Damn, between the water and the CO2 and methane I am making from my beer
I am killing the planet.
Where can I get me summadat money to deal with my global climate
disrupting brewing and drinking? I figure $750k would be enough.
--R
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Your stimulus check is in the mail.. didn't you get it yet?
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Damn, between the water and the CO2 and methane I am making from my beer I
am killing the planet.
Where can I get me
I need to declare myself a turd-wurld nation then I'm sure it will be here.
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Your stimulus check is in the mail.. didn't you get it yet?
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Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Outdoor cats do a lot more damage to birds than windmills, I imagine...
But cats help out with natural selection.
I imagine getting whacked by a 500mph rotor tip is too random to do any culling.
Mitch.
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I think usually cats get eaten by bald eagles, and not vice versa?
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
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I think usually cats get eaten by bald eagles, and not vice versa?
Max Dillon,
Charleston SC
Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Outdoor cats do a lot more damage to birds than windmills, I imagine...
I've not heard about cats, but li'l yapyap dogs are favored by eagles
The hawks around my house prefer squirrels.
Dan
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On Nov 14, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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I think usually cats get eaten by bald eagles, and not vice versa?
Max Dillon,
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Coupla years ago right about now I was riding my bike on a back road and
heard this commotion of crows so stopped to see what it was. There was a
bald eagle sitting out in a field, all the crows were mobbing it. The
eagle kept trying to take off but it had something largish and black and
http://okchomesellers.com/random-thoughts/eagles-vs-crows-air-combat/
Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote:
Coupla years ago right about now I was riding my bike on a back road and
heard this commotion of crows so stopped to see what it was. There was a
bald eagle sitting out in a field, all the
When I lived in NW DC, a dead bird fell from the sky into the alley about
10' from where I was standing just as an ominous shadow passed overhead. I
went inside the house for about 40 minutes, and when I returned to the
alley the bird carcass had vanished. Must have been a red tailed hawk,
which
In this part of Florida turkey vultures are all over. While not attractive
birds, they assure that the streets and other areas are cleaned of all sorts of
dead animal with amazing efficiency.
It's not uncommon to see a road kill pulled off to the side of the road in the
morning and by
I was walking with Andrew one day and I saw a dead bird. I said,
Andrew, look at the dead bird. He looked up at the saky, and said,
Where?
--R
On 11/14/14 11:24 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
When I lived in NW DC, a dead bird fell from the sky into the alley about
10' from
I wonder - will they do us such a favor for politicians? Or is their flesh
too unpalatable?
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
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In this part of Florida turkey vultures are all over. While not
attractive birds, they assure that the streets
Hey Rich, wrong Andrew, although my standing offer of one (1) complementary
b**r is still in effect as an incentive to get to know me better. This
offer valid in the Washington, DC metropolitan area.
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I wonder -
Saky? Isn't that spelled Saki?
I was walking with Andrew one day and I saw a dead bird. I said,
Andrew, look at the dead bird. He looked up at the saky, and
said, Where?
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Gotta shoot the pols first.
My friend who ran a grain elevator in the 80s (farm crisis era) said
he wanted open season, no bag limit on lawyers. That would take care
of most of the pol problem too. We'd be left with grassley, whom
Bruce Braley made a big deal about since grassley was not a
Not all lawyers are bad, and not all non lawyers are good.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
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Saky? Isn't that spelled Saki?
I was walking with Andrew one day and I saw a dead bird. I said,
Andrew, look at the dead bird. He looked up
Not sure why, but not nearly so many lawyers in politics these days - at
least not in Canada.
Used to be that almost all of the politicians were lawyers. One of the
reasons was the it was relatively easy for a lawyer in a bigger firm to
leave the practice and then to come back to it if they
True, but there sure are a lot of questionable lawyers.
RB who has to deal with them all the time
On 14/11/2014 1:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
Not all lawyers are bad, and not all non lawyers are good.
On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
lysdexic figners
--R
On 11/14/14 1:57 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Saky? Isn't that spelled Saki?
I was walking with Andrew one day and I saw a dead bird. I said,
Andrew, look at the dead bird. He looked up at the saky, and said,
Where?
--R
Dan wrote:
...turkey vultures ... they assure that the streets and other areas are
cleaned of all sorts of dead animal with amazing efficiency.
Send one up here to clean up two roadkill possum just down the street.
Do possum roam this time of year for fun? Perhaps the other birds of
prey in
In the house one day we heard a loud bang. Turned out that a red tailed hawk
chasing a bird crashed into a window. Both were gone but feathers and a spot on
the window provided the evidence. Red tailed hawks are the only raptors around
here except owls that hunt at night.
Gerry
Andrew
North Florida was poor during the early 1950s. Many chemistry majors couldn't
afford beer so they made raisin jack**, poured it in the labs large
polyethylene cylinders, and froze it in the lab refrigerators.
After it was frozen, a layer of yeast cells, raisins, and anything else that
Back when wind was big the first time due to tax subsidies (MEOW as
Jimmuh called it), I was tasked to study something called a
superconducting magnetic energy storage system. This is basically a
large supercooled metal donut into which electrical energy is
injected, then it keeps flowing
If you could make enough power cheap enough making hydrogen would be worth it.
In California they may end up using wind power to desalinate water...
Curt
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The only viable solution to over use of energy, it to run out of it and
revert to the stone age. So, Andrew, throw away your Ipod, your computer
access, all your electrical devices, park your Prius [forever] and learn to
kill tasty animals and build fire.
All efforts otherwise are futile, accept
While you jeer, sneer and cast corrosive witticisms from the sidelines,
solar and wind power are growing by leaps and bounds, here and abroad. The
price of PV continues to plummet, and utilities are warming to the idea of
distributed generation (rooftop and community solar and wind). Lots of
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The
price of PV continues to plummet, and utilities are warming to the idea
Solar. PhotoVoltaic.
Dan
On Nov 13, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes
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The
price of PV continues to plummet, and utilities are warming to the idea of
distributed generation
What is PV?
Rick
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Be nice now.
Wind and PV and other alternatives have a place where they make
technical and economic sense, without artificial economics (and don't go
off on the all bidness as a straw dog); otherwise, it is all apples and
oranges and peaches.
Spain almost went broke (or they did until the
But they will benefit with cleaner air and better health.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
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Be nice now.
Wind and PV and other alternatives have a place where they make technical
and economic sense, without artificial economics (and don't
photo voltaic as is solar cells
Navy undoubtedly has other meanings for PV
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. Not to mention that due to
transmission losses they have to be sited somewhat near the end users. SO we
all get the impacts.
AT
CL500
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Onsite fabrication of taller wind
But they will benefit with cleaner air and better health.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
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Be nice now.
Wind and PV and other alternatives have a place where they make technical
and economic sense, without artificial economics (and
Kind of surprised no one commented on my submission of a couple of articles on
thorium reactors.
Rick
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One consideration that seems mostly forgotten is the environmental
impact of wind turbines AND fields of solar panels (visual, wild
life deaths, noise - yes wind turbines make noise, etc.). There are
a thousands of acres of both in the desert north of Los Angeles and
they are a blight. Not to
Andy,
I think I just did
Nobody calle me Andy and gets away with it, except for college and
pre-college friends.
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Polyvinyl as in PVC
Or premature ventricular as in PVC
Solar doesn't kill anything. Here they're putting them on old landfills...
Curt
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If that were true the ground under the turbines would be covered with dead
birds which they aren't... Not in new England anyway...
Curt
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On 13/11/2014 1:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
If that were true the ground under the turbines would be covered with dead
birds which they aren't... Not in new England anyway...
Curt
Do you see fat Foxes etc around?
RB
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Good point, although it is alleged that predators eat them quickly.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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If that were true the ground under the turbines would be covered with dead
birds which they aren't... Not in new England anyway...
Hilarious.
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Curly McLain via Mercedes
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Andy,
I think I just did
Nobody calle me Andy and gets away with it, except for college and
pre-college friends.
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On November 13, 2014 at 2:01 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
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If that were true the ground under the turbines would be covered with dead
birds which they aren't... Not in new England anyway...
Is the ground covered with feral cats, foxes, racoons, coyotes, and
On November 13, 2014 at 11:23 AM G Mann via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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Imagine the effect of only one EMP delivered at high altitude over the East
Coast.
http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Angel-Complete-Jessica-Alba/dp/B00152R4VK
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Regarding cleaner air and better health, replacing coal power plants with
natural gas is a huge step forward. I just finished listening to a podcast
interview of Gregory Zuckerman about his book The Frackers: The Outrageous
Inside Story of the New Billionaire Wildcatters.
Zuckerman proposed that
Producing beer consumes about 20 times more water than fracking. We can
argue about best use of water all day long.
Tremors (very small earthquakes) are associated with re-injecting the
contaminated water deep under ground, NOT with fracking. Changes in
methods for dealing with the contaminated
Worse than coal plants? Worse than cell phone towers? Worse than strip mines?
Sounds like NIMBY to me.
Curt
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WHAT? MORE regulations? ;-)
Some of those Tremors are cracking foundations and brick walls here (I'd
say we are averaging 8 - 10 per day, though we're at 20 today). No, they
are not bring down tall buildings (or even small ones) or bridges, but
there is damage to private property, that the
Energy grids need to be dismantled.
We gotta git ingenious about energy use and production.
Not all of us need energy.
Billions of planet dwellers have lived without energy - we can do that
again and put ifone in its place.
Think outside the box, not like the politically challenged.
mao
My son just spent two years doing that in Malawi - he does not recommend it
as a way of life. Yes, it can be done in a benign climate, but no, it's not
fun. Want a hot meal? Start by lighting the charcoal. Want a cup of coffee
or tea? Start by lighting the charcoal . . .
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at
big blades whack a LOT of birds,
Fresh meat. Or compost. Whatever it takes!
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Outdoor cats do a lot more damage to birds than windmills, I imagine...
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 8:41 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
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big blades whack a LOT of birds,
Fresh meat. Or compost. Whatever it takes!
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:25:37 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
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I find thjis fascinating. Potentially solves the problem of
transporting those humongous towers to wind farm sites.
http://phys.org/news/2014-11-on-site-fabrication-taller-turbines-feasible.html
They claim that wind energy in the mid-west is on parity with natural gas
generated electricity now, and could be elsewhere with the taller towers.
However, my electricity supplier (OGE) still charges a premium to sign
up for wind generated electricity. They (OGE) are claiming that wind is
saving
Yeah, wind energy is awesome.
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:25:37 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
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I find thjis fascinating. Potentially solves the problem of
transporting those
Maybe more expensive now, but in the future should be at par or cheaper
with fossil fuel power.
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Yeah, wind energy is awesome.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 12:57 PM, Craig via Mercedes
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Congress needs to pass legisation that mandates winds to blow 24/7/365.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Craig via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:07:29 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
They claim that wind energy in the mid-west is on parity with natural
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:09:26 -0500 Andrew Strasfogel
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Maybe more expensive now, but in the future should be at par or cheaper
with fossil fuel power.
But you have to figure in the cost of a standby system to take up the
slack when the wind stops blowing ...
Craig
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:07:29 -0600 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
HOWEVER, whenever the wind stops, something will have to supply the
energy that wind was, or the grid will collapse and everyone will be in
the
FYI - my quoted costs are total - all taxes, etc., divided by the kWHs used.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 1:30 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:
These are additions to the basic rate. My last bill came to $0.1266 per
kWH, I would add $0.0035 per kWh for 100% wind, for a total of $0.1301
per
Texas has a fairly large installed wind capacity. Trouble is that it is
way out in West Texas where the wind blows, kinda far from the loads.
Texas is also almost isolated from the national grid. 5 or 6 years ago
on New Years Day (I think, might have been NY Eve) the wind machines
were
They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load
fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power.
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes
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Texas has a fairly large installed wind capacity.
Strictly from the engineering point of view.. we have failed to harness the
intestinal gas coming out of Washington, to drive wind turbines.. Unlike
natural wind the special political gas wind is endless and does blow
24/7/365. If we just focused on this improved source, wind generated
electricity
In Texas they call that gas.
Texas has the largest installed base of wind though, which is something
given the state's reputation for the all bidness.
--R
On 11/12/14 4:11 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out
load fluctioon
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:35:10 -0700 G Mann via Mercedes
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Mercedes content: If I put a Mercedes star on my ice boat, will it go
faster?
Sure, just like Wilton's trailer can carry more with its star.
Craig
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The wind farm at Banning Beaumont, CA. for example has been in operation
since that era.. and to my knowledge has yet to return a profit to
investors... except for federal grants which funded it to start with.. it
would have
The local utility (TECO) has fought solar for years, which is stupid because in
our area it almost makes sense. They recently bowed to pressure from many
sides and now offer some credits, but they are very limited and are tough to
get. There is effectively a lottery for them every year and if
As long as the towers are at least 1000 miles away form MY home
Yeah, wind energy is awesome.
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I find
Only when the wind blows
As for cost: every MW of wind has to have a MW of real generator
sitting somewhere for energy when the wind don't blow.
Maybe more expensive now, but in the future should be at par or cheaper
with fossil fuel power.
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We gotta dump the idea of 24/7 energy.
Use it when it is there, figure it out when it is not.
That takes ingenuity.
24/7 takes no ingenuity.
Centralized power distro is stupid.
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They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load
fluctioon caused by intermittency of wind and, to some extent, solar power.
But the fact remains that you want the towers 1000 miles away. Even
if there were storage, it costs money and energy to move the MW to
your
Do tell more. What are these storage technologies and who is developing
them?
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They are rapidly developing ways to store energy that will smooth out load
fluctioon caused by intermittency of
Batteries, molten salt, and ice. Compressed air some day.
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Do tell more. What are these storage technologies and who is developing
them?
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I've followed all those possible storage modalities and I don't see great
progress with them.
A battery bank capable of supplying 20 Megawatt power to power a small city
would consume days of wind energy to produce electricity to store... you
enter the land of diminishing return quickly.
Molten
I've followed all those possible storage modalities and I don't see great
progress with them.
all in the realm of the perpetual motion machine, or the alchemist
turning water or lead into gold.
But! Wait! There more! Algore turns lies into money. That works!
This is the answer to the US electrical needs of the future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_fluoride_thorium_reactor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power
One of the option out west, were there are big rivers and some dams, the excess
wind power sucks water back up the dam and stuffs it into the water hole it
just came out of. THe electrons were not going to get to go on the grid
anyway, and the little fishies get to play in the water for a few
Back when wind was big the first time due to tax subsidies (MEOW as Jimmuh
called it), I was tasked to study something called a superconducting magnetic
energy storage system. This is basically a large supercooled metal donut into
which electrical energy is injected, then it keeps flowing until
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