Re: [MBZ] Bilstein vs Monroe shocks on a 80 SD
YES! CAPITALS, double strike, emphasis, italic a third the price of the Bilsteins. Is it really going to matter in a 25 year old car?
[MBZ] Fuel price wackiness
Around here, since last Thursday, gasoline can be had for 2.39. Diesel is 3.19 Diesel went UP last week! $.80 premium over gasoline is NUTS for a lower quality distillate I have been driving the van more It runs on E85 too, but they jacked the price up on E85 so that there is no savings.
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price wackiness
Gasoline is 2.19 Diesel is now 3.49 I thought it was bad at 80 cents backward spread! This is even wackier.
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
BT WRONG! From http://www.scoutconnection.com/ FAQ section: 8. When did International offer a diesel-powered Scout? 1976 was the first year for a diesel-powered Scout. International used the Nissan SD-33 diesel engine for fuel economy. Complaints of not enough power prompted International to replace the SD-33 with the SD-33T (Turbocharged) diesel engine in 1980. The diesel-powered Scouts were very popular with their fuel-saving economy of 20 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. End Quote The Nissan diesel was available for many years. Diesel Scouts are getting rare because of the high repair costs, combined with diesel ignorance. Most of the remaining Diesels have been converted to gas 345 v-8. One of the nice things about IH Scouts and pickups is that any drivetrain option can be converted to any other drivetrain option with factory parts. A 2wd 304 auto pickup can be converted to a 392 4barrel, 4 speed 4wd but unbolting and bolting on the new parts. Unfortunately, the Nissan was detuned for reliability and the turbo was detuned also. They were slow. They are about like driving a 123 240D auto, and are probably even slower than that. The engine can be tuned for more power They are, like a 240D, good dependable engines as stock. As the HP goes up the durability decreases. International's own diesel engines were too heavy for automotive use, so they bought the Nissan diesels to catch the growing popularity of Diesels following the 74 "oil shortage." For more information, the ultimate source is www.scoutconnection.com At 03:19 AM 10/23/2005, you wrote: Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. There were no diesels 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad for the price. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4582983178 Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net __ Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
If you are talking about IH, no. Scouts only came with the NO or the turbo Nissan. This is not the engine used in the maxima At 12:01 PM 10/23/2005, you wrote: Didn't they also use the BMW turbodiesel at some point? Though the Nissan unit would be preferable, still a few of the old Maximas running around with rusty bodies, just waiting to be used engine donors ;-) Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Actually I have seen another example of this truck.The Nissan diesel WAS > a factory option. > > Mike > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:19 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay > > >> Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the >> Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. >> There were no diesels >> >> 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles >> 72 350SL 108,000 Miles >> 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion >> 1999 Mazda Miata >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 >> Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay >> >> >> Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad >> for the price. >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4582983178 >> >> Alex Chamberlain >> '87 300D Turbo >> >> ___ >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >> __ >> Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! >> Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select >> delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool >> Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and >> more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ >> ___ >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >> > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
At 02:50 AM 10/24/2005, you wrote: I get the feeling someone just doesn't understand that International never used a diesel engine in their light trucks. Uh, nobody was talking about the trucks. the subject was scouts, and the Nissan Diesel WAS available in Scouts. There were no Diesel options in the light trucks, because IH killed them BEFORE the 74 "gas Shortage" The 304 and 345 were AMC supplied V8's and were not converted diesels BZZZT! Wrong! 266 and 304 are IH engines. The 345 and the 392 are big block IH engines. The 392 4 barrel is a powerful torquey engine. There was an amc engine used for a year or two in Scouts, when IH couldn't make enough engines, or couldn't meet smog requirements. I think it was a 302? Any AMC fans out there? NO IH gas engine shares a block with Diesels, except maybe in tractors. The v-8 diesels (powerstroke) have a different block The DT-466 series share a block with the tractors. This is known as the German engine, as the series of 6 cyl engines were designed at an IH facility in Germany. 69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles 72 350SL 108,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata -----Original Message- From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:38:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay BT WRONG! >From http://www.scoutconnection.com/ FAQ section: 8. When did International offer a diesel-powered Scout? 1976 was the first year for a diesel-powered Scout. International used the Nissan SD-33 diesel engine for fuel economy. Complaints of not enough power prompted International to replace the SD-33 with the SD-33T (Turbocharged) diesel engine in 1980. The diesel-powered Scouts were very popular with their fuel-saving economy of 20 mpg city and 30 mpg highway. End Quote The Nissan diesel was available for many years. Diesel Scouts are getting rare because of the high repair costs, combined with diesel ignorance. Most of the remaining Diesels have been converted to gas 345 v-8. One of the nice things about IH Scouts and pickups is that any drivetrain option can be converted to any other drivetrain option with factory parts. A 2wd 304 auto pickup can be converted to a 392 4barrel, 4 speed 4wd but unbolting and bolting on the new parts. Unfortunately, the Nissan was detuned for reliability and the turbo was detuned also. They were slow. They are about like driving a 123 240D auto, and are probably even slower than that. The engine can be tuned for more power They are, like a 240D, good dependable engines as stock. As the HP goes up the durability decreases. International's own diesel engines were too heavy for automotive use, so they bought the Nissan diesels to catch the growing popularity of Diesels following the 74 "oil shortage." For more information, the ultimate source is www.scoutconnection.com At 03:19 AM 10/23/2005, you wrote: >Don't believe that engine was originally installed, almost all of the >Internationals I have seen either came with a 4, inline 6 or a small V8. >There were no diesels > >69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles >72 350SL 108,000 Miles >2004 VW Passat 4 Motion >1999 Mazda Miata > > >-Original Message- >From: Alex Chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 18:06:00 -0700 >Subject: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay > > >Heard of these but never seen one for sale before. Doesn't look bad >for the price. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4582983178 > >Alex Chamberlain >'87 300D Turbo > >___ >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >__ >Look What The New Netscape.com Can Do! >Now you can preview dozens of stories and have the ones you select >delivered to you without ever leaving the Top Home Page. And the new Tool >Box gives you one click access to local Movie times, Maps, White Pages and >more. See for yourself at http://netcenter.netscape.com/netcenter/ >___ >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] T
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
Only the medium duties were available with Diesel. 1700 and up for sure, but the diesel may have been available in the 1600 (2 ton) Nobody ordered a 1600 with diesel if it was available. Diesels were common in 1800 and higher. 1/2 ton through 1 1/2 ton only had gas engines available. At 08:51 AM 10/24/2005, you wrote: The big trucks could be had (I think only in 1ton or above) with an IH or Detroit diesel I believe.
Re: [MBZ] International Scout w/ factory Nissan diesel on Ebay
True. I forgot about the 2wd independent front pickups/travellalls. I never really dealt with them. At 09:07 AM 10/24/2005, you wrote: Actually, though this is true for most cases, some WERE a bit more difficult than others. All of the straight axle IH's are a pretty easy conversion to any other straight axle, and any 2WD can be bolted out to a 4WD quite easily, relatively speaking. However, IH had some IFS trucks as well, and these, though the engine and tranny can get in there quite easily, converting the front end is tougher.
Re: [MBZ] Quick Question
Buy a pump from Rusty. Anything else is wasting time and money. In HI, because i usually only drove no more than the 40 miles into Hilo, I tried to get by without replacing a pump that was leaking a little. It seized halfway to Kona on a Sat. I had to let the car sit until I could order a pump on Mon and then it had to be shipped in. I was without wheels for about a week. It is not worth it, buy a new pump from Rusty NOW! At 05:59 PM 10/25/2005, you wrote: Thanks Marshall and Tom. The reason I ask is that I have reason to believe that my waterpump seal is blown (coolant coming out the weep hole at the pump top), and in my slow process of repair, I've removed the fan only. I just wanted to know if I ran into trouble with the rest of the repair and couldn't reassemble everything, if I could drive it to my indie instead of having it towed. On that note, replace just the seal or the whole water pump? What does a pump cost? I'm going to change all my accessory belts while I'm at it since they're quite worn. Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 10/24/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TimothyPilgrim wrote: > > How long will my wagon run WITHOUT the main cooling fan before an > > irreversible problem develops? > > > > Until the thermostat opens or a while afterwords? > > > > Tim > > 1982 300TD Moby > > The fan shouldn't come on until the coolant temp reaches close to 100 > deg C. Don't load the engine down and there should be NO problem at all > (if all the rest of the car and cooling system are working as they > should be). > > Marshall > -- > Marshall Booth Ph.D. > Ass't Prof. (ret.) > Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine > Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST > Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Quick Question
If its leaking, the pump bearings are on their way out. that is why I said not to risk the pump seizing. If you can't buy from Rusty, then find an alternate source or go to a stealership. At 06:52 PM 10/25/2005, you wrote: Thanks Mitch and Loren. The short answer is that No, Rusty does not ship to Canada. I think it was due to past problems. Therefore, I won't be buying anything from him - I'll have to go to the dealer. Mitch, what are you describing regarding the rear bearing? The rear crank bearing or the rear pump bearing? Tim 1982 300TD Moby On 10/25/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > TimothyPilgrim wrote: > > > > On that note, replace just the seal or the whole water pump? > > My first thought is that the rear bearing has been running in > antifreeze. > > > What does a pump cost? I'm going to change all my accessory belts while I'm at > > it since they're quite worn. > > Rusty wants US76.29 for a Laso and US44.67 for a Geba. According to the pics, both > have real cast turbine impellers, not stamped sheet metal fins. Does he ship to > Canada? > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"
Ja, but the definition of Diesel is compression ignition. So, an argument can be made both ways. Since it is a honda, I say WHO CARES? Diesel engines can run on whale oil, but they are not called whale engines if so, or soy engines if run on soy oil. At 08:09 PM 10/25/2005, you wrote: Well from what I can see it is to do with the name of the fuel that is used in a particular engine. It would be confusing to call the HCCI engines diesels because people would assume that they run on diesel. "Now listen carefully dear, even though this new car has an engine called a diesel in it, it actually runs on petrol/gas. So please don't get mixed up when you fill it up." Hendrik - Original Message - From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 4:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel" In reading about HCCI, it annoys me that they say it is 'like a diesel' or 'like it's diesel cousin'...I guess this bugs me b/c I have read about Diesel himself and see how he envisaged the engine. Any compression ignition engine is a diesel...obvisouly HCCI is the most different out there, esp since it seems that the current ones still have spark plugs to kick in at the higher and lower revs to even things out, making it a hybrid diesel. But if an HCCI engine were to be produced that had no spark plugs, it would simply be a diesel - just optimized to use a different fuel, just like Dr. Diesel himself modified engines to run off thick Baku oil (and was awarded a medal by the Czar of Russia for doing so). It's probably all marketing, want to sidestep the idea of dirty soot belching, glow plugging diesels. But it's still a diesel. It just irks me a tad. Rudy could care less what it's called, from what I can tell of his life, he would be happy to see this, but would not like the over-complicatedness of it as it makes it less practical (impossible) for an owner to work on. He was very big on empowering (pun intended) the little guy...the simpler the better. 70 mpg is nice though... Done rambling. Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.) -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/143 - Release Date: 19/10/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Why are the "newer" (96-99) benzes prone to rust?
Yay for the green weenies. The ones in Germany should drive their trabbies and leave MB to build the good cars that pay the taxes and allow them to freeload. It is my understanding that the German government's drive in the early/mid '90s to set requirements eventually requiring recycling 100% of a car without provision for extended testing and the fact that the manufacturer had to bear all recycling costs, caused Mercedes to drastically alter MANY process that had been developed and proved to be effective over the years. Some of the changes (the biodegradable wiring harness, alteration of metal preparation, the composition of some plastics and painting processes) caused serious problems that did not become evident during the brief testing period before the legislation became effective, but only after the cars had been in the REAL world for 5-10 years. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price wackiness
Drove a truck to Mizery on friday. Diesel was 2.99 going in, and 2.79 at the same station on the way out! Gas was about 2.20 ther, but was 2.08 in Ames on Friday. I drove the can this week, and left the SDL sit (sniff) At least things are finally going in the right direction. We still have a buck a gallon to go to get to sanity street.
Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis
You speak for me. And, this is a repeat offender. I have never used a block list, but I am tempted. Loren (too many MBs to list 59-87) At 11:19 AM 10/28/2005, you wrote: this Mercedes ownership journey we're on is a fellowship. Perhaps Luther feels that when you offend someone else in the fellowship, you offend him? (Not trying to put words in your mouth Luther.)
Re: [MBZ] Gump muffler
It is officially a "resonator" As near as I can tell, the theory is to lower the sound level without adding any back pressure. I have had Dissels with and without, and although it is a minimal difference, I prefer with. I also prefer a nice quiet sound of a BMW motorcycle go by than a no muffler harley. Let the value of the car, the distances you drive, and your desire to be heard guide your decision. Loren At 11:44 AM 10/28/2005, you wrote: Since it may not be needed, what exactly does the front muffler do? On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 09:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Clay, > The front muffler isn't totally necessary and there will only be a > small difference in the noise level > Its usually just a matter of preference and of course a few extra > bucks for the center muffler if you choose to put a new one on. It > will fine without it > > -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Self-destructing wiring harnesses
Would someone remind me what years were the self-destructing wiring harnesses? I didn't commit it to memory because I have no intention of buying an MB newer than 87, at least for the forseeable future. I ran across a guy who was looking at an E300D in chicago, and I want to warn him about the wiring harnesses. It has been recently established that 96-99 have paint issues. Loren 87 TD 87 SDL 86 SDL and more
Re: [MBZ] Fast Glow Plugs
"Fast is relative. The series glow plugs were 30-60 seconds to heat. The
early pencil type were "faster" maybe 20-40 seconds. The newer type
pencil is faster yet, maybe 5-10 seconds.
The pencil type replacements for the series plugs (large diameter) were the
medium range "fast." There may now be 10 second replacements available,
but I have not seen them.I use the medium range, large diameter plugs
in the OM 621 200Ds.
For those who have the early (fast but not fastest) pencil type, such as my
83 Quantum and the 81 240D, the OE plugs can be replaced with the 10 second
plugs. I have done this in VW and MB. I never bought the "fast" GP relay
and have seen no problems.
One 200D glows in 5-10 seconds, but it has an 81 240D engine, with the
(fastest) plugs.
Hope that helps explain the confusion.
Loren
Lotsa Dissels
At 10:08 AM 10/31/2005, you wrote:
you asked:<>>
The original GPs are wires in *series* - hot lead goes to #4 GP from the
main fuse on the firewall - then thru the GP to #3, thru #3 to #2 and finaly
thru #2 to #1 where a ground wire is attached. A failure in one GP will
result in weaker current to the downstream GPs.
The Fast Glow plugs are wired *parallel* - - where a hot lead comes from
the main fuse on the firewall, and attaches to the #4 GP and then the hot
leads are wires together to electricity goes to all 4 GPs equally - and are
not afected the same if one GP fails.
This allows all 4 GPs to heat up dramatically more quickly that before - the
chart in the workshop manual shows the GPs reaching 1800F in less than 20
seconds.
With the Fast Glow Plug kit you'll get dramatically quicker starts in much
colder weather - and sometimes solve "hard to start" problems that some
shops can spend a fortune of *your* money looking for solutions to - when an
$85 kit will fix it. . I've heard of 2 different people being sold head
jobs when fast glow plugs have fixed their problems -
If I've explained this incorrectly, please help me out - electrical stuff is
my weakest area -- I always have trouble remembering which is series and
which is parallel.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
Re: [MBZ] Seat upgrades? (OT)
Back in the day, I had a 66 Bronco U110, the factory ragtop. The seat was terrible. I got a couple of volvo seats and turned a heap you could not stand to sit in for more than 30 minutes into a comfortable truck. Other than repairs, I have never tried to mess with MB seats, although i agree that they are not as comfortable as volvo seats, or Audi 4000/Quantum seats. I have seen pictures of recaro seats put in MBs, and i am sure I have seen some in person, but not sat in, or driven an MB with them. It seemed to be mostly an LA thing. MB Diesel content:(I always wanted to put a MB diesel in the Bronco, but never did.) I did take out the 170 and put in a 289, and that was MAJOR surgery. Frame, body, and other cutting and welding. Loren At 12:20 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote: Gabriel writes: > The guy I bought my car from also replaced his Mercedes with a > Lexus saying > that the seats offered better lumbar support for his wife with a > bad back. I've always enjoyed pretty well designed ergonomic seats in Volvos and Audis. Two of my Audis had relatively comfortable Recaro designed/made sport seats, and it's the seats (and the 3 spoke sport steering wheel) that I missed from my S6 wagon. My mechanic's wife drove an '89 300E for a number of years, and he had the seats restuffed to help ease his back issues. So, here's the question - has anyone tried retrofitting other seats into a W124? Perhaps later model MB sport seats? Audi sport seats? The Audi and MB share seat control buttons; I wonder if there's *any* chance that the mounting hardware is compatible. There's a pair of CLK sport seats on ebay now, for reasonable money...course I'd have to find a matching black leather back seat... If I pursue this, I'll also have to figure out how to wire the seat heaters... Thoughts? Any BTDTs? Lee '93 300 2.5L td 175K ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] In Rust We Trust: Men and Boys and the Wealth of their Toys
Here! Here! Amen! A link to the granddaddy of them all: www.oldthreshers.org A place to see generations of innovation in action. Gasoline, diesel, steam, horsepower, railroads, trolleys, dancing and more At 05:06 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote: Some small part of this might annoy those of the bluer tint, but ignore that part and enjoy the rest of the story. http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/JennniferRobackMorse/2005/10/31/173445.html --R ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Fuel price wackiness
Mizzurah At 08:17 PM 10/31/2005, you wrote: On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:17:04 -0800 (PST) Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mizery? That would be "mazurah", thank you! :-) Or for the non-locals, that would be ... ? Craig ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Diesel in the news again - finally!
Thank you for including the quote. Otherwise i wont look at anything from the arrogant times. At 09:03 PM 11/1/2005, you wrote: Fuel economy story in the NYT -- -- Mileage will be better if you choose a smaller, four-cylinder engine rather than the more powerful, heavier and thirstier V-6 or V-8 version. And the savings may be even greater if you choose a diesel engine. "Chemically, diesel fuel contains 10 percent more energy and diesel engines are 30 percent more efficient than regular gas engines," said David Greene, a fellow at the National Transportation Research Center, which is affiliated with the Department of Energy and based in Oak Ridge, Tenn. So even if diesel prices spike during the winter or when hurricanes shut down refineries, you are likely to come out ahead. The latest diesel engines, like the ones in the Volkswagen Golf TDI and Jetta TDI, don't clatter or spew smoke the way diesel engines did in years past. (New diesel-powered cars are not available in some states, including New York and California, because of emissions regulations.) http://tinyurl.com/cym3b OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Diesel in the news again - finally!
You have to consider the source. Airheads, (and not aircooled BMW motorcycles) it is a waste of time to read 99% of what they print (and waste trees for) At 09:32 PM 11/1/2005, you wrote: "Clatter and spew smoke"?? They had better not be talking about our cars!
Re: [MBZ] Name changes?
Maybe someone already asked this Was Dan Akroyd a descendant of our namesake? No wonder Diesels are regarded as funny. At 03:05 PM 11/2/2005, you wrote: <> So this means that all you people are going to have to refer to your 240Akroyds from now on. Lessee, now. 240A 300SAL 300SA Common-rail Akroyd OOOhhh, the culture shock. RLE ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Akroyd-Stuart: The difference
Sounds like the Page oil engine. At 05:26 PM 11/2/2005, you wrote: "Stuart's design was simple, reliable and economical. The engine utilized a combustion chamber, or "vaporizer," separated from the main part of the cylinder by a narrow passageway. Vaporization of the fuel is accomplished by the injection of liquid fuel onto the hot inner surface of the vaporizer. The surface is sufficiently hot to cause ignition of the mixture of fuel and air when compression is completed. The heat of combustion is enough to maintain the high temperature of the vaporizer surface. To start, the vaporizer is heated by a separate lamp. After five to ten minutes, oil is injected onto the hot vaporizer surface, where it quickly gassifies, and the engine is rotated by hand in the standard fashion." http://engines.rustyiron.com/hornsby/ OK, so he was injecting liquid oil, BUT liquid oil would never burn in the Akroyd-Stuart...it was not being atomized (as in a diesel), but VAPORIZED. The plate did not need to be heated externally after combustion began. It reminds me of indirect injection, but the difference is in what happens in the "pre-chamber"...vaporization or atomization. Note that it claims the Vaporization plate is connected to the cylinder by a narrow passageway - just like a pre-chamber. Looking at the diagram on the link above clearly shows the difference though. This further defines (for me anyway), what EXACTLY a diesel is. Chris (not owner of a 240A, 300SA, 300TA) Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1987 300TD, 150K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood) -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this at home!) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 124 parts needed Deer vs Benz battle to a 27-49 end
Deer: 27 points: Rolled to roadside, now Dead Benz: 49 points, limped home: will never die After all these years of driving through some of the worst Bambi infestations, one finally had the guts to engage. It was a dark and rainy night. Arleen was driving back, when suddenly Bambi made a desperate attempt to dash across before the beloved 124 TD. The state has been blasting out ads to "ruin your car, don't swerve" in an attempt to lower the population they refuse to let people shoot, except in limited circumstances. Unfortunately, she believed the ads, and messed up the car. Anyone have, or know of 124 parts? Hood, Grille, Left fender, radiator, evaporator, left headlight assy., right headlight door, brackets, clips, and maybe more. kleb? I may need to take a trip to Okieland after all Loren 87 TD, wounded in battle SDLs Ds
[MBZ] 124 TD valuation
If anyone can email me recent sale info (or links) regarding high-dollar 87 TDs, I would appreciate it very much. I am sure the ins company will have some ridiculously low value for the car. I don't suppose i could be lucky enough to have them shut up and fix the car. Loren 87 TD SDLs Ds
Re: [MBZ] IP "oel" cap (red) on '76 240D W115
If your pump does NOT have a red "oel" filler cap, it is lubed by the engine oil. I can't remember the changeover year, but by 82, you have an engine oil system. At 06:39 AM 11/7/2005, you wrote: Marshall wrote: "later injection pumps are tied to and lubricated by the engine lubrication system" I wonder when that happened and if need to worry about checking the oil level in my IP ? Dan Elliott 82 300D-T 87kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Oil Sucker Fiasco
I use a 3 foot length of 1/4 inch OD copper tubing, shoved into 1/4 ID PP hose. I like the solid thunk when the copper hits the bottom of the pan. It is a little harder to shove down the dipstick, but it does the job nicely. Neither has collapsed, and I vacuum out HOT oil. At 06:24 PM 11/5/2005, you wrote: I use that rigid poly tubing, seems to hold up fairly well with "warm" oil (I have not tried it with HOT, duh!!!). But hey, it accomplished the task, right? --R B Dike wrote: >Hot oil causes drain line to collapse. Shop Vac hose >collapses. Oil sprays into ShopVac canister. Oil in >shop vac hose leaks all over garage floor afterward. > >BUT > >Not a single solitary drop of oil remains in oil sump. >Around here we call this success. > >Cheers, > >Bruce > >Bruce >82 300CD 334kmi 'His' >85 300CD 236kmi 'Hers' >75 240D 194kmi 'Donner' >77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen' > > > > >__ >Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >http://mail.yahoo.com > >___ >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 124 parts needed Deer vs Benz battle to a 27-49 end
Your empire you can see from your window isn't big enough! You need more, More, MORE At 08:19 AM 11/7/2005, you wrote: dont have any 124 parts
[MBZ] EPC help needed: 124
Can anyone tell me what years and models could be used to donate front fender, hood, lights, radiator and AC condenser for a 124 300TD, 1987? I think I may be able to buy a 124 gasser and use the parts i need for less than the cost of junkyard parts. Plus, there don't seem to be many available in junkyards. Is there anything specific to the TD or the D that might prevent this option? Loren Faeth 1987 300TD SDLs Ds
Re: [MBZ] Retread - was: Pulling to one side
Based in Lil ol Muscatine, Awa (jus nawth o Mizery) BTW, the founder, Roy Carver, was reputed to have ordered a 280 SE or SEL from the factory with a manual trans. I always wondered what happened to that car. (about 68-69) At 12:15 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: A friend of mine did an internship at Bandag Retreads. He said they're a huge operation -- more market penetration than most of the new tire manufacturers. Apparently they rented the entire Universal Studios theme park for their company picnic, one year. This is big business.
Re: [MBZ] ot, converting from FAT32 to NTFS
Yep, the utility is convert At 09:56 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: Is there some utility out there somewhere that can convert fat32 drive to ntfs? I know XP will do it on a new install but I already have it installed and need to convert my drive over. Any ideas? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] ot, converting from FAT32 to NTFS
Here is the syntax: To convert a FAT partition to NTFS, follow these steps: 1. Click Start, click Run, type cmd, and then click OK. 2. At the command prompt, type CONVERT driveletter: /FS:NTFS. convert C: /FS:NTFS is the syntax to convert the c drive. 3. Convert.exe attempts to convert the partition to NTFS. While Convert is running, you WILL receive the following error message if you are converting the partition with the active OS: Convert cannot gain exclusive access to the driveletter:, so it cannot convert it now. Would you like to schedule it to be converted the next time the system restarts (Y/N)? (Type Y) You receive this error message under any of the following three conditions: If you run the CONVERT command while the current directory is on the drive that is to be converted (for example, if you type CONVERT F: /FS:NTFS at the F:\> prompt). To resolve this, either click Yes in the error message and then restart the computer, or change to a directory on another drive and retype the command. At 09:56 PM 11/7/2005, you wrote: Is there some utility out there somewhere that can convert fat32 drive to ntfs? I know XP will do it on a new install but I already have it installed and need to convert my drive over. Any ideas? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 190E
Absolutely! I used to have a rusty 190Dc I drove in the winter and then i drove the nice 200D the rest of the year. On those cars, the VIN was held on with two screws, So i would simply move the VIN plate and the license plates from one to the other! Anyone who knew anything would have known the frame numbers didn't match, but it was good enough to fool troopers and insurance adjusters. Now I keep the 240D as a winter/spare car. It doesn't cost much to keep, and it isn't worth much on the market. But with the new engine, it starts and runs like a new one. If only it had a 4 spd or better yet, the coveted 5 spd. At 06:36 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: Cool. That's what I'll tell the wife is why I have to keep the 240D - it's the winter beater!
Re: [MBZ] Trip report - first drive, Raleigh to Boston
I'll give ya $500 for it! FWIW, my 86 SDL has always been more sensitive to crosswinds than my 200D ever was, and more so than the 123 240D. The most stable car i ever drove was the 200D. I could literally take my hands off the wheel and it would go straight as an arrow. The SDL has been aligned numerous times by different shops. It is something different in the geometry. At 07:21 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: I find the ride of my new-to-me '90 300D 2.5 to be much stiffer than the 300SDL. Maybe it has Bilstein performance shocks? It's also much more sensitive to cross winds. Perhaps even a bit "jumpy" - kind of like my MGA was with a dead neutral alignment. It isn't as directionally stable as the SDL. A function of the shorter wheelbase - nah, it's a lot longer than the MGA was.
Re: [MBZ] EPC help needed: 124
Yes, I had garnered from Rusty's website that the radiator is different. As far as I can tell, everything else is the same. I have my eye on a 124 diesel that is probably worth the price of the radiator more to me than a 300E. Some of the 300Es are quite cheap, and might make a good source for parts. At 08:12 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: > Can anyone tell me what years and models could be used to donate front > fender, hood, lights, radiator and AC condenser for a 124 300TD, 1987? > > I think I may be able to buy a 124 gasser and use the parts i need for less > than the cost of junkyard parts. Plus, there don't seem to be many > available in junkyards. > > Is there anything specific to the TD or the D that might prevent this option? At least the radiator IS different! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Trip report - first drive, Raleigh to Boston
On the SDL: Rebuilt the rear subframe/mounts control arms last year. Diff mount looks ok, but I didn't change it. Put new bushings in the idler arm recently. I think that helps but have not driven it enough yet to be sure. Loren 87 TD 86 SDL 87 SDL 81 240D 83 380SL 66 200D 66 200D 2.4 and others At 08:10 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: > I'll give ya $500 for it! > > FWIW, my 86 SDL has always been more sensitive to crosswinds than my 200D > ever was, and more so than the 123 240D. The most stable car i ever drove > was the 200D. I could literally take my hands off the wheel and it would > go straight as an arrow. The SDL has been aligned numerous times by > different shops. It is something different in the geometry. Needs new differential and subframe mounts. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT 9cyl radial diesel aircraft engine
At the EAA Oshkosh fly-in in 1988, there was a German manufacturer displaying radial Diesel engines. As with most German engineering, they were works of art. At 09:25 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: A radial diesel aircraft engine, probably the same design, used to be on display at the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn, Michigan. I think they may have moved it into storage when they reorganized their aircraft exhibits, though. As fuel prices get higher, there's been a resurgence in interest in diesel aircraft engines in the last few years. This is especially true in Europe, for obvious reasons. There are now a few options for diesels in light aircraft, some purpose-built and some conversions of automotive engines. I believe there's one company making one based on a VW TDI, and another making one based on a Mercedes common-rail engine. (In spite of the old joke that water-cooling an aircraft engine makes about as much sense as air-cooling one in a submarine, there are some distinct advantages to water cooling, especially for diesels.) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Cartridge starters
Wilton, Do you know about the 40s vintage cartridge starters? The cartridges in the book "Flight of the Phoenix" were described as a blank shotgun shell. I am guessing that for a 40's vintage radial engine the requirements were less than the requirement for starting 8 jet engines. Regarding the B-52, after your post, I found this: During the same period, a long-standing SAC requirement, only endorsed for the B-52Hs, was finally extended to all B-52s. Started in January 1963 and completed in March of the following year, this retrofit project put 2 cartridge starters in every B-52. The installation of cartridge starters was not simple. The aircraft's electrical system had to be modified to accommodate the new starters and new valves. In addition, duct covers had to be redesigned and nickel cadmium batteries had to be added. The modification was expensive, which accounted for SAC's difficulties in getting it approved for the entire B-52 force, but it was important. Besides giving crews the means to start their engines faster, it would allow dispersed or post-strike B-52s to take off from airfields lacking certain ground support equipment, electrical power carts in particular. http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/b-52h.htm At 10:19 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: About 25 yrs ago, all 8 engines on B-52's were retrofitted with cartridge starters for alert starts. Cartridge is like a gallon paint can full of solid rocket fuel; spins starter at ~ 45k rpm. All 8 engines can be started at same time in < a minute by hitting one switch; also makes lots of smoke. Can also start one at a time, of course. In lieu of cartridge, comp. air is used; after one engine is running, air from it can start others. Wilton ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT 9 cyl diesel aircraft eng
It's been a LNG time since i read the book, but I believe it was described as a canadian manufacture aircraft. My memory is pretty fuzzy about that. At 10:33 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: 'Don't think the Phoenix aircraft was a 119. 'Had twin booms like 119, but I think it was Canuk or Euro aircraft. Wilton ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Cartridge starters
Gabe, Wilton knows what he is talking about. Don't question his knowledge. Starting 8 turbojets takes A LOT. If you read my previous post, I quoted a source that verifies what Wilton said, and elaborates on it. In fact, each aircraft was fitted with 2 cartridge starters. Loren At 11:11 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: Are you sure that those aren't booster rockets you are talking about? A gallon size tin of rocket propellant is alot! On 11/8/05, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > About 25 yrs ago, all 8 engines on B-52's were retrofitted with cartridge > starters for alert starts. Cartridge is like a gallon paint can full of > solid rocket fuel; spins starter at ~ 45k rpm. All 8 engines can be > started > at same time in < a minute by hitting one switch; also makes lots of > smoke. > Can also start one at a time, of course. In lieu of cartridge, comp. air > is > used; after one engine is running, air from it can start others. > > Wilton > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT Cartridge starters
Wilton, LtCol, USAF, Ret. 5000 hrs in B-52D, E, F, G, H That, Sir, is why I told you that Wilton knows what he is talking about! At 11:37 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: >Wilton knows what he is talking about. Don't question his knowledge.< Oh well excuse me for asking! On 11/8/05, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gabe, > > Wilton knows what he is talking about. Don't question his > knowledge. Starting 8 turbojets takes A LOT. If you read my previous > post, I quoted a source that verifies what Wilton said, and elaborates on > it. In fact, each aircraft was fitted with 2 cartridge starters. > > Loren > > At 11:11 PM 11/8/2005, you wrote: > >Are you sure that those aren't booster rockets you are talking about? A > >gallon size tin of rocket propellant is alot! > > > >On 11/8/05, wilton strickland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > About 25 yrs ago, all 8 engines on B-52's were retrofitted with > cartridge > > > starters for alert starts. Cartridge is like a gallon paint can full > of > > > solid rocket fuel; spins starter at ~ 45k rpm. All 8 engines can be > > > started > > > at same time in < a minute by hitting one switch; also makes lots of > > > smoke. > > > Can also start one at a time, of course. In lieu of cartridge, comp. > air > > > is > > > used; after one engine is running, air from it can start others. > > > > > > Wilton > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > > > > > > > >-- > >Gabriel Soto > >Southern California > >1987 300D 230K=- > >___ > >For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT cartridge starters
Thank you, Sir. Obviously the info I found was outdated then. I was actually looking for info on the cartridge starter for recip engines when i came across the info about B-52s. I did not take your reference to the B-52s to imply the B-52 cartridges were the same as the shotgun type used on recip engines. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us "youngsters." Loren At 10:08 AM 11/9/2005, you wrote: Yes, from early sixties B-52's had just 2 eng with cartridge start, but in late 70's all eng got cartridges. Didn't mean to imply that these are same as little ones used on recip eng, merely describing what B-52 uses now. Wilton
Re: [MBZ] OT 9cyl diesel aircraft eng
Wright-Patterson AF Museum C-82: http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/outdoor/od27.htm At 10:23 AM 11/9/2005, you wrote: Phoenix a C-82. Thnx, Walt. Wasn't that Canuk? Wilton ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] OT 9cyl diesel aircraft eng
I had only a couple of hours there on a cold snowy January day, and I loved the Wright-Pat AF Museum. The thing that struck me the most was the contrast between the Daimler Benz v-12 from an ME 109 and a period US radial aircraft engine form the US. In comparison, the DB engine was a work of art. The US radials were functional and reliable, but just not as finely finished. At 02:13 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: rumor has it that David wrote: > Loren Faeth wrote: > > Wright-Patterson AF Museum C-82: > > > > http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/outdoor/od27.htm > > > > I love that museum. I bet I could spend two solid days there and never > be bored. Took my family there a couple years ago. The price is right (free!) and the 1/2 day that we had was not enough for any of us! _Great_ place!! Philip, fascinated with machinery ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1991 350SDL
Way overpriced! The stealership here is one of the most arrogant and onerous (overpriced) in the country. They had a 91 rodbender 5-6 years ago for 12995, and i'd bet it was every bit as good as this one. Since then SDLs have lost 50-75% in value. If it is truly cherry AND has documentation to show a factory crate (non-rodbender) engine, it still isn't worth much more than 8 IMHO But then again, a fair price is whatever the buyer and seller agree on. Loren SDL x2 At 05:20 PM 11/9/2005, you wrote: yes, its tried and true, and timetested beyond a doubt to bend rods. Sunil Hari wrote: > "One of the most tried and true motors built by Mercedes-Benz." > > http://columbus.craigslist.org/car/109969456.html > > -- > Sunil Hari > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 513-205-7474 > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300D timing chain replacement
I've always done the chain solo. I like to tie or vicegrip the chain to
the cam sprocket before breaking a link. I also tie a small wire to each
side of the chain before i break it. I have learned to stuff rags in the
chaincase cavity in case you DO drop something. (Need to pull the rags out
before you actually roll in the new chain.) I once dropped the center link
down a OM621. It wedged between the teeth of the crank sprocket. I ended
up having to take the engine out and flip it over and pull the pan. Ruined
my day! That was probably about the 5th chain i replaced, and i got
sloppy. Never hurry or get sloppy messing with the chain.
Many years ago i acquired a medical locking forceps that has relief behind
the jaws. I can lock it on one side of the chain, then if i drop it, the
forceps keeps it from going too far, and gives me a handle to pick it up
with. We have far more IT geeks on this list than medicos, so a tool like
this is probably not available to most of us.
Pull the plugs or injectors to get the engine to turn freely. On the 621,
615-617 I might pull the cam followers also, so the cam doesn't jump, but
this is not necessary if you are careful. If my memory is correct, the cam
jumping was what caused me to loose the piece of link into the guts of the
621. (this is a good time to get the nozzles tested!) Generally, if it
needs a chain, it needs nozzles. ~300k for OM 60x id guess. I did this to
my 603 at 300K
I still prefer the repair link to the riveted link. As long as you put it
together right they never come off. You have to get the spring keeper in
just right, and check it.
I really like the bungie cord trick! Learned something new!
Loren
Changed lotsa 621 chains
one 616 chain
one 603 chain
At 09:34 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote:
before doing this because of mileage you should check it for stetch - put
the crank on TDC, remove the cam cover and check the cam washer - it has a V
cut into it that should align with the mark on the cam tower - it'll be off
some if stretched - the amount is measured in degrees - I believe over 5 d
indicates need for change.
As preventive maintanence you might consider changing the tensioner also --
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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- Original Message -
From: "Fmiser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D timing chain replacement
> rumor has it that Tom wrote:
>
>> Contemplaing doing timing chain overdue at 270K miles. I have been doing
>> some research. It appears a chain buddy;, ie standby helper is required.
>> Can this job be done totally solo? I have not met any of my neighbors or
>> friends/wifes/kids or enemies who gives a rats a-- for my 77 300D or
>> would
>> be worthy or interested in helping.
>>
>> Any thoughts please. Can it be done solo? Thanks
>> Regards Tom Scordato, Bellefonte PA
>
> I did it solo - about 5 times.
>
> The chain that came out of the box was too short. (!!!???!!??)
>
> So I was _sure_ I did something wrong.
>
> New chain in/old chain out; old in/new out; new in/old out, dropped end
> down inside. *sigh*
>
> Recovered chain end, installed old chain, removed injector pump,
> replaced oil pan, ordered a _correct_ chain from Rusty.
>
> Then - newer chain in/old chain out.
>
> Piece of cake!
>
> Just be sure you have the right size replacement chain (136 links),
> and never drop it down inside!!
>
> I did make a handy device to help me guide the new chain in, the old
> chain out, and keep both of them in firm contact with the cam gear -
> with one hand. The other hand could then work the rachet on the power
> steering pump nut to turn the engine.
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> I've attached a photo. Sorry, archive...
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>Philip,
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Re: [MBZ] oh boy
Looks like a good parts car for Kleb. He needs a FL vacation. (2 days) It's in his price range! Besides, he could keep it a year and use it for a Halloween car. At 11:43 AM 11/10/2005, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/81-mercedes-300SD-diesel-no-reserve_W0QQitemZ8013806766QQcategoryZ6783QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] basic question about Allen wrenches
For 5, 6, 8mm and sometimes 10mm I use Baldus Balldriver wrenches. I also keep 6, 8, 10, and now 12mm allen sockets with each toolkit. I own one of the star wrenches for OM60x headbolts. I had one 603 intake manifold that was bolted on so tight it would not budge. I bought a 6"long 6mm socket from Snappy for that one. The short allen sockets don't fit in all the manifold bolts. I figured if I broke it, the next was paid for. I cut off an old tierod and shove the 8mm allen L wrtench in the cut off end of it for the 603 fan bolt. The 12 mm is needed for the OM 60x belt idler bolt. For the diff/trans I use a 14 mm L wrench. A socket would be nice, but I never bought one. Loren At 02:17 PM 11/10/2005, you wrote: To drain my differential I purchased large Allen wrench fittings that I use with my socket set. They do not look like the typical "L" shaped Allen wrenches. I am thinking that it would be a good idea to get a complete set of these to work with the car as the "L" type tools seem to flex so much and I worry about being able to apply a lot of force to them. As an example I am still intending to swap out my motor mounts but worry that I will just break the "L" type Allen wrench off. What do you guys say ? Thanks in advance, Dan Elliott 82 300D-T 87kmi Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Leaky Glow Plug or Oil Pressure Sensor?
Buy a yard of the fuel return line from Rusty and replace all the return hose. That is the most likely source of the leak. Loren At 03:26 PM 11/10/2005, you wrote: Hello folks, I'm getting what appears to be engine oil but smells like diesel around the area of my front most glow plug directly next to the oil sensor. It appears to be coming from the glow plug, but I am not sure. Could be oil from the larger sensor next to the GP. Should I try to retorque the glow plug, or replace it? Do I need special tool to tighten GP? Anyone had this? John Peterson 1991 300D 2.5 74k miles Kingston RI ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 6.9 anyone?
I had a very good friend in the LA area who recently passed away at a young age. (someone found him dead by his bicycle) He had a nice 6.9. It was dyno tuned to meet CA smog with no additional junk added. Cosmetically it is not a show car, but unrestored original. The air suspension is all working. If anyone is interested in a 6.9 I will inquire about its disposition. Loren lfaeth at leadingchange com
Re: [MBZ] 6.9 anyone?
LA area I recall it being pale yellow or beige. At 05:50 PM 11/10/2005, you wrote: Loren, where is the car located and what color is it? Thanks On 11/10/05, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had a very good friend in the LA area who recently passed away at a young > age. (someone found him dead by his bicycle) He had a nice 6.9. It was > dyno tuned to meet CA smog with no additional junk added. Cosmetically it > is not a show car, but unrestored original. The air suspension is all > working. If anyone is interested in a 6.9 I will inquire about its > disposition. > > Loren > lfaeth at leadingchange com > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K "Stardust" 1985 380SL 145K "Blue Belle" ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] write your own caption
So what if it IS 25 years old! I never promised you a NEW Mercedes. At 07:26 PM 11/14/2005, you wrote: http://tinyurl.com/9bccd _ L. Mark Finch Indianapolis 1982 300D Turbodiesel ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] write your own caption
Diesel doesn't stink! Gasoline stinks! At 07:26 PM 11/14/2005, you wrote: http://tinyurl.com/9bccd _ L. Mark Finch Indianapolis 1982 300D Turbodiesel ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] cycling hot/cold in 90's w124 300TDt
This is why i still like the heater system in the 110/111/112/108/109 cars. Simple, reliable, fixable. A/C usually left something to be desired though. Only bad part of the heating system was when you needed to replace the hose between the valves and the cores ~10 years or so. I'd take that over changing a 124 evap any day. At 03:17 AM 11/15/2005, you wrote: Ok,this morning as temps drop to freezing the drive into town with the teenager became interesting since on the left side of the wagon it vented fresh outside freezing air, on the right side, hotish air. Turning the dial on left to almost max made it a bit warmer, click to high and you get heat, lots of, way too much to live with, otherwise my left foot gets frostbite. This has to be resolved. Fortunately the dealer had two temp sensors for me, so it's either those, or the potentiometers, or the control unit is screwed, since I believe the dual mono valve is fine. Later this evening I tackled the job of confirming the two blower housing sensors are ok. First of course I found out the fan dial refused to come off, I know I had it off before to replace the little bubs in the back lighting and in the control unit!. Pull tug, plead, invent new words (old words actually), snaps in two. Sigh... Small vice grips to pull off the inner plastic housing which is as you know pressure fit on, the outer dial is melted onto it with now broken stubs. Off to a great start since we've busted plastic, and this was the easy part. So unscrew upper console wood, remove nuts, bulbs, place wood somewhere safe far away from the work area, prod at switch matrix. The interesting thing here is the dual manual climate control is two temp dials, a seperate fan speed controller, and vacuum controller for air vents. Not much there on the control unit proper, but a large nest of wires and a small 30ish pin conector with a locking tab, wires head off mostly to drivers side. Has to be a control unit somewhere else there just isn't anything in the switch assembly. Well there could be perhaps the manual system is really simple and the circuit board is the size of a pack of cards? Well since I'm here I carefully examine temp dial, unscrew right housing, temp dial and housing comes off. See nice large, clean heavy duty looking potentiometer. Well that looks reasonable certainly wasn't full of dust we'll not touch that further. Carefully examine connector, check tab yes it releases, try to separate. Nope, begs to snap plastic parts. Fiddle, prod, poke, examine, stand on my head to see underneath. Nope try some pressure and 30ish pins welded together creak and the connector releases and the two parts separate. So I move the switch matrix aside and dangle on driver side. What's left is a fan speed switch and a vacuum actuator controller pod screaming touch me and I'll leak air. Peering about I can see yes on the left according to the w124 USA manual there should be the temp sensor right behind the control unit which snaps into the blower housing. Yes it's there. Ok look to the right, where I suspect the right temp sensor should be. Goodness knows what the overhead temp sensor does on this car. Yes a rectangular hole where the right side temp sensor should be. No temp sensor, just a hole into the right blower housing, no wires, nothing. Mmm certainly there has to be a temp sensor. I'll bet the evil telco that messed with the installation and deinstallation of the cell phone popped it off and it's lying in the bottom of the console. Look about, nope but odds and ends of non benz wire lurks. Nothing leaps up and says here am I, that would be too easy. Ok remove radio. I need to do this to replace it anyway, attempt to insert radio keys, right one goes in, left one only part way. Fiddle lots more, then jam left one in. Radio won't budge. Pull, face plate pops off, well it does that anyway, still no go. Assume I am an idiot and can't read instructions and swap keys, nope. Sigh, ok I really wanted to avoid all this extra work, remove center console storage box, unscrew center console wood, pull back, leaver out ashtray, or attempt to. Sigh, ensure brake is on, turn power on, step on brake, put shifter in neutral, finally wiggle out ashtray assembly, disconnect power cord. Jam two small screw drivers into stupid lock tabs. Pull radio out, disconnect the 8 pin becker cable, the 4 pin cable, the ground, and a mystery yellow handcrafted wire which I think later is the Phone Mute feed wire. MMm still no temp sensor, It's an inch long, termocouple on end, size of your thumb, two pins has to be there somewhere. Lots' of wire, wires for phone coax, cable to 2nd part of becker box, stereo wires, etc etc. Feed wires to the missing cell controller, few other things. Poke prod. Finally think surely those engineers ran the 2 temp sensors in same wire bundle, follow wire bundle back, then foward and what do you know dusty temp sensor with broken tab leaps out of the rats nest of wire
Re: [MBZ] Help
Or the plastic canister may have disintegrated. The car was old enough to drink legally in any state 15 years ago! If prior suggestions don't yield a solution, you might try taking loose the fuel line straps under the body, particularly around the rear axle and near the firewall. The lines rust through under the strap and are invisible, and don't drip unless they are really rotten. When the strap is loose, examine the line for rust or pitting. I had one on a 190D that only allowed air in the line, but never leaked out. Loren At 04:51 PM 11/15/2005, you wrote: In a message dated 11/15/2005 1:27:34 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, I'll be damned. I need help. My W108 1969 280SEL smells horribly of fuel in the cockpit, but there are no leaks anywhere to be found. Anybody ever experience this? Clogged air filter maybe? Rusty, There is a black plastic gas vapor separator in the rear fender well ( mine was on the drivers side) with 3 lines connected to it. One or more may have come adrift or the vent out the bottom was plugged or knocked back into the fender well. Good luck, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 138 K miles ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W124 charging system fails, how far can you drive, lots....
I drove the 124 TD over 100 miles with the lights on, and still had battery. On the return trip, I charged the battery before leaving, and drove back over 200 miles with the lights on for only 50 miles or so. Still had enough battery to start at the end of both cases. The true answer is How strong is your battery / how little current draw can you live with. If your battery has 100 Amp hours available, and you can draw only 1 amp, then you have 100 hours of lifemore or less Lights draw a lot of current. Turn off all unnecessary current draws: radio, A/C, Heater fan etc. At 09:18 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: I drove my turbodiesel vanagon from Chicago to Scranton, PA with no alternator, even using the wipers and lights the last two hours. Still had enough juice to roll start the next morning. Dan >Still it appears you can run a w124 diesel a long way with faulty >electrical system. > > >John -- Dan Weeks 82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 182k 82 Mercedes 300SD, 275k ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] W124 charging system fails, how far can you drive, lots....
That is correct, but I was talking theory, and with a relatively small current drain, as in running a diesel down the road with lights and all un-necessary electric consumers off. Hitting the starter changes the underlying assumptions. In practice, if you have 100 Amp hours, you might only get 70-80 hours of 1 amp draw due to operating losses. In practice, a 100 Amp hour battery may only have 50-60 amp hours available. At 11:50 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: That's not quite right. You probably have 50-60 hours of life at 1 amp. When the battery gets much over 50% discharged, it probably won't have enough juice to run the starter, and the lights will be noticeably dim. The radio will probably run a lot longer, but not much else. Ron Dwelle On Nov 17, 2005, at 12:12 PM, Loren Faeth wrote: If your battery has 100 Amp hours available, and you can draw only 1 amp, then you have 100 hours of lifemore or less ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Fuel Shutoff Valve Replacement
Bad vacuum pod on one of the door locks, or the vac hose is unhooked somewhere. I had a 123 where the yellow line came off the rubber connector for no apparent reason. At 02:35 PM 11/17/2005, you wrote: I seem to remember that the yellow line goes to the door locks. On 11/17/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The shutoff valve is not at fault! > What does the yellow line go to? I plugged off the yellow vacuum line, as > a > manner of troubleshooting, and now everything works wicked good. Is it it > doors? > > Bob Rentfro > '77 300D 142K > Litchfield Park, Az > > > - Original Message - > From: "LT Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fuel Shutoff Valve Replacement > > > > Is your car shutting off as it should? > > > > On 11/17/05, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> LT Don reassured me: > >> > >> "If you can tug on the valve and feel resistance when it is being held > on > >> only by the MityVac, you're good to go." > >> > >> > >> So...help me review... > >> There are only two places oil can get into the vacuum system: the > vacuum > >> pump and the shut off valve, correct? > >> > >> If I put the Mity Vac on the currently installed shut off valve, its > hold > >> vacuum all day long...now I'm kinda stumped. > >> > >> Bob Rentfro > >> '77 300D 142K > >> Litchfield Park, AZ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > 1977 240D > > 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle > > > > http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen > > ___ > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Crappy fuel, was: Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"
I have gotten at least 2 loads of bad fuel post Katrina. One was in the truck with the IH DT466. It had a new filter, and I got a few gallons at a small town coop to last until I could get to a truck stop and cheaper fuel. Ended up limping to a NAPA, changed the main filter (again) and that cured it. I think I only put 5 gal in the 50 gal tank. The other time was last weekend. Started the SDL and it died immediately. It had run fine the day before when i parked it. Cranked and no fire. Cracked a line, and NO fuel. Went to town and bought fuel filters. Changed the primary and blew back into the tank. Ran fine. Still running fine. In each case, I am suspecting algae, but no proof. I didn't tear either filter apart. This is not counting the poor performance. There are currently noticeable differences in fuel quality and mileage. When the price goes up, they dump water and alcohol or other emulsifier in the tanks to stretch the supply. It happens to both gasoline and Diesel. Same thing happened in 1974/75. I remember tanking up my R75/5 with very expensive premium at a Standard station in Hannibal, MO. Almost immediately, the engine lost so much power I thought something was wrong. Finally decided it was just poor gasoline. At 04:56 PM 11/17/2005, you wrote: crappy post Katria fuel and funky odo have been my pet theories as to why my mpgs have gone down recently too (on the SD). Not cold enough in the last couple months for THAT (coldness) to have effected it. Also, the TD (haven't had it long enough to really get a feel for it), does not seem to get great mpg's...makes me think of more crappy fuel... Chris
Re: [MBZ] Crappy fuel, was: Absolutely pathetic fuel "economy"
Update: My brother was driving the DT466 this weekend. Fuel filters plugged up. This time the prefilter was full of rust, and the truck has a clean tank. I am guessing my 5 gal was full of rust, and the fines got the main first, and the heavier stuff got the prefilter later. On the SDL, I limped home tonight. It ran fine for a few days. I am pretty sure the tank screen is plugged. I ran it near empty, then put in enough to get home, and the car ran better for a while, then starved again. I htink the new fuel in a nearly empty tank washed some of the rust/gunk off the screen in the tank. THis week's project is to drain the tank. In 34 years of dieselling, I only got two loads of fuel so bad it plugged the filter, until this year.. Now that they are ripping us off again, they are selling crap. At 08:12 AM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Loren, Thanks for the historical precedent. No wonder they're making so much money...not really selling us fuel! Like putting saw dust in dog food. I'm gonna try the local BP per Dr. Booth's rec. Of course, BP fuel in W. MO and BP fuel in W. PA may be TOTALLY different... Chris Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have gotten at least 2 loads of bad fuel post Katrina. One was in the truck with the IH DT466. It had a new filter, and I got a few gallons at a small town coop to last until I could get to a truck stop and cheaper fuel. Ended up limping to a NAPA, changed the main filter (again) and that cured it. I think I only put 5 gal in the 50 gal tank. The other time was last weekend. Started the SDL and it died immediately. It had run fine the day before when i parked it. Cranked and no fire. Cracked a line, and NO fuel. Went to town and bought fuel filters. Changed the primary and blew back into the tank. Ran fine. Still running fine. In each case, I am suspecting algae, but no proof. I didn't tear either filter apart. This is not counting the poor performance. There are currently noticeable differences in fuel quality and mileage. When the price goes up, they dump water and alcohol or other emulsifier in the tanks to stretch the supply. It happens to both gasoline and Diesel. Same thing happened in 1974/75. I remember tanking up my R75/5 with very expensive premium at a Standard station in Hannibal, MO. Almost immediately, the engine lost so much power I thought something was wrong. Finally decided it was just poor gasoline. At 04:56 PM 11/17/2005, you wrote: >crappy post Katria fuel and funky odo have been my pet theories as to why >my mpgs have gone down recently too (on the SD). Not cold enough in the >last couple months for THAT (coldness) to have effected it. > > Also, the TD (haven't had it long enough to really get a feel for > it), does not seem to get great mpg's...makes me think of more crappy fuel... > > Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 209K, "Wulf" -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" - Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 240D Differential
Russ, I've got a 240D differential. It is buried in the garage. I'd have to dig it out. Let me know offline if you are interested. [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:30 PM 11/20/2005, you wrote: Hi Gang, My wife's '83 240D has developed a LOUD Growling in the differential. When I bought the car the PO had taken it to an IDIOT that didn't know crap about MB tranny's. It was shifting sluggishly. Instead of doing a filter and fluid change. He proceeded to remove all the Vacuum lines off the controller on the valve cover then re plumb the Tranny line directly to the VP line. I Finally got the Tranny issues straighten out, still not quite right but I'm getting it there. About a month after we got it the Diff. started to make noise after long runs, She drives 220 miles a day mostly at 60+ mph. So I changed the Diff. lube with Mobil 1 gear oil. That was the first of the month. Last week I drove it for the first time since the fluid change, Yes I did give it a good work out when I did the change No Noise. Well the Noise was back. I asked my wife when it started making the noise again. She said 2 days. Thursday I get a call from her Stating it had gotten so bad she was afraid to drive it back home unaccompanied. So I met her and followed her home. 2 hour drive at 35mph. Grrr. When I got it home I took a spin in it. Get it over 30 the noise starts above 40 it is BAD sounds like the Diff. is about to come apart. I know it's not the Half shafts. Put it on my Indys lift. We put it thru the paces. He says that it's the Diff. So it looks like I get to change it out this week while wifey is off of school. What I need to know from the Great Minds of this Great List is if I can't find a Diff. from a 240D Auto car will one from a 300D (123) or 240D Manny Tranny work i.e. What are the Gear Ratio's? I know that one PnP has 4 300D's in stock. Missed out on a 240D at another PnP, they got rid of it 2 weeks ago Grrr. Any tips on the RnR from anybody that has done this before. TIA Russ W. '83 240D Manny (His) '83 240D Auto (Hers) ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Jim Cathey
Jim, Nice to see you are back!
Re: [MBZ] Cost to rebuild
It is a tough call. I bought 2 used 240D engines. The first came from a tow-yard in Chicago, right after the first snow. 240D recently wrecked. It is a good engine, and in use. Paid $500 about 5 years ago. About 3 years ago I bought an engine on ebay. When i got it, it had NO compression on #`1. I rebuilt this engine, valve job, new pistons, rings and sleeves, timing chain, tensioner, nozzles and glow plugs. I didn't want to know what it cost, cause the car is not worth it. I know the first order from Rusty was roughly $750. I am guessing I spent $1000 on parts, and the crank was in beautiful shape. I probably could have put a sleeve and piston in #1 and had a running engine, but I like knowing how good an engine is, and have always done the whole thing, if I am going to do it. Your situation is not unlike how I learned to work on Diesels. I bought a 7 yr old car from a stealership, with a "rebuilt engine" It ran for 10K miles and ended up on the side of I 80 the following June, knocking and overheating. Of course the stealership claimed it was not their problem. In short, the least expensive way out was to work on the engine myself. Because the crank was bad in the old engine, a factory short block was the most economical at the time. The old engine was so worn out that the only moving parts that were reused were 6 of the valves. As a college student, I had time. I had a tree in the back yard. I got a haynes manual. I read some of the other manuals in the library. I bought a few extra tools when i needed them. (lots of trips out to Snears) I put it together, and it is still running. (30+ years) I ended up with a car that I had WAY more money in than what it was worth. But I learned a lot. I have gotten a lot of service out of that car, so maybe my investment was worth it. Good Luck Brian! You have a lot of assistance available at your fingertips with this list. At 12:29 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote: Allright, I'll admit it: There's no way I'd attempt to rebuild my engine, so I'm either putting in a used one, or having it rebuilt. (talking about my 83 240D with siezed engine) So let me ask: Who can tell me what I might get charged to have this done. I know nobody can say with accuracy, but I'm just asking for input based on your experiences, list. Let's assume it needs a complete rebuild. And thanks for the tip about a good indie in Phoenix, Chuck, and others. He sounded like a real good guy - friendly and an enthusiast. But I have not yet called him back to ask him what he might charge for a rebuild, because at the time I spoke to him, my intentions were to put in a used engine. So what do you guys/gals think? Brian 83 240D _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] way too much for this car
Tell me where I can buy good 87 300TD for $3615, and I will buy a dozen, because I know the market price is higher. In fact the last guy I contacted was selling one for a grand higher than that price, and he RAISED the price and sold it within a few days. The previous ones on ebay went for ~ $9K range. The one recently listed on ebay is a rustbucket, as are several others less than 8K. KBB and NADA are always suspect when it comes to imported cars and ESPECIALLY diesels. What is their source of info? It is the big dealers of Detroit iron. These dealers have no interest in diesel cars. If they get one, they want it OFF their lot YESTERDAY, if not sooner. They won't sell it to you or I for a KBB price, but they will unload it somewhere (auction) and will report a low price because they don't want to mess with them unless they make a ton of money on the transaction. (They will give little or nothing as trade-in, or mask the low trade-in value in the high price of the SUV you buy.) Sthewayitworks The facts are 1. MB Diesels have great reliability 2. MB Diesels have great longevity 3. MB Diesels with (ultra-reliable) mechanical fuel injection have not been made since the OM 60x engines 4. There is no MB diesel wagon available in the US newer than 1987 5. MB wagons are versatile and useable 6. MB wagons are the safest out there. (some might argue that volvos are) Either are head and shoulders above the rest. For my money, a really good TD or SDL is worth more than any detriot iron or riceburner It is nothing new. In the mid 70s, the "book" price on a 220D was $2500, but you could not buy one for less than $4000 That car isn't even worth even $4,000. Whoever payed 10K for it got ripped off. Here is how its appraised in the kelly blue book: *$3,615 - in excellent condition with all options (including leather)* http://www.kbb.com/kb/ki.dll/kw.kc.ur?kbb.CO;224801;CO037&81632;+p&722;Mercedes-Benz;1987%20300TD&19;MB;AF&&&; ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Scary
Lessee. Mercedes Benz, Toada, Nissan, and Hondog are all "American made" (at least one plant in the US) Many Detroit products are Japanese cars built in the US, Mexico, Japan or who knows where. Buy one and support your neighbor. Guess we are all patriots because Chrysler is an American company, Right? At 02:56 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: Where is that same "patriotism" now?
Re: [MBZ] way too much for this car
Naaa, Kaleb's limit is $500 At 04:55 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: the real question iswould Kaleb have paid $10k for that car in said condition? If he says yes, it's worth it and more. -Original Message- From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Nov 21, 2005 5:02 PM To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MBZ] way too much for this car KBB is the last place to go to get a value for one of these cars. Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix) '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] SDL fuel tank screen
Has anyone cleaned or removed the tank screen on an SDL? I don't see a big plug like on the older diesels. From the 47-10 job, it looks like the fuel out is the line closest to the differential. If I pull that line, does the screen come out also? There is no job for cleaning the screen.
Re: [MBZ] euro alert
Hey! I have a 280 Euro Engine for it. Anybody want to put the two together? At 05:22 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-SEL-83-MERCEDES-BENZ-280-SEL-GREAT-CONDITION-BAD-ENGINE-NR_W0QQitemZ4592185702QQcategoryZ6315QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] euro alert
Hey Kaleb, If you find one of those $3615 87 300 TDs, I want one! Like I said, I'd take a dozen if I could find them
Re: [MBZ] Tires 123 240D
German Continentals, if you can get them. Being on the East coast, you might be able to find some. Since Eurotire (my old source for German tires) was sold, I have not been happy with any tire. I can't find any source for German Continentals. So far, blizzaks are doing ok, but I did suspect one was slipping a belt last spring when I took them off. But, they don't meet your criteria. I have run some Remington T rated tires. They are ok, but wear on the shoulders (need higher pressure) and don't have great treadlife. Lately I have been putting on US Contis, but all are too new for evaluation It is nearly impossible to find H or V rated 14" tires. Remington seems to make some. I may get a set to put on the SL. Factory was V rated, but that doesn't seem necessary in the US At 05:36 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: Anyone recommend tires real quick. All highway driving, all season radials a must. I Cruise at 65 to 72 mph pretty steady. 0-60mph in about an hour. Thanks Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA - Original Message - From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 6:24 PM Subject: [MBZ] 603 engine > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-300D-300-300SRD-123-124-126-Turbo-Diesel-eng_W0QQitemZ8016864661QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > -- > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, > 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, > 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 > Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Job 47-100
Does anyone have job 47-100, Fuel tank R & R for 86 SDL? It is not on my CD. It is listed on skinnerbox, but not there. Loren Faeth 86 300 SDL At 05:34 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: Has anyone cleaned or removed the tank screen on an SDL? I don't see a big plug like on the older diesels. From the 47-10 job, it looks like the fuel out is the line closest to the differential. If I pull that line, does the screen come out also? There is no job for cleaning the screen. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] SDL fuel tank screen
Thanks Dr Booth. I also did find the 47-100 pdf on my cd, but it was not indexed. I pulled both hoses from the bottom of the tank. Unfortunately, the "out" line was black inside, indicating the presence of algae. As much as I drive the car, the algae didn't grow there, so it was pumped in. After removing the rubber big grommet, # 71 on the 47-100, I could see the big nut to remove the screen. I am not sure I have a wrench that will fit it. It looks like it is 1 1/2 to 1 3/4, and a 3/4 inc drive socket that big won't fit in there, above the differential. My 12" adjustable won't go that big. It looks like a job for an offset box wrench, but I don't have one that big. Hm. I will go out and try what i have, but it looks like i may need to buy or build a wrench of some form. Loren At 05:34 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: Has anyone cleaned or removed the tank screen on an SDL? I don't see a big plug like on the older diesels. From the 47-10 job, it looks like the fuel out is the line closest to the differential. If I pull that line, does the screen come out also? There is no job for cleaning the screen. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN: Gabriel
He just had no imagination as to inventive uses of adjectives. It is quite possible to convey one's thoughts without resorting to filth. Those who creatively apply a broad spectrum of adjectives can let someone know they have been cursed by a sailor without actually using any of the words. Aside from being poor form, it is just plain stupid to insult the list admin. Thanks Kaleb, for running the list! Loren At 08:13 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: Just wanted to let everyone know that Gabriel has become the first member to be banned from the list.
Re: [MBZ] ADMIN: Gabriel
Jeez Dave, We lost a veritable wealth of knowledge when Gabe was banned. Just ask him, He knows more than anyone else on the list. He knows more than all of us together. In fact, he knows more than the ENTIRE human race. He even knows more than God almighty! Just ask him! At 08:25 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: Gosh, and we were almost starting to tolerate the little tyke. (Not!) You should sign him up for Banned, if he's not already over there. He was already on my 'ignore' list, but thanks for saving me the trouble
Re: [MBZ] SDL fuel tank screen
Thanks again, Dr. Booth, I tried to get in there with the "big mother" channel lock, but didn't get them where they could bite. They are too big to fit on perpendicular, because of the differential and rear subframe position. I think I have the next smaller size in my drill box that is 200 miles away. I will look around in daylight and see if I have another, smaller set of channel locks here. I think I have a 12 inch set somewhere. One 12" set was in the TD that killed the deer, and it is 200 miles away also.The filter nut looks to be a 44 or 45 mm wrench size. I am thinking about seeing if Oreally's has a 1 3/4 inch spindle nut wrench for 4wd i can borrow. As thin as the nut is, a spindle wrench or plumber's wrench would grab more of the hex than a traditional socket or box wrench, unless you grind it flat. On the old under-trunk tanks, I could get them with the big mother channel-locks. Loren 86 SDL, et al At 09:06 PM 11/21/2005, you wrote: > Open the channel locks to the right general size of the screen's "bolt > head". Mount the bolt head perpendicularly with the channel locks. Take a > large crescent wrench and tighten it down on the nice, flat surface of the > lower jaw of the channel locks.
Re: [MBZ] cheap euro 126
I'll bet it is a 500SEL because it has hydraulic rear suspension. Great for those who want to load it down with a ton of newspapers and go like a bat out of... At 09:55 AM 11/22/2005, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-380-SEL-Mercedes-83-Mercedes-380-SEL-84-Mercedes-Benz-500-SEL_W0QQitemZ4592586505QQcategoryZ6332QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] First Biodiesel, now cranberries
Greenie Weenie idiots. Cranberries were growing here long before people. The greenie weenies WAY overinflate their self-worth. They should all be made into Biodiesel. As to the "impact of biofuels" Madam Pele spews more CO, NOx and other miscellaneous offal into the air in any given day from Kilauea than what is created by mere mortals driving around. And that is only one volcano. If you add up all the volcanos, there is a whole lot. Remember Mt St Helens? The immediate predictions were that the climate was going to change, we might even enter an Ice age in Norte America, and whole countries would be deforested from the ash cloud, CO, NOx, etc. What happened? The ash fell, the trees cleansed the air, and before the ash had been carried 1000 miles in the jet stream, there was no effect. IN fact, that was about the last of the dire screeching about the coming Ice age, and the birth of the "global warming" BS. Oh, by the way, What happens to all the stuff spewed by Madam Pele? A short distance downwind, and you can be suffocated by the gasses. Funny thing, if you get a short distance from the island, there is no trace. Nature is a wondrous thing. The earth heals itself, whether the wounds are self inflicted or inflicted by mere mortals. I guess some on the list are not old enough to remember Mt St. Helens, but go read some real history. It will astound you! The global warming BS has been around for 20 years. It is time to start the screeching about the coming ice age again. At 06:58 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: How can you enjoy driving that diesel and eating cranberry sauce when it is going to drive the earth to ruin? I might have to move to Mars, no wait, it is warming up globally too, I think from those rovers we sent there... --R (stirring worries, and gravy) Wetland worries color cranberry industry By Traci Watson, USA TODAY The fruit that brings a welcome splash of puckery crimson to Thanksgiving feasts has also stirred worries about the impact it has on the environment before it reaches the nation's dining-room tables. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-22-cranberries_x.htm?csp=34 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] First Biodiesel, now cranberries
Hmmm, If you get out your Geiger counter, you will find that everything around you is radioactive to some degree. My science project in Jr high was monitoring radiation in common store-bought milk. Yep, it is radioactive too! So, if a little radiation will kill you, You'd better hurry off the planet, because, guess what! There is lots of radiation all around you! Only greenie weenies feed their kids lead paint. The rest of us tell the kids not to eat paint. Gotcha goin' didn't I? Junk science is still junk! At 09:18 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: Yeah. They told us lead was harmless, a little nuclear radiation would never hurt anyone
Re: [MBZ] First Biodiesel, now cranberries
Skeptics of those who claim global warming is caused by human activity are by and large independent thinkers. Those who claim global warming is caused by human activity are by and large sheeple led by avowed communists and those of the socialist philosophy, and largely anti christian. It is also very instructive to see who is paying them. I do agree that it is very instructive to see who is paying whom on both sides. TO counter your claim, I make my money teaching computer networking. How does that relate to being paid by the evil oil companies? I have had papers published in scientific journals, I am a Certified Quality Engineer, and a Certified Manufacturing Technologist. My graduate and post graduate research was technical, related to science and engineering. I am named on a patent because of that research. There are many on the list who hold better credentials than mine. The science shows that the earth goes through long term warming and cooling cycles. It also shows the sun is burning hotter than it did, say 20 years ago. Science show earth temps are related to the heat generated by the sun. Statistics show that there is nothing out of normal variation cycles. There was a hot cycle in the 30s that created the dust bowl phenomenon. Then we went into a cool cycle. Many record lows were set in the 50s - 70s. The current warming trend was predictable, just as is the cooling trend that will come. I have not seen any evidence put forth by greenie weenies that will stand up to scientific scrutiny for long. I am not for or against greenie weenies, I am looking for the truth behind the shreiking of those looking for media attention. Apply Deming and Shewharts Statistical Process Control principles to temp trends over the span of recorded history and you will see there is nothing out of normal variance. That is science. Read "How to Lie with Statistics." It is somewhat outdated, but entertaining and instructive. Junk science is still junk. At 10:30 PM 11/22/2005, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: > Junk science is still junk! > And shill science is still shill science. It's instructive to look at the global warming skeptics and see who's paying them to reach those conclusions. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] cheap euro 126
Its not a US model, because the Hydraulic rear suspension was not offered in the US The only car I have seen with it was a EURO 500SEL that had been a German Embassy car in LA. That is why I guessed it was a 500 before Kaleb checked the VIN At 09:50 AM 11/24/2005, you wrote: Does the VIN confirm it's a euro car? Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > vin says its a 380 > > Loren Faeth wrote: > >> I'll bet it is a 500SEL because it has hydraulic rear suspension. Great >> for those who want to load it down with a ton of newspapers and go like a >> bat out of... >> >> >> At 09:55 AM 11/22/2005, you wrote: >> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-500-Series-380-SEL-Mercedes-83- >>> Mercedes-380-SEL-84-Mercedes-Benz-500-SEL_W0QQitemZ4592586505QQcategoryZ6332 >>> QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem >>> -- >>> Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK >>> 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, >>> 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, >>> 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 >>> Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts >>> >>> ___ >>> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >>> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >> >> >> >> ___ >> For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ >> For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net >> >> >> ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Helloooooooooo
Gosh Kaleb, there have been lots of posts all day. Got any 124 parts for me yet? Lfender, hood At 02:19 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote: Anybody out there? Am I the only one working on thanksgiving? Yes, while the wife is cooking Im stuck in front of the computer getting parts ready for ebay. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Head gasket blown?
They can also only pressurize the radiator. Its also possible to have coolant in the cyl with no oil/coolant mixing. At 01:49 PM 11/24/2005, you wrote: Hans Neureiter wrote: > I had my share of blown headgaskets. Since Brian does not know when and how > whatever happened, one sure way to tell if it is the gasket is to look at > the oil and the coolant. If the gasket went, there will be oil in the > coolant (scum in the reservoir)and/or water in the oil (milky looking scum > on the dipstick). Not always. I have had head gaskets blown where there was NO cross contamination or even loss of either fluid. It's possible for a gasket to simply blow out between adjacent cylinders! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] What?
ML 300 and 350 Diesels are available in Europe. I was told some MLs are assembled in Austria. This may be the same plant that makes the G models, but I never got a confirmation or denial on that. I know there have been Diesel ML spottings near the Alabama plant, but I have heard nothing about how many are produced there, if any. I think that some diesels have been produced in AL. I am not familiar with the 400CDI, but i have heard of it. The rest of the world gets Diesels of all forms, including G and ML You can thank the greenie weenies and GM that we have none here At 07:57 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Omar, Dis you say you have a 2003 ML400 CDI? Where do you live? I have never heard of such a vehicle. I am assuming this is a European model. What is it like? Would love to hear all about it. I like the looks of the ML's. I understand early on, they had problems. Donald H. Snook ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Kinda OT: Rust on cylinders
SHoot the bores with mopar penetrating oil. It will remove the rust. Easy and cheap. After a few hours, wipe the stuff out. At 04:57 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: I have a Toyota that I am reassembling. It has been sitting for a while and there is a light coating of rust on a two of the cylinders. The pistons, crank ect. are still in the engine. I was thinking of spraying them down with Kroil and then going over them with a scotch-brite pad. Either that or positioning each piston at the bottom of the bore and using a glaze breaker on each cylinder. I am not changing the rings or anything, just putting a head on. Any ideas? Rick Knoble 1985 300 CD ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] GM, was: What?
WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second "gas shortage" (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why GM? Chris
Re: [MBZ] mog for sale
a lot of them in the 60s had the 2.2 liter M180 engine, same as the 220Sb and 220b I think all or most of the Swiss army ones were gas. seems like a lot if them made it to the US. (not a Mog expert) Bob could surely give a better answer At 08:05 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: What's that "carburettor" stuff I see on that Mog Exchange. I have seen a lot of Unimogs of all sizes where I came from, 50's to the 70's, but never heard of a gasser. > > Well I've done it. I listed my DOKA on the unimog exchange. > > http://www.unimog.net/exchange/ -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MB in Movie Preview
There have been a few things on the tube that had a good guy driving an MB, mostly 107s Come to think of it, in one of the Herbie movies the bad guys were in a 111. Herbie goes to Monte Carlo? At 08:21 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Why is it that it's always the bad guys who are driving the Mercedes? Anyone seen any movies where the GOOD guy drives a Mercedes?
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Maybe someone could produce the US sales numbers, but I believe in 82-84 Mercedes sold about 60% diesels. VW may have been in the 75% diesel range. Wascal Wabbits! At 08:43 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: I had no idea. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I just figured when the fuel crisis ended, so did interest in diesels. Will keep this e-mail for future reference and forward to some friends. Thanks! Chris Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second "gas shortage" (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >Why GM? > > Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 210K, "Wulf" -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" - Yahoo! Personals Single? There's someone we'd like you to meet. Lots of someones, actually. Try Yahoo! Personals ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Kaleb, A. We were talking about cars, not trucks. Show me an 86 chevy diesel car with the v8 diesel from the factory! B. The filter was on the back of the intake, and was plumbed backwards. It DID cause nozzle failures. It did often plug. It was NOT easy to change. C. I did say the engine was reasonably reliable if you put a decent fuel filter/separator on it. D. I did not create the reputation of GM diesel cars. GM did that all by itself. I merely observed it. At 09:04 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO. Loren Faeth wrote: > WHY GM? > > In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second > "gas shortage" (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was > available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an > itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, > and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would > collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, > costing big bucks. > > The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service > diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, > or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor > or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the > water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) > > If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. > > then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the > diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of > diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying > that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not > content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen > the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning > could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting > the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. > > GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel > for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized > that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those > committed, like MB and VW. > > Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and > could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason > why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of > course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM > proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a > handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance > vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to > fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell > enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. > > THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at > about 20% from 1985 until now. > > In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section > events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one > meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a > diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new > Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the > spring of 82. > > Loren > > At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: > >>Why GM? >> >> Chris > > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
Yeah, when I was lyin' to Kaleb, I neglected to mention the pump failures. At 09:35 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: I can tell you exactly when that happened on my '82 Pontiac Bonneville wagon. I was driving back to Houston from Fort Worth, stopped at a Texaco station in Waco and filled up with what turned out to be "wet" diesel fuel. Within 20 miles the engine started missing, and we barely made it back to Houston. At that time it had 40,000 miles on it. Took it in to the dealer and they said, oh, there's a "special" warranty on the IP and we'll replace it at no charge. No wonder they were in such a hurry to get me out of there. Never was the same after that, and the IP failed again at 70,000, and I dumped the car to get a '79 240D. Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 265K -Original Message- From: Loren Faeth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:13 PM To: Mercedes mailing list Subject: [MBZ] GM, was: What? WHY GM? In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second "gas shortage" (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, costing big bucks. The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those committed, like MB and VW. Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of course, very durable. But, very few diesels sold after the GM proclamation. There were a few SDLs sold in 86 and 87. There were a handful of TDs sold in 87, mostly for dealer roadside assistance vehicles. A few 124 300Ds sold. Ford sold most of its escort diesels to fleets such as GTE to use up the stock of engines. VW could not sell enough diesels to bother meeting the regs for a few years. THAT is why GM. If it weren't for GM, diesel cars would be selling at about 20% from 1985 until now. In 75 to 1980, I usually had the only Diesel at our MBCA section events. Sometimes there was one other car, a 220D or a 240D. Then at one meeting, I could not believe my eyes, Every car there was a diesel! 240Ds, 300Ds, CDs Over the winter everyone had traded for a new Diesel 123! Same people, they now had diesels. I think that was in the spring of 82. Loren At 08:35 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: >Why GM? > > Chris ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
There was a media blitz at the end of 1984 to convince people that diesel cars were terrible. I no longer have access to the univ library to search the journal indexes, and this is not worth the time to walk over there to do a search. I did find an online index to the NY times. If anyone is interested, these citations give you a time frame. You can find other articles. I used GM AND diesel as search criteria. Bear in mind that these are based on GM press releases. Here is a list of citations from the NY Times. I know what happened, and I am not interested in paying 4 bucks per article, but some of you have paid the Times piper, so you can get the text of these articles of the period when GM set out to kill the automotive diesel (not truck). Remember, there was no alternative media at that time. The NY times, ABC, NBC and CBS controlled what we were allowed to know. Then as now, whatever one said, they all said. I included the Chevette article as more confirmation that GM earned its reputation. G.M. DROPS MOST OF ITS DIESEL CARS *Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. December 5, 1984, Wednesday By JOHN HOLUSHA (NYT); Financial Desk Late City Final Edition, Section D, Page 1, Column 4, 1054 words THE NATION ; G.M. Faces Facts On Diesel Cars *Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. December 9, 1984, Sunday By CARLYLE C. DOUGLAS, MICHAEL WRIGHT AND CAROLINE RAND HERRON (NYT); Week in Review Desk Late City Final Edition, Section 4, Page 2, Column 2, 201 words DIESELS SEEM TO HAVE RUN OUT OF STEAM *Please Note: Archive articles do not include photos, charts or graphics. More information. December 30, 1984, Sunday By JOHN HOLUSHA (NYT); Week in Review Desk Late City Final Edition, Section 4, Page 2, Column 3, 905 words Chevette Recall Suggested AP Published: November 23, 1984 The Federal Government said Tuesday that it had recommended the recall of 29,000 Chevrolet Chevette subcompact cars because of the potential for a rear- brake lockup. The autos are 1981 and 1982 Chevettes with diesel engines. A spokesman for the General Motors Corporation says G.M. sees no ''unreasonable risk'' with the autos. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said in a letter to General Motors that it should consider recalling the automobiles while the agency decides whether to order the auto maker to do so, according to an agency spokesman. At 09:04 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO. Loren Faeth wrote: > WHY GM? > > In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second > "gas shortage" (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was > available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an > itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, > and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would > collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, > costing big bucks. > > The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service > diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel filters, > or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor > or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the > water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) > > If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. > > then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the > diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of > diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally saying > that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not > content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen > the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning > could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting > the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. > > GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel > for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized > that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those > committed, like MB and VW. > > Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and > could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a reason > why 81-85
Re: [MBZ] GM, was: What?
GM and diesels has a more recent analogy: Microsoft and web browsers GM was very late to the diesel car scene. To compensate it threw its vast resources into throwing together a diesel car program. Microsoft was late to the internet. It threw its vast resources into creating a web browser program. Microsoft differed from GM in that it was able to install the program in every OS. GM did not install diesels in every car. Anybody remember IE 1, 2, or 3? I think it was 2 that even installed a virus when you downloaded it and installed it. They are as forgettable as GM diesel cars. As kaleb says, by the time GM reached version 3 the 6.5 in 1992, they had a decent product. Still IMHO, not as reliable or dependable as a 616/617 or even a 60x with Bosch inline injection pumps. At 08:46 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: Loren Faeth wrote: > Kaleb, > > A. We were talking about cars, not trucks. >Show me an 86 chevy diesel car with the v8 diesel from the factory! Of course there were no diesel V-8 cars from the factory. You said GM, assuming you were referring to all GM cars. That is what my comment was based on. > > B. The filter was on the back of the intake, and was plumbed > backwards. It DID cause nozzle failures. It did often plug. It was NOT > easy to change. True. The later 6.5's are also on the back of the intake but not really hard to change and not plumbed backwards that I can tell. Probably a different filter setup Im sure. > > C. I did say the engine was reasonably reliable if you put a decent fuel > filter/separator on it. yes, you did. > > D. I did not create the reputation of GM diesel cars. GM did that all by > itself. I merely observed it. Yes, GM had quite a reputation. Had a couple of different family members with those, one with a pontiac boneville, one with a pontiac station wagon. But as we discussed the biggest problem with the whole deal was lack of dealer training and support. > > > > > At 09:04 PM 11/28/2005, you wrote: > >>Well the first clue this is mostly untrue is the part about GM not >>producing any engines after 1984. The 6.2 (built by detroit which was >>owned by GM) came out in 1982 to replace the 5.7. This engine was used >>all the way up to 92 or so when the 6.5 came out. Yes the 5.7 had >>problems but not to the scale as bad as you are saying IMO. >> >>Loren Faeth wrote: >> >> >>>WHY GM? >>> >>>In a rush to capture part of the growing diesel market after the second >>>"gas shortage" (76 i think) GM dieselized its 350 gasser. it was >>>available in Olds, chevy, and caddy big cars and pickups. They put an >>>itty bitty fuel filter on it, hidden on the back of the intake manifold, >>>and piped the OUT side of the filter on the bottom, where any water would >>>collect. Any water in the fuel went to the injectors and ruined them, >>>costing big bucks. >>> >>>The engines were prone to failure, and the dealers didn't want to service >>>diesels, nor did their mechanics. Most problems were plugged fuel >> >>filters, >> >>>or ruined nozzles. The engine was reasonably reliable, if you put a Racor >>>or Master filter on them that really filtered the fuel and separated the >>>water. (remember, this was another period when bad fuel was prevalent.) >>> >>>If pulled hard, the bottom end would go out. >>> >>>then, in the fall of 1984, GM made a very loud announcement that the >>>diesel engine had no future in the US, and GM was stopping production of >>>diesel engines. There was a lot more to the announcement, generally >> >>saying >> >>>that if you bought or owned a diesel car that you were feeble minded. Not >>>content with that mayhem, GM went to the EPA, and collaborated to toughen >>>the emissions standards so that NO diesel engine in production or planning >>>could meet the regulation. Until that day, GM had been ardently fighting >>>the EPA and the greenie weenies on Diesel emission regs. >>> >>>GM diesel cars sat on lots or were junked. You could buy a nice GM diesel >>>for $500, 1, 2, or 3 years old. The proclamation was so widely publicized >>>that it killed the sales of Diesel cars for every manufacturer, even those >>>committed, like MB and VW. >>> >>>Mercedes had already prepared the trap oxidizer for the CA market, and >>>could meet the regs for 85-87. But the damage was done. There is a >> >>reason >> >>>why 81-85 123 cars are so plentiful. They were very popular, and of >>>course, very durable. But, ver
[MBZ] 76 300D 115 on ebay
Item number 4593590004 needs an engine The usual disclaimers, except: I have a good running 76 300D engine for sale. Put em together and run a long time for cheap. Loren 76 300D rusted away, good driveline.
Re: [MBZ] 85 300D
Hey Don, Are you sure its past tense?; ) At 12:46 PM 11/29/2005, you wrote: Don't forget that Andrew lives and works in DC, so is sort of out of touch with what happens outside the Beltway. I was the same way until I moved from the area in 1995.
Re: [MBZ] Kaleb's going to Iowa
Looks Like Kaleb got himself a 280 SE Euro with US bumpers. Interesting that it does not have velour seats Iowa's way to license a non US version has been to title it as the next-closest US version. It is probably titled as a 380SE My first car was a rusted out 56 Karmann Ghia. I took it up to the courthouse to change the title, and get the license. They told me it didn't exist. I told them it did, and they could go outside and look at it. In the end, they licensed it as a 56 bug. At 08:22 AM 11/30/2005, you wrote: Kaleb, That looks like too nice a car to part out. If you put a fuel pump and get it running, let me know I would very interested in it. I know it is a gasser. Donald H. Snook McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 300 West Douglas P.O. Box 207 Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207 Tel. (316) 263-5851 This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have recieved this message in error, please delete it and notify me. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] looks like Im going to Iowa
Waverly, MO? Yes, NE of KC I was just east of waverly when i got the load of rust in the fuel for the truck a few weeks ago. Dude, you are spreading out! all the way to Des Moines At 09:55 AM 11/30/2005, you wrote: Yea. Going to be in Waverly this weekend to pick up a car, I think that is just east of KC? Christopher McCann wrote: > wow. I'm in KC if you get stuck along the way...I imagine you will haul it on a flat bed though...? > > Chris > > "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: cool > > Dan Weeks wrote: > > >>Sweet deal, Kleb! I'm in Des Moines if you need a hand. >> >>Dan >> >> >> >>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4593301032 >>>-- >>>Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK >>>89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, >>>84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, >>>76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 >>>Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts >> >> >> > -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] looks like Im going to Iowa
It is a Euro model that was not available in the USA. 280SE You can tell by the twin cam engine. They are screamers! At 08:53 AM 12/1/2005, you wrote: I think headlights too and also the warning sign in trunk, although, like headlights, you can add that. I found one for the SD and the plastic bracket at the last OkieQ. Everything snaps right in place. (esp if Lt. Don is there to tell you that you've got the bracket turned the wrong way!) Very cool. Also comes with any car that was European delivery. It's very nice b/c the trunk light illuminates it when it's stowed. ONly prob on an SD is the sign is cast iron and the trunk lid is Aluminum...any small wind and you get hid in the head with the trunk lid. Chris Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: what marks this one as a euro? headlights? The unintelligible German on the electronic thingy? On 11/30/05, redghost wrote: > cool euro model > > On Tuesday, November 29, 2005, at 07:12 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/ > > eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4593301032 > > -- > > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK > > 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, > > 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, > > 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 > > Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts > > > > ___ > > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > > > > > > > -- > Clay > Seattle Bioburner > > 1972 220D - Gump > 1995 E300D - Cleo > 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA > The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz > > > ___ > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net > -- Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, "Rose" -1987 300TD, 150K, "Rotkäppchen" -1985 300SD, 210K, "Wulf" -1976 240D, ?K, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21" Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger" - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 1991 350SDL
For my money, the 126 SDL is the best long distance car there is. Period. the end. I am not convinced there is anything newer or older that is better. They are comfortable, relatively economical, and still attractive nearly 30 years after the initial design. (I was told by someone the design concept started in 75) My 86 is exactly like the car featured in the 1986 S class sales booklet. It is the only car I ever had that I thought was beautiful. the 67 Chevelle SS 396 in bright metallic blue was a close second. I had about $10 grand in my 86 SDL after purchase and initial fixup. I have driven it over 200,000 miles, and it is STILL a wonderful car. After rebuilding the suspension and new Bilsteins, it is now better than ever. It runs strong, and if the cancer didn't get it, i'd never need another car. I'd fix it forever. Being in a cancer zone, I will probably start using it winters only after this winter. Even with the cancer bug, it has been less expensive than any other choice in its size range. A 123 will still run cheaper. a 201 190D or a 124 diesel will probably run cheaper. But the 126 is a beautiful, comfortable car. 91 sounds better when you tell neighbors and friends what your car is, but 86-91 SDLs are all great, save the 350 engine problems as noted. If you plan to keep and drive the 91 SDL, then if it doesn't have a factory replacement engine, factor that into the purchase price. If you will put at least 200K on it, then you can easily justify the cost of a factory replacement engine, if it needs one. At 10:49 AM 12/1/2005, you wrote: I agree with all of the caution flags shown so far. BUT, having had the opportunity to ride a long distance with a friend who owned such a car, I must believe that it represents the very best possible combination of a superb ride with an economical power source. It would be a wonderful car to ownwith a new Mercedes engine. Bill Aston Fort Lauderdale 1983 380 SEC -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.10/189 - Release Date: 11/30/2005 ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] this weeks ebay idiot
Well, he IS in Houston. At 10:59 AM 12/1/2005, you wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-240-D-83-MERCEDES-BENZ-240-TURBO-DIESEL-RUNNING-CONDITION_W0QQitemZ4594504320QQcategoryZ6329QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
