Re: [MBZ] OT tires
On your advice I ordered a set of Vredestein Quatrac Pro XL for her car. $689 plus what I will have to pay the shop to install them. I will refer her to you with any complaints. On Sun, Jan 29, 2023, at 23:27, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > Tires were purchased 12/22 > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 11:52 PM Allan Streib wrote: >> __ >> I do have to say that I checked Vredestein for her car and they are about >> the same price. Also much better rated in snow than the ones I was looking >> at, and that is a prime consideration. We don't get a ton of snow here but >> one of her complaints about the OE tires was they were bad in the snow so I >> don't want to have that go unresolved especially paying nearly $800. >> >> How are the Vredesteins as far as noise? That is her other complaint. >> >> I will have to ask the shop what they would charge to mount/balance if I >> bring them the tires. >> >> Allan >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 22:07, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: >>> I paid exactly the same for 4 Vredestein 19" all weather V rated radials >>> for the GLK 250. Including balancing, etc. >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 5:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes >>> wrote: No, that was the wife's car, VW Jetta. But with tire prices that high, I'm guessing the tires on the Focus are worth more than the rest of the corpse. On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 17:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > That is the cost for tires on a focus? Wow! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Just got a quote for tires for wife's car. $775 out the door mounted >> balanced lifetime free repair and rotation. This is for mid-tier >> nice-ish all-season tires. >> >> At these prices the tires on the Focus (which are all good -- about the >> only good thing on the car) are worth more than the rest of the car. I >> should scrap it without the tires and find a replacement that takes the >> same size. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT tires
Tires were purchased 12/22 On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 11:52 PM Allan Streib wrote: > I do have to say that I checked Vredestein for her car and they are about > the same price. Also much better rated in snow than the ones I was looking > at, and that is a prime consideration. We don't get a ton of snow here but > one of her complaints about the OE tires was they were bad in the snow so I > don't want to have that go unresolved especially paying nearly $800. > > How are the Vredesteins as far as noise? That is her other complaint. > > I will have to ask the shop what they would charge to mount/balance if I > bring them the tires. > > Allan > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 22:07, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > I paid exactly the same for 4 Vredestein 19" all weather V rated radials > for the GLK 250. Including balancing, etc. > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 5:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > No, that was the wife's car, VW Jetta. > > But with tire prices that high, I'm guessing the tires on the Focus are > worth more than the rest of the corpse. > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 17:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > That is the cost for tires on a focus? Wow! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 28, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Just got a quote for tires for wife's car. $775 out the door mounted > balanced lifetime free repair and rotation. This is for mid-tier nice-ish > all-season tires. > >> > >> At these prices the tires on the Focus (which are all good -- about the > only good thing on the car) are worth more than the rest of the car. I > should scrap it without the tires and find a replacement that takes the > same size. > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT tires
I do have to say that I checked Vredestein for her car and they are about the same price. Also much better rated in snow than the ones I was looking at, and that is a prime consideration. We don't get a ton of snow here but one of her complaints about the OE tires was they were bad in the snow so I don't want to have that go unresolved especially paying nearly $800. How are the Vredesteins as far as noise? That is her other complaint. I will have to ask the shop what they would charge to mount/balance if I bring them the tires. Allan On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 22:07, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > I paid exactly the same for 4 Vredestein 19" all weather V rated radials for > the GLK 250. Including balancing, etc. > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 5:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: >> No, that was the wife's car, VW Jetta. >> >> But with tire prices that high, I'm guessing the tires on the Focus are >> worth more than the rest of the corpse. >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 17:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> > That is the cost for tires on a focus? Wow! >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jan 28, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Just got a quote for tires for wife's car. $775 out the door mounted >> >> balanced lifetime free repair and rotation. This is for mid-tier nice-ish >> >> all-season tires. >> >> >> >> At these prices the tires on the Focus (which are all good -- about the >> >> only good thing on the car) are worth more than the rest of the car. I >> >> should scrap it without the tires and find a replacement that takes the >> >> same size. >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT tires
How long ago? On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 22:07, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > I paid exactly the same for 4 Vredestein 19" all weather V rated radials for > the GLK 250. Including balancing, etc. > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 5:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: >> No, that was the wife's car, VW Jetta. >> >> But with tire prices that high, I'm guessing the tires on the Focus are >> worth more than the rest of the corpse. >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 17:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> > That is the cost for tires on a focus? Wow! >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Jan 28, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Just got a quote for tires for wife's car. $775 out the door mounted >> >> balanced lifetime free repair and rotation. This is for mid-tier nice-ish >> >> all-season tires. >> >> >> >> At these prices the tires on the Focus (which are all good -- about the >> >> only good thing on the car) are worth more than the rest of the car. I >> >> should scrap it without the tires and find a replacement that takes the >> >> same size. >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT tires
I paid exactly the same for 4 Vredestein 19" all weather V rated radials for the GLK 250. Including balancing, etc. On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 5:18 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > No, that was the wife's car, VW Jetta. > > But with tire prices that high, I'm guessing the tires on the Focus are > worth more than the rest of the corpse. > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 17:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > > That is the cost for tires on a focus? Wow! > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jan 28, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >> Just got a quote for tires for wife's car. $775 out the door mounted > balanced lifetime free repair and rotation. This is for mid-tier nice-ish > all-season tires. > >> > >> At these prices the tires on the Focus (which are all good -- about the > only good thing on the car) are worth more than the rest of the car. I > should scrap it without the tires and find a replacement that takes the > same size. > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT tires
No, that was the wife's car, VW Jetta. But with tire prices that high, I'm guessing the tires on the Focus are worth more than the rest of the corpse. On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, at 17:10, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > That is the cost for tires on a focus? Wow! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Just got a quote for tires for wife's car. $775 out the door mounted >> balanced lifetime free repair and rotation. This is for mid-tier nice-ish >> all-season tires. >> >> At these prices the tires on the Focus (which are all good -- about the only >> good thing on the car) are worth more than the rest of the car. I should >> scrap it without the tires and find a replacement that takes the same size. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT tires
That is the cost for tires on a focus? Wow! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2023, at 4:09 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes > wrote: > > Just got a quote for tires for wife's car. $775 out the door mounted > balanced lifetime free repair and rotation. This is for mid-tier nice-ish > all-season tires. > > At these prices the tires on the Focus (which are all good -- about the only > good thing on the car) are worth more than the rest of the car. I should > scrap it without the tires and find a replacement that takes the same size. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT tires
Just got a quote for tires for wife's car. $775 out the door mounted balanced lifetime free repair and rotation. This is for mid-tier nice-ish all-season tires. At these prices the tires on the Focus (which are all good -- about the only good thing on the car) are worth more than the rest of the car. I should scrap it without the tires and find a replacement that takes the same size. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Run flats are a scam. They cost more, go flat more, and no one will patch or plug one. So you buy another whole overpriced tire every time you have a flat. And they are heavier rotating mass. All cost, no benefit. Everything gets new michelins except the 300tdt running hankooks for $85 a copy. They might be better tires than the michelins. I ran used tires for years. John McPhee wrote a nice essay about the place I used to go in Balto. On Jan 26, 2015 12:46 PM, "Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes" < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Kinda related... I just called my local tire shop to get a set of hard to > find 19" snows for, um, a newer car. Run flats, big ones, Pirellis, $1800 > installed. Yikes! > > When I get quoted $100-150/tire for a nice set of 14" tires for my cars, I > don't complain. Last set of 14" tires I bought for a '84 300SD was back in > October... I ended up with a good deal on Generals for $95 and I'm very > satisfied. That car did well on the way to work this morning on the local > snow covered roads around here, left by the early part of the big storm on > its way tonight. > > Jaime > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > Ok, OK I am a BAD person. Enough already. > > > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > What my grandmother used to call penny wise & pound foolish. Once I got > > > out of college I never sgain skimped on tires. In HS we used to get > used > > > ones from junk yard. Pre radial days. > > > On Jan 26, 2015 3:33 PM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes" < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > The most irritating $100 I ever saved was when I didn’t buy the > > > > Michelins. Just sayin’. > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < > > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my > > > 2000 > > > > BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great > > > tires. > > > > They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 > miles > > on > > > > the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more > > > > moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used > > > > michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is > 10/32). > > > So, > > > > they are barely used. I wonder if used Michelins are better than > new > > > > cheaper tires. I don't want to replace them with 4 new Michelins, > > > because > > > > for this style and size, its about $800. > > > > > > > > > > This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in > > recent > > > > months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear > brakes, > > > and > > > > replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of about > > > $850. > > > > > > > > > > Donald H. Snook > > > > > ___ > > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, > > those > > > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > > owner > > > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, > those > > > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > > owner > > > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner > > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the conte
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
I bought Sumitomo tires for SWMBO's Infiniti, no problems so far. The model is HTR A/S PO1. Only been on the car for a couple years, maybe 20k miles. -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Thats at the New Hampshire Snowmobile Museum show which is always right around Valentines day. That was 2002 which I remember was pretty cold. I think that was the year I spent all kinds of time loaning out my 10mm socket so people could pull the recoil off their engines when they pulled the cord and it stayed out. We rode all over the place on that little machine the two of us just like in the picture. It was the only machine I had that I could keep running... -Curt From: Max Dillon To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires Curt, that picture makes me smile. I, too, used to live in a climate that required dressing for outside like one intended to walk on the moon... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC On January 27, 2015 1:12:15 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >Heh, thats why I like my old Ski-Doo Olympique, 12hp, 30mph would be >the flat max top speed but you're 4" from the ground and theres 1/2" of >suspension travel. 25mph feels like 100mph. >Here's the beast at a show back in >2002: http://deadsledwrenchers.net/skidoo/angieandmesm.jpg >-Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Curt, that picture makes me smile. I, too, used to live in a climate that required dressing for outside like one intended to walk on the moon... -- Max Dillon Charleston, SC On January 27, 2015 1:12:15 PM EST, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: >Heh, thats why I like my old Ski-Doo Olympique, 12hp, 30mph would be >the flat max top speed but you're 4" from the ground and theres 1/2" of >suspension travel. 25mph feels like 100mph. >Here's the beast at a show back in >2002: http://deadsledwrenchers.net/skidoo/angieandmesm.jpg >-Curt > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: My parents had a Jeep Cherokee that had the worst offroad tires I've ever seen, that thing would get stuck on wet grass. When those wore out dad put another set of the EXACT SAME DANG TIRES on. I said "Geez dad, those tires sucked offroad, why'd you get the same ones?" His answer was that they lasted 80,000 miles so they were good tires... Wears like iron. Grips like it too. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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IIRC 18hp makes it a 320cc although a '70 would be a 335. They also sold it with a 399cc that made IIRC 39hp or so which must have been insanely fast. Mine is the base model, no flip up headlight. My grandfather had a '69 320 with the flip up headlight that I continue to hold out hope I can find. My '70 sits behind the garage, it needs the area under the seat replaced, a little of the hood glass repaired, a new windshield gasket and the engine rebuilt again probably with an overbore this time. Its possible the rings are stuck which would explain 85psi compression but I'm not holding out too much hope on that. It runs but is awful hard to start. -Curt From: Randy Bennell To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires On 27/01/2015 12:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > Heh, thats why I like my old Ski-Doo Olympique, 12hp, 30mph would be the flat > max top speed but you're 4" from the ground and theres 1/2" of suspension > travel. 25mph feels like 100mph. > Here's the beast at a show back in 2002: > http://deadsledwrenchers.net/skidoo/angieandmesm.jpg > -Curt > > We had one like that. My father bought it new in about 1970 for $700. It was a good machine. I wish we still had it but my mother sold it after dad died in 1983. I also had one that looked like that with the 18HP motor and the hide-away headlight. It was a bit of a junker that I bought used. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I bought them once. They were awesome. On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Anyone have any experience or opinion about Sumitomo tires?I was > looking at these: > > http://www.sumitomotire.com/cars/products/Touring/tour_plus_lst.aspx > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Cathey [mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 2:01 AM > To: Andrew Strasfogel; Mercedes Discussion List > Cc: fmiser > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires > > > favorite brands of tires > > Still totally enamored of Nokian Hakkapeliitta snow tires, the studded > type. Hakka 1's, at first, but I think those are replaced with 4's, is > it? Jill's X5 is on its third year, and they seem like new still. Drives > great, and the thing never slips. > > -- Jim > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Anyone have any experience or opinion about Sumitomo tires?I was looking at these: http://www.sumitomotire.com/cars/products/Touring/tour_plus_lst.aspx -Original Message- From: Jim Cathey [mailto:jim.cathey...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 2:01 AM To: Andrew Strasfogel; Mercedes Discussion List Cc: fmiser Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires > favorite brands of tires Still totally enamored of Nokian Hakkapeliitta snow tires, the studded type. Hakka 1's, at first, but I think those are replaced with 4's, is it? Jill's X5 is on its third year, and they seem like new still. Drives great, and the thing never slips. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 27/01/2015 12:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: Heh, thats why I like my old Ski-Doo Olympique, 12hp, 30mph would be the flat max top speed but you're 4" from the ground and theres 1/2" of suspension travel. 25mph feels like 100mph. Here's the beast at a show back in 2002: http://deadsledwrenchers.net/skidoo/angieandmesm.jpg -Curt We had one like that. My father bought it new in about 1970 for $700. It was a good machine. I wish we still had it but my mother sold it after dad died in 1983. I also had one that looked like that with the 18HP motor and the hide-away headlight. It was a bit of a junker that I bought used. RB ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 16:25:42 + Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: > The spare was brand new but the date code on it was 2004. It should be replaced, too. Until then, don't drive FAST. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Heh, thats why I like my old Ski-Doo Olympique, 12hp, 30mph would be the flat max top speed but you're 4" from the ground and theres 1/2" of suspension travel. 25mph feels like 100mph. Here's the beast at a show back in 2002: http://deadsledwrenchers.net/skidoo/angieandmesm.jpg -Curt From: OK Don To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires The 300SDL was fine at 105, as was the 450SLC. I've had both of my BMWs over 100 - the R69S and the R100. I was worried that I would see the gas gauge drop to zero in the SLC though ...I do enjoy the higher speeds better when I'm well above the ground though :-) On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: I had my '85 190D up to about 95mph, it had more to do and was handling fine, I ran out of road and nerve about the police. I expect a 124 would handle just fine at 100+ -Curt -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens!"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves."WILL ROGERS, The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers2013 F150, 18 mpg2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The 300SDL was fine at 105, as was the 450SLC. I've had both of my BMWs over 100 - the R69S and the R100. I was worried that I would see the gas gauge drop to zero in the SLC though ... I do enjoy the higher speeds better when I'm well above the ground though :-) On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I had my '85 190D up to about 95mph, it had more to do and was handling > fine, I ran out of road and nerve about the police. I expect a 124 would > handle just fine at 100+ > -Curt > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I had my '85 190D up to about 95mph, it had more to do and was handling fine, I ran out of road and nerve about the police. I expect a 124 would handle just fine at 100+ -Curt From: Donald Snook via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires I wouldn’t drive that fast in anything other than a big heavy 7 series BMW or an S Class Mercedes. At 100, my car just cruises along. Seriously, it lots more to go and it tracks and drives great. Of course, it weighs 5000 lbs and has a pretty wide stance and good tires. My brother had a 1973 Pontiac Grand Am (with the 400 4 barrel engine) and we drove it faster than 120 mph. That was a scary ride. It wallowed and pitched and awe, as soon as the front end started to raise up, my brother finally backed off. Don Snook From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:42 AM To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires I would be scared sh*tl*ss to drifve that fast. On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: Well, I don't know if I will drive 120 mph. I have a few times, but not very often. AND only when I am by myself and the road is straight and flat for miles and only during the day. But, I do get up to 90-95 mph and even 100 when I am out on those stretches of road. I still haven't tried to top out the BMW. I am not sure what the top speed is, I would guess that there is a computer limit of 120 something, but I have heard claims of 140's in these cars. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com<mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:10 PM To: MG; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires Well, if I were planning to drive across a desolate stretch of Kansas at 120 mph I would definitely invest in a major brand of tire, and pay more for the very reason that Donald mentioned. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, MG via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > I have used three sets of those on my cars and haven't had any > complaints other than they seem a bit louder then some other tires. > Then again I don't need to drive in the snow with them, only rain. > > MG > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:41:40 -0600 > From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com<mailto:126die...@gmail.com>> > > > The offbrand goodyears, (primewell) don't look that good to me. Never > ran em. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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The SD really starts to feel comfortable at about 80, it just settles down and it is easy to creep it up close to 100 feeling very stable and comfortable as it speeds up too. These cars were built for that. I was driving back from Spartanburg Saturday, going 75 or so and getting passed by most everyone. Several were little dinky cars that did not look safe, stable, or comfortable at all, along with some Piouses. My truck feels fine at 80+, but I would worry about braking and maneuvering if I had to do anything quickly. --R On 1/27/15 11:48 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes wrote: I wouldn’t drive that fast in anything other than a big heavy 7 series BMW or an S Class Mercedes. At 100, my car just cruises along. Seriously, it lots more to go and it tracks and drives great. Of course, it weighs 5000 lbs and has a pretty wide stance and good tires. My brother had a 1973 Pontiac Grand Am (with the 400 4 barrel engine) and we drove it faster than 120 mph. That was a scary ride. It wallowed and pitched and awe, as soon as the front end started to raise up, my brother finally backed off. Don Snook From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:42 AM To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires I would be scared sh*tl*ss to drifve that fast. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I wouldn’t drive that fast in anything other than a big heavy 7 series BMW or an S Class Mercedes. At 100, my car just cruises along. Seriously, it lots more to go and it tracks and drives great. Of course, it weighs 5000 lbs and has a pretty wide stance and good tires. My brother had a 1973 Pontiac Grand Am (with the 400 4 barrel engine) and we drove it faster than 120 mph. That was a scary ride. It wallowed and pitched and awe, as soon as the front end started to raise up, my brother finally backed off. Don Snook From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:42 AM To: Donald Snook; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires I would be scared sh*tl*ss to drifve that fast. On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: Well, I don't know if I will drive 120 mph. I have a few times, but not very often. AND only when I am by myself and the road is straight and flat for miles and only during the day. But, I do get up to 90-95 mph and even 100 when I am out on those stretches of road. I still haven't tried to top out the BMW. I am not sure what the top speed is, I would guess that there is a computer limit of 120 something, but I have heard claims of 140's in these cars. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com<mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com>] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:10 PM To: MG; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires Well, if I were planning to drive across a desolate stretch of Kansas at 120 mph I would definitely invest in a major brand of tire, and pay more for the very reason that Donald mentioned. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, MG via Mercedes mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote: > I have used three sets of those on my cars and haven't had any > complaints other than they seem a bit louder then some other tires. > Then again I don't need to drive in the snow with them, only rain. > > MG > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:41:40 -0600 > From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com<mailto:126die...@gmail.com>> > > > The offbrand goodyears, (primewell) don't look that good to me. Never > ran em. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I would be scared sh*tl*ss to drifve that fast. On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 11:29 AM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Well, I don't know if I will drive 120 mph. I have a few times, but not > very often. AND only when I am by myself and the road is straight and flat > for miles and only during the day. But, I do get up to 90-95 mph and even > 100 when I am out on those stretches of road. I still haven't tried to top > out the BMW. I am not sure what the top speed is, I would guess that there > is a computer limit of 120 something, but I have heard claims of 140's in > these cars. > > Don Snook > > -Original Message- > From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:10 PM > To: MG; Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires > > Well, if I were planning to drive across a desolate stretch of Kansas at > 120 mph I would definitely invest in a major brand of tire, and pay more > for the very reason that Donald mentioned. > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, MG via Mercedes > wrote: > > > I have used three sets of those on my cars and haven't had any > > complaints other than they seem a bit louder then some other tires. > > Then again I don't need to drive in the snow with them, only rain. > > > > MG > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:41:40 -0600 > > From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > > > > > > The offbrand goodyears, (primewell) don't look that good to me. Never > > ran em. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each > contributor. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Well, I don't know if I will drive 120 mph. I have a few times, but not very often. AND only when I am by myself and the road is straight and flat for miles and only during the day. But, I do get up to 90-95 mph and even 100 when I am out on those stretches of road. I still haven't tried to top out the BMW. I am not sure what the top speed is, I would guess that there is a computer limit of 120 something, but I have heard claims of 140's in these cars. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:10 PM To: MG; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires Well, if I were planning to drive across a desolate stretch of Kansas at 120 mph I would definitely invest in a major brand of tire, and pay more for the very reason that Donald mentioned. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: > I have used three sets of those on my cars and haven't had any > complaints other than they seem a bit louder then some other tires. > Then again I don't need to drive in the snow with them, only rain. > > MG > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:41:40 -0600 > From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > > > The offbrand goodyears, (primewell) don't look that good to me. Never > ran em. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Curly wrote: "the reason is to see if they areREAL michelins with warranty or CLUB michelins that are crappy, and you should RUN AWAY!" Oh, good point. I did check the DOT numbers on the tires that are on my car just to see how old they are. They were made in 2008. I bought the car in July of 2011. I think (I can't remember exactly now) that it had 165,000 on it then. Now, I have 216,XXX. So, I have put over 51,000 miles on them and they were not new when I got them. So, I definitely cannot complain about these tires. Two of them are very worn and one was started to show a lot of cracking. I went ahead and put the spare tire on it until I can get my new ones. The spare was brand new but the date code on it was 2004. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Curly McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 4:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires >Curly wrote: > >"Can you take the tire serial numbers to a dealer and see if they have >warranty? I'd take the DOT number date code too. If they were not >sold by a club and have warranty and are not too old, i'd probably buy >the michelins. New michelins are overpriced." > >That's a very good idea. I will try that to see how old they are. >As far as the warranty, I have never been able to make a successful >warranty claim on tires. I have only tried to a couple of times. >Whenever I have had a car with worn out tires, I just replaced them. >The only time it ever worked was when I paid for a road hazard warranty >and actually hit some big ole nail on the highway, then >they paid for it. But, assuming you are talking about a mileage >warranty, I have never had luck with that. > the reason is to see if they areREAL michelins with warranty or CLUB michelins that are crappy, and you should RUN AWAY! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I also would probably do that,but given that the fastest I have ever driven was about 110 in a two year old MGC GT way back when and the fact that I live in Florida with little reason to drive anywhere near that fast I think that the Primewells do quite nicely for me. MG Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:09:51 -0500 From: Andrew Strasfogel Well, if I were planning to drive across a desolate stretch of Kansas at 120 mph I would definitely invest in a major brand of tire, and pay more for the very reason that Donald mentioned. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: > > I have used three sets of those on my cars and haven't had any complaints > > other than they seem a bit louder then some other tires. Then again I don't > > need to drive in the snow with them, only rain. > > > > MG > > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:41:40 -0600 > > From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > > > > > > The offbrand goodyears, (primewell) don't look that good to me. Never ran > > em. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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favorite brands of tires Still totally enamored of Nokian Hakkapeliitta snow tires, the studded type. Hakka 1's, at first, but I think those are replaced with 4's, is it? Jill's X5 is on its third year, and they seem like new still. Drives great, and the thing never slips. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Well, if I were planning to drive across a desolate stretch of Kansas at 120 mph I would definitely invest in a major brand of tire, and pay more for the very reason that Donald mentioned. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:09 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote: > I have used three sets of those on my cars and haven't had any complaints > other than they seem a bit louder then some other tires. Then again I don't > need to drive in the snow with them, only rain. > > MG > > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:41:40 -0600 > From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> > > > The offbrand goodyears, (primewell) don't look that good to me. Never ran > em. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I have used three sets of those on my cars and haven't had any complaints other than they seem a bit louder then some other tires. Then again I don't need to drive in the snow with them, only rain. MG Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:41:40 -0600 From: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com> The offbrand goodyears, (primewell) don't look that good to me. Never ran em. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I have a set of the general at2 on my truck that are on/off road tires. They have the wobble bad and I have got they truck stuck bad several times while moving cars both in my back yard and old Okie acres and in my pasture and Okie Rancho costa plenty Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2015, at 4:12 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > My parents had a Jeep Cherokee that had the worst offroad tires I've ever > seen, that thing would get stuck on wet grass. When those wore out dad put > another set of the EXACT SAME DANG TIRES on. I said "Geez dad, those tires > sucked offroad, why'd you get the same ones?" His answer was that they lasted > 80,000 miles so they were good tires... > Soured me on Jeep Cherokees which is probably unfair but my GMC S15 Jimmy was > a way better woods truck right out of the box than the Cherokee was. Kinda > wish I'd gotten to drive a stock Cherokee with better tires. The GMC was > still way more comfortable and got better gas mileage although with the 2.8 > v6 (vs 4.0 i6) it had way less power. > -Curt > From: Donald Snook via Mercedes > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires > > My prior BMW 7 series had Continentals and they were great in everything > except Snow. I had a set of bridgestone turanzas on one of old my older > Benz, I don't remember which and I really liked them. They were T rated. I > don't know if this is true, but it seems like the higher speed ratings are > better tires regardless of whether you drive fast or not. > > But, I have had several sets of Michelins and they do seem to last for a long > time and are safe. I have had ZERO luck with General tires. When I worked > at the dealership, we had more problems with the generals that were installed > at the factory than any others. My wife's SUV had Kumhos on it. They were > HARD, it was like they were aired up to 70 pounds. You could feel every > bump. But they lasted over 75,000 miles. > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Those are what I put in my 140 and 124 the last 2 sets I have bought Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:47 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes > wrote: > > Ditto? That you would buy the Michelins? I agree about not wanting to skimp > on the tires. That's why the only used tires I am even considering are top > name brands and they are barely used. Not only do I drive frequently with my > family in my car, but I drive even more (and even faster) by myself for work. > I have been totally impressed with these Michelins that are on here. Here > are the tires I have. They are also the same as the used set I am > considering. > > http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Primacy+MXV4&partnum=36HR6MXV4P&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes > > My BMW even did pretty well in the snow we have had this year with these > tires. > > Don Snook > > -Original Message- > From: OK Don [mailto:okd...@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 12:03 PM > To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires > > Ditto - what he said. Age is important for tires. Tires make a big difference > in how a car handles and drives. Don't skimp on tires. They are also a safety > item, and your family rides in that car sometimes. Just because you are > driving the last value out of that car does not mean that you don't have to > maintain it and keep it "up to snuff". > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > Can you take the tire serial numbers to a dealer and see if they have >> warranty? I'd take the DOT number date code too. If they were not >> sold by a club and have warranty and are not too old, i'd probably buy >> the michelins. New michelins are overpriced. > > -- > OK Don > > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for > themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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'Till you run out of clearance Clarence... -Curt From: Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes To: Craig ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires Sure, you can drive all sorts of stuff in the winter with the right tires. I've spent quite a bit of time behind the wheels of rear wheel drive V12 S classes with great success: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/5403428410/ My '88 911 was a tank in the snow, as was a 997 Carrera 4 was had when I was with Harman/Becker. Its all about tires. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I had to put new shoes on the w220, and went for Nokians, in the hopes they would do well in the wet. Not the winter tires, just the standard ones. Instead of club store michelins. Not overly impressed, but they work. #1 boy needed fresh shoes on the w140 and ended up with Pirelli. Those are really good. clay On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:42:20 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and >>> > rotating between sides was okay now. >>> >>> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. >>> Otherwise, all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to >>> separation events after they rotated tires across sides. >> >> We have Nokian WRG2s on our '95 E320 that have been on both sides of the >> car (and on the 'E420 that Kaleb now has) and have no tread separation. >> >> Craig > > I have always marked tires when switching summer to winter and back. > > BUT I have purchased used radial tires that have not been marked, and not > noticed any difference. I bought a set of 4 used blizzaks for the SDL, and > another used set for the van. Wore them all out with good service, so either > I won the 50/50 coin toss eight times in a row, of it didn't matter is you > switched direction. The former is not likely, so I'm guessing the latter, at > least with Blizzaks. > > In regard to Kaleb's comment about Michelins being worth the money, 40 years > ago when they were all made in France, I thought so... but every michelin I > had slipped its belts. (the wobble) So I no longer think they are worth the > money. YMMV, mine did... > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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For me, it is not just about lasting a long time, it is about performance too. I live in Kansas and I have to drive out to western Kansas sometimes for work. Have you ever driven in Western Kansas? It is like a nuclear war has happened. There are stretches where the road is flat all the way to the horizon and there aren't even trees. Seriously, sometimes you can see a farm house way in the distance. Total desolation. I want good tires for that area because I drive REALLY REALLY FAST through there and I want good tires because if I somehow blew out two tires, I would probably starve waiting for another sign of civilization. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Andrew Strasfogel [mailto:astrasfo...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 3:21 PM To: fmiser; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires All this talk about favorite brands of tires are. Does the choice of tire affect your driving pleasure, and if so, to counter any bias you'd have to ride blindfolded to see if you could tell the difference. Or is it just a matter of which one lasts the longest? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:18 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > Andrew wrote: > > > > So what would be your favorite tire brand if you were a blindfolded > > passenger... ? > > > > I have never been blindfolded in one of my cars, and I rarely am the > passenger - so why would that be a purchase criteria? Just asking. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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All this talk about favorite brands of tires are. Does the choice of tire affect your driving pleasure, and if so, to counter any bias you'd have to ride blindfolded to see if you could tell the difference. Or is it just a matter of which one lasts the longest? YES, it matters. sometimes you can tell blindfolded to answer your prior rhetorical question, I'd choose Continental, or another Euro brand. crappy tires like the cheap ones from wallyland will make the car wallow. wandering, imprecise steering etc. Euro tires are best for a euro car. Tires affect handling a LOT!(don't believe me? then why do race teams change tires all the time?) The only tires I had fail that were made in Europe are Michelins. Every Michelin I've had has failed. NONE of the other European made tires Iv'e had has ever failed. I've had a BUNCH of them in several brands. Metzler, Contenintal, Vredestein, Kleber, Pirelli probably missed some... Tire building is an art. so, a lot depends on the artist who built your tire on that shift on that day. We used to run a lot of 7.50-17.5 truck tires. It was a "low volume" size, so apparently the factories let people learn on that size, then they would graduate to the "high volume sizes" We never wore out a tire, they always came apart, until we bought a truck with worn Hercules tires on it. Those ran and ran and ran. They were still on it when the truck was sold a few years ago. The tires were over 30 years old, and not checked or rotted. So, brand may or may not matter, but the art of the tire builder and the materials do matter, Size and shift matter because the tire builder matters. The tire builder is a crapshoot, as we are never allowed to know who built the tire. So shift and tire size are a crapshoot too. One brand may be good for 123 size, and bad for 126 size, or vice versa. My guess as to why the Euro brands (except michelin) may be better is because employment is pretty stable in Yurp. If you are a tire builder, you pretty much a tire builder for life, unless you really screw up. A guy is not a tire builder one day and a crane operator the next in Yurp. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Curly wrote: "Can you take the tire serial numbers to a dealer and see if they have warranty? I'd take the DOT number date code too. If they were not sold by a club and have warranty and are not too old, i'd probably buy the michelins. New michelins are overpriced." That's a very good idea. I will try that to see how old they are. As far as the warranty, I have never been able to make a successful warranty claim on tires. I have only tried to a couple of times. Whenever I have had a car with worn out tires, I just replaced them. The only time it ever worked was when I paid for a road hazard warranty and actually hit some big ole nail on the highway, then they paid for it. But, assuming you are talking about a mileage warranty, I have never had luck with that. the reason is to see if they areREAL michelins with warranty or CLUB michelins that are crappy, and you should RUN AWAY! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Sure, you can drive all sorts of stuff in the winter with the right tires. I've spent quite a bit of time behind the wheels of rear wheel drive V12 S classes with great success: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jaimekop/5403428410/ My '88 911 was a tank in the snow, as was a 997 Carrera 4 was had when I was with Harman/Becker. Its all about tires. Jaime On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:46:38 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes > wrote: > > > Kinda related... I just called my local tire shop to get a set of hard > > to find 19" snows for, um, a newer car. > > You're being cagey here. What was the car? > > > > Run flats, big ones, Pirellis, $1800 installed. Yikes! > > Yikes, indeed! Is this a car you really want to drive in the winter? > What size are the tires you were quoted? > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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My parents had a Jeep Cherokee that had the worst offroad tires I've ever seen, that thing would get stuck on wet grass. When those wore out dad put another set of the EXACT SAME DANG TIRES on. I said "Geez dad, those tires sucked offroad, why'd you get the same ones?" His answer was that they lasted 80,000 miles so they were good tires... Soured me on Jeep Cherokees which is probably unfair but my GMC S15 Jimmy was a way better woods truck right out of the box than the Cherokee was. Kinda wish I'd gotten to drive a stock Cherokee with better tires. The GMC was still way more comfortable and got better gas mileage although with the 2.8 v6 (vs 4.0 i6) it had way less power. -Curt From: Donald Snook via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires My prior BMW 7 series had Continentals and they were great in everything except Snow. I had a set of bridgestone turanzas on one of old my older Benz, I don't remember which and I really liked them. They were T rated. I don't know if this is true, but it seems like the higher speed ratings are better tires regardless of whether you drive fast or not. But, I have had several sets of Michelins and they do seem to last for a long time and are safe. I have had ZERO luck with General tires. When I worked at the dealership, we had more problems with the generals that were installed at the factory than any others. My wife's SUV had Kumhos on it. They were HARD, it was like they were aired up to 70 pounds. You could feel every bump. But they lasted over 75,000 miles. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That reminds me of my old high school friend. He had an old Toyota truck when he turned 16 and he was so proud of it. We were out one weekend and he wanted to buy tires. We went to a used tire place and he found four raised white letter tires in the right size. But, the two sets were from two different brands. So, instead of having, for example, goodyear in the front and cooper in the back, he put the goodyears on one side front and back and the coopers on the other side. His rationale was you can't see both sides at once so it least it matches when you see one side. The funny thing was the name of the tire shop was "MAYPOP" USED TIRES. Don Snook -Original Message- From: Dwight Giles [mailto:dwight.gi...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Jon Agne Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires What my grandmother used to call penny wise & pound foolish. Once I got out of college I never sgain skimped on tires. In HS we used to get used ones from junk yard. Pre radial days. On Jan 26, 2015 3:33 PM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes" wrote: > The most irritating $100 I ever saved was when I didn’t buy the > Michelins. Just sayin’. > > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my > > 2000 > BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great tires. > They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 miles > on the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more > moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used > michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is 10/32). So, > they are barely used. I wonder if used Michelins are better than new > cheaper tires. I don't want to replace them with 4 new Michelins, because > for this style and size, its about $800. > > > > This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in > > recent > months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear > brakes, and replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of > about $850. > > > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, > > those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I am SO glad my BMW didn't have the Staggered wheel package. The tires for that are 235 50 18 and rears are 255 45 18. The equivalent Michelins for my car would be $1000 (plus shipping and installation, etc.) They do look cool, but that's a lot of dough for shoes for an old car. -Original Message- From: Dan Penoff [mailto:d...@penoff.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 12:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires My tires were never rotated, as the S500 has staggered wheels, so you can't move wheels around. I also believe the Bridgestones were directional. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. > Otherwise, all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to > separation events after they rotated tires across sides. > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and >> rotating between sides was okay now. >> Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: >> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 >> I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the >> tires off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different >> center caps so its easy) so I could rotate. >> -Curt >> >> -- >> > > OK Don > > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The > few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the > electric fence for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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My prior BMW 7 series had Continentals and they were great in everything except Snow. I had a set of bridgestone turanzas on one of old my older Benz, I don't remember which and I really liked them. They were T rated. I don't know if this is true, but it seems like the higher speed ratings are better tires regardless of whether you drive fast or not. But, I have had several sets of Michelins and they do seem to last for a long time and are safe. I have had ZERO luck with General tires. When I worked at the dealership, we had more problems with the generals that were installed at the factory than any others. My wife's SUV had Kumhos on it. They were HARD, it was like they were aired up to 70 pounds. You could feel every bump. But they lasted over 75,000 miles. -Original Message- From: Kaleb C. Striplin [mailto:ka...@striplin.net] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 12:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires I am just about to the point of using only Michelin on these cars. I have tried kumho, uniroyal, several general tires and it seems to me they have all had problems,. One set of generals developed a bubble in the side walk, others have had I guess it would be slipped belts in that they get out of round and cause a wobble at low speed. It just seems that while Michelin is expensive they are simply the best. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > My tires were never rotated, as the S500 has staggered wheels, so you can't > move wheels around. I also believe the Bridgestones were directional. > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. >> Otherwise, all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to >> separation events after they rotated tires across sides. >> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and >>> rotating between sides was okay now. >>> Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: >>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 >>> I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the >>> tires off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different >>> center caps so its easy) so I could rotate. >>> -Curt >>> >>> -- >> >> OK Don >> >> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! >> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The >> few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the >> electric fence for themselves." >> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Ditto? That you would buy the Michelins? I agree about not wanting to skimp on the tires. That's why the only used tires I am even considering are top name brands and they are barely used. Not only do I drive frequently with my family in my car, but I drive even more (and even faster) by myself for work. I have been totally impressed with these Michelins that are on here. Here are the tires I have. They are also the same as the used set I am considering. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Primacy+MXV4&partnum=36HR6MXV4P&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes My BMW even did pretty well in the snow we have had this year with these tires. Don Snook -Original Message- From: OK Don [mailto:okd...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 12:03 PM To: Curly McLain; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires Ditto - what he said. Age is important for tires. Tires make a big difference in how a car handles and drives. Don't skimp on tires. They are also a safety item, and your family rides in that car sometimes. Just because you are driving the last value out of that car does not mean that you don't have to maintain it and keep it "up to snuff". On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Can you take the tire serial numbers to a dealer and see if they have > warranty? I'd take the DOT number date code too. If they were not > sold by a club and have warranty and are not too old, i'd probably buy > the michelins. New michelins are overpriced. > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What tires do you like now days? Pretty agnostic these days. I like Blizzaks I like continentials, but they are usually now more expensive that some other good choices. In 30+ years and lotsa tars, I've NEVER had a continental go bad. I still think the ones made in die vaterland were better. It used to be that goodyears would always fail, but the van came with goodyears and we wore em out. in the last months I think one was was starting to wobble, but no complaints. 0ver 50k miles on them. Goodyears are still overpriced. For that money I think you can get michelins. The offbrand goodyears, (primewell) don't look that good to me. Never ran em. Put cooper CS4 on the van. We'll see how they do. I've had good service from generals, but the ones I've had are worthless on snow/ice don't like japanese brands except BS/firestone/blizzak Daughter had cheep chinee tires for a while, they self destructed. Most of the Euro brands are good, but no longer good prices or availability. Kleber, vredestein etc Put some no name tires from the farm store on one 240D last year. We will see how they do. The other 240D still has firestone snows on the back. THey are old, but doing well. SDL has no name tires on it that were on it when I bought it. Not high mileage tires, but it doesn't go far now. They are adequate. New tires would be worth more than the car. Quote of the week: I always said that "good tires (defined as sticky and round) are the best insurance you can buy." (and often the most valuable) most good tires are found in the mid range. Cheap ones are no good, expensive ones are a waste of money, especially when they don't stick or don't stay round. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Curly wrote: "Can you take the tire serial numbers to a dealer and see if they have warranty? I'd take the DOT number date code too. If they were not sold by a club and have warranty and are not too old, i'd probably buy the michelins. New michelins are overpriced." That's a very good idea. I will try that to see how old they are. As far as the warranty, I have never been able to make a successful warranty claim on tires. I have only tried to a couple of times. Whenever I have had a car with worn out tires, I just replaced them. The only time it ever worked was when I paid for a road hazard warranty and actually hit some big ole nail on the highway, then they paid for it. But, assuming you are talking about a mileage warranty, I have never had luck with that. Donald H. Snook Snook Law LLC 5020 E. Central Ave Suite A Wichita, Kansas 67208 T: 316-512-5608 E: d...@snooklawllc.com This confidential message may be subject to the attorney-client privilege or protected by the attorney work-product doctrine. If you have received this message in error, please delete it and notify me. -Original Message- From: Curly McLain [mailto:126die...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 11:26 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires >I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my >2000 BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been >great tires. They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over >40,000 miles on the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense >to buy 4 more moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can >also buy 4 used michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread >on them (new is 10/32). So, they are barely used. I wonder if >used Michelins are better than new cheaper tires. I don't want to >replace them with 4 new Michelins, because for this style and size, its >about $800. > >This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in recent >months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear brakes, >and replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of >about $850. > >Donald H. Snook >__ Can you take the tire serial numbers to a dealer and see if they have warranty? I'd take the DOT number date code too. If they were not sold by a club and have warranty and are not too old, i'd probably buy the michelins. New michelins are overpriced. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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All this talk about favorite brands of tires are. Does the choice of tire affect your driving pleasure, and if so, to counter any bias you'd have to ride blindfolded to see if you could tell the difference. Or is it just a matter of which one lasts the longest? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 4:18 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > > Andrew wrote: > > > > So what would be your favorite tire brand if you were a > > blindfolded passenger... ? > > > > I have never been blindfolded in one of my cars, and I rarely am > the passenger - so why would that be a purchase criteria? Just asking. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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> Andrew wrote: > > So what would be your favorite tire brand if you were a > blindfolded passenger... ? I have never been blindfolded in one of my cars, and I rarely am the passenger - so why would that be a purchase criteria? Just asking. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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So what would be your favorite tire brand if you were a blindfolded passenger, and tried out several different brands with someone else driving your vehicle? On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I'm a big fan of Vredestein. > > Biggest thing for me is they make summer tires that have a shorter life in > 195/70r14. I hate the idea of putting tires that last 80k miles on a car > I'm going to put 5k a year on. By the time they start to dry rot, I want > them to be worn out too. > > Jaime > > > On Monday, January 26, 2015, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > What tires do you like now days? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote: > > > > >> On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:42:20 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > >>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and > > >>> > rotating between sides was okay now. > > >>> > > >>> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. > > >>> Otherwise, all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to > > >>> separation events after they rotated tires across sides. > > >> > > >> We have Nokian WRG2s on our '95 E320 that have been on both sides of > the > > >> car (and on the 'E420 that Kaleb now has) and have no tread > separation. > > >> > > >> Craig > > > > > > I have always marked tires when switching summer to winter and back. > > > > > > BUT I have purchased used radial tires that have not been marked, and > > not noticed any difference. I bought a set of 4 used blizzaks for the > SDL, > > and another used set for the van. Wore them all out with good service, > so > > either I won the 50/50 coin toss eight times in a row, of it didn't > matter > > is you switched direction. The former is not likely, so I'm guessing the > > latter, at least with Blizzaks. > > > > > > In regard to Kaleb's comment about Michelins being worth the money, 40 > > years ago when they were all made in France, I thought so... but every > > michelin I had slipped its belts. (the wobble) So I no longer think they > > are worth the money. YMMV, mine did... > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > -- > Jaime Kopchinski > http://www.jaimekop.com/ > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I'm a big fan of Vredestein. Biggest thing for me is they make summer tires that have a shorter life in 195/70r14. I hate the idea of putting tires that last 80k miles on a car I'm going to put 5k a year on. By the time they start to dry rot, I want them to be worn out too. Jaime On Monday, January 26, 2015, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What tires do you like now days? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote: > > >> On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:42:20 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes > >> > wrote: > >> > >>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote: > >>> > >>> > I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and > >>> > rotating between sides was okay now. > >>> > >>> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. > >>> Otherwise, all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to > >>> separation events after they rotated tires across sides. > >> > >> We have Nokian WRG2s on our '95 E320 that have been on both sides of the > >> car (and on the 'E420 that Kaleb now has) and have no tread separation. > >> > >> Craig > > > > I have always marked tires when switching summer to winter and back. > > > > BUT I have purchased used radial tires that have not been marked, and > not noticed any difference. I bought a set of 4 used blizzaks for the SDL, > and another used set for the van. Wore them all out with good service, so > either I won the 50/50 coin toss eight times in a row, of it didn't matter > is you switched direction. The former is not likely, so I'm guessing the > latter, at least with Blizzaks. > > > > In regard to Kaleb's comment about Michelins being worth the money, 40 > years ago when they were all made in France, I thought so... but every > michelin I had slipped its belts. (the wobble) So I no longer think they > are worth the money. YMMV, mine did... > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 15:46:38 -0500 Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote: > Kinda related... I just called my local tire shop to get a set of hard > to find 19" snows for, um, a newer car. You're being cagey here. What was the car? > Run flats, big ones, Pirellis, $1800 installed. Yikes! Yikes, indeed! Is this a car you really want to drive in the winter? What size are the tires you were quoted? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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What tires do you like now days? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: >> On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:42:20 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> > I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and >>> > rotating between sides was okay now. >>> >>> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. >>> Otherwise, all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to >>> separation events after they rotated tires across sides. >> >> We have Nokian WRG2s on our '95 E320 that have been on both sides of the >> car (and on the 'E420 that Kaleb now has) and have no tread separation. >> >> Craig > > I have always marked tires when switching summer to winter and back. > > BUT I have purchased used radial tires that have not been marked, and not > noticed any difference. I bought a set of 4 used blizzaks for the SDL, and > another used set for the van. Wore them all out with good service, so either > I won the 50/50 coin toss eight times in a row, of it didn't matter is you > switched direction. The former is not likely, so I'm guessing the latter, at > least with Blizzaks. > > In regard to Kaleb's comment about Michelins being worth the money, 40 years > ago when they were all made in France, I thought so... but every michelin I > had slipped its belts. (the wobble) So I no longer think they are worth the > money. YMMV, mine did... > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Kinda related... I just called my local tire shop to get a set of hard to find 19" snows for, um, a newer car. Run flats, big ones, Pirellis, $1800 installed. Yikes! When I get quoted $100-150/tire for a nice set of 14" tires for my cars, I don't complain. Last set of 14" tires I bought for a '84 300SD was back in October... I ended up with a good deal on Generals for $95 and I'm very satisfied. That car did well on the way to work this morning on the local snow covered roads around here, left by the early part of the big storm on its way tonight. Jaime On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Ok, OK I am a BAD person. Enough already. > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > What my grandmother used to call penny wise & pound foolish. Once I got > > out of college I never sgain skimped on tires. In HS we used to get used > > ones from junk yard. Pre radial days. > > On Jan 26, 2015 3:33 PM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes" > > wrote: > > > > > The most irritating $100 I ever saved was when I didn’t buy the > > > Michelins. Just sayin’. > > > > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my > > 2000 > > > BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great > > tires. > > > They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 miles > on > > > the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more > > > moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used > > > michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is 10/32). > > So, > > > they are barely used. I wonder if used Michelins are better than new > > > cheaper tires. I don't want to replace them with 4 new Michelins, > > because > > > for this style and size, its about $800. > > > > > > > > This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in > recent > > > months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear brakes, > > and > > > replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of about > > $850. > > > > > > > > Donald H. Snook > > > > ___ > > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, > those > > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner > > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list > owner > > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:42:20 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and > rotating between sides was okay now. If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. Otherwise, all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to separation events after they rotated tires across sides. We have Nokian WRG2s on our '95 E320 that have been on both sides of the car (and on the 'E420 that Kaleb now has) and have no tread separation. Craig I have always marked tires when switching summer to winter and back. BUT I have purchased used radial tires that have not been marked, and not noticed any difference. I bought a set of 4 used blizzaks for the SDL, and another used set for the van. Wore them all out with good service, so either I won the 50/50 coin toss eight times in a row, of it didn't matter is you switched direction. The former is not likely, so I'm guessing the latter, at least with Blizzaks. In regard to Kaleb's comment about Michelins being worth the money, 40 years ago when they were all made in France, I thought so... but every michelin I had slipped its belts. (the wobble) So I no longer think they are worth the money. YMMV, mine did... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Haha, I am not opposed to trying them. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > wrote: > > Ok, OK I am a BAD person. Enough already. > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> What my grandmother used to call penny wise & pound foolish. Once I got >> out of college I never sgain skimped on tires. In HS we used to get used >> ones from junk yard. Pre radial days. >> On Jan 26, 2015 3:33 PM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes" >> wrote: >> >>> The most irritating $100 I ever saved was when I didn’t buy the >>> Michelins. Just sayin’. >>> >>> > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my >> 2000 >>> BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great >> tires. >>> They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 miles on >>> the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more >>> moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used >>> michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is 10/32). >> So, >>> they are barely used. I wonder if used Michelins are better than new >>> cheaper tires. I don't want to replace them with 4 new Michelins, >> because >>> for this style and size, its about $800. This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in recent >>> months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear brakes, >> and >>> replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of about >> $850. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >>> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >>> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Ok, OK I am a BAD person. Enough already. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Dwight Giles via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > What my grandmother used to call penny wise & pound foolish. Once I got > out of college I never sgain skimped on tires. In HS we used to get used > ones from junk yard. Pre radial days. > On Jan 26, 2015 3:33 PM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes" > wrote: > > > The most irritating $100 I ever saved was when I didn’t buy the > > Michelins. Just sayin’. > > > > > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my > 2000 > > BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great > tires. > > They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 miles on > > the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more > > moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used > > michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is 10/32). > So, > > they are barely used. I wonder if used Michelins are better than new > > cheaper tires. I don't want to replace them with 4 new Michelins, > because > > for this style and size, its about $800. > > > > > > This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in recent > > months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear brakes, > and > > replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of about > $850. > > > > > > Donald H. Snook > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
I have great faith in TiresEasy.com and the excellent reviews from prevous Goform purchasers. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Jon Agne via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The most irritating $100 I ever saved was when I didn’t buy the > Michelins. Just sayin’. > > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my 2000 > BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great tires. > They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 miles on > the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more > moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used > michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is 10/32). So, > they are barely used. I wonder if used Michelins are better than new > cheaper tires. I don't want to replace them with 4 new Michelins, because > for this style and size, its about $800. > > > > This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in recent > months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear brakes, and > replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of about $850. > > > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
What my grandmother used to call penny wise & pound foolish. Once I got out of college I never sgain skimped on tires. In HS we used to get used ones from junk yard. Pre radial days. On Jan 26, 2015 3:33 PM, "Jon Agne via Mercedes" wrote: > The most irritating $100 I ever saved was when I didn’t buy the > Michelins. Just sayin’. > > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my 2000 > BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great tires. > They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 miles on > the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more > moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used > michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is 10/32). So, > they are barely used. I wonder if used Michelins are better than new > cheaper tires. I don't want to replace them with 4 new Michelins, because > for this style and size, its about $800. > > > > This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in recent > months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear brakes, and > replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of about $850. > > > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
The most irritating $100 I ever saved was when I didn’t buy the Michelins. Just sayin’. > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Donald Snook via Mercedes > wrote: > > I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my 2000 BMW > 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great tires. They > were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 miles on the car. > I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more moderately priced > tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used michelins. The used > Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is 10/32). So, they are barely used. > I wonder if used Michelins are better than new cheaper tires. I don't want > to replace them with 4 new Michelins, because for this style and size, its > about $800. > > This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in recent months > I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear brakes, and replaced > the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of about $850. > > Donald H. Snook > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
On Mon, 26 Jan 2015 12:42:20 -0600 OK Don via Mercedes wrote: > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and > > rotating between sides was okay now. > > If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. > Otherwise, all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to > separation events after they rotated tires across sides. We have Nokian WRG2s on our '95 E320 that have been on both sides of the car (and on the 'E420 that Kaleb now has) and have no tread separation. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Well over 1,000 miles! I jest, of course. Obviously, if in a few years I am ready for a new set of tires after only 25,000 miles I will have learned my lesson. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:10 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > How many miles in those 3 months? > I can't remember the Chinese brand I've got on the Jetta but they've > proven adequate. The rears on my summer set are still good 23,000 miles > later, the fronts went bad as I didn't notice a bad tie rod end. The winter > tires are the same brand and are actually very good in the snow. That car > was terrible last winter but is quite sure footed in the snow now. I paid > $300 for the summer tires, mounted, balanced with roadside service. > Slightly more for the winter set, $380 I think... > -Curt > From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes > To: Kaleb C. Striplin ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:06 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires > > I LOVE my Goform $50 tires - delivered from TiresEasy.com. They are > already 3 months old and still as round and fresh as they were when they > arrived. No obvious cracks, peeling, or chipping. WHen I hit the brakes > the car stops, and vice versa. Great tires! > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > I am just about to the point of using only Michelin on these cars. I have > > tried kumho, uniroyal, several general tires and it seems to me they have > > all had problems,. One set of generals developed a bubble in the side > walk, > > others have had I guess it would be slipped belts in that they get out of > > round and cause a wobble at low speed. It just seems that while Michelin > is > > expensive they are simply the best. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > My tires were never rotated, as the S500 has staggered wheels, so you > > can't move wheels around. I also believe the Bridgestones were > directional. > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > >> On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > > wrote: > > >> > > >> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. > > Otherwise, > > >> all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to separation events > > >> after they rotated tires across sides. > > >> > > >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and > > rotating > > >>> between sides was okay now. > > >>> Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: > > >>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 > > >>> I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the > > tires > > >>> off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different center > > caps so > > >>> its easy) so I could rotate. > > >>> -Curt > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >> > > >> OK Don > > >> > > >> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US > citizens! > > >> > > >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The > few > > who > > >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric > fence > > >> for themselves." > > >> > > >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > > >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > > >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > >
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
How many miles in those 3 months? I can't remember the Chinese brand I've got on the Jetta but they've proven adequate. The rears on my summer set are still good 23,000 miles later, the fronts went bad as I didn't notice a bad tie rod end. The winter tires are the same brand and are actually very good in the snow. That car was terrible last winter but is quite sure footed in the snow now. I paid $300 for the summer tires, mounted, balanced with roadside service. Slightly more for the winter set, $380 I think... -Curt From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes To: Kaleb C. Striplin ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires I LOVE my Goform $50 tires - delivered from TiresEasy.com. They are already 3 months old and still as round and fresh as they were when they arrived. No obvious cracks, peeling, or chipping. WHen I hit the brakes the car stops, and vice versa. Great tires! On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I am just about to the point of using only Michelin on these cars. I have > tried kumho, uniroyal, several general tires and it seems to me they have > all had problems,. One set of generals developed a bubble in the side walk, > others have had I guess it would be slipped belts in that they get out of > round and cause a wobble at low speed. It just seems that while Michelin is > expensive they are simply the best. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > My tires were never rotated, as the S500 has staggered wheels, so you > can't move wheels around. I also believe the Bridgestones were directional. > > > > Dan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > >> > >> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. > Otherwise, > >> all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to separation events > >> after they rotated tires across sides. > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and > rotating > >>> between sides was okay now. > >>> Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: > >>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 > >>> I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the > tires > >>> off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different center > caps so > >>> its easy) so I could rotate. > >>> -Curt > >>> > >>> -- > >> > >> OK Don > >> > >> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > >> > >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few > who > >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > >> for themselves." > >> > >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Let us know after a couple of years how they are. Or at least 20k miles Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: > > I LOVE my Goform $50 tires - delivered from TiresEasy.com. They are already > 3 months old and still as round and fresh as they were when they arrived. No > obvious cracks, peeling, or chipping. WHen I hit the brakes the car stops, > and vice versa. Great tires! > >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> I am just about to the point of using only Michelin on these cars. I have >> tried kumho, uniroyal, several general tires and it seems to me they have >> all had problems,. One set of generals developed a bubble in the side walk, >> others have had I guess it would be slipped belts in that they get out of >> round and cause a wobble at low speed. It just seems that while Michelin is >> expensive they are simply the best. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes >> > wrote: >> > >> > My tires were never rotated, as the S500 has staggered wheels, so you >> > can't move wheels around. I also believe the Bridgestones were directional. >> > >> > Dan >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> >> On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. >> >> Otherwise, >> >> all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to separation events >> >> after they rotated tires across sides. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and rotating >> >>> between sides was okay now. >> >>> Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: >> >>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 >> >>> I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the tires >> >>> off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different center caps >> >>> so >> >>> its easy) so I could rotate. >> >>> -Curt >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >> >> >> OK Don >> >> >> >> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! >> >> >> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few >> >> who >> >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence >> >> for themselves." >> >> >> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >> >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >> >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >> >> has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> > >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner >> > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
I LOVE my Goform $50 tires - delivered from TiresEasy.com. They are already 3 months old and still as round and fresh as they were when they arrived. No obvious cracks, peeling, or chipping. WHen I hit the brakes the car stops, and vice versa. Great tires! On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I am just about to the point of using only Michelin on these cars. I have > tried kumho, uniroyal, several general tires and it seems to me they have > all had problems,. One set of generals developed a bubble in the side walk, > others have had I guess it would be slipped belts in that they get out of > round and cause a wobble at low speed. It just seems that while Michelin is > expensive they are simply the best. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > My tires were never rotated, as the S500 has staggered wheels, so you > can't move wheels around. I also believe the Bridgestones were directional. > > > > Dan > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > >> > >> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. > Otherwise, > >> all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to separation events > >> after they rotated tires across sides. > >> > >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> > >>> I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and > rotating > >>> between sides was okay now. > >>> Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: > >>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 > >>> I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the > tires > >>> off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different center > caps so > >>> its easy) so I could rotate. > >>> -Curt > >>> > >>> -- > >> > >> OK Don > >> > >> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > >> > >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few > who > >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > >> for themselves." > >> > >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg > >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner > has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
I am just about to the point of using only Michelin on these cars. I have tried kumho, uniroyal, several general tires and it seems to me they have all had problems,. One set of generals developed a bubble in the side walk, others have had I guess it would be slipped belts in that they get out of round and cause a wobble at low speed. It just seems that while Michelin is expensive they are simply the best. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2015, at 12:45 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > My tires were never rotated, as the S500 has staggered wheels, so you can't > move wheels around. I also believe the Bridgestones were directional. > > Dan > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. Otherwise, >> all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to separation events >> after they rotated tires across sides. >> >> On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >>> I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and rotating >>> between sides was okay now. >>> Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: >>> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 >>> I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the tires >>> off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different center caps so >>> its easy) so I could rotate. >>> -Curt >>> >>> -- >> >> OK Don >> >> NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! >> >> "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who >> learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence >> for themselves." >> >> WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* >> 2013 F150, 18 mpg >> 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg >> 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those >> individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has >> no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
My tires were never rotated, as the S500 has staggered wheels, so you can't move wheels around. I also believe the Bridgestones were directional. Dan Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:42 PM, OK Don via Mercedes > wrote: > > If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. Otherwise, > all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to separation events > after they rotated tires across sides. > > On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and rotating >> between sides was okay now. >> Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: >> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 >> I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the tires >> off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different center caps so >> its easy) so I could rotate. >> -Curt >> >> -- >> > > OK Don > > NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! > > "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who > learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence > for themselves." > > WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* > 2013 F150, 18 mpg > 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg > 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those > individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has > no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
If there has been a change in the last ten years, than maybe so. Otherwise, all my friends who didn't believe it, do now due to separation events after they rotated tires across sides. On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 12:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and rotating > between sides was okay now. > Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: > http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 > I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the tires > off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different center caps so > its easy) so I could rotate. > -Curt > > -- > OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
I thought that was an old wives tale that had been disproven and rotating between sides was okay now. Tire rack suggests you need to know if you have directional tires: http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=43 I don't remember if I noted which side what which when I pulled the tires off the Jetta. I did note front to back (they have different center caps so its easy) so I could rotate. -Curt From: OK Don via Mercedes To: Curly McLain <126die...@gmail.com>; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Tires Just remembered - if you rotate used radial tires opposite from the original rotation, the tread will separate. If the direction of rotation is not marked on the used tires, walk away. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Just remembered - if you rotate used radial tires opposite from the original rotation, the tread will separate. If the direction of rotation is not marked on the used tires, walk away. -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
Ditto - what he said. Age is important for tires. Tires make a big difference in how a car handles and drives. Don't skimp on tires. They are also a safety item, and your family rides in that car sometimes. Just because you are driving the last value out of that car does not mean that you don't have to maintain it and keep it "up to snuff". On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: Can you take the tire serial numbers to a dealer and see if they have > warranty? I'd take the DOT number date code too. If they were not sold by > a club and have warranty and are not too old, i'd probably buy the > michelins. New michelins are overpriced. > > -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT Tires
I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my 2000 BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great tires. They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 miles on the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is 10/32). So, they are barely used. I wonder if used Michelins are better than new cheaper tires. I don't want to replace them with 4 new Michelins, because for this style and size, its about $800. This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in recent months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear brakes, and replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of about $850. Donald H. Snook __ Can you take the tire serial numbers to a dealer and see if they have warranty? I'd take the DOT number date code too. If they were not sold by a club and have warranty and are not too old, i'd probably buy the michelins. New michelins are overpriced. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT Tires
I need to replace at least two tires and probably ALL 4 tires on my 2000 BMW 740iL. The tires on it are Michelins and they have been great tires. They were not new when I got the car, and I have put over 40,000 miles on the car. I am trying to figure out if it makes sense to buy 4 more moderately priced tires (i.e. not Michelins) or I can also buy 4 used michelins. The used Michelins have 9/32 tread on them (new is 10/32). So, they are barely used. I wonder if used Michelins are better than new cheaper tires. I don't want to replace them with 4 new Michelins, because for this style and size, its about $800. This car has 216,000 so I don't want to spend a ton it. AND in recent months I have put a new radiator in it, a new battery, new rear brakes, and replaced the passenger door lock/latch assembly for a total of about $850. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT - tires and F1
I just noticed that the tires on the fomula 1 cars have a LOT of sidewall -- the opposite of the trend in street cars. Mercedes in this picture - *http://tinyurl.com/yz75yyz* -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ot : Tires
You have a spare that is the same? Use that, buy a real cheap tire to replace it, then in 10-15k miles you will need a new set of tires anyway. Otherwise you can get another one to match, the tread diff shouldn't matter much. --R [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I just had a blow out on my rear tire of a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder. It has > the original tires with 45,000 miles. There is still a lot of tread left. > Should > I just replace the one tire? The original size is 245/65-17 How much bigger > or smaller can I go? I see a lot of similar size new tires on Ebay. Thanks > for the help guys > > > > ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ > For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ot : Tires
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I just had a blow out on my rear tire of a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder. It has > the original tires with 45,000 miles. There is still a lot of tread left. > Should > I just replace the one tire? The original size is 245/65-17 How much bigger > or smaller can I go? I see a lot of similar size new tires on Ebay. Thanks > for the help guys I am by no means a tire expert, but my faith in those tires would be destroyed after that. You can have plenty of tread life left, but the sidewalls could have problems, etc. Go to tirerack.com and read the reviews for new tires... Tirerack also has pretty good prices as well. I wouldn't buy a tire off eBay... what kind of warranty/service are you going to get (ie you get a bad tire and need to return it)? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Ot : Tires
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I just had a blow out on my rear tire of a 2004 Nissan > Pathfinder. It has the original tires with 45,000 miles. There is > still a lot of tread left. Should I just replace the one tire? The > original size is 245/65-17 How much bigger or smaller can I go? I > see a lot of similar size new tires on Ebay. Thanks for the help > guys I'd replace the other rear as well, with that many miles already on the tires. Do you have a full-size spare? If not you might consider buying another wheel and using the current good rear tire as a spare. If you change sizes, you'll need to change all the tires. I would not change sizes, it will throw off your speedometer/odometer and could affect handling adversely. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Ot : Tires
I just had a blow out on my rear tire of a 2004 Nissan Pathfinder. It has the original tires with 45,000 miles. There is still a lot of tread left. Should I just replace the one tire? The original size is 245/65-17 How much bigger or smaller can I go? I see a lot of similar size new tires on Ebay. Thanks for the help guys ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
