Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART
On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. Sort of like having an old Chevy? Randy When the Smart came out with its poor numbers, and a Mercedes built car began rolling over on sharp turns, was when it became obvious that Mercedes had lost it's way. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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2000 Jetta TDI did 50-55 MPG On Saturday, June 29, 2013, Gerry Archer wrote: On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. Sort of like having an old Chevy? Randy When the Smart came out with its poor numbers, and a Mercedes built car began rolling over on sharp turns, was when it became obvious that Mercedes had lost it's way. Gerry __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: I got 28 to 32 mpg in my 1962 190Dc! FORTY years ago! A 5 seat sedan. No A/c but i could set the heat seperately right or left. I could set the fan speed anywhere I wanted it, and the NAcc always worked! My mom's 62 Rambler did it on gasoline. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Any time someone mentions a Smart, I think back to the BMW Isetta which was somewhat smaller than the Smart. They were popular with some students at the university until one came down Main Street going pretty fast, hit a curb (someone said), and went airborne; landing on the other side of of a cross street. Never heard how the occupants faired, but the cab looked fairly intact in a newspaper picture. http://www.microcar.org/carspecs/bmwisetta300.html Gerry From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com They are surprisingly fun to drive. Seats are firm, you sit high, and they are peppy and handle nimbly. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one 2-3yo was more than a new Focus I looked at. --R On 6/26/13 6:12 PM, OK Don wrote: The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2242 / Virus Database: 3204/5943 - Release Date: 06/26/13 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: They are surprisingly fun to drive. Seats are firm, you sit high, and they are peppy and handle nimbly. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one 2-3yo was more than a new Focus I looked at. --R On 6/26/13 6:12 PM, OK Don wrote: The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Any time someone mentions a Smart, I think back to the BMW Isetta which was somewhat smaller than the Smart. They were popular with some students at the university until one came down Main Street going pretty fast, hit a curb (someone said), and went airborne; landing on the other side of of a cross street. Never heard how the occupants faired, but the cab looked fairly intact in a newspaper picture. http://www.microcar.org/carspecs/bmwisetta300.html Gerry Isettas were cool. My dad almost bought one. I stopped in at Grassroots BMW this spring, and they have a very nice early isetta in the showroom along with an R27 and a nice R60/2 amongst the new stuff that is not the least bit attractive. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Are we talking about the same car? The one time I drove a Smart I felt like I was in a phone booth on wheels. I expected it to feel like a VW Microbus with nothing behind the front seats, but it wasn't half as roomy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That was a different, crappy Smart. The good ones are very roomy and fun to drive. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Are we talking about the same car? The one time I drove a Smart I felt like I was in a phone booth on wheels. I expected it to feel like a VW Microbus with nothing behind the front seats, but it wasn't half as roomy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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He must have driven the Remedial --R On 6/27/13 10:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: That was a different, crappy Smart. The good ones are very roomy and fun to drive. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:21 AM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: The passenger compartment is also surprisingly roomy. Are we talking about the same car? The one time I drove a Smart I felt like I was in a phone booth on wheels. I expected it to feel like a VW Microbus with nothing behind the front seats, but it wasn't half as roomy. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. I think I'll wait! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maintenance costs are tiny, though. The 10K servicing cost like $150. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. I think I'll wait! -- Jim __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 27, 2013 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in the USA. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... I think I would rather have a Prius if it came to that. The cab drivers around here say you cannot wear them out. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jun 27, 2013 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in the USA. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No not a Prius. That's a tree hugger pussymobile! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... I think I would rather have a Prius if it came to that. The cab drivers around here say you cannot wear them out. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And an electric Smart car is not Randy On 27/06/2013 1:13 PM, dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: No not a Prius. That's a tree hugger pussymobile! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 27, 2013, at 12:40 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... I think I would rather have a Prius if it came to that. The cab drivers around here say you cannot wear them out. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Electric cars make a lot of sense if you have a short commute and can keep another car around for longer drives. We've oft considered one for Angie's 20 mile round trip. Keep the pickup and a diesel car for me, electric for her. If she needs to go farther she could take the pickup. We could probably even convince the people she rents space from to put in an outside outlet for her, it would be good PR for the office. -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:40:11 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: 51cc6aeb.1000...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 27/06/2013 11:14 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The Smart Electric is coming, tough. I may have to give that serious consideration if I sell my white wagon... I think I would rather have a Prius if it came to that. The cab drivers around here say you cannot wear them out. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So buy a cheap Hyundai with the long warranty, get better fuel economy, more room, etc. though parking might be marginally more difficult. Even the Foci are reported to have minimal maintenance requirements, and a new one of those (or Fiestae) is cheaper, bigger, better fuel, etc. The Smart is not so smart by any objective measure, or combination thereof. BTW have you ever been to Busboys and Poets? I had brunch there when I was in town, was pretty good, and an interesting crowd. --R On 6/27/13 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I've eaten at both of them. My son likes their vegan options. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So buy a cheap Hyundai with the long warranty, get better fuel economy, more room, etc. though parking might be marginally more difficult. Even the Foci are reported to have minimal maintenance requirements, and a new one of those (or Fiestae) is cheaper, bigger, better fuel, etc. The Smart is not so smart by any objective measure, or combination thereof. BTW have you ever been to Busboys and Poets? I had brunch there when I was in town, was pretty good, and an interesting crowd. --R On 6/27/13 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tAsuF3yrifPAMFMKkQDrpU**X8Ng-tFomkJqBdEtGA_H5g@mail.** gmail.com tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! __**__ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 27/06/2013 1:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. Sort of like having an old Chevy? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in the USA. I saw a TV ad (!) for a diesel (!) Chevy (!) Cruze. Given the amount of TV I've seen this year they must be running it pretty heavily. Seems like it could be interesting, hope they don't price it into oblivion to pay for all that ad space. Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Does anyone know the long-term issues of the batteries in these cars? When will the battery require replacement? What does that cost? What are the environmental issues in battery recycling/disposal? Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 2:38 PM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Electric cars make a lot of sense if you have a short commute and can keep another car around for longer drives. We've oft considered one for Angie's 20 mile round trip. Keep the pickup and a diesel car for me, electric for her. If she needs to go farther she could take the pickup. We could probably even convince the people she rents space from to put in an outside outlet for her, it would be good PR for the office. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Does anyone know the long-term issues of the batteries in these cars? When will the battery require replacement? What does that cost? What are the I don't know specifically for the newer cars, but per the folks who have done manual conversions: http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/evdl-real-world-lithium-battery-lifespani-72611.html TL;DR 10 years or 100Kmi, they were looking at $6K-$8K for retail lithium prices last year. Note that they aren't doing engine oil/belt/etc. changes and so on (since they are just turning everything directly) so that is the primary maintenance cost for a true EV. Most conversions have transmissions and therefore normal transmission maintenance, I'm not sure about true manufactured EVs. environmental issues in battery recycling/disposal? Meh, who cares about the environment? :) Seriously, the electric motor is much more efficient at getting power to the wheels, and big power plants are more efficient than little ones. There was a study (I posted it a long time ago, in the archives) where a Swiss group found that EVs were slightly worse than IC engines, as long as you account for the environmental impact of mining battery materials and making and disposing of the batteries, assume all power is generated by 1980s coal plants, and do not account for the environmental impact of drilling for and refining oil. I figure that means EVs are overall a net positive environmentally, though to be honest my primary interest has been in the wallet benefit (hence I have not yet bought one). Best, -Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah right. That just means yours is so new it hasn't had anything fail yet. Any new car should get through 3 years with basically no costs other than fuel and washer fluid. VW does all the maintenance for the first 3 years so you don't even pay for oil changes. -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 14:39:00 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=uLeYxKSC-FZhJhLBMsft3eKe4EEnVg0R09noT=xcu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The measure where the Smart wins is cute, though that one is in the eye of the beholder --- On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: So buy a cheap Hyundai with the long warranty, get better fuel economy, more room, etc. though parking might be marginally more difficult. Even the Foci are reported to have minimal maintenance requirements, and a new one of those (or Fiestae) is cheaper, bigger, better fuel, etc. The Smart is not so smart by any objective measure, or combination thereof. -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 27, 2013 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. I don't understand why Smart parts should be any cheaper than parts for any other modern Mercedes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Because they are proportionately smaller. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:52 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Jun 27, 2013 11:39 AM, Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. I don't understand why Smart parts should be any cheaper than parts for any other modern Mercedes. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That hyundai-eh coverage is not all it seems cracked up to be. SWMBA got suckered into paying for some extended edition and it does not really provide all that much. Better to just set the thing on fire when it fails, since what is going bad are items not covered by that power train thing clay On Jun 27, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: So buy a cheap Hyundai with the long warranty, get better fuel economy, more room, etc. though parking might be marginally more difficult. Even the Foci are reported to have minimal maintenance requirements, and a new one of those (or Fiestae) is cheaper, bigger, better fuel, etc. The Smart is not so smart by any objective measure, or combination thereof. BTW have you ever been to Busboys and Poets? I had brunch there when I was in town, was pretty good, and an interesting crowd. --R On 6/27/13 2:39 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: The savings in the Smart are in its low maintenace cost and cheap OEM parts, which are all so small/insignificcant that they cost nearly nothing. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 11:08:46 -0400 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? SMART Message-ID: CAC35L=tasuf3yrifpamfmkkqdrpux8ng-tfomkjqbdetga_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: We see a lot of them here, even passing us at over 70 on the interstates. If they got better mileage than the Passat, we would have considered one, but the Passat is three times the size -- -- -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 27, 2013 8:17 AM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: Fuel economy is not spectacular, around 28 mpg in-town using high test. So, right around what you get in an SDL. Something that size ought to be 38, or 48. The diesel Smart gets 50+ mpg; of course they don't sell that one in the USA. Alex Ho hum. Diesel escort did that 50+ MPG fully loaded at 70 mph 30 years ago. so did the dissel wabbit, and both seated 4 adults and luggage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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BZZZTTT! Wrong, 28mpg in a car that size that requires premium SUCKS. For basically the same money you could have Ford Fiesta, use regular gas and get BETTER highway mileage while having twice the car... -Curt Hear hear! I got 28 to 32 mpg in my 1962 190Dc! FORTY years ago! A 5 seat sedan. No A/c but i could set the heat seperately right or left. I could set the fan speed anywhere I wanted it, and the NAcc always worked! a freakin Smart oughta get 40 on benzin or kerosene and 65 or better on Diesel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 25, 2013 10:49 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is such a shame because the front of 124, 126 and all earlier MB looked great, and were so often emulated. I have to agree. I don't understand the current M-B styling motif, especially the front ends. Compare it especially to the other German makes. A new BMW 3-series coupe has objectively almost nothing in common with an old 2002, and yet if you look at them side by side there is an undeniable family resemblance. Same with a new VW Golf next to an old Rabbit. The Germans used to be the best at maintaining that styling lineage, but M-B somehow has lost their way. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was a post on the MBCA forums recently complaining about a torn seam in a 2010 C- class driver's seat. The current interiors will never match the older cars in durability. I did a quality comparison some months ago of MB vs BMW interiors- basically I was dealer hopping. The BMW interiors were of much higher quality. Mercedes is no longer on its game. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:12 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 25, 2013 1:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: MB is advertising $199/mo leases for the cheap class. Not so cheap anymore. I rode a few days ago in the newest MB I've been in, a 2011 C350, and I was amazed at the quality of the interior. All the surfaces felt and looked luxurious. No nasty dollar store hard plastic anywhere. If they wear as well as the old interiors (in a W126, say) I think MB has definitely put their early-00s quality problems behind them. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a 02 S430 getting PPI today. Drove up to the shop to pick up seller, and I initially wondered why there was a oriental car parked in front of the shop. It was the W220. That was a shock. clay On Jun 25, 2013, at 11:09 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Jun 25, 2013 10:49 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: It is such a shame because the front of 124, 126 and all earlier MB looked great, and were so often emulated. I have to agree. I don't understand the current M-B styling motif, especially the front ends. Compare it especially to the other German makes. A new BMW 3-series coupe has objectively almost nothing in common with an old 2002, and yet if you look at them side by side there is an undeniable family resemblance. Same with a new VW Golf next to an old Rabbit. The Germans used to be the best at maintaining that styling lineage, but M-B somehow has lost their way. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a 02 S430 getting PPI today. Drove up to the shop to pick up seller, and I initially wondered why there was a oriental car parked in front of the shop. It was the W220. That was a shock. clay Well i believe the oriental cars are knock-off of the MB has been the case in the past. But there is no 1990 + car that looks good to me. I like the looks of form follows function design as opposed to function is shoehorned into form. old landtovers, classic MBs, the original Bantam (design that Willys stole for the GP army vehicle) come to mind as form follows function. Even a WWII 6x6 is an honest design. I love the visibility of 110/111/111. It carried over to 108/109 then to 114/115/116/123 in the 124 and 126, the rear visibility was starting to go away. Every newer design has gotten worse. All car makers smoke the same socks. Not one is free thinking. One good thing about the ugly hyundais, is that they did not copy every design element. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bruno Sacco design instead of the new wind tunnel lemon head egg shapes. Sort of Ruebenesque clay I might put a star on SWMBA hyundai and see if anybody notices On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Dieselhead wrote: I have a 02 S430 getting PPI today. Drove up to the shop to pick up seller, and I initially wondered why there was a oriental car parked in front of the shop. It was the W220. That was a shock. clay Well i believe the oriental cars are knock-off of the MB has been the case in the past. But there is no 1990 + car that looks good to me. I like the looks of form follows function design as opposed to function is shoehorned into form. old landtovers, classic MBs, the original Bantam (design that Willys stole for the GP army vehicle) come to mind as form follows function. Even a WWII 6x6 is an honest design. I love the visibility of 110/111/111. It carried over to 108/109 then to 114/115/116/123 in the 124 and 126, the rear visibility was starting to go away. Every newer design has gotten worse. All car makers smoke the same socks. Not one is free thinking. One good thing about the ugly hyundais, is that they did not copy every design element. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Huh? I think there are enough carry over exterior design elements on the W220 (especially before the redesign), that it is still recognizable as a Mercedes. The same person that designed your W124, oversaw the design of the W220 after all (yes, Bruno Sacco). Prefer the early W220 myself (styling wise), with the opaque headlights, ribbed taillights rounded console buttons. But 2006 was the only year you could get a 6cyl W220 (S350, SWB) here in the US. Let us know how the PPI goes! :-) On 6/26/2013 2:27 PM, clay wrote: I have a 02 S430 getting PPI today. Drove up to the shop to pick up seller, and I initially wondered why there was a oriental car parked in front of the shop. It was the W220. That was a shock. clay -- Chris J. MBCA Peachtree section Past MB Models: '85 190D 2.2, '94 E420, '87 260E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:47:37 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: a06240803cdf0e59d0684@[192.168.0.102] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed I have a 02 S430 getting PPI today. Drove up to the shop to pick up seller, and I initially wondered why there was a oriental car parked in front of the shop. It was the W220. That was a shock. clay Well i believe the oriental cars are knock-off of the MB has been the case in the past. But there is no 1990 + car that looks good to me. I like the looks of form follows function design as opposed to function is shoehorned into form. old landtovers, classic MBs, the original Bantam (design that Willys stole for the GP army vehicle) come to mind as form follows function. Even a WWII 6x6 is an honest design. I love the visibility of 110/111/111. It carried over to 108/109 then to 114/115/116/123 in the 124 and 126, the rear visibility was starting to go away. Every newer design has gotten worse. All car makers smoke the same socks. Not one is free thinking. One good thing about the ugly hyundais, is that they did not copy every design element. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt -- OK Don 2013 F150, 19 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 45 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one 2-3yo was more than a new Focus I looked at. --R On 6/26/13 6:12 PM, OK Don wrote: The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They are surprisingly fun to drive. Seats are firm, you sit high, and they are peppy and handle nimbly. On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I have seen a couple of them for sale used. For a little go-kart they are might dear. A used one 2-3yo was more than a new Focus I looked at. --R On 6/26/13 6:12 PM, OK Don wrote: The Smart was designed by Swatch, who brought in MB for manufacturing assistance, tehn sold the whole thing to MB. The Mini is another one that is different On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I would posit that the Smart car is a fairly innovative design. Is it the right car for everybody? No but for people in the city that can't get where they need to go through public transport it fills a need. The Fiat 500, love it or hate it, is also different looking. -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Smart thinking. I have a friend who had an A4 2002 Jetta TDI. Doing the timing belt required removing a good portion of the front of the car, from what he said. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If I were to buy an older car I'd lean toward an A3 for this reason... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The wabbit was a whole lot easier to change timing belt on than the frod escort diesel. I am SOO happy to only have MB diesels again. Changing a timing chain on an MB is easiest of all. (yes, you have to be meticulous, but any engine work needs to be meticulous) MB is advertising $199/mo leases for the cheap class. What happened to the bowtie guys thinking that the US market is ONLY FOR luxury cars did they change their mind? Smart thinking. I have a friend who had an A4 2002 Jetta TDI. Doing the timing belt required removing a good portion of the front of the car, from what he said. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 1:56 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: If I were to buy an older car I'd lean toward an A3 for this reason... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 25, 2013 1:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: MB is advertising $199/mo leases for the cheap class. Not so cheap anymore. I rode a few days ago in the newest MB I've been in, a 2011 C350, and I was amazed at the quality of the interior. All the surfaces felt and looked luxurious. No nasty dollar store hard plastic anywhere. If they wear as well as the old interiors (in a W126, say) I think MB has definitely put their early-00s quality problems behind them. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Jun 25, 2013 1:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: MB is advertising $199/mo leases for the cheap class. Not so cheap anymore. I rode a few days ago in the newest MB I've been in, a 2011 C350, and I was amazed at the quality of the interior. All the surfaces felt and looked luxurious. No nasty dollar store hard plastic anywhere. If they wear as well as the old interiors (in a W126, say) I think MB has definitely put their early-00s quality problems behind them. Alex that is good. but they cynical side of me sez that makes it a fancy hyundy: Nice car, but gly! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I concur. I am going to have to wait out for a long while future purchases until DBAG reworks the design ethic they have. I am pretty sure I could stick a star on the hood of SWMBA car and 80% of people would have no idea it was not German. clay On Jun 25, 2013, at 2:40 PM, Dieselhead wrote: On Jun 25, 2013 1:55 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: MB is advertising $199/mo leases for the cheap class. Not so cheap anymore. I rode a few days ago in the newest MB I've been in, a 2011 C350, and I was amazed at the quality of the interior. All the surfaces felt and looked luxurious. No nasty dollar store hard plastic anywhere. If they wear as well as the old interiors (in a W126, say) I think MB has definitely put their early-00s quality problems behind them. Alex that is good. but they cynical side of me sez that makes it a fancy hyundy: Nice car, but gly! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com MB is advertising $199/mo leases for the cheap class. What happened to the bowtie guys thinking that the US market is ONLY FOR luxury cars did they change their mind? Article said MB profits are 'way down since the Chinese economy went into recession and the newly rich Chinese quit buying luxury cars by the shipload. MB is still profitable according to the article, but not like they were previously. They may be selling/leasing cars wherever they can. Took a ride in a new C model loaner from a dealer and wasn't impressed with its ride or handling, but then that's just my opinion. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I concur. I am going to have to wait out for a long while future purchases until DBAG reworks the design ethic they have. I am pretty sure I could stick a star on the hood of SWMBA car and 80% of people would have no idea it was not German. clay Parked my heap next to a SL550 today at the PO. I didn't realize until he pulled out while giving my car the evil eye that it was an SL and not a cheap class. The heap runs great now. Starts right up with new glow plugs. Idles smooth now, so it must have had leaking DV seals. Took it on a little road trip today. It is a dream to drive a 126 on the road! It is sad when the high end sports car is undistinguishable from the low end model. Maybe the cheap class look much better form the driver's seat. For sure the back end looks way better than the childish front end. It is such a shame because the front of 124, 126 and all earlier MB looked great, and were so often emulated. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I beg to differ. Just did the job on my 2001 Beetle (Jetta 1.9L is identical). Parts kit, incl. water pump: $ 280 Special tools: $ 140 Labor: 6 hrs if one did it already (my Indy did it for $ 400 flat). On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably another hour or so. I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic. -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:30:52 -0500 From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: caojz3l_vrztfbgyntopwpcdnlhg1raoinmwjhygp5uzbemg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $ 800. It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner idlers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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FYI - Kiplinger's: 12 'Best in Class' car values for 2013 Cars $20,000 - $25,000: Volkswagen Jetta TDI *Sticker price*: $23,785 (manual) *Invoice price*: $22,866 *TrueCar national average price*: $22,873 *Resale value*: 3-year: 59%; 5-year: 44% *MPG*: City: 30; Hwy: 42 Volkswagen's compact sedanhttp://kiplinger.com/tool/cars/T011-S001-2012-new-car-rankings-compare-costs-performance-da/index.php?kip_id=CARS2025-157is firing on all four cylinders. It has generous interior room (38 inches of rear legroom) and cargo space (its 16 cubic feet rivals the space in midsize models), high resale values, and German driving dynamics. The TDI's 2.0-liter turbocharged diesel engine gets stellar fuel economy and produces 236 pound-feet of torque to get you off the line fast. Cars $50,000 and Over: Mercedes Benz E-Class *Sticker price*: $53,105 (E350 Sport BlueTec) *Invoice price*: $49,451 *TrueCar national average price*: $49,521 *Resale value*: 3-year: 53%; 5-year: 36% *MPG*: City: 22; Hwy: 32 The E-Classhttp://autos.msn.com/research/vip/default.aspx?make=Mercedes-Benzmodel=E-Classkeeps its crown for the second year in a row, with high resale values, luxurious appointments and a diesel engine that puts out a hefty 400 lb-ft of torque. Mercedes http://autos.msn.com/browse/Mercedes-Benz.aspx is serious about safety — Attention Assist (which monitors drivers for drowsiness) and the PRE-SAFE collision-preparation system (which tightens seat belts and rolls up windows if an impending accident is detected) are standard, along with nine airbags. -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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*Sigh* Is it just me or does nobody seem to read the posts anymore? '98 is an A3 car, your '01 is an A4 car, they're NOT THE SAME. Timing belt with tensioner etc for a '98 is about $150, water pump for same is $35. The special tools are another $140 for the A3 or $250 if you want tools to work on the A4 also. It looks like you got a good price on parts, the places I'm looking show the A4 bug parts at over $300. If I were to buy an older car I'd lean toward an A3 for this reason... -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 09:27:25 -0500 From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: caojz3l-kj8cj8jzdpmf5r-picpgc1ff9isbjkjdefwkpahg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I beg to differ. Just did the job on my 2001 Beetle (Jetta 1.9L is identical). Parts kit, incl. water pump: $ 280 Special tools: $ 140 Labor: 6 hrs if one did it already (my Indy did it for $ 400 flat). On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably another hour or so. I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If I had the cash I'd already have bought a new TDI. The problem is the cash... We're working on refinancing the house. Right now it looks like that'll free up just about $200/mo. If I stop paying ahead on the house (which will make sense with the lower interest rate) for awhile I'll be able to afford a new car. Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the extra money to make a nice down payment on a new car in maybe 2 years and not have to mortgage my soul so bad. -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 10:22:29 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: canzcij8wwkuqwq2zrhm4eynvaum2l61cekykp5kztksnjpq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 FYI - Kiplinger's: 12 'Best in Class' car values for 2013 Cars $20,000 - $25,000: Volkswagen Jetta TDI *Sticker price*: $23,785 (manual) *Invoice price*: $22,866 *TrueCar national average price*: $22,873 *Resale value*: 3-year: 59%; 5-year: 44% *MPG*: City: 30; Hwy: 42 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the extra money to make a nice down payment on a new car in maybe 2 years and not have to mortgage my soul so bad. Not mortgaging your soul is a good idea. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 24/06/2013 5:54 PM, Craig wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the extra money to make a nice down payment on a new car in maybe 2 years and not have to mortgage my soul so bad. Not mortgaging your soul is a good idea. Craig ___ You also avoid things like much higher insurance costs on a new car. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Speaking of tdi I drove a jetta tdi today, 2012 with manny Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the extra money to make a nice down payment on a new car in maybe 2 years and not have to mortgage my soul so bad. Not mortgaging your soul is a good idea. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:24:41 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Speaking of tdi I drove a jetta tdi today, 2012 with manny So what did you think? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It was not a Mercedes that's for sure Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:24:41 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Speaking of tdi I drove a jetta tdi today, 2012 with manny So what did you think? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did you have the chance to take it on any hills? I did and was amazed when the shift indicator kept suggesting I shift up. Here I am loafing along at 50mph in 4th and it really wants to be in 6th. Now its at like 1800rpm and I'm thinking theres no way this thing can accelerate up the hills of southern Vermont like this but sonofa it sure can... Torque makes me smile. -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:24:41 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: 7bdb2478-f63e-4776-8944-d569db69c...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking of tdi I drove a jetta tdi today, 2012 with manny Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the extra money to make a nice down payment on a new car in maybe 2 years and not have to mortgage my soul so bad. Not mortgaging your soul is a good idea. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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No I just drove it around the dealers (customer) lot. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Did you have the chance to take it on any hills? I did and was amazed when the shift indicator kept suggesting I shift up. Here I am loafing along at 50mph in 4th and it really wants to be in 6th. Now its at like 1800rpm and I'm thinking theres no way this thing can accelerate up the hills of southern Vermont like this but sonofa it sure can... Torque makes me smile. -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:24:41 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: 7bdb2478-f63e-4776-8944-d569db69c...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii Speaking of tdi I drove a jetta tdi today, 2012 with manny Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 11:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the extra money to make a nice down payment on a new car in maybe 2 years and not have to mortgage my soul so bad. Not mortgaging your soul is a good idea. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would be a little interested. SWMBA and I spent yesterday hunting down an E300 replacement. Checked a few diesels. They were turds. I guess the people that hold onto them, take care, but the ones for sale this month were rode hard, put away wet, and rarely saw a loving hand. Looks like a may have a w220 on the hook. All I need to figure out is how to fit the OM606 NA in with all the computer junk under the hood and dash clay 1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers On Jun 22, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite! I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 18:51:04 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: It was not a Mercedes that's for sure A nice, definitive, technical description :-) So what did you think? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You wouldn't be able to tell much until you got it out on the road. One other thing impressed me because I didn't notice it, thats torque steer. Even when really getting into it there was none of that shudder through the steering wheel you get in most FWD cars. -Curt Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 20:09:26 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: 54cc2e93-b349-459c-af2b-6229275bc...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No I just drove it around the dealers (customer) lot. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I like my fleabay clunker junker. 425k+ mile 300SDL I did find the missing spring on Saturday. Idles smoother now, so it must have had a bad delivery valve seal. 6 new GPs, and viton orings in the IP. I freed up the hood latched in B100 fuel, and put them back in. checked the latch/release a few times. Works great, so I put the grille back on. Looks way better now. Next is to install a used ball joint on whichever is bad. Total cost is under $1k. Starts great, sounds great. Needs trans fluid and filter, and trans adjustment, but works great for a gotowork beater. Rusty but trusty. Curt, what about finding a used engine for your 240D, or a used head? One in Lynn, MA for $100 That and a headset is less than one month car payment. My understanding is that the rest of the car is ok/decent shape. If I had the cash I'd already have bought a new TDI. The problem is the cash... We're working on refinancing the house. Right now it looks like that'll free up just about $200/mo. If I stop paying ahead on the house (which will make sense with the lower interest rate) for awhile I'll be able to afford a new car. Still I'm thinking to buy another old clunker and save the extra money to make a nice down payment on a new car in maybe 2 years and not have to mortgage my soul so bad. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alex Chamberlain wrote: Or will there always be some out there, like Wilton's 350SDL, that just don't show the symptoms and will always be an unknown quantity? I thought Wilton's 350 had a valve job, milled head, and new head gasket? Or is that Walt Lasher? No, I think Walt has a crate engine. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $ 800. It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner idlers. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U Looks like a new replacement is $600+, used more like $300. The car was advertised at $3500, I got him down to $3000. I figure all the other issues its got, together, come to around $700 which includes the timing belt and a replacement radio. I wonder if telling him the turbo whine is real bad will make a difference? -Curt --- On Sat, 6/22/13, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Any TDI folks here? To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, June 22, 2013, 2:10 PM Anybody here got any experience with a Jetta TDI? I went to look at a '98 today, 177,xxx miles. Its got a bunch of little issues but seems fundamentally sound. The only thing I wondered about is a bit of turbo whine when you really get into it. I didn't spend enough time looking at the intake plumbing but the turbo seems to definitely whistle and I'm a little nervous that means a bad turbo. On the bad side the guy has a folder full of records that doesn't include a timing belt so I'd definitely be doing that immediately. I watched a Youtube video of the process and it looks pretty easy, certainly easier than a headgasket on a 240D. It also needs the parking brake sorted, the front turn signals don't work and the high beam switch doesn't stay on. Like I said, nothing too major. On the plus it has ICE COLD AC. ;) -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Katy, TX '82 300SD '01 VW New Beetle 1.9L TDI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Timing chain in mine broke at 79 kmi. Replaced chain, chain guides, several valves and lifters, head gasket and lots of stuff I don't remember. Milled head. Walt's has crate engine from Mercedes. Wilton - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Alex Chamberlain wrote: Or will there always be some out there, like Wilton's 350SDL, that just don't show the symptoms and will always be an unknown quantity? I thought Wilton's 350 had a valve job, milled head, and new head gasket? Or is that Walt Lasher? No, I think Walt has a crate engine. Mitch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably another hour or so. I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic. -Curt Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 07:30:52 -0500 From: Hans Neureiter diese...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: caojz3l_vrztfbgyntopwpcdnlhg1raoinmwjhygp5uzbemg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $ 800. It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner idlers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Another vote for only new in VWs, used in MBs. I would not have bought a used VW - and could not afford a new MB, so have the (was) new VW. I don't hear the turbo at all in the 2012 TDI - run, don't walk from that Jetta. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: clay wrote: I have cousins who sells VW. He advises strongly against purchasing used, as they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep running. The one Curt was talking about seemed to be a VW price, but well into W210 territory by the time all the known and unknown faults are fixed. Most TDIs, I agree with you, the sellers seem to think they are made of gold unless they've got 200k on the odo. I think, in general, you're right about buying new as opposed to overpaying for old. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2013 F150 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to that whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND sometime thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not replacing those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant... Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't there, you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation. D. On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote: Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably another hour or so. I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic. -Curt Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote: Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $ 800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner idlers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in the process. Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to that whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND sometime thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not replacing those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant... Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't there, you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation. D. On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote: Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably another hour or so. I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic. -Curt Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote: Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $ 800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner idlers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe not on a 98, but on Hans' 2001 TDI it is definitely involved. On 2013-06-23, at 10:45, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in the process. Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to that whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND sometime thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not replacing those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant... Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't there, you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation. D. On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote: Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably another hour or so. I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic. -Curt Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote: Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $ 800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner idlers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The TB on the '98 is easier. Once you get good a the A4 chassis they can be done pretty quickly but the process is definitely different than on the A3. On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 11:56 AM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Maybe not on a 98, but on Hans' 2001 TDI it is definitely involved. On 2013-06-23, at 10:45, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in the process. Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to that whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND sometime thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not replacing those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant... Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't there, you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation. D. On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote: Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably another hour or so. I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic. -Curt Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote: Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $ 800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner idlers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Somebody mentioned how the engine in the Beetle sits up under the windshield. On the Jetta it's pretty well out in the open. Not like a 240D, more like a 190. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:56 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Maybe not on a 98, but on Hans' 2001 TDI it is definitely involved. On 2013-06-23, at 10:45, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: On a 98 Jetta? I don't see where an engine mount has to be disturbed in the process. Curt Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 1:25 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: Very important to check that they used NEW stretch bolts whenever they touch the timing belt or water pump because the engine mount is integral to that whole procedure. If not you will find your engine on the GROUND sometime thereafter. Many, many, many reports on tdiclub.com of dealers not replacing those bolts and the results can be quite unpleasant... Check the parts listed on the service invoice. If the bolts aren't there, you'll want to go back to the stealer/shop for an explanation. D. On 2013-06-23 Curt Raymond wrote: Theres a video on Youtube covering the TB replacement on a '98, it looks like about a 2 hour job but needs a few special tools. The water pump is probably another hour or so. I found the TB with tensioner etc for about $150, figure another $100 for water pump while you're there, not a bad day for a home mechanic. -Curt Sun, 23 Jun 2013, Hans Neureiter wrote: Have a 01 New Beetle 1.9L TDI. Can't hear the turbo. TB replacement ran ~ $ 800.? It included water pump,thermostat. serpentine belt and tensioner idlers. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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All the 99.5 and later TDIs (Golf, Jetta, Beetle are all on the same platform) have this issue with single-use stretch bolts not being replaced and failing. At 2:48 PM -0400 6/23/13, Curt Raymond wrote: Somebody mentioned how the engine in the Beetle sits up under the windshield. On the Jetta it's pretty well out in the open. Not like a 240D, more like a 190. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Which explains the high cost of his TB replacement vs what I would expect. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 23, 2013, at 2:53 PM, David Bruckmann bruckma...@transcontinental.ca wrote: All the 99.5 and later TDIs (Golf, Jetta, Beetle are all on the same platform) have this issue with single-use stretch bolts not being replaced and failing. At 2:48 PM -0400 6/23/13, Curt Raymond wrote: Somebody mentioned how the engine in the Beetle sits up under the windshield. On the Jetta it's pretty well out in the open. Not like a 240D, more like a 190. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Anybody here got any experience with a Jetta TDI? I went to look at a '98 today, 177,xxx miles. Its got a bunch of little issues but seems fundamentally sound. The only thing I wondered about is a bit of turbo whine when you really get into it. I didn't spend enough time looking at the intake plumbing but the turbo seems to definitely whistle and I'm a little nervous that means a bad turbo. On the bad side the guy has a folder full of records that doesn't include a timing belt so I'd definitely be doing that immediately. I watched a Youtube video of the process and it looks pretty easy, certainly easier than a headgasket on a 240D. It also needs the parking brake sorted, the front turn signals don't work and the high beam switch doesn't stay on. Like I said, nothing too major. On the plus it has ICE COLD AC. ;) -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U Looks like a new replacement is $600+, used more like $300. The car was advertised at $3500, I got him down to $3000. I figure all the other issues its got, together, come to around $700 which includes the timing belt and a replacement radio. I wonder if telling him the turbo whine is real bad will make a difference? -Curt --- On Sat, 6/22/13, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Any TDI folks here? To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Saturday, June 22, 2013, 2:10 PM Anybody here got any experience with a Jetta TDI? I went to look at a '98 today, 177,xxx miles. Its got a bunch of little issues but seems fundamentally sound. The only thing I wondered about is a bit of turbo whine when you really get into it. I didn't spend enough time looking at the intake plumbing but the turbo seems to definitely whistle and I'm a little nervous that means a bad turbo. On the bad side the guy has a folder full of records that doesn't include a timing belt so I'd definitely be doing that immediately. I watched a Youtube video of the process and it looks pretty easy, certainly easier than a headgasket on a 240D. It also needs the parking brake sorted, the front turn signals don't work and the high beam switch doesn't stay on. Like I said, nothing too major. On the plus it has ICE COLD AC. ;) -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U Looks like a new replacement is $600+, used more like $300. The car was advertised at $3500, I got him down to $3000. I figure all the other issues its got, together, come to around $700 which includes the timing belt and a replacement radio. I wonder if telling him the turbo whine is real bad will make a difference? Wonder how hard it would be to put my 2005 E300CDI turbo on it? Probably very hard to turn the fuel up to 200hp to match. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some other poor sucker will buy it. And no, I doubt if it will make a difference unless you can beat him down to maybe $2500. --R On 6/22/13 5:07 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I wonder if telling him the turbo whine is real bad will make a difference? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U Yeeesh, they definitely aren't supposed to sound like that. My ex has a 2000 New Bug TDI that we bought new (same engine as the '98). It wasn't a Mercedes, but it was a fine car for the price and got great fuel mileage (40 highway with the automatic, stick cars do about 5 mpg better). The normal turbo sound is very distinctive, sort of like a vacuum cleaner but higher-pitched and tapering off as the car accelerates from a stop. Things to watch out for: - Frequent oil changes with the correct spec of synthetic oil, 505 point something. Dealers were notorious when the TDIs were new in the late '90s for ignoring VW's service bulletins and putting dino oil in them, greatly shortening turbo life and leading to... - ...Soot buildup in the intake. Much like with the 300D 2.5, the EGR system seems expressly designed to clog the intake manifold with soot, making the car run rough. Solution is to take it off and soak it out, but it's harder to do that in the tight space around a transverse engine than in an M-B. (Especially bad in the Beetle where a third of the engine is tucked under the dashboard, sort of like a full-size van.) - Electrical gremlins. VW has come a long way since the '80s when it seemed like the circuitry in their cars was constructed from bent paperclips and bits of chewing-gum wrapper with the shiny side out, but they still seem to be more likely to have electrical difficulties than a Japanese or American car of comparable age. Power windows that don't work are probably an easy fix--IIRC there was a recall for faulty regulators at some point--but anything more complex or intermittent is a red flag. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The 1998 is a lot more tinny than the 2000. Water pump is aux belt driven on the '98 but timing belt driven on the '00. Rotary pump, electronically controlled. Rear drum brakes. All in all I liked the 2000 better than the 1998. Drove each for a few years. On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U Yeeesh, they definitely aren't supposed to sound like that. My ex has a 2000 New Bug TDI that we bought new (same engine as the '98). It wasn't a Mercedes, but it was a fine car for the price and got great fuel mileage (40 highway with the automatic, stick cars do about 5 mpg better). The normal turbo sound is very distinctive, sort of like a vacuum cleaner but higher-pitched and tapering off as the car accelerates from a stop. Things to watch out for: - Frequent oil changes with the correct spec of synthetic oil, 505 point something. Dealers were notorious when the TDIs were new in the late '90s for ignoring VW's service bulletins and putting dino oil in them, greatly shortening turbo life and leading to... - ...Soot buildup in the intake. Much like with the 300D 2.5, the EGR system seems expressly designed to clog the intake manifold with soot, making the car run rough. Solution is to take it off and soak it out, but it's harder to do that in the tight space around a transverse engine than in an M-B. (Especially bad in the Beetle where a third of the engine is tucked under the dashboard, sort of like a full-size van.) - Electrical gremlins. VW has come a long way since the '80s when it seemed like the circuitry in their cars was constructed from bent paperclips and bits of chewing-gum wrapper with the shiny side out, but they still seem to be more likely to have electrical difficulties than a Japanese or American car of comparable age. Power windows that don't work are probably an easy fix--IIRC there was a recall for faulty regulators at some point--but anything more complex or intermittent is a red flag. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have cousins who sells VW. He advises strongly against purchasing used, as they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep running. clay On Jun 22, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Anybody here got any experience with a Jetta TDI? I went to look at a '98 today, 177,xxx miles. Its got a bunch of little issues but seems fundamentally sound. The only thing I wondered about is a bit of turbo whine when you really get into it. I didn't spend enough time looking at the intake plumbing but the turbo seems to definitely whistle and I'm a little nervous that means a bad turbo. On the bad side the guy has a folder full of records that doesn't include a timing belt so I'd definitely be doing that immediately. I watched a Youtube video of the process and it looks pretty easy, certainly easier than a headgasket on a 240D. It also needs the parking brake sorted, the front turn signals don't work and the high beam switch doesn't stay on. Like I said, nothing too major. On the plus it has ICE COLD AC. ;) -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay wrote: I have cousins who sells VW. He advises strongly against purchasing used, as they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep running. The one Curt was talking about seemed to be a VW price, but well into W210 territory by the time all the known and unknown faults are fixed. Most TDIs, I agree with you, the sellers seem to think they are made of gold unless they've got 200k on the odo. I think, in general, you're right about buying new as opposed to overpaying for old. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was all set to buy it until I found that video... My plan right now is to wait and week and see if he's still got it, maybe even go down there with twenty-five Ben Franklins and see if that makes a difference. I'll detail the turbo problem for him and remind him of the CEL which sounds like its probably glow plugs (hard cold start and it doesn't come on until the engine has been running around 30 sec) but he doesn't need to know that part ;) This car is pretty basic, manual crank windows, no sunroof. It'd be a good replacement for my 240D in that regard. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 15:34:39 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: CABHyH=avAHkyH6S59L0_-LkfTV1s41rpi9=-7loqobye1jd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Rats, more research seems to indicate its a failing turbo, sounds just like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B68ANvEma4U Yeeesh, they definitely aren't supposed to sound like that. My ex has a 2000 New Bug TDI that we bought new (same engine as the '98). It wasn't a Mercedes, but it was a fine car for the price and got great fuel mileage (40 highway with the automatic, stick cars do about 5 mpg better). The normal turbo sound is very distinctive, sort of like a vacuum cleaner but higher-pitched and tapering off as the car accelerates from a stop. Things to watch out for: - Frequent oil changes with the correct spec of synthetic oil, 505 point something. Dealers were notorious when the TDIs were new in the late '90s for ignoring VW's service bulletins and putting dino oil in them, greatly shortening turbo life and leading to... - ...Soot buildup in the intake. Much like with the 300D 2.5, the EGR system seems expressly designed to clog the intake manifold with soot, making the car run rough. Solution is to take it off and soak it out, but it's harder to do that in the tight space around a transverse engine than in an M-B. (Especially bad in the Beetle where a third of the engine is tucked under the dashboard, sort of like a full-size van.) - Electrical gremlins. VW has come a long way since the '80s when it seemed like the circuitry in their cars was constructed from bent paperclips and bits of chewing-gum wrapper with the shiny side out, but they still seem to be more likely to have electrical difficulties than a Japanese or American car of comparable age. Power windows that don't work are probably an easy fix--IIRC there was a recall for faulty regulators at some point--but anything more complex or intermittent is a red flag. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?
Actually this is an exceptionally bad time to be buying a used car period. Theres not much available for $1500 that runs and drives. Before looking at the TDI I looked at a Saab. $1500 car with a little rust but many warning signs, none of the radio etc. worked, the brake light never went out, the CEL is on, parking brake inop... In 2003 for $1500 I could buy a pretty nice car that wouldn't really need anything for 10,000 miles. -Curt Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 20:31:03 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here? Message-ID: 51c641c7.8060...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed clay wrote: I have cousins who sells VW. He advises strongly against purchasing used, as they are as expensive as a Benz and the quality of a Yugo to keep running. The one Curt was talking about seemed to be a VW price, but well into W210 territory by the time all the known and unknown faults are fixed. Most TDIs, I agree with you, the sellers seem to think they are made of gold unless they've got 200k on the odo. I think, in general, you're right about buying new as opposed to overpaying for old. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was just joking with the inlaws about all the cars we bought for under $1000 years ago. I can recall buying some pretty decent cars for $500. Dan pinin' for the days of cheap cars and even cheaper gas On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:07 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Actually this is an exceptionally bad time to be buying a used car period. Theres not much available for $1500 that runs and drives. Before looking at the TDI I looked at a Saab. $1500 car with a little rust but many warning signs, none of the radio etc. worked, the brake light never went out, the CEL is on, parking brake inop... In 2003 for $1500 I could buy a pretty nice car that wouldn't really need anything for 10,000 miles. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?
Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite! I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354 Those don't look like 'always garaged' headlight lenses to me. Of course, if it was a daily driver, it could have spent all daylight hours in a parking lot five days a week. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=347059854 This might be a decent deal, but a bit more than Curt's looking to pay: http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=349133627 Offer this guy $2500 and see what happens: http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=348607486 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?
Mitch Haley wrote: Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite! I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle. http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354 False alarm? The interior pics look more like Parchment to me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Any TDI folks here?
On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Mitch Haley wrote: Oooh, Aspen Green over Saddle leather, my favorite! I bet clay would be all over this one if it were in Seattle. http://www.autotrader.com/**cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.** xhtml?listingId=344895354http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=344895354 False alarm? The interior pics look more like Parchment to me. I love any variation on green/tan too. But 2WD 210s are as bad as rodbender 603s, as far as I'm concerned. Will we ever be able to assume that all the extant ones with rusty spring perches have been recalled and repaired? Or will there always be some out there, like Wilton's 350SDL, that just don't show the symptoms and will always be an unknown quantity? Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
