Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
On Jun 8, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: What's the best way to track down a leak like this? Run it under water with your thumb on the breather hole and look for bubbles? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
On Jun 8, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: Start by cleaning the engine. Then look for new oil deposits over the next few days. Marshall I've suggested the same months ago. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Ok, so I've sealed the baffle on the valve cover, swapped the air cleaner housing from the '82 300D into the CD, and changed the oil cooler lines. It's still burning oil and smoking but not leaking more than 2-3 small drops on my parking spot. The turbo intake is dry and free of oil now. I ran it the other day(2500-3000rpm/5 minutes) with the breather tube (flat/upgraded version) in a plastic bottle and there was only 2 drops of oil in the bottle when I was done. I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Any other ideas where my oil might be going? TIA all. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
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its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. Luther Gulseth wrote: Ok, so I've sealed the baffle on the valve cover, swapped the air cleaner housing from the '82 300D into the CD, and changed the oil cooler lines. It's still burning oil and smoking but not leaking more than 2-3 small drops on my parking spot. The turbo intake is dry and free of oil now. I ran it the other day(2500-3000rpm/5 minutes) with the breather tube (flat/upgraded version) in a plastic bottle and there was only 2 drops of oil in the bottle when I was done. I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Any other ideas where my oil might be going? TIA all. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Woah, almost said something that would only be appropriate on the Banned list... On 6/8/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your whole back end would be covered with oil.
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Your turbo could still be leaking into the intake, bad oil rings, or bad valve guide seals. Also check and make sure air cleaner has not got dead cat in it. Clogged air intake system could cause excessive oil consumption. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:10 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. Luther Gulseth wrote: Ok, so I've sealed the baffle on the valve cover, swapped the air cleaner housing from the '82 300D into the CD, and changed the oil cooler lines. It's still burning oil and smoking but not leaking more than 2-3 small drops on my parking spot. The turbo intake is dry and free of oil now. I ran it the other day(2500-3000rpm/5 minutes) with the breather tube (flat/upgraded version) in a plastic bottle and there was only 2 drops of oil in the bottle when I was done. I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Any other ideas where my oil might be going? TIA all. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Seems to me that a 617 MUST die eventually when doing this, or there is some other vapor leak from the crankcase. (Maybe the oil separator drain pipe?) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
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didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped the carboned up injectors out. I tried to check last weekend, but my compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the part. I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open. Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start? Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500. Luther Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your turbo could still be leaking into the intake, bad oil rings, or bad valve guide seals. Also check and make sure air cleaner has not got dead cat in it. Clogged air intake system could cause excessive oil consumption. Trampas -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
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What should happen when I plug the breather? Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I also put my hand over the breather hole and held it there for more than 20 seconds with out it dying. Seems to me that a 617 MUST die eventually when doing this, or there is some other vapor leak from the crankcase. (Maybe the oil separator drain pipe?) -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
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intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes. Actual intake from the turbo to the head, I haven't opened that up. Should I check there? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Sounds like bad turbo seal, blowing oil in intake. Note that intake may look clean as the oil will wash it clean and oil will to stick to inside for long before it consumed. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:23 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped the carboned up injectors out. I tried to check last weekend, but my compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the part. I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open. Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start? Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500. Luther Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Your turbo could still be leaking into the intake, bad oil rings, or bad valve guide seals. Also check and make sure air cleaner has not got dead cat in it. Clogged air intake system could cause excessive oil consumption. Trampas -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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probably, if you suspect it I would pull the turbo and see. Luther Gulseth wrote: intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes. Actual intake from the turbo to the head, I haven't opened that up. Should I check there? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Well if you think about it, the turbo sucks air from air cleaner and blows it into the intake. Thus if it leaked oil it would be blown into intake, not air cleaner. I would bet money the turbo seal is bad. I know that Kaleb will sell you a bad one for $80, I bet the good ones might be cheaper.. hahahaha Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes. Actual intake from the turbo to the head, I haven't opened that up. Should I check there? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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they usually sell for around 150 or so for good ones. Trampas wrote: Well if you think about it, the turbo sucks air from air cleaner and blows it into the intake. Thus if it leaked oil it would be blown into intake, not air cleaner. I would bet money the turbo seal is bad. I know that Kaleb will sell you a bad one for $80, I bet the good ones might be cheaper.. hahahaha Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:27 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update intake from the air cleaner to the turbo, yes. Actual intake from the turbo to the head, I haven't opened that up. Should I check there? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: didnt you say there was no oil in the intake? Luther Gulseth wrote: So the turbo wouldn't blow oil into the intake? Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: its burning it somewhere, if it was the turbo blowing oil out your whole back end would be covered with oil. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote: Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped the carboned up injectors out. I tried to check last weekend, but my compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the part. I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open. Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start? Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500. If the timer (the centrifugal injection advance device that's driven by the chain and that the injection pump is coupled to) isn't advancing as it should, you could have the effect you are seeing. What's fuel consumption and 0-60 acceleration times like? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Luther Gulseth wrote: What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to shut it off. That shuts off the engine. The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should labor and die as crankcase pressure builds up. Due to the particular construction of the 617, the shutoff diaphragm gets pushed on just as if you put a vacuum on its other side. (All pressure is relative.) It is used as a poor-man's blowby test, and was shown me by the dealership service manager (though I'd heard of it before that). If it dies quickly the engine is in poor shape, though the converse is not true. The crankcase ventilation system has to be intact, you see. If it's leaky elsewhere the pressure can't build up, and it can masquerade as an unworn engine. Also, high blowby need not be a permanent condition, if it's due to carbon build-up. -- Jim
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Fuel economy is better than 25 and most of the time 27-29 running on pure diesel. I haven't timed 0-60, but it will easily out run my SD or my parents 300D. Luther Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther Gulseth wrote: Compression readings were 1-300, 2-300, 3-380, 4-345, 5-360 before I swapped the carboned up injectors out. I tried to check last weekend, but my compression tester lost an o-ring and won't seal and I'm waiting on the part. I'm fairly certain that the air intake is free and open. Don't bad valve guide seals show lots of extra blue smoke on a cold start? Mine hardly smokes until higher RPM'si.e. 2500. If the timer (the centrifugal injection advance device that's driven by the chain and that the injection pump is coupled to) isn't advancing as it should, you could have the effect you are seeing. What's fuel consumption and 0-60 acceleration times like? Marshall -- -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
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What's the best way to track down a leak like this? Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther Gulseth wrote: What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to shut it off. That shuts off the engine. The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
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Swap turbo with spare car, if problem goes away then it is turbo. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update What's the best way to track down a leak like this? Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther Gulseth wrote: What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to shut it off. That shuts off the engine. The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
I was talking about the breather/valve cover pressure. Trampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Swap turbo with spare car, if problem goes away then it is turbo. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:09 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update What's the best way to track down a leak like this? Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Luther Gulseth wrote: What should happen when I plug the breather? The engine should stop in 5-15 seconds- UNLESS there's a leak and pressure in the sump and valve cover area can escape. That pressurizes the shutoff diaphragm on the other side from where vacuum is applied to shut it off. That shuts off the engine. The pressure buildup puts pressure on the fuel shutoff valve on the injection pump via the oiling system to/from the injection pump. Marshall -- -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
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Luther Gulseth wrote: Fuel economy is better than 25 and most of the time 27-29 running on pure diesel. I haven't timed 0-60, but it will easily out run my SD or my parents 300D. Unlikely to be the timer then. This may actually be one of those times when it really IS the turbo oil seals (that's rare, but it does happen). Only way you're going to tell for sure is to replace the turbo. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
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Luther Gulseth wrote: What's the best way to track down a leak like this? Since I never use blocking the vent to test the engine, I never discover such leaks - and if I don't know about them, the engine runs fine and is not consuming oil or fuel at an alarming rate, I'm sure not going to spend any time looking for them. Most leaks of that sort push oil vapor out thru them and the engine gets dirty there (like around the breather line or the oil fill cap). That I notice and MAY do something about - especially if I'm using LOTS of oil. Start by cleaning the engine. Then look for new oil deposits over the next few days. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Any suggestions on the turbo oil? It is most likely coming from the breather. What's the air filter looking like? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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the filter element is dry, but there is some liquid oil down in the very bottom of the filter basin. Should I swap filter/breather parts from the Blue Bomber and try that? On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:37:48 -0500, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 8, 2006, at 4:21 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Any suggestions on the turbo oil? It is most likely coming from the breather. What's the air filter looking like? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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On Apr 8, 2006, at 11:50 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: the filter element is dry, but there is some liquid oil down in the very bottom of the filter basin. Should I swap filter/breather parts from the Blue Bomber and try that? Did you epoxy the valve cover yet? And more importantly the oil level should be no higher than midway between add and full marks after sitting overnight or for many hours. The turbo seals can leak but oil ingestion only on the intake/ pressure side leads me to believe its coming from the breather. How about removing it from the equation by routing it into a can or jar rather than to the air cleaner. You can then measure what gets blown into the can and compare the amount required to bring the level back to the sweet spot. Remember, it takes a year and a day for the oil to fully return to the sump. Failing that re-checking compression may yield some more evidence and changing the turbo (easy job) could be your fix. I would first clean the oil out of the turbo with solvent and run the car around with the breather in the can, then take a look for more oil in the turbo. If its there, it can only be coming from one place, the turbo. Have you placed anything like a pizza box under the engine while parked to check for external leakage? I have a good engine if that interests you but with the low mileage on your engine yours should be OK. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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well how much oil is it using now? Luther Gulseth wrote: the filter element is dry, but there is some liquid oil down in the very bottom of the filter basin. Should I swap filter/breather parts from the Blue Bomber and try that? On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 19:37:48 -0500, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Yes, oil can leak from the turbo into the intake, but usually will also leak into the exhaust -- if so, there will be quite a bit of coke in there (hard glassy carbon) that is fairly oily, not dry and fluffy. The other source of oil in the front of the turbo is blowby and/or a failed oil separator allowing oil mist into the intake rather than returning it to the pan. Most likely excessive blowby -- have you pulled the hose and checked? I've not been following this thread carefully. If OK, I would suspect bad valve guides -- you have to put enormous amounts of oil into the combustion chamber before you get blue smoke on a diesel. Peter
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Valve cover is epoxied, with J.B. (remember that thread?) and the oil level is almost always between the Min mark and the middle. What does blow by amount on an engine tell? Oil spots? We have assigned parking at work, so I get the same spot everyday. It finally started leaving spots on the ground this week. Right under the oil cooler.which is why it's currently sitting in the drive minus oil cooler lines and waiting for me to have the energy to finish installing new ones. Speaking of that, the lines had to be cut on the filter end because they were too tight onto the filter base and spun loose from there, instead of leaving the fittings in the base. Do I just torque them back into the base? Or should I use a small amount of lock tite on the base fittings? Or maybe antiseize on the line fittings? TIA all, Luther On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:13:04 -0500, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did you epoxy the valve cover yet? And more importantly the oil level should be no higher than midway between add and full marks after sitting overnight or for many hours. The turbo seals can leak but oil ingestion only on the intake/ pressure side leads me to believe its coming from the breather. How about removing it from the equation by routing it into a can or jar rather than to the air cleaner. You can then measure what gets blown into the can and compare the amount required to bring the level back to the sweet spot. Remember, it takes a year and a day for the oil to fully return to the sump. Failing that re-checking compression may yield some more evidence and changing the turbo (easy job) could be your fix. I would first clean the oil out of the turbo with solvent and run the car around with the breather in the can, then take a look for more oil in the turbo. If its there, it can only be coming from one place, the turbo. Have you placed anything like a pizza box under the engine while parked to check for external leakage? I have a good engine if that interests you but with the low mileage on your engine yours should be OK. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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On Apr 9, 2006, at 6:24 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Or should I use a small amount of lock tite on the base fittings? Or maybe antiseize on the line fittings? TIA all, Luther Might as well do bothWhile it easy. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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sent this message last night with attachmentsI'll delete them and maybe Kaleb will allow them later. This afternoon while changing the oil cooler lines, I disconnected the alda line to create more room for my wrenchand there was fresh oil in itbad sign? Here's the latest. I pulled the intake off the front of the turbo and the exhaust off the back. The exhaust was black with soot, but dry. The intake had fresh oil as you can see in the pictures I'll attach. I wiped a spot with my finger (outlined in yellow) and the rest of the oil is outlined in red. Is that bad? Could the oil be going from the turbo directly into the intake? Tomorrow I'm replacing the oil cooler lines, they're moist. Along with that will be the engine mounts, tranny mount, driveline support boot/bearing/dust cap and the rear sway bar links. Right now it's sitting in the drive way with out any oil in the engine, prep'd for the extravaganzacoolerlinesproject. Any suggestions on the turbo oil? On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:00:43 -0600, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be tough.my odometer is now working 50% of the timegr love an old car. Always something new to keep you on your toes. Luther On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:36 , Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: report back Luther Gulseth wrote: BUT, after sealing the valve cover baffle Thurs/Fri, I don't see anymore white smoke at idle, and it's hardly there at 3000+RPM. THAT may have been most of my useage. I can put 250 on this week and see if the comsumption is still high. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:18:41 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin kaleb at striplin.net wrote: -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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Here's the latest. I pulled the intake off the front of the turbo and the = exhaust off the back. The exhaust was black with soot, but dry. The = intake had fresh oil as you can see in the pictures I'll attach. I wiped = a spot with my finger (outlined in yellow) and the rest of the oil is = outlined in red. Is that bad? Could the oil be going from the turbo = directly into the intake? Tomorrow I'm replacing the oil cooler lines, they're moist. Along with = that will be the engine mounts, tranny mount, driveline support = boot/bearing/dust cap and the rear sway bar links. Right now it's sitting = in the drive way with out any oil in the engine, prep'd for the = extravaganzacoolerlinesproject. Any suggestions on the turbo oil? On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:00:43 -0600, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] = wrote: This will be tough.my odometer is now working 50% of the = timegr love an old car. Always something new to keep you on = your toes. Luther On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:36 , Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: report back Luther Gulseth wrote: BUT, after sealing the valve cover baffle Thurs/Fri, I don't see = anymore white smoke at idle, and it's hardly there at 3000+RPM. THAT may have been most of my useage. I can put 250 on this week and see if the comsumption is still high. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:18:41 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin kaleb at = striplin.net wrote: -- = Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: oil-finger.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 269547 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060= 407/5a48a2fe/oil-finger.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: turbo-intake.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 473361 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060= 407/5a48a2fe/turbo-intake.jpg
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
The odometer started working when I fueled up Tuesday and reset the trip odometer. HrmI made another screwup though. Left the oil cap off (now missing, and replaced with the old one) and covered the engine compartment with oil. Gave it a bath tonight. Checked the oil when I discovered the cap missing, and it was only 2 qt low, so I didn't loose that much. Ugh, I'll check the oil consumption more next week. On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 13:00:43 -0600, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will be tough.my odometer is now working 50% of the timegr love an old car. Always something new to keep you on your toes. Luther On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:36 , Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: report back Luther Gulseth wrote: BUT, after sealing the valve cover baffle Thurs/Fri, I don't see anymore white smoke at idle, and it's hardly there at 3000+RPM. THAT may have been most of my useage. I can put 250 on this week and see if the comsumption is still high. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:18:41 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin kaleb at striplin.net wrote: -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
I did that once. when I was 16, GEEZ Luther Gulseth wrote: The odometer started working when I fueled up Tuesday and reset the trip odometer. HrmI made another screwup though. Left the oil cap off (now missing, and replaced with the old one) and covered the engine compartment with oil. Gave it a bath tonight. Checked the oil when I discovered the cap missing, and it was only 2 qt low, so I didn't loose that much. Ugh, I'll check the oil consumption more next week. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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its time to dump that thing. Sounds like you drive it more than the SD though. Luther Gulseth wrote: This will be tough.my odometer is now working 50% of the timegr love an old car. Always something new to keep you on your toes. Luther On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:36 , Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: report back Luther Gulseth wrote: BUT, after sealing the valve cover baffle Thurs/Fri, I don't see anymore white smoke at idle, and it's hardly there at 3000+RPM. THAT may have been most of my useage. I can put 250 on this week and see if the comsumption is still high. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:18:41 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin kaleb at striplin.net wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
It's hella fun to drive compared to the SD. The SD is a great road carwould love to trade up to an SDL though P.Sthe Odo started working last night after I reset the trip odo after fueling. Luther ~its time to dump that thing. Sounds like you drive it more than the SD ~though. ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ ~ This will be tough.my odometer is now working 50% of the timegr ~love an old car. Always something new to keep you on your toes. ~ ~ Luther ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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On Mar 26, 2006, at 2:45 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: Just how much oil are you using? How many qt in how many miles? Marshall Its an absurd amount,IIRC 1 qt/250-300mi. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
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Our dealer had in an infamous w140 350SDL, they told me the turbo was cracked and when hot and only when really hot it would leak oil into the intake and produce *huge* clouds of blue smoke. For the right price I'd buy one of those. I have a spare 603 turbo from the wagon. One of the few interesting parts it _does_ have left. -- Jim
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Just how much oil are you using? How many qt in how many miles? Its an absurd amount,IIRC 1 qt/250-300mi. Our 'collectible convertible', the 250C hardtop convertible, burned a truly heinous amount of oil on its one and only road trip, all four quarts I brought along in about 200 miles. But then it cooled off, we slowed down (different road), and I unhooked the crankcase vent hose from the intake manifold. So we never touched the extra case of oil I bought on the road. -- Jim
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Yea - I konw about the time and elbow grease (though I did cheat and use a wire brush in an old drill)! On 3/27/06, John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Don wrote: I haven't updated the page yet (no new photos yet), but your engine does look better than mine! http://pages.sbcglobal.net/danorris/450slc.htm I was really impressed with the quality of work from the guys at Metric. And Tom @ Yankee Diesel really outdid himself on that IP, too. The rest was just a lot of time and elbow grease on my part. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
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This will be tough.my odometer is now working 50% of the timegr love an old car. Always something new to keep you on your toes. Luther On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:36 , Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: report back Luther Gulseth wrote: BUT, after sealing the valve cover baffle Thurs/Fri, I don't see anymore white smoke at idle, and it's hardly there at 3000+RPM. THAT may have been most of my useage. I can put 250 on this week and see if the comsumption is still high. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:18:41 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin kaleb at striplin.net wrote: -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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yep Luther Gulseth wrote: Good call. Rusty On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:40:38 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: couple of cans of diesel purge -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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WOW, thats ALOT of oil usage, sounds like you might have scored piston walls. Luther Gulseth wrote: 1qt/250-300mi. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:45:34 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: couple of cans of diesel purge Luther Gulseth wrote: I'll check valves and oil leak next weekend. What about checking the rear side of the turbo for oil? How hard is that? What's the proceedure for the baffle epoxy? Just how much oil are you using? How many qt in how many miles? Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: WOW, thats ALOT of oil usage, sounds like you might have scored piston walls. Christ, even our 240D didn't burn that much oil with 1 double-holed piston, 1 deeply gouged cylinder liner, 1 piston with cracked rings, and a cracked head! Speaking of, the new motor just went into the car on Friday - http://www.mbdiesel.net/ -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
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what did you do, clean the engine, transmisson, and engine compartment while you had it out? Looks good. John Ervine wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: WOW, thats ALOT of oil usage, sounds like you might have scored piston walls. Christ, even our 240D didn't burn that much oil with 1 double-holed piston, 1 deeply gouged cylinder liner, 1 piston with cracked rings, and a cracked head! Speaking of, the new motor just went into the car on Friday - http://www.mbdiesel.net/ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what did you do, clean the engine, transmisson, and engine compartment while you had it out? Looks good. The engine is a rebuild from Metric Motors out in California. The injection pump and injectors are from Tom Horvath at Yankee Diesel in Connecticut - very special IP work, should be a very fast (relatively) 240D post break-in - lower no-load max RPM, higher load RPM, and higher fuel delivery in mid-range and up. Donna degreased the engine compartment for the most part - the bottom is still grease-laden, as I found out when bolting up the motor mounts. The transmission was cleaned as best as possible after removal, and then I touched up the top half with some fine steel wool to remove the oxidation. As I mention on at least one page, the photos simply do not do the motor justice. I hated to put the motor in the car, and would have rather set it in my living room. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
BUT, after sealing the valve cover baffle Thurs/Fri, I don't see anymore white smoke at idle, and it's hardly there at 3000+RPM. THAT may have been most of my useage. I can put 250 on this week and see if the comsumption is still high. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:18:41 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOW, thats ALOT of oil usage, sounds like you might have scored piston walls. Luther Gulseth wrote: 1qt/250-300mi. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:45:34 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: couple of cans of diesel purge Luther Gulseth wrote: I'll check valves and oil leak next weekend. What about checking the rear side of the turbo for oil? How hard is that? What's the proceedure for the baffle epoxy? Just how much oil are you using? How many qt in how many miles? Marshall -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
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WOW, thats ALOT of oil usage, sounds like you might have scored piston walls. Not to be discounted on these cars is a malfunction of the oil separator system in the air cleaner. (Including the baffle of recent discussion, the hoses, etc.) I own the Chicken Wagon because the PO thought the engine was toast. Five minutes with a screwdriver and that dog was converted to something we drove a couple of hundred miles home. Not that we knew anything about it at the time, we just thought that having the breather hose mostly occluded by a clot of rubber snot couldn't be doing it any good. No, it wasn't! The oil reclamation system in the crankcase ventilator depends upon relative pressures being right. The oil in the blowby in this case was pooling and slopping over into the turbo intake. Big oil consumption, bad intermittent engine noises, and a lot of carboning up. All gone after fixing the breather hose. -- Jim
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My '83 240D was using/leaking a quart in 700 miles which I considered an obscene amount. I *think* its leaking around the filter base but I never cared enough to bother. Fortunately the 190D hasn't leaked any noticable amount in 2300 miles. -Curt '85 190D Dory 236kmi Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:24:47 -0500 From: John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: WOW, thats ALOT of oil usage, sounds like you might have scored piston walls. Christ, even our 240D didn't burn that much oil with 1 double-holed piston, 1 deeply gouged cylinder liner, 1 piston with cracked rings, and a cracked head! Speaking of, the new motor just went into the car on Friday - http://www.mbdiesel.net/ -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 27 01:45:54 2006 Received: from web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.43]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FNgnp-0004qu-L6 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:45:54 + Received: (qmail 53171 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Mar 2006 01:45:49 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=aqrpkBjSRx1K5PTVOgOvTgHH9eot1YECE9QoStYH8V0C6HYzAuS0aMqgMBGeJYZvS3HcrWL0B4OFJZykf5wed8ikeTMzVCaXu2EG9B/Y31Mg38BX+agXQwznhN9vmU9Yo2Ye8Bbl/trAPb6o5enRt/a8uh4l3geW+gYXNyxO3iA= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [24.63.168.75] by web32813.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:45:49 PST Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:45:49 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another happy day with the 190D X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:45:54 - I did some of that a couple weeks ago. My standard first swipe cleaning plan is hot water with vinegar. That helped alot, a gallon of tobacco stained water later some of the funk was gone but then I glued up the plastic thing where you rest your left foot. So the glue smells been stuck in there for awhile. The coffee should do a good job at absorbing that. I had a dorm room in college that had a serious funk when I moved in, I put coffee in a filter and it wasn't long before the funk moved on. -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:11:53 -0700 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another happy day with the 190D To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:51:22 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right now I'm glueing up a paper towel to make a coffee sachet to absorb some of the smell. Its alot better than it was but its not a smell I like yet... My wife puts out vinegar for bad smells. Craig - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 27 01:50:16 2006 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FNgs1-0004zj-4j for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:50:15 + Received: from [192.168.1.2] (c-24-3-195-27.hsd1.pa.comcast.net[24.3.195.27]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id 20060327015007m1200jc1e8e; Mon, 27 Mar 2006 01:50:07 + Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:50:06 -0500 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Breather hose is new and updated flat style. And how's the drain hose for the separator look? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote: 1qt/250-300mi. There is NO way that oil consumption in excess of a qt in 1000 miles will be cured by what you are doing!! When oil consumption gets to a qt in 600 miles Mercedes rates the engine as unreliable and insists it be taken out of service since it can fail without ANY warning (and then there's the matter of pollution). Somewhere something is VERY wrong. I don't know what it is, but it's NOT stuck rings or leaky valve guides or seals. I doubt that it's the turbo seals too, but that's less conclusive then the my discount of rings, valve guides or seals. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
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fuck, I thought you were rebuilding it yourself? I bet fucking engine cost a pretty penny. John Ervine wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what did you do, clean the engine, transmisson, and engine compartment while you had it out? Looks good. The engine is a rebuild from Metric Motors out in California. The injection pump and injectors are from Tom Horvath at Yankee Diesel in Connecticut - very special IP work, should be a very fast (relatively) 240D post break-in - lower no-load max RPM, higher load RPM, and higher fuel delivery in mid-range and up. Donna degreased the engine compartment for the most part - the bottom is still grease-laden, as I found out when bolting up the motor mounts. The transmission was cleaned as best as possible after removal, and then I touched up the top half with some fine steel wool to remove the oxidation. As I mention on at least one page, the photos simply do not do the motor justice. I hated to put the motor in the car, and would have rather set it in my living room. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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report back Luther Gulseth wrote: BUT, after sealing the valve cover baffle Thurs/Fri, I don't see anymore white smoke at idle, and it's hardly there at 3000+RPM. THAT may have been most of my useage. I can put 250 on this week and see if the comsumption is still high. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:18:41 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
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Note to all, Kaleb forgot which world he was in. Please disregard this message. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:33:49 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *edited* I thought you were rebuilding it yourself? I bet that engine cost a pretty penny. John Ervine wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what did you do, clean the engine, transmisson, and engine compartment while you had it out? Looks good. The engine is a rebuild from Metric Motors out in California. The injection pump and injectors are from Tom Horvath at Yankee Diesel in Connecticut - very special IP work, should be a very fast (relatively) 240D post break-in - lower no-load max RPM, higher load RPM, and higher fuel delivery in mid-range and up. Donna degreased the engine compartment for the most part - the bottom is still grease-laden, as I found out when bolting up the motor mounts. The transmission was cleaned as best as possible after removal, and then I touched up the top half with some fine steel wool to remove the oxidation. As I mention on at least one page, the photos simply do not do the motor justice. I hated to put the motor in the car, and would have rather set it in my living room. -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Please disregard last post, thought I was on a different list. Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: , I thought you were rebuilding it yourself? I bet xxx engine cost a pretty penny. John Ervine wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what did you do, clean the engine, transmisson, and engine compartment while you had it out? Looks good. The engine is a rebuild from Metric Motors out in California. The injection pump and injectors are from Tom Horvath at Yankee Diesel in Connecticut - very special IP work, should be a very fast (relatively) 240D post break-in - lower no-load max RPM, higher load RPM, and higher fuel delivery in mid-range and up. Donna degreased the engine compartment for the most part - the bottom is still grease-laden, as I found out when bolting up the motor mounts. The transmission was cleaned as best as possible after removal, and then I touched up the top half with some fine steel wool to remove the oxidation. As I mention on at least one page, the photos simply do not do the motor justice. I hated to put the motor in the car, and would have rather set it in my living room. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
with that much oil usage, you either have a bad bad leak, broken rings, cracked pistons, scored cylinder walls Luther Gulseth wrote: With a nearly dry undercarriage, where else could it be going? Not rings, valve guides, or seals. Could have been valve cover baffle, and might be turbo seals. Is there any other place that can loose oil internally? On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:05:32 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: 1qt/250-300mi. There is NO way that oil consumption in excess of a qt in 1000 miles will be cured by what you are doing!! When oil consumption gets to a qt in 600 miles Mercedes rates the engine as unreliable and insists it be taken out of service since it can fail without ANY warning (and then there's the matter of pollution). Somewhere something is VERY wrong. I don't know what it is, but it's NOT stuck rings or leaky valve guides or seals. I doubt that it's the turbo seals too, but that's less conclusive then the my discount of rings, valve guides or seals. Marshall
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
The remanufactured by MB 617 engine I bought for my first '76 300D didn't look that good out of the crate! My 117 engine is now sitting in the SLC, bolted up, drive shaft in place, exhaust buttoned up, etc. THe car is now off the stands - waiting for everything under the hood to be attached --- I haven't updated the page yet (no new photos yet), but your engine does look better than mine! http://pages.sbcglobal.net/danorris/450slc.htm On 3/26/06, John Ervine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: what did you do, clean the engine, transmisson, and engine compartment while you had it out? Looks good. The engine is a rebuild from Metric Motors out in California. The injection pump and injectors are from Tom Horvath at Yankee Diesel in Connecticut - very special IP work, should be a very fast (relatively) 240D post break-in - lower no-load max RPM, higher load RPM, and higher fuel delivery in mid-range and up. Donna degreased the engine compartment for the most part - the bottom is still grease-laden, as I found out when bolting up the motor mounts. The transmission was cleaned as best as possible after removal, and then I touched up the top half with some fine steel wool to remove the oxidation. As I mention on at least one page, the photos simply do not do the motor justice. I hated to put the motor in the car, and would have rather set it in my living room. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: HOLY SMOKES, I thought you were rebuilding it yourself? I bet that DADGUM engine cost a pretty penny. I was planning to rebuild it until we pulled the head and found out that it was cracked. And after pricing out parts for the rebuild, plus machine shop work, plus running around to the machinist, plus taking time off of work for all of the above, the scales evened out to simply paying a couple hundred bucks to *not* have to do any of the above. And we even got to keep the same engine number. ;-) -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
OK Don wrote: I haven't updated the page yet (no new photos yet), but your engine does look better than mine! http://pages.sbcglobal.net/danorris/450slc.htm I was really impressed with the quality of work from the guys at Metric. And Tom @ Yankee Diesel really outdid himself on that IP, too. The rest was just a lot of time and elbow grease on my part. -- John L. Ervine 1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi 1980 300TD 175+kmi 1980 300SD 277+kmi 1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi 1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Would a cylinder be able to produce 300psi compression if it had broken rings/cracked pistons/scored cylinder walls??? Remember my compression figures were 300, 300, 380, 335, 360 and the injectors that were coated with carbon the most had the lowest compression. #3 injector was the cleanest, yet dirtier than my 75kmi injectors. Luther ~with that much oil usage, you either have a bad bad leak, broken rings, ~cracked pistons, scored cylinder walls ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ With a nearly dry undercarriage, where else could it be going? Not rings, ~ ~ valve guides, or seals. Could have been valve cover baffle, and might be ~ turbo seals. Is there any other place that can loose oil internally? ~ ~ On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:05:32 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ wrote: -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
that is indeed strange. Luther Gulseth wrote: Would a cylinder be able to produce 300psi compression if it had broken rings/cracked pistons/scored cylinder walls??? Remember my compression figures were 300, 300, 380, 335, 360 and the injectors that were coated with carbon the most had the lowest compression. #3 injector was the cleanest, yet dirtier than my 75kmi injectors. Luther -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
If I had a camera with me, I'd take pictures of the air cleaner inside. It's barely touched by oil film. When I had it apart several weeks ago, I cleaned it up, half of it was dry and crusty, not fresh oil. Luther ~The thing is, when the engine has SERIOUS problems like it sounds like ~luthers has, there will be so much blowby that it will overtake the oil ~seperator system. ~ ~Jim Cathey wrote: ~ ~With a nearly dry undercarriage, where else could it be going? Not ~rings, ~valve guides, or seals. Could have been valve cover baffle, and might ~be ~turbo seals. Is there any other place that can lose oil internally? ~ ~ ~ Is the inside of the air cleaner excessively oily? That is, has it ~ got worse puddling than a film? ~ ~ -- Jim ~ ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Remember, the engine did cough and blow a cloud of black smoke for an instant yesterday afternoon, so the Italian tune up driving is starting to have an effect. ~that is indeed strange. ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ ~ Would a cylinder be able to produce 300psi compression if it had broken ~rings/cracked pistons/scored cylinder walls??? Remember my compression ~figures were 300, 300, 380, 335, 360 and the injectors that were coated with ~carbon the most had the lowest compression. #3 injector was the cleanest, yet ~dirtier than my 75kmi injectors. ~ ~ Luther ~ ~ -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Remember, the engine did cough and blow a cloud of black smoke for an instant yesterday afternoon, so the Italian tune up driving is starting to have an effect. Aren't powdered rings black? :-) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
The thing is, when the engine has SERIOUS problems like it sounds like Luther's has, there will be so much blowby that it will overtake the oil separator system. True, but wouldn't such blowby manifest itself with the oil filler cap off? A plume like Vesuvius? If I had a camera with me, I'd take pictures of the air cleaner inside. It's barely touched by oil film. When I had it apart several weeks ago, I cleaned it up, half of it was dry and crusty, not fresh oil. That doesn't _sound_ like a serious blowby problem. Keep romping on it, maybe you'll be lucky. Once it is running better maybe you could take your compression numbers again. See if they changed. Ditto with your oil consumption figures. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther, If we break down the problem a bit, first assume head and head gasket is OK. So compression can be low because of: 1) poor seating valves 2) bad sealing of piston rings 3) Valve timing 4) air intake (valve duration and air flow) Now if we assume vavle seats and piston rings are good then poor compression could be: Camshaft timing is ruled out since all cylinders are not low. Carboned intake not letting air come into cylinder is a possibility but low likely hood. Then there is also worn intake cam lobes not opening intake valves fully. Note worn exhaust valve lobs will usually cause high compression readings, while worn intake causes lower readings (no air coming in nothing to compress). As I recall the first movement of compression gauge is a good indication of rings. That is the first time the compression gauge's needle moves it should be 75%(as I recall) of the maximum reading if not then you usually have worn rings or cylinder walls. As far as oil consumption I would check turbo first, if the turbo seals are gone it will use oil and may only use oil during hard acceleration. Also if turbo oil seals are bad this will increase intake carbon build up. I know Marshall says intake carbon causing problem is rare. Also if you have a cylinder or two which have had a bad injector then the compression will be lower on those cylinders due to rings not seating. That is the pressure in the cylinder help rings seal to cylinder walls. Thus carbon and other build up can prevent the sealing. My recommendation is to run some diesel purge and do a few lead foot tune ups, then check compression. Note that my worn out OM617 has 250PSI on one cylinder which causes a miss at idle, and car to be a bit slow. It uses/leaks about 2 quarts in 5k miles. I have tried and tried to blow the thing up, but at last it may drive to the bone yard. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 9:38 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update Would a cylinder be able to produce 300psi compression if it had broken rings/cracked pistons/scored cylinder walls??? Remember my compression figures were 300, 300, 380, 335, 360 and the injectors that were coated with carbon the most had the lowest compression. #3 injector was the cleanest, yet dirtier than my 75kmi injectors. Luther ~with that much oil usage, you either have a bad bad leak, broken rings, ~cracked pistons, scored cylinder walls ~ ~Luther Gulseth wrote: ~ With a nearly dry undercarriage, where else could it be going? Not rings, ~ ~ valve guides, or seals. Could have been valve cover baffle, and might be ~ turbo seals. Is there any other place that can loose oil internally? ~ ~ On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:05:32 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ wrote: -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,222 kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: with that much oil usage, you either have a bad bad leak, broken rings, cracked pistons, scored cylinder walls Other than OM603.97 engines with bent rods and elliptical cylinder bores, the only time I've seen qt/200-250 miles was when I had a blown head gasket between the pressure oil port (to the cam) and the #1 cylinder in an OM601.921 engine. It was pumping oil right into the #1 cylinder under pressure and the piston was modulating oil pressure. The oil gauge wiggled with each stroke of the piston. The black clouds you are burping ARE carbon and cleaning them out will reduce the oil consumption, but not enough to count. You'll be lucky if stuck rigs are causing even a qt in 1500-2000 mile loss so your consumption might diminish from a qt in 250 to a qt in 300-400. You have some kind of MAJOR leak or consumption problem like Kaleb says. I have NEVER examined a car where the turbo oil seals had failed. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
I may have missed it but have you checked for valve guides/seals. IIRC it takes a leak down test rather than a compression test to determine if they are bad. The ones in my 91 300CE are bad at 200k and it is buring a quart every 1,000 miles or so. It doesn't have any oil smoke at all, only some soot when punching down to 3rd gear at 80 mph to get on the interstate. My indy wants $1800 to do a full valve job which might as well be done and you have to pull the head on this engine to do valve guides/seals. Alan Duff Knoxville, TN On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 12:04:11 -0500, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Other than OM603.97 engines with bent rods and elliptical cylinder bores, the only time I've seen qt/200-250 miles was when I had a blown head gasket between the pressure oil port (to the cam) and the #1 cylinder in an OM601.921 engine. It was pumping oil right into the #1 cylinder under pressure and the piston was modulating oil pressure. The oil gauge wiggled with each stroke of the piston.
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Alan Duff wrote: I may have missed it but have you checked for valve guides/seals. IIRC it takes a leak down test rather than a compression test to determine if they are bad. The ones in my 91 300CE are bad at 200k and it is buring a quart every 1,000 miles or so. It doesn't have any oil smoke at all, only some soot when punching down to 3rd gear at 80 mph to get on the interstate. My indy wants $1800 to do a full valve job which might as well be done and you have to pull the head on this engine to do valve guides/seals. There is NO test that will detect bad valve guides other than looking at them and wiggling them after unhooking the springs (and possibly cleaning the guide bore with a little lacquer thinner). Takes a little experience to know a good one from a bad one. All a leakdown test can tell you is if the valve are leaking at the seats or the leak is around the piston to cylinder wall seal. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Our dealer had in an infamous w140 350SDL, they told me the turbo was cracked and when hot and only when really hot it would leak oil into the intake and produce *huge* clouds of blue smoke. On 27-Mar-06, at 9:04 AM, Marshall Booth wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: with that much oil usage, you either have a bad bad leak, broken rings, cracked pistons, scored cylinder walls ... I have NEVER examined a car where the turbo oil seals had failed. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi John 1983 300TDt 364k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1990 300TDt 164k Kilometers (mobil 1 Delvac) 1993 500SEL 172k Kilometers (mobil 1 0w40)
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
couple of cans of diesel purge
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Last evening I applied JB Weld to the valve cover baffle gap and swapped
out the injectors with my 74kmi set from the Blue Bomber ('82 300D). 2 of
the 5 were heavily carboned up, and the other 3 weren't all that great.
All 5 of the heat shields were carboned up also. That done, today I
checked/set the valves. Only 2 (4-intake and 3-exhaust) were slightly
loose(less than 1/16 turn), the rest were correct. So I'm thinking that
carbon is the problem here, and the fresher injectors and some VERY hard
driving might cure the compression differences. Hopefully that's causing
the oil usage also. Any thoughs?
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:12:56 -0600, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'll check valves and oil leak next weekend. What about checking the
rear
side of the turbo for oil? How hard is that? What's the proceedure for
the baffle epoxy?
Rear bumper is free of oil.
Luther
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:05:21 -0600, John Berryman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:
What's the next suggestion for diagnosis?
Check for proper valve clearance, then wash the engine real good and
look for fresh oil on the outside. The oil on the pressure side of
the turbo may well be coming from the crankcase breather or the turbo
itself.
There is a baffle inside the valve cover that could have a gap that
needs to be epoxied that can cause an excessive amount of oil to be
picked up by the intake air. I would run a warm compression test
again too and compare with your previous results.
Any oil spots on the rear bumper or trunk area?
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
--
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90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
the putty type would probably work too
archer wrote:
I tried to buy Locktite-NAPA from NAPA but they didn't have it on hand and
didn't have it listed in their catalog. I wonder if 5 minute JB-Weld would
work? It sounds like Randy might have been referring to slow drying
JB-Weld. JB-Weld has worked well for me in many applications, but I haven't
been able to find out if it is oil-proof.
Gerry Archer
83' 240D and 300D
- Original Message -
From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Last evening I applied JB Weld to the valve cover baffle gap and swapped
out the injectors with my 74kmi set from the Blue Bomber ('82 300D). 2
of
the 5 were heavily carboned up, and the other 3 weren't all that great.
All 5 of the heat shields were carboned up also. That done, today I
checked/set the valves. Only 2 (4-intake and 3-exhaust) were slightly
loose(less than 1/16 turn), the rest were correct. So I'm thinking that
carbon is the problem here, and the fresher injectors and some VERY hard
driving might cure the compression differences. Hopefully that's causing
the oil usage also. Any thoughs?
From the late Randy Durrance (a MASTER Mercedes mechanic):
Hi Vic,
This is usually done when the valves get adjusted. Pull the valve
cover
off and look at the front edge of the oil baffle plate where it meets the
inside of the valve cover close to the oil cap and breather. If it has
been
fixed, you'll see a gray epoxy covered area. If it needs fixing, you'll
see
about an eighth inch gap. Clean the area with brake-clean and apply
epoxy.
Don't use RTV. Don't use J-B Weld (it takes too long to dry and will ooze
through the gap. The official stuff was Lock-Tite/NAPA 5-minute epoxy.
It
does an excellent job and is oil resistant. We used to do this at the M-B
dealer in the 1980s. It paid an additional 2 tenths of an hour to do the
job
with a valve adjustment.
Regards,
Randy D.
Marshall
--
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: couple of cans of diesel purge Luther Gulseth wrote: I'll check valves and oil leak next weekend. What about checking the rear side of the turbo for oil? How hard is that? What's the proceedure for the baffle epoxy? Just how much oil are you using? How many qt in how many miles? Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
The CD scared me today coming home from the tournament. I had a full throttle from about 5mph till I merged into 65mph traffic, then a cruise of about 5 miles at or above 65mph in 3rd gear. Then suddenly the engine stuttered/burped. For a second I thought I hit something in the road, or something broke in the suspension. Looked into the rearview mirror and saw a fairly sizeable black cloud floating away from me. Ah, 1 less portion of carbon in my engine! On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 16:23:21 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: Ran it hard on the interstate to and from the tourney. 7 or 8 full throttle starts, 5 up hill. Never let it get out of 3rd gear, keeping the rpms around 4000-4500 and higher. Last fullthrottle start was up the steepest hill within 10 miles of me, reached 80mph/5000rmp1 before the top. In several of the starts, I saw black smoke right before the shift points, hadn't seen that before, only whitish smoke. This is a good sign. At idle, the white smoke is non existant, and barely visible at 3000+ rpm. Not perfect, but progress is being made. Engine speed alone is NOT effective. What's required is high (4000+) engine speed with the engine fully loaded. So if the engine won't go faster at some speed below the no load maximum (which is usually ~5100 rpm) or if the speed is increasing with the pedal to the floor (meaning the engine is pulling as hard as it can under full load) then maximum heat is being generated. This is a condition that will consume the most carbon, fastest! Marshall -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
-
Just this P.M. found Locktite Quick Set High Strength 5 minute epoxy at a
large Ace Hardware store. The store also had Loctite (20 minute?) Epoxy
Putty which was not listed as high strength. The Loctite 5 minute epoxy has
a cured color of yellow and the Locktite Epoxy Putty has a white cured
color, while the original epoxy had a grey color; so these seem to be
different formulas than the Loctite-NAPA. J.B.Kwik has a setting time of 4
minutes.
Gerry Archer
'83 240D and 300D
- Original Message -
From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
the putty type would probably work too
archer wrote:
I tried to buy Locktite-NAPA from NAPA but they didn't have it on hand
and
didn't have it listed in their catalog. I wonder if 5 minute JB-Weld
would
work? It sounds like Randy might have been referring to slow drying
JB-Weld. JB-Weld has worked well for me in many applications, but I
haven't
been able to find out if it is oil-proof.
Gerry Archer
83' 240D and 300D
- Original Message -
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Last evening I applied JB Weld to the valve cover baffle gap and swapped
out the injectors with my 74kmi set from the Blue Bomber ('82 300D). 2
of
the 5 were heavily carboned up, and the other 3 weren't all that great.
All 5 of the heat shields were carboned up also. That done, today I
checked/set the valves. Only 2 (4-intake and 3-exhaust) were slightly
loose(less than 1/16 turn), the rest were correct. So I'm thinking that
carbon is the problem here, and the fresher injectors and some VERY hard
driving might cure the compression differences. Hopefully that's
causing
the oil usage also. Any thoughs?
From the late Randy Durrance (a MASTER Mercedes mechanic):
Hi Vic,
This is usually done when the valves get adjusted. Pull the valve
cover
off and look at the front edge of the oil baffle plate where it meets
the
inside of the valve cover close to the oil cap and breather. If it has
been
fixed, you'll see a gray epoxy covered area. If it needs fixing, you'll
see
about an eighth inch gap. Clean the area with brake-clean and apply
epoxy.
Don't use RTV. Don't use J-B Weld (it takes too long to dry and will
ooze
through the gap. The official stuff was Lock-Tite/NAPA 5-minute epoxy.
It
does an excellent job and is oil resistant. We used to do this at the
M-B
dealer in the 1980s. It paid an additional 2 tenths of an hour to do the
job
with a valve adjustment.
Regards,
Randy D.
Marshall
--
Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions)
der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Good call. Rusty On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 10:40:38 -0600, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: couple of cans of diesel purge -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
1qt/250-300mi. On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:45:34 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: couple of cans of diesel purge Luther Gulseth wrote: I'll check valves and oil leak next weekend. What about checking the rear side of the turbo for oil? How hard is that? What's the proceedure for the baffle epoxy? Just how much oil are you using? How many qt in how many miles? Marshall -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Last evening I applied JB Weld to the valve cover baffle gap and swapped
out the injectors with my 74kmi set from the Blue Bomber ('82 300D). 2 of
the 5 were heavily carboned up, and the other 3 weren't all that great.
All 5 of the heat shields were carboned up also. That done, today I
checked/set the valves. Only 2 (4-intake and 3-exhaust) were slightly
loose(less than 1/16 turn), the rest were correct. So I'm thinking that
carbon is the problem here, and the fresher injectors and some VERY hard
driving might cure the compression differences. Hopefully that's causing
the oil usage also. Any thoughs?
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 20:12:56 -0600, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I'll check valves and oil leak next weekend. What about checking the
rear
side of the turbo for oil? How hard is that? What's the proceedure for
the baffle epoxy?
Rear bumper is free of oil.
Luther
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:05:21 -0600, John Berryman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mar 18, 2006, at 12:48 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote:
What's the next suggestion for diagnosis?
Check for proper valve clearance, then wash the engine real good and
look for fresh oil on the outside. The oil on the pressure side of
the turbo may well be coming from the crankcase breather or the turbo
itself.
There is a baffle inside the valve cover that could have a gap that
needs to be epoxied that can cause an excessive amount of oil to be
picked up by the intake air. I would run a warm compression test
again too and compare with your previous results.
Any oil spots on the rear bumper or trunk area?
Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am
--
Luther KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Last evening I applied JB Weld to the valve cover baffle gap and
swapped
out the injectors with my 74kmi set from the Blue Bomber ('82 300D).
Bad science, in that you won't know _which_ fix made a difference, if
any. But let's hope that there _is_ a difference!
-- Jim
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Bad science, yes. Effecient repairs of 2 known problems, yes. I dislike
having something apart and NOT fixing obvious problems while I'm in
there. I SHOULD have repaired that when I set the valves a couple
thousand miles ago.
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 19:51:09 -0600, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Last evening I applied JB Weld to the valve cover baffle gap and
swapped
out the injectors with my 74kmi set from the Blue Bomber ('82 300D).
Bad science, in that you won't know _which_ fix made a difference, if
any. But let's hope that there _is_ a difference!
-- Jim
--
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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Last evening I applied JB Weld to the valve cover baffle gap and swapped
out the injectors with my 74kmi set from the Blue Bomber ('82 300D). 2 of
the 5 were heavily carboned up, and the other 3 weren't all that great.
All 5 of the heat shields were carboned up also. That done, today I
checked/set the valves. Only 2 (4-intake and 3-exhaust) were slightly
loose(less than 1/16 turn), the rest were correct. So I'm thinking that
carbon is the problem here, and the fresher injectors and some VERY hard
driving might cure the compression differences. Hopefully that's causing
the oil usage also. Any thoughs?
From the late Randy Durrance (a MASTER Mercedes mechanic):
Hi Vic,
This is usually done when the valves get adjusted. Pull the valve cover
off and look at the front edge of the oil baffle plate where it meets the
inside of the valve cover close to the oil cap and breather. If it has been
fixed, you'll see a gray epoxy covered area. If it needs fixing, you'll see
about an eighth inch gap. Clean the area with brake-clean and apply epoxy.
Don't use RTV. Don't use J-B Weld (it takes too long to dry and will ooze
through the gap. The official stuff was Lock-Tite/NAPA 5-minute epoxy. It
does an excellent job and is oil resistant. We used to do this at the M-B
dealer in the 1980s. It paid an additional 2 tenths of an hour to do the job
with a valve adjustment.
Regards,
Randy D.
Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Ugh, did I damage anything? On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 20:47:51 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use RTV. Don't use J-B Weld (it takes too long to dry and will ooze through the gap. The official stuff was Lock-Tite/NAPA 5-minute epoxy. It does an excellent job and is oil resistant. We used to do this at the M-B dealer in the 1980s. It paid an additional 2 tenths of an hour to do the job with a valve adjustment. Regards, Randy D. Marshall -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote: Ugh, did I damage anything? Hard to tell, my crystal ball is foggy! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
I'm sure you'll let us know! On 3/24/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh, did I damage anything? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
I tried to buy Locktite-NAPA from NAPA but they didn't have it on hand and
didn't have it listed in their catalog. I wonder if 5 minute JB-Weld would
work? It sounds like Randy might have been referring to slow drying
JB-Weld. JB-Weld has worked well for me in many applications, but I haven't
been able to find out if it is oil-proof.
Gerry Archer
83' 240D and 300D
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From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Last evening I applied JB Weld to the valve cover baffle gap and swapped
out the injectors with my 74kmi set from the Blue Bomber ('82 300D). 2
of
the 5 were heavily carboned up, and the other 3 weren't all that great.
All 5 of the heat shields were carboned up also. That done, today I
checked/set the valves. Only 2 (4-intake and 3-exhaust) were slightly
loose(less than 1/16 turn), the rest were correct. So I'm thinking that
carbon is the problem here, and the fresher injectors and some VERY hard
driving might cure the compression differences. Hopefully that's causing
the oil usage also. Any thoughs?
From the late Randy Durrance (a MASTER Mercedes mechanic):
Hi Vic,
This is usually done when the valves get adjusted. Pull the valve
cover
off and look at the front edge of the oil baffle plate where it meets the
inside of the valve cover close to the oil cap and breather. If it has
been
fixed, you'll see a gray epoxy covered area. If it needs fixing, you'll
see
about an eighth inch gap. Clean the area with brake-clean and apply
epoxy.
Don't use RTV. Don't use J-B Weld (it takes too long to dry and will ooze
through the gap. The official stuff was Lock-Tite/NAPA 5-minute epoxy.
It
does an excellent job and is oil resistant. We used to do this at the M-B
dealer in the 1980s. It paid an additional 2 tenths of an hour to do the
job
with a valve adjustment.
Regards,
Randy D.
Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Ok, what are the posibilities? On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:31:01 -0600, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: Ugh, did I damage anything? Hard to tell, my crystal ball is foggy! Marshall -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Comfort is an amazing thing. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 21:34:29 -0600, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure you'll let us know! On 3/24/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ugh, did I damage anything? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
It will still leak? The JB Weld will fall off due to the oil and land in the sump (or somewhere else)? On 3/24/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, what are the posibilities? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
On Mar 24, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Hopefully that's causing the oil usage also. Any thoughs? The things you're doing can't hurt but with the oil consumption figures you mention there should be something real obvious. Have you cleaned the engine and checked for fresh oil cascading over it yet? You may improve power and economy with new injectors and carbon can cause rings to stick. I still think you have a major leak, which may be the turbo if you're not seeing pooled oil under the car or oil coating the undercarriage. Have you re-checked compression? Sorry if you mentioned all this recently, I was in Manhattan working most of the week and deleted several hundred messages on my return. I also realized that we can really keep a thread alive even ridiculous ones and worse, political crap. I move to generate another list just for political arguments and off topic stuff. Something not quite as harsh as banned so those that don't want to read profanity and view possibly offending links can have a place to go besides church. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Haven't re-checked compression yet. I'm going to drive the car in 3rd this week (2nd under 35mph) keeping the rpms above 3500-4000 (got some interstate driving to do) and rid it of the carbon. Maybe Thursday evening I can re-check the compression. I'll also try to check the rear of the turbo then too. Meanwhile, I have a bowling tournament today and tomorrow that'll keep me busy. 2nd largest in the nation, only nationals is bigger. Luther On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 07:33:06 -0600, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 8:35 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Hopefully that's causing the oil usage also. Any thoughs? The things you're doing can't hurt but with the oil consumption figures you mention there should be something real obvious. Have you cleaned the engine and checked for fresh oil cascading over it yet? You may improve power and economy with new injectors and carbon can cause rings to stick. I still think you have a major leak, which may be the turbo if you're not seeing pooled oil under the car or oil coating the undercarriage. Have you re-checked compression? Sorry if you mentioned all this recently, I was in Manhattan working most of the week and deleted several hundred messages on my return. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Don't use RTV. Don't use J-B Weld (it takes too long to dry and will ooze through the gap. The official stuff was Lock-Tite/NAPA 5-minute epoxy. It does an excellent job and is oil resistant. We used to do this at the M-B dealer in the 1980s. It paid an additional 2 tenths of an hour to do the job with a valve adjustment. Regards, Randy D. Marshall If you used JB-Weld and let it set-up, it is doubtful that you did any damage. RTV silicone is a no-no although I have removed it from many valve covers and it seemed to be all there. It can plug oil passages. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
It set overnight on the engine. I doubt that any went the wrong direction into the baffle. I don't feel so bad now. I'll use J-B Quick next time though. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 08:41:55 -0600, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 24, 2006, at 10:23 PM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Don't use RTV. Don't use J-B Weld (it takes too long to dry and will ooze through the gap. The official stuff was Lock-Tite/NAPA 5-minute epoxy. It does an excellent job and is oil resistant. We used to do this at the M-B dealer in the 1980s. It paid an additional 2 tenths of an hour to do the job with a valve adjustment. Regards, Randy D. Marshall If you used JB-Weld and let it set-up, it is doubtful that you did any damage. RTV silicone is a no-no although I have removed it from many valve covers and it seemed to be all there. It can plug oil passages. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
On Mar 25, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Luther Gulseth wrote: Haven't re-checked compression yet. I'm going to drive the car in 3rd this week (2nd under 35mph) keeping the rpms above 3500-4000 (got some interstate driving to do) and rid it of the carbon. Maybe Thursday evening I can re-check the compression. I'll also try to check the rear of the turbo then too. Meanwhile, I have a bowling tournament today and tomorrow that'll keep me busy. 2nd largest in the nation, only nationals is bigger. Luther Good luck at the tourney. I'll be looking for your update later this week. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage
Here is a source for the Loctite epoxy. NAPA does not list it on their =
website or have it in their stores.
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Mfr#: 21427
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83' 240D and 300D
- Original Message - =
From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Last evening I applied JB Weld to the valve cover baffle gap and swapped
out the injectors with my 74kmi set from the Blue Bomber ('82 300D). 2 =
of
the 5 were heavily carboned up, and the other 3 weren't all that great.
All 5 of the heat shields were carboned up also. That done, today I
checked/set the valves. Only 2 (4-intake and 3-exhaust) were slightly
loose(less than 1/16 turn), the rest were correct. So I'm thinking that
carbon is the problem here, and the fresher injectors and some VERY hard
driving might cure the compression differences. Hopefully that's =
causing
the oil usage also. Any thoughs?
From the late Randy Durrance (a MASTER Mercedes mechanic):
Hi Vic,
This is usually done when the valves get adjusted. Pull the valve =
cover
off and look at the front edge of the oil baffle plate where it meets =
the
inside of the valve cover close to the oil cap and breather. If it has =
been
fixed, you'll see a gray epoxy covered area. If it needs fixing, you'll =
see
about an eighth inch gap. Clean the area with brake-clean and apply =
epoxy.
Don't use RTV. Don't use J-B Weld (it takes too long to dry and will =
ooze
through the gap. The official stuff was Lock-Tite/NAPA 5-minute epoxy. =
It
does an excellent job and is oil resistant. We used to do this at the =
M-B
dealer in the 1980s. It paid an additional 2 tenths of an hour to do th=
e =
job
with a valve adjustment.
Regards,
Randy D.
Marshall
-- =
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der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi
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Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Ran it hard on the interstate to and from the tourney. 7 or 8 full throttle starts, 5 up hill. Never let it get out of 3rd gear, keeping the rpms around 4000-4500 and higher. Last fullthrottle start was up the steepest hill within 10 miles of me, reached 80mph/5000rmp1 before the top. In several of the starts, I saw black smoke right before the shift points, hadn't seen that before, only whitish smoke. This is a good sign. At idle, the white smoke is non existant, and barely visible at 3000+ rpm. Not perfect, but progress is being made. On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 09:28:33 -0600, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck at the tourney. I'll be looking for your update later this week. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (231,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (159,xxx kmi) '82 300D (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote: Ran it hard on the interstate to and from the tourney. 7 or 8 full throttle starts, 5 up hill. Never let it get out of 3rd gear, keeping the rpms around 4000-4500 and higher. Last fullthrottle start was up the steepest hill within 10 miles of me, reached 80mph/5000rmp1 before the top. In several of the starts, I saw black smoke right before the shift points, hadn't seen that before, only whitish smoke. This is a good sign. At idle, the white smoke is non existant, and barely visible at 3000+ rpm. Not perfect, but progress is being made. Engine speed alone is NOT effective. What's required is high (4000+) engine speed with the engine fully loaded. So if the engine won't go faster at some speed below the no load maximum (which is usually ~5100 rpm) or if the speed is increasing with the pedal to the floor (meaning the engine is pulling as hard as it can under full load) then maximum heat is being generated. This is a condition that will consume the most carbon, fastest! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
you wrote:then maximum heat is being generated
Am I correct in assuming this process will go faster in the heat of summer.
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] '82 300CD excessive oil usage-update
Luther Gulseth wrote:
Ran it hard on the interstate to and from the tourney. 7 or 8 full
throttle starts, 5 up hill. Never let it get out of 3rd gear, keeping
the
rpms around 4000-4500 and higher. Last fullthrottle start was up the
steepest hill within 10 miles of me, reached 80mph/5000rmp1 before the
top. In several of the starts, I saw black smoke right before the shift
points, hadn't seen that before, only whitish smoke. This is a good
sign. At idle, the white smoke is non existant, and barely visible at
3000+ rpm. Not perfect, but progress is being made.
Engine speed alone is NOT effective. What's required is high (4000+)
engine speed with the engine fully loaded. So if the engine won't go
faster at some speed below the no load maximum (which is usually ~5100
rpm) or if the speed is increasing with the pedal to the floor (meaning
the engine is pulling as hard as it can under full load) then maximum
heat is being generated. This is a condition that will consume the most
carbon, fastest!
Marshall
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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5
turbo 237kmi
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