On 2017-08-09 10:11, Hiers, David wrote:
> That is what our lawyers are starting to figure out, too. Very glad to see
> them converging on the tribal wisdom.
late to discussion.
You might get some organisations which require you to provide
intra-canada routes for privacy reasons. But at the mom
You mean ROBALLOFUS right?
:-)
On August 8, 2017 5:33:28 PM PDT, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
>
>
>With the peering policies of the major Canadian ISPs, you're
>virtually guaranteed to hairpin through the US on most paths.
>
>Robellus (Rogers, Bell & Telus) will peer with you at any of their
>major
: Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing
Canadian here who's evaluated service providers and dealt with legal
requirements for our customers...
Generally we weren't worried about data travelling through the US based on
normal internet routes, as long as it was encryp
Sorta, kinda. The various ASs operated by Zayo are more interconnected than
that description would imply. The traditional mode of operation on an "acquired
AS" has been to turn down any upstream transit as quickly as contractually
possible and upgrade NNI capacity between that AS and 6461 to com
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Subject: Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing
On 20/07/2017, Hiers, David wrote:
> Hi,
> We're looking to extend some services into Canada. While our lawyers dig
> into it, I thought that I'd ask the hive mind about border restrictions.
>
>
of Keenan Tims
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 2:48 AM
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Subject: Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing
On 2017-08-08 17:10, Bill Woodcock wrote:
> No. In fact, Bell Canada / Bell Aliant and Telus guarantee that you_will_
> go through Chicago, Seattle,
US/Canada International border concerns for routing
It seems to me the original question was asking about it more from a legal
perspective, in other words does Canadian traffic have to stay in Canada. IANAL
(or a Canadian), but the answer is "mostly, no, especially as related to
publicly routed tra
David
Generally speaking, when customers have concerns about their traffic
crossing borders, they do ask upfront.
As a multinational operator you can only guarantee traffic if customers
asks and offcours pays the fee for special class of service.
Ahad
On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 at 9:21 am, Hiers, David
Canadian here who's evaluated service providers and dealt with legal
requirements for our customers...
Generally we weren't worried about data travelling through the US based on
normal internet routes, as long as it was encrypted. The thing we usually
specified in RFPs was that the data could n
and no one selling dark on this route today.
- R.
From: NANOG on behalf of Eric Kuhnke
Sent: Wednesday, August 9, 2017 4:13 AM
To: Stephen Fulton; nanog@nanog.org list
Subject: Re: US/Canada International border concerns for routing
It is worth noting, however
It is worth noting, however, that the former AllStream ASN (formerly AT&T
Canada) AS15290 is a completely different thing, and has distinct
infrastructure and routing from the AboveNet ASN which is operated by Zayo.
Although they are probably using "Free" Zayo transport by now.
If I am grossly wro
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Keenan Tims wrote:
> While they do practice peering protectionism and only purchase transit out of
> country, the situation is not *quite* so bad that all traffic round-trips
> through the US.
No, not all, 64%. By comparison, only 0.27% of intra-US traffic goes t
OK, Maybe I was a bit overly dramatic. One of the big 3 peered with
us in a US location, but refused to peer in Canada.
I can't recall if we actually did specifically ask Rogers at one
point or not. I know we haven't asked recently.
At 08:41 PM 08/08/2017, Bill Woodcock wrote:
> On Aug
It seems to me the original question was asking about it more from a legal
perspective, in other words does Canadian traffic have to stay in Canada. IANAL
(or a Canadian), but the answer is "mostly, no, especially as related to
publicly routed traffic" as should be evidenced based on what's alre
On 2017-08-08 17:10, Bill Woodcock wrote:
No. In fact, Bell Canada / Bell Aliant and Telus guarantee that you_will_ go
through Chicago, Seattle, New York, or Ashburn, since none of them peer
anywhere in Canada at all.
The major national networks (Bell, Rogers, Telus, Shaw, Zayo/Allstream)
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Clayton Zekelman wrote:
>
>
>
> With the peering policies of the major Canadian ISPs, you're virtually
> guaranteed to hairpin through the US on most paths.
>
> Robellus (Rogers, Bell & Telus) will peer with you at any of their major
> Canadian peering points,
With the peering policies of the major Canadian ISPs, you're
virtually guaranteed to hairpin through the US on most paths.
Robellus (Rogers, Bell & Telus) will peer with you at any of their
major Canadian peering points, such as NYC, Chicago or LA.
At 10:01 AM 20/07/2017, Hiers, David wr
TR,
MTS Allstream is no longer a combined entity. MTS was purchased by Bell
Canada and Allstream was purchased by Zayo.
-- Stephen
On 2017-08-08 8:19 PM, TR Shaw wrote:
Bill,
What does Bell buying MTS do? Does it change your statement or will the MTS
portion of Bell still peer locally?
T
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 5:19 PM, TR Shaw wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> What does Bell buying MTS do? Does it change your statement or will the MTS
> portion of Bell still peer locally?
I’d have to go back and look at the actual ASNs in our analysis. I think what
we called “MTS Allstream” in the chart i
Bill,
What does Bell buying MTS do? Does it change your statement or will the MTS
portion of Bell still peer locally?
Tom
> On Aug 8, 2017, at 8:10 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote:
>
>
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Hiers, David wrote:
>> For traffic routing, is anyone constraining cross-border ro
> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:01 AM, Hiers, David wrote:
> For traffic routing, is anyone constraining cross-border routing between
> Canada and the US? IOW, if you are routing from Toronto to Montreal, do you
> have to guarantee that the path cannot go through, say, Syracuse, New York?
No. In fac
On 20/07/2017, Hiers, David wrote:
> Hi,
> We're looking to extend some services into Canada. While our lawyers dig
> into it, I thought that I'd ask the hive mind about border restrictions.
>
> For traffic routing, is anyone constraining cross-border routing between
> Canada and the US? IOW, if
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