Re: local user can peek on key being set by ifconfig(8)

d line, then I'd have to hack up an expect script to fake "keyboard" input of the key in each such case. So I strongly prefer retaining scriptability here. ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy & IUCSS, Indiana University, Bl

Re: status of ACPI suspend/resume on Thinkpad T60 w/ T7200 processor?

sa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 aps0 at isa0 port 0x1600/31 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support ugen0 at uhub4 port 2 "STMicroelectronics Biometric Coprocessor" rev 1.00/0.01 addr 2 vscsi0 at root scsibus2 at vscsi0: 256 targets softraid0 at root root on sd0a swap on sd0b dump on sd0b scsibus3 at softraid0: 1 ta

status of ACPI suspend/resume on Thinkpad T60 w/ T7200 processor?

..]] > OpenBSD 4.8-current (GENERIC.MP) #591: Tue Oct 19 11:45:02 MDT 2010 > dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP Does suspend/resume work on T60 as of 4.9-{release,stable}? -current? ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg Dept of Astronomy & IUCSS, Ind

can't create softraid crypto volume

n top of a disk partition? Is there a FM I should R to be enlighted (beyond softraid(4) and bioctl(8) which I've already read)? thanks, ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "Washing

Re: Need Advice: Thinkpad T60 or T61?

esolution * NOT widesreen * 14" or 15" screen which seems to point to T40 or T60 series. Are the T60 series any more reliable than the T40 series? -- -- Jonathan Thornburg Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "Washing one's hands of the conflic

Re: laptop disk shows wierd contents when moved to external enclosure

7;d let a full week elapse. Bad Jonathan.) 2. Spare disk partitions. The last time I set up a windoze laptop for my wife, I left a spare partition. That made it easy to set up silver... ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, In

Re: laptop disk shows wierd contents when moved to external enclosure

: addr 1: full speed, self powered, config 1, UHCI root hub(0x), Intel(0x8086), rev 1.00 port 1 powered port 2 powered # Comparing the output with and without the external disk enclosure plugged in shows that the entry for the external disk is the one for /dev/usb1 port 1 addr 3. ciao, -

laptop disk shows wierd contents when moved to external enclosure

Oct 15 16:01 ./ # ls -la # echo * echo: No match. # This partition (the "a" one) should be an FFS filesystem containing nitrogen's root partition. nitrogen's dmesg: --- begin dmesg --- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:39:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan Thornburg To: dm...@openbsd.org

Re: way to help: laptops and weekly

is a cron with flexible-enough specification semantics (a.k.a. "crontab on steroids") so a human can tell cron what the ok-to-run times are. Alas, I am *not* vounteering to write such a program at this time (way too much "life" happening already), so in the OpenBSD spirit, I h

Re: way to help: laptops and weekly

stuff". Perhaps a new option to /sbin/shutdown? -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "If the triangles made a god, it would have three sides." -- Voltaire

rename(2) man page (was: Re: OpenSMTPd actual development and integration)

implied to knowledgable readers, and thus need not be explicitly stated? -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "Most investment bankers' [...] idea of a long-term investment is thi

Re: What does your environment look like?

alk to one of my officemates. My screen had my usual layout plus a gnuplot window displaying a graph in gnuplot's default first-plot color (red). My boss glanced at the screen, and said (deadpan) "Jonathan, your monitor's broken." I though that was very funny... -- -- "Jon

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

or a 4.6-stable install, which should happen very soon...] ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "If the triangles made a god, it would have three sides." -- Voltaire

Re: Dual boot stable and current

doing! Playing around with partitions this way works fine if you do things correctly, but mistakes can easily scramble your disk (more accurately, the data on it). In particular, don't try this until you grok the FMs disklabel(8), fstab(5), installboot(8). And have a full backup *before*

are setuid-root perl scripts considered insecure?

ity risk for setuid-root perl scripts that I've missed? ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "C++ is to programming as sex is to reproduction. Better ways might technically exist but they're not nearly as much fun." -- Nikolai Irgens

Whitfield Diffie hearts OpenBSD for security

ms carefully configured. ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "C++ is to programming as sex is to reproduction. Better ways might technically exist but they're not nearly as much fun." -- Nikolai Irgens

svnd vs softraid for encrypting /home et al

ble > to restore. softraid stores the salt with the raidinfo, so you > whatever you're doing for backup, you aren't as likely to omit it. Are there other FMs I should R to learn more? ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronom

Re: Secure way to delete data in hard disc

e easily recognizable as such, rather than looking like random noise. Good crypto results in in the on-disk data before "secure deletion" looking like random noise, so it should make data-recovery harder. (To get any useful information, data-recovery would then have to be followed by som

Re: laptop suspend and battery runs dry

fatal hardware failures). I wonder what's going on here? ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side

Re: chown

his USB stick to exchange files with Windows/Mac users. Indeed, find|grep|wc reveals that of the 593 files on this USB stick, 473 have at least one blank in their filename. Hmm, it seems the whole batch of photos my wife downloaded from the camera during our last vacation have blanks in their fil

Re: svnd is incredible slow... somebody else notice that?

any particular slowdown relative to my previous laptop system. (Though I haven't made any quantitative tests.) ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "Washing one's hands of the conf

Re: Multiple obsd installations on one harddrive

and then Sorry, that was a read error on /dev/brain. What I should have written was In other words, at the "(I)nstall, (U)pgrade or (S)hell?" prompt, type "s" to get a shell. My apologies for the confusion. ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to repl

Re: Multiple obsd installations on one harddrive

on the wd0d partition. Important: Don't try this unless you know what you're doing! Playing around with partitions this way works fine if you do things correctly, but mistakes can easily scramble your disk (more accurately, the data on it). In particular, don't try this until y

Re: the fdisk man page and the fdisk behaviour

I bought new in October 2008. Needless to say, OpenBSD installed without a hitch on this disk, and runs fine: % dmesg|grep wd0 wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: wd0: 16-sector PIO, LBA48, 152627MB, 312581808 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 5 root on wd0a swap on

Re: Gnuplot, Mediawiki, and OpenBSD

d a shell command prompt. -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means

4.4-stable Thinkpad T42 sometimes hangs in suspend-to-ram

slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt2 at isa0 port 0x3bc/4: polled aps0 at isa0 port 0x1600/31 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reporte

Re: Backup strategies

xygen/home/jonathan/ This works fine except that the --exclude options are not honored (files under those directories are still copied). I don't know what's wrong there... -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Blo

Re: FTDI support?

erial Converter(0x6001), FTDI(0x0403), rev 4.00, iSerialNumber FTDGFM4H # -- -- From: "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the

Re: laptop choice

whether it's i386 or amd64? * what OpenBSD version you're using? * whether suspend-to-RAM works? Thanks 1L<<20, ciao, -- -- From: "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" Dept of Astronomy, Indiana University, Bloomington, Indiana, USA "Wa

Re: 4.4 arriving in the U.S.

4.4 arrived here today (Tue 14.Oct) in Bloomington, Indiana.

Re: svnd questions (encrypting all of a partition or disk)

aps I'm being overly agressive in my disk-space optimization... but I've been using computers for 30+ years, and every disk I've ever used has reached an equilibrium of "over-full", so an easy 5-10% is tempting... -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to rep

svnd questions (encrypting all of a partition or disk)

m) -- with the imagefile preallocated (step [5]), is there any benefit to a nonzero minimum free space threshold? 7. How worried should I be about bug kernel/5709 "rapidly creating many small files on crypted svnd locks box", which as of a few minutes ago was/is shown as i

swap-encryption paper missing from www/index.html

A web-site glitch: The paper Neils Provos "Encrypting Virtual Memory" http://www.openbsd.org/papers/swapencrypt.ps is missing from the "OpenBSD related pre3sentations & papers" index page http://www.openbsd.org/papers/index.html ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg

Re: Encrypted filesystems

ree basis, so doesn't care about the filesystem size. I've been using cfs for about 15 years (first 7 on SunOS, last 8 on OpenBSD), and am generally happy with it. -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> School of Mathematics, U of S

Re: openbsd multiboot

et. > all unharmed. Is there really no way to do that, other than by typing it > on the boot prompt? > > Alternatively, is there a way to safely switch labels in the > labeleditor, so that wd0a would become wd0d and vice versa? -- -- "Jonat

Re: openbsd multiboot

then) laptop's video board, so I couldn't configure X. I "solved" the problem by reverting to my 2nd set of partitions and staying at 4.0 for another 6 months, then finally persuading my employer to get me a new laptop (which X.org grokked). ciao, -- -- From: "Jonatha

Re: using openbsd to make presentations

ther than enabling 'apm -H' when I give the talk. I could imagine a fancy viewer pre-rendering in the background while previous pages are being displayed, but absent a lot of caching (= potentially big memory usage) that scenario would still fall down in Pau's case where [[...]] > so

Re: gettimeofday() dramatical slowdown from 4.1->4.2

chronize with) external devices in the kernel timecounter code. Yours for nanoseconds, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> School of Mathematics, U of Southampton, England "Floating point numbers are like sandpiles; every time you move one you lose a little sand and pick up a little dirt" -- Victor Vyssotsky

is it ok for /bsd to be a symlink to /bsd.4.2-stable.2008mar07 (or whatever)?

ar as 2.8 or so) and have not had any problems. On the other hand, I haven't found any statement in 'man boot' or the FAQ about symlinks being ok, so a confirmation that it's ok (or a heads-up if there be daemons lurking) would be welcome. thanks, -- -- "Jonathan Thornbu

Re: openbsd router hardware

the serial-port lines. These come with Windoze drivers, and aren't going to work on OpenBSD. The way to spot them is that they say "works with Windoze XXX", and don't mention macs or linux systems. ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg -- remove -animal to reply" <[E

Re: no 4.2-stable package updates??

phs from section 15.2.8 of the FAQ. Comments? ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg (remove -animal to reply) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> School of Mathematics, U of Southampton, England "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the

no 4.2-stable package updates??

ep -stable packages up to date with security fixes? ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg (remove -animal to reply) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> School of Mathematics, U of Southampton, England "Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the powerless means to side wi

why is /var/named/standard/root.hint not updated in -stable?

.2-stable, originally installed via 'make release' on my main system, and I'm trying to figure out what to update on the firewall. Given the above cvs-update logs, I clearly need to update the firewall's kernel and /usr/sbin/named, but what about the firewall's /var/named/

Re: Machine will not recover from 'deep sleep' state [ IBM Thinkpad T41 ]

ed. estimated battery life 100% Dec 1 13:31:22 helium apmd: battery status: high. external power status: connec ted. estimated battery life 96% (163 minutes) Dec 1 14:05:34 helium apmd: system resumed from APM sleep Dec 2 11:11:37 helium apmd: system resumed from APM sleep Dec 2 12:00:01 helium syslogd

Re: Machine will not recover from 'deep sleep' state [ IBM Thinkpad T41 ]

In message , Pau Amaro-Seoane wrote > the "suspend via terminal" technique comes back always... I had four > crashes when suspending from X and don't want to play further with > fire, even if I added sync to the most important partitions, with

Re: OpenBSD in the webcomic XKCD

pset). I wound up staying at the last XFree86 -stable relase for another year, until my employer bought a new batch of laptops... ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg (remove -animal to reply) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> School of Mathematics, U of Southampton, England "Washing one's

Re: how best to handle DNS on firewalled home network?

;" in /etc/rc.conf.local * Several people mentioned that having the firewall's named *cacheing* DNS entries will also improved reliability (since ISP nameservers are often flakey). One person also mentioned that s/he uses uses opendns.com instead of ISP nameservers. Again, my

how best to handle DNS on firewalled home network?

hat do other people do about DNS in firewalled home networks? thanks for any advice, wisdom, tips-n-tricks, etc, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg (remove -animal to reply) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> School of Mathematics, U of Southampton, England "Washing one's hands of the co

Re: ThinkPad T41p suspend is fine from console, hangs from X

ay0 pms0 at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt2 at isa0 port 0x3bc/4: polled aps0 at isa0 port 0x1600/31 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 ir

Re: support for USB compact flash readers?

't see these specifically listed on the OpenBSD "supported hardware" list on http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html , only a generic mention of "USB Mass Storage devices, i.e., USB floppy drives and USB memory stick controllers (umass)". Does this latter phrase include

support for USB compact flash readers?

gt; * ATA cards (wdc, wd, sd, cd), including: [[...]] > o CF/ATA flash cards and disk drives which I interpret as describing (b). But I'm less certain about (a)... thanks, ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg (remove -animal to reply) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> School of Mathematics, U

Re: ThinkPad T41p suspend is fine from console, hangs from X

# [] Identifier "Card0" # Driver "ati" Driver "vesa" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" ## Jonathan edits ## BoardName "M10 NT [FireGL Mobility T2]" ## BusID "PCI:1:0:0" EndSection S

Re: ThinkPad T41p suspend is fine from console, hangs from X

7;t yet tried, but plan to try soon, is to set up an explicit 'xorg.conf' (eg there's a T41p configuration on the OpenBSD laptops page http://www.openbsd.org/i386-laptop.html which gives one), and see if this helps. ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg -- remove -animal to reply" &l

Re: ThinkPad T41p suspend is fine from console, hangs from X

7460315701&w=1>, James Hartley suggested: > You might look at tphdisk. Thanks for the tip. Looking at the documentation, though, that seems to address a different issue, namely getting suspend-to-disk to work. My current issue is suspend-to-RAM... ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg

ThinkPad T41p suspend is fine from console, hangs from X

at pckbc0 (aux slot) pckbc0: using irq 12 for aux slot wsmouse0 at pms0 mux 0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 midi0 at pcppi0: spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt2 at isa0 port 0x3bc/4: polled aps0 at isa0 port 0x1600/31 npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 fdc0 at isa0 port 0x3f0/6 irq 6 drq 2 bi

Re: Is OpenBSD good/best for my 486?

7;t bothered. My only worry in the past has been how to install patches quickly, since rebuilding from source is a bit slow (I typed 'make build' 2 days ago, and it's still running...). I like Nick Holland's suggestion <http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=117453369215436&

Lenovo Thinkpad T43p won't do external VGA output properly

# [] #Option "AccelMethod" # Identifier "Card0" Driver "ati" VendorName "ATI Technologies Inc" BoardName "M22 [Radeon Mobility M300]" BusID "PCI:1:

any experience with UNO-2160 "Universal Network Controller"?

have any experience with OpenBSD on one of these boxen? The specifications at http://www.elektronik-systeme.psoft.at/Advantech/UNO2160.pdf and further ones found via google say that the network ports use a Realtek 8139 chipset, so they should be ok. thanks, ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg -

Re: Lenovo notebooks

; (instead of the default 'Thinkpad LCD'). The machine then boots normally (with the console display), but when I start X the builtin display is blank and 1280x1024 video is sent to the external connector. My usual 'xterm -fn 7x14 -fg white -bg black' is really ugly in this vide

Re: Oldest Server you run

MHz, 40MB memory) sitting in a crate. Someday I'd like to put OpenBSD on it just for old-times sake (it ran SunOS from when I bought it used in 1993 up to when I shut it off in 2001)... ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg -- remove -animal to reply" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Pl

odd behavior in pf log: outgoing ntp blocked, no incoming nastygrams

\ from {localhost, $addr_us} \ keep state (I realise that leaving logging on like this risks a DOS if there are a lot of blocked packets. Normally I leave logging off, for just this reason.) thanks for any insights, ciao, -- -- Jonathan Tho

Re: gcc 4.1.1 (= latest release) does not work on OpenBSD 3.9

I wrote > OpenBSD 3.9 suplies {gcc,g++,g77} 3.3.5 with propolice as part of the > base OS install (they live in /usr/bin). Oops, my mistake, I should have written "On i386," at the start of that sentence. Other platforms use different gcc versions... ciao, -- -- Jonathan T

gcc 4.1.1 (= latest release) does not work on OpenBSD 3.9

org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=28582 ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitationsphysik (Albert-Einstein-Institut), Golm, Germany, "Old Europe" http://www.aei.mpg.de/~jthorn/home.html "Washing one's

Re: encrypting files

cations/login/2004-08/pdfs/howard.pdf for some recent cryptanalysis work) * it's pretty close to unmaintained now -- the cfs-users mailing list seems to have been dead for several years :( ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitations

Re: (PC video card memory aperture !=0) =>OS Rootability?

eruser has about 6.02e23 different ways to take over the system, so adding one more is of little interest. This "attack" is trivially preventable by not allowing malicious persons to become superuser in the first place, indeed by not giving them logins. ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thorn

Re: advantages/disadvantages of kernel pppoe(4) vs userland pppoe(8)?

15 pcmcia1 at pcic0 controller 0 socket 1 pcic0: irq 9, polling enabled biomask 4040 netmask 4048 ttymask 52ca pctr: no performance counters in CPU dkcsum: wd0 matched BIOS disk 80 root on wd0a rootdev=0x0 rrootdev=0x300 rawdev=0x302 thanks, ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

advantages/disadvantages of kernel pppoe(4) vs userland pppoe(8)?

nfiguration? * reliability? ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg (remove -animal to reply)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitationsphysik (Albert-Einstein-Institut), Golm, Germany, "Old Europe" http://www.aei.mpg.de/~jthorn/home.html "

Re: heads up about filesystem troubles

. The next snapshot will not upgrade the superblock and will simply use the old format. You are encouraged to move away from any snapshot installed in the last 2 weeks. that these changes *only* went into -current, and did *not* go into -stable? thanks, ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg <[EM

Re: plotting 2 & 3-d graphs of data with C

OpenBSD. ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg -- remove -animal to reply" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitationsphysik (Albert-Einstein-Institut), Golm, Germany, "Old Europe" http://www.aei.mpg.de/~jthorn/home.html "Washing one's hands of the

mirror site directory layout doesn't match OpenBSD web pages?

o have any such directory/symlink -- OpenBSD lives over in /unix/OpenBSD/ . Is this a bug in the web pages, a bug in the mirror setup, or a bug in my understanding? ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitationsphysik (Albert-Einstein-Institut),

Re: memory allocation for large datasets

p;m=111785832810606&w=1 So unless this has been fixed (eg at the recent hackathon), you may have to abandon OpenBSD to get really large data+bss+heap sizes. :( :( ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitationsphysik (Albert-Einstein-Institut), G

Re: 3.7-release: X.org dies with signal 11 on startup (3.5-stable XFree86 is fine on same hardware)

nBSD 3.6-stable (which works fine and is still supported). ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg -- remove -animal to reply" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitationsphysik (Albert-Einstein-Institut), Golm, Germany, "Old Europe" http://www.aei.mpg.de/~jt

is 3.5 still supported?

e above example, the 3.4-stable branch came to an end with 3.6-release, and the 3.5-stable branch came to an end with 3.7-release -- old releases are typically supported up to two releases back. ] ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitati

Re: Sun ELC?

D on it. :) For general old-Sun-hardware help, you might try the suns-at-home mailing list, http://www.net-kitchen.com/~sah/ . ciao, -- -- Jonathan Thornburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Max-Planck-Institut fuer Gravitationsphysik (Albert-Einstein-Institut), Golm, Germany, "Old Europe

Re: Safe development

t laptop disk is 30+ GB, 2 or 3 GB for a duplicate OpenBSD is (IMHO) a trivial price. Of course, YMMV. Don't try this scheme unless you're reasonably familiar with the OpenBSD booting system, /etc/fstab, installboot, mount, and other such commands. ciao, -- -- "Jonathan Thornburg (rem

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