New Mail, but how to scroll index to see it?
hello, when i get new mail, i see the New Mail notification on the bottom, below the status line. However, what annoys me is that the new message is hidden below the status line. is there any way to make the index scroll on arrival of a new message? hope i explained myself clearly... thanks, denis -- // mailto: Denis Perelyubskiy [EMAIL PROTECTED] // icq : 12359698 // PGP : http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~denisp/files/pgp.asc
LWN
Hi all! Check out the first Letters to the Editor in today's Linux Weekly News (www.lwn.net), it contains some critique of mutt by Erik Kidd. To me, all of it doesn't seem accurate, e.g. Mutt can't search message bodies., but I guess someone more knowledgeful than I am could compose a response. A discussion of the points he raises could be interesting here, as well. Jesper -- Jesper Holmberg|But how can | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | one be warm | ENST Br, BP 832, 29285 Brest, FRANCE | alone? |
Re: From: and From
I need to have a look at set envelope_from. After a talk with the ml moderator, I know now that this is the 'Sender:' header that is wrong. Thanks, Christophe On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 11:42:55AM -0800, Michael Elkins wrote: I believe you want to set envelope_from to force your envelope adderess to be the same as your From: address. me -- Christophe Barbé [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FingerPrint: E0F6 FADF 2A5C F072 6AF8 F67A 8F45 2F1E D72C B41E msg21144/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: $attribution/$post_indent_string for new mail
Volker -- ...and then Volker Moell said... % David T-G wrote: % % I still don't see how you would use such data. What am I missing? % % Say replying to Foo Bar (with $attribution/$post_indent_string) I get % this preformated mail: % % % Hi, Foo Bar! % % what's up? % % -volker % -- % sig % ... % % What I want is a preformated mail on the same way as replying: % % % Hi, Foo Bar! % % -volker % -- % sig % Oh. I see. Using the real name data like that never occurred to me because it's so often not what I would put at the top of a note :-) I finally get it, though. % % I really don't get the reason why $attribution and $post_indent_string % only work in replies. Ok, the %n in $attribution has to be replaced not % with thr realname part of the replied message but with the one from the % To: I just typed in. (and the %s don't make a sense, it was designed % not for Hi, %! but for %n wrote on %d, and so on ;). And the % $post_indent_string would come after *non* indenting anything... At this point all I can suggest is writing a patch :-) Once one is written, though, it might get integrated into the source if for no other reason than consistency (all expandos are available in all emails)... Of course, I have no idea how these expandos are populated, so I don't know how much work it would be and how it might change the code -- but it's worth a try! % % % Thanks though for the discussion, And thanks for the explanation! % % -volker % % -- % http://die-Moells.de/ * http://Stama90.de/ * http://ScriptDale.de/ % % Bud: I've got some bad news. % Al: The traditional Bundy greeting. :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg21145/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
Brian -- ...and then Brian Clark said... % * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Dec 05. 2001 21:33]: % % % I'm using GnuPG and some recipients' clients do not have the capability % % to decipher PGP/MIME (see: Windows; TheBat!). % % ultimate_flame_warScrew 'em!/ultimate_flame_war % % Flamewars aside, if you ever have to use Windows, TheBat! is actually an % exceptional MUA. (unless one wanted to use Mutt with Cygwin(sp?).) So I hear. I'd like to poke at it, because I know some folks who could probably use a Good Mail Program but are just stuck in the Windows world. I haven't gotten around to it, though. But I couldn't resist :-) % % % macro compose \Cp Fgpg --clearsign\ny PGP clearsign ... % Ick. That is one way to do it, and is unfortunately necessary when using % a charset other than us-ascii and perhaps when attaching a file % (but that bit is untested), but doing it within mutt would be so much % nicer. % % I was reeeally hoping the HOW-TO's were going to say, oh yeah, that's % eeeasy. :-) The manual says clear signing is seriously depreciated, but Or even deprecated; I don't think it's had a lot of monetary value at any point ;-) % there are a ton of people out there unfamiliar with PGP/MIME. That makes Yep. That's true. Care to take up the Cause Of Spreading The Word? % me wonder why the author(s) of Mutt didn't go ahead and add in support % for clear signing that's on par with its PGP/MIME ease of use. Well, it is; just set $pgp_create_traditional and you're now doing it the old way instead of the MIME way with no other changes. % % I have had wonderful success with the stock $pgp_create_traditional and % the patch-supplied $pgp_outlook_compat settings; when both are yes, % even LookOut! users can read and reply to my signed mail. % % I'd have to figure out how to patch a source deb and rebuild it. I've % never done that before, but.. I think you got some other replies to this, but you could always just patch the source itself after you pull it down from ftp.mutt.org :-) % % % Now, I keep seeing references to a pgp-menu function in various HOW-TO ... % (or execute your macro from above). When you hit 'p' from there, % you enter the pgp menu; you can, IIRC, sign, sign as, encrypt, both, % or forget it and send cleartext. % % Hitting p from the compose menu is what I wasn't getting. LOL If I think % about it for a while, I realize how silly that is for me to overlook % that. You'll forgive my not answering the previous paragraph, then :-) % % % I'm using vim for my editor, and I can't seem to figure out how to ... % I'd do it from mutt rather than vim; mutt knows how to pass the recipient % info off. % % Yep, but hittin p from the compose menu is going to drop back to % PGP/MIME, AFAIK, right? Not if you have $p_c_t set. The pgp menu is (perhaps only ideally given the at least one valid need for using the macro method) the only interface to pgp that you need; the PGP: Clear means clear text that is neither signed nor encrypted, not what some folks call clearsigning or in-line signing or ascii armoring or ... % % % I'm basically looking for tips/suggestions to make my life easier, % % if someone has any to offer. % % You might try the archives, but signing and encryption come up a lot. I % haven't checked, but a query for signing outlook might be sufficient. % % And off I go.. (again) ;-) Have fun :-) % % Thanks again, David. Sure thing. HTH :-) % % -- % -Brian Clark :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg21148/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
Will -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % Brian Clark wrote: % * David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Dec 05. 2001 21:33]: % % % I'm using GnuPG and some recipients' clients do not have the % capability % to decipher PGP/MIME (see: Windows; TheBat!). % % ultimate_flame_warScrew 'em!/ultimate_flame_war % % Flamewars aside, if you ever have to use Windows, TheBat! is actually % an exceptional MUA. (unless one wanted to use Mutt with Cygwin(sp?).) % % i have heard that becky! is pretty good and can read PGP/Mime i think, Cool; thanks for the info. ... % it's not free (and for that matter it seems to be difficult to pay for % it even if you wanted to)... Of course, this can make it tricky :-) --8-- snip --8-- % % does doing :set pgp_outlook_compat? or whatever the option is work? is It has for me (once I remembered to work around my default send-hook :-) % the option mentioned in the muttrc (5) man page? i build from source on % my mail machine, but on a woody machine at work the pgp_outlook_compat % option is mentioned already. I imagine the patch is compiled in, then; the sure way to find out is to check its value from within mutt. If you've seen my `mutt -v` and/or been to my mutt-build-cocktail page and are expecting the Feature Patch output, don't be misled; I keep that bit of C code because I like the listing, but it's from the old, old, old days (and if two of my patches didn't require it by default I probably wouldn't bother with it after all). % % -- % William Yardley System Administrator, Newdream Network % [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://infinitejazz.net/will/pgp/gpg.asc :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg21149/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to have mutt show new mail on index ?
Barazani -- ...and then Bara Zani said... % Hi All , Hello! % I use mutt and fetchmail to retrive mail % how ever if i leave mutt open it will not show new messeges on % index unless i press a key % i have check_mail=yes in my .muttrc but it does not seem to work % any idea's ? What is the value in $timeout (default is 600, or ten minutes)? See the Fine Manual for more information. % thanks HTH HAND % barazani :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg21150/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: (New mails) Where is the problem origin?
Clebor -- ...and then Cleber S. Mori said... % Hi all! Hello! % % It's me again, I'm feeling like disturbing you guys, sorry :) No worries -- yet :-) % % I'm having a problem with mutt finding new mails, even after all the % mailboxes var and etc. set, Mutt still don't find folders with new mails. % % I found the problem, but not the problem origin. What is happening is that ... % The problem is that *something* is touching the file. % % Any one has had this problem? I thought that procmail was doing something % wrong, and I upgraded-it (v3.22), but the problem persists. Oh, lots and lots of folks. You could check the archives for more if you were interested. % % Any one, have a clue? The usual places to check are your shell and any new mail notification programs along with improperly-configured backup tools (a rare one). Make *sure* that your shell isn't watching any mail files and that you're not running anything like biff, xbiff, newmail, or the like. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg21151/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: subject tag removal
Dear diary, on Fri, Nov 30, 2001 at 12:07:15AM CET, I got a letter, where Curt W. Zirzow [EMAIL PROTECTED] told me, that... This has probably been rehashed a few times in the list but I'm trying to find an efficient way to remove the tag for mailing lists. For example: Subject: [maillist] this is subject. I want to read: Subject: this is subject I have created a script that is filtered through procmail but is there a mutt solution for this? Just in hope this will help anyone... I don't remove this tag from subject, I just want to keep having threading right, but reply appears as [tag] Re:, not Re: [tag], so no threading. This solves that: set reply_regexp=^((\\[|\\()[^]]+(\\]|\\)))?([ \t]*(re([\\[0-9\\]+])*|aw):[ \t]*)? Yup, it looks awful and it can be simplified (using [] instead of (|)), however this way it works for me so I'm not going to dig in it anymore :). -- Petr Pasky Baudis UN*X programmer, UN*X administrator, hobbies = IPv6, IRC, FreeCiv hacking . A common mistake that people make, when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -- Douglas Adams in Mostly Harmless . Public PGP key, geekcode and stuff: http://pasky.ji.cz/~pasky/
Re: Mutt finding new mail
On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 03:10:44PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: well i think the question was how mutt knows which folders have new mail. for mbox folders it uses the modification time (mtime i think, but i always get that crap mixed up) to see when the file was last modified. A bit of extra info: it compares the access time to the modification time, to see if there has been any new mail added since the last time you looked at the folder. - Paul -- Paul Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: LWN
On 2001-12-06 11:24:28 +0100, Jesper Holmberg wrote: Check out the first Letters to the Editor in today's Linux Weekly News (www.lwn.net), it contains some critique of mutt by Erik Kidd. To me, all of it doesn't seem accurate, e.g. Mutt can't search message bodies. Frankly, I don't think it's a good idea to start a MUA war between Mutt and Evolution. Eventually, Evolution will eat our lunch for all those users who'd prefer something with a GUI, but have sticked with mutt so far because most current GUI MUAs suck too much (think Kmail). Also, the more integrated the entire Gnome desktop becomes, the more attractive Evolution will be. Finally, it'll eat our lunch with all those who actually want a PIM (see below). I don't have a problem with this - that's live. After all, mutt has been eating elm's lunch to a certain degree, too. Concerning Erik Kidd's individual arguments: - There is ~b to search e-mail messages' bodies, but it's slow. - He's right about mutt being inherently modal. Curing that is not possible with the kind of interface we have today. I.e., it won't change. - Concerning reading HTML-only e-mails, it's easy enough to configure mutt to do this right. Of course, it's still easier for users when it just works. - Concerning index caching, Eric is right. Mutt is slow at loading folders when compared to a MUA which caches all the meta information in some kind of database. Adding something like this to mutt would be feasible. It would, however, ruin the designed-in robustness advantages of maildir folders (for instance). - Palm integration and the contact database: Mutt normally doesn't work on a new-style contact database where you store all the information about other individuals. It's, so to speak, quite old-fashioned in this. This _may_ be cured (at least partially) by using abook - which is, bad enough, lacking Palm integration. On the other hand, I prefer my personal contact database (which resides on the Palm and its backups) to be reasonably small - as opposed to my e-mail address database, which just eats all the addresses my lbdb ever encounters in e-mail headers. So, what does this mean when we summarize? Mutt is an old-style Unix mail user agent, with modern features. It's quite good at that. It can be a very efficient environment if you're used to it (and know how to handle the limitations) - in particular for those having to handle lots of e-mail. Evolution is a new-style Personal Information Manager - that is, e-mail plus organizer plus handheld integration, plus exploiting synergies between these modules, plus integration with the user's GUI. From what I've seen and heard so far, Evolution seems to be doing its job quite well (just like the rest of Ximian GNOME). Congratulations. I wish these guys success. (But I'll nevertheless continue to use and maintain mutt. ;-) -- Thomas Roesslerhttp://log.does-not-exist.org/
Re: From: and From
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 11:40:44AM +0100, christophe barbé wrote: I need to have a look at set envelope_from. After a talk with the ml moderator, I know now that this is the 'Sender:' header that is wrong. Thanks, Christophe On Wed, Dec 05, 2001 at 11:42:55AM -0800, Michael Elkins wrote: I believe you want to set envelope_from to force your envelope adderess to be the same as your From: address. me I've set envelope_from and to see an effect I've added myself in the exim conf as a privileged user (otherwise the -f option is ignored). So it solved my problem but I would prefer to list myself as a privileged exim user. I don't know how balsa does (it's also configured to used my local MTA) but mail sent with balsa doesn't have a 'Sender:' header and the 'From ' first line is based on the 'From: ' one. Christophe ... -- Christophe Barbé [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FingerPrint: E0F6 FADF 2A5C F072 6AF8 F67A 8F45 2F1E D72C B41E msg21155/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LWN
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 12:43:17PM +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: Evolution is a new-style Personal Information Manager - that is, Funnily it looks just like Outlook, which of course all the MS hating geeks have been moaning about ;) So MS must have got something right. Steve p.s. geek is not meant in a derogatory manner, just a generalisation. -- NetTek Ltd tel +44-(0)20 7483 1169 fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 Flat 2,43 Howitt Road, Belsize Park,London NW3 4LU mobile 07775 755503 Epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] [body only]
Re: (New mails) Where is the problem origin?
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 06:20:27AM -0500, David T-G wrote: Clebor -- ...and then Cleber S. Mori said... % I'm having a problem with mutt finding new mails, even after all the % mailboxes var and etc. set, Mutt still don't find folders with new mails. % % I found the problem, but not the problem origin. What is happening is that ... % The problem is that *something* is touching the file. % % % Any one, have a clue? The usual places to check are your shell and any new mail notification programs along with improperly-configured backup tools (a rare one). Make *sure* that your shell isn't watching any mail files and that you're not running anything like biff, xbiff, newmail, or the like. Tkdesk is another possible culprit. Are you running inetd ? If so disable the comsat service in inetd.conf (put a # in front of it in inetd.conf and send a SIGHUP to the inetd process). -- Regards Cliff
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
At 06:03 AM 12/6/2001 -0500, David T-G wrote: % Flamewars aside, if you ever have to use Windows, TheBat! is actually an % exceptional MUA. (unless one wanted to use Mutt with Cygwin(sp?).) So I hear. I'd like to poke at it, because I know some folks who could probably use a Good Mail Program but are just stuck in the Windows world. I haven't gotten around to it, though. I'm I am one of those people who are stuck in Windows world and could use a good mail program. I'm stuck in the Windows world because I must use speech recognition thanks to too many hours on the keyboard nuking my hands/arms. All my mail is stored in IMAP folders (over 230) with about 50 active folders. The rest are archival information. I'm looking at mutt to see if it can potentially be a replacement for Eudora (which sucks horribly but sucks far less than any other mail client I've tried). One of the things I would need to do with mutt is disable all of the keystroke activated commands and replace it with a gateway to my speech recognition environment (NaturallySpeaking). Misrecognitions do horrible things with keystroke driven user interfaces. Imagine how usable mutt would be if you had someone randomly typing words instead of the command you wanted. And yes, I really want us to run on a Windows environment because I want to integrate a mailer into my speech recognition environment, drive browsers, and work with local files no matter where I take my laptop with or without net connection. % there are a ton of people out there unfamiliar with PGP/MIME. That makes Yep. That's true. Care to take up the Cause Of Spreading The Word? the problem with the PGP world is that it's overly complicated and has absolutely horrible human factors problem. I'm working on an antispam system called camram ( http://harvee.billerica.ma.us/~esj/camram.html) and its based on proof of work postage stamps and opportunistic digital signatures. We've created a framework where once you have established communication with someone with e-mail + proof of work postage stamp, you have created an opportunity for exchanging public keys automatically. Once you have exchange those keys you then create an opportunity for automatic signing/encryption. Human factors requires that keys be unprotected (no pass phrase) which is perfectly OK for envelope like protection. It's also important for people like myself because it hurts to type a pass phrase and I haven't gotten around to creating a pass phrase/password management vocabulary for NaturallySpeaking. I'm not really comfortable with plain text passwords and I'm not sure how I can protect them otherwise. One of the important side effects of this technique is that it makes encryption of e-mail ordinary, everyday, and very non scary for the naive computer user. It also creates an opportunity for someone to say if I want to make this more secure, how can I do it? which is the clue that they are ready to hear more information and take the right steps. I'm looking for people to write code (since I can't anymore) and help me with prototyping the camram techniques. Realistically, we would end up with plug-ins for Eudora and Outlook and a toolkit for other e-mail clients to use. Ideally, camram would be integrated into an e-mail client but that's a long-term goal. --- eric
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 08:25:49AM -0500, Eric S. Johansson wrote: I'm I am one of those people who are stuck in Windows world and could use a good mail program. I'm stuck in the Windows world because I must use Use mutt under cygwin. Yes, it works. -- Ralf Hildebrandt (Im Auftrag des Referat V A) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charite Campus Virchow-Klinikum Tel. +49 (0)30-450 570-155 Referat V A - Kommunikationsnetze - Fax. +49 (0)30-450 570-916 All software sucks. Everybody is considered a jerk by somebody. The sun rises, the sun sets, the Sun crashes, lusers are LARTed, BOFHs get drunk. It is the way of things.
Re: Maildir is not Updated
On (02/12/01 17:43), Mark Brown wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 09:05:57AM -0800, Curt W. Zirzow wrote: On Sun, Dec 02, 2001 at 02:22:33PM +0100, Benjamin Michotte wrote: 2 minutes 38 to open my in.mutt maildir (± 6000 mails) instead of 18 secondes to the same in mbox format Wow, I knew maildir was slower but not by that much. I guess it has to do with reading each individual file instead of scanning the mbox. Maildir isn't faster or slower than mbox, it just uses the filesystem in a very different way to mbox. I've had exactly the opposite experience - order of magnitude speed increases from using Maildir. Me two. A. -- Homepage: http://ailbhe.ossifrage.net/
Maildir and new mail notification
Hi Since changing to Maildir format, I have noticed some odd behaviour - if I am in a folder while it receives new mail, I don't get notified. If I change to another folder, I immediately get notified of any new mail in the first folder. What have I missed? A. -- Homepage: http://ailbhe.ossifrage.net/
text/html entry in mailcap not working ....
Hi to all , after reading the manual and the Muttrc file ( and a little help from Rick ,thanks again ). mutt is working just like i want it to . only thing standing between me and mutt nirvana is the html attachments ;~( here's what i came up with ( and still not working .) .muttrc set mailcap_path=~/mail/mailcap .mime.types text/html html htm ~/mail/mailcap text/html; /usr/local/bin/lynx %s; what is wrong ? thanks again barazani
Re: text/html entry in mailcap not working ....
Bara Zani wrote: only thing standing between me and mutt nirvana is the html attachments ;~( here's what i came up with ( and still not working .) .muttrc set mailcap_path=~/mail/mailcap .mime.types text/html html htm ~/mail/mailcap text/html;/usr/local/bin/lynx %s; what is wrong ? does it work if hit 'v' and then hit enter while selecting the attachment? perhaps you just need to put: # view annoying html mail inline auto_view text/html in your .muttrc? this will 'autoview' html messages. i also have: alternative_order text/plain text/enriched text/html which means mutt will prefer a text version to an html version. i have this in my .mailcap: text/html; w3m -dump %s; nametemplate=%s.html; copiousoutput HTH -- William Yardley System Administrator, Newdream Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://infinitejazz.net/will/pgp/gpg.asc
Re: text/html entry in mailcap not working ....
Bara Zani schrieb: Hi to all , after reading the manual and the Muttrc file ( and a little help from Rick ,thanks again ). mutt is working just like i want it to . only thing standing between me and mutt nirvana is the html attachments ;~( here's what i came up with ( and still not working .) [...] ~/mail/mailcap text/html;/usr/local/bin/lynx %s; Here's mine: alex@whizzo:~# cat .mailcap text/html ; html2text %s ; copiousoutput; nametemplate=%s.html #text/html ; lynx -underscore -dump -force_html %s ; copiousoutput #text/html ; w3m -dump -T text/html %s ; copiousoutput Alex -- Alexander Wasmuth http://alexander.wasmuth.org/
Fast way to folder browser
Hi everybody, I've only switched from pine to mutt yesterday, and after having read a lot of mutt docs, it took me only about an hour to set up my custom .muttrc and migrate the filters for the 12 mailing lists I am subscribed to from pine to procmail/mutt. Anyway, there's one issue left which I have not yet been able to solve: When I am inside of mutt and press c to change to a different mailbox, I always get the Enter mailbox name or ? for list message, which is fairly normal, I think. However, I would like to know if there is a way to make c bring me right into the folder browser, without asking me to enter a mailbox name or pressing ?. Any suggestions are welcome! Greetings Nils
Re: Fast way to folder browser
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 03:06:35PM +0100, Nils Holland wrote: However, I would like to know if there is a way to make c bring me right into the folder browser, without asking me to enter a mailbox name or pressing ?. how about this: macro pager c change-foldertab macro index c change-foldertab seems to work for me :) -- Dan Boger Linux MVP brainbench.com msg21166/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
At 10:17 AM 12/6/2001 -0500, David T-G wrote: % system called camram ( http://harvee.billerica.ma.us/~esj/camram.html) and % its based on proof of work postage stamps and opportunistic digital This is interesting. There was a proposal a while back for automatic encryption that used a few headers to automatically ask for or advertise a key and it made PGP a lot more manageable by making it automatic. I can't for the life of me remember what it was, but it was either in this list or another. If you're interested I can dig it up to provide you the reference for your work. that would be wonderful! Even if I reinvent the wheel, I still want to know the intellectual ancestors of the ideas so I can make sure I'm on the right track. It would also be really swell if I could interest someone on the mutt team would be to develop camram functionality for Mutt.
Re: Command line options
Barney -- ...and then Barney Wells said... % % % don't get these type of files, I don't know any other way to % % install the program on SCO unix. % % Do you have a compiler, either stock or GNU, or is SCO one of those % horribly stricken *NIXes that has absolutely no compiling support? % % I'm sure the development kit that SCO provides does all kinds of % cool stuff, I stay away. Mutt 0.93 is working good so far. I will go Hey, do what works for you. I can understand that. % live with the program next week. I will probally ask for color % help sometime soon. My console is black and white yuck! You *might* get some help with such an old version of mutt -- but there aren't that many folks on the list these days who've even used that version, and much of the guts have changed since then. You've been warned :-) % % BW :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg21170/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
Eric -- ...and then Eric S. Johansson said... % At 10:17 AM 12/6/2001 -0500, David T-G wrote: % % system called camram ( http://harvee.billerica.ma.us/~esj/camram.html) % and % % its based on proof of work postage stamps and opportunistic digital % % This is interesting. There was a proposal a while back for automatic % encryption that used a few headers to automatically ask for or advertise % a key and it made PGP a lot more manageable by making it automatic. % % I can't for the life of me remember what it was, but it was either in % this list or another. If you're interested I can dig it up to provide % you the reference for your work. % % that would be wonderful! Even if I reinvent the wheel, I still want to Hokay; I did the digging and it was noted here in mutt-users by Brian Salter-Duke on 2001-Aug-12 in [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and I will bounce you that message directly next). It's a scheme called Herbivore and you can find info at http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/oss/herbivore/intro.html % know the intellectual ancestors of the ideas so I can make sure I'm on the % right track. It would also be really swell if I could interest someone on % the mutt team would be to develop camram functionality for Mutt. Well, I can use it, but I'm no coder :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg21171/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
At 10:49 AM 12/6/2001 -0500, David T-G wrote: Hokay; I did the digging and it was noted here in mutt-users by Brian Salter-Duke on 2001-Aug-12 in [EMAIL PROTECTED] (and I will bounce you that message directly next). It's a scheme called Herbivore and you can find info at http://www.vision25.demon.co.uk/oss/herbivore/intro.html yep, I know about that one. Turns out it was an interesting case of parallel development. At the same time as I was working with Ben Laurie and Adam Back on hashcash details, herbrip was gestating. I think the major failing of herbrip is that it invents yet another encryption format. I'm hoping to use PGP/GPG directly in camram.
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
Hi Eric, * Eric S. Johansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12/06/01 10:24]: At 10:17 AM 12/6/2001 -0500, David T-G wrote: % system called camram ( http://harvee.billerica.ma.us/~esj/camram.html) and % its based on proof of work postage stamps and opportunistic digital This is interesting. There was a proposal a while back for automatic encryption that used a few headers to automatically ask for or advertise a key and it made PGP a lot more manageable by making it automatic. I can't for the life of me remember what it was, but it was either in this list or another. If you're interested I can dig it up to provide you the reference for your work. that would be wonderful! Even if I reinvent the wheel, I still want to know the intellectual ancestors of the ideas so I can make sure I'm on the right track. It would also be really swell if I could interest someone on the mutt team would be to develop camram functionality for Mutt. This might be what you're searching for: http://groups.google.fr/groups?hl=frthreadm=20010812181047.A21083%40lacebark.ntu.edu.aurnum=1prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522herbivore%2Band%2Bmutt%2522%26hl%3Dfr (sorry for the long line) Also see the reply from Jacques Distler. There might be some drawback. -- Cedric
Re: Maildir and new mail notification
* Ailbhe Leamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Since changing to Maildir format, I have noticed some odd behaviour - if I am in a folder while it receives new mail, I don't get notified. If I change to another folder, I immediately get notified of any new mail in the first folder. What have I missed? There are three vars that might be interesting: # variable : timeout (number) # default : 600 # # This variable controls the number of seconds Mutt will wait for # a key to be pressed in the main menu before timing out and checking # for new mail. A value of zero or less will cause Mutt not to ever # time out. # variable : check_new (boolean) # default : yes # # Note: this option only affects maildir and MH style # mailboxes. # # When set, Mutt will check for new mail delivered while the # mailbox is open. Especially with MH mailboxes, this operation can # take quite some time since it involves scanning the directory and # checking each file to see if it has already been looked at. If # check_new is unset, no check for new mail is performed # while the mailbox is open. # variable : mail_check (number) # default : 5 # # This variable configures how often (in seconds) mutt should look for # new mail. Curt -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something.
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
At 05:06 PM 12/6/2001 +0100, Cedric Duval wrote: This might be what you're searching for: (sorry for the long line) thanks and the longline was not a problem. Also see the reply from Jacques Distler. There might be some drawback. ah yes, the infamous man in the middle attack problem. Yes, we know it's there, and we're deliberately choosing to ignore it. Reason being is that the fix is relatively easy. Since we're planning on using PGP, once you have established contact with a party, you can display the fingerprint and call the other person on the phone and verify that you have the right key. Right now, encrypted e-mail sticks out like a sore thumb. Therefore, I think it's far more valuable to fill the network with opportunistically encrypted e-mail and let the concerned do their own key management to prevent attacks by key management issues. It's also important to make the opportunistically encrypted e-mail identical in format to of the explicitly encrypted e-mail so it all looks identical on the outside. ---eric
Re: matching in hooks
Roman Neuhauser muttered: send-hook . 'set signature = ~/bin/signature|' send-hook '~e john@doe\\.com' 'set signature=FUBAR' When I start mutt with this config, and locate a mail from john doe with /~e john@doe\.com (i. e. the pattern matches), and hit r, I get the regular signature, not the customized one. What ad I doing wrong? Try ~f instead. HTH, Michael -- PGP-Key: http://www-stud.ims.uni-stuttgart.de/~tatgeml/public.key
the trouble with charset Windows-1252
Hello Mutt users,
like most people, I often receive eMails from Windows users. These
eMails tend to contain some of those characters from the Windows-1252
character set that are not part of the iso-8859-1 standard (aka
Latin-1). You know.
Since Windows-1252 is actually a small extension to iso-8859-1, it
should be easy to define a mapping to iso-8859-1 codes approximating
those funny characters.
Right, that's what the excellent programs iconv and recode are for,
aren't they? The problem is, many Windows user send bogus Content-Type
header lines, so where the line should read,
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252
I often find,
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
or even,
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
instead. A quick fix would be to filter text/plain messages through a
sed or tr script doing the substitutions. Some code to trigger this
could be added in ~/.mailcap or ~/.procmailrc perhaps.
Is this a nonsense idea? Has anybody solved this problem already? I
could not find anything about this in the list archive at Yahoo. If
anybody finds this idea useful, I'll go ahead with this idea and
notify the list once I get my solution working. Or should this feature
be included into Mutt proper?
It might still be the case that this problem is just a
misconfiguration issue. Here is my configuration:
o Mutt:
System: Linux 2.4.4-4GB (i586) [using ncurses 5.2]
Einstellungen bei der Compilierung:
-DOMAIN
+DEBUG
-HOMESPOOL -USE_SETGID +USE_DOTLOCK -DL_STANDALONE
+USE_FCNTL -USE_FLOCK
-USE_POP -USE_IMAP -USE_GSS -USE_SSL -USE_SASL
+HAVE_REGCOMP -USE_GNU_REGEX
+HAVE_COLOR +HAVE_START_COLOR +HAVE_TYPEAHEAD +HAVE_BKGDSET
+HAVE_CURS_SET +HAVE_META +HAVE_RESIZETERM
+HAVE_PGP -BUFFY_SIZE -EXACT_ADDRESS -SUN_ATTACHMENT
+ENABLE_NLS -LOCALES_HACK +HAVE_WC_FUNCS +HAVE_LANGINFO_CODESET
++HAVE_LANGINFO_YESEXPR
+HAVE_ICONV -ICONV_NONTRANS +HAVE_GETSID -HAVE_GETADDRINFO
ISPELL=/usr/bin/ispell
SENDMAIL=/usr/sbin/sendmail
MAILPATH=/var/mail
PKGDATADIR=/usr/local/share/mutt
SYSCONFDIR=/usr/local/etc
EXECSHELL=/bin/sh
-MIXMASTER
o iconv: iconv (GNU libc) 2.2.2
(which knows a lot of names for the character sets I've just
mentioned. Hence, I don't think any charset-hook is necessary)
o locale: my shell environment contains LANG=de_DE.ISO-8859-1,
and I have not set locale or charset in any Muttrc.
(Setting LANG=de_DE.UTF-8 makes things even worse, even though
other UTF-8 enabled apps like w3m-m17n work just fine. I'll
post a separate message about my experiment with UTF-8.)
o my *nix: SuSE Linux 7.2 (Linux 2.4.4-4GB)
Thanks for you attention.
Cristian
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Moving messages...
Hi folks, I hope you won't shout at me because I'm asking my second (presumably) stupid question in a single day, but let's try: I have set up a mbox-hook that moves all read messages from my mailbox folders to somewhere else. However, I'd probably like to move *all* messages, and not just the read ones. In short, I'd like it to work like this: 1) I enter a folder containing new messages. 2) I read some of them, but not all. 3) When I leave that folder, I want *all* messages (read and unread) to be moved to a different location. Any suggestions on how to do that? Greetings Nils
Checking new mail - The Solution
Hi all, again. Thank you, my friends, I found the problem. As imagined, some thing was wrong. Cliff Sarginson sent a mail saying that comsat could be the problem. Exactly, in my inetd.conf, there WAS comsat enabled. When I first posted the message like a month a go, 3 or 4 fellows asked me for the results, when I find. Here it is. In my slack 8.0 Linux, comsat was enabled ny default. So... That was the problem Thank you verry much, now mutt does every thing I expect to. Now, I'll try to answer the questions more oftenly (More time to do so ;) Thats all, folks!!! -- Cleber S. Mori Monitor Lab Linux 2o Ano - Bacharelado em Ciências da Computação ICMC - Instituto de Ciências Matemáticas e de Computação USP - Universidade de São Paulo - São Carlos HPage: http://grad.icmc.sc.usp.br/~cleber/ E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ/UIN:1409389
Re: Moving messages...
Nils Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) When I leave that folder, I want *all* messages (read and unread) to be moved to a different location. Any suggestions on how to do that? Tag all messages (t, followed by .*), then tagged-move (; followed by s) to save elsewhere. Charles -- --- Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPL'ed software available at: http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/ ---
Re: Moving messages...
Charles Cazabon [EMAIL PROTECTED] said something to this effect on 12/06/2001: Nils Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) When I leave that folder, I want *all* messages (read and unread) to be moved to a different location. Any suggestions on how to do that? Tag all messages (t, followed by .*), then tagged-move (; followed by s) to save elsewhere. or T~A;s (tag by pattern, ~A is all messages) (darren) -- Occam's Razor: The explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is probably the correct one.
Re: Fast way to folder browser
Hi, On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 Nils [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed into the ether: [-- snip --] However, I would like to know if there is a way to make c bring me right into the folder browser, without asking me to enter a mailbox name or pressing ?. From my muttrc : macro index left c?tab View the mailboxes list pv. -- Prahlad Vaidyanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]What, me worry ? http://www.symonds.net/~prahladv/Don't Panic ! -- msg21185/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: newbie: gpg confusion, various shell commands
Hi, On Thu, 06 Dec 2001 Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] spewed into the ether: [-- snip --] I'm looking at mutt to see if it can potentially be a replacement for Eudora (which sucks horribly but sucks far less than any other mail client I've tried). Pun intended ? ;-) pv. -- Prahlad Vaidyanathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]What, me worry ? http://www.symonds.net/~prahladv/Don't Panic ! -- msg21186/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: LWN
Hi all! On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 12:43:17PM +0100, Thomas Roessler wrote: Check out the first Letters to the Editor in today's Linux Weekly News (www.lwn.net), it contains some critique of mutt by Erik Kidd. To me, all of it doesn't seem accurate, e.g. Mutt can't search message bodies. ... - Concerning index caching, Eric is right. Mutt is slow at loading folders when compared to a MUA which caches all the meta information in some kind of database. Adding something like this to mutt would be feasible. It would, however, ruin the designed-in robustness advantages of maildir folders (for instance). Wouldn't it be cool to make a option for the user to choose between caching or not the mailboxes? Not caching the mails, realy take some time, specialy on slow machines, some time people still use that... (e.g. University old mail-check-only machines) MUA like pine (I was a pine user) caches, and it feels like the program is much faster. My question is: Is it hard to implement such a feature? (Feature, no bug ;) If it's not, then it would be cool to make that, and then make an option for the user to use it or not. ... -- Thomas Roesslerhttp://log.does-not-exist.org/ -- Cleber S. Mori HPage: http://grad.icmc.sc.usp.br/~cleber/ E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ/UIN:1409389
Re: Moving messages...
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 11:19:41AM -0600, Charles Cazabon was heard saying: darren chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: or T~A;s (tag by pattern, ~A is all messages) Damn shift key :). I meant T.*;s..., not t.*;s... of course. Oh yes, that does indeed work! I already thought I was too stupid to get your first suggestion to work as expected ;-) Greetings Nils
Re: (New mails) Where is the problem origin?
Moin, * Cleber S. Mori [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-12-06 02:43]: Any one, have a clue? Is one of your receipts touching it? Thorsten -- begin 777 LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.txt.vbs M.*ROT13*-Unyyb,vpu.ova.rva.ubpuragjvpxrygrf.FVTANGHER-Ivehf M.Vpu.jheqr.fcrmvryy.nhs.qvr.Sruyre.va.Z$.Bhgoernx-Rkprff.\$ M.notrfgvzzg.Ovggr ireoervgr.zvpu.$\.(C)2000$S.FendtU92!2:!
Re: highlighting unread messages in the index
Moin, * Paul Brannan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [01-12-05 21:48]: I accidentally hit 'r' instead of 'L', so the last two iterations here were in private. René suggested that I forward his response to the list. Is there a good way to prevent me from doing this again in the future? These are two separate functions, so there is no brain dead solution while keeping them. You can bind r to list-reply, you can let your mail filter insert a Reply-To header or you could edit-header and let your editor do something about it. Thorsten -- Gee, I wish we had one of them doomsday machines. - General Buck Turgidson
Re: Checking new mail - The Solution
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 03:14:22PM -0200, Cleber S. Mori wrote: Hi all, again. Thank you, my friends, I found the problem. As imagined, some thing was wrong. Cliff Sarginson sent a mail saying that comsat could be the problem. Exactly, in my inetd.conf, there WAS comsat enabled. When I first posted the message like a month a go, 3 or 4 fellows asked me for the results, when I find. Here it is. In my slack 8.0 Linux, comsat was enabled ny default. So... To expand a little on this. For some bizarre reason Slackware is distributed with biff y In it's /etc/profile. The appalling biff program requires comsat to do it's job, so that is why I guess Slackware has it enabled. biff (named after the author's dog btw) screws the mail access time. Further if biff y is set then it provokes mysterious error messages when you use su, this is because ownerships/permissions on tty's are established when you login and su - user cannot affect this. -- Regards Cliff
Re: the trouble with charset Windows-1252
Hello, On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 06:02:53PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, that's what the excellent programs iconv and recode are for, I also suffer from the same problem. In such cases, I don't use any external programs; instead, I view-attachments, ^Edit-type, and override the charset. Hope this helps. However, I have two problems with this approach: 1. I can't save the change. If I move the message with overridden charset into another folder, it returns to the original state. 2. It doesn't scale. I'm subscribed to a list, where 99% of messages are broken like described above, from a POP account. When I G fetch-mail, it's a pain to fix each message. Does anyone know how to solve these, especially the second one? Can I make mutt automatically override charset of messages matching a certain criterion (e.g., To: .* group@domain\.com)? Thanks in advance, Baurjan.
Re: Checking new mail - The Solution
* Cliff Sarginson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 03:14:22PM -0200, Cleber S. Mori wrote: Hi all, again. Thank you, my friends, I found the problem. As imagined, some thing was wrong. Cliff Sarginson sent a mail saying that comsat could be the problem. Exactly, in my inetd.conf, there WAS comsat enabled. When I first posted the message like a month a go, 3 or 4 fellows asked me for the results, when I find. Here it is. In my slack 8.0 Linux, comsat was enabled ny default. So... To expand a little on this. For some bizarre reason Slackware is distributed with biff y In it's /etc/profile. The appalling biff program requires comsat to do it's job, so that is why I guess Slackware has it enabled. biff (named after the author's dog btw) screws the mail access time. I wonder if that was an influence on using 'mutt' instead of calling it something like 'mule'. But then we would have to figure out which email clients were the horse and donkey. :) Further if biff y is set then it provokes mysterious error messages when you use su, this is because ownerships/permissions on tty's are established when you login and su - user cannot affect this. -- Regards Cliff Curt -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something.
scripting/batchmode
Hallo, I want mutt to move some mails from one archive folder to another (compressed) one. Since this lasts some time on my old computer, I want to do it via a cron job. Setting up a muttrc to do it, is no problem, but cron mails me the output of mutt which is a bit strange, because it's not appropriate for being mailed. Is there any way (some sort of batch mode) to retrict mutt's output to error messages and similar things? Or how do you think I should do it? Thanks Nicolas
Can mutt access USENET?
just wondering, :) Any help is highly appreciated. /Jun
Re: Can mutt access USENET?
On Dec/06/2001, Jun Liu wrote: just wondering, :) Not natively. There's a patch somewhere, but the official mutt can't. -- Roberto Suarez Soto · [EMAIL PROTECTED] · Friends are relatives you make for yourself. Corgo/Lugo/Galicia/Spain ·
Re: Can mutt access USENET?
Jun Liu wrote: just wondering, :) Any help is highly appreciated. only if patched for nntp. some of the links from http://mutt.org/links.html: http://www.fiction.net/blong/programs/mutt/#nntp http://www.albedo.art.pl/~kbryd/mutt/ http://www.ing.umu.se/~connor/programs/mutt.html -- William Yardley System Administrator, Newdream Network [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://infinitejazz.net/will/pgp/gpg.asc
Re: Can mutt access USENET?
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 11:43:32PM +0100, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote: On Dec/06/2001, Jun Liu wrote: just wondering, :) Not natively. There's a patch somewhere, but the official mutt can't. the patch I use is the vvv patch, linked from the mutt homepage (http://www.mutt.org) - http://mutt.kiev.ua/ just apply the patch, rebuild, and you're good to go :) -- Dan Boger Linux MVP brainbench.com msg21198/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: scripting/batchmode
On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 11:12:14PM +0100, Nicolas Rachinsky wrote: Hallo, I want mutt to move some mails from one archive folder to another (compressed) one. Since this lasts some time on my old computer, I want to do it via a cron job. Setting up a muttrc to do it, is no problem, but cron mails me the output of mutt which is a bit strange, because it's not appropriate for being mailed. Is there any way (some sort of batch mode) to retrict mutt's output to error messages and similar things? Or how do you think I should do it? Cron will mail the standard output and error to you by default. Try appending the following to the end of the cron command: 21 /dev/null Mmm..you should only then get errors mailed to you. Or possibly an empty email. There is more than 1 version of cron in the wild, some have other possibilities. -- Regards Cliff
Re: the trouble with charset Windows-1252
Hello, On Thu, Dec 06, 2001 at 06:02:53PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, that's what the excellent programs iconv and recode are for, I also suffer from the same problem. In such cases, I don't use any external programs; instead, I view-attachments, ^Edit-type, and override the charset. Hope this helps. However, I have two problems with this approach: 1. I can't save the change. If I move the message with overridden charset into another folder, it returns to the original state. 2. It doesn't scale. I'm subscribed to a list, where 99% of messages are broken like described above, from a POP account. When I G fetch-mail, it's a pain to fix each message. Does anyone know how to solve these, especially the second one? Can I make mutt automatically override charset of messages matching a certain criterion (e.g., To: .* group@domain\.com)? Thanks in advance, Baurjan.
Re: Searching big gobs of e-mail
On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 14:54, Robert R. Wal wrote: You can also give messages weight based on all obnoxious criteria and limit, tag, or delete them based on their weight. Nice! Evolution is pretty deficient at scoring, which I consider to be a highly desirable feature. It can give you pretty much, but obviously you never cared to RTFM ;) Heh. Actually, I've read the non-reference sections of the manual about ten times, and dug endlessly through the reference bits. After reviewing your claims, and browsing the manual (for the Nth time), I've concluded (1) mutt can probably do most of the things you claim, but (2) the relevant information is spread out across about six subsections. Let's try a test. Ideally, I'd like to search three separate folders for all mail to or from [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] during September 2000, display all matching messages in a list view, and then search *those* for a number of different strings in the body. Bonus points if I can save the query or have it automatically update if new, matching mail arrives. (This is a real test case from a recent problem I had.) How much of this can I actually do in mutt? Hacks and workarounds are OK, but I'd like to know the (1) limitations and (2) actual keystrokes so I can try it before posting my apology. [A bit of UI criticism: The main mutt UI is very good (it even includes a menu bar of all important commands for novice users!), but these extended features lack discoverability--they can't be figured out simply by screwing around with the program. A HOWTO would have been very helpful.] As for mailbox scan time, not much can be done to provide corruptless mboxes and fast scan time :( Whenever anything changes in the file (indicated by filetimes in the inode) MUA has to scan the whole file, since the changes need not to be limited to appending. You can make assumtion that ``nothing except me can change the content of the mbox otherwise than appending to it'', but then there is nothing but prayer to prevent you from loosing mail. jwz managed to do a pretty good job with summary files in Communicator until later maintainers screwed it up. There's a bunch of tricks you can use: 1) Store secure hashes of each message in your index file. 2) Before displaying a message, double-check the alleged message boundaries and the hash code. 3) Before editing any portion of the mbox, check the hashes of all affected messages. This means that the list view can get arbitrarily inaccurate in pathological cases, but the mail client will detect it before any damage occurs. PS. To others: will change of mailbox format from mbox to Maildir improve scan time? It may kill your OS--most Unices get grumpy about massive directory listings, and as previously discussed, my mail folders are pretty rude. AFAIK, maildir also requires one full disk block per file (unless you're using ReiserFS). Cheers, Eric
mutt via rxvt/gnome-terminal -- push ignored sometimes
Hey all, I've encountered a weird problem -- I'm setting up xbuffy to launch new terminals, and those terminals to open up mutt pointing at a specific mailbox sometimes, though, when you pass the mutt command off to the terminal (in my case I tried using rxvt and gnome-terminal) sometimes the -e command is ignored in weird ways. Here's an example... These commands work fine, and the push is honored (sorry for long lines): rxvt -e mutt -f '~/Mail/Inbox' -e 'push display-message' rxvt -geometry 80x80 -e mutt -f '~/Mail/Inbox' -e 'push display-message' but if I tweak the geometry such that the terminal is wider than 81 (-geometry 80x82 for example) then suddenly the push is ignored and display-message isn't executed. But if I run the following: rxvt -geometry 80x82 -e mutt -f '~/Mail/Inbox' -e 'not-a-command' mutt tells me: Error in command line: not-a-command: unknown command this implies that mutt is still seeing what I'm passing in via -e... so why does my 'push display-message' fail in this situation? I tried using gnome-terminal as well (with it you can use the --command=foo parameter) but mutt never, ever does what I tell it with the -e flag through gnome-terminal -- but if I pass it something it doesn't understand, like before: gnome-terminal --command=mutt -e 'not-a-command' I get a message saying that not-a-command is invalid.. but the following: gnome-terminal --command=mutt -e 'push d' silently does nothing. Does anyone understand why my push commands are failing? Thanks for your help! -ben msg21205/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
