Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-07-08 Thread frank ernest
Please ian, I'm not crititsizing you, or your poject. Perhaps this is a bad quality, but I'm one of those people who don't like incomplete links (and that is what is I'm crititsizing.) I expect to click on a link and voila, there is the web page I'm looking for. Of course, I could look for the core

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread ian kremlin
> Umm, there are at least > 24 links on that page to various projects that need done, to which are if you don't have the time to look through a list of a couple dozen items for the subject of what you have been criticizing, then i don't have the time to reply to your petty, innocuous emails. i don

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread frank ernest
> refering to http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/ does not contain, as far as > http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html Umm, there are at least 24 links on that page to various projects that need done, to which are you refering?

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread ian kremlin
> refering to http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/ does not contain, as far as http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/gsoc2014.html > software that you speak of be portable to Linux or is it BSD only? I've i am planning (post-GSOC) on writing an archlinux PKGBUILD and eventually a debian package.

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread frank ernest
> I intend to produce the four systemd utilities as outlined on the OpenBSD Foundation's web page, ... This seems unclear to me what you are refering to http://www.openbsdfoundation.org/ does not contain, as far as I could see, any software specs/ideas. And, though this sounds quite pretty, are you

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-30 Thread ian kremlin
> https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git There > is either something wrong with the web page or firefox as it mentions > that the connection was reset while the page was loading. However, > I've used you probably caught me in the middle of a reboot > yet. But I wanted to k

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-30 Thread Sadiq Saif
On 6/30/2014 19:31, frank ernest wrote: > If I'm posting to the wrong bsd list kindly redirect me to the correct > one, I thought misc was best. > > https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git There is According to the page about the project on the Google Summer of Code 2014 we

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-30 Thread frank ernest
If I'm posting to the wrong bsd list kindly redirect me to the correct one, I thought misc was best. > https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git There is either something wrong with the web page or firefox as it mentions that the connection was reset while the page was loading.

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Gustav Fransson Nyvell contributed: > UNIX is very old. Some hang on to one or two principles like they're the > word of god. For example, in this discussion, that one tool should do > one thing and do it well. It kind of makes you blind. Look at the bigger > picture. Is

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
Ok then my counter argument will be: second of all, this is misc@ Franco Fichtner wrote: >On 29 Jun 2014, at 13:43, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > >> Why are people poluting our lists with systemd rants??? There is nothing to >> discuss since we do not want and will never have systemd. If you don'

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Daniel Cegiełka
2014-06-29 13:40 GMT+02:00 Antoine Jacoutot : > So first you comment on Ian's GSoC and now on systemd... thai is confusing. > I don't care about systemd we will never have it. We just need some > interfaces > that are currently only implemented in systemd. This is the right approach to the subj

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Gustav Fransson Nyvell
On 06/29/14 13:43, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: Why are people poluting our lists with systemd rants??? There is nothing to discuss since we do not want and will never have systemd. If you don't understand what the systemd-utl GSoC is about then move along. Gustav Fransson Nyvell wrote: On 06/

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Franco Fichtner
On 29 Jun 2014, at 13:43, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > Why are people poluting our lists with systemd rants??? There is nothing to > discuss since we do not want and will never have systemd. If you don't > understand what the systemd-utl GSoC is about then move along. First of all, this is misc@.

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
Why are people poluting our lists with systemd rants??? There is nothing to discuss since we do not want and will never have systemd. If you don't understand what the systemd-utl GSoC is about then move along. Gustav Fransson Nyvell wrote: >On 06/29/14 13:09, bodie wrote: >> On 29.06.2014 12:

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
So first you comment on Ian's GSoC and now on systemd... thai is confusing. I don't care about systemd we will never have it. We just need some interfaces that are currently only implemented in systemd. Eric Furman wrote: >My real helpful comments are that it violates every real concept of

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Gustav Fransson Nyvell
On 06/29/14 13:09, bodie wrote: On 29.06.2014 12:40, Eric Furman wrote: My real helpful comments are that it violates every real concept of UNIX Do ONE thing and do it WELL It's because RedHat (and Oracle) doesn't care about Unix principles (or initial ideas of Linux). They are stating it qui

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread bodie
On 29.06.2014 12:40, Eric Furman wrote: My real helpful comments are that it violates every real concept of UNIX Do ONE thing and do it WELL It's because RedHat (and Oracle) doesn't care about Unix principles (or initial ideas of Linux). They are stating it quite clearly and yet people and c

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Eric Furman
My real helpful comments are that it violates every real concept of UNIX Do ONE thing and do it WELL Systemd does none of these things. On Sun, Jun 29, 2014, at 04:51 AM, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > > https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git;a=blob;f=scripts/gen-gdbus-interface

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Jason Barbier
>If we are in such dire need of an init system replacement, why has there not been widespread frenzy as >with schedulers, package managers, packet filters, programming languages and so forth? Maybe because people don't seem to think the same thing, or feel the urgency to replace it. But a dece

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
> https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systemd-utl.git;a=blob;f=scripts/gen-gdbus-interfaces.sh;h=f827434d0211ea8765c075fdb2916386ffc16ecb;hb=HEAD > > btw. it's bashism in a posix shell suit? If that is all you were able to spot then move along :-) It's very pre-alpha WIP and many thing

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-29 Thread Daniel Cegiełka
2014-06-29 1:05 GMT+02:00 ian kremlin : >> that bsd is being crowded out, a thought that had not crossed my mind. >> I wanted to know, before assuming that it is the case everywhere, do >> people really not like systemd and is it really hurting bsd? If so, >> I'd be interested in doing something ab

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread ian kremlin
> that doesn't make the slightest sense. > > "pure C" can be and often is perfectly portable. those were not the right words, i meant to convey that because systemd uses its own DBus binding (and not an already-ported lib like GIO/GDbus) it would be difficult to port, as that binding is seemingly

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread patrick keshishian
On 6/28/14, Henning Brauer wrote: > * ian kremlin [2014-06-29 01:05]: >> due to its unportability (as it's written in pure C) > > that doesn't make the slightest sense. > > "pure C" can be and often is perfectly portable. i took it as sarcasim. --patrick

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Henning Brauer
* ian kremlin [2014-06-29 01:05]: > due to its unportability (as it's written in pure C) that doesn't make the slightest sense. "pure C" can be and often is perfectly portable. -- Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org BS Web Services GmbH, http://bsws.de, Full-Service ISP Secure Ho

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Giancarlo Razzolini
Em 28-06-2014 20:39, Stuart Henderson escreveu: > Even a significant number of Linux users I've talked to about it really > don't like systemd. Hate it. Made all my linux based systems slower. > > Just looking at the pid 1 part and ignoring the rest, there are way too > many tentacles (library depe

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Franco Fichtner
On 28 Jun 2014, at 19:55, frank ernest wrote: > wanted to know, before assuming that it is the case everywhere, do people > really not like systemd and is it really hurting bsd? If so, I'd be > interested in doing something about it. Thanks, David A fact is that systemd slowly tears the open sou

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014-06-28, Kenneth Westerback wrote: > On 28 June 2014 13:55, frank ernest wrote: >> Hello, I'm ballsystemlord from the Opensuse forums and I've been reading >> a lot about how systemd is unportable, even for use with some linux >> programs and the systemd devs are not concerned about it. I,

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread ian kremlin
> that bsd is being crowded out, a thought that had not crossed my mind. > I wanted to know, before assuming that it is the case everywhere, do > people really not like systemd and is it really hurting bsd? If so, > I'd be interested in doing something about it. Thanks, David yes, systemd has beco

Re: crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread Kenneth Westerback
On 28 June 2014 13:55, frank ernest wrote: > Hello, I'm ballsystemlord from the Opensuse forums and I've been reading > a lot about how systemd is unportable, even for use with some linux > programs and the systemd devs are not concerned about it. I, as a single > person, can't possibly hope to ma

crowding out bsd using systemd?

2014-06-28 Thread frank ernest
Hello, I'm ballsystemlord from the Opensuse forums and I've been reading a lot about how systemd is unportable, even for use with some linux programs and the systemd devs are not concerned about it. I, as a single person, can't possibly hope to maintain the old sysVinit system and also systemd is a