validating traditional signitures

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi all I've been noticing that when Mutt encounters a clearsigned pgp signiture that I'm not getting the little 's' flag in the index and I don't seem to be able to validate the signiture in anyway. What's all that about then? Many thanks - --

mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Theo Bierman
Hi All Does mutt come with ssl support? Here is my setup. My mail is sent to another machine on my network. To access it I ssh to that other box and then read my mail. The problem is when I want to attach files from my machine I have to scp them to the other machine and the same applies for

Re: validating traditional signitures

2002-01-21 Thread René Clerc
* Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [21-01-2002 09:23]: I've been noticing that when Mutt encounters a clearsigned pgp signiture that I'm not getting the little 's' flag in the index and I don't seem to be able to validate the signiture in anyway. Check out: EscP

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:28:34AM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: Hi All Does mutt come with ssl support? Here is my setup. My mail is sent to Yes. At least you can enable it at compile/configure time. It's something like --enable-ssl another machine on my network. To access it I ssh to that

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Theo Bierman
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:36:52AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:28:34AM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: Hi All Does mutt come with ssl support? Here is my setup. My mail is sent to Yes. At least you can enable it at compile/configure time. It's something like

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 11:05:35AM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: I downloaded mutt-1.3.25i.tar.gz and ran ./configure --enable-ssl and got the following error: configure: error: no curses library found is this because mutt-1.3.25i.tar.gz does not support it? No, this is because your

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-21 Thread Mr. Wade
Andreas Herceg wrote: OK, I did not know that X-Label is that common. Now I thought of just defining 'X-Coprija: coprija'. Now I would like to know if this would be against some standard which I do not know. Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] replied: my understanding is that X headers are

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Theo Bierman
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:14:18AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 11:05:35AM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: I downloaded mutt-1.3.25i.tar.gz and ran ./configure --enable-ssl and got the following error: configure: error: no curses library found is this

Re: my-hdr entry disappears after editing headers

2002-01-21 Thread David T-G
Andreas -- ...and then Andreas Herceg said... % % On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 08:11:18PM -0500, David T-G wrote: % | % | No, X-* is for defining your own headers, and there is no end to the list % | of them :-) % % That is exactly what I thought. % % | It's simply that mutt specifically

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 12:01:44PM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: {imap.web.de/ssl} Have you tried this before upgrading? Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly do I have to do? OK. 1) Press c (for change mailbox) 2) As mailboxname, enter {servername/ssl} 3) Then mutt

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Christian Ordig
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 09:39:52PM -0500, Derek D. Martin wrote: But how does it compare to mbox on the same FS? I'll bet it's still significantly slower. opening times might be ... but think about updating times and the no locking needed goodies :-) -- Christian Ordig Germany

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 06:45:54PM -0800 I heard the voice of Michael Elkins, and lo! it spake thus: Mutt attempts to compensate for this by using quoted-printable encoding when it detects things that might break a signature, thus escaping the problem. But yes, mbox format is more

Re: [Announce] Mutt-1.3.26 has been released.

2002-01-21 Thread Thomas Roessler
On 2002-01-19 01:56:56 -0800, A Guy Called Tyketto wrote: bradl@bellicha:/usr/local/src/mail/mutt gpg mutt-1.3.26i.tar.gz.asc gpg: Warning: using insecure memory! gpg: Signature made Fri 18 Jan 2002 03:45:17 AM PST using RSA key ID CE6AC6C1 gpg: BAD signature from Thomas Roessler [EMAIL

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Thomas Hurst
* Derek D. Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At some point hitherto, Will Yardley hath spake thusly: our office mail machine is (unfortunately) linux with ext2, and i can attest to the fact that Maildir is pretty slow on ext2. And most other filesystems... Try it on FAT. =8^) I think

setting Reply-To header

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone. I've been looking through the docs and can't find what controls the Reply-To header. I want to set folder-hooks for some mailing lists I subscribe to where the users are inclined to hit the 'reply button' in Outhouse rather than send to

Re: open-hook for tar.gz maildir archives

2002-01-21 Thread Michael Tatge
David T-G muttered: % how can i use close-hook and append-hook for tar.gz maildirs? You can't use append-hook; tar doesn't support appending (or at least not in any form that I've ever seen actually work, contrary to the promises made by the -a switch). Quoting tar's man page: -r,

Re: setting Reply-To header

2002-01-21 Thread Jim Mock
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 at 12:43:26 +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: Hi everyone. I've been looking through the docs and can't find what controls the Reply-To header. I want to set folder-hooks for some mailing lists I subscribe to where the users are inclined to hit the 'reply button' in Outhouse

Re: setting Reply-To header

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 13:15 * Ken Wahl said On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 12:43:26PM +0100, Nick Wilson wrote: Hi everyone. I've been looking through the docs and can't find what controls the Reply-To header. I want to set folder-hooks for some

Re: setting Reply-To header

2002-01-21 Thread Im Eunjea
* Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-01-21 13:51]: [...] Certainly seems to be it although I'm having a little trouble getting it to work. I keep getting a 'error missing parameter in line 316' (first line of the code below) send-hook . my_hdr Reply-To: Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: setting Reply-To header

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 14:12 * Im Eunjea said * Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2002-01-21 13:51]: [...] Certainly seems to be it although I'm having a little trouble getting it to work. I keep getting a 'error missing parameter in line

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Dave Price
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 05:25:56PM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: Remember that for many blind users these messages are being spoken to the reader by a voder. Where it's merely inconsiderate to not trim quotations when replying ordinarily, when replying to a blind user it becomes outright

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Theo Bierman
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 11:15:33AM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 12:01:44PM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: {imap.web.de/ssl} Have you tried this before upgrading? Please forgive my ignorance, but what exactly do I have to do? OK. 1) Press c (for

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Thomas Hurst
* Dave Price ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 05:25:56PM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: Where it's merely inconsiderate to not trim quotations when replying ordinarily, when replying to a blind user it becomes outright rude. Learn to use your screenreader better, and

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 03:32:18PM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: Downloaded mutt-1.3.26, I have installed ncurses, slang and openssl. Then ran ./configure --enable-imap --with-ssl and I'm getting an error as follows: checking for X509_new in -lcrypto... no configure: error: Unable to

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 14:40 * Thomas Hurst said * Dave Price ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 05:25:56PM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: Where it's merely inconsiderate to not trim quotations when replying ordinarily,

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 03:32:18PM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: I'm using debian right, so I did not download the tar.gz for openssl, I just ran a apt-get install openssl and it installed openssl_0.9.4-5_i386.deb. So whether it can find libcrypto I don't know, should I be using a diffeent

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Theo Bierman
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 02:42:59PM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 03:32:18PM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: Downloaded mutt-1.3.26, I have installed ncurses, slang and openssl. Then ran ./configure --enable-imap --with-ssl and I'm getting an error as follows:

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Theo Bierman
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 02:43:27PM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 03:32:18PM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: I'm using debian right, so I did not download the tar.gz for openssl, I just ran a apt-get install openssl and it installed openssl_0.9.4-5_i386.deb. So whether

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Preben Randhol
Dave Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (14:25) : Learn to use your screenreader better, and teach it to ignore or skip over quote chars at the start of a new line. There is no point in sending a load of quoted stuff to anybody. Cut it down to relevant part before you send. This is

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Preben Randhol
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (14:47) : people did that they don't that would make my life easier. However, if we spend all our time worrying about every minority problem/consideration we'll never get *anything* done :) Is it not a minority problem. Preben -- () Join

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Thomas Hurst
* Nick Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: * On 21-01-02 at 14:40 * Thomas Hurst said Being able to skip quotes is no excuse not to trim them; not caring whether people will simply ignore your message because it appears to have no content isn't either. How do you tell if you are

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 15:08 * Preben Randhol said Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (14:47) : people did that they don't that would make my life easier. However, if we spend all our time worrying about every minority

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 15:38 * Thomas Hurst said * Nick Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: How do you tell if you are sending to a blind user? You don't; quoting properly has nothing to do with who you're sending to, it's just basic email

OT: tar --append (was Re: open-hook for tar.gz maildir archives)

2002-01-21 Thread David T-G
Michael -- ...and then Michael Tatge said... % % David T-G muttered: % % how can i use close-hook and append-hook for tar.gz maildirs? % % You can't use append-hook; tar doesn't support appending (or at least not % in any form that I've ever seen actually work, contrary to the promises %

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, Thomas Hurst hath spake thusly: * Derek D. Martin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: At some point hitherto, Will Yardley hath spake thusly: our office mail machine is (unfortunately) linux with ext2, and i can attest to the fact that Maildir is pretty slow on ext2.

Re: OT: tar --append (was Re: open-hook for tar.gz maildir archives)

2002-01-21 Thread Thomas Hurst
* David T-G ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: ...and then Michael Tatge said... Quoting tar's man page: -r, --append append files to the end of an archive Works like charm. No kidding! I've never seen one work. What version of tar are you running? It should work fine provided tar

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, Dave Price hath spake thusly: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 05:25:56PM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: to the reader by a voder. Where it's merely inconsiderate to not trim quotations when replying ordinarily, when replying to a blind user it becomes outright rude.

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Knute
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Theo Bierman wrote: Downloaded mutt-1.3.26, I have installed ncurses, slang and openssl. Then ran ./configure --enable-imap --with-ssl and I'm getting an error as follows: checking for X509_new in -lcrypto... no configure: error: Unable to find SSL library I'm

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 16:47 * Derek D. Martin said Learn to use your screenreader better, and teach it to ignore or skip over quote chars at the start of a new line. That's a pretty inconsiderate attitude to take, and doesn't solve the

Re: mutt + ssl

2002-01-21 Thread Knute
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Theo Bierman wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 02:42:59PM +0100, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 03:32:18PM +0200, Theo Bierman wrote: You need to install openssl-dev as well :) (and ncurses-dev etc.) tried an apt-get install

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, Nick Wilson hath spake thusly: * On 21-01-02 at 15:08 * Preben Randhol said Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (14:47) : people did that they don't that would make my life easier. However, if we spend all our time worrying about every

Re: setting Reply-To header

2002-01-21 Thread Knute
On Mon, 21 Jan 2002, Nick Wilson wrote: Certainly seems to be it although I'm having a little trouble getting it to work. I keep getting a 'error missing parameter in line 316' (first line of the code below) send-hook . my_hdr Reply-To: Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] send-hook ~t [EMAIL

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Andy Davidson
At 04:50 AM 1/21/02 -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: Personally, I use maildir for all my 'active' mailboxes (read: the ones that mail gets delivered to and I read) because it's that much safer, easier and more efficient to alter, and roughly similar in speed to open. I use mbox for my archive

Re: setting Reply-To header

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 17:02 * Knute said You have your quotes in the wrong place. Try this: send-hook ~[EMAIL PROTECTED] my_hdr Reply-To: Mutt-Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] They way you had it, was telling mutt to only look in the to

Re: List of 3rd party apps for Mutt

2002-01-21 Thread Prahlad Vaidyanathan
Hi Jeremy and others, http://www.symonds.net/~prahladv/mutt.html is back up after a long hiatus. Sorry, but I was having trouble ssh-ing to the server, and was too busy to figure it out :-( Anyway, I will update it as and when something cool turns up. Meanwhile, do send in links to apps you

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 16:58 * Derek D. Martin said Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (14:47) : people did that they don't that would make my life easier. However, if we spend all our time worrying about every minority

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Will Yardley
Michael Elkins wrote: I'd be curious to get some feedback on my header caching patch for maildir folders (can be found at http://www.sigpipe.org:8080/mutt/). ok a little more feedback. overall performance is a little zippier, but if i leave a folder open and it receives messages, i get the

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Preben Randhol
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (17:20) : [snipped away several quotes that should have been cut down in the previous post] And there's where we differ, my point was just that the line above where preben decided to quote me was rather important. Is that where the hostile

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Preben Randhol
Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (16:50) : I think the quote is taken a little out of context. Bandwidth's a bugger on mailing lists huh? If you get about 1000 overquoted mails a day, it is. Preben -- () Join the worldwide campaign to protect fundamental human rights.

Re: Bold text

2002-01-21 Thread giorgian
On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:35:15PM -0600, David Champion wrote: This message is in enriched text. Here's some text in boldfaced type. Here's italic. You can also do formatting -- you can everything works for me (mutt 1.3.25) but the italic (i saw it underlined) and justified text (which was

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 17:41 * Preben Randhol said Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (17:20) : And there's where we differ, my point was just that the line above where preben decided to quote me was rather important. Is that

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, Nick Wilson hath spake thusly: * On 21-01-02 at 16:58 * Derek D. Martin said [Preben said:] Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (14:47) : people did that they don't that would make my life easier. However, if we spend all our time

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 18:07 * Derek D. Martin said If you're not following the thread, but you suddenly decide it's important, GO BACK AND READ THE THREAD! You've already received the e-mails, so you should have them. If you don't, there's

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread David T-G
Andy -- ...and then Andy Davidson said... % % At 04:50 AM 1/21/02 -0600, Matthew D. Fuller wrote: % % Personally, I use maildir for all my 'active' mailboxes (read: the ones ... % I use mbox for my archive mailboxes, because it's simpler and more compact ... % % I am in the process of

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread David T-G
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % I agree, I've been agreeing all along, I'm not sure where I've picked up % the 'Nick believes in over-quoting' badge. Not true, not true. Come, Nick... Join me... Join the dark side and piss off everyone on the mutt-users list... I am your father!

Re: Bold text

2002-01-21 Thread David Champion
On 2002.01.21, in 20020121164625.GB2845@neuromancer, giorgian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jan 07, 2002 at 12:35:15PM -0600, David Champion wrote: This message is in enriched text. Here's some text in boldfaced type. Here's italic. You can also do formatting -- you can

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread David T-G
Nick, et al -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % * On 21-01-02 at 18:07 % * Derek D. Martin said % % If you're not following the thread, but you suddenly decide it's % important, GO BACK AND READ THE THREAD! You've already received the % e-mails, so you should have them. If you

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 18:27 * David T-G said % I agree, I've been agreeing all along, I'm not sure where I've picked up % the 'Nick believes in over-quoting' badge. Not true, not true. Come, Nick... Join me... Join the dark side and piss off

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Derek D. Martin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 At some point hitherto, Nick Wilson hath spake thusly: If you're not following the thread, but you suddenly decide it's important, GO BACK AND READ THE THREAD! You've already received the e-mails, so you should have them. If you don't,

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, David T-G hath spake thusly: % Disagree, all this GO BACK AND READ THE THREAD! nonsense is insulting. % Of course I've been reading the thread. I don't think the comment is directed at you; we know you've been reading. I think that the argument is that leaving in

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread David T-G
Nick -- ...and then Nick Wilson said... % % * On 21-01-02 at 18:27 % * David T-G said % % % the 'Nick believes in over-quoting' badge. Not true, not true. % % Come, Nick... Join me... Join the dark side and piss off everyone on % the mutt-users list... I am your father! % % Haha,

Re: new mail in folders

2002-01-21 Thread Carl B. Constantine
* Cameron Simpson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | Anyone have ideas on how to get this to work? (NOTE: my home machine | uses BASH and I'm using tcsh here at work if that makes any difference). | | That's the problem, the `for file in...` bit is run with whatever your | default shell is, and

Re: new mail in folders

2002-01-21 Thread David T-G
Carl -- ...and then Carl B. Constantine said... % % * Cameron Simpson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: % | Anyone have ideas on how to get this to work? (NOTE: my home machine ... % | That's the problem, the `for file in...` bit is run with whatever your % | default shell is, and that's won't

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Andy Davidson
I wrote: % And it appears that the archive mailboxes *have* to be mboxes. % If I try to save a message to an existing maildir folder, mutt objects. At 12:17 PM 1/21/02 -0500, David T-G wrote: Um, that shouldn't be the case. mutt will happily read and write mbox, Maildir, MMDF, and MH

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Preben Randhol
Derek D. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 21/01/2002 (18:05) : See above where Preben said this is not a minority problem. He was refering to the fact that it is a much BROADER problem than just one that affects minorities. Your comment is irrelevant to that argument. (Preben: please

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 14:45 21 Jan 2002, Nick Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | That would still leave you with a truckload of repeated and mostly | irrelevent cruft, and not only for someone using a screenreader. | | Being able to skip quotes is no excuse not to trim them; not caring | whether people will

Re: new mail in folders

2002-01-21 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 09:59 21 Jan 2002, Carl B. Constantine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | * Cameron Simpson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: | | Anyone have ideas on how to get this to work? (NOTE: my home machine | | uses BASH and I'm using tcsh here at work if that makes any difference). | | | | That's the

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 22:15 * Cameron Simpson said | | How do you tell if you are sending to a blind user? You can't. It's rude anyway. The amount of time you spend trimming stuff Rude to do what? I don't follow you. to just the relevant

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Alexander Skwar
So sprach »Benjamin Michotte« am 2002-01-20 um 19:33:10 +0100 : What are the benefits of using one type over the other? opening a mbox with ± 7000 mails : less than 10 seconds. opening the same in Maildir : 3 minutes... With mutt, I get the same kind of results. However, other MUAs behave

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 22:29 * Nick Wilson said Seeing as the sender of these next few lines didn't seem to want to send them to the list. Here they are in all thier glory. - --- Funny that your reply on 'not trimming' was hardly (if at

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Alexander Skwar
So sprach »Christian Ordig« am 2002-01-21 um 11:22:04 +0100 : opening times might be ... but think about updating times and the Well, that's true, however, updating times aren't *that* important for me. When I receive new mail, I let procmail sort it into appropriate mailfiles; each list has

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread René Clerc
* David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [21-01-2002 18:56]: [to Nick] You should change your quote char. I'd find '@' particularly annoying, and nobody is using it yet. I've finally come to my senses; changed from '| ' to ' '. Now it's up to that other pagan, David, to change ;) -- René Clerc

Re: validating traditional signitures

2002-01-21 Thread alpha
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:32:49AM +0100, Ren Clerc wrote: that I'm not getting the little 's' flag in the index and I don't seem to be able to validate the signiture in anyway. Check out: EscPcheck-traditional-pgp Ok, and how about validating 'normal' (mime) signatures on

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Brian Foley
* Nick Wilson [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] on [21-01-02] wrote: Seeing as the sender of these next few lines didn't seem to want to send them to the list. Here they are in all thier glory. I got this email, did you bounce it to mutt-users as well? I'm sorry guys but I feel that my messages are

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
* On 21-01-02 at 23:04 * René Clerc said * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [21-01-2002 18:56]: [to Nick] You should change your quote char. I'd find '@' particularly annoying, and nobody is using it yet. Reckon there could be a reason there David. Hehe. I've finally come to my

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 23:17 * Brian Foley said Some of the more extreme past members of this list would have blasted you out of the water for: a) using a two-line attribution at the top of all your quotes Oops, I just thought it looked neater

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 * On 21-01-02 at 23:17 * Brian Foley said I got this email, did you bounce it to mutt-users as well? Yes, sorry about that I thought it would just end up in the thread where it belonged. - -- Nick Wilson Tel:+45 3325 0688 Fax:+45

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Brian Clark
* Nick Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 21. 2002 17:17]: You think that'll happen? I like the @ idea but I think or could be pretty bad too. Oh no, that's not the worst. I've seen something like this on this list in the past, *in jest*, in a similar thread: This line is quoted text

Folder Format

2002-01-21 Thread Nick Croft
Mutt Users, I'm trying to get a uniform look and feel to mutt on 3 machines, all running Debian. Version is 1.3.25i. The folder_format is set to the standard %F %-8.8u %-8.8g %d %8s %N %f on all three machines, yet the %N value only shows up on one of them when I do c ? to the see the

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park
Alas! Nick Wilson spake thus: How do you tell if you are sending to a blind user? Are you blind?? -- Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- People who think MS-DOS and Windows are the slickest thing since sliced butter should be forced to wear a sign stating This mind intentionally left

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park
Alas! Nick Wilson spake thus: * On 21-01-02 at 23:17 Brian Foley said Some of the more extreme past members of this list would have blasted you out of the water for: a) using a two-line attribution at the top of all your quotes Oops, I just thought it looked neater as it was a

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Jonathan Irving
Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] [21 Jan 2002 17:56 -0500]: I've seen something like this on this list in the past, *in jest*, in a similar thread: This line is quoted text This line is quoted text Emacs and Pine both support per-message quote characters. I think the idea is to choose

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Brian Clark
* Jonathan Irving ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 21. 2002 18:57]: [...] Emacs and Pine both support per-message quote characters. I think the idea is to choose something that identifies the person, like: Hehe, no no, I meant *that exact quote prefix* :-) It'd take me forever to find the thread

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Jonathan Irving
Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] [21 Jan 2002 19:04 -0500]: * Jonathan Irving ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 21. 2002 18:57]: Emacs and Pine both support per-message quote characters. I think the idea is to choose something that identifies the person, like: Hehe, no no, I meant *that exact

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Christian Ordig
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 10:37:01PM +0100, Alexander Skwar wrote: running reiserfs. well ... as tests showed, ReiserFS seems to be a _really_ slow beast when it comes to read Maildir folders ... tried with Ext2/3? Should be really faster. -- Christian Ordig Germany

Re: tool to decode mime encoded lines?

2002-01-21 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 13:53 13 Nov 2001, Andy Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Just a quick question: | Is there a unix tool to convert something like this | Subject: Para =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Carlos_Lavalle_?= | into this | Subject: Para José Carlos Lavalle Procmail can be used for this: : 0hc

Re: anonymous CVS access

2002-01-21 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 23:05 09 Nov 2001, Thomas Roessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On 2001-11-09 13:03:36 -0600, Peter Horst wrote: | Is anonymous checkout of the mutt CVS allowed? If so, what is the | procedure? I couldn't find a single reference to it in the list | archives, and the directions given at the

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Rob 'Feztaa' Park
Alas! Brian Clark spake thus: I've used clients like TheBat! before that do it as you've pointed out below: BCThis line is quoted text BCThis line is quoted text TheBat! is by far the best windows mail program I've seen (unless mutt is available for windows and I don't know about

Re: Folder Format

2002-01-21 Thread Knute
On Tue, 22 Jan 2002, Nick Croft wrote: Mutt Users, I'm trying to get a uniform look and feel to mutt on 3 machines, all running Debian. Version is 1.3.25i. The folder_format is set to the standard %F %-8.8u %-8.8g %d %8s %N %f on all three machines, yet the %N value only shows up on

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, René Clerc hath spake thusly: I've finally come to my senses; changed from '| ' to ' '. Now it's up to that other pagan, David, to change ;) And there was much rejoicing... ;-) -- Derek Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Derek D. Martin
At some point hitherto, Alexander Skwar hath spake thusly: The Maildir/mbox I tested, had 84.533 messages and about 321 MB. Opening Eh? How does one have .533 messages in a mailbox? Perhaps fractional messages are some feature of Maildir that I was unaware of? Um... Oh, are you European?

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Thomas Hurst
_Replying to a message_ By: Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mutt Users' List [EMAIL PROTECTED] On: Monday, January 21, 2002, 16:54:47 -0700 Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers Alas! Nick Wilson spake thus: * On 21-01-02 at 23:17 Brian Foley said I think it

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Thomas Hurst
No, the most annoying way is to indent using spaces, with Outlook style replies (i.e, 2-3 lines right at the top of the message). Nice huh? :) Several times I've found myself reading the quoted text thinking it's the actual reply and wondering why it looks so familiar.. * Brian Clark ([EMAIL

Re: blind etiquette Re: mutt for blind computerusers

2002-01-21 Thread Brian Clark
* Rob 'Feztaa' Park ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [Jan 21. 2002 20:05]: TheBat! is by far the best windows mail program I've seen (unless mutt is available for windows and I don't know about it). It sure beats Netscape Mail or LookOut, anyway. Yes, it's a good client. I used SecureBat! with the iKey

Re: maildir over mbox?

2002-01-21 Thread Matthew D. Fuller
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:26:55PM -0500 I heard the voice of Derek D. Martin, and lo! it spake thus: Um... Oh, are you European? I seem to recall that Europeans switch the meaning of '.' and ',' in numbers, as compared to us US types... So perhaps you meant eighty-four thousand five

Re: tool to decode mime encoded lines?

2002-01-21 Thread Andy Spiegl
Hi Cameron, On 13:53 13 Nov 2001, Andy Spiegl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Just a quick question: | Is there a unix tool to convert something like this | Subject: Para =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Carlos_Lavalle_?= | into this | Subject: Para José Carlos Lavalle Procmail can be used for this:

Re: Mutt IMAP -- how good?

2002-01-21 Thread David Rock
On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 09:37:55PM -0500, Samuel Padgett wrote: I'm considering switching to IMAP. How good is Mutt as an IMAP client? I'm currently just accessing local mbox files directly, but I'd like to be able to access my mail from other machines. I use IMAP to access the Exchange

X-Face Header in mutt

2002-01-21 Thread budsz
Hi, How to make some header like this: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Face:

Re: X-Face Header in mutt

2002-01-21 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
On Tue, Jan 22, 2002 at 01:41:09PM +0700, budsz wrote: Hi, How to make some header like this: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.25i X-Face: