meone is viewing
Baiju> Stas's mod_perl column, or any other mod_perl related article,
Baiju> there will be a link to mod_perl related job. If you have any
Baiju> questions you can mail me directly. Thank you for listening.
And there's the jobs.perl.org area as well.
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Cédric> $recherche equals "" with ASP programming
It's quite possible that %rech is retaining its value from previous hits,
and therefore counting up hire, or something. I dunno. As soon as you have
"use strict"-able code that exhibits the same behavior, let us kno
of sessions
2) no rewriting of URLs for static pages, even if they have links
3) access to session ID even by mod_cgi scripts
4) new sessions are started by a simple external redirect
5) one simplePerlTransHandler could provide the master session-start for any URL
downside: you must have access
ndler. I also use ->cleanup_handler in other modules, so
>> I'm wondering if there's a conflict.
Doug> you should be able to use any number of cleanup_handlers. do you have a
Doug> small test case to reproduce the problem?
Grr. Not really. I just moved everything to Log
> oh wait, I just said what you said, nevermind, I skimmed too fast..
if you only mess up like this on every 48 posts you send out right, you're
doing pretty good. :)
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s remote servers from
overloading and dropping connection early
Configurable Agent Identity allows Teleport Pro to impersonate
popular browsers; gets data from even the stingiest servers
Sounds to me like they are precisely at odds with anyone doing the
kind of blocking that I want t
ugh that was in
/robots.txt. I *must* block anything that doesn't respect
/robots.txt. Once they fix that, I might let it loose.
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(th($_), @{$sth->{NAME}}))
with
Tr(th($sth->{NAME}))
Much cleaner. I'm not sure about the other one though. Ahh,
it looks like I'm already taking advantage of that. :)
Weird. I learned something I already knew. :)
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there's a callback to Apache->something to see which state it really
is in.
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Valdet> I need a PerlScript for transforming the XML to HTML.
XML does not "transform" to HTML.
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That's so... uh... perl4-ish.
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webserver. Basically, if user x is
Jeremy> authenticated from more than y number of IPs within z minutes,
Jeremy> I want the authentication to be declined.
Jeremy> Does such a module already exist?
Hmm. Sounds like an interesting WebTechniques column. :)
Thanks for the idea. You will
but I bet you have to do this instead:
$r->uri("/articles/index.html");
$r->args("id=$id");
By the time the apache-request object has been created, args are
handled in a separate slot.
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Sean> set the file name to /dev/zero?
You should be able to return OK from your own pushed AccessHandler,
which should prevent the core modules from doing an .htaccess lookup
based on $r->filename. Something like:
$r->push_handlers( PerlAccessHandler => sub { ret
if $old == $new; # safety
$mtime{$file} = -M $file;
return 1;
}
sub import {
my $file = (caller)[1];
## Apache->server->log->notice("$$ is importing ",__PACKAGE__," into $file");
$mtime{$file} = -M $file;
}
BEGIN {
re's
an error.
Sean> The advantage to doing it this way is:
Sean> a) this was what apache was designed for (multiple phases)
Sean> b) allows other handlers to kick in before you build the response
Sean> (such as mod_access)
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n hearing about your past experience.
I think if you already set the handler, then when it comes to
MIME-checking phase, you get a quick no-op. Thus, having the Trans
phase set the handler is going to be much faster. My guess. Try it and see.
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>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randal> Or a variation of that, that I like... set up a TransHandler like this:
Randal> sub handler { # PerlTransHandler
Randal> return DECLINED unless $r->uri eq "/"
as
well. Durn this writing thing! "Writing is hard!"
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urn HTTP_NOT_ACCEPTABLE if grep $_ eq "..", split /\//, $uri;
Then "foo..bar" is OK, as is ".foo". Of course, I reject ".ANYTHING"
in my access handler, but that's up to you. :)
Also, I noticed that "fancyindexing" uses "/foo/bar/bletch
.pl line 41
Jonathan> so document_root ain't writable.
I think you can get the same effect by *ignoring* the document root.
Just set $r->filename($whatever), and return OK from the handler.
Then the default handler won't do the URI-to-filename translation, and
everybody goes home h
nathan> to have to reimplement Apache's entire default file handler
Jonathan> in Perl.
I don't think you need to. I think only the Trans handlers need to
worry about docroot. Of course, I'm possibly wrong. :)
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little beasty. I dare say probably faster than even expat-based
XML::Parser because it doesn't do quite as much.
Available at fine CPANs near you.
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oup. That has not yet happened. In fact, the creation of a
newsgroup would cause the *dilution* of expert eyeball time on a given
issue, and would therefore be *detrimental* to the mod_perl community,
because some experts would choose to read only the mailing list, and
others would choose t
>>>>> "John" == John Siracusa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> OTOH, it's a lot easier to track and respond to particular
John> issues/problems in a threaded setting like Usenet.
Hmm. Get a threaded mailreader. It certainly changed my mail
readin
f (/(\d+):([0-9,]*):(.*)/) {
$id = $1;
$temp = $2;
$name = $3;
... use variables ...
}
But this is probably preferred:
if (($id, $temp, $name) = /(\d+):([0-9,]*):(.*)/) {
... use variables ...
e this? Am I heading down a dark damp tunnel?
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>>>>> "Bill" == Bill Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randal L. Schwartz)
>> The docs hint that I can use whatever I would put after ErrorDocument
>> as the arg to custom_response, but also suggest that I can put &
space
when I could have provided the handler as a subroutine though.
Everything else seems to permit me to just hook on this coderef when
this other thing happens.
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_, "",
(mod_perl::hook($_) ? "Enabled" : "Disabled"),
"\n" } mod_perl::hooks()),
"";
map is your friend. Of course, this would have been even simpler with
CGI.pm HTML generators. :)
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refers the
the other. TIMTWOTDI.
As for the array ref, this is easy:
return ["", (map ...), ""];
:-)
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>>>>> "Angel" == Angel R Rivera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Angel> how about avoiding the me toos...
Yeah, and the people that post "upside down", with the answer
*before* the question!
Definitely. Let's avoid those.
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Doug> esrever ni snoitseuq gnirewsna diova esaelp dna
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conference in Vegas."
Vivek> Good point. Let's move the conferences to Grand Cayman, then, since I
Vivek> just spent a week familiarizing myself with it ;-) And the weather
Vivek> there is excellent...
Well, then I won't be able to go, since I'm still on probation, and
c
not get made. You also don't need the $main:: because
%SIG (actually *SIG) is forced to main::.
Just another couple of Perl tips from someone who wrangles Perl all day
every day... :)
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have solved the problem.
Except that this requires HTTP/1.1. Anyone that doesn't send the
"host:" header goes into a permanent redirect loop. So the "problems"
you're not seeing are probably from the people out there that can't
get to your site to report
m, as well as any future ones, and I can
Drew> just be done with this stupid cookie problem! You just made my night better
Drew> (and my morning too)!
But please see my followup before you implement it.
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<[E
thing* there, especially not the "map in a void context". :) Or
maybe there's some other "Randal Schwartz" you copied from. "Wasn't me!"
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is that you must allow for an unspoken "Host:" header to
fall through to a generic v-host.
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send that header?
What if one of those browsers were a web indexer for AltaVista or Infoseek?
Do you really want that many people to not find out about your site?
It's not about browsers, sir. It's about the web-dexers. If you
aren't writing for that market, you are missing a HUGE set
cookie support came after 1.1.
It wouldn't matter if it came *after* or *before*, unless you think there's
only one timeline relevant.
There are many timelines. There are "browsers" being written today
that don't support "host:". See my other comment about &qu
>>>>> "Doug" == Doug MacEachern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Doug> why all the globals?? symbol table lookups are much slower than
Doug> lexicals.
If I recall, the word lately is that they're much closer than they were.
But lexicals are still "
done this.
Yes. The Stonehenge::DBILog that I put into WebTechniques last month
doesn't do that, because it gets the URI not from $r->uri but from the
second word of splitting $r->the_request on whitespace. You might
consider that change. (I figured this out by looking at the C
co
rvice
Provider. :)
But, seeing as my stuff seems to be getting used, even in absence of
my included docs, maybe I should just get the docs done and get'em out
there. I could even put them in the CPAN then. :)
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>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Matt> On 21 Apr 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
Matt> and I'd be
Matt> interested in seeing Stonehenge::Reload, but I don't fancy
Matt> searching the archives of this list (which yo
>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Matt> On 21 Apr 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
>> Just in case you missed it... (but notice, no instructions!):
>>
>> package Stonehenge::Reload;
Matt> Thanks!
Matt> When
x = 'FH'; print $x 'hello') these days, we'd hope.
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I'm going with
this. Bring the MIME type to mean both the "real" mime type as well
as a PerlHandler if needed. I'm sure it's a 15 line
FixupHandler... just haven't had time to tear down part of my site to
test. :)
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enly write:
print system "foo";
instead of
print `foo`;
but of course they should have written:
system "foo";
instead.
As to why it's not happening in an Apache::Registry script, I cannot
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ny.
We don't have any courses off-the-rack. But we custom build anything,
and have in the past.
The problem with on-site mod_perl training is that every customer will
be different. :)
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all needs rewriting. :)
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ent, because when it doesn't work, it looks like
something is broken. :)
Thus, the answer is no - mod_perl cannot "run" a setuid perl program,
unless you mean by forking via fork or system or backticks, which
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And the distinction is important, especially in the context of
this discussion (setuid with "mod_perl").
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>> monitor bandwidth usage http://www.cohprog.com/mod_bandwidth.html
Christian> The size of the data sent through the pipe doesn't reflect the CPU spent to
Christian> produce that data. mod_bandwidth probably doesn't apply in the current
Christian> scenario being discuss
ts... should be the first or second one.
After 160 columns, I'm starting to really wonder what there is LEFT to
cover. :)
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images, cache
Michael> them, and present them to browser clients. The URI, as well
Michael> as Apache configuration directives, is used to determine what
Michael> is to be generated.
Like <http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/LinuxMag/col33.html>
perhaps? Been there, Done that
ictures/
to work with images that had spaces in the filenames as well
as question marks and ampersands. :) Talk about escaping hell.
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I have a separate HFS+ partition for Classic Apps.
The downside is that some of the files are not accessible to Classic
apps, but as more and more stuff gets at least Carbonized, I'm not
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s $r->uri is concerned.
What are you *really* trying to do?
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starts getting higher, I can cache the expensive menubar creation
(which is nearly completely static) using Perrin's device, but I've
not bothered yet.
It's been amazingly carefree. I'm planning to move
www.geekcruises.com to be served on the same box, although they get
only about 1/
really smart, I'd use mod_expires to say "this
image is good for $N hours", and then the front end wouldn't even
touch the back end at all.
As I said, as long as my loadav is low enough for my current hits, I've
got better things to work on. :)
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have to use HTTP authentication...
Even though the user/password is transmitted *in the clear* on
*every single hit*, because you can't just use a session identifier?
This is so very wrong from a security perspective.
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erver=proxy < $< > $@
then check [% IF server = 'pages'; ... ; END %] in your templates.
Make httpd.conf be simply:
Include httpd.conf.pages
Include httpd.conf.proxy
Include httpd.conf.other
>>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Randal> using Template Toolkit. Easy'nuff. Lots of common stuff, plus unique
Randal> stuff. You can use "tpage" and then there's not even any programming:
etc... Perhaps live sites is a more
Matt> framework specific thing (for example AxKit has its own list).
Oh, and add Template Toolkit (www.tt2.org) to that list.
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>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Richard> List,
Richard> http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/19716.html
Richard> ...sigh?
mod_perl is still in the bucket of clues that they didn't dip in to.
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Heh! Apache::Cookie=SCALAR(0x....) Even in the refresh header!
That's just too funny.
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org/~merlyn/journal/8445>, the article just got pulled!
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y, they're comparing Perl-CGI with
PHP, not mod_perl/$templating_system with PHP, which would be a much
fairer comparison.
As I've said in this forum before:
PHP is "training wheels without the bicycle".
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ods, processed into HTML and listing files
sbin/ - apache sbin, contains log-roller and apachectl
generate-navbars - process META info to make navbar database
run-template - described in article
GNUmakefile - "One File To Rule Them All"
And yes, I can check the puppy out, edit and test i
; still using the C-like construct. I guess it's rather low.
>>
Mike> But is a lot easier to read and debug, IMHO Is there a
Mike> significant performance difference in using map instead?
He said "C-like for". Your "for" is probably a "foreach",
ows the whole thing to be written in one
Tony> command, without lots of temporary variables.
Exactly. You're caching the complex sort-function so that it
doesn't need to be recomputed for the various pairings, leading
to either a slowdown or phase errors.
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in an environment that is more Perl-centric, I expand the
Perrin> vocabulary of my code more.
This is the position we support during our code review services as
well. You can use fancy stuff, but be sure to point to where you
learned it. :)
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ld save memory.
Yeah, I did this to stonehenge.com about five months ago, and am now handling
about 3-4 times the traffic for the same loadav. All on one machine.
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rd to do and you'd gain in all
Tim> sorts of ways.
You could also use SOAP or SOAP::Lite as the interface. Most of that
code seems ready for this kind of application already.
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and I bill myself as a
"technical comedian".
Humor helps the learning process, as long as it isn't used to distract
people from poor materials. So we work hard at putting good quality
into the materials first, and then adding the layer of humor at the
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of a column, but presented live?
Sorry for my ignorance, but I've only been on the voting end, never
the proposing end. :)
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dependent on regular expressions and special operators... how could
anything like that ever catch on? {grin}
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hen they
want your added functionality, all they can do is call your interfaces
using the mini-Toolkit language embedded in their files.
And they get a slick templating system for free!
Best of both worlds.
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e.
So mod_perl is inherently unsafe. Either you have access to Perl, or
you don't. And when you don't, you might as well invent a meta-API,
like the one I suggested with Template Toolkit. You can't use the
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by a number of useful and documented rules.
When you're *really* good with mod_perl, you abandon Apache::Registry
and move up to writing handlers or using embedded templating systems
like EmbPerl, Mason, or Template Toolkit.
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STOP. Just write a
module, define it as the handler for each of those directory contents,
and you're done.
Apache::Registry is meant as a stopgap until you learn to write real
handlers. You've just now graduated. :)
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you have to think
intensely kind thoughts about me the entire time, and I get to bill
for twice as many hours as I actually work, just like some lawyers do.
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Ken> mod_gzip, Apache::Compress, or Apache::Gzip are solutions here.
Or even my cool compressing pre-forking tiny proxy at
<http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/WebTechniques/col34.html>
Neatly proxies, but sends compressed text across slow links if
the browser understands that.
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ion in any distinguishing way.
I mean, until I can demonstrate that people with certs are likely to
get hired faster or make more money, what's the point? As it is now,
good mod_perl people are hard enough to find that the jobseeker
already has the advantage.
I'm very open to being co
#x27;m a small business. I
can't absorb training at a loss for very long.
Hope that helps you see what you need to tell me to get me to do this.
(nudge nudge)
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th, and you can
probably always come up with enough variance that you can make
benchmarks show whatever you want them to show.
Given *that*, what's your real question?
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nd dependency tracking, instead of which one
executes a useless static page faster?
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y really also belong on perl.apache.org, unless take23 is supposed
to be taking over that responsibility, or unless take23 will have a
VERY PROMINENT link on perl.apache.org.
"take23" doesn't mean anything for me with respect to "mod_perl" by
the way. Is there a secret handshak
>>>>> "Matt" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Matt> On 13 Dec 2000, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
>> They really also belong on perl.apache.org, unless take23 is supposed
>> to be taking over that responsibility, or unless take23 will ha
e
much better.
/me scuffles off to register no-args.org now... :)
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c. :) But when Darwin finalizes,
that'll probably be a moot point, presuming someone compiles
StarOffice for Darwin.
However, a better format for interchange would almost certainly be
something like XML or (horrors) POD. A text-ish format would make
diffs from CVS make more sense anyway.
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n that maybe you thought I was multiple people. :)
But I'm cool with the name as long as there's a prominent link of "why
'take23'?" somewhere up front, so that others can learn why as well.
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Yeah, 2.5 column ideas a month. Please, if you have ideas, let me know!
Get your name in print in a 100K+ circulation magazine!
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;.
Maybe we could do something like that here.
META COMMENT...
Maybe it's time we spun off a mailing list for this discussion,
unless it's still interesting to the rest of the onlookers.
Anyone care to host it or take that on?
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our development team based in part on the what
I've heard recently. We can't make any announcements just yet, but I
hope you'll be pleased when we do.
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sty. A Perl bot that basically sucks full speed.
Evil.
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