Re: [MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Most touch up paints are solvent based.

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> On May 30, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> The supplier is an ebay seller who knows nothing about the product he sells.
> 
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 3:22 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Before you go adding a thinner, confirm what the paint actually is...
>> Almost all the modern auto paints are water based [due to EPA VOC [Volatile
>> Organic Compound] Rules which bans sale of VOC based paint].
>> If the clear coat paint in the "kit" is a material that is partnered with
>> the base coat... likely it also is thinned the same as base coat...
>> Check material... then proceed with correct thinner..  Suggest you will
>> want to contact supplier directly to confirm details.
>> 
>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 3:55 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Walk through a Lowe’s Home Despot or Ace Hardware. They’ll all have an
>>> aisle that’s lined with chemicals like this. Acetone, naptha, etc., it’s
>>> all there.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On May 29, 2020, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I thought lacquer thinner was unobtainium.
 
 On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:20 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
> That is,what i would use.
> 
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> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:11 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
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>> Lacquer thinner
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> On May 29, 2020, at 9:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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>>> 
>>> How about acetone?
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The supplier is an ebay seller who knows nothing about the product he sells.

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 3:22 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Before you go adding a thinner, confirm what the paint actually is...
> Almost all the modern auto paints are water based [due to EPA VOC [Volatile
> Organic Compound] Rules which bans sale of VOC based paint].
> If the clear coat paint in the "kit" is a material that is partnered with
> the base coat... likely it also is thinned the same as base coat...
> Check material... then proceed with correct thinner..  Suggest you will
> want to contact supplier directly to confirm details.
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 3:55 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Walk through a Lowe’s Home Despot or Ace Hardware. They’ll all have an
> > aisle that’s lined with chemicals like this. Acetone, naptha, etc., it’s
> > all there.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On May 29, 2020, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I thought lacquer thinner was unobtainium.
> > >
> > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:20 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> That is,what i would use.
> > >>
> > >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> > >> Wickford RI
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:11 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Lacquer thinner
> > >>>
> > >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>
> >  On May 29, 2020, at 9:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > 
> >  How about acetone?
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Before you go adding a thinner, confirm what the paint actually is...
Almost all the modern auto paints are water based [due to EPA VOC [Volatile
Organic Compound] Rules which bans sale of VOC based paint].
If the clear coat paint in the "kit" is a material that is partnered with
the base coat... likely it also is thinned the same as base coat...
Check material... then proceed with correct thinner..  Suggest you will
want to contact supplier directly to confirm details.

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 3:55 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Walk through a Lowe’s Home Despot or Ace Hardware. They’ll all have an
> aisle that’s lined with chemicals like this. Acetone, naptha, etc., it’s
> all there.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 29, 2020, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought lacquer thinner was unobtainium.
> >
> > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:20 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> That is,what i would use.
> >>
> >> Dwight Giles Jr.
> >> Wickford RI
> >>
> >> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:11 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Lacquer thinner
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
>  On May 29, 2020, at 9:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  How about acetone?
> 
>  Max Dillon
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Walk through a Lowe’s Home Despot or Ace Hardware. They’ll all have an aisle 
that’s lined with chemicals like this. Acetone, naptha, etc., it’s all there.

-D

> On May 29, 2020, at 10:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I thought lacquer thinner was unobtainium.
> 
> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:20 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> That is,what i would use.
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:11 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Lacquer thinner
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 29, 2020, at 9:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 How about acetone?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

[Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes]

Definitely not. Go to autozone and get some paint grade lacquer thinner.

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> On May 29, 2020, at 10:55 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> I thought lacquer thinner was unobtainium.
> 
>> On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:20 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That is,what i would use.
>> 
>> Dwight Giles Jr.
>> Wickford RI
>> 
>> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:11 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Lacquer thinner
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 How about acetone?
 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

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I thought lacquer thinner was unobtainium.

On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:20 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is,what i would use.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
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> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 10:11 PM Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Lacquer thinner
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > On May 29, 2020, at 9:49 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes <
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> > > How about acetone?
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

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That is,what i would use.

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Lacquer thinner
>
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> > How about acetone?
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

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Lacquer thinner

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> How about acetone?
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[MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

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How about acetone?

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[MBZ] Clear coat thinner?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I ordered a touch up paint kit that included a small bottle of clear coat.

The paint was fine but the clear coat was syrupy and impossible to apply
thinly.  Is there a solvent I can add that will thin it out somewhat?

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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat starts peeling, driver and passenger leather seat starts to tear

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

DBAG just put a Swede in charge of Mercedes.  Another first was to have the new 
fearless leader not be an engineer.   Now we know the cars are going to be 
trash right out of the box

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> It used to mean Kurz.   Since the bow ties threw out the engineers, letters 
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>>> On September 25, 2018 at 1:11 PM Craig via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I presume the "CLK" is a cheap-class, 2-seat convertible, with a
>>> supercharger.
>> 
>> That's what I assumed back in 2005 while riding Amtrak with a young black 
>> guy who said he owned one. He looked at me like I had two heads.
>> Apparently k meant kompressor only with the 230 models.
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>> being shorter than a GL...
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat starts peeling, driver and passenger leather seat starts to tear

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> On September 26, 2018 at 10:09 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
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> 
> It used to mean Kurz.   Since the bow ties threw out the engineers, 
> letters mean anything, and therefore, nothing.

I think I conflated Kurz with Kompressor 20 years ago and it just stuck in my 
mind that way. 
SLK = short SL. 
SLK 230 Kompressor = SLK with 2.3L supercharged engine. 
GLK = short GL
CLK = short CL.

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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat starts peeling, driver and passenger leather seat starts to tear

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

It used to mean Kurz.   Since the bow ties threw out the engineers, 
letters mean anything, and therefore, nothing.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On September 25, 2018 at 1:11 PM Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:

I presume the "CLK" is a cheap-class, 2-seat convertible, with a
supercharger.


That's what I assumed back in 2005 while riding Amtrak with a young black guy 
who said he owned one. He looked at me like I had two heads.
Apparently k meant kompressor only with the 230 models.
Otherwise k means kompact, with the CLK being smaller than the W220, the GLK 
being shorter than a GL...

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat starts peeling, driver and passenger leather seat starts to tear

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ok

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On Sep 25, 2018 2:17 PM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
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> Oops, meant to say a CLK is smaller than the W220 based CL.
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat starts peeling, driver and passenger leather seat starts to tear

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Oops, meant to say a CLK is smaller than the W220 based CL.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat starts peeling, driver and passenger leather seat starts to tear

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Wasn't  the 230 a SLK with compressor
 Also the CLK is a 4 seater IIRC.

Dwight Giles Jr.
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> > supercharger.
>
> That's what I assumed back in 2005 while riding Amtrak with a young black
> guy who said he owned one. He looked at me like I had two heads.
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> Otherwise k means kompact, with the CLK being smaller than the W220, the
> GLK being shorter than a GL...
>
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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat starts peeling, driver and passenger leather seat starts to tear

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> On September 25, 2018 at 1:11 PM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I presume the "CLK" is a cheap-class, 2-seat convertible, with a
> supercharger.

That's what I assumed back in 2005 while riding Amtrak with a young black guy 
who said he owned one. He looked at me like I had two heads. 
Apparently k meant kompressor only with the 230 models. 
Otherwise k means kompact, with the CLK being smaller than the W220, the GLK 
being shorter than a GL...

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Clear coat starts peeling, driver and passenger leather seat starts to tear

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 25 Sep 2018 10:34:35 -0400 Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Somewhat ambitious on the price
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/2000-mercedes-benz-clk-320/6706494626.html

I presume the "CLK" is a cheap-class, 2-seat convertible, with a
supercharger.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I may not have been clear on that (no pun intended.)

The finishes I saw that failed consistently were almost all clear coated.

As Bob will probably concur, the damage the sun can do to any finish down here 
is pretty amazing.

On a related note, I have a friend who has a cattle ranch out in a rural part 
of the county. Right next door to them is a state university site where they 
test paint finishes for environmental exposure.  They have this area with all 
of these panels with paint samples on them that are left out in the elements 
for years to see how they're affected.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 10:24 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you think my '83 had been repainted? I'd thought it would have had a 
> single stage paint. I seem to remember this argument going around before...
> 
> -Curt
> 
>  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
> 
> The 1980s were really bad for Mercedes when it came to paint and clear coat. 
> When I first moved to Florida in the mid 90s and was looking for cars I saw 
> lots and lots of 80s era MBs with failed clear coats, base coats and 
> "courtesy repaints."
> 
> I have to believe the formulations or application, whichever caused the 
> premature failures, was addressed by the late 80s, as the occurrences seem to 
> be far less common.
> 
> This is my main reason to sticking to single stage colors, like white and 
> black. That and it's pretty much impossible to recover a finish if it's clear 
> coated.
> 
> Dan
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't live in a hot place but I've never seen a car newer than 10 years 
>> old with a failed clearcoat. The CC on our '05 Golf is fine, the '04 Ranger 
>> CC was still fine when we got rid of it. The only car I ever had with failed 
>> clearcoat was my '83 240D which must have been a cheap repaint.
>> I travel to California often (in 2 weeks as a matter of fact) and I don't 
>> see a ton of cars there with failed clear coat and you see old cars driving 
>> around LA all the time...
>> -Curt
>> 
>>   From: clay via Mercedes 
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
>> Cc: clay 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
>> 
>> Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in 
>> two years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.  I had a few 
>> neighbors who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the 
>> car.  The newer coating lasted more than a few years.
>> 
>> Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the 
>> lighter colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in 
>> warm environments.  A blue was more pastel, red


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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Do you think my '83 had been repainted? I'd thought it would have had a single 
stage paint. I seem to remember this argument going around before...

-Curt

  From: Dan--- via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: "d...@penoff.com" 
 Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 10:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
   
The 1980s were really bad for Mercedes when it came to paint and clear coat. 
When I first moved to Florida in the mid 90s and was looking for cars I saw 
lots and lots of 80s era MBs with failed clear coats, base coats and "courtesy 
repaints."

I have to believe the formulations or application, whichever caused the 
premature failures, was addressed by the late 80s, as the occurrences seem to 
be far less common.

This is my main reason to sticking to single stage colors, like white and 
black. That and it's pretty much impossible to recover a finish if it's clear 
coated.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't live in a hot place but I've never seen a car newer than 10 years old 
> with a failed clearcoat. The CC on our '05 Golf is fine, the '04 Ranger CC 
> was still fine when we got rid of it. The only car I ever had with failed 
> clearcoat was my '83 240D which must have been a cheap repaint.
> I travel to California often (in 2 weeks as a matter of fact) and I don't see 
> a ton of cars there with failed clear coat and you see old cars driving 
> around LA all the time...
> -Curt
> 
>      From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
> 
> Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in 
> two years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.  I had a few 
> neighbors who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the 
> car.  The newer coating lasted more than a few years.
> 
> Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the 
> lighter colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in warm 
> environments.  A blue was more pastel, reds were .. well, red.  Light green, 
> orange, white, silver, all colors that would not suck up calories, which 
> might scorch a kid should it touch it.  AT that time, not too many cars were 
> AC equipped, so interiors were light if not fabric.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a solid 
>> color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear peeling?  
>> Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  But does the 2 
>> yr old car used for business?
>> 
>> My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to 
>> repaint the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 years 
>> ago when clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you were going to 
>> live in a hot place...
>> 
>>> G Mann via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
>>> Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
>>> through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
>>> refle


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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Dan--- via Mercedes]

The 1980s were really bad for Mercedes when it came to paint and clear coat. 
When I first moved to Florida in the mid 90s and was looking for cars I saw 
lots and lots of 80s era MBs with failed clear coats, base coats and "courtesy 
repaints."

I have to believe the formulations or application, whichever caused the 
premature failures, was addressed by the late 80s, as the occurrences seem to 
be far less common.

This is my main reason to sticking to single stage colors, like white and 
black. That and it's pretty much impossible to recover a finish if it's clear 
coated.

Dan

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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't live in a hot place but I've never seen a car newer than 10 years old 
> with a failed clearcoat. The CC on our '05 Golf is fine, the '04 Ranger CC 
> was still fine when we got rid of it. The only car I ever had with failed 
> clearcoat was my '83 240D which must have been a cheap repaint.
> I travel to California often (in 2 weeks as a matter of fact) and I don't see 
> a ton of cars there with failed clear coat and you see old cars driving 
> around LA all the time...
> -Curt
> 
>  From: clay via Mercedes 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List  
> Cc: clay 
> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
> 
> Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in 
> two years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.  I had a few 
> neighbors who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the 
> car.  The newer coating lasted more than a few years.
> 
> Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the 
> lighter colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in warm 
> environments.  A blue was more pastel, reds were .. well, red.  Light green, 
> orange, white, silver, all colors that would not suck up calories, which 
> might scorch a kid should it touch it.  AT that time, not too many cars were 
> AC equipped, so interiors were light if not fabric.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a solid 
>> color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear peeling?  
>> Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  But does the 2 
>> yr old car used for business?
>> 
>> My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to 
>> repaint the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 years 
>> ago when clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you were going to 
>> live in a hot place...
>> 
>>> G Mann via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>>> September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
>>> Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
>>> through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
>>> refle


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[MBZ] Clear coat

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

BTW I went out and attacked the clearcoat on the Golf fender with 2000 grit 
last night to polish off the orange peel. I spent half an hour on it and today 
I'll go pick up some 1500 grit. In half an hour I got maybe 1/8th of the fender 
looking really good. The 2000 grit is just not aggressive enough.
-Curt
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I don't live in a hot place but I've never seen a car newer than 10 years old 
with a failed clearcoat. The CC on our '05 Golf is fine, the '04 Ranger CC was 
still fine when we got rid of it. The only car I ever had with failed clearcoat 
was my '83 240D which must have been a cheap repaint.
I travel to California often (in 2 weeks as a matter of fact) and I don't see a 
ton of cars there with failed clear coat and you see old cars driving around LA 
all the time...
-Curt

  From: clay via Mercedes 
 To: Mercedes Discussion List  
Cc: clay 
 Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 10:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question
   
Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in two 
years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.  I had a few neighbors 
who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the car.  The 
newer coating lasted more than a few years.

Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the lighter 
colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in warm 
environments.  A blue was more pastel, reds were .. well, red.  Light green, 
orange, white, silver, all colors that would not suck up calories, which might 
scorch a kid should it touch it.  AT that time, not too many cars were AC 
equipped, so interiors were light if not fabric.

clay


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a solid 
> color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear peeling?  
> Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  But does the 2 
> yr old car used for business?
> 
> My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to repaint 
> the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 years ago when 
> clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you were going to live in a 
> hot place...
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes <mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>
>> September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
>> Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
>> through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
>> reflective under the clear coat.. when the UV light is refracted back to
>> the surface of the clear coat, it is reflected back to the base coat,
>> because the surface of the clear coat "on the surface" is cloudy and the UV
>> light can't get out.. so it bounces back and forth, all the while
>> microscopically super heating the clear coating, which caused it to
>> separate from the base coat and fail...
>> 
>> Bad system design... Looks nice for a couple years.. then fails
>> progressively faster... By it's nature.. it "bonds" to the base coat.. so
>> can't be stripped as an individual coating...
>> 
>> In Arizona.. where clear coat failure only takes one year instead of two,
>> because the sun shines 353 days of the year..
>> 
>> Grant...
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:05 PM, clay via Mercedes 
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>> September 18, 2016 at 12:05 AM
>> Gump had a massive case of clear coat Leprosy. I used a razor to cut away 
>> the really bad patches. I also did the sanding of edges to try to feather it 
>> in an attempt to get it to stop spreading. The stuff was resistant to my 
>> ministrations. I suspect there was a respray at one time and the coat was 
>> destined to fail. My suspicion would be that complete removal by sanding 
>> would give you a much better surface to begin with. Polei has a few spots of 
>> entrenched clear ( really small less than a folded dollar) that I sanded 
>> down the edges if I could not completely obliterate. I used 80 grit as a 
>> first phase, then went 100/150 then 220/320 before I did a 400/600 sanding, 
>> which ended with 800/1000 so that there were no hard edges or the stuff was 
>> gone.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[clay via Mercedes]

Not sure about hot spaces, but in the wet PNW, if the dang paint failed in two 
years, the car was off to the dealer under warrantee.   I had a few neighbors 
who had the chrysler POS paint and ended up with new paint on the car.  The 
newer coating lasted more than a few years.

Though a black or dark car is pretty spiffy, in a warm environment, the lighter 
colors are more in vogue.  Or at least they were when I lived in warm 
environments.   A blue was more pastel, reds were .. well, red.  Light green, 
orange, white, silver, all colors that would not suck up calories, which might 
scorch a kid should it touch it.  AT that time, not too many cars were AC 
equipped, so interiors were light if not fabric.

clay


> On Sep 18, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a solid 
> color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear peeling?   
> Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  But does the 2 
> yr old car used for business?
> 
> My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to repaint 
> the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 years ago when 
> clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you were going to live in a 
> hot place...
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
>> Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
>> through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
>> reflective under the clear coat.. when the UV light is refracted back to
>> the surface of the clear coat, it is reflected back to the base coat,
>> because the surface of the clear coat "on the surface" is cloudy and the UV
>> light can't get out.. so it bounces back and forth, all the while
>> microscopically super heating the clear coating, which caused it to
>> separate from the base coat and fail...
>> 
>> Bad system design... Looks nice for a couple years.. then fails
>> progressively faster... By it's nature.. it "bonds" to the base coat.. so
>> can't be stripped as an individual coating...
>> 
>> In Arizona.. where clear coat failure only takes one year instead of two,
>> because the sun shines 353 days of the year..
>> 
>> Grant...
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:05 PM, clay via Mercedes 
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>> clay via Mercedes 
>> September 18, 2016 at 12:05 AM
>> Gump had a massive case of clear coat Leprosy. I used a razor to cut away 
>> the really bad patches. I also did the sanding of edges to try to feather it 
>> in an attempt to get it to stop spreading. The stuff was resistant to my 
>> ministrations. I suspect there was a respray at one time and the coat was 
>> destined to fail. My suspicion would be that complete removal by sanding 
>> would give you a much better surface to begin with. Polei has a few spots of 
>> entrenched clear ( really small less than a folded dollar) that I sanded 
>> down the edges if I could not completely obliterate. I used 80 grit as a 
>> first phase, then went 100/150 then 220/320 before I did a 400/600 sanding, 
>> which ended with 800/1000 so that there were no hard edges or the stuff was 
>> gone.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> September 17, 2016 at 6:39 PM
>> I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the 
>> roof. The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what 
>> I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
>> 
>> As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and 
>> just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
>> 
>> I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?
>> 
>> Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations 
>> would be appreciated.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

In the case of cars in hot places, do people get them repainted with a 
solid color after a couple years, or just drive around with the clear 
peeling?   Probably, it depends.  The old pickup does not get painted.  
But does the 2 yr old car used for business?


My only experience was with Livingston, CA and people there seemed to 
repaint the cars and trucks in a solid white.  But that was maybe 15 
years ago when clear was not as prevalent.  Made sense to me, it you 
were going to live in a hot place...



G Mann via Mercedes 
September 18, 2016 at 12:27 AM
Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
reflective under the clear coat.. when the UV light is refracted back to
the surface of the clear coat, it is reflected back to the base coat,
because the surface of the clear coat "on the surface" is cloudy and 
the UV

light can't get out.. so it bounces back and forth, all the while
microscopically super heating the clear coating, which caused it to
separate from the base coat and fail...

Bad system design... Looks nice for a couple years.. then fails
progressively faster... By it's nature.. it "bonds" to the base coat.. so
can't be stripped as an individual coating...

In Arizona.. where clear coat failure only takes one year instead of two,
because the sun shines 353 days of the year..

Grant...

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:05 PM, clay via Mercedes 


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clay via Mercedes 
September 18, 2016 at 12:05 AM
Gump had a massive case of clear coat Leprosy. I used a razor to cut 
away the really bad patches. I also did the sanding of edges to try to 
feather it in an attempt to get it to stop spreading. The stuff was 
resistant to my ministrations. I suspect there was a respray at one 
time and the coat was destined to fail. My suspicion would be that 
complete removal by sanding would give you a much better surface to 
begin with. Polei has a few spots of entrenched clear ( really small 
less than a folded dollar) that I sanded down the edges if I could not 
completely obliterate. I used 80 grit as a first phase, then went 
100/150 then 220/320 before I did a 400/600 sanding, which ended with 
800/1000 so that there were no hard edges or the stuff was gone.


clay





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Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
September 17, 2016 at 6:39 PM
I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on 
the roof. The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel 
for what I might be getting into should I want to buy it.


As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered 
and just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?


I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up 
again?


Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make 
recommendations would be appreciated.


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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Agreed. It's fine for a lantern but too small for car panels.

Curt

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clear.  The pattern is too small for the sort of coverage I would expect.  I 
tried doing PC case painting a number of years ago.  The base was pretty 
simple, but getting a clear coat that behaved out of a can was near impossible.



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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I figured that would be the advice of a professional paint person, but I’m 
> sure there are ways to “get around” this.  I’m doing some googling to see if 
> there are short cuts.
> 
> II realize it’s only delaying the inevitable, but I figure it’s worth looking 
> into if possible.  Heck, maybe Clay could come down and rattle can some clear 
> on it…
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> When my 240D had that problem I was told I'd have to strip all the clear and 
>> recoat, that it'd just keep peeling otherwise.
>> 
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the 
>> roof.  The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what 
>> I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
>> 
>> As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and 
>> just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
>> 
>> I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?
>> 
>> Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations 
>> would be appreciated.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Clear coat paint is a programmed failure. Mechanically, sunlight passes
through the clear coat, is reflected by the base coat, which is smooth and
reflective under the clear coat.. when the UV light is refracted back to
the surface of the clear coat, it is reflected back to the base coat,
because the surface of the clear coat "on the surface" is cloudy and the UV
light can't get out.. so it bounces back and forth, all the while
microscopically super heating the  clear coating, which caused it to
separate from the base coat and fail...

Bad system design... Looks nice for a couple years.. then fails
progressively faster... By it's nature.. it "bonds" to the base coat.. so
can't be stripped as an individual coating...

In Arizona.. where clear coat failure only takes one year instead of two,
because the sun shines 353 days of the year..

Grant...

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:05 PM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Gump had a massive case of clear coat Leprosy.  I used a razor to cut away
> the really bad patches.  I also did the sanding of edges to try to feather
> it in an attempt to get it to stop spreading.  The stuff was resistant to
> my ministrations.  I suspect there was a respray at one time and the coat
> was destined to fail.  My suspicion would be that complete removal by
> sanding would give you a much better surface to begin with.  Polei has a
> few spots of entrenched clear ( really small less than a folded dollar)
> that I sanded down the edges if I could not completely obliterate.  I used
> 80 grit as a first phase, then went 100/150 then 220/320 before I did a
> 400/600 sanding, which ended with 800/1000 so that there were no hard edges
> or the stuff was gone.
>
> clay
>
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the
> roof.  The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for
> what I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
> >
> > As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and
> just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
> >
> > I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up
> again?
> >
> > Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations
> would be appreciated.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[clay via Mercedes]

Clear bothers me.  I am not happy with how rattle can spews forth in a clear.  
The pattern is too small for the sort of coverage I would expect.  I tried 
doing PC case painting a number of years ago.  The base was pretty simple, but 
getting a clear coat that behaved out of a can was near impossible.



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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I figured that would be the advice of a professional paint person, but I’m 
> sure there are ways to “get around” this.  I’m doing some googling to see if 
> there are short cuts.
> 
> II realize it’s only delaying the inevitable, but I figure it’s worth looking 
> into if possible.  Heck, maybe Clay could come down and rattle can some clear 
> on it…
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> When my 240D had that problem I was told I'd have to strip all the clear and 
>> recoat, that it'd just keep peeling otherwise.
>> 
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the 
>> roof.  The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what 
>> I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
>> 
>> As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and 
>> just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
>> 
>> I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?
>> 
>> Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations 
>> would be appreciated.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[clay via Mercedes]

Gump had a massive case of clear coat Leprosy.  I used a razor to cut away the 
really bad patches.  I also did the sanding of edges to try to feather it in an 
attempt to get it to stop spreading.  The stuff was resistant to my 
ministrations.  I suspect there was a respray at one time and the coat was 
destined to fail.  My suspicion would be that complete removal by sanding would 
give you a much better surface to begin with.  Polei has a few spots of 
entrenched clear ( really small less than a folded dollar) that I sanded down 
the edges if I could not completely obliterate.  I used 80 grit as a first 
phase, then went 100/150 then 220/320 before I did a 400/600 sanding, which 
ended with 800/1000 so that there were no hard edges or the stuff was gone.

clay



> On Sep 17, 2016, at 4:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the 
> roof.  The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what 
> I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
> 
> As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and just 
> polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
> 
> I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?
> 
> Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I tried spraying some rattle can clear over a section of missing clear coat
on my SDL - it looked just as bad, but different.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I figured that would be the advice of a professional paint person, but I’m
> sure there are ways to “get around” this.  I’m doing some googling to see
> if there are short cuts.
>
> II realize it’s only delaying the inevitable, but I figure it’s worth
> looking into if possible.  Heck, maybe Clay could come down and rattle can
> some clear on it…
>
> Dan
>

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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

Ask Martha.

Dwight Giles Jr.
1982 300CD
1990 300D
Wickford RI

On Sep 17, 2016 7:50 PM, "Dan Penoff via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> I figured that would be the advice of a professional paint person, but I’m
> sure there are ways to “get around” this.  I’m doing some googling to see
> if there are short cuts.
>
> II realize it’s only delaying the inevitable, but I figure it’s worth
> looking into if possible.  Heck, maybe Clay could come down and rattle can
> some clear on it…
>
> Dan
>
>
> > On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> >
> > When my 240D had that problem I was told I'd have to strip all the clear
> and recoat, that it'd just keep peeling otherwise.
> >
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android  com/mobile/?.src=Android>
> > On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the
> roof.  The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for
> what I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
> >
> > As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and
> just polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
> >
> > I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up
> again?
> >
> > Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations
> would be appreciated.
> >
> > Dan
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The only cure is death, or so I hear.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes, but what a great addiction it is!  No cure, either, or so I’ve heard.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Oh boy, you are getting addicted
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, but what a great addiction it is!  No cure, either, or so I’ve heard.


> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:52 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh boy, you are getting addicted
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Oh boy, you are getting addicted

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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 6:47 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes.  1987 300SDL.
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> So what is this 126 you speak of? Another diesel?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I figured that would be the advice of a professional paint person, but I’m sure 
there are ways to “get around” this.  I’m doing some googling to see if there 
are short cuts.

II realize it’s only delaying the inevitable, but I figure it’s worth looking 
into if possible.  Heck, maybe Clay could come down and rattle can some clear 
on it…

Dan

 
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:43 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> When my 240D had that problem I was told I'd have to strip all the clear and 
> recoat, that it'd just keep peeling otherwise.
> 
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the 
> roof.  The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what 
> I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
> 
> As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and just 
> polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
> 
> I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?
> 
> Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations 
> would be appreciated.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes.  1987 300SDL.

> On Sep 17, 2016, at 7:44 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So what is this 126 you speak of? Another diesel?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So what is this 126 you speak of? Another diesel?

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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 6:39 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the 
> roof.  The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what 
> I might be getting into should I want to buy it.
> 
> As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and just 
> polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?
> 
> I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?
> 
> Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations 
> would be appreciated.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When my 240D had that problem I was told I'd have to strip all the clear and 
recoat, that it'd just keep peeling otherwise.

Curt

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  On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow 
that has clear coat peeling on the roof.  The rest of the car might be OK, so 
I’m trying to get a feel for what I might be getting into should I want to buy 
it.

As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and just 
polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?

I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?

Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations would 
be appreciated.

Dan
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[MBZ] Clear Coat Question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I am going to look at a W126 tomorrow that has clear coat peeling on the roof.  
The rest of the car might be OK, so I’m trying to get a feel for what I might 
be getting into should I want to buy it.

As an interim approach, can the edges of the clear coat be feathered and just 
polished or buffed out so it blends into the surface?

I assume that clear coat could be reapplied to seal the area back up again?

Any paint enabled folks here who want to comment or make recommendations would 
be appreciated.

Dan
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[MBZ] Clear coat

[relngson]

>
><<1972 220D/8 I had had no clearcoat and even thirty years later it's
>paint would shine up nicely.
>
>So why do cars now have clearcoats?
>
>Are the paints different, such that they would not shine up as well or
>last as well?>>
 
Metallic paints used for the last 25 years or more are two step paints. The 
color goes on flat and has no shine at all. The clear coat seals it and 
provides the shine and texture. There are now some non-metallics that are clear 
coated, I think. When you polish the clear coat, you are not polishing the 
color and if you polish through to the color, you most likely wil have to 
repaint the panel to restore it.
 
RLE/Hershey PA today