Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 20 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: I have a simpler question: is there any plan to make installing xbase a requirement in the foreseeable future? no. nothing in {base,comp,man,misc,game,etc}XX.tgz depends on

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Lars Hansson
On Monday 22 May 2006 17:27, Liviu Daia wrote: Ok, let me rephrase this. How realistic will be to run an OpenBSD firewall or router without xbase a few years from now? Very, in my opinion. With the release of 3.9, there seems to be a new trend among port maintainers to make running

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 22 May 2006, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 May 2006 17:27, Liviu Daia wrote: Ok, let me rephrase this. How realistic will be to run an OpenBSD firewall or router without xbase a few years from now? Very, in my opinion. With the release of 3.9, there seems

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Marc Balmer
* Liviu Daia wrote: The consistent answer I got on ports@ was that it has been decided that installing X is not a showstopper, and a number of personal attacks for suggesting otherwise. :-) Which is why I'm now asking if this is the official position. Yes, that _is_ the official

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 22 May 2006, Marc Balmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Liviu Daia wrote: The consistent answer I got on ports@ was that it has been decided that installing X is not a showstopper, and a number of personal attacks for suggesting otherwise. :-) Which is why I'm now asking if this is

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:27:18PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: On 20 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: I have a simpler question: is there any plan to make installing xbase a requirement in the foreseeable

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 22 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:27:18PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: On 20 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: I have a simpler question: is there any plan to make

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Tony Abernethy
Jacob Meuser wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:27:18PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: On 20 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: I have a simpler question: is there any plan to make installing xbase a

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread steven mestdagh
Liviu Daia [2006-05-22, 12:27:18]: Ok, let me rephrase this. How realistic will be to run an OpenBSD firewall or router without xbase a few years from now? Huh? You do not and will not need xbase to run a firewall/router. With the release of 3.9, there seems to be a new trend among

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/05/22 14:42, steven mestdagh wrote: Clearly, this no_x11 stuff has a low priority. The error message could use work though; Can't install gd-2.0.33p2: lib not found fontconfig.3.0 Even by looking in the dependency tree: jpeg-6bp3, png-1.2.8, libiconv-1.9.2p3 Maybe it's in a dependent

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 22 May 2006, steven mestdagh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Liviu Daia [2006-05-22, 12:27:18]: Ok, let me rephrase this. How realistic will be to run an OpenBSD firewall or router without xbase a few years from now? Huh? You do not and will not need xbase to run a firewall/router.

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Can Erkin Acar
On Monday 22 May 2006 Liviu Daia wrote: On 22 May 2006, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 May 2006 17:27, Liviu Daia wrote: Ok, let me rephrase this. How realistic will be to run an OpenBSD firewall or router without xbase a few years from now? Extremely realistic.

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 22 May 2006, Can Erkin Acar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 May 2006 Liviu Daia wrote: On 22 May 2006, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 22 May 2006 17:27, Liviu Daia wrote: Ok, let me rephrase this. How realistic will be to run an OpenBSD firewall or

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
my reply to this thread has no references b/c most of the prior stuff is irrelevant to the contents of this reply. the reason nobody wants to accomodate liviu is that it takes WORK, namely other people's valuable time that could be spent working on code that 1 person is agitating about. in all

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 22 May 2006, Jacob Yocom-Piatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my reply to this thread has no references b/c most of the prior stuff is irrelevant to the contents of this reply. the reason nobody wants to accomodate liviu is that it takes WORK, namely other people's valuable time that could be

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Kenneth R Westerback
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 06:15:02PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: (1) My question was about the official policy. When / if I'm pointed to a written form of that policy (which is basically what I'm asking for), I might consider submitting a patch to it. :-) You have received many replies

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 02:52:59PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: On 22 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:27:18PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: On 20 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote:

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Marc Balmer
could we now close this thread and go back to work?

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Liviu Daia
On 22 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 02:52:59PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: On 22 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 12:27:18PM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: On 20 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Chris Cappuccio
What most ports (at least gd/php and maybe tk) need from X11 is nothing more than libfreetype My simple solution is to copy /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.so.X.X from a box with X11 to the server without X11. Just copy it to /usr/local/lib and everything works. I mean, you could make libs into its

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Lars Hansson
On Monday 22 May 2006 20:42, steven mestdagh wrote: If you are still talking about making no_x11 flavors for the gd library and everything that depends on it, I doubt this will happen. You wouldnt really need to make no_x11 flavors of everything that depends on GD, only GD itself would need

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-22 Thread Lars Hansson
On Monday 22 May 2006 22:28, Liviu Daia wrote: If you still don't get it, my problem is that, with the current policy, three years from now there will be 50+ other ports depending on X for no reason. That's a pretty wild speculation considering the only problem now is that *1* console

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-20 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 02:43:36AM +0200, viq wrote: Sorry if it sounds otherwise, I have no intention of telling anyone what to do and how, just sharing some idea I had that could possibly satisfy both sides of the argument, and maybe allow to avoid bi-weekly reocurring question. Seeing

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-20 Thread Liviu Daia
On 19 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 02:43:36AM +0200, viq wrote: Sorry if it sounds otherwise, I have no intention of telling anyone what to do and how, just sharing some idea I had that could possibly satisfy both sides of the argument, and maybe

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-20 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: On 19 May 2006, Jacob Meuser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no, I'm not suggesting that xbase be a port; I'm just offering some perspective. as far as biweekly question, that should be a clue that the people asking the question

Re: Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-20 Thread Jacob Meuser
On Sat, May 20, 2006 at 10:09:15AM +0300, Liviu Daia wrote: I have a simpler question: is there any plan to make installing xbase a requirement in the foreseeable future? no. nothing in {base,comp,man,misc,game,etc}XX.tgz depends on anything from xbaseXX.tgz, and that is extremely

Splitting xbaseXY.tgz - stupid idea?

2006-05-19 Thread viq
Sorry if it sounds otherwise, I have no intention of telling anyone what to do and how, just sharing some idea I had that could possibly satisfy both sides of the argument, and maybe allow to avoid bi-weekly reocurring question. Seeing all those why can't I compile port XX? install xbase but I