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Then let me suggest the use of a brass hammer. My father was cut quite badly many years ago when a bearing he was trying to remove shattered. A piece of it flew accross the top of his hand and cut an artery. Randy On 30/10/2012 5:13 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Yes indeed. I learned that by watching a mechanic do it years ago. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: ...and of course the best tool to drive the new bearing race in is the old bearing race!!! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Reminds me: Summer of '79, I was building a house near Goldsboro, NC; as I was pulling into driveway at the site one afternoon, a mason was kneeling down in the front yard chipping on a tile flue liner, and as I eased to a stop near him blood suddenly started spurting from an artery in his neck (flying piece of tile had cut him). 'Took 2 or 3 spurts for him to realize it was HIS blood spurting onto his work, and he dropped his tools to grab his neck to plug the dike. I jumped out of my truck and ran to 'im to try to stop the flow by pressing my hankie to the hole, while yelling very loudly to his sons up on the roof. Two sons rushed to us and hurried him off to emergency room, one driving, other holding my hankie against the wound. Mason survived, and was back on job next day. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings... Then let me suggest the use of a brass hammer. My father was cut quite badly many years ago when a bearing he was trying to remove shattered. A piece of it flew accross the top of his hand and cut an artery. Randy On 30/10/2012 5:13 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Yes indeed. I learned that by watching a mechanic do it years ago. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: ...and of course the best tool to drive the new bearing race in is the old bearing race!!! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Bearing or race? With non-sealed bearings the bearing should just fall out, the race is a different story. When I'm removing the race the hub is set on 2 (sometimes 4) 2x6 blocks and I'm hitting down through the hub, it would be awfully unlikely for pieces, should the race somehow shatter, to get to me. Once on my '85 190D after bearing failure I couldn't get the inner race out. I ended up running beads of weld perpendicular to the diameter of the race. When I ran the fourth bead the race popped right out. -Curt Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:44:34 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings... Message-ID: 50914762.5070...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Then let me suggest the use of a brass hammer. My father was cut quite badly many years ago when a bearing he was trying to remove shattered. A piece of it flew accross the top of his hand and cut an artery. Randy On 30/10/2012 5:13 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Yes indeed. I learned that by watching a mechanic do it years ago. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: ...and of course the best tool to drive the new bearing race in is the old bearing race!!! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 60g of grease is much more than I thought it would be ... So 60 g is the correct number? That's what I recalled, but I couldn't verify it in my manuals. Took it for a ride and the noise is GONE. ATTABOY!!! I tossed it over to Q, I've got a spare set of bearings now, I should have a spare seal to go with them. All set for next time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Did u get the $10 scale at horror fright? I always found that pounding out the races is the worst part of this job. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Started hearing that familiar rumble on my '78 240D the other day and knew the time had come for wheel bearings. Got 'em at my local Car Quest Friday with the intention of doing them Saturday (which is why I didn't get them from Q). Saturday came and I had no energy, instead I used my new scale to pre-weigh the grease into little plastic containers from the Chinese takeout. Worked sweet BTW. Today I finally dug in, guessed the driver's side was the immediate culprit, and it appears I was right. Much more play in the outer bearing than in its replacement, a little more wear and the rollers would fall clean out. Guess I waited a little too long for this job. I *think* I did the other side a year or two ago. Anyway the strange part of the whole thing was that the seals I'd gotten are WAY too small, probably 1/4 smaller than the inner bearing itself. Fortunately I'd gotten lucky and didn't damage the existing seal and got it back together with that. W123 bearings are easier to setup with my dial caliper than W201 owing to a larger hub. 60g of grease is much more than I thought it would be, I'd actually weighed out 60.5g as I figured I'd have some wastage which I did in figuring out which way the seal went on. Took it for a ride and the noise is GONE. The guy at Car Quest tried 3 different methods for looking up the seal and came up with only that one part number. I tossed it over to Q, I've got a spare set of bearings now, I should have a spare seal to go with them. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I found a 1x 8 hexagonal piece of brass bar stock that I use for bearing races. If I keep the end nice and square the points work very well for getting into the relief in the hub and driving out the race. I have another similarly sized round piece for putting them back in. Makes them a breeze, front or rear. Mike On Oct 30, 2012 12:59 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Did u get the $10 scale at horror fright? I always found that pounding out the races is the worst part of this job. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Started hearing that familiar rumble on my '78 240D the other day and knew the time had come for wheel bearings. Got 'em at my local Car Quest Friday with the intention of doing them Saturday (which is why I didn't get them from Q). Saturday came and I had no energy, instead I used my new scale to pre-weigh the grease into little plastic containers from the Chinese takeout. Worked sweet BTW. Today I finally dug in, guessed the driver's side was the immediate culprit, and it appears I was right. Much more play in the outer bearing than in its replacement, a little more wear and the rollers would fall clean out. Guess I waited a little too long for this job. I *think* I did the other side a year or two ago. Anyway the strange part of the whole thing was that the seals I'd gotten are WAY too small, probably 1/4 smaller than the inner bearing itself. Fortunately I'd gotten lucky and didn't damage the existing seal and got it back together with that. W123 bearings are easier to setup with my dial caliper than W201 owing to a larger hub. 60g of grease is much more than I thought it would be, I'd actually weighed out 60.5g as I figured I'd have some wastage which I did in figuring out which way the seal went on. Took it for a ride and the noise is GONE. The guy at Car Quest tried 3 different methods for looking up the seal and came up with only that one part number. I tossed it over to Q, I've got a spare set of bearings now, I should have a spare seal to go with them. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Agreed, and if you can't find a piece of brass bar stock, a piece of brass pipe also works well. Hexagon shapes would probably work better but I've never seen any around here. Gerry From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com I found a 1x 8 hexagonal piece of brass bar stock that I use for bearing races. If I keep the end nice and square the points work very well for getting into the relief in the hub and driving out the race. I have another similarly sized round piece for putting them back in. Makes them a breeze, front or rear. Mike On Oct 30, 2012 12:59 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Did u get the $10 scale at horror fright? I always found that pounding out the races is the worst part of this job. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:24 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Started hearing that familiar rumble on my '78 240D the other day and knew the time had come for wheel bearings. Got 'em at my local Car Quest Friday with the intention of doing them Saturday (which is why I didn't get them from Q). Saturday came and I had no energy, instead I used my new scale to pre-weigh the grease into little plastic containers from the Chinese takeout. Worked sweet BTW. Today I finally dug in, guessed the driver's side was the immediate culprit, and it appears I was right. Much more play in the outer bearing than in its replacement, a little more wear and the rollers would fall clean out. Guess I waited a little too long for this job. I *think* I did the other side a year or two ago. Anyway the strange part of the whole thing was that the seals I'd gotten are WAY too small, probably 1/4 smaller than the inner bearing itself. Fortunately I'd gotten lucky and didn't damage the existing seal and got it back together with that. W123 bearings are easier to setup with my dial caliper than W201 owing to a larger hub. 60g of grease is much more than I thought it would be, I'd actually weighed out 60.5g as I figured I'd have some wastage which I did in figuring out which way the seal went on. Took it for a ride and the noise is GONE. The guy at Car Quest tried 3 different methods for looking up the seal and came up with only that one part number. I tossed it over to Q, I've got a spare set of bearings now, I should have a spare seal to go with them. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5362 - Release Date: 10/29/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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60g was what I remembered too, the MB tubes are 150g and I remembered having enough for 2 wheels plus a bit so it all worked out. The stuff I removed was green like the MB stuff but some brown also, presumably thats what the MB stuff breaks down into. I used Mobil 1 which is pinkish red. -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:50:49 -0600 From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings... Message-ID: 20121030105049.2f6850ccadf3820b17390...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 30 Oct 2012 09:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: 60g of grease is much more than I thought it would be ... So 60 g is the correct number? That's what I recalled, but I couldn't verify it in my manuals. Took it for a ride and the noise is GONE. ATTABOY!!! I tossed it over to Q, I've got a spare set of bearings now, I should have a spare seal to go with them. All set for next time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have a huge iron punch of some sort I found in the remains of my great grandfather's blacksmith shop. Its long, its heavy and combined with a 3# hammer it took the races out no sweat. -Curt Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 13:30:31 -0400 From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings... Message-ID: calhj_1bjw-yfdgk18p5kcfem42+aknbzmtf5oc2qydm17iq...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I found a 1x 8 hexagonal piece of brass bar stock that I use for bearing races. If I keep the end nice and square the points work very well for getting into the relief in the hub and driving out the race. I have another similarly sized round piece for putting them back in. Makes them a breeze, front or rear. Mike On Oct 30, 2012 12:59 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Did u get the $10 scale at horror fright? I always found that pounding out the races is the worst part of this job. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 30/10/2012 1:46 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Agreed, and if you can't find a piece of brass bar stock, a piece of brass pipe also works well. Hexagon shapes would probably work better but I've never seen any around here. Gerry From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com I found a 1x 8 hexagonal piece of brass bar stock that I use for bearing races. If I keep the end nice and square the points work very well for getting into the relief in the hub and driving out the race. I have another similarly sized round piece for putting them back in. Makes them a breeze, front or rear. Or, have a look at some place like HF or F and F or ??? for brass punches. I know I am able to get them here at our local equivalent of those kind of store for a reasonable price. And, I trust we all know why we want a brass punch. If you don't know and are afraid to ask, it is because bearings tend to be real hard and shatter if one pounds on them with something hard. So, the soft brass will budge them without breaking them. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have had two pieces of 5/8 brass rod stock for years. One is just mushroomed on the end from being beaten, the other I grind to an edge for knocking out bearing races and such. Best tools I have in my box - you can put them on just about anything and go to town without worrying about chipping or breaking things. Dan On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 30/10/2012 1:46 PM, Gerry Archer wrote: Agreed, and if you can't find a piece of brass bar stock, a piece of brass pipe also works well. Hexagon shapes would probably work better but I've never seen any around here. Gerry From: Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com I found a 1x 8 hexagonal piece of brass bar stock that I use for bearing races. If I keep the end nice and square the points work very well for getting into the relief in the hub and driving out the race. I have another similarly sized round piece for putting them back in. Makes them a breeze, front or rear. Or, have a look at some place like HF or F and F or ??? for brass punches. I know I am able to get them here at our local equivalent of those kind of store for a reasonable price. And, I trust we all know why we want a brass punch. If you don't know and are afraid to ask, it is because bearings tend to be real hard and shatter if one pounds on them with something hard. So, the soft brass will budge them without breaking them. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you are pounding on a bearing race anywhere near hard enough to break it upon installation you aren't doing something right. I don't worry too much about what the old ones get beat out with. Steel punch works fine and saves on the good brass ones for the really tough ones. I have never beaten on a race hard enough to break it and I have done some that ended up having to be cut out by slicing with a plasma torch. Mike On Oct 30, 2012 5:49 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Last time I did this I took the new bearings and hubs to the local machine shop and the pressed out the old, pressed in the new for a grand total of $10-. Now I have my own hydraulic press. I'm not big on pounding bearings either! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings... Did u get the $10 scale at horror fright? I always found that pounding out the races is the worst part of this job. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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...and of course the best tool to drive the new bearing race in is the old bearing race!!! Dan On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: If you are pounding on a bearing race anywhere near hard enough to break it upon installation you aren't doing something right. I don't worry too much about what the old ones get beat out with. Steel punch works fine and saves on the good brass ones for the really tough ones. I have never beaten on a race hard enough to break it and I have done some that ended up having to be cut out by slicing with a plasma torch. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes indeed. I learned that by watching a mechanic do it years ago. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: ...and of course the best tool to drive the new bearing race in is the old bearing race!!! Dan On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: If you are pounding on a bearing race anywhere near hard enough to break it upon installation you aren't doing something right. I don't worry too much about what the old ones get beat out with. Steel punch works fine and saves on the good brass ones for the really tough ones. I have never beaten on a race hard enough to break it and I have done some that ended up having to be cut out by slicing with a plasma torch. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or a nice little brass hammer... Mike On Oct 30, 2012 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: ...and of course the best tool to drive the new bearing race in is the old bearing race!!! Dan On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: If you are pounding on a bearing race anywhere near hard enough to break it upon installation you aren't doing something right. I don't worry too much about what the old ones get beat out with. Steel punch works fine and saves on the good brass ones for the really tough ones. I have never beaten on a race hard enough to break it and I have done some that ended up having to be cut out by slicing with a plasma torch. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What's nice about using the old race is that you end up seating it uniformly in the hub. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Or a nice little brass hammer... Mike On Oct 30, 2012 6:09 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: ...and of course the best tool to drive the new bearing race in is the old bearing race!!! Dan On Oct 30, 2012, at 6:04 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: If you are pounding on a bearing race anywhere near hard enough to break it upon installation you aren't doing something right. I don't worry too much about what the old ones get beat out with. Steel punch works fine and saves on the good brass ones for the really tough ones. I have never beaten on a race hard enough to break it and I have done some that ended up having to be cut out by slicing with a plasma torch. Mike ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have an old worn bearing/gear shaft from some English transmission that has a nice notch on one end that I use to knock out races. I use a 16 oz. hammer - never had one break. I do rotate around the race quite a bit so no one side gets too much pressure. I also have a bunch of larger sockets, and usually one will be about right for driving in the new race. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.comwrote: If you are pounding on a bearing race anywhere near hard enough to break it upon installation you aren't doing something right. I don't worry too much about what the old ones get beat out with. Steel punch works fine and saves on the good brass ones for the really tough ones. I have never beaten on a race hard enough to break it and I have done some that ended up having to be cut out by slicing with a plasma torch. Mike On Oct 30, 2012 5:49 PM, Greg Fiorentino gf...@dslnorthwest.net wrote: Last time I did this I took the new bearings and hubs to the local machine shop and the pressed out the old, pressed in the new for a grand total of $10-. Now I have my own hydraulic press. I'm not big on pounding bearings either! Greg -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dimitri Seretakis Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:59 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings... Did u get the $10 scale at horror fright? I always found that pounding out the races is the worst part of this job. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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It's still a fine red hair either way... -- John W Reames jwrea...@comcast.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jan 9, 2011, at 10:22, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:16:24 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: 0.01 to 0.02 mm is the factory specification; which converts to 0.4 inches to 0.8 inches. Now this has the decimal point error the other way. It should be 0.0004 to 0.0008. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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0.01 to 0.02 mm is the factory specification; which converts to 0.4 inches to 0.8 inches. Procedure 33-0300 in the FSM. The W201 service manual is available online from MBUSA; I don't have the link on this computer, but I found it while surfing around the startek website under their list of literature. When I get back to my work PC I'll try to remember to post that link. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 11:29 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Hey all, I *think* the right wheel bearing my 190D is loose. I've bought a dial indicator and magnetic base and want to use it to prove the proper tightness. IIRC the correct number is something like .006 but how exactly do I do it? Stick the base on the rotor, point the indicator at the spindle and wiggle? Thanks Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:16:24 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: 0.01 to 0.02 mm is the factory specification; which converts to 0.4 inches to 0.8 inches. Now this has the decimal point error the other way. It should be 0.0004 to 0.0008. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Thanks Craig - I thought that looked wrong as well, should have double checked my math. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Craig Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 10:23 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings On Sun, 9 Jan 2011 10:16:24 -0500 Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: 0.01 to 0.02 mm is the factory specification; which converts to 0.4 inches to 0.8 inches. Now this has the decimal point error the other way. It should be 0.0004 to 0.0008. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Here's the promised link to the 201 FSM on-line: http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/11832/?requestedDocId=11832 -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Max Dillon Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 10:16 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings 0.01 to 0.02 mm is the factory specification; which converts to 0.4 inches to 0.8 inches. Procedure 33-0300 in the FSM. The W201 service manual is available online from MBUSA; I don't have the link on this computer, but I found it while surfing around the startek website under their list of literature. When I get back to my work PC I'll try to remember to post that link. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 11:29 AM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Hey all, I *think* the right wheel bearing my 190D is loose. I've bought a dial indicator and magnetic base and want to use it to prove the proper tightness. IIRC the correct number is something like .006 but how exactly do I do it? Stick the base on the rotor, point the indicator at the spindle and wiggle? Thanks Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net writes: Curt Raymond wrote: Digging further he asked again a year later ;) and got: 0.01 - 0.02 mm (0.004 - 0.008 inch) BZZT, WRONG. Mind your decimals. These bearings are supposed to be tight. 0.01 / 25.4 0.0004. 0.006 is easily discernible motion. 0.0006 feels totally unyielding to the hand. The least I can feel is about 0.002-0.003 That's right, on a typical dial indicator graduated in thousandths, I set the play to be about half of one segment on the dial, or maybe a little less. It's an estimate, but a dial indicator that read ten-thousandths (or hundredths of mm) was not something I felt was worth the cost. I found that even tightening the allen-head screw to lock the nut in place changed the play by a few thousandths. So what I had to to was get it just slightly too loose (something closer to .001), then when I locked the nut in place it ended up being correct. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes: I found that even tightening the allen-head screw to lock the nut in place changed the play by a few thousandths. Err.. I mean a few ten-thousandths. So what I had to to was get it just slightly too loose (something closer to .001), then when I locked the nut in place it ended up being correct. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have had success tightening the bearing until I can feel the resistance to spinning the tire increase. Then I loosen it 1/3 turn for general use, or 1/4 turn if I want it tight. I never had a .0001 dial indicator, so I can't tell you if it on the spec for sure. I can say that it is tight enough the steering does not wander, and loose enough so that the bearings don't overheat and burn out. I have probably a cumulative million miles on MBs done this way. I have never had a bearing failure. If the thread pitch is 1mm, 1/4 turnlosens the bearing and then you get maybe 1/8 mm of free play. .040/8 would be .005, which is too much (by a factor of 10) by the book. Perhaps most of the 1/4 turn relieves the stress on the bearing and I end up with the correct .0006. This only way to check for sure is to get a very accurate dial indicator and try to get a reading. If you were doing serious track competition, it should be measured. For my use, this works fine. When you are out in the field it is not possible to check this by the book so it is good to know there is a by feel method that works. Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu writes: I found that even tightening the allen-head screw to lock the nut in place changed the play by a few thousandths. Err.. I mean a few ten-thousandths. So what I had to to was get it just slightly too loose (something closer to .001), then when I locked the nut in place it ended up being correct. -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Excellent, looks like what I was planning, the pin of the indicator points to the nut (for lack of a better term)? Is that a Harbor Freight dial indicator and base? Looks like the one I bought. Whats the spec, did I remember it right at 0.006? -Curt --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 12:32 PM On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:29:15 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey all, I *think* the right wheel bearing my 190D is loose. I've bought a dial indicator and magnetic base and want to use it to prove the proper tightness. IIRC the correct number is something like .006 but how exactly do I do it? Stick the base on the rotor, point the indicator at the spindle and wiggle? As in the attached picture. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Taking my own advice *blush* and checking the archives, I found a note from Allen asking this a couple years ago. He got 2 responses: Half a thousandth. 0005 and 0.001 Digging further he asked again a year later ;) and got: 0.01 - 0.02 mm (0.004 - 0.008 inch) I did mind a Marshall comment in there but it was just chiding somebody for not using a dial indicator, he didn't give an actual number. Anyway, looks like my memory of 0.006 is good enough. I'm off to give it a shot! -Curt --- On Fri, 1/7/11, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: From: Craig diese...@pisquared.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, January 7, 2011, 12:32 PM On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:29:15 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey all, I *think* the right wheel bearing my 190D is loose. I've bought a dial indicator and magnetic base and want to use it to prove the proper tightness. IIRC the correct number is something like .006 but how exactly do I do it? Stick the base on the rotor, point the indicator at the spindle and wiggle? As in the attached picture. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt Raymond wrote: Digging further he asked again a year later ;) and got: 0.01 - 0.02 mm (0.004 - 0.008 inch) BZZT, WRONG. Mind your decimals. These bearings are supposed to be tight. 0.01 / 25.4 0.0004. 0.006 is easily discernible motion. 0.0006 feels totally unyielding to the hand. The least I can feel is about 0.002-0.003 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:29:15 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey all, I *think* the right wheel bearing my 190D is loose. I've bought a dial indicator and magnetic base and want to use it to prove the proper tightness. IIRC the correct number is something like .006 but how exactly do I do it? Stick the base on the rotor, point the indicator at the spindle and wiggle? As in the attached picture. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: setting.wheel.bearings.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 174685 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20110107/9fc1a52a/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Whoops, missed copy.. -Curt Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 15:05:46 -0500 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Message-ID: 4d27721a.80...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Curt Raymond wrote: Digging further he asked again a year later ;) and got: 0.01 - 0.02 mm (0.004 - 0.008 inch) BZZT, WRONG. Mind your decimals. These bearings are supposed to be tight. 0.01 / 25.4 0.0004. 0.006 is easily discernible motion. 0.0006 feels totally unyielding to the hand. The least I can feel is about 0.002-0.003 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Inches or mm? Scott Ritchey 1982 300SD 230k mi -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 11:29 To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Hey all, I *think* the right wheel bearing my 190D is loose. I've bought a dial indicator and magnetic base and want to use it to prove the proper tightness. IIRC the correct number is something like .006 but how exactly do I do it? Stick the base on the rotor, point the indicator at the spindle and wiggle? Thanks Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Unnecessary tool, somthig else for the garage elves to hide. I just use the palm of my hand, assuming I can find it. -- Pete Arnold This e-mail from Peter Arnold and any attachments to it are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be uncensored. If you have received it in error please consult your religious adviser. If you are not the intended recipient, why have you read this far? Please do not staple, spindle or otherwise mutilate this document, doing so may damage your screen. All communications may be subject to interception or monitoring by the men in black helicopters for security purposes. Please rely on your own swine flu virus checking as the sender cannot accept any liability for any damage arising from any bug or virus infection. Allan Streib wrote: Anyone use those bearing packers that are sold at Sears and FLAPS? Sort of a cone-shaped contraption that has two halves, I never was quite sure how they worked. I assume ou put the bearing on the cone, fill the other half with grease, and squeeze them together... or does it work with a grease gun, somehow? Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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They work with a grease gun, typically. The problem this introduces is having enough grease to load the gun, if you're thinking MB front wheel bearings. Not to mention the MB grease comes in a tube, and not the type that loads in a grease gun. They are very, very handy when you need them, but not practical if you're doing MB wheel bearings as they should be done. Dan --- On Fri, 5/15/09, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Friday, May 15, 2009, 10:25 PM Anyone use those bearing packers that are sold at Sears and FLAPS? Sort of a cone-shaped contraption that has two halves, I never was quite sure how they worked. I assume ou put the bearing on the cone, fill the other half with grease, and squeeze them together... or does it work with a grease gun, somehow? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Ed, At the dealerships where I worked, we always used kerosene and a soft brush. IMO spinning the bearings dry causes a problem due to the heat created. Wiping them with a soft cloth works better anyway. At home I use diesel fuel in a pan - it breaks the grease down pretty quickly. When repacking the bearings make sure to work the grease into the bearing cages as thoroughly as possible. The good thing about buying the tube of grase from MB is it's exactly enough to do 2 wheels - fold the tube in half to divide the portions if a scale isn't available. The WSM tells how much to put in the inner and outer brg as well as the qty that goes into the bearings cap I can try to look it up if you don't have the info handy - Take care - LarryT https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested! - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings What's the best way to clean out all the old grease and goop? I've read to be careful not to used compressed air to try the bearings, as it will spin them dry, without grease, and can damage them. Not sure if that's going a little overboard, as there's really no load on them, but then again, I'm no expert when it comes to bearing. ;-) Ed 300E 2009/5/14 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Re-greasing is OK, if bearings, including races, are still in good condition, and you can clean out all the old goop and be sure when you start re-greasing that the bearings are CLEAN and DRY. The grease must then be pressed in a little bit at a time with heal of the hand 'til it squeezes/oozes out the other side of the bearing. Put a dollop of grease on the heal of hand (I prefer left hand); grasp bearing with fingers of other hand and press the free side of the bearing (side opposite the fingers) onto the EDGE of the dollop of grease and down onto the heal of the hand, pressing a small amount of grease into the bearing. Turn the bearing in your fingers a bit and repeat the pressing operation; repeat the turning and pressing operation 'til grease oozes sufficiently out the topside (side opposite the heal of your hand). Once grease is oozing from ALL the little cracks/openings, it's done/full - no way to get any more in it - stop playing with it. Others may have a procedure that works equally well, but this USAF aircraft mechanic procedure works(ed) well for me. 'Haven't needed it in a LONG time, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Which of course made me check... Sonofa... There are races. They're shrink wrapped in with the bearings so I didn't see 'em before. I remember also that on the 240D I didn't replace the bearings I just re-greased them. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:16:46 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090514191646.57a107c9.diese...@cnsp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/6f37e96d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090515/b97f5962/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go
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Many years ago, I was trained NOT to Clean out the old grease from bearings when servicing them. • If the grease is dirty, the bearings are junk, replace them. • Wipe them off with a lint free cloth so you can give them a visual inspection. • If the grease is simply old, it is serviceable. Simply repack with fresh grease. • Cleaning tapered or roller bearings inevitably leaves them dirty unless you have very sophisticated equipment. This has served me well for 30 years, I've never lost a bearing that I have been charged to maintain. YMMV -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:01:02 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings What's the best way to clean out all the old grease and goop? I've read to be careful not to used compressed air to try the bearings, as it will spin them dry, without grease, and can damage them. Not sure if that's going a little overboard, as there's really no load on them, but then again, I'm no expert when it comes to bearing. ;-) Ed 300E 2009/5/14 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Re-greasing is OK, if bearings, including races, are still in good condition, and you can clean out all the old goop and be sure when you start re-greasing that the bearings are CLEAN and DRY. The grease must then be pressed in a little bit at a time with heal of the hand 'til it squeezes/oozes out the other side of the bearing. Put a dollop of grease on the heal of hand (I prefer left hand); grasp bearing with fingers of other hand and press the free side of the bearing (side opposite the fingers) onto the EDGE of the dollop of grease and down onto the heal of the hand, pressing a small amount of grease into the bearing. Turn the bearing in your fingers a bit and repeat the pressing operation; repeat the turning and pressing operation 'til grease oozes sufficiently out the topside (side opposite the heal of your hand). Once grease is oozing from ALL the little cracks/openings, it's done/full - no way to get any more in it - stop playing with it. Others may have a procedure that works equally well, but this USAF aircraft mechanic procedure works(ed) well for me. 'Haven't needed it in a LONG time, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Which of course made me check... Sonofa... There are races. They're shrink wrapped in with the bearings so I didn't see 'em before. I remember also that on the 240D I didn't replace the bearings I just re-greased them. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:16:46 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090514191646.57a107c9.diese...@cnsp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/6f37e96d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090515/b97f5962/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090515/544009e8/attachment.html ___ http
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Which is what I did and seems to have been fine for about 4,000 miles now. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 22:52:29 -0400 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d03aba6d70d24c818dde033837f18...@wiltonpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Re-greasing is OK, if bearings, including races, are still in good condition, and you can clean out all the old goop and be sure when you start re-greasing that the bearings are CLEAN and DRY. The grease must then be pressed in a little bit at a time with heal of the hand 'til it squeezes/oozes out the other side of the bearing. Put a dollop of grease on the heal of hand (I prefer left hand); grasp bearing with fingers of other hand and press the free side of the bearing (side opposite the fingers) onto the EDGE of the dollop of grease and down onto the heal of the hand, pressing a small amount of grease into the bearing. Turn the bearing in your fingers a bit and repeat the pressing operation; repeat the turning and pressing operation 'til grease oozes sufficiently out the topside (side opposite the heal of your hand). Once grease is oozing from ALL the little cracks/openings, it's done/full - no way to get any more in it - stop playing with it. Others may have a procedure that works equally well, but this USAF aircraft mechanic procedure works(ed) well for me. 'Haven't needed it in a LONG time, though. Wilton -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090515/f1cc77ac/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What's the best way to clean out all the old grease and goop? I've read to be careful not to used compressed air to try the bearings, as it will spin them dry, without grease, and can damage them. So I hear. I use compressed air, gently, but I hold the thing so nothing can spin. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, 15 May 2009 06:19:01 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: What's the best way to clean out all the old grease and goop? I've read to be careful not to used compressed air to try the bearings, as it will spin them dry, without grease, and can damage them. So I hear. I use compressed air, gently, but I hold the thing so nothing can spin. Yes, it's the spinning of a dry bearing that's the problem. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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When I bought last fall it came in a tube not unlike the one my wife's shampoo comes in, kind of like a big toothpaste tube and had something like 2.5 wheels worth of grease. I'm thinking for this time I'm going to try to scare up a scale and do it right... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:30:52 -0400 From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 5512c28dfb174eedaee520cde0196...@larrypc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hi Ed, At the dealerships where I worked, we always used kerosene and a soft brush. IMO spinning the bearings dry causes a problem due to the heat created. Wiping them with a soft cloth works better anyway. At home I use diesel fuel in a pan - it breaks the grease down pretty quickly. When repacking the bearings make sure to work the grease into the bearing cages as thoroughly as possible. The good thing about buying the tube of grase from MB is it's exactly enough to do 2 wheels - fold the tube in half to divide the portions if a scale isn't available. The WSM tells how much to put in the inner and outer brg as well as the qty that goes into the bearings cap I can try to look it up if you don't have the info handy - Take care - LarryT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090515/e95b242b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The problem is MB specifies a charge of grease by weight. If you don't get all the old grease out how do you know how much you've gotten in? The other issue is in making sure you're using a compatible grease. If you always do your own bearings then its pretty easy... I think on my 240D somebody had done them from a grease gun, the stuff in there was sludgy brown. I used MB grease which is really nice stuff to work with. I don't have enough left to do both wheels so I think I'm going to give Mobil 1 a try, I'll get a scale so I can be pretty well assured I've got the right amount but having done it I'm also pretty sure you could go over without causing too many hassles... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:44:05 + (UTC) From: pm7...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1270347674.9931061242391445825.javamail.r...@sz0127a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Many years ago, I was trained NOT to Clean out the old grease from bearings when servicing them. ? If the grease is dirty, the bearings are junk, replace them. ? Wipe them off with a lint free cloth so you can give them a visual inspection. ? If the grease is simply old, it is serviceable. Simply repack with fresh grease. ? Cleaning tapered or roller bearings inevitably leaves them dirty unless you have very sophisticated equipment. This has served me well for 30 years, I've never lost a bearing that I have been charged to maintain. YMMV -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090515/d6f771de/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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'Don't have to make 'em spin or spin so much as to over heat them, etc. Use short careful bursts, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings What's the best way to clean out all the old grease and goop? I've read to be careful not to used compressed air to try the bearings, as it will spin them dry, without grease, and can damage them. Not sure if that's going a little overboard, as there's really no load on them, but then again, I'm no expert when it comes to bearing. ;-) Ed 300E 2009/5/14 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Re-greasing is OK, if bearings, including races, are still in good condition, and you can clean out all the old goop and be sure when you start re-greasing that the bearings are CLEAN and DRY. The grease must then be pressed in a little bit at a time with heal of the hand 'til it squeezes/oozes out the other side of the bearing. Put a dollop of grease on the heal of hand (I prefer left hand); grasp bearing with fingers of other hand and press the free side of the bearing (side opposite the fingers) onto the EDGE of the dollop of grease and down onto the heal of the hand, pressing a small amount of grease into the bearing. Turn the bearing in your fingers a bit and repeat the pressing operation; repeat the turning and pressing operation 'til grease oozes sufficiently out the topside (side opposite the heal of your hand). Once grease is oozing from ALL the little cracks/openings, it's done/full - no way to get any more in it - stop playing with it. Others may have a procedure that works equally well, but this USAF aircraft mechanic procedure works(ed) well for me. 'Haven't needed it in a LONG time, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Which of course made me check... Sonofa... There are races. They're shrink wrapped in with the bearings so I didn't see 'em before. I remember also that on the 240D I didn't replace the bearings I just re-greased them. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:16:46 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090514191646.57a107c9.diese...@cnsp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/6f37e96d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090515/b97f5962/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, as the new grease goes in, it pushes the old grease out. Wilton - Original Message - From: pm7...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Many years ago, I was trained NOT to Clean out the old grease from bearings when servicing them. • If the grease is dirty, the bearings are junk, replace them. • Wipe them off with a lint free cloth so you can give them a visual inspection. • If the grease is simply old, it is serviceable. Simply repack with fresh grease. • Cleaning tapered or roller bearings inevitably leaves them dirty unless you have very sophisticated equipment. This has served me well for 30 years, I've never lost a bearing that I have been charged to maintain. YMMV -- Peter Arnold Windsor, CT - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:01:02 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings What's the best way to clean out all the old grease and goop? I've read to be careful not to used compressed air to try the bearings, as it will spin them dry, without grease, and can damage them. Not sure if that's going a little overboard, as there's really no load on them, but then again, I'm no expert when it comes to bearing. ;-) Ed 300E 2009/5/14 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Re-greasing is OK, if bearings, including races, are still in good condition, and you can clean out all the old goop and be sure when you start re-greasing that the bearings are CLEAN and DRY. The grease must then be pressed in a little bit at a time with heal of the hand 'til it squeezes/oozes out the other side of the bearing. Put a dollop of grease on the heal of hand (I prefer left hand); grasp bearing with fingers of other hand and press the free side of the bearing (side opposite the fingers) onto the EDGE of the dollop of grease and down onto the heal of the hand, pressing a small amount of grease into the bearing. Turn the bearing in your fingers a bit and repeat the pressing operation; repeat the turning and pressing operation 'til grease oozes sufficiently out the topside (side opposite the heal of your hand). Once grease is oozing from ALL the little cracks/openings, it's done/full - no way to get any more in it - stop playing with it. Others may have a procedure that works equally well, but this USAF aircraft mechanic procedure works(ed) well for me. 'Haven't needed it in a LONG time, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Which of course made me check... Sonofa... There are races. They're shrink wrapped in with the bearings so I didn't see 'em before. I remember also that on the 240D I didn't replace the bearings I just re-greased them. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:16:46 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090514191646.57a107c9.diese...@cnsp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/6f37e96d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090515/b97f5962/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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This is a use for which biodiesel is the right stuff rather than kerosene or diesel fuel. As others have said, compressed air is fine for drying, as long as you don't spin the bearings. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 5:31 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Hi Ed, At the dealerships where I worked, we always used kerosene and a soft brush. IMO spinning the bearings dry causes a problem due to the heat created. Wiping them with a soft cloth works better anyway. At home I use diesel fuel in a pan - it breaks the grease down pretty quickly. When repacking the bearings make sure to work the grease into the bearing cages as thoroughly as possible. The good thing about buying the tube of grase from MB is it's exactly enough to do 2 wheels - fold the tube in half to divide the portions if a scale isn't available. The WSM tells how much to put in the inner and outer brg as well as the qty that goes into the bearings cap I can try to look it up if you don't have the info handy - Take care - LarryT https://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/accept-membership.asp Free 1 year NRA membership to anyone interested! - Original Message - From: E M pokieba...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 12:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings What's the best way to clean out all the old grease and goop? I've read to be careful not to used compressed air to try the bearings, as it will spin them dry, without grease, and can damage them. Not sure if that's going a little overboard, as there's really no load on them, but then again, I'm no expert when it comes to bearing. ;-) Ed 300E 2009/5/14 WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Re-greasing is OK, if bearings, including races, are still in good condition, and you can clean out all the old goop and be sure when you start re-greasing that the bearings are CLEAN and DRY. The grease must then be pressed in a little bit at a time with heal of the hand 'til it squeezes/oozes out the other side of the bearing. Put a dollop of grease on the heal of hand (I prefer left hand); grasp bearing with fingers of other hand and press the free side of the bearing (side opposite the fingers) onto the EDGE of the dollop of grease and down onto the heal of the hand, pressing a small amount of grease into the bearing. Turn the bearing in your fingers a bit and repeat the pressing operation; repeat the turning and pressing operation 'til grease oozes sufficiently out the topside (side opposite the heal of your hand). Once grease is oozing from ALL the little cracks/openings, it's done/full - no way to get any more in it - stop playing with it. Others may have a procedure that works equally well, but this USAF aircraft mechanic procedure works(ed) well for me. 'Haven't needed it in a LONG time, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Which of course made me check... Sonofa... There are races. They're shrink wrapped in with the bearings so I didn't see 'em before. I remember also that on the 240D I didn't replace the bearings I just re-greased them. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:16:46 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090514191646.57a107c9.diese...@cnsp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/6f3 7e96d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo
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According to the MB engineers, the reason for the weighed charge of the special grease is that it is engineered to flow and circulate in the bearings. Too much or too little grease impedes the optimum flow. Accordingly, as long as the bearings are completely coated with the grease, I think that they don't require such care in packing. Just coat all surfaces, weigh the grease, then let the grease do its own thing. That's the way I did it and it worked fine. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Re-greasing is OK, if bearings, including races, are still in good condition, and you can clean out all the old goop and be sure when you start re-greasing that the bearings are CLEAN and DRY. The grease must then be pressed in a little bit at a time with heal of the hand 'til it squeezes/oozes out the other side of the bearing. Put a dollop of grease on the heal of hand (I prefer left hand); grasp bearing with fingers of other hand and press the free side of the bearing (side opposite the fingers) onto the EDGE of the dollop of grease and down onto the heal of the hand, pressing a small amount of grease into the bearing. Turn the bearing in your fingers a bit and repeat the pressing operation; repeat the turning and pressing operation 'til grease oozes sufficiently out the topside (side opposite the heal of your hand). Once grease is oozing from ALL the little cracks/openings, it's done/full - no way to get any more in it - stop playing with it. Others may have a procedure that works equally well, but this USAF aircraft mechanic procedure works(ed) well for me. 'Haven't needed it in a LONG time, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Which of course made me check... Sonofa... There are races. They're shrink wrapped in with the bearings so I didn't see 'em before. I remember also that on the 240D I didn't replace the bearings I just re-greased them. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:16:46 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090514191646.57a107c9.diese...@cnsp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/6f 37e96d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: Anyone use those bearing packers that are sold at Sears and FLAPS? Sort of a cone-shaped contraption that has two halves, I never was quite sure how they worked. I assume ou put the bearing on the cone, fill the other half with grease, and squeeze them together... or does it work with a grease gun, somehow? Grease gun. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Anyone use those bearing packers that are sold at Sears and FLAPS? Sort of a cone-shaped contraption that has two halves, I never was quite sure how they worked. I assume ou put the bearing on the cone, fill the other half with grease, and squeeze them together... or does it work with a grease gun, somehow? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: Anyone use those bearing packers that are sold at Sears and FLAPS? Sort of a cone-shaped contraption that has two halves, I never was quite sure how they worked. I assume ou put the bearing on the cone, fill the other half with grease, and squeeze them together... or does it work with a grease gun, somehow? If what I have is what you are thinking of, it uses a grease gun. The lower cone seals against the inside race and the upper cone seals against the carrier. Grease is then pumped through. It works. It's not as efficient with the grease as the hands-on method - and it doesn't lend its self to the toothpaste tube of MB grease. So when I was doing 8 bearing in one day, it was great. But for one now and then it's probably not worth the trouble. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How do I replace the races? Or more specifically how do I get the *$...@! old ones out? Big press? I beat on them a little last time (the outer one I think) but didn't want to damage it... How do I test bearings? Jack up the car and wiggle the wheel? Maybe they're just set loose... -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:06:52 + From: brian.tosc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1580429519-1242259570-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-5839560...@bxe1172.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain Races are replacable. If the spindles are worn you will have problems with new bearings. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:03:45 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... So the inspection report says its the front wheel bearings. My wife says he said the passenger side was the worse of them but both were bad. I wonder if they're just loose, I need time to jack it up and see. I'd done the passenger side last fall, could be I got them too tight but the car has probably 4500-6000 miles on those bearings. Maybe 6500 on the driver's side which my Indy had done. As I say both had failed badly before being replaced. I asked last time I went through this but nobody replied; are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/0b0025ff/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hmm, I may try that. The bearings I bought for the 190D at Car Quest came with races. I played with them a little and couldn't get 'em out.. I polished them so they were really smooth just in case. Guess that wasn't enough. -Curt Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:52:43 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: ea3d4faa-4029-11de-adec-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? If you can get them out, they're replaceable. An old farmer's trick is to arc-weld a bead across the face of the race. When it cools it contracts, reducing the diameter of the race slightly. Repeat as necessary. Only if you can't pound them out, of course. -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/3048aba4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Curt. What Jim said. I'd only add that a brass punch is best to use when installing the new races that last little bit. If you get desperate (real desperate!) call me. Fred Moir Lynn MA At 08:53 AM 5/14/2009, you wrote: Hmm, I may try that. The bearings I bought for the 190D at Car Quest came with races. I played with them a little and couldn't get 'em out.. I polished them so they were really smooth just in case. Guess that wasn't enough. -Curt Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:52:43 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? If you can get them out, they're replaceable. An old farmer's trick is to arc-weld a bead across the face of the race. When it cools it contracts, reducing the diameter of the race slightly. Repeat as necessary. Only if you can't pound them out, of course. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'd only add that a brass punch is best to use when installing the new races that last little bit. I use an old race as a driver. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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How do I test bearings? Jack up the car and wiggle the wheel? Maybe they're just set loose... That's how your highly-trained inspection station does it! They also shouldn't make that dry bearing sound when you spin the wheel. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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D'accord! At 09:05 AM 5/14/2009, you wrote: I'd only add that a brass punch is best to use when installing the new races that last little bit. I use an old race as a driver. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, indeed, if a bearing is bad enough to replace, so are the races. I used to (45 - 50 years ago) drive my Chevy races out using a piece of wood as a punch - very carefully - always worked great for me. I've never removed a Mercedes race, though - lucky enough to not have to yet. Wilton - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... You should always replace the races as a matter of course -- if the bearing rollers are bad, so are the races, and they will eat a new set of rollers in a few thousand miles. BTDT. You can drive them in and out with a soft punch, or splurge on the MB driving tool. Have a care to get them in right way round, and make SURE the seat is clean and that the new race is seated properly. Timkens fit tighter and are harder to install than SKF, but either will work. Available at McParts. Wheel seal, however, is not. Do replace the seal each time you take the bearings out, even if just for inspection. This is the usual failure point -- seal wears, water and salt get in, bearings go to the bad place. Peter On May 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So the inspection report says its the front wheel bearings. My wife says he said the passenger side was the worse of them but both were bad. I wonder if they're just loose, I need time to jack it up and see. I'd done the passenger side last fall, could be I got them too tight but the car has probably 4500-6000 miles on those bearings. Maybe 6500 on the driver's side which my Indy had done. As I say both had failed badly before being replaced. I asked last time I went through this but nobody replied; are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090513/5e268fd4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What Jim said.. use the old race to put in the new one. On removal of the old race, mess around in the grease and locate the two or three ( or was it four ) notches in the hub casting behind the race that give you a clear shot at driving it out with a punch. I remember the notches being there on my 123's but it's been a long time since I got one out. It can be done. Gentle as opposed to force when it comes to tapping them out. The goal is to not cross them up in the bore. And put the hub center on something solid. If you use the tire to support the wheel while you're driving, all your jolt is absorbed in the tire, and the race does not move. A block of hard wood works well for this, I use a chunk of 6x6 for my race driving efforts. I've never tried the welding trick, it seems like it might have merit. But with my welding skills I would eventually poke a hole in the aluminum hub. --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 12:59 PM Curt. What Jim said. I'd only add that a brass punch is best to use when installing the new races that last little bit. If you get desperate (real desperate!) call me. Fred Moir Lynn MA At 08:53 AM 5/14/2009, you wrote: Hmm, I may try that. The bearings I bought for the 190D at Car Quest came with races. I played with them a little and couldn't get 'em out.. I polished them so they were really smooth just in case. Guess that wasn't enough. -Curt Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:52:43 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? If you can get them out, they're replaceable. An old farmer's trick is to arc-weld a bead across the face of the race. When it cools it contracts, reducing the diameter of the race slightly. Repeat as necessary. Only if you can't pound them out, of course. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I used to confirm/test wheel bearings by jacking the wheel up and rotating it by hand; I could hear and feel the roughness of a bad bearing. With it jacked up, give it a good, hard spin like a roulette wheel; let it spin freely and listen closely (in quiet surroundings, away from the freeway or a jet engine test stand). If you can move/rock the wheel back and forth a bit (any) on the spindle, the bearing is too loose and is gonna be damaged soon if not already. Replacing a bearing to me also means replacing bearing AND races. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... How do I replace the races? Or more specifically how do I get the *$...@! old ones out? Big press? I beat on them a little last time (the outer one I think) but didn't want to damage it... How do I test bearings? Jack up the car and wiggle the wheel? Maybe they're just set loose... -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:06:52 + From: brian.tosc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1580429519-1242259570-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-5839560...@bxe1172.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain Races are replacable. If the spindles are worn you will have problems with new bearings. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:03:45 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... So the inspection report says its the front wheel bearings. My wife says he said the passenger side was the worse of them but both were bad. I wonder if they're just loose, I need time to jack it up and see. I'd done the passenger side last fall, could be I got them too tight but the car has probably 4500-6000 miles on those bearings. Maybe 6500 on the driver's side which my Indy had done. As I say both had failed badly before being replaced. I asked last time I went through this but nobody replied; are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/0b0025ff/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's the problem with sending a wife to do your job for you. ;-) If you had been there you could have asked why they failed. Could be they just need to be adjusted. If you didn't change the races in the hub then it could be that the new bearings are toast. Bad races can grind up a new bearing in a short time. That's why you always change both the inner and outer races when changing a bearing. Manfred Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 14:15:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 29284.82677...@web32802.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just talked to the wife, she had my 190D in for an inspection today and it was rejected for wheel bearings. She says both but I don't know if that means all 4 or what. My Indy had done one of the fronts (driver's side) last fall, I did the other one. I can't believe both of us screwed them but where both are apparently bad again I'd guess that maybe the spindles or hubs are bad since both had failed fairly dramatically. I'd also been wondering if the rears were bad, thinking maybe the rear end noise was wheel bearings and not all the diff... Sounds like money to me, ideas? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hi Peter, That sounds like its probably my problem then. Where do I get the MB tool, does it really make the job substantially easier? How much am I splurging? The MacParts in my town (Car Quest) can get the seal, its $30(!) and takes around 3 hours to get it from the warehouse. Thanks! -Curt Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:44:56 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 63d7327a-20f0-4891-bdde-4f46cc013...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You should always replace the races as a matter of course -- if the bearing rollers are bad, so are the races, and they will eat a new set of rollers in a few thousand miles. BTDT. You can drive them in and out with a soft punch, or splurge on the MB driving tool. Have a care to get them in right way round, and make SURE the seat is clean and that the new race is seated properly. Timkens fit tighter and are harder to install than SKF, but either will work. Available at McParts. Wheel seal, however, is not. Do replace the seal each time you take the bearings out, even if just for inspection. This is the usual failure point -- seal wears, water and salt get in, bearings go to the bad place. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/594dff2a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Add my voice to that: New races are PART OF the bearing. Gotta replace the whole thing. The last time I did this on a W123 I took the hubs into a local automotive machine shop to do that part. They charged me $5 to press out-press in the bearings. For someone with the proper press it is a 2 minute job. Greg Fiorentino '85 300SD '80 240D 4 spd. manual '79 300DT (with new crate engine) '95 and '97 Crown Vics -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Peter Frederick Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:45 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... You should always replace the races as a matter of course -- if the bearing rollers are bad, so are the races, and they will eat a new set of rollers in a few thousand miles. BTDT. You can drive them in and out with a soft punch, or splurge on the MB driving tool. Have a care to get them in right way round, and make SURE the seat is clean and that the new race is seated properly. Timkens fit tighter and are harder to install than SKF, but either will work. Available at McParts. Wheel seal, however, is not. Do replace the seal each time you take the bearings out, even if just for inspection. This is the usual failure point -- seal wears, water and salt get in, bearings go to the bad place. Peter On May 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So the inspection report says its the front wheel bearings. My wife says he said the passenger side was the worse of them but both were bad. I wonder if they're just loose, I need time to jack it up and see. I'd done the passenger side last fall, could be I got them too tight but the car has probably 4500-6000 miles on those bearings. Maybe 6500 on the driver's side which my Indy had done. As I say both had failed badly before being replaced. I asked last time I went through this but nobody replied; are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090513/5e268fd4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah I know but I wanted to get it inspected sooner rather than later. I'm starting to wonder if some of the noise I've been noticing is the bearings. The problem is I was so hung up on the rear diff (which also makes noise) I probably missed the possibility. So Memorial day I'll be pulling the bearings and giving a look. I've already got one set, will order for the other side today or tomorrow. Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 10:13:57 -0400 From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a0c2725.3040...@yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed That's the problem with sending a wife to do your job for you. ;-) If you had been there you could have asked why they failed. Could be they just need to be adjusted. If you didn't change the races in the hub then it could be that the new bearings are toast. Bad races can grind up a new bearing in a short time. That's why you always change both the inner and outer races when changing a bearing. Manfred -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/515f6272/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The old races make great drivers for the new ones A brass drift is the ideal tool for this, I don't know what I would do without mine... Dan --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net wrote: From: Frederick W Moir fred.s...@verizon.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 8:59 AM Curt. What Jim said. I'd only add that a brass punch is best to use when installing the new races that last little bit. If you get desperate (real desperate!) call me. Fred Moir Lynn MA At 08:53 AM 5/14/2009, you wrote: Hmm, I may try that. The bearings I bought for the 190D at Car Quest came with races. I played with them a little and couldn't get 'em out.. I polished them so they were really smooth just in case. Guess that wasn't enough. -Curt Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 18:52:43 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? If you can get them out, they're replaceable. An old farmer's trick is to arc-weld a bead across the face of the race. When it cools it contracts, reducing the diameter of the race slightly. Repeat as necessary. Only if you can't pound them out, of course. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The ONLY way to properly set MB wheel bearings with with the use of a dial indicator. Period. Using a by feel method will result in the bearings being too loose, and cause premature failure. Dan --- On Thu, 5/14/09, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:09 AM I used to confirm/test wheel bearings by jacking the wheel up and rotating it by hand; I could hear and feel the roughness of a bad bearing. With it jacked up, give it a good, hard spin like a roulette wheel; let it spin freely and listen closely (in quiet surroundings, away from the freeway or a jet engine test stand). If you can move/rock the wheel back and forth a bit (any) on the spindle, the bearing is too loose and is gonna be damaged soon if not already. Replacing a bearing to me also means replacing bearing AND races. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... How do I replace the races? Or more specifically how do I get the *$...@! old ones out? Big press? I beat on them a little last time (the outer one I think) but didn't want to damage it... How do I test bearings? Jack up the car and wiggle the wheel? Maybe they're just set loose... -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:06:52 + From: brian.tosc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1580429519-1242259570-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-5839560...@bxe1172.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain Races are replacable. If the spindles are worn you will have problems with new bearings. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:03:45 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... So the inspection report says its the front wheel bearings. My wife says he said the passenger side was the worse of them but both were bad. I wonder if they're just loose, I need time to jack it up and see. I'd done the passenger side last fall, could be I got them too tight but the car has probably 4500-6000 miles on those bearings. Maybe 6500 on the driver's side which my Indy had done. As I say both had failed badly before being replaced. I asked last time I went through this but nobody replied; are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/0b0025ff/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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But, if you don't have a dial indicator, you use what you have. 50 years ago, I didn't have a dial indicator for the Chevy and B-47 aircraft wheel bearings I replaced. Actually, still don't have one - 'course, 'been 50 years since I replaced a wheel bearing, too. ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: LWB250 lwb...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... The ONLY way to properly set MB wheel bearings with with the use of a dial indicator. Period. Using a by feel method will result in the bearings being too loose, and cause premature failure. Dan --- On Thu, 5/14/09, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 10:09 AM I used to confirm/test wheel bearings by jacking the wheel up and rotating it by hand; I could hear and feel the roughness of a bad bearing. With it jacked up, give it a good, hard spin like a roulette wheel; let it spin freely and listen closely (in quiet surroundings, away from the freeway or a jet engine test stand). If you can move/rock the wheel back and forth a bit (any) on the spindle, the bearing is too loose and is gonna be damaged soon if not already. Replacing a bearing to me also means replacing bearing AND races. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... How do I replace the races? Or more specifically how do I get the *$...@! old ones out? Big press? I beat on them a little last time (the outer one I think) but didn't want to damage it... How do I test bearings? Jack up the car and wiggle the wheel? Maybe they're just set loose... -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 00:06:52 + From: brian.tosc...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1580429519-1242259570-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-5839560...@bxe1172.bisx.prod.on.blackberry Content-Type: text/plain Races are replacable. If the spindles are worn you will have problems with new bearings. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:03:45 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... So the inspection report says its the front wheel bearings. My wife says he said the passenger side was the worse of them but both were bad. I wonder if they're just loose, I need time to jack it up and see. I'd done the passenger side last fall, could be I got them too tight but the car has probably 4500-6000 miles on those bearings. Maybe 6500 on the driver's side which my Indy had done. As I say both had failed badly before being replaced. I asked last time I went through this but nobody replied; are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/0b0025ff/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Absolutely! Wilton - Original Message - From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Which of course made me check... Sonofa... There are races. They're shrink wrapped in with the bearings so I didn't see 'em before. I remember also that on the 240D I didn't replace the bearings I just re-greased them. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:16:46 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090514191646.57a107c9.diese...@cnsp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/6f37e96d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Re-greasing is OK, if bearings, including races, are still in good condition, and you can clean out all the old goop and be sure when you start re-greasing that the bearings are CLEAN and DRY. The grease must then be pressed in a little bit at a time with heal of the hand 'til it squeezes/oozes out the other side of the bearing. Put a dollop of grease on the heal of hand (I prefer left hand); grasp bearing with fingers of other hand and press the free side of the bearing (side opposite the fingers) onto the EDGE of the dollop of grease and down onto the heal of the hand, pressing a small amount of grease into the bearing. Turn the bearing in your fingers a bit and repeat the pressing operation; repeat the turning and pressing operation 'til grease oozes sufficiently out the topside (side opposite the heal of your hand). Once grease is oozing from ALL the little cracks/openings, it's done/full - no way to get any more in it - stop playing with it. Others may have a procedure that works equally well, but this USAF aircraft mechanic procedure works(ed) well for me. 'Haven't needed it in a LONG time, though. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings Which of course made me check... Sonofa... There are races. They're shrink wrapped in with the bearings so I didn't see 'em before. I remember also that on the 240D I didn't replace the bearings I just re-greased them. -Curt Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 19:16:46 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@cnsp.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090514191646.57a107c9.diese...@cnsp.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Do bearing sets from Rusty come with races? The set I've got (from eBay) didn't but the set I got from McParts did. If a bearing you buy do not come with two parts, the outer race and the inner race with the rollers, you have bought only part of a bearing. They are matched. They must be used together. Craig -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090514/6f37e96d/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Not really. We have a soft punch that will work just fine, only need to sharpen it by grinding the end flat once in a while. Bugger of a job, that's why I recommend you be careful to get it right way round the first time, especially with Timken bearings. The MB tool makes it easier, but not enough to pay for it. Peter On May 14, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: Hi Peter, That sounds like its probably my problem then. Where do I get the MB tool, does it really make the job substantially easier? How much am I splurging? The MacParts in my town (Car Quest) can get the seal, its $30(!) and takes around 3 hours to get it from the warehouse. Thanks! -Curt Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 21:44:56 -0500 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 63d7327a-20f0-4891-bdde-4f46cc013...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You should always replace the races as a matter of course -- if the bearing rollers are bad, so are the races, and they will eat a new set of rollers in a few thousand miles. BTDT. You can drive them in and out with a soft punch, or splurge on the MB driving tool. Have a care to get them in right way round, and make SURE the seat is clean and that the new race is seated properly. Timkens fit tighter and are harder to install than SKF, but either will work. Available at McParts. Wheel seal, however, is not. Do replace the seal each time you take the bearings out, even if just for inspection. This is the usual failure point -- seal wears, water and salt get in, bearings go to the bad place. Peter -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090514/594dff2a/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Races are replacable. If the spindles are worn you will have problems with new bearings. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 17:03:45 To: Diesel Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Wheel bearings cont... So the inspection report says its the front wheel bearings. My wife says he said the passenger side was the worse of them but both were bad. I wonder if they're just loose, I need time to jack it up and see. I'd done the passenger side last fall, could be I got them too tight but the car has probably 4500-6000 miles on those bearings. Maybe 6500 on the driver's side which my Indy had done. As I say both had failed badly before being replaced. I asked last time I went through this but nobody replied; are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090513/5e268fd4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? If you can get them out, they're replaceable. An old farmer's trick is to arc-weld a bead across the face of the race. When it cools it contracts, reducing the diameter of the race slightly. Repeat as necessary. Only if you can't pound them out, of course. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You should always replace the races as a matter of course -- if the bearing rollers are bad, so are the races, and they will eat a new set of rollers in a few thousand miles. BTDT. You can drive them in and out with a soft punch, or splurge on the MB driving tool. Have a care to get them in right way round, and make SURE the seat is clean and that the new race is seated properly. Timkens fit tighter and are harder to install than SKF, but either will work. Available at McParts. Wheel seal, however, is not. Do replace the seal each time you take the bearings out, even if just for inspection. This is the usual failure point -- seal wears, water and salt get in, bearings go to the bad place. Peter On May 13, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: So the inspection report says its the front wheel bearings. My wife says he said the passenger side was the worse of them but both were bad. I wonder if they're just loose, I need time to jack it up and see. I'd done the passenger side last fall, could be I got them too tight but the car has probably 4500-6000 miles on those bearings. Maybe 6500 on the driver's side which my Indy had done. As I say both had failed badly before being replaced. I asked last time I went through this but nobody replied; are the bearing races in the hub replaceable or would I need a new hub? -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/ attachments/20090513/5e268fd4/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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One method that works for seal removal on some but not all set ups is to remove the nut and outside bearing then reinstall just the nut. Pull briskly out and down on the rotor. The nut inner bearing and seal will be left on the spindle with the seal usually still reuseable after CVI. Bob D. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Craig McCluskey wrote: I thought I had done a good job. I was wrong. One side of the seal was pressed down, but not as much as the last time. So, how good is good enough? Craig, The seal must be installed till it is fully seated. In your situation, the side of the seal that is pressed down is fully seated; the rest of the seal isn't. With a hammer and a block of wood, start tapping around the raised portion of the seal till the entire circumference of the seal is equally pressed down. Finish by gently tapping around the seal with just the hammer, no wood block. You can tell by the sound when the seal is seated. A seated seal makes a harder sound. Wray ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 21:12:53 -0600 Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll send a picture on a reply to this email (if I attach it to this email, it will be held up for Kaleb's approval). Here's the picture. It sure is frustrating not having the correct tools ... Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bent.grease.seal.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 178691 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070929/6d8004ab/attachment.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 04:59:37 -0400 Wray Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig McCluskey wrote: I thought I had done a good job. I was wrong. One side of the seal was pressed down, but not as much as the last time. So, how good is good enough? Craig, The seal must be installed till it is fully seated. In your situation, the side of the seal that is pressed down is fully seated; the rest of the seal isn't. Now that the picture has been posted, take a look at it. Everything is fully seated. The side in question has been bent down. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The seal must be installed till it is fully seated. Incidentally, the old seal often makes a perfectly-sized seal driver. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 08:10:53 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The seal must be installed till it is fully seated. Incidentally, the old seal often makes a perfectly-sized seal driver. Unless you have bent it out of shape trying to remove it. How do YOU remove seals? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Unless you have bent it out of shape trying to remove it. Just bend it back into shape, more or less. It doesn't need to be perfect! How do YOU remove seals? Like everybody else, with a screwdriver. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Peters suggestion is perfect. A large flat hammer - I have a 4# and a 8# IIRC. But the thing is, there are several of us who have messed with stuff like this for 30+ years and have developed a feel for doing something like this. For those who do something like this once every 10 years I suggest the flat,, soft wood approach, and the right tool makes all the difference. For the price of that Overnight shipment a new socket could have been bought. The critical part is getting the seal started. It must be started straight or it won't work. Period. You;ll end up forcing it into place and it will not form a perfect seal. Once the grease gets hot it'll start to leak. This is not brain surgery, but it needs a slow, steady approach. Any rush or using the wrong tools and you'll be starting over. (no offense Craig, I know you are experienced - becoming more experiencd by the day ;-) The sound of a fullly seated seal will be similar to a bearing race being fully seated - it will make a sharp sound until it bottoms then changes to a solid sound. BTW, I like to use inexpensive sockets for pressing stuff like this into place. They end up being damaged somewhat and it's easier with a cheap one than part of an expensive set. They can be bought at flea markets and yard sales for a buck apiece. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs . - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings! I have always driven the grease seal in with a large hammer, very gently applied. It is sheet metal, every easy to distort, so lightly tapping with a broad faced hammer allows you to get it in quite straight. If you don't feel good about that, use a small, flat piece of wood, preferably a crappy two by four, as it is quite soft and won't damage the seal so easily as steel. They don't take much effort to drive in and seat -- nothing at all like a Timken race! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1039 - Release Date: 9/29/2007 9:46 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings!
I have had success seating the wheel bearing seal with a big flat piece of wood (and a hammer) and also with the deal driver kit you can borrow from Autozone, etc. Scott Ritchey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 23:13 To: mercedes Subject: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings! Well, I started the process to put my new dial indicator to use and jacked up the front of the car and removed both wheels. I attacked the driver's side wheel first. I took the brake caliper off, hung it by a piece of coathanger wire, and removed the hub and disk. With a fair amount of difficulty, I got the old grease seal off and removed the bearings. After much cleaning later (alcohol doesn't cut grease very well, but it's the only solvent I have), I weighed out some of the green Mercedes grease into both new grease caps (15 grams each) and then weighed out 50 grams into two sandwich bags for the two sets of bearings and hubs. The process of forcing the new grease into the bearings was a very gooey mess, going not quite as well as I had hoped, but it got done adequately. I then proceeded to get my largest socket and tap the seal into place. Unfortunately, my largest socket wasn't quite large enough and I pushed one lip of the seal down a noticable amount. After surveying the situation, I decided to take that one out (and make an overnight shipment from Rusty necessary). After much struggle again, I got the seal out. The second time, I knew I had to do something differently. I went next door and looked at my neighbor's socket collection. Worse than mine. Back home, I spied the old water pump/fan pulley from the 240D motor. The mounting flange of the pulley is much larger in diameter than the seal and thus would not cause the problem I had earlier. So, I proceeded with the pulley's face resting on the seal and the large socket resting on the pulley's mounting surface. I thought I had done a good job. I was wrong. One side of the seal was pressed down, but not as much as the last time. So, how good is good enough? I'll be calling Rusty early Monday for a set of new seals (maybe two), so I can replace this one, too (fortunately the tube of grease has a little extra grease in it so greasing the lips of successive new seals won't short the hub of grease). Any comments? Suggestions? Help? Help! I'll send a picture on a reply to this email (if I attach it to this email, it will be held up for Kaleb's approval). Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings!
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:33:57 -0400 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (no offense Craig, I know you are experienced - becoming more experiencd by the day ;-) Both my wife and I got a laugh out of this. You're right, I AM becoming more experienced! Reminds me of the line: The ability to make good choices comes from experience. How do you get experience? Bad choices. For those who do something like this once every 10 years I suggest the flat,, soft wood approach, The frustrating part is I've done it in the past with no problems, but not recently. More than 10 years ago, as a matter of fact. A fellow at church this morning said a neighbor of his has a hydraulic press in case I'm interested. For the price of that Overnight shipment a new socket could have been bought. My neighbor suggested the seal might be a standard part and that the local NAPA might have it. Though as I said on another thread, When I was in Austin, Texas, I found that if I had purchased V-belts for my car from Rusty and had him ship them overnight, it would have been cheaper than buying from the local NAPA (which, unfortunately, is what I did before I found out what Rusty's delivered cost would have been). On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:01:19 -0500 Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A heat and cold method will give you a better shot of getting it right. I can certainly easily put the seal in the freezer. Heating the hub would be a problem because it's massive and because the grease I put in the middle of the hub would soften and run out. Messes are nice, messes are fun, but I've had enough fun with this already. On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:36:05 -0400 Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had success seating the wheel bearing seal with a big flat piece of wood (and a hammer) and also with the deal driver kit you can borrow from Autozone, etc. I had not thought of that. It's worth looking into. Thanks. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings!
The problem is that the seal is soft sheet metal, doesn't take much to bend it up. I've wrecked a few in my time! They are available at McParts, usually -- after all, they have the bearings. Not always, though, as the spindle size isn't determined by the bearing seat size. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings!
The trick is you need to push it in straight. A piece of wood bigger than the seal (e.g. a piece of 2x4) distributes the force from the hammer evenly. If the seal starts to cock, pull it out and start over. Scott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Craig McCluskey Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 17:42 To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings! On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:33:57 -0400 LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (no offense Craig, I know you are experienced - becoming more experiencd by the day ;-) Both my wife and I got a laugh out of this. You're right, I AM becoming more experienced! Reminds me of the line: The ability to make good choices comes from experience. How do you get experience? Bad choices. For those who do something like this once every 10 years I suggest the flat,, soft wood approach, The frustrating part is I've done it in the past with no problems, but not recently. More than 10 years ago, as a matter of fact. A fellow at church this morning said a neighbor of his has a hydraulic press in case I'm interested. For the price of that Overnight shipment a new socket could have been bought. My neighbor suggested the seal might be a standard part and that the local NAPA might have it. Though as I said on another thread, When I was in Austin, Texas, I found that if I had purchased V-belts for my car from Rusty and had him ship them overnight, it would have been cheaper than buying from the local NAPA (which, unfortunately, is what I did before I found out what Rusty's delivered cost would have been). On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 12:01:19 -0500 Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A heat and cold method will give you a better shot of getting it right. I can certainly easily put the seal in the freezer. Heating the hub would be a problem because it's massive and because the grease I put in the middle of the hub would soften and run out. Messes are nice, messes are fun, but I've had enough fun with this already. On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 17:36:05 -0400 Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have had success seating the wheel bearing seal with a big flat piece of wood (and a hammer) and also with the deal driver kit you can borrow from Autozone, etc. I had not thought of that. It's worth looking into. Thanks. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings!
How do YOU remove seals? Like everybody else, with a screwdriver. -- Jim Or a seal puller from Sears Hardware or your F.L.A.P.S. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings!
I have not had problems getting seals in, like others said, use a large, flat faced hammer (not a sledge because they are too hard to control) and gently tap tap tap away. Don't rush it, you got all day. If you get a few small dents in the seal it is not the end of the world but if there are big dings then the seal may well be distorted. The main thing is to make sure that the seal goes in straight, if it gets lopsided then it will be very hard to move. I would not recommend heat/cold because by the time you take the seal out of the freezer and move it to the work area it will be at room temperature again. Also in oder to gain any benefit from heat you will have to apply a fair bit of heat (this is because the hub is designed not to expand with moderate heat) and you will burn yourself. Harry Watkins wrote: Craig A heat and cold method will give you a better shot of getting it right. Cleanly re-capture your grease. Put the seal in the freezer for a spell and just before you are ready to do the install, use a heat gun or hair dryer on the female part. Limit touching the seal with your hands as much as possible. It may give you an edge. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings!
Another way to do this is to use the old wheel bearing cup to bash the seal in, that's usually what I do. Hendrik Fay wrote: I have not had problems getting seals in, like others said, use a large, flat faced hammer (not a sledge because they are too hard to control) and gently tap tap tap away. Don't rush it, you got all day. If you get a few small dents in the seal it is not the end of the world but if there are big dings then the seal may well be distorted. The main thing is to make sure that the seal goes in straight, if it gets lopsided then it will be very hard to move. I would not recommend heat/cold because by the time you take the seal out of the freezer and move it to the work area it will be at room temperature again. Also in oder to gain any benefit from heat you will have to apply a fair bit of heat (this is because the hub is designed not to expand with moderate heat) and you will burn yourself. Harry Watkins wrote: Craig A heat and cold method will give you a better shot of getting it right. Cleanly re-capture your grease. Put the seal in the freezer for a spell and just before you are ready to do the install, use a heat gun or hair dryer on the female part. Limit touching the seal with your hands as much as possible. It may give you an edge. Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wheel Bearings!
Any comments? Suggestions? Help? Help! Get some more big sockets! Harbor Freight makes a nice set of 3/4 drive seal presses that periodically go on sale. As a bonus, you can even use them to bar over the engine, and remove fuel tank senders. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
