On 6/25/00 2:22 AM, Geoff Canyon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> This opened up a larger open-source debate, prompting Glass to state that,
>> "Open source will not be a dumping ground for dead products."
When will this change take place? ;)
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cessary.
Perhaps as a workaround we could allow backscripts to trap mouse activity in
the backdrop, listing either "backdrop" or the backscript itself as the
target.
Would this work?
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open file myfile for binary write
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essage should not be sent if the mouse goes
up within the double-click threshold (as defined by the user in the Mouse
control panel), nor should mouseDown be sent twice if the second down even
occurs within this interval.
If HyperCard does not honor the double-click interval, I would report that
essage should not be sent if the mouse goes
up within the double-click threshold (as defined by the user in the Mouse
control panel), nor should mouseDown be sent twice if the second down even
occurs within this interval.
If HyperCard does not honor the double-click interval, I would report that
ors, its misleading pricing, and its support
(nothing on this planet matches Scott Raney when it comes to support). Just
the same, we have considered moving some projects to Director just to stay
in the game. You can't lead a horse to water if the water is too muddy.
I want MetaCard to be
hing is that the oddball OS, Mac, seems to be migrating this way.
with "packages", introduces in OS 9 and playing a big role in OS X, I would
expect this approach to become more common.
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Jacqueline Landman Gay at wrote:
> Is there a way to detect the system's menu font on the machine running
> MetaCard? On Mac, that could be Chicago, Charcoal, or several others. On
> Windows, probably MS Sans Serif.
Set the font to 0 (zero)
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> MetaCard took 0, but seemed to do something strange with it. My system
> font (Charcoal) didn't display right.
What exactly happened? Could it be an anti-aliasing issue?
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e gets
fonts mapped correctly for Windows as well.
Since the 0 is not documented (is it?), I'm only guessing that it's
reliable; seems to work well here on both platforms.
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eavenWithinYourSelf.com/" & "someFile.html" &
> quote"
>
> The quote char wasn't in the special char list of escapables. And
>
> put "\"whatever\"" into msg
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> didn't work
I use a simple function for this:
pu
Does anyone offer CGI access to MetaCard on a UNIX box?
I'm half-tempted to get a server in here, even on my lamo DSL, just to enjoy
the flexibility of using MC for CGI access. If there's an existing solution
it would save me a lot of time.
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vironment for browser-based applications.
MetaCard is the ideal environment for cross-platform desktop applications.
Flash doesn't do traditional UI design.
MetaCard doesn't do browsers.
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David Bovill at wrote:
> Is anyone working on a Metacard based browser? I'm just starting on that
> trail, and either I am making some basic mistakes, or it is more complex than
> I thought (as ever).
What would be the advantages of a MetaCard-based browser over MSIE or NN?
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> My guess is, if you're looking to be able to parse the HTML from any
> existing Web page, you're in for a thousand and one headaches.
One word: tables.
Okay, two words: nested tables.
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ake the same UI for browser-based app and put it on the desktop and
folks will claim they can't figure out how to use it.
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anything we've ever purchased. As with any business expense, it's
return on investment, not initial purchase price, which is the primary
determinant of profitability.
VB should be a good ride, but over time I suspect you'll miss MC's property
and message inheritance. Maybe we&
percentage do you spend
with MetaCard?
And what percentage with client-side tools/languages like JavaScript, Perl,
and of course HTML and others?
Thanks in advance -
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spect there are a few thousand more
waiting to be discovered.
A question in response to your post: Since you mentioned being able to
spend 95% of your time with MC and that most of your work is for the Web,
does that imply that you're building server-side MC CGIs? Or "custom
browsers"
suit? Any options 'till then?
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what it does for the workflow in this app is worth the aesthetic
downside.
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ns a lot of flashing selection
regions. :(
If you haven't worked with the backgroundColor property before, it's a fair
second choice.
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arget into tColNum
set the itemdel to tab
sort by lines of fld "Whatever" by item tColNum of each
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of a global.
To prevent data loss, you could use MC's timers to create a routine which
periodically saves every few minutes. I'm building this into an app now at
the request of some customers, and it's pretty straightforward.
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it matter if the stack
was imported from HyperCard? Is there another factor at play as well that I
may be overlooking?
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default for MetaCard stacks) if you're sure that
> none of the scripts refer to fields or buttons by number and you don't
> have any cases where card and background fields have the same name.
Way cool -- another best-of-both-worlds solution.
Thank you, Scott. Stellar answer.
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get the files -- get the list of files
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er the mouse changes
>> size/border/color - the text becomes fatter, bigger, other color???
>> what about horizontal text in vertical tabs, vertical text in horizontal
>> tabs or even oblique text???
Should be easy enough to make custom controls like this (and so much more)
using
Nations General
> Assembly hall where our team was and we would like to be able to present
> these from within Metacard. Right now the only option is via a browser with
> some plug ins.
QuickTime VR plays great in MC.
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umstance turns out as gracefully as mine have. I have never
seen something perform as robustly as MetaCard across so many platforms with
so many supported configurations.
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ond Best Support Folks After Scott Raney" in January
when one of their employees spent some very helpful time over a holiday
weekend helping me get a complex install together.)
But if you have the time on your hands I'd love to see what you come up
with. I've grown very fond of your a
Have you considered using a frontScript and log messages to a file before
passing them?
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Blair Moxon wrote:
> Thanks for all the suggestions... hadn't thought of the frontScript - in
> fact I'd never heard of it!
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e most folks', you'll discover that more often than not it's more a
question of understanding the tool than any inherent limitation in the tool
itself.
The best thing is that you've already discovered the most valuable MetaCard
resource: this list.
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time next year.
Gee, Scott, you don't think an OS which requires a proprietary language to
write native apps for and only runs on the most expensive machines in the
industry isn't going to take over the world?
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developer community from the start," said Richard Gaskin, Ambassador of
Fourth World. "Working with developers has been a great way to meet
smart, motivated people doing a lot of interesting stuff. By delivering
our work to the Open Source community, we have the opportunity to see the
at way to meet cool folks, but there
are so many more lucrative ways to make money.
So removing the money management from the equation opens up the whole
thing to returning to what it was when I started: simply fun.
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some tips on avoiding spaghettiism, check out:
http://www.fourthworld.com/Research/ScriptStyle.html
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line at all - the error dialog lists a specific line, but when I click
"Script..." it opens with the cursor at the top.
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ect a
line at all - the error dialog lists a specific line, but when I click
"Script..." it opens with the cursor at the top.
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ut to let the user create on
interactively we really gotta have this; the interaction for creating a
two-point polygon in lieu of a line tool is unfamiliar to most users.
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Is there a way to restrict a visual effect to only affect a specified
rectangle within a stack window, or must it always be the entire window?
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nner users are accustomed for line
objects.
Any chance we'll see the line style have selection/interaction behaviors
like standard line objects in drawing programs?
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ves, kind of like if a group could be used to
view a substack as in Gain Momentum's "viewer" objects.
I just tried this on my Mac, and the gawdawful performance of SlowDraw
(sometimes called "QuickDraw") makes the window redraw an unbearable
mess. Hmmm...it looked so
ect of the line, but will not allow adjustment of
the direction of slope).
See Canvas, SuperCard, Freehand, MacDraw, PowerPoint, SuperPaint,
Illustrator, InDesign, Quark, PageMaker, FrameMaker, FileMaker,
AppleWorks, Word, Excel, CorelDraw,
r "pages" on someone else's
>server. Any volunteers?
Count me in. I've been using xTalks as Helper Apps for some time, and
MetaCard is the simplest and cleanest of the lot to do this sort of stuff
with.
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s with the pointer tool? Or is the only alternative to
simulate the pointer tool with scripts in the browse tool?
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x27;ll put it on the list,
>though.
You're right, SC doesn't do it for polygons, which was a similar drag
until they cleaned up their line routines. ;)
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'm just old-fashioned, but I think
it's healthy for people to avoid the false sense of security implied by
tools like Java (which still carries a hefty and thorough disclaimer in
spite of its claims).
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about these:
1. What is the base date for milliseconds? Does it vary from machine to
machine?
2. Is this the same base date for seconds?
3. Are ticks in MC truly relative to startup, as in other xTalks?
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he time) and the upgrade will be transparent
>to any stacks that survive until then ;-)
Has MetaCard Corp issued a statement of Y2.038k compliance? :)
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r code.
But of course, as with any feature request, this is a question of ROI.
If the data supports that MC can make more money with this investment,
I'm all over it.
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would make useful, if not essential, additions to
our applications.
So: anyone find a way around this? Anyone successfully implement a
palette or dialog which indicates for the user the section of text about
to be affected by the controls in another window?
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be edited.
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em will be *much* easier to solve in 2.3 because it has several
>new functions and properties that will greatly simplify writing those
>scripts.
Any hints? :)
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Does any of this discussion have any implications when storing the data
as user properties rather than in fields?
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in Win95, 98, and NT with both MSIE and NN as
the default browser?
I've had mixed results from testing this on some NT boxes with NN as the
default (sometimes reported to simply churn for a moment and then do
nothing, no browser, no error mes
better
than popping up multiple browsers.
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ible.
Now, about the object reference question: It's hard to follow what's
happening from the description alone. If you could post the syntax
you're using, we can identify what's going on and make recommendations
from there.
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ld do this, at least in IE.
Agreed. I would love to see DDE support to compliment MC's Apple event
support.
>>Kill the process before stating a new one. Kind of a drag, but better
>>than popping up multiple browsers.
>There a way to get a list of running applications?
I'
nts me from using any
hard-wired additional objects, and makes setting the location for other
objects problematic (cross-platform font widths are hard to predict).
Any tips would be much appreciated -
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return the names of applications not opened with
>open process.
Yes, MC provides no mechanism for that directly.
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ard, it would take care of the
most common need and the hardest to implement in scripting.
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tion to adopt a set of
de facto standards for making MC components. I like the idea very much -
is there a document describing this available on the Web?
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>I've found that most, if not all of the stuff in the recently released
>WetWare Collection and Listmaster external don't work.
In fairness to Mark Lucas, the externals don't work in MC and HC; they
work very well in SuperCard, for which they were written.
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n be
exploited from Java:
http://www.news.com/News/Item/0,4,41084,00.html?st.ne.fd.gif.d
The lead-in sez:
Researchers have created a malicious Java program that takes
advantage of a security hole in Microsoft's Internet Explorer
browser to get unlimited control over a Windows-based com
he only time I've seen this behavior is when one of my scripts which
disables items goes bad.
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cripts Go Bad"
Claude Van Damme just called - he's very excited about starting
production on "MeatCard", and his agent is already talking about a sequel.
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e sure to read the README file (which you may want to read even
>if you don't get the whole release, just to see some of what's going
>to be in 2.3). It's available as:
>ftp://216.147.65.142/MetaCard/2.3/README.2.3A4
A public Alpha - thanks, Scott! Way cool!
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in its own heap (partition), but
>you have to increase the partition size if you do this.
Does MC release temporary memory when it's done with it? I've had
reports of one of our standalones not release memory (no externals in
it). If this is not normal for MC I'll get more in
rinting to crash such a scheme).
In my experience, the best way to install fonts is through the normal
processes established for each OS. There may be other tricks to doing
this on Windows, but on Mac all other options are risky at best.
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>even not at all as you delete stacks or other things that use memory.
>It just won't increase any more the next time you do something that
>requires reusing that memory.
I imagine it should be releasing this when it quits, yes?
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nu bar at the top of the monitor is
better than anchored to the top of a window (one of the few cases where
Fitt's Law becomes less a law and more of a hypothesis ).
MS has one of the most well-funded usability labs in the world, but
little evidence in their products.
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>According to Apple, this isn't supposed to be necessary. But we've
>found that it may be, and so all memory is released when the engine
>exits. We don't know of any memory leaks in 2.2.5.
Way cool - thanks!
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>but at least he admits that all OS's suck in some way or another!
If you liked that link, be sure to check out these two:
Jared Spool and the others at User Interface Engineering:
http://www.uie.com
Jakob Nielson:
http://www.useit.com
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Maybe we should consider suggesting "copy file" and "move file" commands?
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>text fits in each field *much* easier.
BLESS YOU!!!
Can't wait to ship my current projects so I can start sinking my teeth
heavily into this 2.3 UberCard.
ool enough for the money, but the support has
been a mind-bending good time (how on earth does Raney stay on top of all
his email?).
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a field just to see how long it would take. 4.1 MBs, Old Testament,
New Testament - even the Apocrypha. Took a while to display, but not
more than a minute. Kinda cool - not even possible in any other tool
I've worked with.
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s several
>seconds on a G3, and forever on anything else.
Or maybe better still: Does MC 2.3 provide a way to move styled text
from one field to another without mucking with the Clipboard?
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ernative for
PowerBooks. Emulation is okay for limited testing, but after enjoying G3
speed in the native Mac OS switching into emulated Win98 is like dropping
down to a Pentium 70MHz - kinda usable, but not for long periods.
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ill overcome the "barriers to entry"
that most newcomers experience with MetaCard, and will correct this
installed base problem.
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convention to present a list with nothing selected. And like them,
I found that putting another dummy field offscreen, however odd this may
sound, satisfies this unconventional need at least as effectively as the
types of kludges we've had to use in other tools to get _conventional_
be
sues in
the context of your target audience and their needs.
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'm missing?
SuspendStack and ResumeStack should suffice, no?
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th HP printers during testing of two
products in the last few months.
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ial information from people who are not in a
position to perform adequate diagnostics. As usual, as time and budget
allow I will continue to devote available resources to helping you
resolve this problem.
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aside from this sizing issue (a function
of the OSes rather than MC itself), once you learn a couple things like
working with menuGroups it's a snap.
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>You can control another MetaCard app on Windows with DDE
I was hoping to do this with FileMaker Pro. How is this done?
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wcomer feel welcome and
empowered. Most people want to do the right thing, and given access to
good information they will.
Whether in virtual and actual realities, good manners are the hallmark of
a civilized people.
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>This should be no problem on the Mac. Even running applications can
>be even moved without problems on the Mac.
And the resource fork?
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I'll be picking up an HP printer tommorrow to resolve some long
outstanding issues with HP printers. Are there any models which DO NOT
have problems with MetaCard? Which ones?
TIA -
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l channels, along with our testing matrix
once we finish collecting data.
Thanks again for your work on this, Scott.
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