Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread L
Karthik Kumar wrote: Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not allow them to be redistributed with the system. You are talking of free as in freedom and not price, right? If the whole point was to avoid paying $$$ in OpenBSD, my bad. The GNG foundation

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread L
Karthik Kumar wrote: It's been a while since I removed links on that page. And for the information I very much use OpenBSD. Maybe I should change the title to Free as in beer OSes. No. Free is free. Free as in beer is unethical to children who view the website and wonder what beer tastes

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:28:53AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 12:26 AM, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 5, 2008 11:28 PM, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I represent neither FSF nor OpenBSD. I probably represent the community which listens to the

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:42:16AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not allow them to be redistributed with the system. You are talking of free as in freedom and not price, right? If the whole point was to avoid paying $$$ in

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/5/08, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does ReactOS recommend non-free software? If so. please show me what it says, and the URL. I have a better idea. Why don't you do your own fucking homework.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Rico Secada
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 20:14:27 +0100 Jacob Grydholt Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're missing the point why somebody is calling OpenBSD non-free. Or supposedly why emacs runs on non-free. And you apparently missed the posts where the leading developers of OpenBSD stated that they don't

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Gregg Reynolds

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/5/08, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I said everybody, I meant Everybody. Not one person. Applying the same to OpenBSD, all that the people here do is bitch about and nothing more. Yeah, I noticed that too. Why, they haven't provided me with a free upgrade for, what 2, 3

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/5/08, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no such thing as free as in beer. This is one of the dumbest analogies I have ever heard. Who came up with it anyway? Was it the Thank you. But, like all good political slogans, it is stupid like a fox: the hucksters who push it

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Shane J Pearson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 06/01/2008, at 3:28 AM, Karthik Kumar wrote: If you don't mind users using non-free software, you shouldn't be putting the 'Free. ' in 'Free. Functional. Secure.' Huh? OpenBSD is built from free software and allows users the freedom to do

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Duncan Patton a Campbell
On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:28:39 -0800 (PST) Reid Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well OpenBSD is fine here. But, are you sure about RMS? Because he has been contradicting himself all over the place in this thread alone. Richard appears to be falling into a single point of failure setup. Its

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 6, 2008 1:06 AM, Reid Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use of non-free software is highly harmful to your computer and ethics. Please cite a piece of software that can harm my computer merely

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Reid Nichol
--- Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand the goals that are not written on that page: do what you like and fight for what you believe in. Goals are just text written in a stupid web page until you live up to them. Which OpenBSD does. You have failed to show otherwise. We do

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
On 1/5/08, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does ReactOS recommend non-free software? If so. please show me what it says, and the URL. I have a better idea. Why don't you do your own fucking homework. Oh come now. You can't expect a hypocrite to do homework that undermines

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, Jan 05, 2008 at 08:39:35PM -0600, Duncan Patton a Campbell wrote: On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 17:28:39 -0800 (PST) Reid Nichol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well OpenBSD is fine here. But, are you sure about RMS? Because he has been contradicting himself all over the place in this thread

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Karthik Kumar
On Jan 6, 2008 1:22 AM, Jacob Grydholt Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05/01/2008, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use ports. I am not dumb. :P The goals do not specify to encourage people to use non-free software, but I see that happening anyway. And so what? I think you

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Siju George
On Jan 5, 2008 11:51 PM, Karthik Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then you are misunderstanding OpenBSD's goals which are clearly stated at the link I provided you and that you obviously failed to read. I understand the goals that are not written on that page: do what you like and fight for

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Karthik Kumar
There is no such thing as free as in beer. This is one of the dumbest analogies I have ever heard. Who came up with it anyway? Was it the FSF by any chance? A guy called it 'Free as in Sex' here. Blame him for the next dumbest term. :P By now if you have been carefully studying you

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-05 Thread Karthik Kumar
On Jan 6, 2008 4:25 AM, Gilles Chehade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jan 06, 2008 at 01:42:16AM +0530, Karthik Kumar wrote: Firmware are not free enough when they have a license that does not allow them to be redistributed with the system. You are talking of free as in freedom and

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/3/08, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm following the same principles that I apply to others. I've explained both these principles and my actions; the readers can judge all aspects for themselves. I guess I missed the part where you explained how it makes sense to apply a

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Jacob Grydholt Jensen
On 04/01/2008, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the same with your recommended system GNU/Darwin: http://www.gnu-darwin.org/index.php?page=ports Who also contains instructions to install the such port system. Thank you for telling me about this problem. I will

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Craig Skinner
On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 11:02:09AM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: Richard, you are too stupid to go and learn FACTS before you open your big fat lying mouth. Since you did it three times so rapidly, I am calling you a liar. And since you refuse to undo your commercial support in

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message
[This message was generated by an automated system.] I am not on vacation, but I am at the end of a long time delay. I am located somewhere on Earth, but as far as responding to email is concerned, I appear to be well outside the solar system. After your message arrives at gnu.org, I will

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On Dec 14, 2007 9:49 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You *can't relicense* code under your choice without the author consent period! That BSD license gives permission for almost any kind of use, including distributing the code under other licenses. I don't think so. The

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Sunnz
2008/1/4, David Vasek [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Sounds like he is hiding somewhere in Tora Bora. Regards, David Actually I got that message in a private conversation with him as well, he do reply within 48 hours time frame so I don't think he is hiding in Tora Bora. -- Please avoid sending me

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread David Vasek
On Fri, 4 Jan 2008, Richard M. Stallman - Autoreply Message wrote: [This message was generated by an automated system.] I am not on vacation, but I am at the end of a long time delay. I am located somewhere on Earth, but as far as responding to email is concerned, I appear to be well outside

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Ray Percival
On Jan 4, 2008, at 14:26, Ted Unangst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 4, 2008 1:22 AM, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Otherwise why should he repeatedly say some thin that is not proprietary as proprietary even after being informed by tedu and others? Because for me it is

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
The wget he uses is worse. You can download any non-free software with it and it does not warn the user at all!!! I don't object to general-purpose tools just for being general.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
Before you argue that ReactOS is merely a free implementation of Win32 API, let me clarify: if the purpose of ReactOS isn't to run some Windows-only software S, then what is the purpose of ReactOS? if S was free, it wouldn't be Windows-only as it would have ported to free OS's.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
My favorite organization, the FSF, was not involved. If any of my friends were involved, they did not inform me. Good friends you have then. More likely they aren't my friends. You may have noticed that the Linux developers disagree with my philosophy. I know very few of

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-04 Thread Richard Stallman
http://directory.fsf.org/project/Windows32API/ http://directory.fsf.org/project/wxwindows/ http://wxwindows.org/about/credits.htm see the acknowledgment from one of the softwares endorsed by FSF your favourite organization.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Richard Stallman
In fact many of the people did expect this when you favorite organization lost the battle publically on Reyk's code that your friends stole and tried to impose your license on it, and when they even tried vainly to go legal by the advice of a un-educated american lawyer but

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
Mr. Stallman, I respect you for what you've managed to achieve as an individual. But, frankly, this thread has really gotten way out of control. A few days back everything had kind-a settled down and we got the impression that the thread had fortunately died, but that's not been the case, you

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 08:19:38PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: Nobody out here is going to listen to what you're going to say, and you are going to go on and on about how you were justified in labeling OpenBSD as not compliant with your interpretation of the word free, which we don't give a

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Allie D.
Mayuresh Kathe wrote: Mr. Stallman, I respect you for what you've managed to achieve as an individual. But, frankly, this thread has really gotten way out of control. A few days back everything had kind-a settled down and we got the impression that the thread had fortunately died, but

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Siju George
On Jan 3, 2008 3:20 PM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact many of the people did expect this when you favorite organization lost the battle publically on Reyk's code that your friends stole and tried to impose your license on it, and when they even tried vainly

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Stuart VanZee
From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:03 AM To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Real men don't attack straw men On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 08:19:38PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: Nobody out here is going to listen to what you're going to say, and you are going to go

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:38:08AM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote: From: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra He's not labelling OpenBSD non-free, just non-free-friendly because some non-free are distributed in the ports site. And yet, you still don't have it quite right. Saying that the ports system

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Michael Schmidt
Mayuresh Kathe schrieb: Mr. Stallman, ... Nobody out here is going to listen to what you're going to say, and you are going to go on and on about how you were justified in labeling OpenBSD as not compliant with your interpretation of the word free, which we don't give a farthing for.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread dereck
Hello Mayuresh, a possible reason can be that he is thinking Some of it might stick. Not likely. Go back under your rock, along with RMS and the rest of the bunch. -- Michael Schmidt MIRRORS: Watcom ftp://ftp.fh-koblenz.de/pub/CompilerTools/Watcom/ OpenOffice

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:26PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: [blablabla] Since I'm (at least) smart enough not to install proprietary software, I don't have a strong problem with it, but for someone like RMS who want's to be able to recommend strictly Free Software operating

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:04:44AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:26PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Since I'm (at least) smart enough not to install proprietary software, I don't have a strong problem with it, but for someone like RMS who want's to be

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 04:50:27PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:04:44AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:26PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Since I'm (at least) smart enough not to install proprietary software, I don't

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:04:44AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:26PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Since I'm (at least) smart enough not to install proprietary software, I don't have a strong problem with it, but for

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Ruben Gonzalez Arnau
Why don't you tell us about emacs and gcc as Theo said? If you don't want to answer nothing new here Don't feed the troll!!

Re: Real Men Don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Roberto J. Dohnert
While reading this thread the course it has taken really surprises me. I dont agree with Richards take on OpenBSD. I think OpenBSD is fine, good for recommendations for a truly free OS. But what really surprises me is that Stallman has resorted to blatant troll like posting just to incite a

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Rui Miguel Silva Seabra
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:22:35AM -0700, L wrote: Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:04:44AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:26PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Since I'm (at least) smart enough not to install proprietary

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Siju George
On Jan 3, 2008 10:28 PM, Ruben Gonzalez Arnau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't you tell us about emacs and gcc as Theo said? If you don't want to answer nothing new here The wget he uses is worse. You can download any non-free software with it and it does not warn the user at all!!!

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread L
L wrote: GCC for ms WIndows does not even REQUIRE thinking first. Everyone knows GCC is a great Windows Proprietary compiler to create proprietary software.. it's just a cheaper compiler than MS VC. It is so easy to get or make GCC on windows, because Stallman knows his figurehead will

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread L
Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: le that have an OpenBSD CD to install the OS have the chance to use MORE free software than before. That's got nothing to do with what was talked about. It's not about the OpenBSD cd, but about having ... http://www.openbsd.org/4.2_packages/i386.html

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Marco Peereboom
This list is actually the first place I read of widespread use of GCC for making proprietary software. Since so many lies are said about what RMS promotes or not, I don't feel confident in taking your word for it (specially since you seem to resort easily into insults). This just underscores

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 1/3/08, Siju George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wget he uses is worse. You can download any non-free software with it and it does not warn the user at all!!! And electricity! I'm pretty sure (unless I'm misinformed) he uses electricity provided by plants and distribution systems that are

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:02:40PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 08:19:38PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: Nobody out here is going to listen to what you're going to say, and you are going to go on and on about how you were justified in labeling OpenBSD as not

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:40:47AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 04:50:27PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 10:04:44AM -0600, Gilles Chehade wrote: On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 03:53:26PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote: Since I'm (at

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread L
Marco Peereboom wrote: This list is actually the first place I read of widespread use of GCC for making proprietary software. Since so many lies are said about what RMS promotes or not, I don't feel confident in taking your word for it (specially since you seem to resort easily into insults).

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Richard Stallman
This is the same with your recommended system GNU/Darwin: http://www.gnu-darwin.org/index.php?page=ports Who also contains instructions to install the such port system. Thank you for telling me about this problem. I will talk with them about this ASAP. I expect they will probably

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Richard Stallman
In addition, I thought that OpenSolaris was just a kernel, but it looks like the question had in mind a whole system. This miscommunication has the effect of making my statement appear to be an endorsement of a system. Huh? OpenSolaris is just a kernel That's what I

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Amarendra Godbole
On Jan 4, 2008 10:59 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition, I thought that OpenSolaris was just a kernel, but it looks like the question had in mind a whole system. This miscommunication has the effect of making my statement appear to be an endorsement

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
This is the same with your recommended system GNU/Darwin: http://www.gnu-darwin.org/index.php?page=ports Who also contains instructions to install the such port system. Thank you for telling me about this problem. I will talk with them about this ASAP. I expect they will

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
In addition, I thought that OpenSolaris was just a kernel, but it looks like the question had in mind a whole system. This miscommunication has the effect of making my statement appear to be an endorsement of a system. Huh? OpenSolaris is just a kernel That's

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-02 Thread Siju George
On Jan 2, 2008 2:54 AM, Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the real issue, Richard. You go off and endorse OpenSolaris without knowing the facts. You get confronted with them and you change history. Sound familiar? What sounds familiar is the nasty spin you place

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-02 Thread Richard Stallman
Richard, you are too stupid to go and learn FACTS before you open your big fat lying mouth. I am sure the readers can judge for themselves whether I am stupid. They will certainly see I am not perfect. I had learned the facts about OpenSolaris, but that was months before. By the time I

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
Richard, you are too stupid to go and learn FACTS before you open your big fat lying mouth. I am sure the readers can judge for themselves whether I am stupid. They will certainly see I am not perfect. I had learned the facts about OpenSolaris, but that was months before. By the

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-02 Thread Sunnz
Hello Richard, After reading this thread, I was interested to see what your list recommendation really was, because I have never actually seen it!! So I headed over fsf.org which leads me to this page when trying to find out your list of recommended OS list: http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-01 Thread Siju George
On Jan 1, 2008 4:28 AM, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, since you are a hypocrite who won't read web pages, Richard please switch from you demoniac way of reading web pages fetching them with wget and so on as you said and act normal. There are a whole lot of people who are at

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-01 Thread Richard Stallman
Here is the real issue, Richard. You go off and endorse OpenSolaris without knowing the facts. You get confronted with them and you change history. Sound familiar? What sounds familiar is the nasty spin you place on a minor confusion. But you have added a new false accusation of

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
Here is the real issue, Richard. You go off and endorse OpenSolaris without knowing the facts. You get confronted with them and you change history. Sound familiar? What sounds familiar is the nasty spin you place on a minor confusion. We are not spinning any facts. Richard,

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2008-01-01 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Tue, Jan 01, 2008 at 04:24:06PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Here is the real issue, Richard. You go off and endorse OpenSolaris without knowing the facts. You get confronted with them and you change history. Sound familiar? What sounds familiar is the nasty spin you

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2007-12-31 Thread Marco Peereboom
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2007-12-31 Thread Steve Shockley
Marco Peereboom wrote: Might it have something to do with money? http://www.fsf.org/donate/patron/index_html Thanks, now I know how Barracuda got away with barely paying lip service to the GPL.

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2007-12-31 Thread Breen Ouellette
From: Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: Real men don't attack straw men In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Richard, can you please educate me why you endorse Solaris? http

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-31 Thread Richard Stallman
Thanks. Since you didn't answer soon, and since I did get other info about non-free software needed for OpenSolaris, I already asked for a correction in the interview. I made it general so that I won't have to go into these specifics. But I would like to know more about the need for Devpro:

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
Thanks. Since you didn't answer soon, and since I did get other info about non-free software needed for OpenSolaris, I already asked for a correction in the interview. I made it general so that I won't have to go into these specifics. But I would like to know more about the need for

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-31 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 05:30:47PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Thanks. Since you didn't answer soon, and since I did get other info about non-free software needed for OpenSolaris, I already asked for a correction in the interview. I made it general so that I won't have to go into these

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-30 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Thu, Dec 27, 2007 at 08:42:08AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Per that interview you are endorsing an OS that basically won't run without proprietary drivers. I did not know that. Can you send me a URL for the precise details? Once I know the details, I will ask them to post a

Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-17 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/12/16, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The language is not ready for it. Other languages do not have such a problem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun Best Martin

Re: BSD vs Debian [Was: Re: Real men don't attack straw men]

2007-12-17 Thread Lars Noodén
bofh wrote: The reasons I've are: Need to support commercial packages Linux is more mainstream Debian has a maintenance program in place (ie, security patches are back ported to supported platforms) Longetivity of a particular level of release ... I've used Debian a bit since 1997.

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread David H. Lynch Jr.
Daniel Ouellet wrote: However, I never thought I would have to remind you that BSD IS a complete OS, kernel and userland standing on his two feets by itself in one place. BSD has and still does depend on GCC. Even if you manage to successfully replace it tomorow, The BSD's have depended on it

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread marina
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, STeve Andre' wrote: On Saturday 15 December 2007 23:42:06 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 15 Dec 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: For personal reasons, I do not browse the web from my computer. (I also have not net connection much of the time.) To look at page I send mail

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread William Boshuck
On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:31PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: ... Remember all the people who accused me of lying because at some time I described the presence of these recipes as the ports system includes non-free software? Actually, in the quote from the interview you refer first to the

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread David H. Lynch Jr.
Gilles Chehade wrote: I still know of many companies that did not switch to Linux because a free software foundation provided them with a version of gcc that can run on their proprietary OS and Richard still did not tell me why the fsf promotes the use of proprietary software by porting free

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread David H. Lynch Jr.
ropers wrote: On 15/12/2007, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: do you give a no-recommendation to the internet as well? Well, his past statements about not being able to view HTTPS pages, catching web pages (browsing through email?) and receiving messages in batches almost made

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread David H. Lynch Jr.
William Boshuck wrote: On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 04:36:18PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote: Again, Richard made foul and faulty comments about OpenBSD first. Neither one. What I said was that I don't recommend OpenBSD because the ports system suggests non-free programs. You

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread David H. Lynch Jr.
Ray Percival wrote: On Dec 15, 2007, at 8:21 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: After reveiwing the OpenBSD Goals and Polices, it appears to me that the intent is that OpenBSD should be a free/Open Source system. But unless I am missing something that is not actually made clear. The polices page

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread David H. Lynch Jr.
Ted Unangst wrote: On 12/15/07, David H. Lynch Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reveiwing the OpenBSD Goals and Polices, it appears to me that the intent is that OpenBSD should be a free/Open Source system. But unless I am missing something that is not actually made clear. The

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread Alexey Suslikov
Richard Stallman wrote: Torvalds' version of Linux is not free software, for this reason. Ututo and gNewSense include a version of Linux which remove the firmware blobs, in order to make it free software. that's awesome, can users add these back in if they choose? I suppose

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread Gregg Reynolds
On 12/16/07, David H. Lynch Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Distribute: 4) To pass out or deliver. By providing URL's in its ports system, OpenBSD distrubutes - passes out/delivers, the items pointed to by the URL's. Some of them are non-free. Dude, you're a comic genius! Absolutely

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread Gilbert Fernandes
On Sat, Dec 15, 2007 at 11:42:06PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you mind sharing the recipie ? That sounds like a great idea. It's rather easy to do. I have done it just for fun. You can also FTP download using mail. You send commands to a server, it cuts in pieces the file to download

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
He got his cookie for that many years ago. On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 02:52:05AM -0500, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Daniel Ouellet wrote: However, I never thought I would have to remind you that BSD IS a complete OS, kernel and userland standing on his two feets by itself in one place. BSD

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread L
David H. Lynch Jr. wrote: Daniel Ouellet wrote: However, I never thought I would have to remind you that BSD IS a complete OS, kernel and userland standing on his two feets by itself in one place. BSD has and still does depend on GCC. Has anyone on the OpenBSD devel team reviewed the

Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread Marco Peereboom
I am not arguing; you are. On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 11:43:40AM +0530, V. Karthik Kumar wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Who cares? Opera is also in pots, who cares? I am sure we have more of those things in there. It's exactly the same as having windows binaries

Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread L
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real man. Actually I'm not a man at all. Not all people who are in software are men. This an interesting point.. I came up with a solution and also wrote it down here:

BSD vs Debian [Was: Re: Real men don't attack straw men]

2007-12-16 Thread Douglas A. Tutty
On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 03:36:21AM +, Gilbert Fernandes wrote: Where I work right now, we have bsd and debian on servers. All user computers run debian or mandrake right now (and we're going to move those to debian). We dont let them choose. It is mandatory. We use bsd and some debian on

Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread bofh
On Dec 16, 2007 1:26 PM, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real man. I came up with a solution and also wrote it down here: http://z505.com/cgi-bin/qkcont/qkcont.cgi?p=The-He-She-Woman-Man-Problem-Solved Yee will find it interesting if yee

Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread Deanna Phillips
L writes: Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman. Har, har. Just use they. It used to be considered poor English to use they when speaking of a single person, but the language has evolved. I did not find the thread title objectionable; in fact I found it humorous that anyone thought

Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men

2007-12-16 Thread Nick Guenther
On Dec 16, 2007 2:02 PM, Deanna Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: L writes: Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman. Har, har. Just use they. It used to be considered poor English to use they when speaking of a single person, but the language has evolved. Actually, it just came

Re: BSD vs Debian [Was: Re: Real men don't attack straw men]

2007-12-16 Thread marina
On Sun, 16 Dec 2007, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 03:36:21AM +, Gilbert Fernandes wrote: Where I work right now, we have bsd and debian on servers. All user computers run debian or mandrake right now (and we're going to move those to debian). We dont let them choose. It

Re: BSD vs Debian [Was: Re: Real men don't attack straw men]

2007-12-16 Thread bofh
The reasons I've are: Need to support commercial packages Linux is more mainstream Debian has a maintenance program in place (ie, security patches are back ported to supported platforms) Longetivity of a particular level of release And... Hell of a lot of opensource programmers think

Re: BSD vs Debian [Was: Re: Real men don't attack straw men]

2007-12-16 Thread Gilbert Fernandes
On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 01:10:54PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote: Where I work right now, we have bsd and debian on servers. All user computers run debian or mandrake right now (and we're going to move those to debian). We dont let them choose. It is mandatory. We use bsd and some debian

OT: Sexist vs. gender neutral language (was Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men)

2007-12-16 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hi! On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 11:26:17AM -0700, L wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real man. Actually I'm not a man at all. Not all people who are in software are men. This an interesting point.. I came up with a solution and also wrote it down here:

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