[meteorite-list] more on the is it really Hamilton saga
Listoids QMIG update Will the real Hamilton please stand up !!! http://www.qmig.org Some of the ORIGINAL investigations for Hamilton uploaded More documents re Hamilton and photos of the main mass of Hamilton soon And... documents re Wynella incl photos of the main mass and thin-sections soon And... some photos of the main mass of Ellerslie soon too Ciao __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer a Mulligan
This is like the problem I have with calling skin, bone, and blood an organ because it technically meets the definition of organ in that it is an assemblage of cells that serve a common function. Speaking of Blood, I am glad I am not the one having to catalog all the sub categories. I can see it now, a handbook like Rules of Golf which includes every conceivable situation and a jury of three old meteorite geesers deliberating case by case-- Each category being named after the fist notorious finder of a particular case(e.g A Mulligan where if it missed the road you get to pick it up and drop it over your shoulder or off set it by the length of your metal detector). Aye that be an Arnold, A Farmer, or a Garcia... Elton --- On Wed, 3/18/09, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: I thought a damn is a man made structure? A bridge is more than a road as well? Not just a road but a structure. A road becomes a structure when it is a bridge. STRUCTURE seems to be the key word here. Carl __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: more than 50 one-cent meteorites ending tonight
http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ I have more than 50 meteorites ending in hours. All meteorites on ebay have no reserve, started at 1 cent! Where they end, they sell. Most are still at one cent! Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ** full slice AD ** - Holbrook, Park Forest, Portales Valley, Pultusk
Dear list members, I'm upgrading some of my meteorites and so, I will let go some very nice full slices: (1) Holbrook, 1.1g full slice, $33 ($30/g) (2) Park Forest, 4.6g full slice (from the Winslow street House stone), $230 ($50/g instead of previous $75/g) (3) Portales Valley, 80g full slice (with a few nice metal veins), $1200 ($15/g) (4) Pultusk, 5.54g full slice (I never saw any other full slice available), $83 ($15/g) Offers also considered if you're willing to buy more than one. Thanks, Arnaud _ Inédit ! Des Emoticônes Déjantées! Installez les dans votre Messenger ! http://www.ilovemessenger.fr/Emoticones/EmoticonesDejantees.aspx __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices
Hello List, Up for sale : 1kg CC for $1.75 7kgs OC for $0.1 Pictures on request if interested, first come, first served. The best Aziz Alhyane Abdelaziz Taliouine Center 83500 Morocco +212(6)61655060 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices
Hello List, Up for sale : 1kg CC for $1.75 7kgs OC for $0.1 Pictures on request if interested, first come, first served. The best Aziz Alhyane Abdelaziz Taliouine Center 83500 Morocco +212(6)61655060 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New probable fall in Zimbabwe
This just appeared in Zimdiaspora online: A large rock mysteriously falls from the sky in Zimbabwes’ Nkayi village Thursday, 19 March 2009 15:02 By Owen Gagare A LARGE rock, weighing about 100 kilogrammes fell from the “sky,” in Nkayi at the beginning of the month, shocking villagers while at the same time sending the whole district wild with excitement and speculation. The District Administrator for Nkayi, Ms Nosizi Dube, and the Police Officer Commanding Crime in the district, Superintendent Chanetsa Maswi, confirmed the incident. The stone, many villagers now believe. is a gift from God, fell with a thunderous noise in Madlilika Village in the Mjena area of Lukampa under Chief Sikhobokhobo at about 5pm on 1 March. It fell five metres from two villagers, Mr Judia Sibanda and Mr Mncedisi Ngwenya, who were herding cattle in the bush. In interviews on Tuesday, villagers from the area said they heard a thunderous sound coming from the “sky,” and another sound resembling a bomb exploding. “The noise later fizzled into a sound similar to one made by an aircaft on take-off before dying away,” said Mrs Nomsa Ngwenya, a villager. On seeing the rock fall, Mr Sibanda and Mr Ngwenya rushed to their home where they told their father, Mr Spempokuhle Ngwenya, of the incident. Mr Ngwenya told other villagers and together they went to inspect the rock, after which it was agreed that he keeps it since his children had found it. People from the area believe the rock could have been a special gift from God containing very precious minerals while others believe that it could have been sent by their ancestors in a bid to communicate something to them. They have since vowed to jealously guard it until they get a satisfactory explanation on what it symbolises or what mineral it contains. They have been so determined to keep the rock that they even turned down Chief Sikhobokhobo’s request to have the rock. To date they have only allowed about 15 kilogrammes of the rock to be taken by the Government, through the District Administrator’s Office and security agents, so that it may go for testing. The villagers, however, reluctantly released the rock. According to Mr Sethukile Ndlovu, a teacher at Mjena Primary School, who also comes from the area, the villagers believe that the unique stone could turn out to be something of great significance. “There is a lot of speculation at the moment but one thing for sure is that no one seems to think it is a bad omen, although people were initially shocked by the incident. A number of people touched the stone and nothing has happened to them but the strongest belief seems to be that it is a precious stone,” he said. “There is belief that it could be containing a very rich mineral while others believe that either God or their ancestors were trying to communicate with them. So, whichever way you look at it, this rock is important to the people of this area and they are keen to find out what it really is. “There is belief that the rock could be a good omen for the area and if there are any benefits from it, the people do not want to lose out.” Mr Ndlovu said the unique sound, which accompanied the rock made some people believe that there was something supernatural about it. He says the rock was heard in the entire Lukampa area as well as Matshena, Mbuma and Nkalathi areas. According to Mr Memukeli Khumalo, also from Mjena, Chief Sikhobokhobo sent two of his advisors to have a look at the stone. The chief also requested that the stone be sent to him but the villagers refused. “At that meeting people said they had never seen anything like that. The people refused to let go of the rock because they felt that if it was of significance, then its significance would be here. At that meeting, there was talk of raising spirit mediums so that they could find out what the stone meant but we failed to raise them during the meeting,” he said. When Chief Sikhobokhobo confirmed the incident he alerted the DA who in turn alerted security agents. The Assistant DA, Mr Knowledge Chikanga, then travelled to the area with the police last week. “We wanted to see what it was for ourselves and from a security point of view, establish whether it was of harm or not. The elders from the area held onto the rock but in the end they gave us one piece. We hope to conduct tests on the rock,” said Ms Dube, the DA. The rock weighing 15kg is being kept at Nkayi Police Station. Supt Maswi said the rock would be tested by officials from the Ministry of Mines and Mining Development to establish its chemical composition. The rock is black and very smooth outside. It is grey inside. Contacted for comment, officials from the Geological Survey Department said they could not explain the phenomenon since they did not have a geologist in the Matabeleland region although another official said the stone could have come from space. A solid state physicist contacted
Re: [meteorite-list] New probable fall in Zimbabwe
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:21:55 +0100, you wrote: The stone, many villagers now believe. is a gift from God Silly villagers. If it were a gift from God, it would have landed on Mugabe. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New probable fall in Zimbabwe
Very clever. On Mar 19, 2009, at 1:30 PM, Darren Garrison wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:21:55 +0100, you wrote: The stone, many villagers now believe. is a gift from God Silly villagers. If it were a gift from God, it would have landed on Mugabe. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Marching Hammers - Business and Marketing
Gilmer, I did not see anyone attacking Blood. I will tell you that my short list of dealers I would recommend is headed by Blood. Others include in no particular order; Black, Notkin, Pitt, Garcia, Arnold #1, Kachinka, Miller, Reeds, Bruno. Gheesling,Grossman. just to name the stand outs that have treated me personally well. My vote for best Scientist still working with us is Ted Bunch. Korotev comes close. Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi List, Another can of worms opened up here with the definition of a hammer. First, whoever emailed Michael Blood and bashed his business practices needs to have their head examined. I've done trades and made purchases from Michael and can state that he is a first class guy. Michael's only crime is his enthusiasm for collecting meteorites that have struck objects. And let's not discredit thinking people by claiming that some dealer using the word hammer is going to damage the hobby as a whole or devaluate all other real hammers. This is being a bit dramatic. I think most people, including newbies, are perfectly capable of using a search engine, reading, and learning. I am going to say something that may get vegetables thrown at me, but the overall atmosphere of suspicion in this hobby is unfortunate. I have never in my life seen a hobby where many newcomers are viewed with suspicion and people launch accusations against other's business practices based on semantics. Sure, meteorites are a valuable commodity and any valuable commodity is going to the target/source of frauds. But all of the suspicion, accusations, and general rivalry is unnecessary. There are enough meteorites for everyone. There are enough collectors for every dealer. And fakes/frauds are much less common than the alarmists would have you believe. I've done hundreds of meteorite deals in my short time in this hobby, and not once has a person tried to defraud me - if they were that type, I wouldn't have done business with them in the first place. I'm very thankful that visual astronomy doesn't have the same atmosphere as meteorite collecting - if it did, I would have quit the hobby long ago and never learned the wonders of the heavens above. A handful of people have been very gracious to me in this hobby, but several have also been twofaced - ready to take my money when I buy their meteorites, but ready to talk smack behind my back because I don't buy into their particular clique. When I got into astronomy and approached an observing club about joining, I was welcomed with open arms and brought into the hobby - which I now share with others in the same manner. Unfortunately, meteorites have not been like that - I was viewed with suspicion by some from the minute I arrived on the scene. Why? I don't know. Probably for the same reason someone is now talking crap about Michael Blood. Politics, cliques, gossip, and profiteering - much bigger issues in the meteorite world than the definition of a hammer. That's where I stand, even if it's not popular. Regards and clear skies, MikeG PS - despite all the politics, backbiting, and suspicion, I am still having a lot of fun collecting meteorites. So NEENER NEENER! :P LOL PSS - to the 5 or 6 people who have been straight up with me in our dealings, you have my sincerest thanks again. You know who you are. ;) :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices
Hello Aziz, You offered: Up for sale : 1kg CC for $1.75 7kgs OC for $0.1 I would like that 1kg for one dollar and 75 cents and the 7kgs for ten cents as advertised! ;-) Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices Hello List, Up for sale : 1kg CC for $1.75 7kgs OC for $0.1 Pictures on request if interested, first come, first served. The best Aziz Alhyane Abdelaziz Taliouine Center 83500 Morocco +212(6)61655060 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dam Hammer
Hello list; As per mike farmer suggestion this collector is chiming in on this subject.I think provenance does matter a whole lot in collectables of all kinds,But when someone comes up with a lame catch phrase like hammer stone to promote something they sell is disrespectful to that group of collectors and insults their intelligence,i think.Everyone is entitled to their on opinion in such matters and i respect that very much.That is my opinion.No offence meant to anyone. PUT THE HAMMER DOWN! More meteorite info. and discussion please. Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA # 2770. **Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212974460%3B34272906%3Bh) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] West Points and Dino Bones
Hey List, There have been some requests for photos of my Indian Arrow Points I found in the West strewnfield, so I just put up a couple of photos of them and my Dinosaur toe bones up. http://s361.photobucket.com/albums/oo52/stevearnoldpmh/ Steve Arnold Arkansas **Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212974460%3B34272906%3Bh) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ?
Michael, This article you posted is dated Sept. 24th. We were there on the 18th and the smell was already gone. The locals described it to us as a sulfur smell more than Garlic but I don't think we asked about garlic so maybe it did smell of Garlic. I do know that the water was boiling for several hours after the fall. Some suspect it was a chemical reaction with something but Carancas is filled with many mysteries that may never come to light. This smelly water was in fact the main drinking source for all of the livestock in the area. In fact this Meteorite actually hit directly the human maintained natural spring they drank from. So, my question is this; If this water was contaminated how then was it the main drinking sour se for the area? Would the arsenic not have effected the people and animals that drank from it? Again, This is but one of dozens of mysteries yet to be fully answered. This material has been shown to have a very odd cosmochemistry. So much so that scientists are unwilling to publish the results. It has been described as inexplicable. This was largely a farming community not a mining one but was on land that was once a part of lake Titicaca, Maybe you can figure this out. Thanks Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net wrote: Hi List I am coming like hair in the soup... about Carancas, seeing the just recent exchanges :) but following the post about Staten Island today I did some search on NYTimes website and got to this article from 2007 in the first 10 hits: (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/perus-meteor-illness-explained-invitation-extended/?scp=2sq=meteoritest=cse) Was the Arsenic theory ever proven ? Did anybody from the List, on site at the time, remember a like garlic smell, which is typical for most of arsenic forms ? (Although, some forms or in small quantities would not yield a strong garlic smell) If not, any further studies and lab test about that smell ? Peru has been the place for a lot of mining waste recycling from US and elsewhere. Copper, gold, silver ores can contain quite some Arsenic (in Philippines up to 14% !) I remember also Tacoma, Washington, where we got to the arsenic kitchen site from an old smelter place (beginning 20th century)... the underground soil smelt like a huge pot of cooked garlic :) I know... it is not the main interest on this list. But having been quite active in arsenic cleaning in soils and groundwater... I enjoy seeing this Carancas story including probable (?) arsenic release A bientot Michael B, France __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ?
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:47:04 -0700, you wrote: This material has been shown to have a very odd cosmochemistry. So much so that scientists are unwilling to publish the results. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45817 Okay, some of you on the list have close ties with real meteorite scientists-- some of you ARE real meteorite scientists. Do any of you know anything about Carancas being anything other than the H4-4 ordinary chondrite that it is published to be? Anyone have very odd cosmochemistry results that you are unwilling to publish? (Whisper in our ear, we won't tell anyone.) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ?
Darren Garrison kirjoitti: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:47:04 -0700, you wrote: This material has been shown to have a very odd cosmochemistry. So much so that scientists are unwilling to publish the results. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45817 Okay, some of you on the list have close ties with real meteorite scientists-- some of you ARE real meteorite scientists. Do any of you know anything about Carancas being anything other than the H4-4 ordinary chondrite that it is published to be? Anyone have very odd cosmochemistry results that you are unwilling to publish? (Whisper in our ear, we won't tell anyone.) - The truth is out there ... (whispering) http://www.area51zone.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ?
Darren, I have no idea who you are but from your posts I thought you of all people might know the difference between a meteorite classification and the study of a meteorites Cosmochemistry. Obviously you don't. Maybe you should try a Google search before you Try to make other people look stupid. The joke may be on you Mr. know-it-all Do you think I make this stuff up for your amusement? I know your not singling me out. You insult everybody. I do notice that none of your snide remarks ever do offer the list any thing of any significant value. You just remind me of a bully. that's all. . Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:47:04 -0700, you wrote: This material has been shown to have a very odd cosmochemistry. So much so that scientists are unwilling to publish the results. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45817 Okay, some of you on the list have close ties with real meteorite scientists-- some of you ARE real meteorite scientists. Do any of you know anything about Carancas being anything other than the H4-4 ordinary chondrite that it is published to be? Anyone have very odd cosmochemistry results that you are unwilling to publish? (Whisper in our ear, we won't tell anyone.) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ?
On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:13:06 -0400, you wrote: I have no idea who you are but from your posts I thought you of all people might know the difference between a meteorite classification and the study of a meteorites Cosmochemistry. Here's a hint for you-- by classifying a meteorite as an H4-5, one is saying that the meteorite ultimately originated from the H4-5 parent body. Which means that it has the same cosmochemistry as every other H4-5 meteorite, which is-- BY DEFINITION-- what makes it a H4-5 meteorite. If it had a different isotopic makeup from H4-5 meteorites, it would not be classified as an H4-5 meteorite. Maybe you should try a Google search before you Try to make other people look stupid. No need for me to do the work, you are doing an excellent job all by yourself. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: 50 + meteorites ending, major cheap deals!
http://www.meteorite.com/farmer/ I have more than 50 meteorites ending in hours. All meteorites on ebay have no reserve, started at 1 cent! Where they end, they sell. Most are still at one cent! Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New probable fall in Zimbabwe
Svend; Awesome article.Thanks for posting.Read like a short story book about the way we have learned meteorites have been perceived throughout history,and to think this is 2009.Thanks again. Herman Archer IMCA # 2770. **Great Deals on Dell 15 Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029050x1201385914/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212974460%3B34272906%3Bh) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible Holocene start impact crater
Hi all - You might want to check this out: http://www.meridianbooster.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1484183 Was this structure really from one of the holocene start impacts? good hunting, E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices
A big dealso far.hahahahahaha larense -- From: gmh...@htn.net To: abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 13:13:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices Hello Aziz, You offered: Up for sale : 1kg CC for $1.75 7kgs OC for $0.1 I would like that 1kg for one dollar and 75 cents and the 7kgs for ten cents as advertised! ;-) Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Abdelaziz Alhyane To: Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices Hello List, Up for sale : 1kg CC for $1.75 7kgs OC for $0.1 Pictures on request if interested, first come, first served. The best Aziz Alhyane Abdelaziz Taliouine Center 83500 Morocco +212(6)61655060 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices
Hi Greg Bravo ! you were first... shoot :) In his post he said: first come, first served OK, we know he hopefully meant per g or whatever... But ... trade rules are price published = price to be paid Just kidding Aziz :) (be careful however in the future) Michael - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net To: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices Hello Aziz, You offered: Up for sale : 1kg CC for $1.75 7kgs OC for $0.1 I would like that 1kg for one dollar and 75 cents and the 7kgs for ten cents as advertised! ;-) Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Abdelaziz Alhyane abdelaziz_alhy...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD : CC / OC excellent prices Hello List, Up for sale : 1kg CC for $1.75 7kgs OC for $0.1 Pictures on request if interested, first come, first served. The best Aziz Alhyane Abdelaziz Taliouine Center 83500 Morocco +212(6)61655060 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Marching Hammers - Business and Marketing
Thanks Mike ! Love that email And as you say, common sense is not reserved to the seasoned ones Being a newbie doesn't mean I will be fooled by Hammers :) And being a newbie, I enjoyed the rich information laded website from Michael Blood. Good evening everyone Michael B, France - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 5:35 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Marching Hammers - Business and Marketing Hi List, Another can of worms opened up here with the definition of a hammer. First, whoever emailed Michael Blood and bashed his business practices needs to have their head examined. I've done trades and made purchases from Michael and can state that he is a first class guy. Michael's only crime is his enthusiasm for collecting meteorites that have struck objects. And let's not discredit thinking people by claiming that some dealer using the word hammer is going to damage the hobby as a whole or devaluate all other real hammers. This is being a bit dramatic. I think most people, including newbies, are perfectly capable of using a search engine, reading, and learning. I am going to say something that may get vegetables thrown at me, but the overall atmosphere of suspicion in this hobby is unfortunate. I have never in my life seen a hobby where many newcomers are viewed with suspicion and people launch accusations against other's business practices based on semantics. Sure, meteorites are a valuable commodity and any valuable commodity is going to the target/source of frauds. But all of the suspicion, accusations, and general rivalry is unnecessary. There are enough meteorites for everyone. There are enough collectors for every dealer. And fakes/frauds are much less common than the alarmists would have you believe. I've done hundreds of meteorite deals in my short time in this hobby, and not once has a person tried to defraud me - if they were that type, I wouldn't have done business with them in the first place. I'm very thankful that visual astronomy doesn't have the same atmosphere as meteorite collecting - if it did, I would have quit the hobby long ago and never learned the wonders of the heavens above. A handful of people have been very gracious to me in this hobby, but several have also been twofaced - ready to take my money when I buy their meteorites, but ready to talk smack behind my back because I don't buy into their particular clique. When I got into astronomy and approached an observing club about joining, I was welcomed with open arms and brought into the hobby - which I now share with others in the same manner. Unfortunately, meteorites have not been like that - I was viewed with suspicion by some from the minute I arrived on the scene. Why? I don't know. Probably for the same reason someone is now talking crap about Michael Blood. Politics, cliques, gossip, and profiteering - much bigger issues in the meteorite world than the definition of a hammer. That's where I stand, even if it's not popular. Regards and clear skies, MikeG PS - despite all the politics, backbiting, and suspicion, I am still having a lot of fun collecting meteorites. So NEENER NEENER! :P LOL PSS - to the 5 or 6 people who have been straight up with me in our dealings, you have my sincerest thanks again. You know who you are. ;) :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New probable fall in Zimbabwe
I am sorry Listers... Darren... is this the only thing you have to say about the post from Svend ? Then, we could also be looking at some of our occidental world leaders... but lets not get into that... (I got enough already here in France) Nothing about the possible meteorite being the subject ? OK, the quoted article is colorful... but filled with an innocence (not naivety) which gives some fresh feel in our methodical/heavy scientifical laden occidental world ! Anyway Darren, I will check the Archives when I get some time... but beside TRYING to be a Sniper... what else do you propose here on the list ? I am new to the list, and refer only to your posts from March... Lets not event talk about our discussions over dowsing or whatever... I also now recall your post after Michael Blood posted some photos of newbies like me I can be quite cynical myself... but I hope you are just not frustrated ! Welcome and enjoy the list and discussions about meteorites ! :) All the best ! Michael B, France - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New probable fall in Zimbabwe On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:21:55 +0100, you wrote: The stone, many villagers now believe. is a gift from God Silly villagers. If it were a gift from God, it would have landed on Mugabe. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sterling K. Webb
Sorry List I got a great off list email from Sterling K. Webb Sent answer twice with 2 different email addresses, both rejected within minutes. So, Sterling or whoever knows him on the List, give me an email address I can respond to. It is the first time I encounter such problem here (on or off List) Thanks Michael B, France __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ?
Hi Carl, Since we already have a one-on-one email thing going here posted for the whole list to see, I hope you don't mind my jumping in with my 2 cents. To my way of thinking, Darren seems to be spot-on for the most part with his usually brief but informative posts, which are pretty much always meteorite related. And sometimes he's a little entertaining while at it. That's good. After reading Darren's posts for some years now, I haven't come to see his comments as bullying. Usually, its more of a case of pointing out something that stands out. Hope you don't take offense to my piping up here. Mike On Mar 19, 2009, at 3:13 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Darren, I have no idea who you are but from your posts I thought you of all people might know the difference between a meteorite classification and the study of a meteorites Cosmochemistry. Obviously you don't. Maybe you should try a Google search before you Try to make other people look stupid. The joke may be on you Mr. know-it-all Do you think I make this stuff up for your amusement? I know your not singling me out. You insult everybody. I do notice that none of your snide remarks ever do offer the list any thing of any significant value. You just remind me of a bully. that's all. . Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net wrote: On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 11:47:04 -0700, you wrote: This material has been shown to have a very odd cosmochemistry. So much so that scientists are unwilling to publish the results. http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=45817 Okay, some of you on the list have close ties with real meteorite scientists-- some of you ARE real meteorite scientists. Do any of you know anything about Carancas being anything other than the H4-4 ordinary chondrite that it is published to be? Anyone have very odd cosmochemistry results that you are unwilling to publish? (Whisper in our ear, we won't tell anyone.) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cosmic CollisionsTV update?
Michael Gilmer wrote: Is there any update on what happened to the 3-part TV series Cosmic Collisions ? Discovery Channel aired one part, but then nothing else - unless I went into a coma and missed it. Dear Mike: Thank you for your interest in our show. Funny you posted the question when you did, as I was just in touch with the producer that same day. As you know, one installment has already aired -- which was #3, I gather, and out of sequence (not that it matters apparently). The meteorite episode is #2 out of 3, and our production company informed me that they are expanding the hunting segment -- good news, right? : ) -- and they promised to advise me when an air date is locked. I will certainly post that news to the List when I have it. When I was first in negotiations with the company, I asked about a DVD release, and they said, yes, it's likely that a DVD will be issued for sale at some point in the future. This is the same company that produced the very enjoyable Meteors: Fire in the Sky, with Bob Haag, Carolyn Shoemaker and David Levy back in 2005, so we have high hopes for the new one. Steve #1 and I did three days on location with their crew in Kansas, and I did an additional one-day shoot in Tucson, jawing about what meteorites are, where they come from, and all that stuff you already know. Hopefully, one of these days, we'll actually get to see it. I've posted this before, but for any new List members who don't know what the heck we are talking about, you can see an on-location photo journal of the shoot here: http://www.aerolite.org/expeditions/brenham-2008/intro.htm All the best from Tucson, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoriteblog.org p.s. Mike -- what's up with my MySpace friend request. Check your mail there sir! : ) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Youtube trouble on West Texas videos
Hi all, Thought I'd ask if anyone else that uploads to youtube is having trouble with youtube counters. As soon as I made my West videos public the views climbed very fast (Thank You!) However, once they reached around 200 views each they stopped! Take a look http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sGQH0uFzcM http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvk7RoUihJ4 What the heck? I know many others have seen the videos since the counters stopped -it's been days... Plus, they've told me so. Anyway, what are the odds that the videos got 200 plus views the first day and then nothing? If anyone knows why this happened please let me know. Heck, for all I know I did something to cause it. Thanks, Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona Website: http://www.Mr-Meteorite.Net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] multicolored chondrules?
Hello Everyone, Could someone please explain to me how chondrules get to be multicolored. I sometime see dealer and re-sellers descriptions of meteorites as having multicolored chondrules. To my untrained eye, the multicolors look like varying degrees of oxidation. What colors are involved? Red? Green? Pink? Blue? Brown? What process produces this effect. Elemental composition? Terrestrial weathering? What? If it is not a byproduct of terrestrial weathering but is a characteristic of the stone itself, what does it mean in terms of the early formation of the solar system? Any comments would be greatly appreciated. -Walter Branch __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New probable fall in Zimbabwe
On Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:16:39 +0100, you wrote: Darren... is this the only thing you have to say about the post from Svend ? Then, we could also be looking at some of our occidental world leaders... but lets not get into that... (I got enough already here in France) Nothing much to say-- sounds very, very much like a real meteorite they are describing, but nobody will know for sure until they see photos or lab results. As for my comment-- 1.) it is called humor and 2.) Mugabe single-handedly turned one of the richest, most prospeous, best fed countries in Africa and turned it into one of the poorest countries on Earth with one of the highest inflation rates in history. Very few contemporary or historic world leaders have done the degree of damage this man has done. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FREE Gemjars
Hi List! I have 21 assorted gemjars available for free. I will ship them free of charge to anyone in the CONUS. Caveat - these are rejects. Some have scratches, some have cracks, many are missing the foam insert, and some have stickers or sticker residue on the bottom. I should probably throw them out, but I just can't bring myself to throw them away yet because maybe someone can use them. Most of the jars are the 1.25 diameter variety - with 2 smaller 1 jars and one of the larger 1.5 jars. If anyone can use these, contact me offlist. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Taken - Free Gem Jars
Hi List! The freebie gemjars are now taken. I am glad I offered them up instead of tossing them. :) Best regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ?
Off-list argument relisted because-- well, the content has great potential for much wise input from other list members. On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:11:45 -0700, you wrote: Lets back up a bit here. You know very well that my posts usually argue against what we think we know. I think there is an over average amount of guessing in meteoritics when compared to other Sciences. There are a great deal of things that we simply have no way of knowing. There is a well known photo of a meteorite sitting on Mars. We know its a meteorite because it looks just like they look on Earth. Why is that? Do they Ablate the same while traveling through Mars atmosphere? Answer-- no. Mars has a much, much, much thinner atmosphere than Earth. There will be ablation, but not to the same degree. this ablation question came up was to question whether or not we know what meteorites look like prior to entry into Earths atmosphere. Many asteroids have been imaged while in space. Some have been studied from close-up. Some small ones have been photographed very near earth. We know what THEY look like in space, and have no reason to assume that the ones that happen to intersect with Earth's orbit would look different from the others. Moreover, none of the asteroids we photograph in space have anything resembling a fusion crust, nor do we know a mechanism by which an asteroid is space would require a fusion crust. Moreover, even if a meteorite HAD a crust formed over it in space, the crust meteorites is composed of the same material of which the meteorite is composed (or an oxidized version of same) -- material with a melting point far below the temperature meteorites are known to experience as they pass through the atmosphere. Therefore, any crust formed in space would burn off during atmospheric entry. I mentioned this study to point out that not all material ablates to form a fusion crust that would change its appearance. That may be what you meant-- but it is NOT what you said. You said that ablation did not take place, which is not true. Not only were the samples ablated, but they were improperly placed on the heat shield so as to not be at the maximum heat point where they were supposed to be-- ablation would have been even higher (possibly complete) if the samples had been properly placed. AND at least one of the samples weren't properly assembled so as to protect the bacterial samples on the bottom (and who knows what happened to material lost completely): http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EPSC2008/00407/EPSC2008-A-00407-1.pdf at some point in their journey. And by the way the wind pressure while traveling out to space could have done this damage to the rocks. No. We cannot assume the ablation was caused by reentry at all. Yes, we can. In fact because no black crust appeared we can say that this experiment proved nothing about the actual cause of black crust at all. We know what causes the black crust-- melting of the meteorite's surface due to the heat of atmospheric friction. Maybe if they had fusion crust prior to reentry they would have ablated less? No. Because the fusion crust is made of the exact same material as the rest of the meteorite, with the same melting point. If anything, it would have began ablation MORE QUICKLY because the black crust would absorb more heat. Basic physics. looked like prior to entry. I went on to point out that we have all seem pictures of meteors fly across the sky only to re-exit our atmosphere. Okay, I'll give you that one. One of the rare meteoroids that enters the atmosphere deep enough to start ablating but then skips back into space likely has a fusion crust. A fusion crust formed by Earth's atmosphere, like other fusion crusts. survive while others dont. Maybe something else gives them this tough surface we call fusion crust? This is one of the questions I have . The fusion crust isn't tough-- it is a very thin, very fragile thing that weathers away very quickly if the meteorite isn't found and rescued from the weather. Another is why have we not figured out an easy way to authenticate whether a rock is even from space. And there never will be a easy way-- if it looks like a meteorite to someone who knows meteorites, well, then it can be tested. But any meteorite that looks just like an ordinary rock, in an area where you would expect to find ordinary rocks, will sit there forever without being tested. Moon rocks the only way to tell them apart is by chemical analysis. So, you find a rock from the moon with no crust all scientist assume it is from Earth. Not always true. As Randy Korotev himself pointed out once on the list when discussing possible lunar breccias, a lunar breccia will have random sized pieces (some very small, some very large) that are not rounded-- terrestrial sedementary breccias will usually have all the pieces of a similar size, with rounded surfaces. Look at photos of lunar breccias on google and you'll
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ?
Darren/All, The thinner atmosphere on Mars -- and the lower minimum atmospheric entry velocity due to its gravity -- should only mean that the modeling to produce surviving meteorites that look just like they look on Earth would be different for Mars re: entry velocities and angles, etc. Presumably this data already exists, and if anyone has seen it please pass it along... I believe fusion crust is created not only by the heat of atmospheric friction but also by the heat generated through high pressures, the latter generated by a column of molecules simply not having the time to get out of the way being rapidly compressed rather than smoothly displaced. Regardless, ablation is indeed a fact. Meteorites don't enter our atmosphere attached to spheres, and presumably that artificial contraption may have made for a different-than-typical result. Think horse, not zebra, and think Occam's Razor. There is no doubt much left to be learned, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. An open mind is essential, but I'm not sure a predisposition to assume the utterly remarkable is called for here just yet. I would also like to hear from potential resources who might be holding off on the publication of something fascinating; if memory serves, it was essentially the lack of agreement on the impact structure in Peru that led to the digging in of heels on opposing sides, but I was unaware that uncovered anomalies may not yet have been published and would very much like to learn more... All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:07 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas: Arsenic smell ? Off-list argument relisted because-- well, the content has great potential for much wise input from other list members. On Thu, 19 Mar 2009 20:11:45 -0700, you wrote: Lets back up a bit here. You know very well that my posts usually argue against what we think we know. I think there is an over average amount of guessing in meteoritics when compared to other Sciences. There are a great deal of things that we simply have no way of knowing. There is a well known photo of a meteorite sitting on Mars. We know it's a meteorite because it looks just like they look on Earth. Why is that? Do they Ablate the same while traveling through Mars' atmosphere? Answer-- no. Mars has a much, much, much thinner atmosphere than Earth. There will be ablation, but not to the same degree. this ablation question came up was to question whether or not we know what meteorites look like prior to entry into Earths atmosphere. Many asteroids have been imaged while in space. Some have been studied from close-up. Some small ones have been photographed very near earth. We know what THEY look like in space, and have no reason to assume that the ones that happen to intersect with Earth's orbit would look different from the others. Moreover, none of the asteroids we photograph in space have anything resembling a fusion crust, nor do we know a mechanism by which an asteroid is space would require a fusion crust. Moreover, even if a meteorite HAD a crust formed over it in space, the crust meteorites is composed of the same material of which the meteorite is composed (or an oxidized version of same) -- material with a melting point far below the temperature meteorites are known to experience as they pass through the atmosphere. Therefore, any crust formed in space would burn off during atmospheric entry. I mentioned this study to point out that not all material ablates to form a fusion crust that would change it's appearance. That may be what you meant-- but it is NOT what you said. You said that ablation did not take place, which is not true. Not only were the samples ablated, but they were improperly placed on the heat shield so as to not be at the maximum heat point where they were supposed to be-- ablation would have been even higher (possibly complete) if the samples had been properly placed. AND at least one of the samples weren't properly assembled so as to protect the bacterial samples on the bottom (and who knows what happened to material lost completely): http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/EPSC2008/00407/EPSC2008-A-00407-1.pdf at some point in their journey. And by the way the wind pressure while traveling out to space could have done this damage to the rocks. No. We cannot assume the ablation was caused by reentry at all. Yes, we can. In fact because no black crust appeared we can say that this experiment proved nothing about the actual cause of black crust at all. We know what causes the black crust-- melting of the meteorite's surface due to the heat of atmospheric friction. Maybe if they had fusion crust prior to reentry they would have ablated less? No. Because the fusion crust is
[meteorite-list] AD: Large Full Slices of 1, 673g West Specimen Available Now
Hello List, I am excited to offer the first large full slices of my 1,673g West, Texas specimen. Again, this stone was recovered (rescued) the day before the monsoon rains hit the strewnfield this last week. These slices were expertly cut by Marlin Cilz at the Montana Meteorite Lab with one of their wire saws. With many years of experience cutting meteorites, Marlin made some stellar slices. Due to the very fragile fusion crust, none of the slices preserved 100% of the crust unbroken all the way around. Possibly, if the slices were thicker, we would have had slightly better results, but due to the desire to keep these slices as thin as possible, the slices endured some chipping of the crust as the wire saw went through it. Nonetheless, these are amazing looking slices. The brecciation is very pronounced in these slices. Each full slice has a zone of light material, that stands in strong contrast to the zones with strong veining. With the end results of the two other known 1.5kg and 1.7kg masses still in question (whether they will be cut or not), it is possible that this might be the only chance for collectors to get a large full slice of this very popular fall. If the another piece is found, or if one of the other two known larger masses would be cut, it is a crap shoot on what their interiors will look like (heavily brecciated to not at all brecciated). Also, any rock that could be found after the strong rains, from this last week, has a much greater chance of severe rusting on the interior. On a side note, Marlin kept commenting on how these West specimen slices look EXACTLY like Peekskill. And he should know as he cut most of the Peekskill back in the day. With the end pieces, and the saw losses from the cutting, there will be less than 1kg of full slices that could make it to market from this mass. I chose to have this specimen cut to generate more slices, yet smaller in size, rather than fewer slices that would have been larger in size and weight (and price). This will allow more institutions and collectors to obtain a full slice for their collections, and at lower overall prices. While the mass is still being sliced from, Marlin told me that the 78.1g full slice offered here today will be the largest slice from this mass. While I would like to make as much profit as possible from the sales, I am pricing these to sell quickly. While I think these are worth more than what I am selling them for, I also understand some people will be hesitant to pay too much for a slice now, fearing more slices might show up later at a lower price. But even if another rain-avoided mass shows up in slices, I seriously doubt they will be offered much lower in price than what I am offering these for. NOTICE: If these first 8 slices sell out too fast, I reserve the right to raise the prices on the next batch of slices that come from the saw in the next few days. Also, this price is NOT for part slices or smaller full slices I have made from other smaller specimens. These prices are only for the first 8 full slices of the 1,673g Mass. Contact me off list if you would like more information on what is available. Also, if you are possibly interested a part slice from this mass, let me know as well. Steve Arnold **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219619459x1201345309/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Silver stuff on the West?
I have found another specimen with a pronounced silver 'line' http://outofabluesky.com/images/stories/stoneymeteorites/west15-1.jpg I really don't know what to make of it. In this new piece, its like its a silver blob that melted and oozed out of the tiny gash in the stone. I'm disinclined now to a post fall chemical reaction. Do take note of the oxidation effect the rain had on the stone. There is another specimen with silver 'blotches' on this page, the 29.5g piece. http://outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfoliocat=4project=46Itemid=58 Any good theories out there? -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Silver stuff on the West?
Hi McCartney, It looks like the West fall had a 'silver lining' after all!! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: McCartney Taylor mccart...@blackbearddata.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 1:19 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Silver stuff on the West? I have found another specimen with a pronounced silver 'line' http://outofabluesky.com/images/stories/stoneymeteorites/west15-1.jpg I really don't know what to make of it. In this new piece, its like its a silver blob that melted and oozed out of the tiny gash in the stone. I'm disinclined now to a post fall chemical reaction. Do take note of the oxidation effect the rain had on the stone. There is another specimen with silver 'blotches' on this page, the 29.5g piece. http://outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfoliocat=4project=46Itemid=58 Any good theories out there? -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Artificial Lunar Meteorites?
Sorry in advance if this is a double post but I'm not sure it went through the first time... I've got a few silly questions... Let's say you had a large canon powered by compressed air or some other high pressure gas. If you fired a projectile ( a moon rock ) from the surface of the moon toward Earth, would you be able to create enough force to reach escape velocity? If so, how long would it take for that projectile to reach Earth? Would the projectile continue to increase speed after leaving the barrel of the canon or does it stay at the velocity from which it leaves the barrel? If all these things were possible, and you were able to calculate velocity, trajectory, and the entry point into the Earth's atmosphere, would the stones survive the trip through our atmosphere? And/or how large would the projectile have to be to survive atmospheric entry? (I know this is a loaded question, please don't get caught up on this one, the next one is the question I'm really curious about) ;) And finally... If the projectile (moon rock) did survive all of this, would it be considered a meteorite? Scientifically speaking wouldn't this be an interesting experiment? Send a lander to the moon with a BIG canon and launch some moon rocks dude! ;) Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA --- In response to Dave Gheesling wrote: ...Meteorites don't enter our atmosphere attached to spheres, and presumably that artificial contraption may have made for a different-than-typical result All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com --- -- Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA http://www.meteoritesusa.com 904-236-5394 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Artificial Lunar Meteorites?
I've got a few silly questions... Let's say you had a large canon powered by compressed air or some other high pressure gas. If you fired a projectile ( a moon rock ) from the surface of the moon toward Earth, would you be able to create enough force to reach escape velocity? If so, how long would it take for that projectile to reach Earth? Would the projectile continue to increase speed after leaving the barrel of the canon or does it stay at the velocity from which it leaves the barrel? If all these things were possible, and you were able to calculate velocity, trajectory, and the entry point into the Earth's atmosphere, would the stones survive the trip through our atmosphere? And/or how large would the projectile have to be to survive atmospheric entry? (I know this is a loaded question, please don't get caught up on this one, the next one is the question I'm really curious about) ;) And finally... If the projectile (moon rock) did survive all of this, would it be considered a meteorite? Scientifically speaking wouldn't this be an interesting experiment? Send a lander to the moon with a BIG canon and launch some moon rocks dude! ;) Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA In response to Dave Gheesling wrote: ...Meteorites don't enter our atmosphere attached to spheres, and presumably that artificial contraption may have made for a different-than-typical result All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
