Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Sorry it didnt work out for you Scott.

I just updated mine yesterday. Followed the instructions in the thread and
it worked fine. I am on Spectrum cable. I run a cloud key but I do all this
from inside, so that should not matter. Just putty in and cut and paste the
commands. I am not super savvy about this stuff so cannot really comment on
your issues.

Regards,
Karl

On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 1:41 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Karl, et al., Wanted to give feedback how this turned out.
> At first, I tried to use OpenDNS which is super-simple; just point the
> router to the OpenDNS IPs.  After MUCH frustration, I discovered that
> Spectrum/Time Warner (commercial account) hijacks DNS requests (no matter
> how the router DNS is set) and points them to Time Warner servers.  It may
> be possible to opt out of this hijack situation but so far I haven't found
> a Spectrum tech that can/will opt me out.
> I had a spare Unifi Security Gateway (USG) on hand so I'm using that.  The
> USG OS (same as EdgeRouter) includes SquibGuard which does DNS filtering.
> In the USG, SquibGuard uses SSH command line instructions, at least until
> the Unifi Controller GUI can do this (maybe not in my lifetime).
> In retrospect, an EdgeRouter would have been a better choice because the
> USG requires a Unifi Controller software patch (.json file) or the
> filtering setup won't survive provisioning cycle.
> Thanks for the help but I was boxed-in by Spectrum and the existing Unifi
> hardware and that limited my options.
> Scott
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> > Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:23 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> >
> > Honestly if you read that thread I linked, it tells you all the steps.
> If I can
> > manage it, anyone can (I have zero experience with this stuff apart from
> trying
> > to run openfoam on starcluster from a linux desktop awhile back). I
> think I
> > used Putty and just executed the commands from that thread.
> >
> > Unifi mobile app and web interfaces are great/simple and give you good
> > analytics. You can block individual devices. I shut my kids ipads off
> all the time
> > from work and turn them back on for school on the morning, for instance.
> >
> > You can have it auto update the blacklists with a script so it persists
> when the
> > device updates itself.
> >
> > Personally I like blacklisting for a church site. People can look at
> youtube and
> > fb somewhere else.
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 11:36 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Kark, Thanks.  I have some studying to do.
> > >
> > > I will have a Unifi Security Gateway there eventually, probably after
> > > when the weather cools and the attic is more bearable (need to run
> > > cables).  I was hoping thr USGhelp (I mean it is a security gateway).
> > > Pi-Hole sounds very promising.  The USG looked simple until I got into
> it.
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 1:14 PM
> > > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > > Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> > > >
> > > > Here is a helpful link:
> > > >
> > > > https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-
> > d
> > > > -
> > > > instead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 9:39 AM Karl Wittnebel 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Get a pi hole. I run something similar at home on a unifi security
> > > > > gateway:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-
> > dnsmasq
> > > > > -d-
> > > > i
> > > > > nstead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-hole
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway you can block whatever you want. E.g. facebook, youtube. It
> > > > > is a scorched earth approach but it works well. You can configure
> > > > > i

Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Karl, et al., Wanted to give feedback how this turned out.  
At first, I tried to use OpenDNS which is super-simple; just point the router 
to the OpenDNS IPs.  After MUCH frustration, I discovered that Spectrum/Time 
Warner (commercial account) hijacks DNS requests (no matter how the router DNS 
is set) and points them to Time Warner servers.  It may be possible to opt out 
of this hijack situation but so far I haven't found a Spectrum tech that 
can/will opt me out. 
I had a spare Unifi Security Gateway (USG) on hand so I'm using that.  The USG 
OS (same as EdgeRouter) includes SquibGuard which does DNS filtering.  In the 
USG, SquibGuard uses SSH command line instructions, at least until the Unifi 
Controller GUI can do this (maybe not in my lifetime).  
In retrospect, an EdgeRouter would have been a better choice because the USG 
requires a Unifi Controller software patch (.json file) or the filtering setup 
won't survive provisioning cycle.  
Thanks for the help but I was boxed-in by Spectrum and the existing Unifi 
hardware and that limited my options.
Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Wittnebel via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> 
> Honestly if you read that thread I linked, it tells you all the steps. If I 
> can
> manage it, anyone can (I have zero experience with this stuff apart from 
> trying
> to run openfoam on starcluster from a linux desktop awhile back). I think I
> used Putty and just executed the commands from that thread.
> 
> Unifi mobile app and web interfaces are great/simple and give you good
> analytics. You can block individual devices. I shut my kids ipads off all the 
> time
> from work and turn them back on for school on the morning, for instance.
> 
> You can have it auto update the blacklists with a script so it persists when 
> the
> device updates itself.
> 
> Personally I like blacklisting for a church site. People can look at youtube 
> and
> fb somewhere else.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 11:36 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Kark, Thanks.  I have some studying to do.
> >
> > I will have a Unifi Security Gateway there eventually, probably after
> > when the weather cools and the attic is more bearable (need to run
> > cables).  I was hoping thr USGhelp (I mean it is a security gateway).
> > Pi-Hole sounds very promising.  The USG looked simple until I got into it.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 1:14 PM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> > >
> > > Here is a helpful link:
> > >
> > > https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-
> d
> > > -
> > > instead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 9:39 AM Karl Wittnebel 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Get a pi hole. I run something similar at home on a unifi security
> > > > gateway:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-
> dnsmasq
> > > > -d-
> > > i
> > > > nstead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> > > >
> > > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-hole
> > > >
> > > > Anyway you can block whatever you want. E.g. facebook, youtube. It
> > > > is a scorched earth approach but it works well. You can configure
> > > > it to auto update using various lists of ad servers and then
> > > > customize
> > website lists.
> > > >
> > > > If in a church, you should post a sign that internet access is
> > > > restricted in case any docs are communicating with patients etc by
> > > > internet so they can plan to be out of reach. Not such a bad
> > > > thing, really. Just need to notify. Something like "restricted
> > > > internet
> > access only".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 4:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Only thing I can suggest is:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1.) Set up a password that’s simple a

Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Karl, Thanks again.  I have a USG at home so I can use it to check this out 
when I get some time.  Sounds perfect.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Wittnebel via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 1:23 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> 
> Honestly if you read that thread I linked, it tells you all the steps. If I 
> can
> manage it, anyone can (I have zero experience with this stuff apart from 
> trying
> to run openfoam on starcluster from a linux desktop awhile back). I think I
> used Putty and just executed the commands from that thread.
> 
> Unifi mobile app and web interfaces are great/simple and give you good
> analytics. You can block individual devices. I shut my kids ipads off all the 
> time
> from work and turn them back on for school on the morning, for instance.
> 
> You can have it auto update the blacklists with a script so it persists when 
> the
> device updates itself.
> 
> Personally I like blacklisting for a church site. People can look at youtube 
> and
> fb somewhere else.
> 
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 11:36 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Kark, Thanks.  I have some studying to do.
> >
> > I will have a Unifi Security Gateway there eventually, probably after
> > when the weather cools and the attic is more bearable (need to run
> > cables).  I was hoping thr USGhelp (I mean it is a security gateway).
> > Pi-Hole sounds very promising.  The USG looked simple until I got into it.
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > > Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 1:14 PM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > > Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> > >
> > > Here is a helpful link:
> > >
> > > https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-
> d
> > > -
> > > instead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 9:39 AM Karl Wittnebel 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Get a pi hole. I run something similar at home on a unifi security
> > > > gateway:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-
> dnsmasq
> > > > -d-
> > > i
> > > > nstead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> > > >
> > > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-hole
> > > >
> > > > Anyway you can block whatever you want. E.g. facebook, youtube. It
> > > > is a scorched earth approach but it works well. You can configure
> > > > it to auto update using various lists of ad servers and then
> > > > customize
> > website lists.
> > > >
> > > > If in a church, you should post a sign that internet access is
> > > > restricted in case any docs are communicating with patients etc by
> > > > internet so they can plan to be out of reach. Not such a bad
> > > > thing, really. Just need to notify. Something like "restricted
> > > > internet
> > access only".
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 4:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Only thing I can suggest is:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1.) Set up a password that’s simple and tell the congregation
> > > >> what it is; or,
> > > >>
> > > >> 2.) Get a consumer grade router in line with the existing access
> > > >> point and use it’s parental controls feature to filter.
> > > >>
> > > >> I’ve got an Asus router I use for my internal network and it’s
> > > >> got parental controls and filtering available as an option.
> > > >>
> > > >> -D
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Aug 23, 2020, at 2:38 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The school's hot spot is on their own LAN, not my problem.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > There are many functions other than church services, typically
> > > >> > in the
>

Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Honestly if you read that thread I linked, it tells you all the steps. If I
can manage it, anyone can (I have zero experience with this stuff apart
from trying to run openfoam on starcluster from a linux desktop awhile
back). I think I used Putty and just executed the commands from that
thread.

Unifi mobile app and web interfaces are great/simple and give you good
analytics. You can block individual devices. I shut my kids ipads off all
the time from work and turn them back on for school on the morning, for
instance.

You can have it auto update the blacklists with a script so it persists
when the device updates itself.

Personally I like blacklisting for a church site. People can look at
youtube and fb somewhere else.

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 11:36 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Kark, Thanks.  I have some studying to do.
>
> I will have a Unifi Security Gateway there eventually, probably after when
> the weather cools and the attic is more bearable (need to run cables).  I
> was hoping thr USGhelp (I mean it is a security gateway).  Pi-Hole sounds
> very promising.  The USG looked simple until I got into it.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> > Wittnebel via Mercedes
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 1:14 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> >
> > Here is a helpful link:
> >
> > https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-d-
> > instead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 9:39 AM Karl Wittnebel 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Get a pi hole. I run something similar at home on a unifi security
> > > gateway:
> > >
> > >
> > > https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-d-
> > i
> > > nstead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> > >
> > > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-hole
> > >
> > > Anyway you can block whatever you want. E.g. facebook, youtube. It is
> > > a scorched earth approach but it works well. You can configure it to
> > > auto update using various lists of ad servers and then customize
> website lists.
> > >
> > > If in a church, you should post a sign that internet access is
> > > restricted in case any docs are communicating with patients etc by
> > > internet so they can plan to be out of reach. Not such a bad thing,
> > > really. Just need to notify. Something like "restricted internet
> access only".
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 4:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Only thing I can suggest is:
> > >>
> > >> 1.) Set up a password that’s simple and tell the congregation what it
> > >> is; or,
> > >>
> > >> 2.) Get a consumer grade router in line with the existing access
> > >> point and use it’s parental controls feature to filter.
> > >>
> > >> I’ve got an Asus router I use for my internal network and it’s got
> > >> parental controls and filtering available as an option.
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> > >> > On Aug 23, 2020, at 2:38 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > The school's hot spot is on their own LAN, not my problem.
> > >> >
> > >> > There are many functions other than church services, typically in
> > >> > the
> > >> fellowship hall (church meetings, parties, weddings/funerals,
> > >> men/women/senior groups, etc.) where folks want their cell phones to
> > work.
> > >> If they don't connect to the Wi-Fi those cell phone batteries go down
> > >> fast as the phones try to ping a tower transmitting at max power.
> > >> >
> > >> > I could add a password but then would need tell everyone.
> > >> >
> > >> > I already configured OpenDNS but still looking for something
> > >> > better.  I
> > >> plan to install a Unifi Security Gateway so I'm looking for a way to
> > >> use that.  There are many consumer routers that could be adapted and
> > >> security appliances (without routing), like Circle.  Still looking.
> > >> >
> > >> >> -Original Message-
> > >> &g

Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Kark, Thanks.  I have some studying to do.

I will have a Unifi Security Gateway there eventually, probably after when the 
weather cools and the attic is more bearable (need to run cables).  I was 
hoping thr USGhelp (I mean it is a security gateway).  Pi-Hole sounds very 
promising.  The USG looked simple until I got into it.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Karl
> Wittnebel via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 1:14 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: Karl Wittnebel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> 
> Here is a helpful link:
> 
> https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-d-
> instead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> 
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 9:39 AM Karl Wittnebel 
> wrote:
> 
> > Get a pi hole. I run something similar at home on a unifi security
> > gateway:
> >
> >
> > https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-d-
> i
> > nstead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
> >
> > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-hole
> >
> > Anyway you can block whatever you want. E.g. facebook, youtube. It is
> > a scorched earth approach but it works well. You can configure it to
> > auto update using various lists of ad servers and then customize website 
> > lists.
> >
> > If in a church, you should post a sign that internet access is
> > restricted in case any docs are communicating with patients etc by
> > internet so they can plan to be out of reach. Not such a bad thing,
> > really. Just need to notify. Something like "restricted internet access 
> > only".
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 4:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Only thing I can suggest is:
> >>
> >> 1.) Set up a password that’s simple and tell the congregation what it
> >> is; or,
> >>
> >> 2.) Get a consumer grade router in line with the existing access
> >> point and use it’s parental controls feature to filter.
> >>
> >> I’ve got an Asus router I use for my internal network and it’s got
> >> parental controls and filtering available as an option.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >> > On Aug 23, 2020, at 2:38 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The school's hot spot is on their own LAN, not my problem.
> >> >
> >> > There are many functions other than church services, typically in
> >> > the
> >> fellowship hall (church meetings, parties, weddings/funerals,
> >> men/women/senior groups, etc.) where folks want their cell phones to
> work.
> >> If they don't connect to the Wi-Fi those cell phone batteries go down
> >> fast as the phones try to ping a tower transmitting at max power.
> >> >
> >> > I could add a password but then would need tell everyone.
> >> >
> >> > I already configured OpenDNS but still looking for something
> >> > better.  I
> >> plan to install a Unifi Security Gateway so I'm looking for a way to
> >> use that.  There are many consumer routers that could be adapted and
> >> security appliances (without routing), like Circle.  Still looking.
> >> >
> >> >> -Original Message-
> >> >> From:  Allan Streib via Mercedes
> >> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> >> >>
> >> >> Ask the school what they do.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ideally the school hot spot will be on the school network via a VPN.
> >> >>
> >> >> As far as accessing the passwordless guest network, you have that
> >> problem
> >> >> regardless. I'd suggest putting a password on it, or maybe setting
> >> >> up
> >> a captive
> >> >> portal like at a hotel. Depends how much you really want to manage it.
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyway, who is using their cell phone during church?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Our church LAN has a “guest” SSID that does not require a password.
> >> This
> >> >> guest SSID is very helpful for cell phones because the aluminum
> >> >> siding
> >> blocks
> >> >> regular cell signals.  So far, this was not a problem because we
&

Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Here is a helpful link:

https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-d-instead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463

On Tue, Aug 25, 2020, 9:39 AM Karl Wittnebel  wrote:

> Get a pi hole. I run something similar at home on a unifi security
> gateway:
>
>
> https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-d-instead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463
>
> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-hole
>
> Anyway you can block whatever you want. E.g. facebook, youtube. It is a
> scorched earth approach but it works well. You can configure it to auto
> update using various lists of ad servers and then customize website lists.
>
> If in a church, you should post a sign that internet access is restricted
> in case any docs are communicating with patients etc by internet so they
> can plan to be out of reach. Not such a bad thing, really. Just need to
> notify. Something like "restricted internet access only".
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 4:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Only thing I can suggest is:
>>
>> 1.) Set up a password that’s simple and tell the congregation what it is;
>> or,
>>
>> 2.) Get a consumer grade router in line with the existing access point
>> and use it’s parental controls feature to filter.
>>
>> I’ve got an Asus router I use for my internal network and it’s got
>> parental controls and filtering available as an option.
>>
>> -D
>>
>> > On Aug 23, 2020, at 2:38 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > The school's hot spot is on their own LAN, not my problem.
>> >
>> > There are many functions other than church services, typically in the
>> fellowship hall (church meetings, parties, weddings/funerals,
>> men/women/senior groups, etc.) where folks want their cell phones to work.
>> If they don't connect to the Wi-Fi those cell phone batteries go down fast
>> as the phones try to ping a tower transmitting at max power.
>> >
>> > I could add a password but then would need tell everyone.
>> >
>> > I already configured OpenDNS but still looking for something better.  I
>> plan to install a Unifi Security Gateway so I'm looking for a way to use
>> that.  There are many consumer routers that could be adapted and security
>> appliances (without routing), like Circle.  Still looking.
>> >
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From:  Allan Streib via Mercedes
>> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
>> >>
>> >> Ask the school what they do.
>> >>
>> >> Ideally the school hot spot will be on the school network via a VPN.
>> >>
>> >> As far as accessing the passwordless guest network, you have that
>> problem
>> >> regardless. I'd suggest putting a password on it, or maybe setting up
>> a captive
>> >> portal like at a hotel. Depends how much you really want to manage it.
>> >>
>> >> Anyway, who is using their cell phone during church?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:
>> >>
>> >>> Our church LAN has a “guest” SSID that does not require a password.
>> This
>> >> guest SSID is very helpful for cell phones because the aluminum siding
>> blocks
>> >> regular cell signals.  So far, this was not a problem because we had
>> few
>> >> “outsiders.”  Our ISP provider (Time-Warner/Spectrum) provides an ARRIS
>> >> DG1670a modem/router, which does not appear to have any useful
>> “parental
>> >> controls.”
>> >>>
>> >>> Soon we will be a “hot spot” where school children can come to our
>> parking
>> >> lot to download school materials (if they don’t have high-speed
>> internet at
>> >> home).  The school system provides the hot spot equipment but visitors
>> will
>> >> also see our church Wi-Fi on their devices.
>> >>>
>> >>> I want to avoid the situation where school kids (or others) access
>> >> inappropriate sites, particularly on the church LAN.  OpenDNS offers
>> some
>> >> filtering but only for “new” DNS requests and it doesn’t block
>> anonymizers
>> >> (like Tor).
>> >>>
>> >>> I know there is much computer expertise on this site so I thought I’d
>> ask for
>> >> recommendations.
>> >>>
>> >&g

Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Get a pi hole. I run something similar at home on a unifi security gateway:

https://community.ui.com/questions/HowTo-Ad-blocking-using-dnsmasq-d-instead-of-etc-hosts/1598a96d-28af-4f3f-ab96-97bccdb897b3#M66463

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-hole

Anyway you can block whatever you want. E.g. facebook, youtube. It is a
scorched earth approach but it works well. You can configure it to auto
update using various lists of ad servers and then customize website lists.

If in a church, you should post a sign that internet access is restricted
in case any docs are communicating with patients etc by internet so they
can plan to be out of reach. Not such a bad thing, really. Just need to
notify. Something like "restricted internet access only".



On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 4:59 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Only thing I can suggest is:
>
> 1.) Set up a password that’s simple and tell the congregation what it is;
> or,
>
> 2.) Get a consumer grade router in line with the existing access point and
> use it’s parental controls feature to filter.
>
> I’ve got an Asus router I use for my internal network and it’s got
> parental controls and filtering available as an option.
>
> -D
>
> > On Aug 23, 2020, at 2:38 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The school's hot spot is on their own LAN, not my problem.
> >
> > There are many functions other than church services, typically in the
> fellowship hall (church meetings, parties, weddings/funerals,
> men/women/senior groups, etc.) where folks want their cell phones to work.
> If they don't connect to the Wi-Fi those cell phone batteries go down fast
> as the phones try to ping a tower transmitting at max power.
> >
> > I could add a password but then would need tell everyone.
> >
> > I already configured OpenDNS but still looking for something better.  I
> plan to install a Unifi Security Gateway so I'm looking for a way to use
> that.  There are many consumer routers that could be adapted and security
> appliances (without routing), like Circle.  Still looking.
> >
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From:  Allan Streib via Mercedes
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> >>
> >> Ask the school what they do.
> >>
> >> Ideally the school hot spot will be on the school network via a VPN.
> >>
> >> As far as accessing the passwordless guest network, you have that
> problem
> >> regardless. I'd suggest putting a password on it, or maybe setting up a
> captive
> >> portal like at a hotel. Depends how much you really want to manage it.
> >>
> >> Anyway, who is using their cell phone during church?
> >>
> >>
> >> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:
> >>
> >>> Our church LAN has a “guest” SSID that does not require a password.
> This
> >> guest SSID is very helpful for cell phones because the aluminum siding
> blocks
> >> regular cell signals.  So far, this was not a problem because we had few
> >> “outsiders.”  Our ISP provider (Time-Warner/Spectrum) provides an ARRIS
> >> DG1670a modem/router, which does not appear to have any useful “parental
> >> controls.”
> >>>
> >>> Soon we will be a “hot spot” where school children can come to our
> parking
> >> lot to download school materials (if they don’t have high-speed
> internet at
> >> home).  The school system provides the hot spot equipment but visitors
> will
> >> also see our church Wi-Fi on their devices.
> >>>
> >>> I want to avoid the situation where school kids (or others) access
> >> inappropriate sites, particularly on the church LAN.  OpenDNS offers
> some
> >> filtering but only for “new” DNS requests and it doesn’t block
> anonymizers
> >> (like Tor).
> >>>
> >>> I know there is much computer expertise on this site so I thought I’d
> ask for
> >> recommendations.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers, Scott
> >>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Step 1: make sure the hotspots are clearly named as being for school use
or church use.

Step 2 (optional): stick a password like JesusSaves on the church hotspot.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Only thing I can suggest is:

1.) Set up a password that’s simple and tell the congregation what it is; or,

2.) Get a consumer grade router in line with the existing access point and use 
it’s parental controls feature to filter.

I’ve got an Asus router I use for my internal network and it’s got parental 
controls and filtering available as an option.

-D

> On Aug 23, 2020, at 2:38 AM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The school's hot spot is on their own LAN, not my problem.
> 
> There are many functions other than church services, typically in the 
> fellowship hall (church meetings, parties, weddings/funerals, 
> men/women/senior groups, etc.) where folks want their cell phones to work.  
> If they don't connect to the Wi-Fi those cell phone batteries go down fast as 
> the phones try to ping a tower transmitting at max power.  
> 
> I could add a password but then would need tell everyone.
> 
> I already configured OpenDNS but still looking for something better.  I plan 
> to install a Unifi Security Gateway so I'm looking for a way to use that.  
> There are many consumer routers that could be adapted and security appliances 
> (without routing), like Circle.  Still looking.
> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From:  Allan Streib via Mercedes
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
>> 
>> Ask the school what they do.
>> 
>> Ideally the school hot spot will be on the school network via a VPN.
>> 
>> As far as accessing the passwordless guest network, you have that problem
>> regardless. I'd suggest putting a password on it, or maybe setting up a 
>> captive
>> portal like at a hotel. Depends how much you really want to manage it.
>> 
>> Anyway, who is using their cell phone during church?
>> 
>> 
>> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Our church LAN has a “guest” SSID that does not require a password.  This
>> guest SSID is very helpful for cell phones because the aluminum siding blocks
>> regular cell signals.  So far, this was not a problem because we had few
>> “outsiders.”  Our ISP provider (Time-Warner/Spectrum) provides an ARRIS
>> DG1670a modem/router, which does not appear to have any useful “parental
>> controls.”
>>> 
>>> Soon we will be a “hot spot” where school children can come to our parking
>> lot to download school materials (if they don’t have high-speed internet at
>> home).  The school system provides the hot spot equipment but visitors will
>> also see our church Wi-Fi on their devices.
>>> 
>>> I want to avoid the situation where school kids (or others) access
>> inappropriate sites, particularly on the church LAN.  OpenDNS offers some
>> filtering but only for “new” DNS requests and it doesn’t block anonymizers
>> (like Tor).
>>> 
>>> I know there is much computer expertise on this site so I thought I’d ask 
>>> for
>> recommendations.
>>> 
>>> Cheers, Scott
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The school's hot spot is on their own LAN, not my problem.

There are many functions other than church services, typically in the 
fellowship hall (church meetings, parties, weddings/funerals, men/women/senior 
groups, etc.) where folks want their cell phones to work.  If they don't 
connect to the Wi-Fi those cell phone batteries go down fast as the phones try 
to ping a tower transmitting at max power.  

I could add a password but then would need tell everyone.

I already configured OpenDNS but still looking for something better.  I plan to 
install a Unifi Security Gateway so I'm looking for a way to use that.  There 
are many consumer routers that could be adapted and security appliances 
(without routing), like Circle.  Still looking.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Allan Streib via Mercedes
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering
> 
> Ask the school what they do.
> 
> Ideally the school hot spot will be on the school network via a VPN.
> 
> As far as accessing the passwordless guest network, you have that problem
> regardless. I'd suggest putting a password on it, or maybe setting up a 
> captive
> portal like at a hotel. Depends how much you really want to manage it.
> 
> Anyway, who is using their cell phone during church?
> 
> 
> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:
> 
> > Our church LAN has a “guest” SSID that does not require a password.  This
> guest SSID is very helpful for cell phones because the aluminum siding blocks
> regular cell signals.  So far, this was not a problem because we had few
> “outsiders.”  Our ISP provider (Time-Warner/Spectrum) provides an ARRIS
> DG1670a modem/router, which does not appear to have any useful “parental
> controls.”
> >
> > Soon we will be a “hot spot” where school children can come to our parking
> lot to download school materials (if they don’t have high-speed internet at
> home).  The school system provides the hot spot equipment but visitors will
> also see our church Wi-Fi on their devices.
> >
> > I want to avoid the situation where school kids (or others) access
> inappropriate sites, particularly on the church LAN.  OpenDNS offers some
> filtering but only for “new” DNS requests and it doesn’t block anonymizers
> (like Tor).
> >
> > I know there is much computer expertise on this site so I thought I’d ask 
> > for
> recommendations.
> >
> > Cheers, Scott
> >
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Ask the school what they do.

Ideally the school hot spot will be on the school network via a VPN.

As far as accessing the passwordless guest network, you have that
problem regardless. I'd suggest putting a password on it, or maybe
setting up a captive portal like at a hotel. Depends how much you really
want to manage it.

Anyway, who is using their cell phone during church?


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes  writes:

> Our church LAN has a “guest” SSID that does not require a password.  This 
> guest SSID is very helpful for cell phones because the aluminum siding blocks 
> regular cell signals.  So far, this was not a problem because we had few 
> “outsiders.”  Our ISP provider (Time-Warner/Spectrum) provides an ARRIS 
> DG1670a modem/router, which does not appear to have any useful “parental 
> controls.”
>
> Soon we will be a “hot spot” where school children can come to our parking 
> lot to download school materials (if they don’t have high-speed internet at 
> home).  The school system provides the hot spot equipment but visitors will 
> also see our church Wi-Fi on their devices.  
>
> I want to avoid the situation where school kids (or others) access 
> inappropriate sites, particularly on the church LAN.  OpenDNS offers some 
> filtering but only for “new” DNS requests and it doesn’t block anonymizers 
> (like Tor).  
>
> I know there is much computer expertise on this site so I thought I’d ask for 
> recommendations.
>
> Cheers, Scott
>

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[MBZ] OT: Internet filtering

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Our church LAN has a “guest” SSID that does not require a password.  This guest 
SSID is very helpful for cell phones because the aluminum siding blocks regular 
cell signals.  So far, this was not a problem because we had few “outsiders.”  
Our ISP provider (Time-Warner/Spectrum) provides an ARRIS DG1670a modem/router, 
which does not appear to have any useful “parental controls.”

Soon we will be a “hot spot” where school children can come to our parking lot 
to download school materials (if they don’t have high-speed internet at home).  
The school system provides the hot spot equipment but visitors will also see 
our church Wi-Fi on their devices.  

I want to avoid the situation where school kids (or others) access 
inappropriate sites, particularly on the church LAN.  OpenDNS offers some 
filtering but only for “new” DNS requests and it doesn’t block anonymizers 
(like Tor).  

I know there is much computer expertise on this site so I thought I’d ask for 
recommendations.

Cheers, Scott

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

The un-licensed radios (probably at your house) are Wi-Fi.

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The Motorola system got bought out and it's now Cambrium or something like
> that. Pretty much the same system but updated newer equipment
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The Motorola system got bought out and it's now Cambrium or something like 
that. Pretty much the same system but updated newer equipment 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 27, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Kaleb wrote:
>> No they are what they call Cambrium radios, used to be Motorola Canopy.
> 
> Motorola Canopy is a decent system.  We could still use that system here.
> mao
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Kaleb wrote:
> No they are what they call Cambrium radios, used to be Motorola Canopy.

Motorola Canopy is a decent system.  We could still use that system here.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

No they are what they call Cambrium radios, used to be Motorola 
Canopy.



On 7/27/2016 4:20 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

Cool, what technology do they use for the signal from the tower to your house?  
Sounds like 4G LTE.



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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Cool, what technology do they use for the signal from the tower to your house?  
Sounds like 4G LTE.
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[MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

A while back I was discussing how I currently have a WISP that 
only offers up to 2.5mbps connection and I wanted something 
faster.  I looked into Exede again and the problem there is the 
data caps, w hich appeared to be solved at least on the surface as 
they have 12mb connection that gets slowed to 1-5mb when you use 
up your plan data.  After reading some forums they seem to be 
having problems.  The speeds are getting slowed to .5 or less 
sometimes due to all the traffic, and even when you still have 
data in your plan you get slow speeds. I then looked around for 
other alternatives.  I knew of another WISP in the area but was 
not sure they could reach me and was not sure if they were any 
good or not.  My old one that I have used for years was not all 
that great with outages more frequently that I would like.  So I 
go to this other companies website and it says they have service 
in my area, and their bottom speed package is 4mb and their top is 
12 for $98 which is less than what Exede offers.  So, they do a 
site survey and say I have a clear line of sight to the tower, but 
we are on the far edge of the towers reach so they are not 100% 
sure what I would end up with.  They come today to do the 
install.  Took about 15-20 minutes if that and it turns out I have 
great signal here.  I am paying for 12mb their top package but 
have been testing mostly in the mid 20's with the latest test 
pulling down 27mbps and upload speed of 5.1.  Pretty darn good.  I 
am not sure if I will get throttled back to the 12 I am paying for 
eventually but at least I now have some real internet speeds. This 
other company has new equipment and the company I was with is 
still using old equipment, I guess that is the difference.



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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I have the Czech Fios, pronounced Fiosh.

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 1:06 PM, clay via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:

> FIOS is fiber to the home.  No copper until it goes from the box in the
> home to Coax or RJ11/RJ45 for TV/phone/networking.   Since there is no
> power in the line, the box has a back up battery to allow the phone to
> function and send signal down the line to telco.  SWMBA negotiated the
> leases on the Pacific coast for Verizon.
>
> Fiber providers have to toss a box in a secured area of the home then hook
> to a router inside to provide services.   Box on the pole is where the
> splice is made and a line is pulled to the home.
>
>
>
>
> clay
>
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > We had Verizon DSL until last week when I cut off my home phone which
> accidentally screwed the pooch for that. When I tried to turn it back on I
> was informed that Verizon is pulling DSL out of my town.Fortunately Comcast
> will service my house, I bought a cable modem from Amazon which arrived
> yesterday but my Comcast "install packet" doesn't arrive until tomorrow.
> The cable modem phones home but is thus far denied from playing nice with
> Comcast. Presumably I'll have to phone in and give them the MAC address...
> > Fortunately I had to be in the office this week anyway. When I'm home
> I'm getting a lot of reading done.
> > -Curt
> >
> >  From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > Cc: Joel Cairo <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT internet
> >
> > I'm not sure how FIOS (Verizon's fiber-based service) is provisioned to
> > the house, if you actually have a fiber drop at your interface or what,
> > but "fiber running down the street" might be the trunk line that goes
> > into the switch in your area, from there it goes out copper to your
> > house, and depending on how far you are from the switch it might not be
> > possible to get DSL (or Uverse VOIP/intertubes).  I have a switch just a
> > coupla hundred yards from the (copper) terminal on the road at the end
> > of the driveway, then maybe 1000ft of copper to the house from that.
> > There is a fiber line running along the road too but it does not go to
> > houses.
> >
> > I got Uverse a coupla years ago for phone and intertubes, had one modem
> > fail which they fixed and then tried to charge me for.  I got the
> > "introductory" rate which they tried to jack up by 50% last year, I
> > threatened to quit so they reinstituted the rate again.  It's all a
> > racket no matter which you get.
> >
> > When the zombie apocalypse or the Sword of Allah falls I think your
> > friends might be Mr. Browning, Ruger, Smitth, Wesson, etc. rather than
> > AT  And CB raddiddios (stored in a metal can) good buddy.
> >
> > --JC
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/12/16 11:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> >> "If they have fiber running down the street why do we not have DSL or
> >> uverse or something?"
> >>
> >> Contact local telco to inquire about DSL.
> >>
> >> Uverse (from BellSouth / ATT) seems to be a marketing scheme to tie you
> >> into a special modem / router that provides DSL service bundled with
> >> voice-over-IP, which now becomes a single point failure.  Special modem
> >> dies or locks up, no more house phone or internet.  If you are
> comfortable
> >> that your cell phones will work, including after the EMP attack or the
> >> earth quake or tornado or the zombie apocalypse, then go for it.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Huh?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>> Yes.
> >>>>
> >>>> ---

Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[clay via Mercedes]

FIOS is fiber to the home.  No copper until it goes from the box in the home to 
Coax or RJ11/RJ45 for TV/phone/networking.   Since there is no power in the 
line, the box has a back up battery to allow the phone to function and send 
signal down the line to telco.  SWMBA negotiated the leases on the Pacific 
coast for Verizon.

Fiber providers have to toss a box in a secured area of the home then hook to a 
router inside to provide services.   Box on the pole is where the splice is 
made and a line is pulled to the home.




clay 

2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored chap
1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers








> On Jul 12, 2016, at 8:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> We had Verizon DSL until last week when I cut off my home phone which 
> accidentally screwed the pooch for that. When I tried to turn it back on I 
> was informed that Verizon is pulling DSL out of my town.Fortunately Comcast 
> will service my house, I bought a cable modem from Amazon which arrived 
> yesterday but my Comcast "install packet" doesn't arrive until tomorrow. The 
> cable modem phones home but is thus far denied from playing nice with 
> Comcast. Presumably I'll have to phone in and give them the MAC address...
> Fortunately I had to be in the office this week anyway. When I'm home I'm 
> getting a lot of reading done.
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
> Cc: Joel Cairo <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT internet
> 
> I'm not sure how FIOS (Verizon's fiber-based service) is provisioned to 
> the house, if you actually have a fiber drop at your interface or what, 
> but "fiber running down the street" might be the trunk line that goes 
> into the switch in your area, from there it goes out copper to your 
> house, and depending on how far you are from the switch it might not be 
> possible to get DSL (or Uverse VOIP/intertubes).  I have a switch just a 
> coupla hundred yards from the (copper) terminal on the road at the end 
> of the driveway, then maybe 1000ft of copper to the house from that. 
> There is a fiber line running along the road too but it does not go to 
> houses.
> 
> I got Uverse a coupla years ago for phone and intertubes, had one modem 
> fail which they fixed and then tried to charge me for.  I got the 
> "introductory" rate which they tried to jack up by 50% last year, I 
> threatened to quit so they reinstituted the rate again.  It's all a 
> racket no matter which you get.
> 
> When the zombie apocalypse or the Sword of Allah falls I think your 
> friends might be Mr. Browning, Ruger, Smitth, Wesson, etc. rather than 
> AT  And CB raddiddios (stored in a metal can) good buddy.
> 
> --JC
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/12/16 11:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>> "If they have fiber running down the street why do we not have DSL or
>> uverse or something?"
>> 
>> Contact local telco to inquire about DSL.
>> 
>> Uverse (from BellSouth / ATT) seems to be a marketing scheme to tie you
>> into a special modem / router that provides DSL service bundled with
>> voice-over-IP, which now becomes a single point failure.  Special modem
>> dies or locks up, no more house phone or internet.  If you are comfortable
>> that your cell phones will work, including after the EMP attack or the
>> earth quake or tornado or the zombie apocalypse, then go for it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Huh?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>> Yes.
>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Supposedly FIOS is actual fiber to the house...
I agree though, what you're seeing is probably phone trunks.

-Curt


  From: Dan Penoff via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Dan Penoff <d...@penoff.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:43 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT internet
   
The fiber is infrastructure fiber and probably not set up for consumer stuff.

Understand that back in the early 1980s, Sprint had the national contract with 
the DoD for fiber.  They set up and installed the CONUS infrastructure and 
actual fiber and maintained it to DoD standards.  Part of the payoff of being 
the first ones to do this and undertake the massive expense was getting the 
ability to lease out some of the bandwidth and resell or use it themselves.

The Ma Bells came in after Sprint and did a lot of the “last mile” connections, 
which is probably what you’re seeing.

Dan


> On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
> <mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> I have called them and they have no form of high speed at my house they say. 
> Which is why I am wondering about the fiber signs up and down the road.
> 
> My home phone is currently ooma which is voip. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 11:05:18 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> "If they have fiber running down the street why do we not have DSL or
> uverse or something?"
> 
> Contact local telco to inquire about DSL.

Where we are east of Moriarty, NM, there is no DSL. We have a
point-to-multipoint wireless link provided by an ISP in Moriarty which
supplies 5 - 6 megabits/s for $54/mo.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

There are huge amounts of dark fiber all over the country too (and the 
world as well).


--JC


On 7/12/16 12:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

The fiber is infrastructure fiber and probably not set up for consumer stuff.

Understand that back in the early 1980s, Sprint had the national contract with 
the DoD for fiber.  They set up and installed the CONUS infrastructure and 
actual fiber and maintained it to DoD standards.  Part of the payoff of being 
the first ones to do this and undertake the massive expense was getting the 
ability to lease out some of the bandwidth and resell or use it themselves.

The Ma Bells came in after Sprint and did a lot of the “last mile” connections, 
which is probably what you’re seeing.

Dan



On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

I have called them and they have no form of high speed at my house they say. 
Which is why I am wondering about the fiber signs up and down the road.

My home phone is currently ooma which is voip.

Sent from my iPhone



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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

The fiber is infrastructure fiber and probably not set up for consumer stuff.

Understand that back in the early 1980s, Sprint had the national contract with 
the DoD for fiber.  They set up and installed the CONUS infrastructure and 
actual fiber and maintained it to DoD standards.  Part of the payoff of being 
the first ones to do this and undertake the massive expense was getting the 
ability to lease out some of the bandwidth and resell or use it themselves.

The Ma Bells came in after Sprint and did a lot of the “last mile” connections, 
which is probably what you’re seeing.

Dan


> On Jul 12, 2016, at 11:47 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have called them and they have no form of high speed at my house they say. 
> Which is why I am wondering about the fiber signs up and down the road.
> 
> My home phone is currently ooma which is voip. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have called them and they have no form of high speed at my house they say. 
Which is why I am wondering about the fiber signs up and down the road.

My home phone is currently ooma which is voip. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 10:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> "If they have fiber running down the street why do we not have DSL or
> uverse or something?"
> 
> Contact local telco to inquire about DSL.
> 
> Uverse (from BellSouth / ATT) seems to be a marketing scheme to tie you
> into a special modem / router that provides DSL service bundled with
> voice-over-IP, which now becomes a single point failure.  Special modem
> dies or locks up, no more house phone or internet.  If you are comfortable
> that your cell phones will work, including after the EMP attack or the
> earth quake or tornado or the zombie apocalypse, then go for it.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Huh?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes.
>>> 
>>> -
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>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We had Verizon DSL until last week when I cut off my home phone which 
accidentally screwed the pooch for that. When I tried to turn it back on I was 
informed that Verizon is pulling DSL out of my town.Fortunately Comcast will 
service my house, I bought a cable modem from Amazon which arrived yesterday 
but my Comcast "install packet" doesn't arrive until tomorrow. The cable modem 
phones home but is thus far denied from playing nice with Comcast. Presumably 
I'll have to phone in and give them the MAC address...
Fortunately I had to be in the office this week anyway. When I'm home I'm 
getting a lot of reading done.
-Curt

  From: Joel Cairo via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com 
Cc: Joel Cairo <buggeredbenzm...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:19 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT internet
   
I'm not sure how FIOS (Verizon's fiber-based service) is provisioned to 
the house, if you actually have a fiber drop at your interface or what, 
but "fiber running down the street" might be the trunk line that goes 
into the switch in your area, from there it goes out copper to your 
house, and depending on how far you are from the switch it might not be 
possible to get DSL (or Uverse VOIP/intertubes).  I have a switch just a 
coupla hundred yards from the (copper) terminal on the road at the end 
of the driveway, then maybe 1000ft of copper to the house from that. 
There is a fiber line running along the road too but it does not go to 
houses.

I got Uverse a coupla years ago for phone and intertubes, had one modem 
fail which they fixed and then tried to charge me for.  I got the 
"introductory" rate which they tried to jack up by 50% last year, I 
threatened to quit so they reinstituted the rate again.  It's all a 
racket no matter which you get.

When the zombie apocalypse or the Sword of Allah falls I think your 
friends might be Mr. Browning, Ruger, Smitth, Wesson, etc. rather than 
AT  And CB raddiddios (stored in a metal can) good buddy.

--JC



On 7/12/16 11:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
> "If they have fiber running down the street why do we not have DSL or
> uverse or something?"
>
> Contact local telco to inquire about DSL.
>
> Uverse (from BellSouth / ATT) seems to be a marketing scheme to tie you
> into a special modem / router that provides DSL service bundled with
> voice-over-IP, which now becomes a single point failure.  Special modem
> dies or locks up, no more house phone or internet.  If you are comfortable
> that your cell phones will work, including after the EMP attack or the
> earth quake or tornado or the zombie apocalypse, then go for it.
>
>
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Huh?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>> -
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>>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Joel Cairo via Mercedes]

I'm not sure how FIOS (Verizon's fiber-based service) is provisioned to 
the house, if you actually have a fiber drop at your interface or what, 
but "fiber running down the street" might be the trunk line that goes 
into the switch in your area, from there it goes out copper to your 
house, and depending on how far you are from the switch it might not be 
possible to get DSL (or Uverse VOIP/intertubes).  I have a switch just a 
coupla hundred yards from the (copper) terminal on the road at the end 
of the driveway, then maybe 1000ft of copper to the house from that. 
There is a fiber line running along the road too but it does not go to 
houses.


I got Uverse a coupla years ago for phone and intertubes, had one modem 
fail which they fixed and then tried to charge me for.  I got the 
"introductory" rate which they tried to jack up by 50% last year, I 
threatened to quit so they reinstituted the rate again.  It's all a 
racket no matter which you get.


When the zombie apocalypse or the Sword of Allah falls I think your 
friends might be Mr. Browning, Ruger, Smitth, Wesson, etc. rather than 
AT  And CB raddiddios (stored in a metal can) good buddy.


--JC



On 7/12/16 11:05 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

"If they have fiber running down the street why do we not have DSL or
uverse or something?"

Contact local telco to inquire about DSL.

Uverse (from BellSouth / ATT) seems to be a marketing scheme to tie you
into a special modem / router that provides DSL service bundled with
voice-over-IP, which now becomes a single point failure.  Special modem
dies or locks up, no more house phone or internet.  If you are comfortable
that your cell phones will work, including after the EMP attack or the
earth quake or tornado or the zombie apocalypse, then go for it.



-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Huh?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <

mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Yes.

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

We just dropped our home phone. My opinion is generally that in the case of a 
"real" disaster theres not going to be anybody to call anyway. We'll be ready 
to depend on ourselves.
-Curt

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Cc: Meade Dillon <dillonm...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT internet
   
"If they have fiber running down the street why do we not have DSL or
uverse or something?"

Contact local telco to inquire about DSL.

Uverse (from BellSouth / ATT) seems to be a marketing scheme to tie you
into a special modem / router that provides DSL service bundled with
voice-over-IP, which now becomes a single point failure.  Special modem
dies or locks up, no more house phone or internet.  If you are comfortable
that your cell phones will work, including after the EMP attack or the
earth quake or tornado or the zombie apocalypse, then go for it.



-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Huh?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

"If they have fiber running down the street why do we not have DSL or
uverse or something?"

Contact local telco to inquire about DSL.

Uverse (from BellSouth / ATT) seems to be a marketing scheme to tie you
into a special modem / router that provides DSL service bundled with
voice-over-IP, which now becomes a single point failure.  Special modem
dies or locks up, no more house phone or internet.  If you are comfortable
that your cell phones will work, including after the EMP attack or the
earth quake or tornado or the zombie apocalypse, then go for it.



-
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Charleston SC

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Huh?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yes.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Huh?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 12, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes.
> 
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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Yes.

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[MBZ] OT internet

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I have this wireless WASP internet that runs 2.5mb most of the time 
but it seems like the towers are always going down.  I had Exede sat 
internet at the old house for a while that ran 12mb and sometimes pushed 
up to 18 or so often but had a data cap, which I had the highest package 
at I believe it was 15 or 20gb a month. After you hit that it would slow 
you down to dial up speed.  Then uVerse was available so we moved to 
that.  When we moved here we went back with the WASP. I was just doing 
some checking today just because I was curious if anything had changed 
and now Excede has different packages, the highest being 30gb a month of 
what they call priority data which is your full speed.  For $10 a month 
you can up the speed to 25mbps from 12.  The thing is now when you go 
over your data cap you go on what they call the liberty plan which slows 
it down to 1-5mbps for the rest of the month until the next billing 
cycle.  From what little I read most people are able to do most of their 
things they normally do and hardly notice the slow down, and can still 
do netflix etc with the new plan.  I am able to stream netflix in 720 
pretty easily and sometimes 1080 with the 2.5 connection I have now.  
Also from what I read people are usually getting about the mid range of 
that 1-5mb slowed speed.  They say its faster during the day (the slowed 
liberty speed) but slower down closer to the 2mb range at peak night 
time.  I am starting to seriously thing about going back to Excede since 
their slowed speed is about as fast as what I have now.  Its a little 
more expensive though.


Also, out were we do not have any sort of high speed broadband yet up 
and down my street on the side of the road are those little signs that 
say fiber optic route and I have one of those skinny phone junction 
boxes in my front yard.  If they have fiber running down the street why 
do we not have DSL or uverse or something?


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[MBZ] OT internet speeds

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

In a brief moment of email and tv, at the the Okiebenz Rancho Costa Plenty I 
have the wireless internet that runs 2.5 Mbps. Got DVD player hooked up and 
trying Netflix. It took a while to ramp up to it but it is running at 720p with 
5.1 surround on this connection. For a long time it ran 480sd but then fit 720 
hd and has only dropped down a couple of times from that. One was was when I 
was also running a speed test on my phone to see what bandwidth I had left, it 
got about .5 Mbps on that test. Now back to moving junk.

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speeds

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

We thought you were dead, and were about to send scavenging parties to see
if any good parts or cars were left.


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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Is it wireless?

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 On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:41 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Our old ISP provided 3 down, and was usually OK for Hulu. we just switched to 
 the other ISP in our area and now have 4 - I don't see much difference.
 
 On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
 mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:
 So 10 years ago at Okie acres 1, I had a wireless internet provider that ran 
 1mbps. After the trees grew up I could not get the signal anymore and they 
 came out with excede, which was super fast but expensive and has a data cap. 
 It ran 12 or faster. Then finally we got uverse available and it's cheap and 
 runs 18mbps. Now moving out to Okie acres 2 we have sat or the original 
 wireless provider we used to have has service here. I just had it installed 
 and their fastest they have on this tower is 2.5. Wow it's quite a bit 
 slower than what I am used to which does not matter too much for normal use 
 but I am afraid to see how Netflix runs on it.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Tim Crone via Mercedes]

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 1:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So 10 years ago at Okie acres 1, I had a wireless internet provider that
 ran 1mbps. After the trees grew up I could not get the signal anymore and
 they came out with excede, which was super fast but expensive and has a
 data cap. It ran 12 or faster. Then finally we got uverse available and
 it's cheap and runs 18mbps. Now moving out to Okie acres 2 we have sat or
 the original wireless provider we used to have has service here. I just had
 it installed and their fastest they have on this tower is 2.5. Wow it's
 quite a bit slower than what I am used to which does not matter too much
 for normal use but I am afraid to see how Netflix runs on it.


Netflix does a fantastic job of optimizing bandwidth, at least on the Roku
and in their Android app; before they paid the bribe to ATT we were
getting only 512 kbps to 768 kbps to Netflix, and it was usable.  Currently
I have 3Mbps down (post-bribe), and we occasionally have two TVs on with no
problems.

That said, my vision is rather poor, so my tolerance for quality may be
higher than yours. :)

Best,
Tim.
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Tim Crone via Mercedes wrote:


Netflix does a fantastic job of optimizing bandwidth, at least on the Roku
and in their Android app; before they paid the bribe to ATT we were
getting only 512 kbps to 768 kbps to Netflix, and it was usable.  Currently
I have 3Mbps down (post-bribe), and we occasionally have two TVs on with no
problems.



I had Uverse at 3mps, now at 6mps.
Web browsing on Uverse is slower than on a Sprint cellular modem at around 1mps 
or less.
Speedtest.net always reports about 90% of the speed I'm paying for. I think ATT 
prioritizes speedtest.net.


Uverse video file downloads are deliberately throttled. ATT doesn't want to feed 
them to you any faster than real time because if you were streaming it and quit, 
anything you didn't watch was wasted bandwidth.
For the most part their timing is good and Netflix/Hulu stream just fine in the 
living room TV while my niece is chromecasting a TV show in her bedroom and I'm 
browsing or downloading something on my computer. Aside from speedtest.net, I've 
noticed zero improvement since they doubled the speed I'm paying for.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

Aside from speedtest.net, I've noticed zero improvement since they 
doubled the speed I'm paying for.


Throughput is often not as important as latency, which is almost
never talked about.  Same as CPU clock speeds.

We once had a 10-CPU Sun, which served a whole department.  That
thing ran very nicely, but its then-modest clock speed was a limiting
factor on simulations.  The thing was, until you had put 11 jobs
on it you didn't notice any slowdown, and even then it seemed
to slow down pretty linearly.  They decided to 'fix' the situation
by deploying a bunch of 'fast' 2-core PC's, also running Solaris,
as a simulation farm.  While they were faster when running 1 job,
they essentially face-planted if you tried to run _anything_ else
on them at the same time.  No, they were not short on memory.
It is my belief that the PC context-switching and MMU behavior was
very much worse than what the high-end SPARC was capable of.

Yes, more MHz.  But in pretty much every other way they sucked.

With modern web design there are dozens to hundreds of independent
file-let transfers per page, most of them not all that large.  The
throughput almost doesn't matter, by the time one transfer gets going
it's over, and it's starting up another one.  Video transfers are
inherently throttled, for JIT delivery.  POP and IMAP email transfers
are one-at-a-time, and most emails aren't individually all that
large.  About the only time the channel gets to even try to meet
its bandwidth numbers is when doing a big FTP, an un-throttled
torrent, or a speed test.

And what percent of the time do you do these things?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Yes - long range WiFi. Airosurf, but they don't operate in your neck of the
woods.

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 Is it wireless?

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:41 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Our old ISP provided 3 down, and was usually OK for Hulu. we just
 switched to the other ISP in our area and now have 4 - I don't see much
 difference.



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[MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So 10 years ago at Okie acres 1, I had a wireless internet provider that ran 
1mbps. After the trees grew up I could not get the signal anymore and they came 
out with excede, which was super fast but expensive and has a data cap. It ran 
12 or faster. Then finally we got uverse available and it's cheap and runs 
18mbps. Now moving out to Okie acres 2 we have sat or the original wireless 
provider we used to have has service here. I just had it installed and their 
fastest they have on this tower is 2.5. Wow it's quite a bit slower than what I 
am used to which does not matter too much for normal use but I am afraid to see 
how Netflix runs on it.

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Netflix for movies?  I thought you only watched those other kinds of 
movies


In the evenings when everyone is home and trying to watch the Flix you 
probably won't even be able to use it for that.


--R


On 10/20/14 1:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

So 10 years ago at Okie acres 1, I had a wireless internet provider that ran 
1mbps. After the trees grew up I could not get the signal anymore and they came 
out with excede, which was super fast but expensive and has a data cap. It ran 
12 or faster. Then finally we got uverse available and it's cheap and runs 
18mbps. Now moving out to Okie acres 2 we have sat or the original wireless 
provider we used to have has service here. I just had it installed and their 
fastest they have on this tower is 2.5. Wow it's quite a bit slower than what I 
am used to which does not matter too much for normal use but I am afraid to see 
how Netflix runs on it.

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet in the sticks

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Our old ISP provided 3 down, and was usually OK for Hulu. we just switched
to the other ISP in our area and now have 4 - I don't see much difference.

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote:

 So 10 years ago at Okie acres 1, I had a wireless internet provider that
 ran 1mbps. After the trees grew up I could not get the signal anymore and
 they came out with excede, which was super fast but expensive and has a
 data cap. It ran 12 or faster. Then finally we got uverse available and
 it's cheap and runs 18mbps. Now moving out to Okie acres 2 we have sat or
 the original wireless provider we used to have has service here. I just had
 it installed and their fastest they have on this tower is 2.5. Wow it's
 quite a bit slower than what I am used to which does not matter too much
 for normal use but I am afraid to see how Netflix runs on it.



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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[OK Don]

My WiFi ISP dropped the connection on my VPN tunnel at least 15 times today
while I was trying to telecommute. I'm seriously in need of a new ISP, and
Kaleb's satellite sounds like the DEAL. HughesNet left junk mail in the box
today, but they want $110/mo. for a fraction of the speed and bytes.

Anyone know how many bytes in a Hulu TV show episode (45 minutes?)?

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 9:59 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote:

 Better cache on your device.  Hulu goes poop on me all the time.  I have
 much better luck with pirate video sites that do cache the file and give
 higher quality video.  then they clunk and you have to go brew a cup of tea
 before you bother to fire them up again to see your show.

 clay

 On May 30, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

  Curt wrote:
  You're not downloading though, you're streaming. I'm sure it buffers
 some amount but how much I don't know.
 
 
  What is it about hulu that makes it superior as online viewer?
  When I go to the network site and watch shows their viewer is choppy
  (canopy wireless broadband) but hulu runs quite well.  When it chunks,
  I hit pause and come back in 5 minutes.
  mao
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[OK Don]

OK - you've had this service for a month now. Are you still happy with them?

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy wireless
 setup that for the last month or so when it was working I got dialup speed,
 to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by Wildblue sat system.  I have
 been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what a difference.  If anybody is out in
 the sticks and needs high speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they
 launched is MUCH better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it
 goes but I have only had it live for less than an hour.

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Craig]

On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:27:36 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 My WiFi ISP dropped the connection on my VPN tunnel at least 15 times
 today while I was trying to telecommute. I'm seriously in need of a new
 ISP, and Kaleb's satellite sounds like the DEAL. HughesNet left junk
 mail in the box today, but they want $110/mo. for a fraction of the
 speed and bytes.

Search on-line for reviews of HughesNet. They aren't very good.



Craig

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[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yes very happy. Speed has remained pretty consistent and we have had a little 
rain and I did not loose service. I am sure it would go down in a heavy ran 
though. Also I have the 15gb plan and I ran right up to that by the end of the 
month. 

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On Jun 29, 2012, at 5:43 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK - you've had this service for a month now. Are you still happy with them?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
 
 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy wireless
 setup that for the last month or so when it was working I got dialup speed,
 to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by Wildblue sat system.  I have
 been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what a difference.  If anybody is out in
 the sticks and needs high speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they
 launched is MUCH better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it
 goes but I have only had it live for less than an hour.
 
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[Allan Streib]

I looked into it, and I think satellite internet is basically a last
resort for people who's only other choice is dial-up or some other
severely limited service.  The latency is a killer for anything
interactive, and the bandwith limits are pretty low in this day of
streaming media.  Also the two year committment, mandatory equipment
rental, etc. all make it a pretty expensive option compared to standard
cable internet or DSL.


Allan

Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes:

 Yes very happy. Speed has remained pretty consistent and we have had a little 
 rain and I did not loose service. I am sure it would go down in a heavy ran 
 though. Also I have the 15gb plan and I ran right up to that by the end of 
 the month. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 29, 2012, at 5:43 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 OK - you've had this service for a month now. Are you still happy with them?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
 
 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy wireless
 setup that for the last month or so when it was working I got dialup speed,
 to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by Wildblue sat system.  I have
 been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what a difference.  If anybody is out in
 the sticks and needs high speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they
 launched is MUCH better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it
 goes but I have only had it live for less than an hour.
 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin]

The old system yes but this new system certainly not. As far as latency goes, 
would not work for gaming but I don't do that, I do not really notice much of a 
delay at all

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On Jun 29, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 I looked into it, and I think satellite internet is basically a last
 resort for people who's only other choice is dial-up or some other
 severely limited service.  The latency is a killer for anything
 interactive, and the bandwith limits are pretty low in this day of
 streaming media.  Also the two year committment, mandatory equipment
 rental, etc. all make it a pretty expensive option compared to standard
 cable internet or DSL.
 
 
 Allan
 
 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes:
 
 Yes very happy. Speed has remained pretty consistent and we have had a 
 little rain and I did not loose service. I am sure it would go down in a 
 heavy ran though. Also I have the 15gb plan and I ran right up to that by 
 the end of the month. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jun 29, 2012, at 5:43 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 OK - you've had this service for a month now. Are you still happy with them?
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin 
 ka...@striplin.netwrote:
 
 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy wireless
 setup that for the last month or so when it was working I got dialup speed,
 to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by Wildblue sat system.  I have
 been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what a difference.  If anybody is out in
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 launched is MUCH better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it
 goes but I have only had it live for less than an hour.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Forget hughesnet. The exede has a 49 setup special going on right now instead 
of the normal 149 I paid.

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On Jun 29, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:27:36 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My WiFi ISP dropped the connection on my VPN tunnel at least 15 times
 today while I was trying to telecommute. I'm seriously in need of a new
 ISP, and Kaleb's satellite sounds like the DEAL. HughesNet left junk
 mail in the box today, but they want $110/mo. for a fraction of the
 speed and bytes.
 
 Search on-line for reviews of HughesNet. They aren't very good.
 
 
 
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[Kaleb C. Striplin]

It's junk. 1.5 mb connection max usually runs way under that. Exede I have 
rated at 12 almost always runs at least 15-18.

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On Jun 29, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 17:27:36 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 My WiFi ISP dropped the connection on my VPN tunnel at least 15 times
 today while I was trying to telecommute. I'm seriously in need of a new
 ISP, and Kaleb's satellite sounds like the DEAL. HughesNet left junk
 mail in the box today, but they want $110/mo. for a fraction of the
 speed and bytes.
 
 Search on-line for reviews of HughesNet. They aren't very good.
 
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[OK Don]

That's exactly why I'm looking at it - the long distance WiFi is not
working well, and the only other option out here is satellite.

On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 I looked into it, and I think satellite internet is basically a last
 resort for people who's only other choice is dial-up or some other
 severely limited service.  The latency is a killer for anything
 interactive, and the bandwith limits are pretty low in this day of
 streaming media.  Also the two year committment, mandatory equipment
 rental, etc. all make it a pretty expensive option compared to standard
 cable internet or DSL.


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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I had the wifi deal, and even when it worked for me it was not nearly as good 
as what I have now. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 29, 2012, at 9:21 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's exactly why I'm looking at it - the long distance WiFi is not
 working well, and the only other option out here is satellite.
 
 On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:
 
 I looked into it, and I think satellite internet is basically a last
 resort for people who's only other choice is dial-up or some other
 severely limited service.  The latency is a killer for anything
 interactive, and the bandwith limits are pretty low in this day of
 streaming media.  Also the two year committment, mandatory equipment
 rental, etc. all make it a pretty expensive option compared to standard
 cable internet or DSL.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Allan Streib]

Do you use Netflix?  How does that work on sat service?  I wonder how
quickly that would eat up the 7.5 GB monthly transfer limit.

If I could dump Comcast entirely for their basic plan it would save me
about $50 a month.

Allan

Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes:

 Supposedly the new sat has the capacity for much much greater speed that but 
 they set it at that to make sure everyone got good speed. The old wildblue 
 sat was only up to 1.5 but this us a completely new system.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 28, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Mon, 28 May 2012 19:07:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
 ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy 
 wireless setup that for the last month or so when it was working I 
 got dialup speed, to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by 
 Wildblue sat system.  I have been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what 
 a difference.  If anybody is out in the sticks and needs high 
 speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they launched is MUCH 
 better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it goes 
 but I have only had it live for less than an hour.
 
 I investigated satellite Internet recently, planning ahead for our
 upcoming move in case we end up out in the boonies. The story then
 was that all the vendors were horrible.
 
 I hope your speeds remain high after others are added to the service.
 Please keep us posted on the performance.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I only have DVD netflix but do have a free trial for blockbuster that had 
streaming. Not sure how big the average movie is when downloading

Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2012, at 2:51 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote:

 Do you use Netflix?  How does that work on sat service?  I wonder how
 quickly that would eat up the 7.5 GB monthly transfer limit.
 
 If I could dump Comcast entirely for their basic plan it would save me
 about $50 a month.
 
 Allan
 
 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net writes:
 
 Supposedly the new sat has the capacity for much much greater speed that but 
 they set it at that to make sure everyone got good speed. The old wildblue 
 sat was only up to 1.5 but this us a completely new system.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 28, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:
 
 On Mon, 28 May 2012 19:07:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
 ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy 
 wireless setup that for the last month or so when it was working I 
 got dialup speed, to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by 
 Wildblue sat system.  I have been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what 
 a difference.  If anybody is out in the sticks and needs high 
 speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they launched is MUCH 
 better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it goes 
 but I have only had it live for less than an hour.
 
 I investigated satellite Internet recently, planning ahead for our
 upcoming move in case we end up out in the boonies. The story then
 was that all the vendors were horrible.
 
 I hope your speeds remain high after others are added to the service.
 Please keep us posted on the performance.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Curt Raymond]

You're not downloading though, you're streaming. I'm sure it buffers some 
amount but how much I don't know.

I also don't have Netflix but I do have Amazon Prime which is totally worth $80 
a year for 2 day free shipping but when you add the streaming video its 
awesome. They only have through season 5 of Mythbusters though ;)

-Curt

Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:59:28 -0500
From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed
Message-ID:
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I only have DVD netflix but do have a free trial for blockbuster that had 
streaming. Not sure how big the average movie is when downloading

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
 You're not downloading though, you're streaming. I'm sure it buffers some 
 amount but how much I don't know.


What is it about hulu that makes it superior as online viewer?
When I go to the network site and watch shows their viewer is choppy
(canopy wireless broadband) but hulu runs quite well.  When it chunks,
I hit pause and come back in 5 minutes.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Kaleb Striplin]

well when you are streaming your are still downloading, right?

On 5/30/2012 7:15 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

You're not downloading though, you're streaming. I'm sure it buffers some 
amount but how much I don't know.

I also don't have Netflix but I do have Amazon Prime which is totally worth $80 
a year for 2 day free shipping but when you add the streaming video its 
awesome. They only have through season 5 of Mythbusters though ;)

-Curt

Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:59:28 -0500
From: Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net
To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

I only have DVD netflix but do have a free trial for blockbuster that had 
streaming. Not sure how big the average movie is when downloading

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Brian Toscano]

Yes.  The service provider will count it towards bytes downloaded.


On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 well when you are streaming your are still downloading, right?


 On 5/30/2012 7:15 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

 You're not downloading though, you're streaming. I'm sure it buffers some
 amount but how much I don't know.

 I also don't have Netflix but I do have Amazon Prime which is totally
 worth $80 a year for 2 day free shipping but when you add the streaming
 video its awesome. They only have through season 5 of Mythbusters though ;)

 -Curt

 Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:59:28 -0500
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 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed
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 I only have DVD netflix but do have a free trial for blockbuster that had
 streaming. Not sure how big the average movie is when downloading

 Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Allan Streib]

Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes:

 You're not downloading though, you're streaming. I'm sure it buffers
 some amount but how much I don't know.

It's still data transfer, the ISP doesn't care if you are saving it or
not.  It would count against the limit.

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Craig]

On Wed, 30 May 2012 19:28:07 -0500 Kaleb Striplin ka...@striplin.net
wrote:

 well when you are streaming your are still downloading, right?

Yes. For proper playback, the total number of bits needs to be downloaded
to your computer. Buffering allows the downloading to get ahead of the
playback in case the rate of downloading should later drop. If it doesn't
recover in time, you get choppy playback.


Craig



 On 5/30/2012 7:15 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
  You're not downloading though, you're streaming. I'm sure it buffers
  some amount but how much I don't know.
 
  I also don't have Netflix but I do have Amazon Prime which is totally
  worth $80 a year for 2 day free shipping but when you add the
  streaming video its awesome. They only have through season 5 of
  Mythbusters though ;)
 
  -Curt
 
  Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 17:59:28 -0500
  From: Kaleb C. Striplinka...@striplin.net
  To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed
  Message-ID:
   assp.1497edf3fc.0425cf9e-b119-4d97-9f06-a6546fe5a...@striplin.net
  Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii
 
  I only have DVD netflix but do have a free trial for blockbuster that
  had streaming. Not sure how big the average movie is when downloading
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[clay monroe]

Better cache on your device.  Hulu goes poop on me all the time.  I have much 
better luck with pirate video sites that do cache the file and give higher 
quality video.  then they clunk and you have to go brew a cup of tea before you 
bother to fire them up again to see your show.

clay

On May 30, 2012, at 5:19 PM, Mountain Man wrote:

 Curt wrote:
 You're not downloading though, you're streaming. I'm sure it buffers some 
 amount but how much I don't know.
 
 
 What is it about hulu that makes it superior as online viewer?
 When I go to the network site and watch shows their viewer is choppy
 (canopy wireless broadband) but hulu runs quite well.  When it chunks,
 I hit pause and come back in 5 minutes.
 mao
 
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[MBZ] OT internet speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy 
wireless setup that for the last month or so when it was working I 
got dialup speed, to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by 
Wildblue sat system.  I have been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what 
a difference.  If anybody is out in the sticks and needs high 
speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they launched is MUCH 
better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it goes 
but I have only had it live for less than an hour.


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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Craig]

On Mon, 28 May 2012 19:07:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
ka...@striplin.net wrote:

 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy 
 wireless setup that for the last month or so when it was working I 
 got dialup speed, to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by 
 Wildblue sat system.  I have been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what 
 a difference.  If anybody is out in the sticks and needs high 
 speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they launched is MUCH 
 better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it goes 
 but I have only had it live for less than an hour.

I investigated satellite Internet recently, planning ahead for our
upcoming move in case we end up out in the boonies. The story then
was that all the vendors were horrible.

I hope your speeds remain high after others are added to the service.
Please keep us posted on the performance.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Gerry Archer]

I looked up Excede on the web.  Which plan do you have?  How
long is the contract?  I could use something like that out here in 
these woods.

Thanks,
Gerry

From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy 
wireless setup that for the last month or so when it was working I 
got dialup speed, to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by 
Wildblue sat system.  I have been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what 
a difference.  If anybody is out in the sticks and needs high 
speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they launched is MUCH 
better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it goes 
but I have only had it live for less than an hour.


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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Supposedly the new sat has the capacity for much much greater speed that but 
they set it at that to make sure everyone got good speed. The old wildblue sat 
was only up to 1.5 but this us a completely new system.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote:

 On Mon, 28 May 2012 19:07:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin
 ka...@striplin.net wrote:
 
 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy 
 wireless setup that for the last month or so when it was working I 
 got dialup speed, to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by 
 Wildblue sat system.  I have been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what 
 a difference.  If anybody is out in the sticks and needs high 
 speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they launched is MUCH 
 better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it goes 
 but I have only had it live for less than an hour.
 
 I investigated satellite Internet recently, planning ahead for our
 upcoming move in case we end up out in the boonies. The story then
 was that all the vendors were horrible.
 
 I hope your speeds remain high after others are added to the service.
 Please keep us posted on the performance.
 
 
 Craig
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I got the middle plan of the 3, if you use more or less data you can change 
plans. It's a 2 year contract.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 I looked up Excede on the web.  Which plan do you have?  How
 long is the contract?  I could use something like that out here in these 
 woods.
 Thanks,
 Gerry
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy wireless 
 setup that for the last month or so when it was working I got dialup speed, 
 to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by Wildblue sat system.  I have 
 been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what a difference.  If anybody is out in 
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 launched is MUCH better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it 
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[OK Don]

Go to www.speedtest.com and runn the test five times, logging the resuts,
and report the findings back to us - inquiring minds want to know!

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 I got the middle plan of the 3, if you use more or less data you can
 change plans. It's a 2 year contract.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 28, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:

  I looked up Excede on the web.  Which plan do you have?  How
  long is the contract?  I could use something like that out here in these
 woods.
  Thanks,
  Gerry
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
  I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy wireless
 setup that for the last month or so when it was working I got dialup speed,
 to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by Wildblue sat system.  I have
 been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what a difference.  If anybody is out in
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 launched is MUCH better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[OK Don]

Correction - that shold have been speedtest.net, not .com

On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 10:28 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Go to www.speedtest.com and runn the test five times, logging the resuts,
 and report the findings back to us - inquiring minds want to know!


 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:

 I got the middle plan of the 3, if you use more or less data you can
 change plans. It's a 2 year contract.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 28, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:

  I looked up Excede on the web.  Which plan do you have?  How
  long is the contract?  I could use something like that out here in
 these woods.
  Thanks,
  Gerry
  From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
  I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy
 wireless setup that for the last month or so when it was working I got
 dialup speed, to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by Wildblue sat
 system.  I have been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what a difference.  If
 anybody is out in the sticks and needs high speed, this is the way to go.
  The new sat they launched is MUCH better than the old days of sat
 internet.  Will see how it goes but I have only had it live for less than
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Re: [MBZ] OT internet speed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I use testmy.net

Sent from my iPhone

On May 28, 2012, at 10:28 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

 Go to www.speedtest.com and runn the test five times, logging the resuts,
 and report the findings back to us - inquiring minds want to know!
 
 On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:54 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote:
 
 I got the middle plan of the 3, if you use more or less data you can
 change plans. It's a 2 year contract.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On May 28, 2012, at 7:49 PM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I looked up Excede on the web.  Which plan do you have?  How
 long is the contract?  I could use something like that out here in these
 woods.
 Thanks,
 Gerry
 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net
 I just went from a 1.5mbps connection from my Motorolla canopy wireless
 setup that for the last month or so when it was working I got dialup speed,
 to a 12mbps connection with the new Exede by Wildblue sat system.  I have
 been getting hits up to 15.  WOW what a difference.  If anybody is out in
 the sticks and needs high speed, this is the way to go.  The new sat they
 launched is MUCH better than the old days of sat internet.  Will see how it
 goes but I have only had it live for less than an hour.
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[MBZ] OT: internet-controlled shotgun array discovered in Georgia

[Allan Streib]

Apparently the landowner had put together a prototype system of web
cameras and shotguns to try to suppress feral hogs in his food plot.

I'm wondering if the headline is misleading... are remote controlled
guns themselves illegal, or is it illegal to hunt with remote controlled
weapons?

http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/outdoors/rob-pavey/2011-01-15/web-controlled-guns-are-illegal

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Re: [MBZ] OT: internet-controlled shotgun array discovered in Georgia

[Rich Thomas]

So this deal was on private property, there was no actual activity going 
on, no indication that it was actually set up to do what was alleged, 
the guns were legal, and the setup was dismantled before any authorities 
showed up (on private property).  I wonder if anyone is aware of 
something called the Constitution of the United States of America, in 
particular its 4th Amendment?


Homeland Security is involved, a comforting thought.

--R

On 1/16/2011 1:28 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Apparently the landowner had put together a prototype system of web
cameras and shotguns to try to suppress feral hogs in his food plot.

I'm wondering if the headline is misleading... are remote controlled
guns themselves illegal, or is it illegal to hunt with remote controlled
weapons?

http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/outdoors/rob-pavey/2011-01-15/web-controlled-guns-are-illegal

Allan


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Re: [MBZ] OT: internet-controlled shotgun array discovered in Georgia

[Dieselhead]

Constitution?  We don't see no stinkin constitution  Janet (el) Reno


So this deal was on private property, there was no actual activity 
going on, no indication that it was actually set up to do what was 
alleged, the guns were legal, and the setup was dismantled before 
any authorities showed up (on private property).  I wonder if anyone 
is aware of something called the Constitution of the United States 
of America, in particular its 4th Amendment?


Homeland Security is involved, a comforting thought.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: internet-controlled shotgun array discovered in Georgia

[OK Don]

Perhaps the extended shell tubes made the shotguns illegal - we're limited
to three shells while hunting waterfowl. Some animals aren't considered
game, are are in 'open season' all year long (crows, coyotes) - feral hogs
might not fall into that category though. Otherwise, I think it's a great
idea!

On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 So this deal was on private property, there was no actual activity going
 on, no indication that it was actually set up to do what was alleged, the
 guns were legal, and the setup was dismantled before any authorities showed
 up (on private property).  I wonder if anyone is aware of something called
 the Constitution of the United States of America, in particular its 4th
 Amendment?

 Homeland Security is involved, a comforting thought.

 --R
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Re: [MBZ] OT: internet-controlled shotgun array discovered in Georgia

[Allan Streib]

Feral hogs are becoming something of a pest in the southeast, I think.
I don't know if there is a formal season on them or not...

On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 19:59 -0600, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Perhaps the extended shell tubes made the shotguns illegal - we're
 limited to three shells while hunting waterfowl. Some animals aren't
 considered game, are are in 'open season' all year long (crows,
 coyotes) - feral hogs might not fall into that category though.
 Otherwise, I think it's a great idea!



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