another
thing that would need to be approved by the community at large.
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on Friday (London)? You know.. tactile, real life. ;)
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relevant. The rel-tag simply gives that one link *additional* meaning
(it makes the link mean.. I'm a link, but more importantly, I'm also a
tag to give this page some context!).
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Website: a href=# class=urladdress to come/a
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On 13 Jul 2006, at 10:45, Frances Berriman wrote:
Ah okay, I'm with ya. Misunderstanding of that on my part, of the
type
value. Corrected now. Thanks.
Still don't really understand why
http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats
A friend of mine showed me this today. Macroformats, over Microformats.
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Thanks for the response, and the advice.
Frances
Tantek Çelik wrote:
On 7/19/06 8:37 AM, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://cafe.elharo.com/xml/must-ignore-vs-microformats
A friend of mine showed me this today. Macroformats, over Microformats.
The article
to tech.
It's just saying that the link is what's important, not the word it's
linked from.
So yes, you're right. If you had a tag of fish then you would want
the link to be technorati.com/tag/fish, but not in this example. :)
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/include.html
http://allinthehead.com/demo/include-verbose.html
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be a
problem, I assume?
I may be grabbing the wrong end of the stick, mind you.
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Chris Messina wrote:
So I had the question posed to me yet again:
Ok, we know we should do microformats... but we're not sure where to
start. Can you help us out?
Seeing as how I'm probably not alone here, I was going to create a
Getting started with microformats page when I discovered a bunch
@microformats.org
http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
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hAtom?
http://factoryjoe.com/blog/2006/08/06/wordpress-makes-a-move-towards-hatom-gets-upgrades/
Don't look now, but if I have my way, PeopleAggregator will be getting
on that bandwagon soon as well (out of the box).
Chris
On 8/23/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, that'll
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and all the tags we need?
Chris
On 9/22/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just curious - but why aren't we using the uF wiki?
On 9/22/06, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For the sake of discussion, I started a page of demos (done offline,
so I might be wrong in some of my
On 9/22/06, Chris Messina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
True -- but as we're in the proposal stage, it's not too bad...
however, we do need a tagcloud-brainstorming page on the wiki with all
of John's research.
True. :) imo, it's always valuable to have a page you can point to
with all the current
think that
is a good arguement for NOT doing it.
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On 10/3/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure. I didn't say you had to connect them in any way :P I was just
thinking from a maintenance of information point of view.
Ugh. Ignore. It generally helps if I read an email before I respond.
Anyway.
I assume he means that it's
http://microformats.org/mailman/listinfo/microformats-discuss
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On 10/6/06, Chris Ball [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frances Berriman said:
Another thing I'd like to see (and this may exist, but I've missed
it?) is a listing of formats that have been suggested and rejected for
whatever reason. It's fairly (barely) managable at the moment since a
person can
. It'll take us a
little while to filter all the information on to it, but many hands...
etc.
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are used liberally mostly as
examples of where to put the class names and what should be nested
within what. You should still use the correct semantic tags as are
suitable to what you're marking up, just as you would without
microformats.
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of the
spec is getting at there.
You CAN use it with hCard if you like (with class=vcard on the
address) - there's not a thing wrong with doing that. Tantek does,
for an example in the wild.
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variety of thoughts on wiki reorganization to reflect the wide
variety of use cases for the wiki.
Seconded. Spread the load a little between those of us that want to
help out, and it should get done in a way that'll suit the majority.
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://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005-June/13.html
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2005-November/001870.html
This has been previously codified on the wiki:
http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-faq#Should_I_use_ADDRESS_for_hCards
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I hope that clears things up
Thank you. It doesn't.
It's just word-play fun. Not a personal attack (which I assume is
what you're getting at, since you're taking personal
Just got this on my feeds;
http://www.w3.org/2006/10/grddl-pressrelease
(apologies if I sent this twice - I got a bounce back with an mistake once)
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.
:)
[1]http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#Q._I_would_like_to_author_a_new_microformats_open_standards_specification_for_my_site.2Fbusiness.__How_do_I_get_started.3F
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this would be cool for many situations, this is a software designers
job - not a microformats.
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individually, out of a total number of pages, rather
than as a range, makes total sense to me. So span
class=page14/span, span class=page16/span of span
class=category50/span. is fine. Start-page and end-page is a
bit too restrictive imho.
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On 11/14/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/14/06, Ross Singer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The only places I can really see them occurring are bookstore and
library catalogs -- do they really need to be included? What purpose
would it serve?
Academic paper citations require
), rather than
relying on the address.
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with a look up table) inferred from the digits alone. Even
cell/mobile phones are fixed to a country by their digits.
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, doesn't have slots for different
numbers in different countries (country, also, isn't a type). It
*does* rely on *me* knowing what's for what country.
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and the cell phone number)!) . :)
Hope that helps.
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On 11/14/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
div class=tel
Office: span class=typeWork/span span class=value+44 (0) 121
683 5151/span
Office: span class=typeCell/span span class=value+44 (0)
7710 623044/span
/div
Doh. Obviously not Office twice though, eh? Office#2=Mobile :)
It'd
walking out of the office door now, honest!). That would be
a smarter way to do things though for non-US terminology, I agree.
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way, I'd like to try and we'd know if existing formats WILL
work!). :)
But a more exact answer: Best way to get started is to find some
existing examples in the wild - not microformatted.
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? ;-)
Lets not (cross posting). Keep the discussion about mailing lists to
the mailing list thread.
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supplier./p
cite class=vcard reviewerspan class=fnJoe Bloggs/span, span
class=roleDirector of Stuff/span, span class=orgPartner
Company/span abbr class=dtreviewed title=20061116T1537Nov 16,
2006/abbr/cite
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Thanks guys,
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down into proposals etc. Of
course discussing other similar proposals is suitable :)
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but that's about it. Sorry :(
What's does your result look like (with the extra commas)?
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these with existing formats (if at all - can't
simple Question/Answers be marked with definition lists alone?).
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useful maps of information
from these relationships difficult.
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that they were not
originally comfortable with broadcasting. It's personal choice, and
all optional. ;)
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something a little more solid.
[1]http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-July/004942.html
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On 29/12/06, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The concept of being able to mark something as unsafe, mature, NSFW,
etc. *does* keep cropping back up though - so this may point to either
the need to explain and introduce/encourage people to use the
resolution suggested previously (i.e
archives though.
The content-rating got listed under rejected-formats instead [1].
[1]http://microformats.org/wiki/rejected-formats#Content_Rating
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read my follow up response on that thread, the deletion is
explained a little more. I don't think this new thread is especially
warranted.
It was literally a format that came and went in about 24 hours, iirc!
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to be turning out to be the marker for this particular need.
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On 03/01/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
On 03/01/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
2) The answer to your first two, tautological, questions (and by
implication your last) is contained in my post
gone through all of that, you know that a) the microformat is actually
a valid one and will solve a problem and b) accurate!
Take a look at this:
http://microformats.org/wiki/process
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hard
for anyone else to have any input and help/give feedback.
Tell us about what you've found, though! This is for discussion, yes.
So that's a good place to start. :)
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the photo of
your card, and whether you want to do this inline especially.
Anyone else like to chime in? I'm not totally sure here.
[1] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-issues
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to the relevant discussion or explanation
on the problem.
(So, if anyone has moved things, would they be so kind as to maybe go
back and jot down why they moved it, please?)
It's difficult for someone else to come along later and figure out why
it was moved, otherwise.
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have an implementation
idea and this would come in really handy.
Hi Ara! :)
What's your implementation idea? May be the case that extending
vote-links isn't necessary (and reuse is always the first port of
call).
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of the Month not just use rev=vote-for? As in - this
site voted for me.
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On 18/01/07, Ben Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 18 Jan 2007, at 15:49, Frances Berriman wrote:
Could Sites of the Month not just use rev=vote-for? As in - this
site voted for me.
Wrong way around Frances, I think.
• rev=vote-for — 'this site is a vote for the href'
• rel=vote-for — 'href
/html401/struct/links.html#adef-rel
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Lawrence,
You might want to add appropriate links to the Examples in the Wild
sections of the microformats you've used in your site. (e.g. [1])
Will take a look at your site as soon as I find a few minutes. :)
[1]http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Examples_in_the_wild
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+1 from me as well.
Can we gauge wider support for this addition? Any problems from anyone?
+1
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://www.wikipedia.com/skydiving; rel=tagsky diving/a and
a href=http://www.wikipedia.com/happy; rel=taghappy/a about
it).
Noticed someone's already mentioned GEO for actual location
formatting, so I won't again. :)
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=tag moodhappy/a be better?
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On 31/01/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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As for an activity (if this is what you may be suggesting by
presense), the same would apply (is currently a
href=http://www.wikipedia.com/skydiving; rel=tagsky diving
://microformats.org/wiki/process
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working with microformats. Though who
wish to research and discuss possible new microformats should take
those discussions to microformats-new.
Thanks,
ryan
Would it be worthwhile to draw attention to this list on the blog for
those that only follow that, or get just the digests?
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). Then you've got hCalendar for
marking up sporting events...
So yeah - using microformats to expose this data is probably very
suitable and there is likely to be a good foundation already in
existance to build something more accurate on to start with.
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On 13/02/07, Rob Crowther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13/02/07, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just off the top of my head, you might think about combining hCard and
hReview to describe a player and their abilities (or maybe even
hResume for their sporting careers).
Both could
- they
might be in hCard already, but under used. It's true that hCard is
geared up to be a fully fledged contact card, but the minimal, only
required field, is only ever fn, so it's really quite light if you
choose it to be.
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).
If you're not already subscribed, you can find out more here:
http://microformats.org/discuss/#new
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onto it. Thanks!
For -new - Original thread began here:
http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-February/008671.html
[1]http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-lists#microformats-new
[2]http://microformats.org/discuss/
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this discussion to the microformats-new list, which is
specifically for the exploration and discussion of new microformats:
http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-lists#microformats-new
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wrong/incorrectly implemented examples of current
microformats specifications. There's a certain degree of education
that'll have to happen with adoption.
Having said that - yes, I do agree that we should encourage as many
accurate implementations as possible, of course!
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-new mailing list[2], rather than this -discuss
list.
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[1]http://microformats.org/wiki/recipe-examples
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, please correct on that
page.
Can I also mention that this thread would be best suited to the
microformats-new mailing list? [1] The idea is to keep creation noise
on this list to a minimum.
Thank you,
[1]http://microformats.org/wiki/mailing-lists#microformats-new
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to disambiguate, it's
highly confusing for it to stem from microformats (even if though they
are POSH) and probably a bit counter-intuitive!
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and straight-forward as
possible with minimal use of too many technical terms and random
acronyms.
*apologies if I'm starting to a little off-topic. :)
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On 07/05/07, Ara Pehlivanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/7/07, Charles Iliya Krempeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
If you really have to make up a new name... then how about... SHTML.
(Short for Semantic HTML.)
(It's similar in vein to XHTML.)
SHTML is... Simple, to the point, and
, or anything other than
Semantic HTML :) ). There's no harm in drumming in the semantic
part as being of great importance by explicitely stating it in that
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and see if it's
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plain old semantic html...but even that is
talking to developers and advanced content producers.
I've said it before, but I don't think there's any need to reiterate
what semantic HTML for is via *another* name, for developers. POSH is
bad enough.
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, then start top discuss renaming
them...
We should think long and hard about whether that's a good idea.
Agreed. I'd prefer the approach of seeing what people who aren't us
want to do with them and call them, first.
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On 28/06/07, Jon Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Frances Berriman wrote:
[...] As is the microformats
principle, perhaps we should see what turns up naturally in the wild
as the way people describe such pages and go with that as a guide.
Maybe this is over simplistic but my mum understands
On 04/07/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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On 04/07/07, Thom Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What would be the way to markup a hCard as being the definitive hCard on
a page. For example the page owner or author
On 12/07/07, Andy Mabbett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, July 12, 2007 10:37, Frances Berriman wrote:
On 12/07/07, David Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Guillaume Lebleu wrote:
What would be the suggested best practice to make this human-readable
content machine-readable as well?
Ok
.
There's technorati and pingerati of course, and dopplr lets you add
friends by entering a url with XFN on it.
Any more?
Implementations [1] is always a good place to start.
[1]http://microformats.org/wiki/implementations
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Yeah, that's right. I've found that many people tend to just use
published though (myself included), and forego ever using updated.
What're you having problems with?
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On 10/09/2007, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 10/09/2007, Michael Smethurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Just a quick question to ask whether hatom requires an updated?
http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Schema
says it is
http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Entry_Updated
for
authors.
As for the inconsistency - I'm not sure to be honest. I assume it's
an over-sight on the contributors part. If no one has any clear
reason why it should say one thing in one place, and another somewhere
else, then I'd advise it to be clarified to match our conversation
here.
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On 10/09/2007, David Janes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 9/10/07, Frances Berriman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Aye - it's that slip of the tongue which seems all too common when
discussing posting dates that causes the confusion, in my opinion.
Published and updated tend to be rather
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