Re: mutt is not for everyone
Michael Maibaum wrote: I'd be willing to help with this, assuming it was perl rather than shell, I can't claim to be a huge expert but this should be fairly straightforward (famous last words). well my feeling is that it would be better to use perl (even though i'm not myself a great perl expert). i would be happy to help with testing, ideas, some programming, and i could probably setup cvs / server space for the project if necessary. i could setup a mailing list for it pretty easily as well if needed. david champion wrote me off list and suggested an idea that is similar to something i was thinking about; he suggested writing it in a modular way so that people could contribute modules (ie he could contribute an elm module, someone else could contribute a pine module)... obviously there'd have to be some provision for working out possible conflicts between modules, but i think this would be a good approach. the modules could maybe be template based (ie no actual code... just text that's easily parsable by the script), which would make it easy for people to contribute to / make improvements. -- Will Yardley william newdream . net
Mutt configuration tool, was: mutt is not for everyone
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 22:16:24 at 10:16:24PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized that (AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line program to help new users adjust to / configure mutt. such a program could easily be written as a shell script or a perl script... and could be included in the mutt distribution, or in the contrib/ directory. basically, the tool would be oriented towards helping people set suitable defaults, and creating a decent .muttrc. while the mutt defaults are (in general) very sensibly chosen, it's often hard for new users to figure out what parameter they must change to have the desired effect. Hello, two comments on this: 1) something like this already exists online, why don't point it as the first thing from the Mutt web site, and maybe work to improve that? (sorry, can't find the URL) 2) I volunteer to test/help with whatever tool will be written to solve this. It is exactly something which would be great in RULE (see URL below) I know Perl quite well, but am really overloaded these days with that and other projects. I can still test it hard, debug and submit patches. PLEASE keep me posted. Ciao, Marco Fioretti Run Up2date Linux Everywhere: http://www.freesoftware.fsf.org/rule/ -- Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right Salvor Hardin , Foundation
Re: Mutt configuration tool, was: mutt is not for everyone
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:11:19AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: 1) something like this already exists online, why don't point it as the first thing from the Mutt web site, and maybe work to improve that? (sorry, can't find the URL) perhaps you mean: http://mutt.netliberte.org without it, i wasn't able to create a useful config for mutt, when i was a beginner. -- Stefan Antoni msg25122/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt configuration tool
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 12:13:56 at 12:13:56PM -0500, cruciatuz wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:11:19AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: 1) something like this already exists online, why don't point it as the first thing from the Mutt web site, and maybe work to improve that? (sorry, can't find the URL) perhaps you mean: http://mutt.netliberte.org Yes, just that! Again, a command line version would complement it perfectly (think to dialup: why pay and keep the phone busy just to change the configuration?) We should check if that code is available, and how hard it is to make it work in a shell. Ciao, Marco Fioretti www.freesoftware.fsf.org/rule/ -- None can love freedom heartily but good men; the rest love not freedom but license. John Milton
Re: Mutt configuration tool
Marco Fioretti wrote: Yes, just that! Again, a command line version would complement it perfectly (think to dialup: why pay and keep the phone busy just to change the configuration?) well what i was envisioning was something more interactive, but with a smaller scope (and command line based). -- Will Yardley william newdream . net
Re: Mutt configuration tool
On 07-Mar-02 at 12:26, Marco Fioretti's inspired musing was thus : We should check if that code is available, and how hard it is to make it work in a shell. Absolutely. Someone has already thought about the tool and even implemented it. It should be command line to save that poor guy's bandwidth :) Too many people in Open Source are reinventing the wheel, especially FTP clients, lightweight web servers, PHP photo galleries, etc -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 29.84% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre THIS SPACE tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of MoroccoFOR RENTfax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: Mutt configuration tool
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:23:29AM +, Simon White wrote: On 07-Mar-02 at 12:26, Marco Fioretti's inspired musing was thus : We should check if that code is available, and how hard it is to make it work in a shell. Absolutely. Someone has already thought about the tool and even implemented it. It should be command line to save that poor guy's bandwidth :) Too many people in Open Source are reinventing the wheel, especially FTP clients, lightweight web servers, PHP photo galleries, etc Well, if we're not reinventing the wheel, why not just ask the guy if we can have a copy of his whole HTML and just include it with the mutt distribution? I'm sure it's not very big on disk. Then just include instructions on how to navigate to the first page of it with a browser. The only reason to do a whole new shell script is if you're going to do logic like someone mentioned a few posts back, ie autodetection of where the mail spool is etc. I think newbies will feel more at home with a web-based interface. Maybe if we wanted to get really motivated (and we are mutt users after all :p) we could have the web conf generator (assuming the author lets us have it) and then have a line at the end of it that instructs the user to run a shell script. The shell script would then modify the generated conf, dealing with variables that can be autodetected. I don't think that would be too confusing as long as the transition instructions were worded clearly. I mean, in theory our target audience is comfortable, at least a little, with using a terminal. For that matter, there could be a shell script generate-conf or whatever that finds a browser, loads the web conf generator in it, and then when the conf generator exits it automatically jumps into the autodetect-and-modify stuff. Am I going off the deep end here? By the way, anyone have any comments on my GPG key? Is everything working now? -- John Buttery (Web page temporarily unavailable) msg25126/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt configuration tool
Simon White wrote: Since it's dynamic, he'll have to be running a web server, etc. A shell or PERL script will guarantee functionality across a wider range of Linux distros and setups. and other operating systems; mutt runs on a number of systems other than linux (ie FreeBSD, commercial UNIX, win32, etc). I think newbies will feel more at home with a web-based interface. Yes, I agree. But we can take the web script as a building block, no? The web script has to be hosted somewhere else if it is to work everywhere, but then, that tool is already available. well if someone is more at home with a web based interface, mutt is probably not for them. what i am hoping for is something with a lot more interactivity than that web interface (and something with fewer options) that's really just a slightly different interface to the available documentation. the web interface doesn't have an easy way of directly interacting with the user's machine, which means it can't tell what OS the user is running, what version of mutt they're running, what other console based mail clients they may have used in the past, what type of mail delivery is being used... all of these are things that are simple to program for / around in shell / perl. the idea is not to provide an interface for the full range of mutt's functionality, but simply to get people on the road with a configuration that's more comfortable for them than mutt's default configuration might be. mutt is very configurable, and figuring out all of the various options right away can be overwhelming... it would also be nice if the script could eventually help out with stuff like selecting / configuring a viewer for html mail, and maybe even setting up a lightweight smtp replacement if the user doesn't have smtp. -- Will Yardley william newdream . net
Re: mutt is not for everyone
Sven Guckes wrote: mutt does not strive to be popular with everyone. after all, all those bad mailers were written to *fit* some people - and they certainly do! so dont take them away from those - they deserve it! i think this statement is a bit elitist simply because a tool is powerful doesn't mean that it can't also be fairly easy to use. it can be overwhelming to be faced with all that power at once; however that doesn't mean that the tool isn't still worth using. for instance, mutt might be far superior to pine, but there are still a lot of pine users out there, simply because pine is much easier to use initially. i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized that (AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line program to help new users adjust to / configure mutt. such a program could easily be written as a shell script or a perl script... and could be included in the mutt distribution, or in the contrib/ directory. basically, the tool would be oriented towards helping people set suitable defaults, and creating a decent .muttrc. while the mutt defaults are (in general) very sensibly chosen, it's often hard for new users to figure out what parameter they must change to have the desired effect. common stuff like set move=no, set mbox_type=Maildir, etc. could be included here, with a brief explanation of the choices. it could also ask if the user is used to other programs (ie pine) and offer to make the keybindings more familiar. it might also look at environment variables and the answers to previous questions in order to give sensible default choices (ie if $MAIL is set to /var/mail/william, that's probably a good choice for 'mbox'; if ~~/mail exists but ~/Mail doesn't, setting folder to ~/mail is probably a good idea; if $EDITOR or $VISUAL is set to nano, then perhaps 'nano -t' would be the default selection offered for 'editor'). lastly, the program could explain a few things (commonly asked questions, for example) so that they're less likely to be asked on the list. if the program came out well enough, perhaps mutt could even ask if you want to run it if ~/.muttrc or ~/.mutt/muttrc don't exist. in any event, i'd be happy to help if anyone wants to work on this (if it's in perl, my ability to help will be limited). -- Will Yardley william newdream . net
So, when do we start? was: Mutt configuration tool
Thanks for the inspired musing bit! So, when do we start? I confirm that I cannot be the main developer for this right now, but promise to test and debug whatever will be sent to me, and to include the final thing in the RULE package list. Ciao, Marco Fioretti RULE: www.freesoftware.fsf.org/rule/ On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 11:23:29 at 11:23:29AM +, Simon White wrote: On 07-Mar-02 at 12:26, Marco Fioretti's inspired musing was thus : We should check if that code is available, and how hard it is to make it work in a shell. Absolutely. Someone has already thought about the tool and even implemented it. It should be command line to save that poor guy's bandwidth :) -- Real Programmers don't play tennis, or any other sport that requires you to change clothes. Mountain climbing is OK, and real programmers wear their climbing boots to work in case a mountain should suddenly spring up in the middle of the machine room.
Re: Mutt configuration tool
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Will Yardley wrote: Simon White wrote: Since it's dynamic, he'll have to be running a web server, etc. A shell or PERL script will guarantee functionality across a wider range of Linux distros and setups. and other operating systems; mutt runs on a number of systems other than linux (ie FreeBSD, commercial UNIX, win32, etc). technically not win32 since it's not a native port (cygwin). contrast to pine which I've read does have a native win32 port... -- T.E.Dickey [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net
Re: Mutt configuration tool
technically not win32 since it's not a native port (cygwin). contrast to pine which I've read does have a native win32 port... Yep, PC-Pine has been around for years, a native port maintained by the UW team. Also, on the mutt config script: I know a bit of PERL, keep me in the loop. -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 30.07% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre THIS SPACE tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of MoroccoFOR RENTfax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Mutt configuration tool -- count me in!
Quoting Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 07, 2002 01:16]: i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized that (AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line program to help new users adjust to / configure mutt. Like many others have mentioned, I am also interested in this, not so much because I would use it myself, but because I've introduced many people to mutt, and without fail, I end up spending a several hours explaining hooks, and colors, and all the various configuration options. Plus, I would have liked something like this when I started using mutt; I had to piece my config together by reading hundreds of other configs from all over the Net (and a huge thanks to everyone who makes their configs publicly available, by the way!). I know a lot of perl (I'm a perl programmer by trade, in fact), and a good amount of bash, and would be willing to help where I could, but, like everyone else so far, I have limited time (perhaps 2-4 hours per week). I would be interested in helping out with the implementation, if there were others willing to help handle the design and scope out the goals we were trying to reach. Someone mentioned making the script able to read and use custom configuration modules, so that different people could maintain the parts for Pine compatibility and the like; I think this is a wonderful idea. The easiest thing that I can think of would be to make this a part of the mutt-newbie project on sourceforge; I am a registered Sf user (see my email address), and would be willing to attach myself to this project. Also, someone mentioned earlier in the thread that they could provide CVS space and mailing list support. In other words, count me in. (darren) -- The rebootings will continue until the configuration works.
Re: Mutt configuration tool -- count me in!
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:05:08AM -0500, darren chamberlain wrote: myself to this project. Also, someone mentioned earlier in the thread that they could provide CVS space and mailing list support. In other words, count me in. Hosting another mutt list wouldn't be a problem here either. Steve -- NetTek Ltd Flat 2, 43 Howitt Road, Belsize Park, London NW3 4LU, UK tel +44-(0)20 7483 1169 fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 mob 07775 755503 SMS steve-pager (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19
Re: Mutt configuration tool -- count me in!
Quoting Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 07, 2002 10:16]: On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:05:08AM -0500, darren chamberlain wrote: myself to this project. Also, someone mentioned earlier in the thread that they could provide CVS space and mailing list support. In other words, count me in. Hosting another mutt list wouldn't be a problem here either. I'm just as interested in CVS space as a list, especially if we are going to be breaking development out into separate pieces. Speaking of another list, though, I think this thread is starting to warrant one... (darren) -- Men are from earth. Women are from earth. Deal with it.
Re: Mutt configuration tool - does it have to be perl?
i like python(.org) and i think it would be a good choice for this tool, because team-development would be easier (just my opinion, i don't want to start a silly language war). does it have to be written in the perl language? -- stefan antoni msg25136/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
smtp/ftp referenced attachments ?
Is there a way to get mutt to recognize either of the following content types?? Should automatically retrieve this doc via email or ftp when I open that attachment, but mutt complains instead. thanks, -ron - Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type=mail-server; server=[EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-l2tpext-l2tp-base-02.txt - - Content-Type: Message/External-body; name=draft-ietf-l2tpext-l2tp-base-02.txt; site=ftp.ietf.org; access-type=anon-ftp; directory=internet-drafts Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
Re: Mutt configuration tool - does it have to be perl?
Quoting cruciatuz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 07, 2002 10:51]: i like python(.org) and i think it would be a good choice for this tool, because team-development would be easier (just my opinion, i don't want to start a silly language war). I like python too, it's a good language. I brought up perl because (a) someone else did first, (b) on all non-Linux Unix-types, there is a higher probability that perl is installed than python, and (c) it's what I know best, and I was offering to help implement it. None of those are language-war starters, I think. ;) does it have to be written in the perl language? Of course not, but that's an implementation detail, to be decided once we've actually spec'ed out what we want to accomplish. ;) (darren) -- All men are mortal. Socrates was mortal. Therefore, all men are Socrates. -- Woody Allen
Re: smtp/ftp referenced attachments ?
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Ron da Silva wrote: Is there a way to get mutt to recognize either of the following content types?? Should automatically retrieve this doc via email or ftp when I open that attachment, but mutt complains instead. I'm taking a stab at this, but something like a combination of the correct .mailcap entry and wget. For it to then be visible, in this case because it's at text file, you'd still probably have to open it separately. This external thing seems to be a security risk if it's all automated anyway, and slightly against the spirit of email, but that's another story. Simon -- Yuck! I'm in Windoze with PINE. Accept my apologies
Auto insert subject
I'm configuring my KDE clipboard menu to use Mutt. I want to be able to mail a URL string that is highlighted. What command line arguments can I use to insert the string represented by %s? The string used for the mailto:; link is: konsole -e mutt `echo %s | sed 's/mailto://g'` It doesn't seem to bring up mutt however, so I'm not sure it works either. If I can just get a command line string that works, I can figure out how to get mutt to come up. -- Michael Montagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.boora.com
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 09:01:09AM -0500, Ben Logan wrote: Yes, it doesn't have nice and point-and-clicky interface, but I don't like them, anyway. Like many of you on this list probably do, I get several hundred messages a day (up to 600). I almost hyperventilate at the thought of trying to navigate through them with a pointy-clicky interface. There are some things that point-and-click GUIs are good for, but they are usually (in my experience) far less efficient than an interface like mutt's. Therefore, I consider mutt's interface another plus. :) Yeah, it would be a pain to have to point and click around to [D]elete through several messages, for example! I do find the mouse to be useful in some cases though: If I want to go to a specific message on the screen, it would be easier to just click it with the mouse than figuring out how many times I have to hit the arrow keys to get there. Also, some GUI mail clients allow opening multiple windows to show more than one message at a time. That functionality is useful for when I want to compose a single reply to multiple messages, for example. (In mutt or pine, if I wanted to go look at another message while I'm already writing one, I'd have to postpone it, go look, and come back.)
Re: Auto insert subject (oops I mean BODY)
On 07/03/02, from the brain of Michael Montagne tumbled: I'm configuring my KDE clipboard menu to use Mutt. I want to be able to mail a URL string that is highlighted. What command line arguments can I use to insert the string represented by %s? The string used for the mailto:; link is: konsole -e mutt `echo %s | sed 's/mailto://g'` It doesn't seem to bring up mutt however, so I'm not sure it works either. If I can just get a command line string that works, I can figure out how to get mutt to come up. Oops not subject. I mean BODY. I want the URL to be in the BODY. -- Michael Montagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.boora.com
Re: smtp/ftp referenced attachments ?
On 020307, at 10:54:51, Ron da Silva wrote
Is there a way to get mutt to recognize ... the following content
types??
Content-Type: Message/External-body;
name=draft-ietf-l2tpext-l2tp-base-02.txt;
site=ftp.ietf.org;
access-type=anon-ftp;
directory=internet-drafts
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
For this, I have the following mailcap entry:
message/external-body; ncftp %{site}:%{directory}/%{name}\; cat %{name}; \
test=test %{access-type} = anon-ftp; copiousoutput
--
David Ellement
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
I do find the mouse to be useful in some cases though: If I want to go to a specific message on the screen, it would be easier to just click it with the mouse than figuring out how many times I have to hit the arrow keys to get there. Jump to message number. Also, some GUI mail clients allow opening multiple windows to show more than one message at a time. That functionality is useful for when I want to compose a single reply to multiple messages, for example. (In mutt or pine, if I wanted to go look at another message while I'm already writing one, I'd have to postpone it, go look, and come back.) You could open 2 or 3 mutt sessions, or open the emails as text (having exported first, ok it's not ideal) in separate xterm vi windows. Simon -- Yuck! I'm in Windoze and PINE. Sorry, will be rebooting into Linux at earliest opportunity
Re: mutt is not for everyone
At 1:15 AM EST on March 7 Will Yardley sent off:
Sven Guckes wrote:
mutt does not strive to be popular with everyone. after all, all
those bad mailers were written to *fit* some people - and they
certainly do! so dont take them away from those - they deserve it!
i think this statement is a bit elitist simply because a tool is
powerful doesn't mean that it can't also be fairly easy to use. it can
be overwhelming to be faced with all that power at once; however that
doesn't mean that the tool isn't still worth using.
Whether or not any of us are elitist, don't we all encounter times when *we're*
frustrated by the problems with the other person's MUA? PGP/GPG is the biggest
one, I think. If everyone else used mutt, the problem *might* go away. OK,
I'm being optimistic, but I don't see any point in complaining about lack of
PGP/MIME, or full quoting under the reply, or persistent HTML mails, and then
not encouraging the perpetrators to use something better.
i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized that
(AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line program to help
new users adjust to / configure mutt.
such a program could easily be written as a shell script or a perl
script... and could be included in the mutt distribution, or in the
contrib/ directory.
I vote for python, simply because perl can get unreadable. It may not matter
since I doubt anything too complicated is necessary.
it could also ask if the user is used to other programs (ie pine) and
offer to make the keybindings more familiar.
or emacs/the eVIl one. On the other hand, there's a case for not letting
newbies switch mass keybindings around. As it is, I've seen some
misunderstandings on this list along the lines of
Q How do I do X?
A Press Ctrl-h.
Q But that does Y!
(where Y could be rm -f * or launch_nuclear_missiles, available from an
obscure patch.)
A It works for me!
Q But not for me!
B One of you is using nonstandard keybindings, and forgot.
Q Oh yeah.
I think it's better to make newbies switch keybindings one at a time, and to
make them do the work themselves so that they're aware of the consequences.
it might also look at environment variables and the answers to previous
questions in order to give sensible default choices (ie if $MAIL is set
to /var/mail/william, that's probably a good choice for 'mbox'; if
~~/mail exists but ~/Mail doesn't, setting folder to ~/mail is probably a
good idea;
This is really important. It could also look in ~/.procmailrc for all 2
netscape/pine users that use procmail ;-). Maybe /etc/sendmail.cf could be
parsed to find out where it puts mail for ${USER}?
if $EDITOR or $VISUAL is set to nano, then perhaps 'nano -t'
would be the default selection offered for 'editor').
Why not just $VISUAL if running-X, else $EDITOR?
--
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Used by some people (RMS and ESR), but not others (has anybody ever
tried to refer to Linus Torvalds as LBT?). - fortune
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Re: Mutt configuration tool
Too many people in Open Source are reinventing the wheel, especially FTP clients, lightweight web servers, PHP photo galleries, etc But too many things in Open Source need to be reinvented, unfortunately. I don't often find that two projects that you can summarize similarly are actually identical -- each has benefits that the other considers a liability. In an ideal world: $ ./configure --enable-liability --disable-benefit Besides, speaking just for myself: I write software for fun, not because the abstract open source community needs it. All the better if they do, but that's often not key. Fair point, but the open source community has to also work on stuff which is useful, cf. the GNU project et al Simon. -- Nearly finished with Windoze
Re: Mutt configuration tool
* John Buttery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:23:29AM +, Simon White wrote: On 07-Mar-02 at 12:26, Marco Fioretti's inspired musing was thus : We should check if that code is available, and how hard it is to make it work in a shell. Absolutely. Someone has already thought about the tool and even implemented it. It should be command line to save that poor guy's bandwidth :) Too many people in Open Source are reinventing the wheel, especially FTP clients, lightweight web servers, PHP photo galleries, etc Well, if we're not reinventing the wheel, why not just ask the guy if we can have a copy of his whole HTML and just include it with the mutt distribution? I'm sure it's not very big on disk. Then just include instructions on how to navigate to the first page of it with a browser. Actually, the mutt configuration web site is written in PHP3 with a PostgreSQL backend. You might ask him for the code. I did and he was willing to give it to me (I'm evaluating it as an idea for a completely unrelated project). -- Carl B. Constantine University of Victoria Programmer Analyst http://www.uvic.ca UNIX System Administrator Victoria, BC, Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mutt configuration tool
I hadn't really meant to make this a mutt-users topic, but On 2002.03.07, in [EMAIL PROTECTED], Simon White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In an ideal world: $ ./configure --enable-liability --disable-benefit Perhaps. So why doesn't mutt include every patch available as a configure option? (I don't know on a point-by-point basis, but I know that there are good reasons for some exclusions. Some changes in functionality are too fundamental to keep a sane code base, or so basic that they require constant maintenance, and the maintainer isn't equipped to perform that.) Besides, speaking just for myself: I write software for fun, not because the abstract open source community needs it. All the better if they do, but that's often not key. Fair point, but the open source community has to also work on stuff which is useful, cf. the GNU project et al Sure. I only mean to say that it's not fair to put down reduplication of effort without addressing specifics. -- -D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]NSITUniversity of Chicago
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 11:30:30AM -0500, Philip Mak wrote: [...] (In mutt or pine, if I wanted to go look at another message while I'm already writing one, I'd have to postpone it, go look, and come back.) I use the splitting-feature of vim (:help sp). -- Cheers, Heiko Heil msg25149/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
Philip, et al -- ...and then Philip Mak said... % ... % I do find the mouse to be useful in some cases though: If I want to go % to a specific message on the screen, it would be easier to just click % it with the mouse than figuring out how many times I have to hit the % arrow keys to get there. You might try getting in the habit of noting where the message is in your index and jumping to the top or bottom to be closer to it. Then, again, you probably have the message number in the display and you can jump to it with typically three to four keystrokes and not more than five unless you're just really masochistic and like large folders. % % Also, some GUI mail clients allow opening multiple windows to show % more than one message at a time. That functionality is useful for when % I want to compose a single reply to multiple messages, for example. % (In mutt or pine, if I wanted to go look at another message while I'm % already writing one, I'd have to postpone it, go look, and come back.) Why not tag-reply and even get the threading right while you're at it? HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg25150/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt is not for everyone
Hi, all -- ...and then Will Yardley said... % ... % i was thinking about this in the car tonight, and i realized that % (AFAIK) there isn't a simple interactive command line program to help % new users adjust to / configure mutt. % % such a program could easily be written as a shell script or a perl % script... and could be included in the mutt distribution, or in the % contrib/ directory. Not to rain on the parade, particularly since netliberte has been mentioned, but isn't there also a dotfiles generator for mutt as well? That said, I think that mutt-newbie would be a great place to include this; most folks will probably soon outgrow the capabilities of the tool (and we probably *want* it that way because we don't want to have to write a config script that's bigger than all of the mutt source put together!) and take on their config files themselves. It's a neat idea and I'd love to see it. Then, again, I'd love to visit netliberte and the dotfiles generator more often, too :-) :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg25151/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
* Philip Mak [EMAIL PROTECTED] [03-07-02 11:33] crowed: Also, some GUI mail clients allow opening multiple windows to show more than one message at a time. That functionality is useful for when I want to compose a single reply to multiple messages, for example. (In mutt or pine, if I wanted to go look at another message while I'm already writing one, I'd have to postpone it, go look, and come back.) Goodness... Open several xterm windows with mutt and look at all the different msgs you wish. AND, no GUI required, but... a little more manipulation -- Pat Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 Registered at: http://counter.li.org 12:29pm up 18 days, 3:02, 7 users, load average: 1.00, 1.07, 1.18
Re: mutt is not for everyone
On 07-Mar-02 at 12:21, David T-G's inspired musing was thus : Not to rain on the parade, particularly since netliberte has been mentioned, but isn't there also a dotfiles generator for mutt as well? Is dotfiles a generic generator with templates for different apps? Point me to the URL :-) -- |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 30.24% #-| |-Internet Services Manager # http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-|
Re: mutt is not for everyone
Simon, et al -- ...and then Simon White said... % % On 07-Mar-02 at 12:21, David T-G's inspired musing was thus : % Not to rain on the parade, particularly since netliberte has been % mentioned, but isn't there also a dotfiles generator for mutt as well? % % Is dotfiles a generic generator with templates for different apps? Point me to % the URL :-) That's my recollection, but I don't have the URL to give you. You go to the website, IIRC, click on your app, put in some options, and get a config file out. Not unlike netliberte, I suppose, but I know that dotfiles (or dotfile) and generator were in the name. Happy Hunting or TIA to whoever posts it. % % -- % |-Simon White # GIMPS current unit progress: 30.24% #-| % |-Internet Services Manager # http://www.mersenne.org/prime.htm #-| % |-MTDS S.A. 14, rue 16 novembre:-Pd-; tel: +212.3.737.4861-| % |-Rabat, Kingdom of Morocco Cyberneckin' fax: +212.3.737.4863-| HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg25154/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: mutt is not for everyone
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 12:38:35PM -0500, David T-G wrote: That's my recollection, but I don't have the URL to give you. You go to the website, IIRC, click on your app, put in some options, and get a config file out. Not unlike netliberte, I suppose, but I know that dotfiles (or dotfile) and generator were in the name. IIRC, it's actually an app, not a cgi... here's the homepage, thanks to freshmeat :) http://www.blackie.dk/dotfile/ -- Dan Boger [EMAIL PROTECTED] msg25155/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mutt configuration tool
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 08:55:08AM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote: Well, if we're not reinventing the wheel, why not just ask the guy if we can have a copy of his whole HTML and just include it with the mutt distribution? I'm sure it's not very big on disk. Then just include instructions on how to navigate to the first page of it with a browser. Actually, the mutt configuration web site is written in PHP3 with a PostgreSQL backend. You might ask him for the code. I did and he was willing to give it to me (I'm evaluating it as an idea for a completely unrelated project). Maybe host it on www.mutt.org ? Steve -- NetTek Ltd Flat 2, 43 Howitt Road, Belsize Park, London NW3 4LU, UK tel +44-(0)20 7483 1169 fax +44-(0)20 7483 2455 mob 07775 755503 SMS steve-pager (at) gbnet.net [body] gpg 1024D/468952DB 2001-09-19
Re: mutt is not for everyone
On Wed, Mar 06, 2002 at 10:16:24PM -0800, Will Yardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sven Guckes wrote: mutt does not strive to be popular with everyone. after all, all those bad mailers were written to *fit* some people - and they certainly do! so dont take them away from those - they deserve it! i think this statement is a bit elitist simply because a tool is powerful doesn't mean that it can't also be fairly easy to use. it can be overwhelming to be faced with all that power at once; however that doesn't mean that the tool isn't still worth using. FWIW, this was the historical attitude of the mutt developers. I've been around since about version 0.12, with a very long hiatus somewhere in the middle there. Sven was also around for much of that time. The thought was mutt is small and fast and powerful, and is for hackers. Not all of its features are easy to use, and we don't care. We're not going to let it get bloated. So Sven isn't just making this up. On the other hand, that was many moons ago, and despite accumulating some bloat and not being as small, mutt is just about as fast and as useful for the people who liked it back then, while perhaps (I'm not sure about this part) being easier to use for a broader audience. The danger of making it somewhat easier to use for a broader audience is that they'll want to then go farther, eroding its utility to this original group of users. But I don't think that this is a big danger (especially if the developers, some of whom are from the original group and many of the rest of whom would have fit right in there, put their collective foot down in such situations.) So I say go ahead and write a configuration tool, if it makes you happy, and share it with the world, if it makes other people's lives easier. At the same time, the core of mutt will never have a bunch of dialog boxes when you first start it up asking you helpful questions to set it up (though someone could write a script that did so and that would be fine) and there will probably always be users who'd be happier with Evolution or Mozilla pine or Eudora or (gasp!) Outlook or AOL. Mutt can be for a lot of people without any problem, but no, it's probably not for everybody. -Daniel -- Daniel E. Eisenbud [EMAIL PROTECTED] We should go forth on the shortest walk perchance, in the spirit of undying adventure, never to return,--prepared to send back our embalmed hearts only as relics to our desolate kingdoms. --Henry David Thoreau, Walking
Re: Mutt configuration tool
Quoting Steve Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 07, 2002 12:49]: On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 08:55:08AM -0800, Carl B. Constantine wrote: Well, if we're not reinventing the wheel, why not just ask the guy if we can have a copy of his whole HTML and just include it with the mutt distribution? I'm sure it's not very big on disk. Then just include instructions on how to navigate to the first page of it with a browser. Actually, the mutt configuration web site is written in PHP3 with a PostgreSQL backend. You might ask him for the code. I did and he was willing to give it to me (I'm evaluating it as an idea for a completely unrelated project). Maybe host it on www.mutt.org ? You got me curious, so: $ HEAD www.mutt.org 200 OK Connection: close Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:06:57 GMT Accept-Ranges: bytes Server: Apache/1.2.1 Content-Length: 9975 Content-Type: text/html ETag: 9fb5b-26f7-3c4e728a Last-Modified: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:21:30 GMT Client-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 18:07:46 GMT Client-Peer: 194.70.126.33:80 Tell me this isn't accurate! Is www.mutt.org really running Apache 1.2.1? (BTW, no PHP there...) (darren) -- Maybe that's the only truth in the world. Not the Bibles or poetry or philosophy but just the old jokes. -- Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson
HTML mail
How do folks handle HTML mail. If I receive an attached HTML file (and HTML email, I think), autoview will decode it and I'll see it in the pager (correct term?). Then I can use v and when I view the link, Galeon is invoked and I can see the page. But if someone sends an entire page as the email, I don't get the option to view an HTML attachment. All I see is a bunch links and .gif references. I'm not sure what the differences are between these two conditions but it's one of the last pieces of the puzzle to make mutt truly amazing. -- Michael Montagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.boora.com
Re: HTML mail
Have you just tried pressing v from the main page before you open up the letter? Joel On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:23:42AM -0800, Michael Montagne wrote: How do folks handle HTML mail. If I receive an attached HTML file (and HTML email, I think), autoview will decode it and I'll see it in the pager (correct term?). Then I can use v and when I view the link, Galeon is invoked and I can see the page. But if someone sends an entire page as the email, I don't get the option to view an HTML attachment. All I see is a bunch links and .gif references. I'm not sure what the differences are between these two conditions but it's one of the last pieces of the puzzle to make mutt truly amazing. -- Michael Montagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.boora.com
Re: HTML mail
On 07/03/02, from the brain of Joel Hammer tumbled: Have you just tried pressing v from the main page before you open up the letter? Joel On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:23:42AM -0800, Michael Montagne wrote: How do folks handle HTML mail. If I receive an attached HTML file (and HTML email, I think), autoview will decode it and I'll see it in the pager (correct term?). Then I can use v and when I view the link, Galeon is invoked and I can see the page. But if someone sends an entire page as the email, I don't get the option to view an HTML attachment. All I see is a bunch links and .gif references. I'm not sure what the differences are between these two conditions but it's one of the last pieces of the puzzle to make mutt truly amazing. That's the weird thing. Sometimes I get mail that doesn't present a text/html option and sometimes it does. -- Michael Montagne [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.boora.com
multiple attachments
Hi all. How can I attach more than one file to a message, without having to press a and browse for each one? thanks ~ejg msg25162/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: multiple attachments
Eduardo, Press a to get the file browser and then for each file you want to attach hit the 't' key (to tag the file). After all required files are tagged, hit Enter. You should now have the attachments you want. Steve On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 04:27:48PM -0500, Eduardo J. Gargiulo wrote: Hi all. How can I attach more than one file to a message, without having to press a and browse for each one? thanks ~ejg = Steve Mayer Oracle Corporation Senior Member of Technical Staff1211 SW 5th Ave. Portland Development Center Suite 900 [EMAIL PROTECTED]Portland, OR 97204 Phone: 503-525-3127 =
From: header quotes
Hi all. I'm using qmail as MTA and QMAILINJECT variables to edit the headers of my messages (MAILHOST, MAILUSER and MAILNAME). The 'problem' is that my From header shows between quotation marks (). Is there any way to avoid this. I want to send my headers like From: Eduardo J. Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] thanks ~ejg
Re: From: header quotes
Eduardo -- ...and then Eduardo J. Gargiulo said... % % Hi all. Hello! % % I'm using qmail as MTA and QMAILINJECT variables to edit the headers of % my messages (MAILHOST, MAILUSER and MAILNAME). The 'problem' is that my Good enough. % From header shows between quotation marks (). Is there any way to % avoid this. I want to send my headers like % % From: Eduardo J. Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nope; you have a period in your fullname and that calls for quoting. If you are happy enough with From: Eduardo J Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] then you could be quote-free. % % thanks HTH HAND % % ~ejg :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg25165/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: From: header quotes
* Eduardo J. Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] [07-03-02 02:18 PM EST]: my messages (MAILHOST, MAILUSER and MAILNAME). The 'problem' is that my From header shows between quotation marks (). Is there any way to avoid this. I want to send my headers like From: Eduardo J. Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove the J. or the dot '.' and you will not longer see the quotes. Cheers, -- David Collantes - http://www.bus.ucf.edu/david/ College of Business Administration, University of Central Florida Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding. smime.p7s Description: application/pkcs7-signature
Re: From: header quotes
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 02:51:34PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Nope; you have a period in your fullname and that calls for quoting. If you are happy enough with From: Eduardo J Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] then you could be quote-free. it didn't work, look at my headers. My .bashrc lines are ... -- 8 --- MAILHOST=ar.homelinux.org MAILNAME=Eduardo\ J\ Gargiulo MAILUSER=mutt QMAILINJECT=f export MAILHOST MAILNAME MAILUSER QMAILINJECT -- 8 --- ~ejg
Re: mutt is not for everyone
IIRC, it's actually an app, not a cgi... here's the homepage, thanks to freshmeat :) http://www.blackie.dk/dotfile/ Yep, but on that site I don't see support for mutt... seems to have good procmail support though. However, here :- http://www.dotfiles.com/index.php3?cat_id=12 There are a number of sample dotfiles, but no generator. I think, therefore, that a commandline dotfile generator may not be redundant, unless anyone can dig up something else Simon. -- Signature pending
Re: HTML mail
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 10:23:42AM -0800, Michael Montagne wrote: How do folks handle HTML mail. If I receive an attached HTML file (and HTML email, I think), autoview will decode it and I'll see it in the pager (correct term?). Then I can use v and when I view the link, Galeon is invoked and I can see the page. But if someone sends an entire page as the email, I don't get the option to view an HTML attachment. All I see is a bunch links and .gif references. I'm not sure what the differences are between these two conditions but it's one of the last pieces of the puzzle to make mutt truly amazing. That's the weird thing. Sometimes I get mail that doesn't present a text/html option and sometimes it does. It looks to me like the MIME type is broken, so what you're getting is HTML typed into a plain text email, which is displayed correctly by lame MUAs like Outlook Express. Check the headers of the mail and see if it has Content Type: text/html or not. If it does, it should also have some MIME statements too... Content Type on its own is not sufficient. Simon -- Signature still pending
Re: From: header quotes
Eduardo -- ...and then Eduardo J Gargiulo said... % % On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 02:51:34PM -0500, David T-G wrote: % %From: Eduardo J Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] % % then you could be quote-free. % % it didn't work, look at my headers. Hmmm... Interesting. And yet look how mine are going back out. % % My .bashrc lines are ... % % -- 8 --- % MAILHOST=ar.homelinux.org % MAILNAME=Eduardo\ J\ Gargiulo % MAILUSER=mutt % QMAILINJECT=f % % export MAILHOST MAILNAME MAILUSER QMAILINJECT % -- 8 --- Just for fun, even though I know you're using qmail environment variables, unset MAILNAME and try writing a From: line with my_hdr and see what you get. % % ~ejg HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg25170/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: From: header quotes
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 03:51:57PM -0500, David T-G wrote: Just for fun, even though I know you're using qmail environment variables, unset MAILNAME and try writing a From: line with my_hdr and see what you get. I put folder-hook ~/users/mutt my_hdr From: Eduardo Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] in my .muttrc. When i run mutt and write a message, i can see this header, but wen i send the message (like this) the MAILNAME part of the From header disapear. How can i fix this? ~ejg
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
On 07/03/02 Philip Mak did speaketh: I do find the mouse to be useful in some cases though: If I want to go to a specific message on the screen, it would be easier to just click it with the mouse than figuring out how many times I have to hit the arrow keys to get there. Who uses the arrow keys?? hjkl man... Plus, just put in the number of the message you want to go to and hit enter. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 ...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort. -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix msg25172/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
On 07/03/02 Heiko Heil did speaketh: I use the splitting-feature of vim (:help sp). How do you use it to read mail in a folder though? Do you open the mbox file? Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 ...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort. -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix msg25173/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
On 07/03/02 MuttER did speaketh: Goodness... Open several xterm windows with mutt and look at all the different msgs you wish. I just tried xterm -e mutt, and I get a no such file or directory error. Any idea what that is? I'd like to put opening mutt in an xterm on an IceWM keybinding. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 ...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort. -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix msg25174/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
Quoting Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 07, 2002 16:30]: On 07/03/02 MuttER did speaketh: Goodness... Open several xterm windows with mutt and look at all the different msgs you wish. I just tried xterm -e mutt, and I get a no such file or directory error. Any idea what that is? I'd like to put opening mutt in an xterm on an IceWM keybinding. Try xterm -e /path/to/mutt (darren) -- My one regret in life is that I am not someone else. -- Woody Allen
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002, darren chamberlain wrote: Quoting Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Mar 07, 2002 16:30]: On 07/03/02 MuttER did speaketh: Goodness... Open several xterm windows with mutt and look at all the different msgs you wish. I just tried xterm -e mutt, and I get a no such file or directory error. Any idea what that is? I'd like to put opening mutt in an xterm on an IceWM keybinding. Are you sure that you have xterm installed on your computer? or the path to xterm in your $PATH statment? Try xterm -e /path/to/mutt When I tried xterm -e Somerandomfilenamethatdoesn'texist the xterm window came up and the error message was in that xterm window. So where is the error message showing up? -- Knute msg25176/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Controlling headers displayed in vi pager
--GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Joel Hammer spake thus: Since going to vi as my pager, I don't see all the headers I used to be able to see with the builtin pager. Is there a way to force mutt to show me all the headers in my vi pager? Turn off weeding of headers. I'm not sure if that will affect vi, though (depends on how the pager is implemented in the code). --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Whenever I watch TV and see those poor starving kids all over the world, I can't help but cry. I mean, I'd love to be skinny like that but not with all those flies and death and stuff. -- Mariah Carey --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8h/HLPTh2iSBKeccRAmb6AJ4uoRx5pl7SiELvCfpg46Uqal32DACfWgxF MfsUPhY9KL1sAbomVUNrb6E= =V5tF -END PGP SIGNATURE- --GvXjxJ+pjyke8COw--
About the language for the mutt config tool
Hello, my two eurocent on this issue. Any language can be made readable or unreadable. Personally, I think that any program is readable if it has complete, up to date embedded comments explaining what is happening and meaningful variable names, even if the actual code looks like ancient Greek, scrambled. About this particular project: let's just do it in whatever language the majority of the volunteers is ALREADY proficient with, not with the one which the majority of the list thinks better for any reason. Otherwise it will never get done. Unless, of course, it already exist in another language and we just have to port it to the command line. Personally, I am very good with Perl and know (almost) nothing of Python, just because it happened so. I will help even if the thing is made in Python, it will be a good occasion to learn it, but of course will be less helpful in debugging. So, what language do the volunteers know better? Ciao, Marco Fioretti -- Any medium powerful enough to extend man's reach is powerful enough to topple his world. To get the medium's magic to work for one's aims rather than against them is to attain literacy. Alan Kay, Computer Software, Scientific American, Sep. 1984
use another email address
Hi. I'm new to the list (however I did have a quick look at the archives before sending this!). Is there a way of using another From: (and Reply-To:) email address without using the folder-hook system? Thanks for any help Rory -- Rory Campbell-Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.campbell-lange.net
Re: From: header quotes
--Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alas! Eduardo J Gargiulo spake thus: it didn't work, look at my headers. You mean the header that looks like this? From: Eduardo J Gargiulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like it worked from here, guy ;) --=20 Rob 'Feztaa' Park [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You're one of those condescending Unix computer users! Here's a nickel, kid. Get yourself a real computer. -- Dilbert comic --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8h/aQPTh2iSBKeccRAukiAJoCtWQe68EErJ+t6Lr+62CTpNz5igCbBVZ7 KHBDILxTdZgq9+93BtWfjYo= =RNzW -END PGP SIGNATURE- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE--
Re: use another email address
On Thu, 07 Mar 2002, Rory Campbell-Lange wrote: Hi. I'm new to the list (however I did have a quick look at the archives before sending this!). Is there a way of using another From: (and Reply-To:) email address without using the folder-hook system? You could always set up an alternate compose macro that will set the ^From Address using my_hdr. An example could be (and bear with me, I'm not very good at this yet.): macro index F5 'compose\n set my_hdr From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]enter' Of course, you may need to have another macro to reset your default from address back to your default. I haven't tested this macro to see if it would even work, so I have no idea if it will or not. Thanks for any help I just hope that I did help! :) -- Knute msg25181/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: About the language for the mutt config tool
On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 12:03:56AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: Any language can be made readable or unreadable. Personally, I think that any program is readable if it has complete, up to date embedded comments explaining what is happening and meaningful variable names, even if the actual code looks like ancient Greek, scrambled. Agreed. About this particular project: let's just do it in whatever language the majority of the volunteers is ALREADY proficient with, not with the one which the majority of the list thinks better for any reason. Otherwise it will never get done. Yup Personally, I am very good with Perl and know (almost) nothing of Python, just because it happened so. I will help even if the thing is made in Python, it will be a good occasion to learn it, but of course will be less helpful in debugging. ditto (modified to proficient rather than very good...) So, what language do the volunteers know better? Perl. Michael -- Dr Michael A. Maibaum - (W)+1 (415) 561 1682 - (H)+1 (415) 626 6733 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.gene-hacker.net/ msg25182/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: About the language for the mutt config tool
Michael Maibaum wrote: On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 12:03:56AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: So, what language do the volunteers know better? Perl. my guess is that more people know perl well... that's nothing against python; from everything i've heard, python is a great language. i'm personally for whatever will make it easiest for people to contribute. should we start a list about this (either mutt.org or outside) to reduce all this chatter on the mutt-users list? if this project seems like something that people want to work on, i think that would be a good idea. regarding cvs space, i've never setup a cvs pserver before; i'm assuming this will be the easiest way to offer anonymous CVS access. i doubt it's that hard to setup though. -- Will Yardley william newdream . net
Re: About the language for the mutt config tool
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 03:39:48PM -0800, Will Yardley wrote: Michael Maibaum wrote: On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 12:03:56AM +0100, Marco Fioretti wrote: So, what language do the volunteers know better? Perl. my guess is that more people know perl well... that's nothing against python; from everything i've heard, python is a great language. i'm personally for whatever will make it easiest for people to contribute. should we start a list about this (either @mutt.org or outside) to reduce all this chatter on the mutt-users list? if this project seems like something that people want to work on, i think that would be a good idea. Yup regarding cvs space, i've never setup a cvs pserver before; i'm assuming this will be the easiest way to offer anonymous CVS access. i doubt it's that hard to setup though. That is OK for read access, dubious for write access(which should be by ssh probably), add a cvs module to the mutt.newbie project at sourceforge? I set up a pserver for cvs on an intranet once, a while back. The howto we sufficient (google somewhere..). Michael -- Dr Michael A. Maibaum - (W)+1 (415) 561 1682 - (H)+1 (415) 626 6733 [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL:http://www.gene-hacker.net/ msg25184/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Is mutt really handicapped?
On 07/03/02 darren chamberlain did speaketh: I just tried xterm -e mutt, and I get a no such file or directory error. Any idea what that is? I'd like to put opening mutt in an xterm on an IceWM keybinding. Try xterm -e /path/to/mutt I should have been clearer. It loads mutt, but then mutt gives me the no such file or directory error. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier [EMAIL PROTECTED], GnuPG pub key: 5BC8BE08 ...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount of nerd-like effort. -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to Unix msg25185/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
