MBZ] LF RR electric windows in '85 TD While taking the door upholstery apart on my newly acquired '85 300TD in order to use rust converter and undercoating/rustproofing on the interior of the doors, I started with the LF door the other day and the electric windows for this door and the RR door stopped working after reassembly. I figured it may be the ice cube size window relay up behind the instrument cluster, as I had this problem with my '84 300D some years ago and unplugging and replugging this relay resolved the problem. But since there doesn't seem enough room to get my paws in behind the instrument cluster to disconnect the speedometer, oil pressure line, and electrical connector in order that I may remove the instrument cluster and deal with the window relay. I pulled the LF door upholstery back off today in order to check the electric window ground and voltage. Ground is good and, when I was measuring the voltage across the terminal block on the door the electric window motor was making some faint noises as if it was trying to operate. I thought that to be odd, disconnected my voltmeter and operated the LF electric window switch and the bloody window operated. I checked the RR window and it operated as well. I reassembled the LF door upholstery and you guessed it, the LF and RR windows are inoperative again. Clue(s)? TIA. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Odyssey for Max
My brother (Don) has one and loves it. His BIL had one for 2 or 3 years prior to Don's purchase and the four of them traveled extensively with it during that period. They spend 30 days a year seeing America and the Odyssey is the best they have used for those trips. Let me know if you want to contact Don, he has more than normal knowledge about that vehicle. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Secret message for OK Don WAS: OT Caravan
When I wash my car clothes and not too soiled shop rags, I take it all to a Laundromat. Keeps me alive. Harry 86 300 SDL I would have remembered a bath like that - so I lucked out when I did it last time. I have a set of car clothes - no cleaning bill other than they get washed all by themselves. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] It never ends... W123 CV boot failed
Allan, I know the split boots get bad mouthed by some, but I have used one on a VW and one on a Camry, both lased many miles and were still good when I sold the cars. I installed mine on the car with success. It would be a piece of cake with the axle off the car. If you ever see one and see how it goes together, I think you will be impressed. I assume they are still available. Harry 86 300 SDL - Original Message - From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:29 PM Subject: [MBZ] It never ends... W123 CV boot failed Fresh off the success of replacing the driveshaft carrier bearing and flex disks, I now have the passenger side inner CV joint slinging oil around under the car. Has anyone tried the boot and tool described here? http://www.dieselgiant.com/mercedesaxleshaftbootreplace.htm Does anyone actually HAVE the tool and would be willing to loan/rent it to me? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A
That is just amazing. Way to go Gerry. Harry 86 300 SDL - Original Message - From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auto Trans Diagnosis A Aimed a light at the hole in the housing and put a computer camera on a block under the car. Sat in the car with a laptop and kept tapping the starter until I could see the drain plug. Went back under the car with a wrench and a pan, drained the ATF, pulled everything out. Done in two trips under the car. Gerry '83 300D - Rich Thomas wrote: Does that tranny housing have the little hole at the bottom to where you get at the drain plug for the TC? I just take a longish large screwdriver and pry the TC around through the hole. Takes a few minutes but gets you there with not too hard. --R On 9/24/2010 1:21 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Well, the oil is very dirty, and has a high amount of alum. It is not the worst I have seen. That prize belongs to a 124. By the way, that car has run fine for many 10ks since. I am still trying to find the TC drain. Bump the starter and then crawl under to see if I got lucky. No happiness so far. Wish I could find and easy way to bar over the flywheel. Screwdriver on the ring gear is tedious, but you don't have to crawl out. I don't see a way to get to the ring gear on this one. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Geyser discovered enroute to ChowdahQ
Thanks Tom, I enjoyed that. The ending was great, the hero won. Hi, ChowdahQ attendees may recall that my arrival at the picnic was delayed until close to 1pm because I 'sprung an oil leak' enroute. Driving along in the 1975 W115 300D at about 65 mph on Interstate 95, I happened to glance at my oil pressure gauge (which I frequently do, of course) to see it down to between 15 and 30, (YIKES!) where it is normally pegged at 45 while at speed. Lordy. My first thought was of poor Angie Raymond when she lost the oil cooler line and toasted the engine. Not a happy thought especially since I was 50 miles from home, and still about 10-15 miles from ChowdahQ! Since the needle was steady at about 25 or so, I decided to make a run for it. I looked for the next exit (about 3 miles) and then found a gas station. Looking underneath only confirmed my fears there appeared to be a steady drip with engine off, and a steady STREAM with the engine running. Day um. It appeared to originate somewhere near the front driver's side of the engine, (oil filter assembly, dipstick, who knows) but I couldn't see the source. I doubted that it could be the oil filter, since I knew that hadn't been touched since BEFORE the PREVIOUS ChowdahQ!! :) I threw in 3 quarts from my trunk, bought another qt from the station ($4.99!!) and got directions to the nearest auto store which turned out to be Advance Auto Parts about 5 miles away. I left a little puddle for them at the gas station, and another at Advance. I bought two gallons of oil, and headed out via backroads for ChowdahQ. It was now ChowdahQ or Bust! :) I figured that since I used about 3 qts in 50 miles, I could make it to the picnic, and with two gallons in reserve, I could make it home again. No problem. :) So I arrived at ChowdahQ, had a grand time with all the guys and gals, and then headed out about 3:30pm for home where I had company arriving at 5pm and I was scheduled to do the cooking/ grilling. I envisioned myself arriving home, making a grand entrance aboard an AAA flatbed to a house full of hungry guests!!:) Damn the torpedoes, Full Steam ahead! So I took mostly back roads thru Rhode Island--- a very pretty drive, btw, although I can't say I was in the frame of mind to fully appreciate it at that point, with one eye on the oil pressure gauge the entire time! I also did about 35-40 miles on I-95. I actually arrived home at 4:50pm without stopping and without incident, before any guests arrived, making sure to park the Mercedes where it wouldn't do any damage to my freshly coated new driveway. and quite non-chalantly got right down to the business of preparing dinner. No sweat. I didn't even want to look at the oil dipstick. Damn that is a great car. Well, I didn't get a chance to even look at it for a week. (I have other cars.) I finally got it up in the air a bit, no leak unless it is running. OK, it's a pressure thing. Started it up, and sure enough, a gusher pouring onto the floor.Good Grief, Charley Brown! :) Tracking the leak to its source was no easy task, since I had to get under it and look up into a a steady stream of oil on my face/glasses etc. ... and down to the ground came a-bubbling crude,... oil that is, ...Texas Tea! :) I finally found the problem: a line running from the injection pump to the vacuum pump with a banjo bolt and copper sealing washers. It appears that the copper washer(s) was blown at the vacuum pump end, and oil was just pouring out. I shut it down and tried torqueing it a bit more no dice. That actually made it a little worse. I then tried to locate the washers at several local auto shops/ Autozone/hardware stores. Naturally, no one had anything that small... these are tiny, btw. So I ordered them from the local dealer, Carriage House Mercedes. In the meantime, I re-annealed the old washers, thinking I would reuse them if worse came to worst. I went to pick up the new washers yesterday. . there was a screwup somehow. Carriage House ordered the wrong ones, but, they found the RIGHT ones in stock on the shelf. (That was Grant, btw,... I believe Dwight knows him also.) So I finally got the chance to install them after work today and PERFECT! Problem solved. Took it out for test run.No leak. Hooray! So, after all that, blowing out 6 quarts in 120 miles, a harrowing, nerve-wracking drive worrying about blowing the engine and making it home.. the problem is fixed for a total cost of: $3.39. That is NOT a misprint God, I love that car! :) How can I possibly think about getting rid of it, after a performance like that! It really doesn't want to die! I am reminded of the famous quote from Genl. George Patton, upon hearing the response of the Commander of the 101st Airborne, trapped in Bastogne during the Battle of the Bulge, to the German demand for surrender:
Re: [MBZ] diagnosing driveshaft vibration
Allan Here is my write up for the 85 TD. First make sure that's your problem, this is not one of those may as well deals, too expensive. I had to remove the whole shaft to find that I did indeed have a bad bearing on my 85 300TD. I bought a used one from sa...@silverstarrecyling.com for $125 plus $50 shipping. They just taped it to a 2X4 and sent it UPS. Here is my write up, no pictures: Subject: Drive shaft removal steps, 85 300TD From: Harry Watkins harryw...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Mon, Feb 5, 2007 at 2:50 PM Thanks to Peter and others, the job was made easy. While its fresh on my mind, I'll share the steps I took. Keep in mind that this is an 85 300TD and I've no experience with other models. I have the paper manual and read the procedure before hand, however, more than one model was covered and I got a little confused. Peter's answers were not confusing and all went smoothly after his input. 1.. Remove the exhaust system from the transmission to the bumper. Two bolts with nuts, ½ socket and ½ box end. Four rubber donuts, all near the bumper, I left one donut attached to hold up that end while I removed the flange connection. I used a screwdriver and a wiggle to separate the pipe. Lowered it to the floor and pushed it clear. The manual spoke of an exhaust baffle that mine did not have. I pre Kroil everything I work on but there is very little rust under this car and it probably was not needed.. 2.. I supported the transmission with a large piece of wood and a small floor jack, then removed the transmission rear support plate and mount. Four bolts going straight up, 11/16' socket. One nut above the rubber mount, ¾, I used a flex gear wrench. 3.. Disconnect the front flex disk. I removed the three bolts (5/8 socket) and nuts (11/16' box end) that left the disk attached to the transmission. I had to rotate the drive shaft once to gain access to the third bolt. The rear wheels were on ramps with a large floor jack left under the differential. I raised the rear just enough to turn the wheels. I ended up doing this again with the rear disk, so next time I'll remove bolts front and rear, then rotate the shaft only one time to gain access. I then used a tire tool to force the shaft to the rear and clear of the transmission. 4.. Remove the center bearing support bolts (two). ½ short socket with a 6 wobble extension. Both are straight up, but one side needs a little wobble to get a good fit. 5.. Disconnect the parking brake equalizer mechanism. I removed the spring by inserting the tire tool in the coil as a handle and gained enough slack to remove it and the V wire anchor. Needle nose pliers were used to remove a tiny cotter key from a small pin that released the cable coming from the cab. Now there was enough slack to remove the lever and one of the brake shoe cables to let everything swing clear. 6.. There is a welded plate across the shaft tunnel that keeps the shaft supported up front until you are ready to slide it out to the rear. At this point, I used bailing wire to secure the two shaft ends together so there was no chance of separation until I had it out and marked for exact rematch. 7.. Remove the rear disk. Same as the front, I left the disk on the differential. I forced it forward with the tire tool, dropped it down and slid it to the rear and out. I should have left it on the shaft for easier replacement on the bench. (oh well) Hopefully there are folks that will chime in to make this easier.. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Test two
I think I turned off my Spam blocker. Over half of what was routed to the Spam folder were messages I would have wanted to see. Some were from USAA, my main financial site (not good). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Test
I am not getting any posts. Are we still up and running? Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Blue Angels
WOW, and to think, I always thought those guys had to be good, never thought about its who you know. WOW. Harry Wonko the Sane wrote: Not to throw a damp blanket over the hype, but the Blue Angels are doing nothing more than Flight School 101 maneuvers -- but in very expensive jets. Very good show, lots of wow factor, but not doing anything anyone with a jet license can't do. I tend to think that Blue Angels pilots are just guys who are picked by the old-boys network to maybe an an admiral someday. Sorry, folks, went to the same school as they did. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Way Off Topic - Paint
I always store left over paint upside down. Doesn't always work but I never tracked results to have a better feel. I wonder if it would work to put the paint can in one of those bags that you can vacuum out the air? I get the bags at Wal-Mart and they hold up pretty well. Harry - Original Message - From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2010 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Way Off Topic - Paint How about laying a piece or two of plastic wrap (such as Saran) over the surface of the paint? -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Apr 13, 2010, at 23:46, Jerry Herrman jer...@san.rr.com wrote: I like to use a 5 gallon bucket when I paint (latex) interior walls, etc. I've found that when I put the remainder away for a period of time for future use, mildew develops along the top, making what's leftover not too desirable. I've tried those products that prevent mold/mildew and found them quite expensive, and each one is only enough to treat one gallon. Anybody know of a source for this product at deep discount, or, better yet, a product that does the job and is available dirt cheap? Sorta like using citric acid to clean a cooling system instead of a costly product, or like we use baking soda to clean around our battery instead of an expensive concoction. __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 5026 (20100413) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] What happened? Just a coincidence?
You guys were right as usual. #5 fuse blew and it covers about 14 items and especially my problems, A/C, blower and full heat. New fuse got it going and when I repeated what caused it, the kick down switch, it also repeated blowing the fuse . Now to follow Jim's suggestion and find the short. Thanks Harry 86 300 SDL, just got off I-20 after 80 mile trip. I needed to change lanes and at about 30 MPH I mashed down to engage the kick down switch. I immediately lost the A/C and blower, the heater seemed to be wide open. The kick down worked and nothing else changed. Stopping and restarting the engine did not reset it, I had heard that is required some times. Any ideas? The kickdown solenoid is shorted, or the wiring to it is, and when you powered it the fuse blew, said fuse being shared by these other components? Just a guess. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] What happened? Just a coincidence?
86 300 SDL, just got off I-20 after 80 mile trip. I needed to change lanes and at about 30 MPH I mashed down to engage the kick down switch. I immediately lost the A/C and blower, the heater seemed to be wide open. The kick down worked and nothing else changed. Stopping and restarting the engine did not reset it, I had heard that is required some times. Any ideas? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Replacing A/C compressor in a 240D
Rusty/Tom got all the mounting hardware I needed to remount my 240D compressor. Harry I've looked all over and can't find any nuts and bolts descriptions of this job except for the MB disc. All help much appreciated. Thanks, Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Prodedure question
Besides this site, I have had good results here. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/index.php Harry Does anyone know whether a web site exists that provides written and/or graphic directions of how to perform certain common maintenance procedures like, for instance, changing transmission fluid and filter in a 1985 300 TD? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT - #1 son success
Wow, way to go #1 son, congratulations. Beating the varsity is (as VP Biden would say) a BIG #*$%^# deal. Harry - Original Message - From: redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 9:24 PM Subject: [MBZ] OT - #1 son success Just a proud share from a father. #1 son and his mock trial team swept the state championship this weekend. 5-0, beat the varsity team in a civil war round and took the title against heavy competition. Their varsity team had been state champs four years running, but JV upset and won. Now they are heading to Philly in five weeks to compete in nationals. --- clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SD still being bad
I did what Jim said and built a tester with an ammeter from a flap. I left mine in the bubble package and did laparoscopic surgery to connect the wires to the meter, put two insulated clips on the other end and it answers the question, good or bad? IIRC about $20. Thanks Harry though I changed out a bad glow plug. I don't have an amp meter to test the current to the glow plugs, wondered if I should just get this new kit and replace the relay and all the plugs? You could. But an ammeter is a pretty handy tool to have. (This is not a job for the usual VOM or DMM.) The old-style automotive dashboard charge/discharge ammeter is good for this, if it's the 20-0-20 type with markings. One can be had at any auto parts store. That and a couple of short pieces of 12-gauge house wire and you're in business. (Hook wires to the ammeter. Pull GP harness connector and stick one lead into each socket [in turn] and poke the other against the fuse screw. Watch the current, it should start high and drop to half that over a second or two. All should show the same readings/behavior.) I got mine at a thrift shop. Hmm, I wonder where I put it?... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] resoldering W123 ACC howto
Resoldered the ACC boards, and still no blower. So my next suspect is the blower motor brushes. Allan, I had the same problem with my SDL and it turned out to be a melted fuse holder in the fuse box. The 300D can also have this problem. Check out this thread at Peachparts. http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=2384351#post2384351 Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cd question 95 E320
The upgrade I have in the SDL has the same. Push the eject button and the face plate tilts out and the CD slot is found. Harry - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 9:20 PM Subject: [MBZ] Cd question 95 E320 If the radio on this E320 has a button that says cd, but I can't finder the changer, does that it is pre-wired for the changer and I can get one? What would I look for? Donald H Snook McDonald Tinker Law Firm (316) 263-5851 www.mtsqh.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Aux coolant pump teardown pictures.
Walt, thanks for the information. This is keeper stuff. Harry Just wanted to let you guys know I'll be making a small run of replacement impellers for the aux pumps in a week or two. Got a cad model done up right now, going to push out to the cam program later today. The electric motor came right back to life after a good cleaning with the blowgun/wipeall wipes/etc. Now it's on to finding/making a gasket. These pumps are quite simple to rebuild if you're mechanically inclined, only parts that would be hard/impossible to get are the spring and shaft seal. Brushes look easy to replace/make also, but mine were good. If the armature windings are smoked, that's a different story... not sure if it can be rewound or if it would indeed be worth it. Get a new one for peace of mind, but don't toss out the old one, It could likely be repaired/salvaged. I'll keep you all up to date as things progress. Regards, Walt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
Take the intake to your local engine machine shop and let them clean it. It seems that every drop of splatter will stain forever, its nasty stuff. BTDT Thanks Harry *Now for my next question:* Has anyone found a good way to clean the intake plenum? . Thx! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] The wonderful 300 SDL
The 300 SDL is the best driving car I've owned and beats all the others in fuel economy. I've owned two 86 SDLs, an 85 TD, 85 300D Euro and an 81 240D manual Trans. The TD was second best for me, the wife liked the 240D. I believe the 86 SDL (non-CA) is the one that has less chance of blown heads and gaskets because it never had the oxidizer installed. I use Evans Waterless Antifreeze also and I think that gives me an edge from having head problems. The one I have now is within five or six minor problems from being ZD. However, I doubt that will ever be. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] The wonderful 300 SDL
ZD??? Zero defects. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives
I've been following this thread to see if ceramic's came up. Anyone have experience/opinion of these for the kitchen? Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:40 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives I have a really nice single blade folding pocket knife, hand made in Hungary in the late 90's. Absolutely a work of art; brass, hardwood handle, highly polished blade. Wicked sharp. It stays on the shelf at home, while I carry a tiny swiss army model with scissors, phillips and flat screw driver. Swiss army is boring, mass produced, but gets many jobs done. The Hungarian knife would be very hard to replace, so it rarely gets used. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O/T Knives Interesting knives? I think my WW1 Spanish saber is interesting On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.netwrote: Gary: In tools, give me competent and boring every time over interesting and incompetent (whatever that may be). To paraphrase Townsend Whelen: Only competent tools are interesting. Hmmm...I suppose very competent and also interesting would be better still... Some examples of non-boring knives Gary? Greg -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Need help with ashtray/radion installation 86 SDL
I cannot get both in without trying what I believe would be excessive force. I've tried it with each going in first but those spring clips between them are not giving way. Is there a tool that's needed? I am going back in with an upgrade Becker radio but in comparing it with the Grand Prix, I can find no difference. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need help with ashtray/radion installation 86 SDL
That really hurt :) but thanks. I'll try that tool and compare the radios for that indent location. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Need help with ashtray/radion installation 86 SDL I cannot get both in without trying what I believe would be excessive force. Then something's wrong. But you know that already. I've tried it with each going in first but those spring clips between them are not giving way. The radio goes in first. The spring clips detent into the matching holes in the factory Becker. Then the ashtray slips in, since the clips are totally out of the way. The clips are only for the radio. If the radio won't go in all the way, likely it is cabling bunched up at the back. If need be, the clips snap out. That's what you have to do with a non-Becker that doesn't have the detent holes. That's what I'll probably have to do with the Becker Traffic Pro 7881 I'm trying to install in the SEL. Is there a tool that's needed? Brain? :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Need help with ashtray/radion installation 86 SDL
Thanks Jim, I didn't have that tool so I used yours and it worked. There are no detent holes in the new radio so I removed the clips. Harry I cannot get both in without trying what I believe would be excessive force. Then something's wrong. But you know that already. I've tried it with each going in first but those spring clips between them are not giving way. The radio goes in first. The spring clips detent into the matching holes in the factory Becker. Then the ashtray slips in, since the clips are totally out of the way. The clips are only for the radio. If the radio won't go in all the way, likely it is cabling bunched up at the back. If need be, the clips snap out. That's what you have to do with a non-Becker that doesn't have the detent holes. That's what I'll probably have to do with the Becker Traffic Pro 7881 I'm trying to install in the SEL. Is there a tool that's needed? Brain? :-) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: The ongoing saga
Double ditto, you are on my daily prayer list. Harry - Original Message - From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: The ongoing saga On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:52:15 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Last night he called, the CT looks iffy so I need a cardiac cath. We will be praying for you, Curt. Ditto. Best of luck, Curt. I'm only four years older than you... hang in there so I don't have to worry about my own heart. ;) Alex Chamberlain ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Battery drain, 86 SDL
Radio inop, but it was calling for a code. I have a Becker upgrade for that. There is a code decoder application for the PC. I'm not sure I understand. Is this software that will give me a code? Dome light inop when door is opened. He got a new switch assembly from Rusty that he hasn't delivered to me yet. Driver's side? That can also be a blown diode in the warning module. Have you ever noticed that when you open the passenger door, only the passenger-side lights go on? I'll check it out, I know the light works in the on position but not when in the door position with the driver's door. I'll report back and will need more info on that diode. The other electrical problem he had was the inop blower motor. The Indy put in a new blower assembly and I cured it with the aux. 30 amp fuse kit from Rusty, the only money I've spent so far. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Battery drain, 86 SDL
My $2.99 HF VOM fluctuates between 64 and 65 ma. Is that enough drain to cause a problem? Sounds a bit on the high side. -- Jim Thanks Jim, what would run on 60 mA? Maybe a small bulb? Let me correct one thing. The fluctuation was from 60 to 65 on the meter, one increment. When I pulled fuse # 2 it settled to 60 mA, so I assume it was the clock. When I opened the driver's door the reading went to 150 and back to 60 when closed, after the delay for the dome light. When I opened the trunk, the fuse in my meter blew when the needled maxed out. Does this sound like a wire short? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Battery drain, 86 SDL
Jim, Max I pulled four fuses that got me to 0 mA. #2 which took the clock flux out. (a) Is drawing 25 mA. Front seat adjustment, jacket tube adjustment memory. (b) Is drawing 25 mA. Front seat adjustment, jacket tube adjustment. (nothing about memory) #15 Is drawing ~10 mA. One of the nine items it protects is Control unit, seat adjustment memory. What say you guys? Am I done? Thanks Harry Things that can draw static power: 1) Clock 2) Radio 3) Antenna 4) Central locking system 5) Alarm system 6) Dome light timer 7) Leaky alternator diode 60mA is pretty small for a bulb. P=VI, so that would be a 3/4W bulb. Any one of these candidates could be 'leaking' internally, and drawing more than it should. Most of these are fused, so if you can kill the load via fuse that's a clue that it's not #7, or some grotesque wiring harness or ignition switch leak. When I opened the driver's door the reading went to 150 and back to 60 when closed, after the delay for the dome light. 150mA? That's about a 1W light bulb. Should be lots more than that, more like amps. Two 5W bulbs in the doors, plus a 10W in the dome. Call it 20W, or 1.6A. You overwhelming the meter? On a Fluke, this is a $10 mistake. When I opened the trunk, the fuse in my meter blew when the needled maxed out. Does this sound like a wire short? Possibly, I've had them. People mis-wire trunk switch/light assemblies, and the wire through the hinge is vulnerable. There are three wires on the trunk light assembly (one's the alarm system); if you swap the wrong two the fuse blows every time you open the trunk. The normal load should have been a 10W bulb, or 850mA. The typical car battery is, let's say, 75 amp-hours. Translation: A one amp draw for seventy-five hours will _completely_ exhaust the battery. (And it would be unable to start the car well before that.) A 65mA load should do the job in 1100 hours, but if you burn a full quarter of the battery (in 250 hours) I'd say it was unacceptable. Ten days. A 20mA draw would be more like a month, which is probably acceptable. I don't know what the normal base load is on an SDL. Maybe I ought to, owning one and all, but I don't. I may have measured it, but in the early days I didn't keep a very detailed journal of what I did. It was only my second MB, after all. I can tell you that a variable 200-350mA leak in Jill's SL was enough to prevent starting if she didn't drive daily. A keyless entry system was about 10mA. I didn't note the draw after the fix, how smart's that? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Battery drain, 86 SDL
Thanks again Max and Jim. I was checking out a PO statement that he thought there was a drain. He listed four electrical problems that his Indy failed to fix after many $$$. Both seats had no movement. That turned out to be the seat relay and the aux. fuse holder had been switched in their slots. Driver's window was a broken switch that I glued back and swapped it with a rear window switch. Radio inop, but it was calling for a code. I have a Becker upgrade for that. Dome light inop when door is opened. He got a new switch assembly from Rusty that he hasn't delivered to me yet. When that and the passenger window is fixed, I can't name anything else that won't work. I'm not going to fool with the drain until I know its a problem. Like you suggested, maybe someone with an SDL can confirm my readings. I don't need or use the memory feature so I may be able to disconnect it. Thank Harry What problem are you trying to fix? I don't think that ~65mA is terrible, and if you plan to leave the car parked for long periods I'd recommend either disconnecting the battery or installing a float charger. I'm far from an expert on the front seat adjustments, but 25 mA draw on two different circuits with key off seems excessive to me. You may want to find a friend with car with same seats to see if they get similar results. I know that on my 124 wagon with memory front seat, battery won't last more than a couple weeks of sitting, but I've never measured the key off current draw. I bought a float charger for my wagon a couple years ago, and installed a jack under the driver's side dash to plug it in. There's a hot circuit under the dash on left side with a nice 10mm nut on a stud where I attached the positive lead, found a ground point somewhere down there. When I'm leaving town for more than a couple weeks, I park the car in the garage and crack the driver's window to feed in the extension cord. Plug the float charger in and leave it on the dash so I can see the lights to make sure it's working with just a glance from the garage entrance. Works like a charm. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Battery drain, 86 SDL
My $2.99 HF VOM fluctuates between 64 and 65 ma. I used the Cathey procedure to connect in series from the neg. post to the neg. cable. Is that enough drain to cause a problem? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] vacuum diagram for fuel cutoff
Gerry, try this site: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=105297 Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: [MBZ] vacuum diagram for fuel cutoff Can someone tell me where I can find a diagram of the vacuum lines under the hood or tell me where I can find them on the disc? The diagram I have of the vacuum lines to the locks and vacuum spheres doesn't show the vacuum lines to the ignition switch cutoff and the injector pump cutoff. These are for an '83 300D. Thanks, Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] vacuum diagram for fuel cutoff
Gerry, here is another source: http://boostnbenz.1baddsm.com/DIY/ Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: [MBZ] vacuum diagram for fuel cutoff Can someone tell me where I can find a diagram of the vacuum lines under the hood or tell me where I can find them on the disc? The diagram I have of the vacuum lines to the locks and vacuum spheres doesn't show the vacuum lines to the ignition switch cutoff and the injector pump cutoff. These are for an '83 300D. Thanks, Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] vacuum diagram for fuel cutoff
Last one Gerry, but you should get an answer from this LOOONG thread: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?p=1302538 Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: archer arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 12:27 PM Subject: [MBZ] vacuum diagram for fuel cutoff Can someone tell me where I can find a diagram of the vacuum lines under the hood or tell me where I can find them on the disc? The diagram I have of the vacuum lines to the locks and vacuum spheres doesn't show the vacuum lines to the ignition switch cutoff and the injector pump cutoff. These are for an '83 300D. Thanks, Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Auxiliary fuse kit for blower motor anyone BTDT
I need some help installing this kit on my 300SDL. If I'm reading the FSM correctly, the connections are made under the fuse box at #16 fuse. I don't see where there is enough slack in the attached wires to allow getting under there. Perhaps there is more disassembly required than I think. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fuse kit for blower motor anyone BTDT
No, fuse #16 was eliminated after end number 269896, my end number is 267785, so I have the melted fuse box at fuse # 16 location with a brand new, unused, PO installed blower motor and a fuse kit in my hand. Thanks Harry I have never heard of this on a SDL. Every one I have seen already has had this done. Now on the older 123's and 126's yes. Does yours not already have the strip fuse for the blower? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fuse kit for blower motor anyone BTDT
Wilton, did you have to remove the firewall that the box sets behind? What about disconnecting wiring to gain slack? Or was it just a muscle job? Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Auxiliary fuse kit for blower motor anyone BTDT Several months ago, I was able to pull the fuse box up and out and roll it upside down to access the terminals on the underside. Wilton - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Auxiliary fuse kit for blower motor anyone BTDT I need some help installing this kit on my 300SDL. If I'm reading the FSM correctly, the connections are made under the fuse box at #16 fuse. I don't see where there is enough slack in the attached wires to allow getting under there. Perhaps there is more disassembly required than I think. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Military as welfare.
Well put Fred. Some of my blood is over there as well. When I read Gary's post, my mind processed it the same as when Jimmy Carter said during his campaign that he would welcome the Vietnam deserters back from Canada. Gary now occupies the same status with me as Jane Fonda and Jimmy Carter. As my USMC DI was fond of saying, lower than whale S***. Harry . Gary. I'm usually tolerant of people who know no better than to make such uninformed statements. I thought that you had at least a glimmer of sense, guess I was wrong. The freedoms that you enjoy, including the right to free speech, are rare in this world today. A thin line of Hardees rejects are all that stand between us, including you, and a miserable, short and brutal life. That freedom was and is paid in blood, including some of mine. Please research your subject a little better before you piss me off any further. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
I use brake parts cleaner and air to blow it dry. To find the leakers, sprinkle some baby powder around the DVs and watch. I've done two 603s without problems and on the first one, I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. I did however follow the procedures with care. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Thx for the instructions! Yes, I'd like the full content. What do you use to wash things off with as you work? Kero / Diesel? Thanks - LarryT 91 300D 602-962 OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good results by following the instructions. As with all injector work, cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts to show, then wash the DV and deck again. When the oring is leaking, it is crumbling. Lots of little black stuff is released and needs to be washed off. As you back out the DV, keep washing and blowing off the DV and deck. I take off and replace one DV at a time, up to the final torque. After the last DV is done, then replace the lines, bleed the air and tighten down the line at the injector. I also replace the DV springs while I am in there. It is just a precaution, and quite inexpensive. Don't replace only the leaking orings. You will be right back doing the job again. Taking off the intake manifold does make the job easier, but is not necessary. If I ever have need to remove the intake manifold, I change the orings, unless I know the orings are under 2 years old. I also order 8 orings, 8 copper seals and 6 springs to do the job. Sometimes it is necessary to pull one back out, and that usually results in a cut oring, and the copper seal should also be replaced. Having spares cuts a week off the duration of the job. (Waiting for more orings to be delivered) IF you don't have it, I will email the instructions I have accumulated from this list over time. You need to be clean and be careful, but it is not that hard of a job, and I think the dangers are overstated, unless you try to use air tools to install the delivery valves. Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the 3 stage procedure for torqueing is to insure accuracy so there must have been problems in the past. Is the metal on the IP where the DV's are installed perhaps soft which could lead to inaccurate settings? Just curious --- Thx for the suggestion - - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job
The lockdown straps are splined. You stack two on a DV and leave the ends facing out, their thickness is more than a 1/4. I then used either a 17mm or 11/16 crowsfoot with a long extension going straight up and past the intake. You have to connect the torque wrench 90 degrees from the strap ends, otherwise you would extend the length of the wrench and the torque would be off. I had the DVs snug so the straps did not have much travel before torque was achieved. Harry . - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Thx for that Harry - You wrote I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. You didn't use a torque wrench? Don't understand --- LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job I use brake parts cleaner and air to blow it dry. To find the leakers, sprinkle some baby powder around the DVs and watch. I've done two 603s without problems and on the first one, I used the hold down straps as a wrench to do the torque. I did however follow the procedures with care. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Thx for the instructions! Yes, I'd like the full content. What do you use to wash things off with as you work? Kero / Diesel? Thanks - LarryT 91 300D 602-962 OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:20 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel delivery valve job Doing one at a time is excess work. I have done 4 OM603s with good results by following the instructions. As with all injector work, cleanliness is the primary concern. After the deck is cleaned, and you start to remove the DVs, I back them out until the oring starts to show, then wash the DV and deck again. When the oring is leaking, it is crumbling. Lots of little black stuff is released and needs to be washed off. As you back out the DV, keep washing and blowing off the DV and deck. I take off and replace one DV at a time, up to the final torque. After the last DV is done, then replace the lines, bleed the air and tighten down the line at the injector. I also replace the DV springs while I am in there. It is just a precaution, and quite inexpensive. Don't replace only the leaking orings. You will be right back doing the job again. Taking off the intake manifold does make the job easier, but is not necessary. If I ever have need to remove the intake manifold, I change the orings, unless I know the orings are under 2 years old. I also order 8 orings, 8 copper seals and 6 springs to do the job. Sometimes it is necessary to pull one back out, and that usually results in a cut oring, and the copper seal should also be replaced. Having spares cuts a week off the duration of the job. (Waiting for more orings to be delivered) IF you don't have it, I will email the instructions I have accumulated from this list over time. You need to be clean and be careful, but it is not that hard of a job, and I think the dangers are overstated, unless you try to use air tools to install the delivery valves. Max wrote Maybe you should only do the leaking DV's in order to reduce the possibility of a problem? That's a good idea. I'll have to clean things really good to determine which is the primary culprit/s. Usually the engine is pretty clean but it's been so cold that I haven't been able to rinse it off. At the moment there's a thin film of diesel around all 5 DV hold down clamps. BTW, what kind of noise should I be listening for? I wonder how the factory/dealer does them to make sure they do it right the first time (also know as DIRTFT) ? I'm sure the factory uses a special tool to screw all 5 or 6 in at once, but if I'm very careful with my torque wrench I should be able to duplicate the torque on each DV pretty precisely, I think. I suspect the 3 stage procedure for torqueing is to insure accuracy so there must have been problems in the past. Is the metal on the IP where the DV's are installed perhaps soft which could lead to inaccurate settings? Just curious --- Thx for the suggestion - - LarryT 91 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http
Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?)
Well put Larry, to bad information like this falls on deaf ears. Ever see man on the street TV? Folks can't name the two major parties, but someone registered them to vote and they do. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?) If China ever decides to stop buying our debt - like most others already have - we'll be in the crapper. Does anyone like having China dictate loan terms to us? As the govt keeps spending more and more trillions, *someone* will *have* to buy our debt. Either that or crank up the printing presses and print more paper money. True, that will force inflation up - no more 5% home loans. And with the spending getting larger with every speech there's no end in sight. It may seem like the govt has unlimited resources but in the end they're just like any of our families finances. Spend too much and you'll reach a point that bills will go unpaid (which is pretty unpopular) and people who loaned us money for cars and houses will come looking for money or the stuff their money bought. At this point obama has asked for a debt ceiling of $13 trillion (at last count). BTW, Bush increased the US Debt by $3.9 trill in 8 years (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms). Obama is expected to double Bush's debt. (http://blog.heritage.org/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/) Does anyone who thinks that's financially prudent? But I guess when someone is elected who has zero experience producing anything tangible, running a business, meeting a payroll, - even running a city or state - zero experience, that's to be expected. Something's wrong with this picture - and the US population is suffering because of that shortsightedness. The problem I see is the govt taking more and more power over the population. If obamacare passes, the govt will have power over virtually every aspect of our lives. Like, Say, that beer is pretty unhealthy - wouldn't be fair for you to practice poor habits and overload the national healthcare system. Got guns? Gee, they hurt people, they need to be controlled. Fat and calories in red meat? Start eating tofu. That car looks pretty unhealthy too - and is producing some kind of chemical we'll pay scientist to say are bad for you. Better get it off the road Unfortunately the words are there, buried in the 2000+ pages we were allowed to see. Who knows what the next one will look like - certainly not the people, not even the congresspeople who will vote on it. Once it's law we'll learn the details and they'll reassure us, Oh no, it may say that but we'd never do that. Yep, right. I wonder why we haven't been allowed to see the new bill or watch the procedure for melding the Senate and House versions? Hmmm... think its because they don't want us to learn the details or see the deals being made to buy votes? Does anyone think this administration would *not* use the same techniques to stay in office? Yep, I'm paranoid! Damn right I am! The healthcare bill will affect our financial stability also. Naturally the healthcare industry will not do well. Doctors will have their salaries capped as will medical facilities. No pre-existing conditions? Gee, if I have an accident, I'll call an insurance co and buy some then. Why pay for it month after month? Just making those evil corporate insurance vermin rich! Without a base to balance the income and payments, private insurance will go out of business forcing people to the govt plan. There will *have* to be a govt plan to cover those who see their insurance co goes belly up. What's another broken promise when it comes to the health of the US people? That's why it's important to pass *something* -- so they have a basis to add to as they introduce little bits of govt run health care in the dead of night. Cut doctors pay? Think the best and brightest will put themselves through 12 years of torture to become a doctor for minimum wage? No problem, we'll import a bunch from India and Pakistan - they'll be happy to work for $30K per year. Ya'll don't have to believe me - it will come to pass. Excuse me, I gotta go shovel some global warming from my walkway... LarryT OilAnalysis Time? Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters? www.youroil.net -- From: Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 1:21 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Economics (was Sulfur good?) What do other listers think about the current US economic posture? Some pundits, like Peter Schiff, claim we are in deep doo-doo because we went into hock up to our collective necks while we have simultaneously cut way back most wealth (things
Re: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance
Joe knight on the west coast was set up to do it, had a supply of shims. I'm not sure he ever did it for others, but not sure. His email WAS jskni...@gmail.com or j...@jsandctk.com Nice guy, he helped me many times. Harry - Original Message - From: Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 4:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] Injector rebuild and balance Isn't there a list member that rebuilds and adjusts diesel injectors? Christopher McCann maybe? I'd really like to build a pop tester and do the job myself - but I need the injectors now. Anyones memory better than mine? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Malware Defense antiviral software
Andrew, try Avast for antivirus, and JV16 Power Tools for correcting registry problem. Both have free downloads but won't break the bank if you buy a pro version. Google for reviews. I've had both for over three years after trying others that ate up CPU operations and hurt the pocket book. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides
Does anyone know of an online site to see wiring diagrams for an 86 SDL? Also, if you have the car, would you look in the fuse box and see if its what I have in mine? Hopefully I'll be able to attach a picture of mine Still no fix on my seat adjustment problem. The manuals that I have appear to not cover my 86 SDL. One example is the book IDs a seat relay at slot H in the fuse box but what I have is a fuse holder that serves as a fused jumper. Thanks Harry. Subject: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Where do I start? I get nothing on either seat with key on, running, door open and in or out of seat. I have (part of) an Electrical Troubleshooting manual that covers 1986 through 1991. Its missing a bunch of pages in the first part but has diagrams that seem to cover my problem. I'm confused (no kidding) that the manual shows a relay H in the fuse box, but in that location in my fuse box there are two red fuses. However, FYI this is one of the early models that did not have the external fuse 16 update. (but soon will) I see fuses a, b, 15 and 17 along with a diode and the mystery relay are involved. I have replaced the fuses with no change. Help if you can and please treat with kid gloves. You are dealing with an electrical ignoramus. Thanks Harry PS: This is an SDL that went away over two years ago and has returned refitted. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pic295.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 83277 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20100103/79655e9e/attachment.jpe ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190e dash vents
Jim, Go to Rusty's online site, buymbparts.biz and you can see some of it. Harry - Original Message - From: Jim Arnott j...@wetwesties.org To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 8:11 PM Subject: [MBZ] 190e dash vents that won't close. Which is kinda a problem when it's 20 deg F outside. The levers that are supposed to close them do nothing. Any suggestions for repair without removing the dash? Does anyone have a scan of the parts book that will show me the relevant pieces? As always, thanks in advance. Jim Arnott Union, OR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides
Max You got that right, anything electrical is a puzzle to me so I'm looking for help. Peachtree looks like my best bet. I haven't been there for a long time but I feel like some help will come from there. If it was a gasser I would already have the answer, those guys found the seat relay in the trunk and discovered a solder job will restore power to the seats. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Harry, Well then, you've got a puzzle to keep you busy. Could the wiring in the door jamb accordion joint have failed? That's a common failure on 124 cars. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Max, the SDL works as you stated, I was trying to make the point that I tried it in all situations. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Harry, I don't think the power seats work with key on and door open. I think it's either key on/door closed or key off and out and door open. I may be wrong - never owned an S class and haven't really played around with my 124 but I do know that key off and door open will allow them to work. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Where do I start? I get nothing on either seat with key on, running, door open and in or out of seat. I have (part of) an Electrical Troubleshooting manual that covers 1986 through 1991. Its missing a bunch of pages in the first part but has diagrams that seem to cover my problem. I'm confused (no kidding) that the manual shows a relay H in the fuse box, but in that location in my fuse box there are two red fuses. However, FYI this is one of the early models that did not have the external fuse 16 update. (but soon will) I see fuses a, b, 15 and 17 along with a diode and the mystery relay are involved. I have replaced the fuses with no change. Help if you can and please treat with kid gloves. You are dealing with an electrical ignoramus. Thanks Harry PS: This is an SDL that went away over two years ago and has returned refitted. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides
Okay, okay, its Peachparts Harry - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:32 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Max You got that right, anything electrical is a puzzle to me so I'm looking for help. Peachtree looks like my best bet. I haven't been there for a long time but I feel like some help will come from there. If it was a gasser I would already have the answer, those guys found the seat relay in the trunk and discovered a solder job will restore power to the seats. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Harry, Well then, you've got a puzzle to keep you busy. Could the wiring in the door jamb accordion joint have failed? That's a common failure on 124 cars. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 4:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Max, the SDL works as you stated, I was trying to make the point that I tried it in all situations. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Harry, I don't think the power seats work with key on and door open. I think it's either key on/door closed or key off and out and door open. I may be wrong - never owned an S class and haven't really played around with my 124 but I do know that key off and door open will allow them to work. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Where do I start? I get nothing on either seat with key on, running, door open and in or out of seat. I have (part of) an Electrical Troubleshooting manual that covers 1986 through 1991. Its missing a bunch of pages in the first part but has diagrams that seem to cover my problem. I'm confused (no kidding) that the manual shows a relay H in the fuse box, but in that location in my fuse box there are two red fuses. However, FYI this is one of the early models that did not have the external fuse 16 update. (but soon will) I see fuses a, b, 15 and 17 along with a diode and the mystery relay are involved. I have replaced the fuses with no change. Help if you can and please treat with kid gloves. You are dealing with an electrical ignoramus. Thanks Harry PS: This is an SDL that went away over two years ago and has returned refitted. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides
Where do I start? I get nothing on either seat with key on, running, door open and in or out of seat. I have (part of) an Electrical Troubleshooting manual that covers 1986 through 1991. Its missing a bunch of pages in the first part but has diagrams that seem to cover my problem. I'm confused (no kidding) that the manual shows a relay H in the fuse box, but in that location in my fuse box there are two red fuses. However, FYI this is one of the early models that did not have the external fuse 16 update. (but soon will) I see fuses a, b, 15 and 17 along with a diode and the mystery relay are involved. I have replaced the fuses with no change. Help if you can and please treat with kid gloves. You are dealing with an electrical ignoramus. Thanks Harry PS: This is an SDL that went away over two years ago and has returned refitted. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides
Max, the SDL works as you stated, I was trying to make the point that I tried it in all situations. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Harry, I don't think the power seats work with key on and door open. I think it's either key on/door closed or key off and out and door open. I may be wrong - never owned an S class and haven't really played around with my 124 but I do know that key off and door open will allow them to work. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 1:38 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] 86 SDL, no power seat adjustment, both sides Where do I start? I get nothing on either seat with key on, running, door open and in or out of seat. I have (part of) an Electrical Troubleshooting manual that covers 1986 through 1991. Its missing a bunch of pages in the first part but has diagrams that seem to cover my problem. I'm confused (no kidding) that the manual shows a relay H in the fuse box, but in that location in my fuse box there are two red fuses. However, FYI this is one of the early models that did not have the external fuse 16 update. (but soon will) I see fuses a, b, 15 and 17 along with a diode and the mystery relay are involved. I have replaced the fuses with no change. Help if you can and please treat with kid gloves. You are dealing with an electrical ignoramus. Thanks Harry PS: This is an SDL that went away over two years ago and has returned refitted. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Lapping IP nozzle
Perter, very nice write-up, a keeper for sure. Thanks Harry Those are the delivery valves, and no , you should NEVER lap anything related to the IP. The seal is with a rubber o-ring at the fuel chamber and the copper seal on the plunger/sleeve set, and neither is going to wear anywhere else (except the plunger to sleeve fit, and the only fix there is a new set). Obtain new o-rings and copper seals. Clean the IP completely, no dust or grit or goo. Remove injection lines, then one and a time inscrew the delivery valve holders. Lift the holder up carefully, remove the spring and insert, then lift off the seal with a pick. Some seal at the base of the screw in part, some have a seal at the TOP of the internal body, make sure you put the seal back were it came out. Some people recommend replacing the spring as well, they are not expensive. Remove the old o-ring, roll the new one in place, grease with vaseline or silicone grease, place the new copper seal properly, re-install the spring, insert, and pressure valve body the way they originally were, then torque the pressure valve holder to 25 Nm, release, torque again to 25 Nm, release, then tighten to 30 Nm. No more, else you will distort the injection pump, no less or it will surely leak internally. Repeat for the remaining pressure valves. Re-install the injection lines, leaving the cap nut at the injectors (not at the IP) loose. Crank until no more air comes out, then tighten the cap nuts. Should start pretty quickly after that. It's unlikely the leak will cause more than fuel spillage -- also replace ALL the fuel lines between the tank and the suction side of the lift pump, and the hand pump if it's the old red handled screw down type -- the plunger seal leaks and lets air in. Air leaking into the suction lines will cause the fuel to run low in the IP, making it very hard (and eventually impossible) to start. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Say relief?
Hey Rusty, how about me? I did the same as Wilton except I spent twice as much this morning. What email? Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Say relief? Wilton, call me in the morning. I'll give you the 10 percent. People, read your email, I send them for a reason. --Original Message-- From: WILTON Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com To: mercedes list ReplyTo: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Dec 14, 2009 8:56 PM Subject: [MBZ] Say relief? 'Guess I screwed myself out of $7 or so discount on a Rusty order this afternoon. I didn't say relief IAW his Dec 10 sales notice. So, a reminder to all; don't forget to say relief this month on your Rusty orders. ;)) Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] towing a 1980 300 SD?
Christy, tell us more. Will it idle? Does your tow vehicle have a hitch?, Weather? Hilly terrain? Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: Chris N John ceand...@tctwest.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 3:27 PM Subject: [MBZ] towing a 1980 300 SD? Hi, Guys We are needing to tow our Sadie back home. She broke down out in the toolies. What is safe, without messing up the transmission? We need to go about 5 miles. Or do we need a tow truck? Thanks for info and input, as always!! Christy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D
Will someone help me through this please? I made a mess of one I did before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD. What tools to use and the procedures. Got a looker coming this afternoon. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D
Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try. Harry - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, it will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that holds it against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top. --R harry watkins wrote: Will someone help me through this please? I made a mess of one I did before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD. What tools to use and the procedures. Got a looker coming this afternoon. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D
I'm doing something wrong. How many pieces are there? I grabbed the very bottom of the unit and tugged pretty good without feeling a spring action, perhaps I'm being a girlie man with it. More details please. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try. Harry - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, it will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that holds it against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top. --R harry watkins wrote: Will someone help me through this please? I made a mess of one I did before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD. What tools to use and the procedures. Got a looker coming this afternoon. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D
Wilton, too late, I have ruined them both. I skipped over your first post to write a new request for help, my bad. I called a friend that had MBs in Germany and he thought Rich had it right, so, not wanting to be a girlie man, I ... If the looker buys, I'll knock off some $$$. How much does a new one cost? I bought the one I had from Tim. Thanks for the responses Harry - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D I sent the hood star pdf to you 30-45 minutes ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D I'm doing something wrong. How many pieces are there? I grabbed the very bottom of the unit and tugged pretty good without feeling a spring action, perhaps I'm being a girlie man with it. More details please. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try. Harry - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, it will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that holds it against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top. --R harry watkins wrote: Will someone help me through this please? I made a mess of one I did before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD. What tools to use and the procedures. Got a looker coming this afternoon. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D
Thanks Rusty, I'll give him your number if he buys, or I'll call you if he doesn't. Harry - Original Message - From: Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D A new one is $20.00 Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D Wilton, too late, I have ruined them both. I skipped over your first post to write a new request for help, my bad. I called a friend that had MBs in Germany and he thought Rich had it right, so, not wanting to be a girlie man, I ... If the looker buys, I'll knock off some $$$. How much does a new one cost? I bought the one I had from Tim. Thanks for the responses Harry - Original Message - From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D I sent the hood star pdf to you 30-45 minutes ago. Wilton - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D I'm doing something wrong. How many pieces are there? I grabbed the very bottom of the unit and tugged pretty good without feeling a spring action, perhaps I'm being a girlie man with it. More details please. Thanks Harry - Original Message - From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try. Harry - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] RR Star on 1981 240D Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, it will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that holds it against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top. --R harry watkins wrote: Will someone help me through this please? I made a mess of one I did before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD. What tools to use and the procedures. Got a looker coming this afternoon. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Craigslist, tell me what I'm doing wrong
This is my ad and it has gotten flagged and removed from the site twice. I put it in a different city last night, but what ever is wrong is still there. http://meridian.craigslist.org/grd/1495482841.html I recently bought everything but the real estate from a closed golf course and will need craigslist to help me get rid of about 1000 items. Any ideas, anyone? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Craigslist, tell me what I'm doing wrong
Okay Mitch, I put it back up in Jackson, MS and used your words, maybe this will work. http://jackson.craigslist.org/grd/1496926234.html Thanks Harry harry watkins wrote: Any ideas, anyone? This is not a scam, it's an ad to sell a mower. Would whoever keeps flagging this ad please email me and tell me what the problem is? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Cleaning the cooling system
Same here, that's a keeper, thanks. Harry - Original Message - From: Jim Arnott j...@wetwesties.org To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cleaning the cooling system Thank you. Printed and added to repair notes. Jim On Nov 27, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:37:05 -0500 Peter T. Arnold pm7...@comcast.net wrote: Be carefull what you use for Detergent, it should be non foaming. A few tablespoons of TSP in fresh water will do the deed. Drive about 20 miles for max cleaning and flush it out. Follow by citric acid cleaning. And note that citric acid is NOT the same thing as citrus cleaner! You really want citric acid. BTW. The factory manual, Section 20-015, says, == A. De-oiling 1. Completely drain cooling system. 2. Remove thermostat element and set heater lever to warm. 3. Fill cooling system with a 5% solution of water and P3 Standard (made by Henkel) (50 grams P3 / liter of water). Attention: On vehicles with ALUMINUM RADIATOR, a neutral cleaner such as P3 Croni (made by Henkel) or Grisiorn 7220 (made by Farbwerke Hoechst) must be used instead of the heavily alcaline [sic] cleaner P3 Standard. 4. Run engine warm at medium speed up to approx. 80 deg.C (176 deg.F) and hold this temperature for about 5 minutes. 5. Stop engine and permit cooling system to cool down to approx. 50 deg.C (122 deg.F). 6. Completely drain solution. 7. Immediately thereafter, fill cooling system twice with fresh water, run warm (approx. 5 minutes) and drain. B. Decalcification, derusting. ATTENTION! Prior to decalcification, BE SURE to de-oil cooling system, even if there is no visible oiling-up. 1. After second fluching job during de-oiling, fill cooling system with a 10% (100 g/l) solution of water and citric acid, tartaric acid or oxalic acid (sold by the chemical trade), while giving preference to citric acid. 2. Run engine warm at medium speed up to approx. 80 deg.C (176 deg.F) and hold for approx. 10 minutes at this temperature. 3. Stop engine and permit to cool down to approx. 50 deg.C (122 deg.F). 4. Completely drain decalcification solution. 5. Flush cooling system at least three times with fresh water, while running engine for at least 5 minutes with each flushing charge. Badly calcified cooling systems may require a repetition of the treatment. Always prepare a fresh decalcification solution and repeat flushing steps. 6. Install thermostat element with a new seal. 7. Fill the cooling system with specified coolant specification for service products page 310 to 325). NOTE: For decalcification and derusting, commercial products named with the acids nemed [sic] above may also be used. Chromic acid or products containing chromates are prohibited by sewage regulations. = == Pay attention that you do NOT drive your car with the thermostat removed. Benz engines do not cool properly with the thermostat removed. Some people have used old thermostats that have been wedged completely open with a short piece of brass tubing (like a shell casing). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] What solvent do you use in your parts washer?
I just became the owner of a parts washer and I need pro and con advice on a good solvent to use. Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 126 Going Green
Ditto, I'm on dial-up. Harry - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 126 Going Green On Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:03:11 -0600 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: nasty Indeed, the cars are quite nasty. But so was the 6.45 *** MEGABYTE *** email that sent them. I'm glad I switched to a speedier email account. Our old one, at 30 kilobytes/s, would have been very painful. Next time, please reduce them to something on the order of 1024x768 (which is about 175 kilobytes). That's more than large enough to communicate the atrocity that was committed in painting the cars. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Had another low-power episode, '87 300TD
Max, when one of my SDLs had the dead bug problem I added a second clear filter. I teed in a parallel second filter and pinched it shut with a pair of padded vice grips. When the engine started to lose power, I just released the vice grip and went on my way. Cleaned both filters at my leisure and reinstalled. It took about 18 months for it clean itself up. Harry - Original Message - From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Had another low-power episode, '87 300TD Dieselvolk, Third episode yesterday a.m. on the way to work. Same pattern: about 5 gallons left in the tank, cold morning (cold for the Low Country, that is, which is about 50 degrees). I have two new clear in-line filters and one new main filter in the car (Thanks Gary!) so I decided to see if I could make it to the parking lot at work, so I could change the in-line filter during my lunch break. I was able to drive about 5 miles and got within about 4 blocks before the engine died and would not restart. Took me about 10 minutes on the side of the road, in a light rain, to replace the in-line filter. Old filter was really plugged up with junk, probably dead fungus/mold from the tank because I administered a dose of biocide about two months ago. Once the air was purged, car ran like a top again. I'm still planning to change the tank strainer, just need to get my new E300 on the road first. More on that front in another email... Very respectfully, /s/ LCDR Max Dillon '87 300TD 316k miles '95 E300 274k miles Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New member intro and 190e question or two
Hi Jim Welcome to the best MB list on the internet. We have many very smart folks here and you will get good answers. With your VW experience, I expect you will be one of those providing answers at this site after some MB ownership. Including me, there are many VW lovers on this list and if I can ever buy my VW Rabbit diesel pickup back, I'll need answers in that area. BTW, good choice of cars for your daughter. Harry - Original Message - From: Jim Arnott jr.arn...@gmail.com To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 8:01 PM Subject: [MBZ] New member intro and 190e question or two Good evening folks, I am Jim Arnott, a long time VW owner (and list admin for a bunch of VW lists) and possibly a new used Mercedes owner. I live in NE Oregon and have been driving/repairing VWs most of my life. I have an opportunity to pick up a '92 190e 2.6 for not a lot of money. I have a single mom daughter that needs wheels and saving you all the long story, if we were to toss a shiny Merc her way it would please her to no end (and get her off my back!) The 190 that I'm looking at has oil in the coolant so it obviously need a head gasket. It's also leaking at the rear of the engine and I expect that that may well be a head gasket issue as well. Changing out the gasket doesn't look like too big of project, but I do have a question about one part of the process. The service manual 01.1101 I - 415/4 step 8 says Use impact extractor 116 589 20 33 00 to withdraw slide rail pin (74). Not having impact extractor 116 589 20 33 00 to withdraw slide rail pin, is there a work around? A substitute tool? Does the slide rail pin really need to be extracted to RR the head gasket? Second question: From what I've gathered through the Googles, head gasket failure seems to be typical on the 2.6 motor at around 100k miles. Is this a true statement and how likely is it that a simple replacement will cure its ills? There is no evidence that the motor has been overheated and the oil in the coolant is a relatively recent occurrence. The motor runs strong, has 3 bar oil pressure hot and the temp gauge sits right at 87 deg on a 20 mile drive at highway speeds. There is no cold pressurization of the cooling system so it appears that there is no compression leakage to the cooling system (A common VW problem.) Thank you in advance for you wisdom. Jim Arnott Union, OR ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Gasoline for the Wal-Mart good/bad debate
Thanks, there should have been a ? at the end of my question, that turned out not to be a question, but really was a question. Harry No, a pig is one of those pipe cleaner deals that squeels like a pig. harry watkins wrote: And that slug of water is called a pig. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FI Pump and OOMPF
Also, if your fuel tank is low and you park nose up on a slope, air will enter the system, BTDT. Harry The external fuel leak is the o-ring seal, doesn't affect anything but fuel milage, and then only if it's quite large. However, to replace the o-rings you must remove the valve holder, and hence must replace the seals as they won't usually seal when re- used. New springs won't hurt anything, and may correct minor timing differences between cylinders if they have gotten short from use. I personally prefer cars that don't drip, although I haven't had many Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Coolant/oil tip from another forum
This was new to me so I thought it might help someone that suspects coolant/oil mix Take an old cast iron pan and put it on your stove, let it get to around 250 300 degrees and drop a few drops of your oil on it...if there is ANY water or anti-freeze in your oil, it will sizzle and pop. If its clean, the oil will just smoke. That's the way we do it where I work(CATERPILLAR), and we build 12 cylinder quad turbo enginesexcept we have a hot plate and an oil spectrology machine to see what and how much of certain elements are in the oil...but that is foolproof. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New addition to the fleet: 1995 Mercedes
I had a friend with suspected metal in his pan and he stuck thin magnets on the outside and forgot about it. I never heard the rest of the story, but there may not have been one. Harry If the only concern was some bearings and debris in the pan, I'd let sleeping dogs lie. Metal stuff resting in the bottom of an oil pan will stay there, unless there is a sudden and severe gravity reversal. I've disassembled lots of engines/trannys/pumps/etc and found wrenches/sockets/dowel pins/cotterpins . They just stay there and wait to be set free at some time in the future. -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Larry The o-rings are what seals the inside from the outside, prevents fuel getting out and air getting in. DV repairs are normally brought on because of that, but it makes sense to replace the copper seals and springs while in the area. Harry - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max - Seems like once I've taken the DVs apart I may as well replace the o-rings. Does it not? Also, the o-rings are the least expensive parts (IIRC) - the springs are over $17 for 5 from Rusty. Hmmm. BTW, Max I rec'd similar training - I was a mechanics apprentice at a VW-Porsche dealer in the late 60s. Had to replace many exhaust studs ;-) LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 12:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems If you have a rough idle and suspect a DV could be contributing, then I'd recommend the springs and the copper washer, but many have only replaced the copper washer and suffered no ill by re-using the springs. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems so what all are you supposed to replace? I need to do them on my 606. I ordered the o rings but that is it, do I need the washers and the springs also? LarryT wrote: I spoke with Rusty yesterday and he does not have the socket for the Injector Valves - I ordered one from Baum Tools for $40+$7 shipping. Hopefully it'll arrive soon. Rusty does have the DV springs and the MB procedure says to replace them (I already have the O-rings and copper washers) - but strangely not the o-rings - only to oil them prior to installation. Also, I looked at the engine last night to see how difficult it will be to torque the delivery valves and while it would be easier if I remove the intake manifold I hope that won't be necessary - it will all depend on the height of the socket with the torque wrench attached. Hopefully I can find a way - I don't really want to RR the intake manifold but will if need be. Thx for all the great info - Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, et al. The socket,(from Rusty I think), that I have is made by Kokon from Japan. P/N 4133. 18mm inside with lots of fine teeth. Call Rusty, he's The Man. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 10:14 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote: One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Thanks Max, sounds like it boils down to a last resort thing. If nothing else cures the problem, maybe a DV upgrade will. I've redone them on two SDLs and a 300TD because they were leaking externally. The last SDL was a learning experience, the wife was at a friends house and it would not start. To make a VERY long story short, it turns out that a low fuel tank level + leaking DVs + sloping driveway equals to air in the fuel system. Harry : Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Larry, I hesitate to tell you this because I may get flamed :). I used the hold down straps in place of the special tool on my last DV job. I had the tool, but like Max said, it would not fit with my torque wrench (TW). I would place two straps on a DV facing away from the engine and position to leave room in the tightening direction. I then used a crowfoot on my TW to do the procedure. CAUTION, make sure the crowfoot come off the TW at 90 degrees so as not to add length to the TW operation. I used a long extension so my TW was above the intake. The shanks of the straps fit an 11/16 crowfoot (IIRC) and with two of them there is enough thickness for the wrench to get a solid grip. You could use the crowfoot straight out from the TW if you can find the formula to adjust for the additional length. Harry, standing by for grape shot in my flame suit, zipped all the way to my chin. - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
I shipped UPS, tie a pair together with cardboard on top and bottom and they are good to go. Harry - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels I found some snow tires mounted on BMW wheels for my car. I currently have 235/60/16 performance tires on my car. I found a set of nearly new Dunlop winter tires mounted. They are 235/55/17. According to an online tire diameter calculator I found that represents a difference of only .26% in diameter. So, I think it will be okay to use these. So, here are my questions: Since the diameter of the tire is nearly identical, I guess that means its not a problem to go up to 17 inch tires. Is that right? Has anybody had tires and wheels shipped? The tires are 28 lbs each. I am guess that the wheels weigh about 10 pounds each. So, that's about 150-160 lbs to ship. They are in Michigan and I am in Kansas. Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this or suggestions for economical shipping. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/98b9e026/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
It was a 603 on a 300 SDL - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Thx Harry - I appreciate you telling your secrets ;-) What engine were you working on? I have a 602-962 Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, I hesitate to tell you this because I may get flamed :). I used the hold down straps in place of the special tool on my last DV job. I had the tool, but like Max said, it would not fit with my torque wrench (TW). I would place two straps on a DV facing away from the engine and position to leave room in the tightening direction. I then used a crowfoot on my TW to do the procedure. CAUTION, make sure the crowfoot come off the TW at 90 degrees so as not to add length to the TW operation. I used a long extension so my TW was above the intake. The shanks of the straps fit an 11/16 crowfoot (IIRC) and with two of them there is enough thickness for the wrench to get a solid grip. You could use the crowfoot straight out from the TW if you can find the formula to adjust for the additional length. Harry, standing by for grape shot in my flame suit, zipped all the way to my chin. - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Moose!
This is not Friday, you can't do moose unless it's Friday. NO MOOSE FOR YOU. Harry Curt Raymond wrote: I don#39;t remember if I mentioned it on here but I#39;ve been moose hunting this week. Today dad shot a small cow moose, 208 pounds which should be very good eating. He used an 1880#39;s vintage Martini Henry rifle 450-577 a 400 grain bullet moving at 1500 fps, the moose never knew what happened... Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Max's new ride?
Max, a combustion gas sniffer is available that will detect gas in the coolant system, (~$40). That may address some of your issues. Harry I still haven't been able to get a look at the car. My window of opportunity yesterday didn't match the owner's, so probably Wed. after work I'm going to take a look. What's the definitive test for coolant leaking from head gasket? If the car is burning coolant that would show up in engine oil analysis, right? If leaking out the side of the block/head joint, should be residue right? Is there an instant test for coolant in oil other than milky color? Can I see enough of the block/head joint or is it buried under stuff. Is there a common failure point of head gasket that I should look at first? Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
