John:
For some people, peace of mind is easy. For others its very hard. But one
thing for sure, when you've got it, you've got it and nobody can gainsay.
Inorganic perfection: Light
Biological perfection: Procreation
Social perfection: Celebrity
Intellectual perfection: Enlightenment
I
Nagarjuna, in the MMK, replaces cause with conditions:
The argument against causation is tightly intertwined with the positive
account of dependent arising and of the nature of the relation between
conditions and the conditioned. Nagarjuna begins by stating the conclusion (1:
1): neither
On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 10:06 PM, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
[Pirsig]
To say that A causes B or to say that B values
precondition A is to say the same thing. The difference is one of words
only. Instead of saying A magnet causes iron filings to move toward it,
you can say Iron filings value
Greeings,
Rather than a choice, is a pattern equivalent to a conclusion?
Marsha
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[Mark]
Freedom is a rig full of gas, a wide open road, a stack of audio CDs,
and some sweet rock and roll. Oh, yeah, and truck stops full of
coffee. Just watch out for the ones full of Vampires...
[Arlo]
A nice metaphor for freedom, since the agency one is able to act
upon above is
[Pirsig]
To say that A causes B or to say that B values
precondition A is to say the same thing. The difference is one of words
only. Instead of saying A magnet causes iron filings to move toward it,
you can say Iron filings value movement toward a magnet.
[Craig, previously]
In Iron filings
Dan,
how can I refute such eloquent and well-thought argumentation?
Dan:
No, but I am reading you being a dick.
Johnprev:
Isn't this ineffable something that is heading away
from mechanistic patterns just exactly what Ron and I have been saying
all
along? Mechanism is determinism.
Tuuka,
John:
Inorganic perfection: Light
Biological perfection: Procreation
Social perfection: Celebrity
Intellectual perfection: Enlightenment
Tukka,
I strongly disagree that being a celebrity would be any form of social
perfection. What about criminal celebrities, you know, those
What a lon-n-n-g... strange trip its been, Mark.
Right now I'm sitting in my brother-in-law's house in Missoula, with the
rain coming down, it's about 48, and I miss california girls - namely my
wife and daughters.
Yesterday, I helped my bro-in-law patrol the streets of this Montana town,
and
Well Ham,
your words thrill me and I agree with every word. You put it most
excellently as well. I just can't understand how anybody would choose to
not understand such plain and well-written rhetoric.
Yours,
John
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Ham Priday hampd...@verizon.net wrote:
Hi
Marsha:
Rather than a choice, is a pattern equivalent to a conclusion?
Marsha:
The mind is fixated from moment to moment on static patterns (conclusions)
which shape reality and establish certainty so life can be lived with some
reliability.
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Marsha,
I never read Hume, but I did hand in an essay to my SDA english teacher my
sophmore year, on cause and effect, and he called it Humeian so I've
always had a certain fondness for the guy who woke father Kant from his
dogmatic slumbers. As you do for many! I'm sure.
Marsha:
Been a long
Look, John, you are the one who started by insulting me. I asked if
Ron was listening on account of his asking me to explain free will vs
determinism in terms of the MOQ. And this discussion didn't include
him. So I was merely being polite in asking if he was listening, or
reading if you will.
[Steve]
Instead of saying A magnet [A] causes iron filings to move
toward it [B], you can say Iron filings [B] value movement
toward a magnet [A].
But the use of A B is inconsistent between these two formulations.
A causes B is exemplified by A (proximity of a magnet to iron
filings)
Well Dan, I'm sorry you took such offense, but geez yer a prickly bastard
sometimes. I certainly didn't intend any offense, other than good-natured
jibbing which flows out in discourse without me really meaning anything
other than trying to emphasize certain oppositional points. But reading
Hello everyone
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:26 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote:
Well Dan, I'm sorry you took such offense, but geez yer a prickly bastard
sometimes.
Yes, I am. As I've admitted to others here, I tend to suffer fools poorly.
I certainly didn't intend any offense, other
Hey Arlo,
A metaphor perhaps. It depends on how one sees freedom. Let me ask
you this: Do we live in a world of bondage that we are trying to
instill freedom, or do we live in a world of freedom in which we
succumb to bondage? Your essay below suggest the former, whereas, the
latter seems
Hey John the Wanderer,
Missoula? Where on God's Green Earth is that?
Here I am imagining an old map of the US, from say 1700. There is
this red line that moves from one emerging dot to another, the dot
grows as you stay at one place. Hmmm. Is it out in the Indian
Country, or towards Nueva
[Mark]
It depends on how one sees freedom. Let me ask you this: Do we live in a
world of bondage that we are trying to instill freedom, or do we live in a
world of freedom in which we succumb to bondage? Your essay below suggest the
former, whereas, the latter seems much more reasonable.
Greetings John --
Well Ham,
your words thrill me and I agree with every word. You put it most
excellently as well. I just can't understand how anybody would
choose to not understand such plain and well-written rhetoric.
Thanks for the kind words. I had ro reread that post (to Marsha) to
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