Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: To the best of my knowledge, failed oiler tubes won’t cause oil pressure to drop in the main gallery, just at the heads and lifters. The typical symptom is lifter noise, as the failure of a tube or two causes oil pressure to drop in the oil gallery feeding the lifters. Holy crap, 119 180 02 66 is a SINGLE plastic oiler tube for $17? And the engine holds 16 of them, for $270? No wonder people are paying $230 for a set of 1992 vintage 119 187 000 87 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
I know a couple of people you can get the aluminum ones from for $200 shipped with new O rings. That's pretty much the market price on Benzworld these days. You're going to go in there, you might as well do them all Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:26 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: To the best of my knowledge, failed oiler tubes won’t cause oil pressure to drop in the main gallery, just at the heads and lifters. The typical symptom is lifter noise, as the failure of a tube or two causes oil pressure to drop in the oil gallery feeding the lifters. Holy crap, 119 180 02 66 is a SINGLE plastic oiler tube for $17? And the engine holds 16 of them, for $270? No wonder people are paying $230 for a set of 1992 vintage 119 187 000 87 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
To the best of my knowledge, failed oiler tubes won’t cause oil pressure to drop in the main gallery, just at the heads and lifters. The typical symptom is lifter noise, as the failure of a tube or two causes oil pressure to drop in the oil gallery feeding the lifters. More likely to be a bad oil pressure sender, which is not uncommon in the W140 chassis. In fact, I had to change the one on my S420, but more because it was leaking. The gauge was still working properly. Easy job, takes all of about 10 minutes if that. I can find you a set of aluminum oilers if you want, ultrasonically cleaned and with new “O” rings. $200 is the going price these days. I happen to have a set sitting in the parts drawer in the garage. I did them on the SL500, which had a couple of bad tubes, and when another set came up for sale I grabbed them thinking I might need a set for the S500 or the S420. So far, neither has had the problem. For what it’s worth, this is a good job to do, especially on higher mileage cars, as you can also change out the top chain guides while you’re in there. Parts costs besides the oiler tubes is about $150, if that. Dan On Jun 8, 2015, at 10:04 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, what little I found around the inter web suggests that the pleated paper filters aren't up for the change intervals and as a result the media breaks down and fails. Also saw some comments about the fleece, particulate size, and compatibility with synthetic oils. Interesting. My S420 is having bouncing oil pressure gauge issues. I hope it's just the sending unit. I changed the oil this weekend, and the NAPA filter I took out was no longer round. Not busted, just collapsed a bit. IIRC, it had about 3k mi on i. I suppose it's time to take the valve covers off and see if any valve oilers have lost their end caps. (Or is that only the aluminum ones? Mine are plastic) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: More likely to be a bad oil pressure sender, which is not uncommon in the W140 chassis. In fact, I had to change the one on my S420, but more because it was leaking. The gauge was still working properly. Easy job, takes all of about 10 minutes if that. I found this, but couldn't quite make out where exactly the sensor is. I thought it was on the bottom of the filter housing, but I got the idea he was farther back than that. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/1903745-photo-diy-oil-pressure-system-testing.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
Directly behind the alternator towards the middle of the car. It comes off the bottom of the oil filter housing where it meets the engine. If you get under the car, just find the alternator and follow the harness back towards the firewall. It's right there. That guy in the W140 forum is disgusting. grin He must have more money than he knows what to do with, as everything he does is with the factory tools or Hazet stuff. Must be nice He does do some nice write ups, however. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 9, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: More likely to be a bad oil pressure sender, which is not uncommon in the W140 chassis. In fact, I had to change the one on my S420, but more because it was leaking. The gauge was still working properly. Easy job, takes all of about 10 minutes if that. I found this, but couldn't quite make out where exactly the sensor is. I thought it was on the bottom of the filter housing, but I got the idea he was farther back than that. http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w140-s-class/1903745-photo-diy-oil-pressure-system-testing.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
On June 9, 2015 at 12:59 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: That guy in the W140 forum is disgusting. grin He must have more money than he knows what to do with, as everything he does is with the factory tools or Hazet stuff. Must be nice He does do some nice write ups, however. Yeah, if his high end tool collection is as complete as it seems to be, it must have cost about 2x as much as a dealership mechanic spends in the first 20 years of his career. I've seen various homemade resistor arrays set up so that by configuring a few jumpers you can make just about any resistance you want, but get a load of his decade box. Never saw somebody work on a car with one of those before. here, I dial up 40 Ohms on my decade box, plug it in to the oil pressure circuit, and voila, the gauge reads 1 bar Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
That's pretty much what I saw in the examples of why you shouldn't use a pleated filter. Lots of them that looked like they disintegrated or just blew apart. Nothing but fleece for my car after seeing that Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2015, at 2:46 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Pleats are no bueno. I had a free service coupon for a reputable shop very near my home. This fellow has done work for me on any non-MB vehicles I've owned. So I took in my '08 CLK 350 for a service and I had all the correct filters in the front seat. When I walked over to pick up the car, the oil filter was still on the front seat. Dude told me they had one of the correct oil filters in back so he used it so I could save mine. Fast forward to the next service due and I took it over to my normal guy (MB Motors) and when he went to take the oil filter out it had discinigrated into various chunks of pleated schmutz. It was nasty. I saved all the chunks in a zip lock bag and took it over to the other shop. Got a heartfelt apology from the guy by my house and he told me he owes me. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
Pleats are no bueno. I had a free service coupon for a reputable shop very near my home. This fellow has done work for me on any non-MB vehicles I've owned. So I took in my '08 CLK 350 for a service and I had all the correct filters in the front seat. When I walked over to pick up the car, the oil filter was still on the front seat. Dude told me they had one of the correct oil filters in back so he used it so I could save mine. Fast forward to the next service due and I took it over to my normal guy (MB Motors) and when he went to take the oil filter out it had discinigrated into various chunks of pleated schmutz. It was nasty. I saved all the chunks in a zip lock bag and took it over to the other shop. Got a heartfelt apology from the guy by my house and he told me he owes me. Bob R On Jun 8, 2015 10:14 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Yeah, what little I found around the inter web suggests that the pleated paper filters aren't up for the change intervals and as a result the media breaks down and fails. Also saw some comments about the fleece, particulate size, and compatibility with synthetic oils. Interesting. I'll continue to go through the menus, but I seem to recall reading something about certain (reset) button presses when starting the car that take you into a diagnostic menu that lets you see engine parameters. I'll post something when I find it. Thanks! This was a real easy car the Martha, as it was in good shape when I got it. Dan/Martha Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:46 AM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think the fleece is the real deal and the pleats are not going to do the job as needed. It looks like the pressure exerted on the old filter was enough to crush it. I have not been able to find an oil pressure in the drop down menu. Maybe you can suck it out with a code reader? Your Marthaing is very nice. clay On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Did the “A” service on the S430 today. It was due in a couple thousand miles, so I figured I would get ahead of the curve and do it. Some things I encountered I have questions about since this is my first W220 car: The oil filter that was in the car was a pleated type made in Poland. No manufacturer’s name or logo on it. Hmm. Are the pleated filters acceptable as opposed to the fleece? The fleece (Mann) filter I got had all the “O” rings with it. I had one left over, a big one, maybe an inch in diameter. There was another one this size on the oil filter “tube” where the “tube” was larger in diameter. I couldn’t find any others of the same size. There were two smaller ones near the bottom of the “tube”. Did I miss something? I don’t like the lack of an oil pressure gauge. I think there s a way to get the display to show oil pressure that I saw while researching the car. I’ll have to find it. Still working on Marthaing the engine compartment. The engine is almost done, then I have to move out to the tops of the fenders. Looking better every day. Cabin filters were a piece of cake to replace. The ones that were in the car were pretty nasty. Pictures of everything here if you want to look at them: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l4ros9hn1jjkxpy/AAA1EefYAD6Vk8driRyd1mSva?dl=0 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I fixed it. --R On 6/8/15 3:14 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Got a heartfelt apology from the guy by my house and he told me he owes me a new engine. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
Yeah, what little I found around the inter web suggests that the pleated paper filters aren't up for the change intervals and as a result the media breaks down and fails. Also saw some comments about the fleece, particulate size, and compatibility with synthetic oils. Interesting. I'll continue to go through the menus, but I seem to recall reading something about certain (reset) button presses when starting the car that take you into a diagnostic menu that lets you see engine parameters. I'll post something when I find it. Thanks! This was a real easy car the Martha, as it was in good shape when I got it. Dan/Martha Sent from my iPad On Jun 8, 2015, at 11:46 AM, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: I think the fleece is the real deal and the pleats are not going to do the job as needed. It looks like the pressure exerted on the old filter was enough to crush it. I have not been able to find an oil pressure in the drop down menu. Maybe you can suck it out with a code reader? Your Marthaing is very nice. clay On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Did the “A” service on the S430 today. It was due in a couple thousand miles, so I figured I would get ahead of the curve and do it. Some things I encountered I have questions about since this is my first W220 car: The oil filter that was in the car was a pleated type made in Poland. No manufacturer’s name or logo on it. Hmm. Are the pleated filters acceptable as opposed to the fleece? The fleece (Mann) filter I got had all the “O” rings with it. I had one left over, a big one, maybe an inch in diameter. There was another one this size on the oil filter “tube” where the “tube” was larger in diameter. I couldn’t find any others of the same size. There were two smaller ones near the bottom of the “tube”. Did I miss something? I don’t like the lack of an oil pressure gauge. I think there s a way to get the display to show oil pressure that I saw while researching the car. I’ll have to find it. Still working on Marthaing the engine compartment. The engine is almost done, then I have to move out to the tops of the fenders. Looking better every day. Cabin filters were a piece of cake to replace. The ones that were in the car were pretty nasty. Pictures of everything here if you want to look at them: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l4ros9hn1jjkxpy/AAA1EefYAD6Vk8driRyd1mSva?dl=0 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Yeah, what little I found around the inter web suggests that the pleated paper filters aren't up for the change intervals and as a result the media breaks down and fails. Also saw some comments about the fleece, particulate size, and compatibility with synthetic oils. Interesting. My S420 is having bouncing oil pressure gauge issues. I hope it's just the sending unit. I changed the oil this weekend, and the NAPA filter I took out was no longer round. Not busted, just collapsed a bit. IIRC, it had about 3k mi on i. I suppose it's time to take the valve covers off and see if any valve oilers have lost their end caps. (Or is that only the aluminum ones? Mine are plastic) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Reflections on A Service
I think the fleece is the real deal and the pleats are not going to do the job as needed. It looks like the pressure exerted on the old filter was enough to crush it. I have not been able to find an oil pressure in the drop down menu. Maybe you can suck it out with a code reader? Your Marthaing is very nice. clay On Jun 7, 2015, at 8:56 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Did the “A” service on the S430 today. It was due in a couple thousand miles, so I figured I would get ahead of the curve and do it. Some things I encountered I have questions about since this is my first W220 car: The oil filter that was in the car was a pleated type made in Poland. No manufacturer’s name or logo on it. Hmm. Are the pleated filters acceptable as opposed to the fleece? The fleece (Mann) filter I got had all the “O” rings with it. I had one left over, a big one, maybe an inch in diameter. There was another one this size on the oil filter “tube” where the “tube” was larger in diameter. I couldn’t find any others of the same size. There were two smaller ones near the bottom of the “tube”. Did I miss something? I don’t like the lack of an oil pressure gauge. I think there s a way to get the display to show oil pressure that I saw while researching the car. I’ll have to find it. Still working on Marthaing the engine compartment. The engine is almost done, then I have to move out to the tops of the fenders. Looking better every day. Cabin filters were a piece of cake to replace. The ones that were in the car were pretty nasty. Pictures of everything here if you want to look at them: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l4ros9hn1jjkxpy/AAA1EefYAD6Vk8driRyd1mSva?dl=0 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Reflections on A Service
Did the “A” service on the S430 today. It was due in a couple thousand miles, so I figured I would get ahead of the curve and do it. Some things I encountered I have questions about since this is my first W220 car: The oil filter that was in the car was a pleated type made in Poland. No manufacturer’s name or logo on it. Hmm. Are the pleated filters acceptable as opposed to the fleece? The fleece (Mann) filter I got had all the “O” rings with it. I had one left over, a big one, maybe an inch in diameter. There was another one this size on the oil filter “tube” where the “tube” was larger in diameter. I couldn’t find any others of the same size. There were two smaller ones near the bottom of the “tube”. Did I miss something? I don’t like the lack of an oil pressure gauge. I think there s a way to get the display to show oil pressure that I saw while researching the car. I’ll have to find it. Still working on Marthaing the engine compartment. The engine is almost done, then I have to move out to the tops of the fenders. Looking better every day. Cabin filters were a piece of cake to replace. The ones that were in the car were pretty nasty. Pictures of everything here if you want to look at them: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/l4ros9hn1jjkxpy/AAA1EefYAD6Vk8driRyd1mSva?dl=0 Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
