I demand that Matthew Thomas may or may not have written...
And the standard one is what, exactly? It's certainly not F3: in Internet Explorer
and even Windows Explorer, F3 doesn't Find Next, it opens the Search sidebar.
That's a throwback to Windows 95 explorer which opened the Find dialog
Peter Trudelle wrote:
Ben Bucksch wrote:
As you can see in this very thread
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], this kind of
ignorant behaviour is encouraged by their manager.
No personal attacks.
I'm sorry, if I insulted you personally.
Peter Trudelle wrote:
Ben Bucksch wrote:
IMO, the Mozilla community is the highest authority for Mozilla code.
That would be anarchy and chaos, which is why mozilla.org has the
module owner system.
We also have Presidents or similar in most countries. However, they are
supposed to do
Peter Trudelle wrote:
There seems to be some misconception about what open source is.
Yes. But I'm not sure on which side.
The code is controlled by module owners, who are under no compulsion
to do what 'the community' wants
IMO, the Mozilla community is the highest authority for Mozilla
Claude Gohier wrote:
Because for non-US keyboads, the right alt key is used as a special
key to get accented characters... So, we must use the left alt key,
and both hands.
Bug 55759
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55759
Daniel Veditz wrote:
Jesse Ruderman wrote:
Netscape recently checked in [...]
C'mon, you know how things work here. Netscape did no such thing, it was
coders running amok because they thought it was neat and they could.
Complain to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you think module owners or super
jon wrote:
I can't believe something as stupid as this issue has received this much
attention. IE has use the damn backspace key as a shorcut to
history.back for ages. Yet the serious bug with cache control is totally
ignored.
Ignored??? Bug 112564 has priority P1 and target milestone
Walter Dnes wrote:
...
Gimmee an F
Gimmee an O
Gimmee an R
Gimmee a K
What does that spell ? (Apologies to anybody who was at Woodstock)
It's too bad I'm not a C programmer, having just recently finished a
beginner's introductory course to C.
...
Having programming
A Martinez wrote:
Jason Kersey wrote:
...
Wrong. The point is that this is a convienient way for IE users to
get a feel for our product. Just because IE does it doesn't make it
bad.
Well, then wake up and add F3 right now. I use this shorcut in every
app except in Mozilla where
Ben Goodger wrote:
Always glad to correct mistaken impressions. Peter Trudelle said this
in npm.browser:
There seems to be some misconception about what open source is. The
code is controlled by module owners, who are under no compulsion to do
what 'the community' wants (assuming,
Ben Bucksch wrote:
IMO, the Mozilla community is the highest authority for Mozilla code.
That would be anarchy and chaos, which is why mozilla.org has the module
owner system.
If somebody devotes substantional amounts of time to sort out bugs to
make coder's lifes easier and so to help
On Fri, 21 Dec 2001 10:56:59 -0800,
Peter Trudelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:Ben Bucksch wrote:
: As you can see in this very thread
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], this kind of
: ignorant behaviour is encouraged by their manager.
:And this type of comment is forbidden by the newsgroup Ground Rules
On 21 Dec 2001 07:52:07 GMT,
Matthew Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
:Walter Dnes wrote:
:Gimmee an F
:Gimmee an O
:Gimmee an R
:Gimmee a K
:What does that spell ? (Apologies to anybody who was at Woodstock)
: It's too bad I'm not a C programmer, having just recently
Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:
As most Mozilla users you'll never use this shortcut, but Mozilla won't
care about that someday when you press back thinking that you are in
the textarea, but loosing all your carefuly thought Slashdot message,
because you weren't in the textarea.
Huh?!? If
Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:
Wrong. The point is that this is a convienient way for IE users to
get a feel for our product. Just because IE does it doesn't make it
bad. I myself will never use it, as I've grown up on alt left/right
arrow.
As most Mozilla users you'll never use this
Peter Mutsaers wrote:
As most Mozilla users you'll never use this shortcut, but Mozilla
won't care about that someday when you press back thinking that you
are in the textarea, but loosing all your carefuly thought Slashdot
message, because you weren't in the textarea.
Huh?!? If I do
Peter Mutsaers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on
20 Dec 2001:
Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:
As most Mozilla users you'll never use this shortcut, but Mozilla
won't care about that someday when you press back thinking that
you are in the textarea, but
On 18 Dec 2001 06:05:22 GMT,
DeMoN LaG n@a wrote:
:I would blame Netscape if the code was checked in by a netscape employee
:with no r/sr/a, or if the code was checked in by a netscape employee and
:had r/sr/a all with @netscape.com email addresses. That would scream to
:me that the change
Jason Kersey wrote:
They integrate those widgets in the OS, so they become native. Didn't
you heard something about DoJ vs MS?
IE's widgets are still different than the rest of the OS's.
So please, can you explain me which widgets are you talking about?
I don't see anything in IE5
If you think the implementation is poor, could you file concrete bugs
regarding the concerns that you have or perhaps state them here? There
are AFAIK only a handful of current remaining issues with the
implementation.
Also, if you want the feature to have no serious issues before it's
Daniel Veditz wrote:
Jesse Ruderman wrote:
Netscape recently checked in [...]
C'mon, you know how things work here. Netscape did no such thing, it was
coders running amok because they thought it was neat and they could.
I actually meant that in a good way. Most of the cool things in the
I wrote:
Since most apps see AltGr as Ctrl+Alt
this means that Mozilla will quietly ignore all AltGr keystrokes, see
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50255 thus temporarily
rendering my patch useless :-(
David Hyatt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 18 Dec 2001:
If you think the implementation is poor, could you file concrete
bugs regarding the concerns that you have or perhaps state them
here? There are AFAIK only a handful of current remaining issues
David Hyatt wrote:
If you think the implementation is poor, could you file concrete bugs
regarding the concerns that you have or perhaps state them here?
There are AFAIK only a handful of current remaining issues with the
implementation.
Not that I think it is poor implementation, and I
Now that this thread has been posted *to death*, it is time to
summarize and hopefully come to conclusions:
1) favicon.ico: not too much *good* discussion. AFAICT there
is no 'official' (as per the W3) standard of indicating an icon file.
I did some research on this, read on.
Yes, this is one of the known issues. It's compounded by the fact that
when you crash or don't cleanly exit, the entire disk cache has a
tendency to flush itself on the next restart.
I will probably need to ignore the expirations specified by the Web site
for favicons. Most servers haven't
So have we. It's called the Classic Skin (if you're not using it, try
View-Apply Theme-Classic).
You'll notice that our native widgets actually emulate the OS widget
set better than IE ;-)
-Ben
A Martinez wrote:
So please, can you explain me which widgets are you talking about?
I don't
Peter Mutsaers wrote:
Well, 90% of web users (via IE) are used to backspace being used for
this. While I'm not exactly an IE (nor MSFT) fan, I'd say this is one of
the few things they got right in the last decennium. Please leave it in
Mozilla.
Backspace is an undocumented feature in IE
Ian Thomas wrote:
Peter Mutsaers wrote:
Well, 90% of web users (via IE) are used to backspace being used for
this. While I'm not exactly an IE (nor MSFT) fan, I'd say this is one
of the few things they got right in the last decennium. Please leave
it in Mozilla.
Backspace is an
In article 9vgpv8$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jesse Ruderman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
BACKSPACE
Bug 108816: 31 minutes from filing to checkin.
Mozilla now has the Backspace key mapped to the back button, and
Shift+backspace mapped to the forward button.
Personally, I think this backspace for back is
I demand that Jesse Ruderman may or may not have written...
BACKSPACE
Bug 108816: 31 minutes from filing to checkin.
Mozilla now has the Backspace key mapped to the back button, and Shift+backspace
mapped to the forward button.
Since space duplicates PgDn, IMHO Backspace should (if anything)
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
Rob Allen wrote:
Mozilla now has the Backspace key mapped to the back button, and
Shift+backspace mapped to the forward button.
Personally, I think this backspace for back is a big improvement,
especially for those of us with non-US keyboards.
Why is it harder
Claude Gohier wrote:
Because for non-US keyboads, the right alt key is used as a special key
to get accented characters... So, we must use the left alt key, and both
hands.
*gasp* you use a mouse? :)
--
Morten Nilsen, aka Dr. P
4th Age webmaster designer - www.4th-age.com
Morten Nilsen wrote:
Neil wrote:
Since space duplicates PgDn, IMHO Backspace should (if anything)
duplicate PgUp...
And I think backspace shouldn't do anything but delete characters to
the left...
On Windows, (Windows 2000), Window explorer(the file directory
navigator) maps the
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Morten Nilsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I'm well aware of explorer's mapping of backspace as up, and I think
that is good.
but the filesystem browser in windows doesn't have textboxes in it that
you might need to fill in, or edit... If one of those haven't got
How about Shift+Left/Right ArrowKey? That should be fairly easy to do
with one hand (or two if that is prefered). I would not imagine that
shift is used for any special character access on non-US
keyboards...someone correct me if this is wrong. :)
Regards,
JMosser
Jonas Jørgensen
Heh, funny, when I didn't really know, I also thought it would be related to
IRC. Unfortunately, it isn't ;)
Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Peter Lairo wrote:
BTW, what is *IIRC* ??? :)
I suppose that would be Inside
Claude Gohier wrote:
Personally, I think this backspace for back is a big improvement,
especially for those of us with non-US keyboards.
Why is it harder for you to hit alt+left/right arrow on a non-US
keyboard? I'm using a Danish keyboard, and I don't have any problems
with it.
I demand that J Mosser may or may not have written...
How about Shift+Left/Right ArrowKey? That should be fairly easy to do
with one hand (or two if that is prefered). I would not imagine that
shift is used for any special character access on non-US
keyboards...someone correct me if
Neil wrote:
Since space duplicates PgDn, IMHO Backspace should (if anything)
duplicate PgUp...
And I think backspace shouldn't do anything but delete characters to the
left...
--
Morten Nilsen, aka Dr. P
4th Age webmaster designer - www.4th-age.com
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
Doh! Of course.
I agree that it would be good to have an easier shortcut for
back/forward than alt+arrow keys, but backspace is a very bad choice. We
need to find something that doesn't cause confusion and dataloss. Any
ideas?
Well... frankly, this isn't the
Well but AFAIK isn't fully equal to IIRC/AFAIR. I use all of them ;)
Neil [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
I demand that Sören Kuklau may or may not have written...
If I Recall Correctly. Kind of equal to AFAIR (As Far As I Remember /
If I Recall Correctly. Kind of equal to AFAIR (As Far As I Remember /
Recall).
Regards,
Sören Kuklau
Peter Lairo [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb im Newsbeitrag
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
Neil wrote:
(because IIRC AltGr ...
BTW, what is *IIRC* ??? :)
--
Regards,
Peter
I demand that Sören Kuklau may or may not have written...
If I Recall Correctly. Kind of equal to AFAIR (As Far As I Remember / Recall).
I'm more used to seeing AFAIK (As Far As I Know) which I use when I'm
less sure.
I demand that Claude Gohier may or may not have written...
Because for non-US keyboads, the right alt key is used as a special
key to get accented characters... So, we must use the left alt key,
and both hands.
Since most apps see AltGr as Ctrl+Alt, try this patch.
If you don't have a
Neil wrote:
(because IIRC AltGr ...
BTW, what is *IIRC* ??? :)
--
Regards,
Peter Lairo
Peter Lairo wrote:
BTW, what is *IIRC* ??? :)
I suppose that would be Inside Internet Relay Chat? ;)
--
Morten Nilsen, aka Dr. P
4th Age webmaster designer - www.4th-age.com
Webprogrammer for hire
:wq
Travis Crump wrote:
On Windows, (Windows 2000), Window explorer(the file directory
navigator) maps the 'backspace' key to go up one directory which given
the way most people navigate directories is pretty much the same as
going 'Back'. On my six-month old computer, the only label on the
It is Windows only. This has never been implemented on other platforms.
If other platforms suddenly started showing this behaviour, that's a bug.
Travis Crump wrote:
Morten Nilsen wrote:
Neil wrote:
Since space duplicates PgDn, IMHO Backspace should (if anything)
duplicate PgUp...
Rob Allen wrote:
In article 9vgpv8$[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jesse Ruderman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
BACKSPACE
Bug 108816: 31 minutes from filing to checkin.
Mozilla now has the Backspace key mapped to the back button, and
Shift+backspace mapped to the forward button.
Personally, I
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
Doh! Of course.
I agree that it would be good to have an easier shortcut for
back/forward than alt+arrow keys, but backspace is a very bad choice. We
need to find something that doesn't cause confusion and dataloss. Any
ideas?
Well, 90% of web users (via IE)
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Claude Gohier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because for non-US keyboads, the right alt key is used as a special key
to get accented characters... So, we must use the left alt key, and both
hands.
Is there a particular reason why the shortcut isn't ctrl + left
Henri Sivonen wrote:
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Claude Gohier
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Because for non-US keyboads, the right alt key is used as a special key
to get accented characters... So, we must use the left alt key, and both
hands.
Is there a particular reason why the
Peter Mutsaers wrote:
Jonas Jørgensen wrote:
Doh! Of course.
I agree that it would be good to have an easier shortcut for
back/forward than alt+arrow keys, but backspace is a very bad choice.
We need to find something that doesn't cause confusion and dataloss.
Any ideas?
Well,
Always glad to correct mistaken impressions. Peter Trudelle said this in
npm.browser:
There seems to be some misconception about what open source is. The
code is controlled by module owners, who are under no compulsion to do
what 'the community' wants (assuming, hypothetically that the
I find it amusing that you say this, given IE's abundant use of
non-native widgets.
A Martinez wrote:
If this shortcut is mean to please IE users, then the first step is to
remove the XUL and put back an UI with native widgets so they really
find everything where they expect to be.
Ben Goodger wrote:
I find it amusing that you say this, given IE's abundant use of
non-native widgets.
A Martinez wrote:
If this shortcut is mean to please IE users, then the first step is to
remove the XUL and put back an UI with native widgets so they really
find everything where
They integrate those widgets in the OS, so they become native. Didn't
you heard something about DoJ vs MS?
IE's widgets are still different than the rest of the OS's.
If a user finds the same widget across various MS products and even some
other applications, then we can say surely that
Peter Lairo wrote:
BTW, what is *IIRC* ??? :)
You got this answer, but you might find www.acronymfinder.com useful in the
future.
-Dan Veditz
Jesse Ruderman wrote:
Netscape recently checked in [...]
C'mon, you know how things work here. Netscape did no such thing, it was
coders running amok because they thought it was neat and they could.
Complain to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you think module owners or super reviewers
aren't doing
Daniel Veditz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 18 Dec 2001:
Jesse Ruderman wrote:
Netscape recently checked in [...]
C'mon, you know how things work here. Netscape did no such thing,
it was coders running amok because they thought it was neat
Wrong. The point is that this is a convienient way for IE users to get
a feel for our product. Just because IE does it doesn't make it bad. I
myself will never use it, as I've grown up on alt left/right arrow.
As most Mozilla users you'll never use this shortcut, but Mozilla won't
care
DeMoN LaG wrote:
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 15 Dec 2001:
The first bugfix you mention is unconscionable, which is of
course why no mention was made of it. You think we can sneak this
one in without anyone noticing? Sure, just give me 15 minutes.
Jesse Ruderman wrote:
FAVICON.ICO
Bug 109843: 14 minutes from filing to checkin.
Mozilla now automatically attempts to retrieve favicon.ico the first time
a user visits a site, effectively making it impossible for sites to opt out
of the site-icon feature.
And if the favicon.ico
A Martinez wrote:
Jesse Ruderman wrote:
FAVICON.ICO
Bug 109843: 14 minutes from filing to checkin.
Mozilla now automatically attempts to retrieve favicon.ico the first
time
a user visits a site, effectively making it impossible for sites to
opt out
of the site-icon feature.
DeMoN LaG n@a wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Wait a second... AOL wants to have market share and some type of
control over the internet. Designing a browser that pisses off
webmasters makes them code to IE only so they don't deal with browsers
that annoy them. How
Nigel Poncewattle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 16 Dec 2001:
DeMoN LaG n@a wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Wait a second... AOL wants to have market share and some type of
control over the internet. Designing a browser
Shot down by who? Owners?
Jesse Ruderman wrote:
Netscape recently checked in three changes that had been discussed and shot
down in older bugs.
No, by the community. Apparently we were under the mistaken impression
that this product wasn't evolved strictly in accordance with the owners'
wishes.
How wrong we were.
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Ben Goodger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Shot down by who? Owners?
Jesse Ruderman wrote:
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED], on 15 Dec 2001:
The first bugfix you mention is unconscionable, which is of
course why no mention was made of it. You think we can sneak this
one in without anyone noticing? Sure, just give me 15 minutes.
Wait a second... AOL wants
On Sat, 15 Dec 2001 19:44:19 -0600, JTK, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jesse Ruderman wrote:
Netscape recently checked in three changes that had been discussed and
shot down in older bugs. I don't believe that they notified the
participants in any of the older bugs. Each change was
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