Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1983 Mercedes SD

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Looks like it did a tour in Iraq and then Afghanistan.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 4:37 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
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> $1k at most, even that is a push with the starter and battery issue.
> Maybe $800 if you want a half-decent 300SD
>
> --FT
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> On 1/26/21 4:03 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:
> > Worth a look?
> >
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> >> From: nore...@craigslist.org
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> >> Subject: 1983 Mercedes SD
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> >> 1983 Mercedes SD
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1983 Mercedes SD

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

$1k at most, even that is a push with the starter and battery issue.  
Maybe $800 if you want a half-decent 300SD


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On 1/26/21 4:03 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote:

Worth a look?

Bob R

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1983 Mercedes SD

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1983 Mercedes SD

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

"Runs great but won't start"?

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[MBZ] Fwd: 1983 Mercedes SD

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Worth a look?

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Has bullet proof windows

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Thu, Aug 6, 2020, 4:54 PM Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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> Looks nice.
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> > 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

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bullet proof windows from factory

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> On Aug 6, 2020, at 4:54 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> Looks nice. 
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> Bob R
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>> 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 17:59:37 -0400 Mitch Haley via Mercedes
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> On Thu, August 6, 2020 5:48 pm, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> > No I believe the rodbenders are the 3.5l e.g. the 350 SDL
> 
> All of the 1990s OM603 were 3.5L AFAIK.
> When the problems became too frequent to ignore, they started calling
> them 300SD but still had the 3.5. I'm pretty sure a 1992 (first year
> for W140) originally came with 350 badges, I think the 300 badges came
> later.

Yes, they put the 300 badges on because the 350s were known to have
problems.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

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On Thu, August 6, 2020 5:48 pm, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:
> No I believe the rodbenders are the 3.5l e.g. the 350 SDL

All of the 1990s OM603 were 3.5L AFAIK.
When the problems became too frequent to ignore, they started calling them
300SD but still had the 3.5. I'm pretty sure a 1992 (first year for W140)
originally came with 350 badges, I think the 300 badges came later.

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

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No I believe the rodbenders are the 3.5l e.g. the 350 SDL

Craig via Mercedes  writes:

> On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 14:25:52 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
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>> I asked. No reply yet. The seller is an email only person.   
>
> Is it a rod bender? I think so, but I'm not sure ...
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> Craig
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>> 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel
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>> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/chandler-1992-mercedes-sd-300-diesel/7172696338.html

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

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On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 14:25:52 -0700 Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
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> I asked. No reply yet. The seller is an email only person.   

Is it a rod bender? I think so, but I'm not sure ...


Craig


> 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel
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> https://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/d/chandler-1992-mercedes-sd-300-diesel/7172696338.html

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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

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I asked. No reply yet. The seller is an email only person.   

Bob R

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> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:21 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
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> Looks nice. I wonder what kind of miles are on it?
> 
> -D
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>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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>> 
>> Right? I texted my Indy to see if he knows the car. 
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>> Bob R
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> Holy cow looks unmolested and might be a good deal. 
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 Looks nice. 
 
 Bob R
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

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Looks nice. I wonder what kind of miles are on it?

-D

> On Aug 6, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes  
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> Right? I texted my Indy to see if he knows the car. 
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> Bob R
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>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 2:11 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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>> Holy cow looks unmolested and might be a good deal. 
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
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>>> Looks nice. 
>>> 
>>> Bob R
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>>> 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Right? I texted my Indy to see if he knows the car. 

Bob R

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> Holy cow looks unmolested and might be a good deal. 
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>> Looks nice. 
>> 
>> Bob R
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

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Holy cow looks unmolested and might be a good deal. 

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[MBZ] Fwd: 1992 Mercedes SD 300 diesel

[Bob Rentfro via Mercedes]

Looks nice. 

Bob R


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Re: [MBZ] 1997 Mercedes E420 SD ·,$2,000

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

E420. The SD is a reference tot he owner.    Super Dumb.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote on 5/20/19 9:53 AM:

Not sure what a E420SD is, but doesn't look bad, runs rough

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2389919124363106/




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Re: [MBZ] 1997 Mercedes E420 SD ·,$2,000

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

you know I am thinking it is probably something simple, wonder if it is 
throwing a code for something.  It could be a really nice car for $1500, 
wonder if he would take that.  Would have to go to Murder Beach to check 
it out though, it's like a 2hr drive.  I kinda like the $500E300 though, 
good fuel mileage, but this one looks a bit nicer.


--FT

On 5/20/19 11:17 AM, M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes wrote:

Prolly has a bad sparkplug coil.

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Not sure what a E420SD is, but doesn't look bad, runs rough

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2389919124363106/

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Re: [MBZ] 1997 Mercedes E420 SD ·,$2,000

[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

Prolly has a bad sparkplug coil.

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> Not sure what a E420SD is, but doesn't look bad, runs rough
>
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2389919124363106/
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[MBZ] 1997 Mercedes E420 SD ·,$2,000

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Not sure what a E420SD is, but doesn't look bad, runs rough

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2389919124363106/

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Hmmm  I wonder where he finds his suckers.   I'd like one.   I will sell 
GOOD engines for $4500!



clay monroe via Mercedes 
November 18, 2018 at 10:55 PM
The vendor will install one of the OM into your ride for much money, 
but you can have one from him for $5k. Most recent engine listed on CL 
is OM 603


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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The vendor will install one of the OM into your ride for much money, but you 
can have one from him for $5k.  Most recent engine listed on CL is OM 603

clay monroe
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> On Nov 18, 2018, at 7:52 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> What is he selling for $5k?  the cheep?  the OM and transmission?  or a DIY 
> kit with both cheep and engine/transmission?
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 18, 2018 at 8:30 PM
>> There is a brisk business in installing OM 616/617/603/602 engines into 
>> Cheeps. The guy doing rebuilds must have an in or is picking up rusted out 
>> things with good engines. Sells them for around $5k before install.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What is he selling for $5k?  the cheep?  the OM and transmission?  or a 
DIY kit with both cheep and engine/transmission?



clay monroe via Mercedes 
November 18, 2018 at 8:30 PM
There is a brisk business in installing OM 616/617/603/602 engines 
into Cheeps. The guy doing rebuilds must have an in or is picking up 
rusted out things with good engines. Sells them for around $5k before 
install.



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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 No idea why you'd want a 616 or 617 when you could have a TDI engine and make 
more power for less weight and size...
You don't even need the computer, put a Rover IP in it and you can make 150hp 
with only 1 wire required. That one wire powers the fuel shut off solenoid.

-Curt

On Sunday, November 18, 2018, 9:30:58 PM EST, clay monroe via Mercedes 
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 There is a brisk business in installing OM 616/617/603/602 engines into 
Cheeps.  The guy doing rebuilds must have an in or is picking up rusted out 
things with good engines.  Sells them for around $5k before install.


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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> The cheep engines crap out early too, resulting in huge bills, as used 
> engines are somewhere between made of platinum and unobtainium.
> 
> Surely some of the neighborhood greenie weenies drive the likes of dahoe, 
> subburpan, explurgeition etc.  They can't haul their 1.3 kids and 3 huge 
> dawgs (and associated plunder) in a pryus.
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 9:33 PM
>> Both djeeps have had issues
>> 
>> #1 boy had his mess the bed two years ago when it had big issues and stayed 
>> with the dealership for repairs of I recall not (two months after 
>> acquiring). There were some cooling troubles as well. Then a big wind 
>> grabbed hold of the driver door and tried to rip it off.
>> 
>> #2 boy also had cooling issues, as well as charging, steering, electrical, 
>> and other things not shared with me. Much to do with owners not having a 
>> clue how to keep older or most any car running unless you take it to a 
>> dealership. You know? The things are made of pure goodness and will do 
>> anything you want with no attention or care.
>> 
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

There is a brisk business in installing OM 616/617/603/602 engines into Cheeps. 
 The guy doing rebuilds must have an in or is picking up rusted out things with 
good engines.  Sells them for around $5k before install.


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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 10:18 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The cheep engines crap out early too, resulting in huge bills, as used 
> engines are somewhere between made of platinum and unobtainium.
> 
> Surely some of the neighborhood greenie weenies drive the likes of dahoe, 
> subburpan, explurgeition etc.   They can't haul their 1.3 kids and 3 huge 
> dawgs (and associated plunder) in a pryus.
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 9:33 PM
>> Both djeeps have had issues
>> 
>> #1 boy had his mess the bed two years ago when it had big issues and stayed 
>> with the dealership for repairs of I recall not (two months after 
>> acquiring). There were some cooling troubles as well. Then a big wind 
>> grabbed hold of the driver door and tried to rip it off.
>> 
>> #2 boy also had cooling issues, as well as charging, steering, electrical, 
>> and other things not shared with me. Much to do with owners not having a 
>> clue how to keep older or most any car running unless you take it to a 
>> dealership. You know? The things are made of pure goodness and will do 
>> anything you want with no attention or care.
>> 
>> 
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>> redgh...@comcast.net
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The cheep engines crap out early too, resulting in huge bills, as used 
engines are somewhere between made of platinum and unobtainium.


Surely some of the neighborhood greenie weenies drive the likes of 
dahoe, subburpan, explurgeition etc.   They can't haul their 1.3 kids 
and 3 huge dawgs (and associated plunder) in a pryus.



clay monroe via Mercedes 
November 17, 2018 at 9:33 PM
Both djeeps have had issues

#1 boy had his mess the bed two years ago when it had big issues and 
stayed with the dealership for repairs of I recall not (two months 
after acquiring). There were some cooling troubles as well. Then a big 
wind grabbed hold of the driver door and tried to rip it off.


#2 boy also had cooling issues, as well as charging, steering, 
electrical, and other things not shared with me. Much to do with 
owners not having a clue how to keep older or most any car running 
unless you take it to a dealership. You know? The things are made of 
pure goodness and will do anything you want with no attention or care.



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Salvage?
https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/1998-mercedes-benz-300-diesel/6730703947.html

Todd car:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ctd/d/2000-mercedes-benz-55-amglow/6751061496.html

430:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/cto/d/2002-mercedes-benz-e430/6751300317.html

Tell her you're collecting SLs and this is a special collector's edition:
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/d/have-2002-mercedes-sl500/6747290643.html

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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Both djeeps have had issues

#1 boy had his mess the bed two years ago when it had big issues and stayed 
with the dealership for repairs of I recall not (two months after acquiring).  
There were some cooling troubles as well.  Then a big wind grabbed hold of the 
driver door and tried to rip it off. 

#2 boy also had cooling issues, as well as charging, steering, electrical, and 
other things not shared with me.  Much to do with owners not having a clue how 
to keep older or most any car running unless you take it to a dealership.  You 
know?  The things are made of pure goodness and will do anything you want with 
no attention or care.


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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 6:59 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Didn't one of the Jeeps already break down?
> My parents have a Cherokee and a Renegade. Bother are decent to drive and 
> pretty good offroad, neither is what I'd call super reliable or a good 
> long-term cheap to operate vehicle...
> -Curt
> 
>On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 9:40:09 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I’m struggling to understand the logic here….
> 
> The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a 
> Jeep.  Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of vehicle 
> an inexperienced driver should be driving.
> 
> Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when 
> they’re in an accident and it rolls over?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:18 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Progeny are currently in jeeps
>> 
>> She is protecting their financial futures
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Eh, I know what you mean.  You have lost that battle before you begin.

-D


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 10:24 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> logic defies her at times.  marketing and opinions of her co-workers, rather 
> than critical reviews do sway her
> 
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 6:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I’m struggling to understand the logic here….
>> 
>> The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a 
>> Jeep.  Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of 
>> vehicle an inexperienced driver should be driving.
>> 
>> Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when 
>> they’re in an accident and it rolls over?
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 


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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

 Dan sez:


>If you have to go Asian, go Nissan or Mazda.  


 Mazda. Okay. Nissan, not so much imho. They are merged with Renault, and I 
think Renault has the upper hand in that relationship. Kind of like Fiat 
Chrysler. 


I'd buy a W210, but that's me. I don't have to kiss SWMBO a$$. 
I'd consider a Crown Vic too. 

   Rick
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

logic defies her at times.  marketing and opinions of her co-workers, rather 
than critical reviews do sway her


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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 6:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I’m struggling to understand the logic here….
> 
> The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a 
> Jeep.  Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of vehicle 
> an inexperienced driver should be driving.
> 
> Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when 
> they’re in an accident and it rolls over?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:18 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Progeny are currently in jeeps
>> 
>> She is protecting their financial futures
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Yeah Korean luxury cars are laughable and while the w220 may have been of 
similar perceived quality, I seriously doubt that the kimchi kadillac was as 
safe.

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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Fugly!no wonder she doesn't like MB.   WHile they keep getting 
> uglier, they still are better than a current camry or early jap crp and 
> korean crp.
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 8:22 PM
>> SWMBA drove a precursor to the Genesis. It was of equal quality as the W220. 
>> Some more prastic where MB used pot metal, but leather and trim were near 
>> the same.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net
>> 
>> 
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Didn't one of the Jeeps already break down?
My parents have a Cherokee and a Renegade. Bother are decent to drive and 
pretty good offroad, neither is what I'd call super reliable or a good 
long-term cheap to operate vehicle...
-Curt

On Saturday, November 17, 2018, 9:40:09 PM EST, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I’m struggling to understand the logic here….

The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a Jeep. 
 Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of vehicle an 
inexperienced driver should be driving.

Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when they’re 
in an accident and it rolls over?

-D



> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:18 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Progeny are currently in jeeps
> 
> She is protecting their financial futures
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 


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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Fugly!no wonder she doesn't like MB.   WHile they keep getting 
uglier, they still are better than a current camry or early jap crp and 
korean crp.



clay monroe via Mercedes 
November 17, 2018 at 8:22 PM
SWMBA drove a precursor to the Genesis. It was of equal quality as the 
W220. Some more prastic where MB used pot metal, but leather and trim 
were near the same.




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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

She is protecting their financial futures by spending big bucks on jap crp?

She's ok with POSs, but not in the safest cars on earth, but wants to 
protect progeny?Makes no sensebut then she is female.   
Logic/sense need not apply.



clay monroe via Mercedes 
November 17, 2018 at 8:18 PM
Progeny are currently in jeeps

She is protecting their financial futures

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m struggling to understand the logic here….

The last thing I would put my kids in for their driving safety would be a Jeep. 
 Not only are they unsafe as heck, they’re far from the kind of vehicle an 
inexperienced driver should be driving.

Or is she looking to do some litigation for mangled arms and legs when they’re 
in an accident and it rolls over?

-D



> On Nov 17, 2018, at 9:18 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Progeny are currently in jeeps
> 
> She is protecting their financial futures
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 


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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

SWMBA drove a precursor to the Genesis.  It was of equal quality as the W220.  
Some more prastic where MB used pot metal, but leather and trim were near the 
same.



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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is either of those Korean kars a sonata?   elanta et al is crap.   Sonati  I 
> have seen seem to have earned the Korean Kaddylac moniker.Of course 
> Kaddylak is no icon of quality.
> 
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 6:37 PM
>> Dude, I’m telling you. W210 wagon or sedan, the latest and best one you can 
>> find. Nothing to do but gas and go.
>> 
>> Oh, yeah - the 2002 needed a crankshaft position sensor this week. $27 and 
>> five minutes to replace. Other than paying to have the instrument cluster 
>> rebuilt when I bought the car because the pixels in the display were wonky 
>> ($110 from BBA Reman with a lifetime guarantee) I have not put dime one into 
>> the 2002 E320 in the year and a half I’ve owned it beyond the above. So 
>> that’s $137.00 plus maintenance.
>> 
>> If you have to go Asian, go Nissan or Mazda. Avoid the Korean crap that’s 
>> circulating around these days. I have two co-workers that own Hunday cars 
>> that are under two years old, and they‘re falling apart. One of them has 
>> less than 10k on it and the lettering and icons have worn off the buttons on 
>> the dash for the ACC and other controls. Plastics are coming apart and 
>> breaking. The build quality is horrid.
>> 
>> -D
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Progeny are currently in jeeps

She is protecting their financial futures

clay monroe
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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> if she wants to keep her progeny safe, then it is Mercedes Benz oder nicht.   
> DB(MB) invented auto safety, crush zones, crash testing etc., etc., etc
> 
> Sumpin here don't add up.
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 6:24 PM
>> SWMBA is a very good person. A veritable saint for tolerating my … idiocy 
>> for the past 30+ years.
>> 
>> Priority is to keep our progeny safe, not the idiot she may have made the 
>> mistake to take as spouse. My bacon is best kept out of jumping from a 
>> skillet into flames. If I choose flames, then she does not want to be party 
>> to that if it imperils her babies. Sounds smart to me.
>> 
>> I am not fully non-compismentis, but have certain tendencies that can place 
>> in peril financial fluidity. I will be out of luck once she gets full power 
>> of attorney. I will not be needing to drive at that point
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net
>> 
>> 
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

If struck from behind, the cop car has a partition that keep the car from going 
boom and flames, that is missing in the consumer version

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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 3:57 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 15:38:12 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as
>> there is some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard
>> cars are not privy to.
> 
> Anit-Pinto?
> 
> 
> Craig
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[Dimitri via Mercedes]

My thoughts exactly.

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> On Nov 17, 2018, at 7:34 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> if she wants to keep her progeny safe, then it is Mercedes Benz oder nicht.   
> DB(MB) invented auto safety, crush zones, crash testing etc., etc., etc
> 
> Sumpin here don't add up.
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 17, 2018 at 6:24 PM
>> SWMBA is a very good person. A veritable saint for tolerating my … idiocy 
>> for the past 30+ years.
>> 
>> Priority is to keep our progeny safe, not the idiot she may have made the 
>> mistake to take as spouse. My bacon is best kept out of jumping from a 
>> skillet into flames. If I choose flames, then she does not want to be party 
>> to that if it imperils her babies. Sounds smart to me.
>> 
>> I am not fully non-compismentis, but have certain tendencies that can place 
>> in peril financial fluidity. I will be out of luck once she gets full power 
>> of attorney. I will not be needing to drive at that point
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net
>> 
>> 
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 19:28:18 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The cop versions got a shield of sorts added into them as standard
> production after it was discovered that in a number of rear end
> collisions (high speed ones where the cruiser was parked and someone
> rammed them from behind) the gas tank would be shoved up against the
> body and frame, rupturing and bursting into flames, I believe.
> 
> Hence the Pinto analogy.

So it should have been "Anti-Pinto" instead of "Anit Pinto".


Craig

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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Probably more mutual frustration than imminent sundering of bonds.  Unless I 
force things and proceed down a pathway that ignores her better judgement.


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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:41 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 16, 2018 at 12:36 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This whole 'buy yourself a car of my choosing or I'm filing for divorce' is 
>> either about spousal abuse/control, or it condenses down to 'I'm planning on 
>> filing for divorce'. Either way, it doesn't sound healthy to me. 
>> 
> 
> ...or I misunderstood and she actually said something like "I'm fed up to 
> here with the joke paint jobs on your silly Mercedes. Why can't you just 
> drive a plain white Camry like normal people do?"
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Is either of those Korean kars a sonata?   elanta et al is crap.   
Sonati  I have seen seem to have earned the Korean Kaddylac moniker.
Of course Kaddylak is no icon of quality.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
November 17, 2018 at 6:37 PM
Dude, I’m telling you. W210 wagon or sedan, the latest and best one 
you can find. Nothing to do but gas and go.


Oh, yeah - the 2002 needed a crankshaft position sensor this week. $27 
and five minutes to replace. Other than paying to have the instrument 
cluster rebuilt when I bought the car because the pixels in the 
display were wonky ($110 from BBA Reman with a lifetime guarantee) I 
have not put dime one into the 2002 E320 in the year and a half I’ve 
owned it beyond the above. So that’s $137.00 plus maintenance.


If you have to go Asian, go Nissan or Mazda. Avoid the Korean crap 
that’s circulating around these days. I have two co-workers that own 
Hunday cars that are under two years old, and they‘re falling apart. 
One of them has less than 10k on it and the lettering and icons have 
worn off the buttons on the dash for the ACC and other controls. 
Plastics are coming apart and breaking. The build quality is horrid.


-D


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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Dude, I’m telling you.  W210 wagon or sedan, the latest and best one you can 
find.  Nothing to do but gas and go.

Oh, yeah - the 2002 needed a crankshaft position sensor this week.  $27 and 
five minutes to replace.  Other than paying to have the instrument cluster 
rebuilt when I bought the car because the pixels in the display were wonky 
($110 from BBA Reman with a lifetime guarantee)  I have not put dime one into 
the 2002 E320 in the year and a half I’ve owned it beyond the above.  So that’s 
$137.00 plus maintenance.

If you have to go Asian, go Nissan or Mazda.  Avoid the Korean crap that’s 
circulating around these days.  I have two co-workers that own Hunday cars that 
are under two years old, and they‘re falling apart.  One of them has less than 
10k on it and the lettering and icons have worn off the buttons on the dash for 
the ACC and other controls.  Plastics are coming apart and breaking.  The build 
quality is horrid.

-D

> On Nov 17, 2018, at 6:57 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> SWMBA seems morally against the marque.
> 
> It clashes with her perceived identity as a nice person.  That I gather to 
> myself the bottom feeder sort of car, and those tend to require a reasonable 
> investment to update, this is deemed to be a “waste” of money.  
> 
> My perspective is otherwise.  I see them as more fiscally responsible than 
> paying for newer cars which will probably require a significant investment to 
> keep them in good repair.  The W220 was a decade old when it came my way.  In 
> the four years I drove it, repair costs equalled purchase price.  At the 
> point of SLS and cluster failure, I had tossed close to $5k in 12 months at 
> it.  Those repairs would have upped it to another $6k.  Car would not meet 
> KBB for those repairs.
> 
> Dan may be very well versed in how to make the newer cars worth owning, but I 
> am only capable of keeping simple old cars on the road with what little cash 
> I have and a few band aids.  
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net


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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

if she wants to keep her progeny safe, then it is Mercedes Benz oder 
nicht.   DB(MB) invented auto safety, crush zones, crash testing etc., 
etc., etc


Sumpin here don't add up.


clay monroe via Mercedes 
November 17, 2018 at 6:24 PM
SWMBA is a very good person. A veritable saint for tolerating my … 
idiocy for the past 30+ years.


Priority is to keep our progeny safe, not the idiot she may have made 
the mistake to take as spouse. My bacon is best kept out of jumping 
from a skillet into flames. If I choose flames, then she does not want 
to be party to that if it imperils her babies. Sounds smart to me.


I am not fully non-compismentis, but have certain tendencies that can 
place in peril financial fluidity. I will be out of luck once she gets 
full power of attorney. I will not be needing to drive at that point




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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The cop versions got a shield of sorts added into them as standard production 
after it was discovered that in a number of rear end collisions (high speed 
ones where the cruiser was parked and someone rammed them from behind) the gas 
tank would be shoved up against the body and frame, rupturing and bursting into 
flames, I believe.

Hence the Pinto analogy.

-D who owned one of those recalled Pintos


> On Nov 17, 2018, at 7:14 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>>> I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as
>>> there is some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard
>>> cars are not privy to.
> 
>> Anit-Pinto?
> 
> Anti fire device around the gas tank, maybe?
> Maybe what is referenced in this ad as a "kevlar trunk pack"?
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/2008-ford-crown-victoria-p71/6725772386.html
> 
> I do like this one.
> Looks good with the Mustang wheels.
> Could probably bolt in Lincoln Town Car seats, if wanted.
> They are the same chassis.
> 
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

SWMBA is a very good person.  A veritable saint for tolerating my … idiocy for 
the past 30+ years.  

Priority is to keep our progeny safe, not the idiot she may have made the 
mistake to take as spouse.  My bacon is best kept out of jumping from a skillet 
into flames.  If I choose flames, then she does not want to be party to that if 
it imperils her babies.  Sounds smart to me.  

I am not fully non-compismentis, but have certain tendencies that can place in 
peril financial fluidity.  I will be out of luck once she gets full power of 
attorney.  I will not be needing to drive at that point



clay monroe
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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 9:36 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 16, 2018 at 11:46 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you had a serious discussion with SWMBO? Is her dislike of your 
>> Mercedes hobby tied to the troubles you have had with the cars or is it 
>> something else?
> 
> This whole 'buy yourself a car of my choosing or I'm filing for divorce' is 
> either about spousal abuse/control, or it condenses down to 'I'm planning on 
> filing for divorce'. Either way, it doesn't sound healthy to me. 
> 
> Mitch.
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>> I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as
>> there is some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard
>> cars are not privy to.

>Anit-Pinto?

Anti fire device around the gas tank, maybe?
Maybe what is referenced in this ad as a "kevlar trunk pack"?

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/2008-ford-crown-victoria-p71/6725772386.html

I do like this one.
Looks good with the Mustang wheels.
Could probably bolt in Lincoln Town Car seats, if wanted.
They are the same chassis.

Rick
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On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 15:38:12 -0800 clay monroe via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as
> there is some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard
> cars are not privy to.

Anit-Pinto?


Craig

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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

SWMBA seems morally against the marque.

It clashes with her perceived identity as a nice person.  That I gather to 
myself the bottom feeder sort of car, and those tend to require a reasonable 
investment to update, this is deemed to be a “waste” of money.  

My perspective is otherwise.  I see them as more fiscally responsible than 
paying for newer cars which will probably require a significant investment to 
keep them in good repair.  The W220 was a decade old when it came my way.  In 
the four years I drove it, repair costs equalled purchase price.  At the point 
of SLS and cluster failure, I had tossed close to $5k in 12 months at it.  
Those repairs would have upped it to another $6k.  Car would not meet KBB for 
those repairs.

Dan may be very well versed in how to make the newer cars worth owning, but I 
am only capable of keeping simple old cars on the road with what little cash I 
have and a few band aids.  

clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:46 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 15/11/2018 10:45 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>> I do not call the shots on this.  I do cash, she does big money.  My cars 
>> come to me for low money, engine repair is big money.  Fresh “reliable” cars 
>> are big money too.  The POS PITA W220 was supposed to be a good car. It was 
>> for a year and a half.
>> 
>> clay monroe
> Have you had a serious discussion with SWMBO? Is her dislike of your Mercedes 
> hobby tied to the troubles you have had with the cars or is it something else?
> My guess is that she may not appreciate your customization of the cars. I 
> know my wife would not look favourably on the "hot wheels" car or the 
> imitation police car.
> If you kept them stock looking, would they be less objectionable? A 
> reasonably shiny classic Mercedes is generally considered a nice car by most 
> folks who may have no clue about how old they are.
> 
> RB
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTOg4aYGtdY

Rick

From: Mercedes  on behalf of clay monroe via 
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] If not the SD

I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as there is 
some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard cars are not privy 
to.


clay monroe
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

The local auto auction had these things on offer, and they sold for pennies to 
the cab companies.  Then the Priapus things began to show up and all the taxi 
folks flocked to them paying close to retail KBB.  Now the cops are getting rid 
of Chargers and other more militaristic models.


clay monroe
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> On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If you get a real cruiser, it will have a hard plastic back seat and no 
> carpet.  Makes it easier to hose the back down after the perps have been 
> dropped off at the jail.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Left front seat is wrecked inside of 50,000 miles. 
>> Mitch. 
>>> On November 16, 2018 at 1:29 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Then an ex cop crown Vic is what you need. A cop has to be alert and awake 
>>> after sitting in a car for hours on end.
>>> 
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I just learned that the cop versions have a much safer quality, as there is 
some manner of Anit-Pinto in the enforcers that the standard cars are not privy 
to.


clay monroe
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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 10:29 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Then an ex cop crown Vic is what you need. A cop has to be alert and awake 
> after sitting in a car for hours on end.
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: November 16, 2018 12:06 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Cc: redgh...@comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] If not the SD
> 
> 
> That is a defining issue for me.  Seats in the car have to allow for a 24 
> hour road trip where I arrive tired because I did not sleep enough, not that 
> I am wracked with pain from the torment of the seating.  The family hates to 
> ride with me because of the forced march attitude.  SEA to DIA was done as 
> overnights both there and back.  Same with SEA to XWA, though that involved a 
> one way and then round trip within seven days.  Both trips were in an S 
> class.  I was tired mostest because i had to ride Amtrak for the initial 
> return leg from XWA.


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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Reminds me of the joke:

Q "Would you like a Hertz donut?"
A "Sure!"
Slug the kid in the arm and say: "Hurts, don't it!"
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 16, 2018 10:32:17 PM EST, Craig via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 20:37:21 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
> wrote:
>
>> I had a HERTZ Chebby Malibu this past weekend on my Michigan trip.
>Not
>> bad but ...
>
>Yes, it HERTZ ...
>
>
>Craig
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 20:37:21 -0500 Dwight Giles via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I had a HERTZ Chebby Malibu this past weekend on my Michigan trip. Not
> bad but ...

Yes, it HERTZ ...


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Bought the wife a 2005 Mazda 6 new from a local dealer.  Great car, put almost 
160k on the clock before we parted and it had no repairs required until it had 
around 120k.  Then it was a couple of COPs and a vacuum leak in the plastic 
intake manifold.

Other than regular maintenance, I probably put less than $1000 into repairs in 
that car over our ownership.

Great car.

-D


> On Nov 16, 2018, at 8:34 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:25:54 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> I can’t say I’ve had a bad Ford or Mazda, ever.  And I’ve owned most of
>> them from new.
> 
> I had a rental Mazda when I was on travel from Los Alamos to Knoxville in
> 2011. I think it was a "6". The seats didn't seem bad when I was driving
> it, but my back was messed up for weeks afterward ...
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

I had a HERTZ Chebby Malibu this past weekend on my Michigan trip. Not bad
but ...

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 16, 2018 8:34 PM, "Craig via Mercedes"  wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:25:54 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > I can’t say I’ve had a bad Ford or Mazda, ever.  And I’ve owned most of
> > them from new.
>
> I had a rental Mazda when I was on travel from Los Alamos to Knoxville in
> 2011. I think it was a "6". The seats didn't seem bad when I was driving
> it, but my back was messed up for weeks afterward ...
>
>
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 17:25:54 -0500 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I can’t say I’ve had a bad Ford or Mazda, ever.  And I’ve owned most of
> them from new.

I had a rental Mazda when I was on travel from Los Alamos to Knoxville in
2011. I think it was a "6". The seats didn't seem bad when I was driving
it, but my back was messed up for weeks afterward ...


Craig

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, I do.  I also know that Ford and Mazda make or made a lot of the same cars 
that were badged differently depending on the market and manufacturer.

I can’t say I’ve had a bad Ford or Mazda, ever.  And I’ve owned most of them 
from new.

I drove a Fusion hybrid when the S420 got totaled, and while it was pretty 
soulless, it was good transportation and very economical.  Not my thing, but it 
had merit.

-D


> On Nov 16, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You know Ford makes cars other than a Focus right? And a Mazda 6 is a size 
> bigger than the Focus.
> My in-laws have an '08 Fusion which has been a really good car for them. It 
> replaced a Cherokee that was a money pit that I advised against buying and 
> was right. The Fusion has needed nothing but a few sets of tires...
> -Curt
> 
>On Thursday, November 15, 2018, 8:26:41 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> but one of the criteria was to haul 4 adults over long distances in 
> comfort.  The crown vic might do that if the air suspension is working, 
> but IMHO, that requirement as well as the "no Merkun iron" leave out the 
> focii.
> 
> If I had to buy a newish car, I'd buy a frod, shovey or a korean kaddilak.
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> November 15, 2018 at 6:10 PM
>> While I know they’re probably not a contender, the Ford sedans of late 
>> have been pretty bulletproof. I had the youngest son in a Focus for a 
>> few years when he first started driving, and it was pretty rugged and 
>> took little to maintain, I can’t recall ever having any issues with it.
>> 
>> Dan
>> 
>> 
>> 
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You know Ford makes cars other than a Focus right? And a Mazda 6 is a size 
bigger than the Focus.
My in-laws have an '08 Fusion which has been a really good car for them. It 
replaced a Cherokee that was a money pit that I advised against buying and was 
right. The Fusion has needed nothing but a few sets of tires...
-Curt

On Thursday, November 15, 2018, 8:26:41 PM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 but one of the criteria was to haul 4 adults over long distances in 
comfort.  The crown vic might do that if the air suspension is working, 
but IMHO, that requirement as well as the "no Merkun iron" leave out the 
focii.

If I had to buy a newish car, I'd buy a frod, shovey or a korean kaddilak.
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> November 15, 2018 at 6:10 PM
> While I know they’re probably not a contender, the Ford sedans of late 
> have been pretty bulletproof. I had the youngest son in a Focus for a 
> few years when he first started driving, and it was pretty rugged and 
> took little to maintain, I can’t recall ever having any issues with it.
>
> Dan
>
>
>

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 My '10 Dodge RAM 1500 has been similar, mine has 125,000ish now and doing 
great. Pulled through the snow MUCH better than a '15 Chevy. His truck sits 
about 2" lower than mine and was dragging way worse.
-Curt

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 7:51:25 PM EST, tyee165 via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 F150 supercrew4 doorsSeats 6 if you don't get bucket seats in frontBig box to 
haul stuffTonneau cover if you want to hide box contentsReliable as can be My 
previous one was an 02My son has it nowOver 200k miles now with no major issues 
except ruxr is getting the rockersRBSent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: clay monroe via Mercedes 
 Date: 2018-11-14  6:08 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mercedes 
Discussion List  Cc: clay monroe  
Subject: Re: [MBZ] If not the SD “Merkun iron does not meet the reliable 
criteria I have to work underOntclay monroeredgh...@comcast.net> On Nov 14, 
2018, at 2:42 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  wrote:> > 
Grand caravan.   If it has to be an  "import" then VW branded Routan van> >> 
clay monroe via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>>> November 14, 2018 at 
4:29 PM>> Since I need a daily driver, I am looking at the more “reliable” 
brands. Cars of the Orient! SWMBA will no longer accept cars with stars. So, 
opinions on these few models please>> >> Toyotas—>> Sienna of 2007-2010>> First 
gen Highlanders>> Lexus RX 06-09 including the hybrids>> >> Honda>> Odyssey of 
07-10>> Pilot 07-09>> >> My needs include driving my 90 year old mother places, 
transporting four adults in comfort for long distances, and hauling magical 
parts from the yards. Needs to carry hoods and doors with ease. Has to be 
secure to allow for over night storage of tools and luggage.>> >> >> clay>> >> 
1974 450sl - Frosch - Two tone green>> 1986 SDL - Polei>> >> >> retired 
models->> 1982 300 SD - Allen>> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored 
crap>> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery>> 1972 220D - Gump - She was 
green, simple and ran>> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Agree 

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> 
>> On November 16, 2018 at 11:46 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Have you had a serious discussion with SWMBO? Is her dislike of your 
>> Mercedes hobby tied to the troubles you have had with the cars or is it 
>> something else?
> 
> This whole 'buy yourself a car of my choosing or I'm filing for divorce' is 
> either about spousal abuse/control, or it condenses down to 'I'm planning on 
> filing for divorce'. Either way, it doesn't sound healthy to me. 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 16/11/2018 11:41 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On November 16, 2018 at 12:36 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
 wrote:

This whole 'buy yourself a car of my choosing or I'm filing for divorce' is 
either about spousal abuse/control, or it condenses down to 'I'm planning on 
filing for divorce'. Either way, it doesn't sound healthy to me.


...or I misunderstood and she actually said something like "I'm fed up to here with 
the joke paint jobs on your silly Mercedes. Why can't you just drive a plain white Camry 
like normal people do?"

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Fri, 16 Nov 2018 12:36:28 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> This whole 'buy yourself a car of my choosing or I'm filing for
> divorce' is either about spousal abuse/control, or it condenses down to
> 'I'm planning on filing for divorce'. Either way, it doesn't sound
> healthy to me. 

My thoughts, too.


Craig

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 16, 2018 at 12:36 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> This whole 'buy yourself a car of my choosing or I'm filing for divorce' is 
> either about spousal abuse/control, or it condenses down to 'I'm planning on 
> filing for divorce'. Either way, it doesn't sound healthy to me. 
> 

...or I misunderstood and she actually said something like "I'm fed up to here 
with the joke paint jobs on your silly Mercedes. Why can't you just drive a 
plain white Camry like normal people do?"

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 16, 2018 at 11:46 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Have you had a serious discussion with SWMBO? Is her dislike of your 
> Mercedes hobby tied to the troubles you have had with the cars or is it 
> something else?

This whole 'buy yourself a car of my choosing or I'm filing for divorce' is 
either about spousal abuse/control, or it condenses down to 'I'm planning on 
filing for divorce'. Either way, it doesn't sound healthy to me. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 15/11/2018 10:45 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

I do not call the shots on this.  I do cash, she does big money.  My cars come 
to me for low money, engine repair is big money.  Fresh “reliable” cars are big 
money too.  The POS PITA W220 was supposed to be a good car. It was for a year 
and a half.

clay monroe
Have you had a serious discussion with SWMBO? Is her dislike of your 
Mercedes hobby tied to the troubles you have had with the cars or is it 
something else?
My guess is that she may not appreciate your customization of the cars. 
I know my wife would not look favourably on the "hot wheels" car or the 
imitation police car.
If you kept them stock looking, would they be less objectionable? A 
reasonably shiny classic Mercedes is generally considered a nice car by 
most folks who may have no clue about how old they are.


RB

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If you get a real cruiser, it will have a hard plastic back seat and no carpet. 
 Makes it easier to hose the back down after the perps have been dropped off at 
the jail.

-D




> On Nov 16, 2018, at 7:41 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Left front seat is wrecked inside of 50,000 miles. 
> Mitch. 
>> On November 16, 2018 at 1:29 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Then an ex cop crown Vic is what you need. A cop has to be alert and awake 
>> after sitting in a car for hours on end.
>> 
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Left front seat is wrecked inside of 50,000 miles. 
Mitch. 
> On November 16, 2018 at 1:29 AM Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Then an ex cop crown Vic is what you need. A cop has to be alert and awake 
> after sitting in a car for hours on end.
>

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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Then an ex cop crown Vic is what you need. A cop has to be alert and awake 
after sitting in a car for hours on end.


Rick

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That is a defining issue for me.  Seats in the car have to allow for a 24 hour 
road trip where I arrive tired because I did not sleep enough, not that I am 
wracked with pain from the torment of the seating.  The family hates to ride 
with me because of the forced march attitude.  SEA to DIA was done as 
overnights both there and back.  Same with SEA to XWA, though that involved a 
one way and then round trip within seven days.  Both trips were in an S class.  
I was tired mostest because i had to ride Amtrak for the initial return leg 
from XWA.


clay monroe
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

While the SD was in the shop I was stuck in a Frod  "con”Fusion hybrid.  It was 
a toy and had seats that gave pain, even on the short five mile drives to work. 
 No way to find a comfortable spot.  Like having bread crumbs in your skivvies.


clay monroe
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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 08:00:25 -0500 (EST) ROGER HALE via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Well, for my .02, first rent the type of vehicle you want and take it
>> on a drive of over 2-3 hours.  Then see how your butt and back and legs
>> feel.  I have a 2008 Ford Escape that is a good little SUV, but the
>> seats suck big time.  Great for short trips, but long trips wear you
>> out.  If the vehicle you want is built on a truck frame, run away.  And
>> look for a vehicle with seats that have padding at least 6 inches and
>> good lumbar support.  Then you will be happy.  You can fix the
>> mechanicals, but you can't replace bad seats without ruining the
>> interior appearance.  My no joy is that Ford did not offer a better
>> seat for the 2008 Escape.
> 
> They continue to not offer better seats. The one we had as a rental in
> OKC in June was difficult to ride in.
> 
> 
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

That is a defining issue for me.  Seats in the car have to allow for a 24 hour 
road trip where I arrive tired because I did not sleep enough, not that I am 
wracked with pain from the torment of the seating.  The family hates to ride 
with me because of the forced march attitude.  SEA to DIA was done as 
overnights both there and back.  Same with SEA to XWA, though that involved a 
one way and then round trip within seven days.  Both trips were in an S class.  
I was tired mostest because i had to ride Amtrak for the initial return leg 
from XWA.


clay monroe
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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 8:29 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Agreed.  Sound advice!
> Many of the asian cars suck in terms of comfort. (and they all suck in many 
> other ways)
> 
> My 66 bronco killed my (then young) butt in a 60 mile drive; the first time I 
> took it on the highway.   In that time, I determined it was the seat.   I 
> procured 2 volvo seats and mounting brackets from the junkyard, modified the 
> brackets to fit the frod, and installed.   After that, it was MORE 
> comfortable than my MB.   The frod seat went straight to the landfill.
> 
>> ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
>> November 15, 2018 at 7:00 AM
>> Well, for my .02, first rent the type of vehicle you want and take it on a 
>> drive of over 2-3 hours. Then see how your butt and back and legs feel. I 
>> have a 2008 Ford Escape that is a good little SUV, but the seats suck big 
>> time. Great for short trips, but long trips wear you out. If the vehicle you 
>> want is built on a truck frame, run away. And look for a vehicle with seats 
>> that have padding at least 6 inches and good lumbar support. Then you will 
>> be happy. You can fix the mechanicals, but you can't replace bad seats 
>> without ruining the interior appearance. My no joy is that Ford did not 
>> offer a better seat for the 2008 Escape.
>> 
>> Again, just some extra thoughts.
>> 
>> Good luck and best wishes,
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> Roger Hale
>> Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
>> Monroe, Ga.
>> 770-267-0850
>> www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

I counter with this

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/very-rare-1984-mercedes-240td/6750191583.html

Should make Kaleb very tumescent

clay monroe
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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 12:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How about a Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, or a Marauder? Big enough, dead nuts 
> reliable, and NOT Asian. Explain to SWMBO that they were built in Canada. You 
> want one newer than 2002, as they changed the intake manifold around then. 
> Dan P. had one, and I think Donald Snook did too. Perhaps one of those 
> gentlemen will opine. Here's some examples. I specifically avoided the cop 
> car looking ones.
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/d/2004-ford-crown-victoria-lx/6720187001.html
> 
> https://wenatchee.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-crown-victoria-lx/6748267590.html
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/2008-ford-crown-victoria-p71/6725772386.html
> 
> https://salem.craigslist.org/cto/d/2008-crown-victoria-25k-miles/6744228451.html
> 
> https://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/d/low-miles-reliable-must-sell/6737373723.html
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/2006-ford-crown-victoria-lx/6732637147.html
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: November 15, 2018 12:05 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
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> Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] If not the SD
> 
> 
> Your list of asian cars is disgusting. All asian cars are disgusting for that 
> matter and I view their owners with disdain. Buy a BMW X3 or something.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Routan then.   Izz imported.
>> 
>>> clay monroe via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> November 14, 2018 at 6:08 PM
>>> “Merkun iron does not meet the reliable criteria I have to work under
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay monroe
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I do not call the shots on this.  I do cash, she does big money.  My cars come 
to me for low money, engine repair is big money.  Fresh “reliable” cars are big 
money too.  The POS PITA W220 was supposed to be a good car. It was for a year 
and a half.

clay monroe
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> On Nov 14, 2018, at 10:04 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Your list of asian cars is disgusting. All asian cars are disgusting for that 
> matter and I view their owners with disdain. Buy a BMW X3 or something. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Routan then.   Izz imported.
>> 
>>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>>> November 14, 2018 at 6:08 PM
>>> “Merkun iron does not meet the reliable criteria I have to work under
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay monroe
>>> redgh...@comcast.net
>>> 
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Any hijinx on my part will have me here

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1978-argosy-motorhome-by-airstream-28/


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> On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:55 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I remember the last time I bought a red ball cap, it was 30 years ago and the 
cap said HRC on it. Can't believe I paid $10 for it when minimum wage was $3.35 
an hour. 
(Honda Racing Corp, not Hillary Rodham Clinton)

But I reallly want one of these:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Avenatti_hat_jpg-739509.JPG

Mitch.

> On November 15, 2018 at 6:39 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You won't lose me even though I would never wear one.

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

they reincarnated the dead japanese designers from the 50s, 60s and 
early 70s.   FgLY!



Dimitri via Mercedes 
November 15, 2018 at 6:29 PM
And the Ford sedans have WAY better styling than that nasty Japanese 
junk. Have you seen the Toyotas of late? They are beyond hideous. I 
mean what the hell are their designers thinking?




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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

My w211 (2005 E320 4matic)  Is a,great car. Doesn't  stir my soul like my
123's,& 124 but it is clearly a very well engineered MB. The 4MATIC with
ESP  tied to ABS is,a great winter car here.  It handles superbly &  rides
so smooth over bad roads.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 15, 2018 7:03 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

I think the w211 is a good car. Dwight has one and it seems pretty solid.
The w204 is supposed to be pretty reliable as well and it has nice styling.
No reason to cop out and buy a trashy asian car.

And yes American cars and especially trucks are pretty dang solid. A friend
has a 2004 ram 1500 with hemi with over 250,000 miles. Engine and tranny
have needed nothing. It’s even sporting the original spark plugs.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> better yet, buy a 211 or 210, take off the stars and put on the goofy T
or L emblems from the P
>
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> November 15, 2018 at 8:36 AM
>> Ok, get some toada badges at knackers, glue them on a crown Vic or a big
Buick sedan, replace the tail lights with Ricer LED-type, and make your own
"foreign" car...
>>
>> Some of the newer Mercedes would probably work better at making a fake
ricer...
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

but one of the criteria was to haul 4 adults over long distances in 
comfort.   The crown vic might do that if the air suspension is working, 
but IMHO, that requirement as well as the "no Merkun iron" leave out the 
focii.


If I had to buy a newish car, I'd buy a frod, shovey or a korean kaddilak.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
November 15, 2018 at 6:10 PM
While I know they’re probably not a contender, the Ford sedans of late 
have been pretty bulletproof. I had the youngest son in a Focus for a 
few years when he first started driving, and it was pretty rugged and 
took little to maintain, I can’t recall ever having any issues with it.


Dan





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[Dimitri via Mercedes]

And the Ford sedans have WAY better styling than that nasty Japanese junk. Have 
you seen the Toyotas of late? They are beyond hideous. I mean what the hell are 
their designers thinking?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> While I know they’re probably not a contender, the Ford sedans of late have 
> been pretty bulletproof.  I had the youngest son in a Focus for a few years 
> when he first started driving, and it was pretty rugged and took little to 
> maintain, I can’t recall ever having any issues with it.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Nov 15, 2018, at 7:01 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> And yes American cars and especially trucks are pretty dang solid. A friend 
>> has a 2004 ram 1500 with hemi with over 250,000 miles. Engine and tranny 
>> have needed nothing. It’s even sporting the original spark plugs.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

While I know they’re probably not a contender, the Ford sedans of late have 
been pretty bulletproof.  I had the youngest son in a Focus for a few years 
when he first started driving, and it was pretty rugged and took little to 
maintain, I can’t recall ever having any issues with it.

Dan


> On Nov 15, 2018, at 7:01 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> And yes American cars and especially trucks are pretty dang solid. A friend 
> has a 2004 ram 1500 with hemi with over 250,000 miles. Engine and tranny have 
> needed nothing. It’s even sporting the original spark plugs.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


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[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Haha thanks! That’s because you are a reasonable person! I would never really 
wear one either but I just use it to taunt my ultra liberal friends-especially 
those from California!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2018, at 6:39 PM, Dwight Giles  wrote:
> 
> You won't lose me even though I would never wear one. 
> 
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
> 
> On Nov 15, 2018 6:35 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes"  wrote:
> Yeah funny how they freak out over the red hat! So should I dare post a 
> picture of myself in the red hat on Facebook? I might lose a bunch of FB 
> friends but do I care?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Nov 15, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Even andy would have to admit it is entertaining to watch the -ists self 
> > destruct if you wave a red hat in front of 'em
> > 
> > Good entertainment watching the stripper shyster self destruct also.I'm 
> > gonna get some popcorn and watch.
> > 
> >> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
> >> November 15, 2018 at 7:39 AM
> >> MAGA hat?
> >> Democrats get triggered by those things...
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jtlh-rXNm8
> >> 
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[Dimitri via Mercedes]

I think the w211 is a good car. Dwight has one and it seems pretty solid. The 
w204 is supposed to be pretty reliable as well and it has nice styling. No 
reason to cop out and buy a trashy asian car.  

And yes American cars and especially trucks are pretty dang solid. A friend has 
a 2004 ram 1500 with hemi with over 250,000 miles. Engine and tranny have 
needed nothing. It’s even sporting the original spark plugs.

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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> better yet, buy a 211 or 210, take off the stars and put on the goofy T or L 
> emblems from the P
> 
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> November 15, 2018 at 8:36 AM
>> Ok, get some toada badges at knackers, glue them on a crown Vic or a big 
>> Buick sedan, replace the tail lights with Ricer LED-type, and make your own 
>> "foreign" car...
>> 
>> Some of the newer Mercedes would probably work better at making a fake 
>> ricer...
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[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

You won't lose me even though I would never wear one.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Nov 15, 2018 6:35 PM, "Dimitri via Mercedes" 
wrote:

Yeah funny how they freak out over the red hat! So should I dare post a
picture of myself in the red hat on Facebook? I might lose a bunch of FB
friends but do I care?

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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
> Even andy would have to admit it is entertaining to watch the -ists self
destruct if you wave a red hat in front of 'em
>
> Good entertainment watching the stripper shyster self destruct also.
I'm gonna get some popcorn and watch.
>
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> November 15, 2018 at 7:39 AM
>> MAGA hat?
>> Democrats get triggered by those things...
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jtlh-rXNm8
>>
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[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Yeah funny how they freak out over the red hat! So should I dare post a picture 
of myself in the red hat on Facebook? I might lose a bunch of FB friends but do 
I care?

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> On Nov 15, 2018, at 11:35 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Even andy would have to admit it is entertaining to watch the -ists self 
> destruct if you wave a red hat in front of 'em
> 
> Good entertainment watching the stripper shyster self destruct also.I'm 
> gonna get some popcorn and watch.
> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> November 15, 2018 at 7:39 AM
>> MAGA hat?
>> Democrats get triggered by those things...
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jtlh-rXNm8
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 08:00:25 -0500 (EST) ROGER HALE via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Well, for my .02, first rent the type of vehicle you want and take it
> on a drive of over 2-3 hours.  Then see how your butt and back and legs
> feel.  I have a 2008 Ford Escape that is a good little SUV, but the
> seats suck big time.  Great for short trips, but long trips wear you
> out.  If the vehicle you want is built on a truck frame, run away.  And
> look for a vehicle with seats that have padding at least 6 inches and
> good lumbar support.  Then you will be happy.  You can fix the
> mechanicals, but you can't replace bad seats without ruining the
> interior appearance.  My no joy is that Ford did not offer a better
> seat for the 2008 Escape.

They continue to not offer better seats. The one we had as a rental in
OKC in June was difficult to ride in.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Creepy Porn Lawyer gets arrested:
http://www.tmz.com/2018/11/14/michael-avenatti-arrested-domestic-violence-stormy-daniels-attorney/

> Good entertainment watching the stripper shyster self destruct also.
> I'm gonna get some popcorn and watch.
>

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

better yet, buy a 211 or 210, take off the stars and put on the goofy T 
or L emblems from the P



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
November 15, 2018 at 8:36 AM
Ok, get some toada badges at knackers, glue them on a crown Vic or a 
big Buick sedan, replace the tail lights with Ricer LED-type, and make 
your own "foreign" car...


Some of the newer Mercedes would probably work better at making a fake 
ricer...


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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 14/11/2018 6:08 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

“Merkun iron does not meet the reliable criteria I have to work under


clay monroe


If you are compelled to buy Asian, then I suggest you look for a good 
Lexus. I have a friend who has had 2 used Lexus and he absolutely loves 
them. The first was the big sedan of about 2000 vintage and it was 
written off after he drove over a chunk of concrete that damaged the oil 
pan etc. He felt very bad about it as he had kept it in very nice 
condition. It really reminded me of the bigger Mercedes sedans.


He has a newer Lexus now. I am uncertain of the vintage but likely about 
a 2007. A very nice car as well but I cannot really say that I like the 
newer styling as well as I did the older more boxy version. In any 
event, he is very happy with it and it is causing no trouble.


He had, back when it was almost new, an E430 4Matic (maybe a 2002?) that 
was a very nice car but caused them a fair amount of trouble. They did 
not keep it long. His wife's car at the time as he was driving an 
Infinity SUV. He had it a long while but rust caused an unrepairable 
issue where some of the front suspension or steering attached and it had 
to be junked.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Even andy would have to admit it is entertaining to watch the -ists self 
destruct if you wave a red hat in front of 'em


Good entertainment watching the stripper shyster self destruct also.
I'm gonna get some popcorn and watch.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 15, 2018 at 7:39 AM
MAGA hat?
Democrats get triggered by those things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jtlh-rXNm8





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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Her mind is made up!  DON'T try to confuse 'er with the facts!!!

Clay should buy a toada that has never had the oil changed, let her 
drive it a few miles till it craps out and needs a very expensive new 
engine.   See if that fixes 'er!



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
November 15, 2018 at 7:30 AM
Yea sure. I seem to recall seeing somewhere that Merkun is actually 
more reliable now that Toada.


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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Agreed.  Sound advice!
Many of the asian cars suck in terms of comfort. (and they all suck in 
many other ways)


My 66 bronco killed my (then young) butt in a 60 mile drive; the first 
time I took it on the highway.   In that time, I determined it was the 
seat.   I procured 2 volvo seats and mounting brackets from the 
junkyard, modified the brackets to fit the frod, and installed.   After 
that, it was MORE comfortable than my MB.   The frod seat went straight 
to the landfill.



ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
November 15, 2018 at 7:00 AM
Well, for my .02, first rent the type of vehicle you want and take it 
on a drive of over 2-3 hours. Then see how your butt and back and legs 
feel. I have a 2008 Ford Escape that is a good little SUV, but the 
seats suck big time. Great for short trips, but long trips wear you 
out. If the vehicle you want is built on a truck frame, run away. And 
look for a vehicle with seats that have padding at least 6 inches and 
good lumbar support. Then you will be happy. You can fix the 
mechanicals, but you can't replace bad seats without ruining the 
interior appearance. My no joy is that Ford did not offer a better 
seat for the 2008 Escape.


Again, just some extra thoughts.

Good luck and best wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com


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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Ok, get some toada badges at knackers, glue them on a crown Vic or a big Buick 
sedan, replace the tail lights with Ricer  LED-type, and make your own 
"foreign" car...

Some of the newer Mercedes would probably work better at making a fake ricer...
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

MAGA hat?
Democrats get triggered by those things...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jtlh-rXNm8

> On November 15, 2018 at 1:07 AM Dimitri via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> You need to wear your MAGA hat then. See how they like that.

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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea sure. I seem to recall seeing somewhere that Merkun is actually more 
reliable now that Toada.

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> On Nov 14, 2018, at 11:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> SWMBO said no Merkun iron.She only wants a toada.  Consumer reports sez 
> they never need repair, never need the oil changed etc. etc.
> 
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>> November 14, 2018 at 10:55 PM
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-oldsmobile-custom-cruiser-wagon/
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Well, for my .02, first rent the type of vehicle you want and take it on a 
drive of over 2-3 hours.  Then see how your butt and back and legs feel.  I 
have a 2008 Ford Escape that is a good little SUV, but the seats suck big time. 
 Great for short trips, but long trips wear you out.  If the vehicle you want 
is built on a truck frame, run away.  And look for a vehicle with seats that 
have padding at least 6 inches and good lumbar support.  Then you will be 
happy.  You can fix the mechanicals, but you can't replace bad seats without 
ruining the interior appearance.  My no joy is that Ford did not offer a better 
seat for the 2008 Escape.

Again, just some extra thoughts.

Good luck and best wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Good choice.  Crown Vics are pretty indestructible, cheap to operate and repair.

-D


> On Nov 15, 2018, at 3:16 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> How about a Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, or a Marauder? Big enough, dead nuts 
> reliable, and NOT Asian. Explain to SWMBO that they were built in Canada. You 
> want one newer than 2002, as they changed the intake manifold around then. 
> Dan P. had one, and I think Donald Snook did too. Perhaps one of those 
> gentlemen will opine. Here's some examples. I specifically avoided the cop 
> car looking ones.
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/d/2004-ford-crown-victoria-lx/6720187001.html
> 
> https://wenatchee.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-crown-victoria-lx/6748267590.html
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/2008-ford-crown-victoria-p71/6725772386.html
> 
> https://salem.craigslist.org/cto/d/2008-crown-victoria-25k-miles/6744228451.html
> 
> https://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/d/low-miles-reliable-must-sell/6737373723.html
> 
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/2006-ford-crown-victoria-lx/6732637147.html
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> From: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Sent: November 15, 2018 12:05 AM
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Reply-to: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] If not the SD
> 
> 
> Your list of asian cars is disgusting. All asian cars are disgusting for that 
> matter and I view their owners with disdain. Buy a BMW X3 or something.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Routan then.   Izz imported.
>> 
>>> clay monroe via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> November 14, 2018 at 6:08 PM
>>> “Merkun iron does not meet the reliable criteria I have to work under
>>> 
>>> 
>>> clay monroe
>>> redgh...@comcast.net<mailto:redgh...@comcast.net>
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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

How about a Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, or a Marauder? Big enough, dead nuts 
reliable, and NOT Asian. Explain to SWMBO that they were built in Canada. You 
want one newer than 2002, as they changed the intake manifold around then. Dan 
P. had one, and I think Donald Snook did too. Perhaps one of those gentlemen 
will opine. Here's some examples. I specifically avoided the cop car looking 
ones.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/cto/d/2004-ford-crown-victoria-lx/6720187001.html

https://wenatchee.craigslist.org/cto/d/2003-crown-victoria-lx/6748267590.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/cto/d/2008-ford-crown-victoria-p71/6725772386.html

https://salem.craigslist.org/cto/d/2008-crown-victoria-25k-miles/6744228451.html

https://spokane.craigslist.org/cto/d/low-miles-reliable-must-sell/6737373723.html

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/2006-ford-crown-victoria-lx/6732637147.html


Rick

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Cc: dsereta...@yahoo.com
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Your list of asian cars is disgusting. All asian cars are disgusting for that 
matter and I view their owners with disdain. Buy a BMW X3 or something.

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> On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
>
> Routan then.   Izz imported.
>
>> clay monroe via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> November 14, 2018 at 6:08 PM
>> “Merkun iron does not meet the reliable criteria I have to work under
>>
>>
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net<mailto:redgh...@comcast.net>

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Re: [MBZ] If not the SD....

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

You need to wear your MAGA hat then. See how they like that.

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> On Nov 14, 2018, at 9:04 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I did give a thought to hybrid, being in the land of wimps and barista 
> hipsters.  Big trucks are for the rednecks in the outlying rural areas.  I 
> park that on my street and all the eco queers would protest and attack my home
> 
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 14, 2018, at 5:53 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> SWMBO had ruled out Merkun iron, according to Clay.   So it'd have to be a 
>> toada tundra:   Much less "truck" for much more money.
>> 
>> 
>> Otherwise, the heavy half or 3/4 ton peekup, ta hoe or suburban hoe types 
>> are good choices.
>> 
>> Although the F250 has AK cred.
>> 
>> 
>>> tyee165 via Mercedes 
>>> November 14, 2018 at 6:50 PM
>>> F150 supercrew4 doorsSeats 6 if you don't get bucket seats in frontBig box 
>>> to haul stuffTonneau cover if you want to hide box contentsReliable as can 
>>> be My previous one was an 02My son has it nowOver 200k miles now with no 
>>> major issues except ruxr is getting the rockersRBSent from my Galaxy Tab® A
>>> 
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[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Your list of asian cars is disgusting. All asian cars are disgusting for that 
matter and I view their owners with disdain. Buy a BMW X3 or something. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2018, at 8:45 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Routan then.   Izz imported.
> 
>> clay monroe via Mercedes 
>> November 14, 2018 at 6:08 PM
>> “Merkun iron does not meet the reliable criteria I have to work under
>> 
>> 
>> clay monroe
>> redgh...@comcast.net
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

SWMBO said no Merkun iron.She only wants a toada.  Consumer reports 
sez they never need repair, never need the oil changed etc. etc.



Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
November 14, 2018 at 10:55 PM
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1989-oldsmobile-custom-cruiser-wagon/

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