Re: [NetBehaviour] Pall Thayer's Personal Netart 2.0: A Manifesto of Variable Manifestation...
contemporary culture but netart can do it automatically. Without intervention. Netart 2.0 is not virtual ++Virtual art is terrible term. Art is never virtual. It either is or it isn't. Netart 2.0 is not dependent upon The World Wide Web ++Their are hundreds of ways in which you can connect to the Internet and the WWW is just one. Netart can use any of these methods. I hope that explains at least some of the issues. If not, I'm happy to discuss them. But keep in mind that the good thing about a manifesto is that it is not a logical, philosophical or theoretical argument. It's a personal interpretation. So there is no such thing as wrong or right here, but if anyone disagrees with any of these points I'd like to here what those disagreements are and why.a best r. Pall Thayer -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Pall Thayer's Personal Netart 2.0: A Manifesto of Variable Manifestation...
Hi Helen, As Marc correctly mentioned in one of the posts about this, this was something I wrote in regards to my own personal practice. The 2.0 tag is of course a reference to Web 2.0 that produced a huge leap in the amount of content being produced by the casual Internet user. So much that it pretty much produces an endless amount of material for the Netart 2.0 artist to work from. In regards to my personal conceptual concerns that basically means that the work can't end because I don't really provide myself with any means of limiting the amount of content I use. I also thought that the line Netart 2.0 is not epic. sounded really cool :-). There is one important point that I neglected to mention in my previous post in regards to the title of the manifesto. The reason it's called a Manifesto of Variable Manifestation is that it can change whenever and/or however anyone chooses. So, you are free to use the manifesto and remove that line if it suits you :-) It also comes with no copyright. Not even a creative commons license. No attribution is required, nothing. So you could remove the epic line and call it the Networked Performance 2.0 Manifesto of Variable Manifestation. I suggest you hang on to the Variable Manifestation bit just in case you want to change it or someone challenges you on it at a later time. Yes, there are works that stop at a certain time due to technological changes but my thinking on this is along the lines that when the work is started up it has the potential to go on forever. Of course it won't because even if the creator is lucky enough to escape network configuration changes and the likes the hardware will at some time give up or technology will advance beyond the work. Like with all of the work that was designed to run on Mac OS 9. So any sensible person will understand that the work isn't going to run forever but at the moment of initiation, it does in fact have that potential because we don't know how or when things will change enough for the piece to stop functioning correctly. The interactive issue is a bit tricky, I admit. As I mentioned, all work that uses the internet is going to be interactive since the computers are, at the very least, interacting with the network. But in the manifesto statement I'm referring more to viewer interaction. There is a wide-spread assumption that this sort of work always offers some form of viewer interaction. I'm simply pointing out that there is nothing about Netart that makes this a requirement. If we're talking about something we call Interactive Art I can see this as being a requirement but not in Netart. best regards, Pall Thayer On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Helen Varley Jamieson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi pall, thanks very much for this elaboration. i have one question which relates to the point about netart 2.0 not being epic, where you say A call for work that states that works should be no longer than xx minutes automatically excludes netart. i work in cyberformance - live online performance - which pretty much fits all of the points apart from this one; in fact this week we'll be sending out a call for performances that will state a time limit ; ) i regard this area of practice as being a part of the bigger field of netart (as well as other linked/overlapping and sometimes disparate fields such as networked performance, digital performance, theatre, etc) but according to this point in your manifesto, it's not ... (maybe it's net art?) you say that netart 2.0 has the potential to keep going forever therefore it has to keep going - but you've also said that it doesn't have to be interactive just because it can be. so why do you think it can't or shouldn't stop? there must be heaps of examples of work (performances for starters, but also many other forms of netart) that don't keep going forever, especially those that depend on technology that becomes obsolete. h : ) Hi people, I just stumbled across a thread on Netbehaviour from a few weeks ago discussing a brief and perhaps slightly cryptic manifesto I wrote a couple of years ago. In the thread, Marc Garrett ponders whether or not he should ask me to clarify. Well, he didn't but I'm more than happy to do so anyway. First of all, I'm surprised this popped up at all since when I wrote it I announced it once on Rhizome and haven't mentioned it since. I don't even have a link to it on my sight even though it still resides on my server. The manifesto was written in part out of frustration. Frustration with what I felt had become common assumptions regarding networked art that I didn't (and don't) agree with. These assumptions were things I came across in calls for work, theoretical writings on networked art and various other formal and informal descriptions of networked art. So here comes a somewhat more detailed discussion of the manifesto and its parts. Netart 2.0: A Manifesto of Variable Manifestation Initial draft October 18
Re: [NetBehaviour] Netart 2.0 is not net.art
most casual-viewers' online experience dates only from a few years at max. Maybe there should first be a manifesto to better define net art 1.0 ? You are correct. These points I mention have been around for a long time now. But until now I don't know of anyone who has specifically discussed these points in this manner in an attempt to define their work and that's why I wrote it. best r. Pall Thanks again for your thoughts, the discussion is indeed very interesting! :) Z Bootymachine www.bootymachine.net experimental groove experiment [EMAIL PROTECTED] Le 1 avr. 08 à 13:00, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Netart 2.0: A Manifesto of Variable Manifestation Initial draft October 18, 2006 Netart 2.0 is not net.art ++The internet has changed a lot in recent years. Casual Internet users have become content producers as well as content consumers. These shifts in the way the public uses the internet is reflected in more recent netart. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Netart 2.0 is not net.art
The talk I referred to was given in either 2002 or 2003. Interesting that we were essentially saying the same thing about the requirement for constant connectivity. But then again this was an issue that was being somewhat widely discussed if I recall correctly. The reason I tagged the 2.0 on there was in reference to the term Web 2.0. To me the whole idea behind Web 2.0, where content is being updated constantly, day and night, every day, has a lot to offer for netart at a conceptual level. The idea that a work of art can at any given moment be reflecting not just semi-current but immediately current contemporary trends and issues regardless of the age of the work, I find highly intriguing. best r. Pall On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:24 PM, info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pall Thayer a écrit : There is a lot of other work that will stop functioning as soon as you disconnect from the Internet. I'm saying that that is Netart 2.0, the other work essentially just uses the Internet for distribution. i agree 50% - i wrote that in 2002, but in french ... http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-fr-0209/msg00020.html i disagree 50% - because you don't need 2.0 label, it's a definition for net art ++ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Netart 2.0 is not net.art
There's an interesting discussion regarding the Holy Fire exhibition going on at Rhizome: http://rhizome.org/editorial/fp/blog.php/590 Pall On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 1:18 PM, info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pall Thayer a écrit : The talk I referred to was given in either 2002 or 2003. Interesting that we were essentially saying the same thing about the requirement for constant connectivity. But then again this was an issue that was being somewhat widely discussed if I recall correctly. some people still think that net art does not need the net, and some people think that art without a market is not art (check this: http://www.imal.org/HolyFire/en/ ) i think that net art needs the net, like painting needs pigments, and that art does not need a market to be art. as artists, we have to know what sense we put in words, this is also what define our practices. your manifesto is a good exercise on this way. The reason I tagged the 2.0 on there was in reference to the term Web 2.0. To me the whole idea behind Web 2.0, where content is being updated constantly, day and night, every day, has a lot to offer for netart at a conceptual level. The idea that a work of art can at any given moment be reflecting not just semi-current but immediately current contemporary trends and issues regardless of the age of the work, I find highly intriguing. i like this idea, and work with it, but 2.0 label is a also a big buzzword recovering many differents points of view, and blurring sense. 2.0 is also a kind of catch-all in order to concentrate data within proprietary platforms, while marketing the illusion of a global fun and cool real time collaboration between so many friends... ++ best r. Pall On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 12:24 PM, info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pall Thayer a écrit : There is a lot of other work that will stop functioning as soon as you disconnect from the Internet. I'm saying that that is Netart 2.0, the other work essentially just uses the Internet for distribution. i agree 50% - i wrote that in 2002, but in french ... http://www.nettime.org/Lists-Archives/nettime-fr-0209/msg00020.html i disagree 50% - because you don't need 2.0 label, it's a definition for net art ++ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Netart 2.0 is not net.art
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[NetBehaviour] Nude Studies in Aleatoric Environments - new work by Pall Thayer
I appologize for dropping rather suddenly out of the discussion that was ongoing here earlier. I do intend to reply to those that I haven't replied to yet. I've been pretty busy putting the final touches on a new project that I'm releasing online today. Here is the announcement. The web-version of my newest piece Nude Studies in Aleatoric Environments is now running at http://pallit.lhi.is/nude_studies The project is created more around the idea of a gallery installation so this online version can be seen as a taste of the full piece. The online version uses 4 locations and represents the Americas only whereas the gallery version uses 12 locations and represents the whole globe. The gallery version also has audio which was not possible to include in the online version due to bandwidth constraints. best regards, Pall Thayer -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Second Life Faces Open Source Challenges.
I didn't know you could use an SL client to log onto an OpenSim server. That's really cool. Means that people can experiment with setting up their own virtual life server without the hassle of writing a complicated client as well. Can't wait to try it out. Bummer for Linden. Lesson learned: Don't toy with open-source unless you really mean it. You have to be careful if you want to have your cake and eat it too. Bad side to the lesson: People like Microsoft can use this as an example of how viral open source is and how it's going to destroy your business model if you use a single piece of open source software. Pall marc garrett wrote: Second Life Faces Open Source Challenges. Second Life vendor Linden Lab has been dabbling in open source for quite a while: their client code is available, and they've persistently talked about (though not actually carried through on) making the server open source as well. But now the company is facing a potential upheaval to its business model, as alternative compatible virtual worlds are maturing. Can they cope with the challenge? The root of the change that Linden Lab is facing is the open-source OpenSimulator project. Working with the protocols derived from the official Second Life client, and a knowledge of how Second Life works, these people have implemented their own compatible server code: you can use a Second Life client to log on to an OpenSim server. Beyond that, anyone can run their own server. more... http://tinyurl.com/6a2avn ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] pulsating emotion organism.
If the CC license is meant to apply to the work itself, then it's a flawed application of it. The only thing that it can really apply to in this case is the documentation of the work. He doesn't give you any materials that allow you to alter, transform or build upon the work which would apply if there was source-code or schematics provided. Oh, and then there's the fact that we could both take the time to actually read what it says on the website, like the part where he states that what's copyrighted are pictures, text, video... :-) Pall On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 7:28 PM, dave miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This project reminds me of something I did a couple of years ago: http://davemiller.org/index.php?nav_item=Gallerygallery_nav=newscartoon_v2 This version without a doubt is far nicer and much more refined. In fact I think it looks stunning. But I think it's essentially it's the same concept - basically - taking words and phrases from live feeds -blogs - then converting into values and then representing those values. I'm sure I wasn't the first to have tried it either. Why the CC copyright, and is it possible to CC something that others have explored beforehand? Under the terms of the CC copyright we are allowed to share and remix the work but we must attribute the work to markus kison. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ markus - from my perspective this doesn't seem fair. You claim the idea for yourself as officially yours and yours alone, then insist that anyone else who's inspired by it must attribute you. Dave 2008/7/14 marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]: pulsating emotion organism. A fascinating live visualisation of recent emotional expressions written on the private weblogs published on blogger.com. emotional expressions are parsed according to a list of synonyms, which then physically transform an abstract shape-shifting object. textual expressions are assigned to 1 of 8 basic human emotions, which are represented as a 3D cone consisting of 24 distinct areas. this abstract diagram forms the basic shape of pulse, a physical object that is able to enlarge in 24 different directions. each time a specific expressionistic emotion is found in a blog entry written during the last minute, the shapeshifting object transforms itself, so that that the new physical volume represents a piece of the world's current emotional condition. more... http://www.markuskison.de/pulse/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] software
The Gimp: http://www.gimp.org/ rich white wrote: hey everybody can anybody recommend any really good opensource photo editing software for macs? cheers rich white http://www.counterwork.co.uk 07812444612 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] software
I've never understood why they don't just include X11 in the default installation. Must be some sort of licensing thing. KH Jeron wrote: Please keep in mind that gimp for mac still relies on X11, which might be anoying ... marc garrett schrieb: Yep - Gimp is the one... marc Try http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/ On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 1:20 PM, rich white [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey everybody can anybody recommend any really good opensource photo editing software for macs? cheers rich white http://www.counterwork.co.uk 07812444612 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- best Jake Jake Harries Digital Arts Programme Manager ACCESS SPACE 1 Sidney St Sheffield, S1 4RG, UK t: +44 (0)114 249 5522 w: www.access-space.org http://www.access-space.org Reg. Charity 1103837 www.myspace.com/jakeharries http://www.myspace.com/jakeharries www.myspace.com/heights_of_abraham http://www.myspace.com/heights_of_abraham www.myspace.com/chakk http://www.myspace.com/chakk P Help save paper: do you need to print this email? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Low-tech communications art
I really like this work. Never seen or heard about before. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Museum_fuer_Telekommunikation_Telefonschafe_25_Jan_2004.jpg ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] A Foundation
That's funny. That has got to be the most blatant and silly misunderstanding of open source that I've ever seen. Pall On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Rob Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dave miller wrote: This digital archive for contemporary art and visual culture could develop into a Facebook for the global art community http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/art/2008/07/among_the_archives_a_database.html What do people think about this? They claim that: http://www.adatabase.org/ A Database is a pioneering open-source research engine and digital archive for contemporary visual culture. But then they claim that: http://www.adatabase.org/adatabase/static/overview.html This is the beauty of the open source principle. Artists and creative organisation can now digitise their work to museum standard and still remain in total control. This isn't Open Source, it's permission culture. And then they flatly contradict any semblance of Open Source with: http://www.adatabase.org/adatabase/static/terms.html Subject to the limited right to print and download set out above, no Content may be reproduced, communicated to the public, distributed, re-used or extracted from this website for any purpose (including without limitation any storage, reproduction or linking) without the prior written consent of A Database Ltd. Third-party permission (for example from the artist or their estate, or from the holders of any trademark, personality or image rights or similar) may also be required, and A Database Ltd makes no warranties or representations in this regard nor does it purport to grant any such rights. and: You must not create any hyperlinks to any part of this website without our prior written consent. If you wish to establish a link to our site please contact us at the address set out above. I recommend that they make their database compliant with the Open Knowledge definition (http://opendefinition.org/) and make it machine-readable and freely accessible through a network API in accordance with the Open Software Service Definition (http://opendefinition.org/ossd?action=showredirect=osd). This needn't expose the third-party imagery or blurb in the database (although Creative Commons licencing the promotional text and the *photographs* rather than the original artworks wouldn't hurt), just the facts contained within it. That would differentiate this service from Saatchi and ArtNet and bring it more clearly into alignment with its stated objectives. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] On being
Hi people,I've begun a sort of open examination (for lack of a better term) that I posted on Rhizome. I'd appreciate it if Netbehaviourists would also take a look at it and comment and or give input, modify code or whatever. As of this writing it's 5 comments in the thread and so I'm not going to repost them here. You can see it at http://rhizome.org/discuss/view/38040 -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] exist.pl An introspective metaphysical and ontological investigation from the standpoint of a program running on a computer
I've moved my exist.pl project to Google code. It can be viewed at: http://code.google.com/p/existpl To view the actual program click on the Source tab, select Browse and then trunk or you can go directly to this URL: http://code.google.com/p/existpl/source/browse/trunk/exist.pl Any and all suggestions and comments are welcome whether posted on Google Code or here on Netbehaviour. DISCLAIMER: Any comments or suggestions made about exist.pl may or may not be used for exhibition purposes. Pall ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] exist.pl An introspective metaphysical and ontological investigation from the standpoint of a program running on a computer
Any and all suggestions and comments are welcome whether posted on Google Code or here on Netbehaviour. Signal handlers might be good. Yes, I've been thinking about that. The program gets a split second awareness of the termination of its state of being. Sort of like seeing your life flash before your eyes. Maybe that could be what a termination signal handler does, let's it run one last time through it's awareness. Then it dies. What I'm working on now is a hash called %awareness that I can experiment with throughout the development. It will contain all the various elements of the programs awareness; it's awareness of itself, of other processes around it and perhaps even it's static environment; OS, hardware, network, etc. Big things are afoot. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl
Is it worth adding a simple neural net so the program can draw its own conclusions? :-) But see, that's where things begin to get really hairy. Would such conclusions really be the program's conclusions? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that they were my conclusions? I've got some ideas regarding AI and intelligence in general that have emerged while working on this project. I'll try to post them later today. Pall ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl
clemos wrote: Hi Maybe you should execute it again, in the end, with eval or something ? Its temporary inexistance would be something more like a sleep, and the end of your program its awakening. Its death would not be the end of program anymore, but rather an external signal (kill) or the consequence of an error like memory leak or something. I have a good reason for doing it this way. I just have to remember exactly what it was. I'll try to post it later today. Pall ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl
We do not create the structure of our own brains, we receive their design via evolution (or from God, but either way we don't make them ourselves). But we eventually take credit for using them. The structure of a neural net isn't determined by the program itself either. *Legally* the program's conclusions would be yours, I think. But *philosophically* is there a reason other than the simplicity of the program that means credit for its discoveries should go to the author instead? AI programs are texts, they are scores. They are more like the writing games of the Oulipo or the Surrealists or the Beats than a simpler static text. If they produce strange loops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_loop) then this could be at least an analogue to or metaphor for self-awareness. - Rob. Points taken and sure, they could justify taking such a step in this project, which is purely conceptual and must therefore adhere to the original concept of creating a computer program that performs an introspective metaphysical and ontological examination of its own existence and being. I've always seen something wrong with the idea of AI. It just sounds absurd to me that a machine can be made to become intelligent as we define it in regards to humans. Based on the limited reading I've done on the subject, some of the largest steps towards realizing AI have more or less involved redefining what intelligence is. So here's my proposal: The fundamental element of intelligence is an innate desire to be aware of one's existence and state of being. This is the basis of intelligence and without it nothing can emerge that can be called true intelligence. Obviously, my program has no desire to be aware of its existence and state of being. That's why I have to tell it to do so and how to go about it. A computer program can be made to know certain things and even to make logical deductions based on that knowledge but that's not synonymous with intelligence. It will never be able to make reasoned decisions based on an intelligent understanding of things. A child who can rattle of the product of any two numbers between 1 and 10 isn't showing signs of intelligence. They're simply repeating something they know. It's not until they start dealing with numbers that they haven't managed to memorize that they may display intelligence through understanding and this understanding is acquired through their desire to be aware of their existence and state of being. That's essentially why they went through the trouble of acquiring the understanding needed to multiply those numbers. So, that's where I'm at right now. I'm not extremely well read in these matters and it could very well be that I'm simply repeating something that philosophers have been saying for the last 100 years. But this is what I'm learning from my work on exist.pl Pall ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl
james jwm-art net wrote: Just a quick thought: how about a client/server model? so there could be several components communicating with each other? Actually, I see that as a later step. The program will eventually want to explore outer space and that's where networking can come into the picture. Pall On 25/7/2008, Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We do not create the structure of our own brains, we receive their design via evolution (or from God, but either way we don't make them ourselves). But we eventually take credit for using them. The structure of a neural net isn't determined by the program itself either. *Legally* the program's conclusions would be yours, I think. But *philosophically* is there a reason other than the simplicity of the program that means credit for its discoveries should go to the author instead? AI programs are texts, they are scores. They are more like the writing games of the Oulipo or the Surrealists or the Beats than a simpler static text. If they produce strange loops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_loop) then this could be at least an analogue to or metaphor for self-awareness. - Rob. Points taken and sure, they could justify taking such a step in this project, which is purely conceptual and must therefore adhere to the original concept of creating a computer program that performs an introspective metaphysical and ontological examination of its own existence and being. I've always seen something wrong with the idea of AI. It just sounds absurd to me that a machine can be made to become intelligent as we define it in regards to humans. Based on the limited reading I've done on the subject, some of the largest steps towards realizing AI have more or less involved redefining what intelligence is. So here's my proposal: The fundamental element of intelligence is an innate desire to be aware of one's existence and state of being. This is the basis of intelligence and without it nothing can emerge that can be called true intelligence. Obviously, my program has no desire to be aware of its existence and state of being. That's why I have to tell it to do so and how to go about it. A computer program can be made to know certain things and even to make logical deductions based on that knowledge but that's not synonymous with intelligence. It will never be able to make reasoned decisions based on an intelligent understanding of things. A child who can rattle of the product of any two numbers between 1 and 10 isn't showing signs of intelligence. They're simply repeating something they know. It's not until they start dealing with numbers that they haven't managed to memorize that they may display intelligence through understanding and this understanding is acquired through their desire to be aware of their existence and state of being. That's essentially why they went through the trouble of acquiring the understanding needed to multiply those numbers. So, that's where I'm at right now. I'm not extremely well read in these matters and it could very well be that I'm simply repeating something that philosophers have been saying for the last 100 years. But this is what I'm learning from my work on exist.pl Pall ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl
ps. Just out of curiosity. Has anyone actually tried running exist.pl on their own computer? It should run on any Mac OS X or Linux computer (or any *nix variation). I'd be interested in hearing what people think. For those unfamiliar with Perl scripts, simply copy and paste the code into a text file and title it exist.pl Then open a terminal window, cd to the folder where you saved it and type 'perl exist.pl' Pall Rob Myers wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, james jwm-art net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a quick thought: how about a client/server model? so there could be several components communicating with each other? Or peer-to-peer, for a more equal society. ;-) - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl
OK, don't be disappointed when you do run it. Keep in mind that it's an introspective exercise on the part of the software. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:12 PM, james jwm-art net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was not so much thinking in terms of networks involving other computers, more splitting the parts of the program up (or potential parts) so they can comunicate with each other and respawn dead processes, I suppose roughly analogous to sensing processes and a brain process, perhaps allowing the senses to respawn a dead brain. But that almost suggests a brain is redundant as the senses... hmmm as a daemon is what I was thinking of, with ports and that, networking would be a step after. Not had the chance to actually try the script yet... in just a moment. On 25/7/2008, Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: james jwm-art net wrote: Just a quick thought: how about a client/server model? so there could be several components communicating with each other? Actually, I see that as a later step. The program will eventually want to explore outer space and that's where networking can come into the picture. Pall On 25/7/2008, Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We do not create the structure of our own brains, we receive their design via evolution (or from God, but either way we don't make them ourselves). But we eventually take credit for using them. The structure of a neural net isn't determined by the program itself either. *Legally* the program's conclusions would be yours, I think. But *philosophically* is there a reason other than the simplicity of the program that means credit for its discoveries should go to the author instead? AI programs are texts, they are scores. They are more like the writing games of the Oulipo or the Surrealists or the Beats than a simpler static text. If they produce strange loops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_loop) then this could be at least an analogue to or metaphor for self-awareness. - Rob. Points taken and sure, they could justify taking such a step in this project, which is purely conceptual and must therefore adhere to the original concept of creating a computer program that performs an introspective metaphysical and ontological examination of its own existence and being. I've always seen something wrong with the idea of AI. It just sounds absurd to me that a machine can be made to become intelligent as we define it in regards to humans. Based on the limited reading I've done on the subject, some of the largest steps towards realizing AI have more or less involved redefining what intelligence is. So here's my proposal: The fundamental element of intelligence is an innate desire to be aware of one's existence and state of being. This is the basis of intelligence and without it nothing can emerge that can be called true intelligence. Obviously, my program has no desire to be aware of its existence and state of being. That's why I have to tell it to do so and how to go about it. A computer program can be made to know certain things and even to make logical deductions based on that knowledge but that's not synonymous with intelligence. It will never be able to make reasoned decisions based on an intelligent understanding of things. A child who can rattle of the product of any two numbers between 1 and 10 isn't showing signs of intelligence. They're simply repeating something they know. It's not until they start dealing with numbers that they haven't managed to memorize that they may display intelligence through understanding and this understanding is acquired through their desire to be aware of their existence and state of being. That's essentially why they went through the trouble of acquiring the understanding needed to multiply those numbers. So, that's where I'm at right now. I'm not extremely well read in these matters and it could very well be that I'm simply repeating something that philosophers have been saying for the last 100 years. But this is what I'm learning from my work on exist.pl Pall ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit
Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl
Well, on the screen you don't see anything happen (that's why I warned jwm not to be disappointed). Once you give the command, it starts running so it drops from the command prompt but doesn't give you another because it's going through a consistent loop that is maintained by the existence of the exist.pl file. So as long as it exists in the same location, it just keeps looping but as I say, outwardly it doesn't appear to be doing anything. That's where the importance of the code comes in, if you look at the code (and I've included comments that explain to some degree what's going on, anything following a # is an explanatory comment that isn't executed as code), you can see that there is actually a lot going on. Within the loop (indicated with the while function) it continuously checks if the file is still there, whether the program is in fact running (which is sort of funny because it wouldn't be able to check if it weren't running), whether there are other programs running on the computer and if there are, it locates itself within the whole group of programs running on the same computer. It doesn't actually do anything with the information it gathers. It just keeps checking over and over again if the information is still there. If you try running it, it will exit if you delete the file, but not before recreating itself. So it will stop, but you can start it running right away again because the file you deleted will have magically re-appeared (that's what I refer to as its will to live). On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 6:50 PM, bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pall, What's happens when you run exist.pl? I don't know anything about programming, but the recent exchange of ideas around your code has been the highlight for me since joining the list. Best has been the palpable shared sense of excitement in exploring a perceived 'state of being' and trying to give expression to it with new tools. Respect to all in the thread - brilliant net behaviour! Cheers, Bob - Original Message From: Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2008 2:24:37 PM ps. Just out of curiosity. Has anyone actually tried running exist.pl on their own computer? It should run on any Mac OS X or Linux computer (or any *nix variation). I'd be interested in hearing what people think. For those unfamiliar with Perl scripts, simply copy and paste the code into a text file and title it exist.pl Then open a terminal window, cd to the folder where you saved it and type 'perl exist.pl' Pall Rob Myers wrote: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:44 PM, james jwm-art net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a quick thought: how about a client/server model? so there could be several components communicating with each other? Or peer-to-peer, for a more equal society. ;-) - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo!http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl
Hi Bob,It's not a virus that you can't get rid of. It will only recreate itself if you delete it while it's running. If you delete it while it's not running, it's gone. And even if you delete it while it's running, it recreates itself and then stops running. Its not volatile in any way at all and it's incapable of running itself. To run, it needs to be started by a user with the correct command. On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:19 PM, bob catchpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Pall. I haven't found the courage to run it because your description sounds a bit like a virus that I may never be able to get rid of!!... - Original Message From: Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 25 July, 2008 9:06:01 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] New developments - On Being/exist.pl Well, on the screen you don't see anything happen (that's why I warned jwm not to be disappointed). Once you give the command, it starts running so it drops from the command prompt but doesn't give you another because it's going through a consistent loop that is maintained by the existence of the exist.pl file. So as long as it exists in the same location, it just keeps looping but as I say, outwardly it doesn't appear to be doing anything. That's where the importance of the code comes in, if you look at the code (and I've included comments that explain to some degree what's going on, anything following a # is an explanatory comment that isn't executed as code), you can see that there is actually a lot going on. Within the loop (indicated with the while function) it continuously checks if the file is still there, whether the program is in fact running (which is sort of funny because it wouldn't be able to check if it weren't running), whether there are other programs running on the computer and if there are, it locates itself within the whole group of programs running on the same computer. It doesn't actually do anything with the information it gathers. It just keeps checking over and over again if the information is still there. If you try running it, it will exit if you delete the file, but not before recreating itself. So it will stop, but you can start it running right away again because the file you deleted will have magically re-appeared (that's what I refer to as its will to live). -- Not happy with your email address? Get the one you really want http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo!http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Screen resolution in Ubuntu
Hi Marc,This means that Ubuntu isn't recognizing the hardware. There's really no simple way of fixing this. You have to figure out what is the correct driver and manually configure everything around that. If you know exactly what your video card is you could try doing this: mess up your xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/ (Should probably make a backup first). You'll have to sudo to make changes to it. It's probably even ok to delete it, it should fall back on a xorg.conf.failsafe file if something goes wrong. Then reboot your computer and it should tell you that it can't display properly based on /etc/X11/xorg.conf and provides you with a graphic interface for selecting your video card, driver, properties, etc. Who knows, might work. Pall On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'm having a problem with my laptop. Recently bought a Laptop from novatech. Loaded Linux - Ubuntu onto it - everything works a dream except for the resolution itself. The resolution is limited to either 800m x 600 61 Hz, or 640 x 480 60 Hz. I need the resolution to be 1280 x 800, or similar at least. Now, I have been to various forums, but nothing seems to work. I have also contacted the makers of the Laptop as well, still waiting for their reply. Now - if anyone has some straight forward suggestions that are clear for someone who simply wants to copy and paste code, rather then spend hours inside the depths of their comp, due to being pretty busy - that would be helpful ;-) Hopefully any suggestions will help others as well. marc ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Screen resolution in Ubuntu
If, for your recycling project, you're planning on using older laptops there's a better chance that Ubuntu will properly identify the hardware. Older hardware has had more time to get properly integrated into Linux. It's usually newer hardware that gives you problems. If you plan to run Linux on a new laptop it's a good idea to check if the hardware already supported. I've loaded Linux on to a lot of old laptops and very seldom run into major problems other than sleep/hibernate stuff not working. On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:55 PM, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pall, Yes, all what you say is definitely what I am dealing with. I am currently waiting for the computer suppliers themselves to come up with something useful - nothing from them for 12 hrs though. It seems that this is not an unusual problem for laptops/ubuntu style. There are solutions but quite dramatic ones, I will pursue this a little while longer for about a week maximum and if it does not work, another linux/OS will have to be used. it should fall back on a xorg.conf.failsafe file if something goes wrong. I've done this - but I am beginning to suspect that it really comes down to the spec of the comp-makers. One of the reasons that I chose Ubuntu, was because we wanted to offer recycled/free laptops to kids locally with free (non proprietorial) operating systems from our furtherfield/HTTP space in London. I also wanted upload pure:dyne on them as well, they things are going it's going to be a rather painful summer... Much thanks for your suggestions, I will attempt them :-) marc Hi Marc, This means that Ubuntu isn't recognizing the hardware. There's really no simple way of fixing this. You have to figure out what is the correct driver and manually configure everything around that. If you know exactly what your video card is you could try doing this: mess up your xorg.conf file in /etc/X11/ (Should probably make a backup first). You'll have to sudo to make changes to it. It's probably even ok to delete it, it should fall back on a xorg.conf.failsafe file if something goes wrong. Then reboot your computer and it should tell you that it can't display properly based on /etc/X11/xorg.conf and provides you with a graphic interface for selecting your video card, driver, properties, etc. Who knows, might work. Pall On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 11:58 AM, marc garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, I'm having a problem with my laptop. Recently bought a Laptop from novatech. Loaded Linux - Ubuntu onto it - everything works a dream except for the resolution itself. The resolution is limited to either 800m x 600 61 Hz, or 640 x 480 60 Hz. I need the resolution to be 1280 x 800, or similar at least. Now, I have been to various forums, but nothing seems to work. I have also contacted the makers of the Laptop as well, still waiting for their reply. Now - if anyone has some straight forward suggestions that are clear for someone who simply wants to copy and paste code, rather then spend hours inside the depths of their comp, due to being pretty busy - that would be helpful ;-) Hopefully any suggestions will help others as well. marc ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] New developments-On Being/exist.pl
exist.pl now listens for possible communication attempts from others. While exist.pl is running, it is possible to telnet to the process, either remotely or locally on tcp port 8181 and send it a message. Upon receiving the message exist.pl will terminate the connection as it thinks about what was said. This latest revision has been updated at the projects home at: http://code.google.com/p/existpl Pall -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] here is the source-code for the new version of exist.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Cwd qw(realpath);
use IO::Socket;
# exist.pl is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# exist.pl is distributed in the hope that it will be enlightening,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# ENLIGHTENMENT, MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
# See the GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/.
### exist.pl ###
my %awareness; # foundation for self-awareness
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'} = realpath($0); #
self-awareness of own presence
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'state_of_being'} = $$; # self-awareness
of existing as a functional being
# Open up a tcp socket on port 8181 so that other processes can
communicate with me
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'communicator'} =
IO::Socket::INET-new(Proto = 'tcp',
LocalPort = '8181',
Listen = SOMAXCONN,
Reuse = 1,
Timeout = .1);
# examination of inner qualities
open(FILE, $awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'});
my @my_self = FILE;
close(FILE);
while(-e $awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'}){
if($awareness{'my_existence'}-{'state_of_being'}){
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'state_of_being'} = $$; #
redetermine existence as functional being
($irrelevant,
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'to_my_environment'}) =
`ps p $$`; # discover how my environment sees me
my @all_beings = `ps axo pid,tt,stat,time,command`; #
check on the existence of other functional beings in my environment
shift(@all_beings);
my $count = 0;
foreach(@all_beings){
if($awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'to_my_environment'} eq
$_){
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'to_others'}-{'my_position'}
= $count; # note my occurrence within the scope of everything
}else{
$awareness{'other_beings'}-{'being'.$count} = $_; # note the
occurrence of other beings within the scope of everything
}
$count++;
}
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'to_others'}-{'total_beings'}
= $count; # note the abundance of beings within my environment
}else{
last; # if I can't reconfirm my location go into
life-sustaining panic mode
}
# Check if anyone is waiting to communicate with me
while($other_being =
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'communicator'}-accept()){
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'contact'}-{'said_to_me'}
= $other_being;
}
close $other_being;
}
### life-sustaining panic mode/desire to live
open(FILE, $awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'}); # attempt to
re-create myself
print FILE @my_self; # restore my inner qualities
close(FILE);
### pass out and await revival
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[NetBehaviour] exist.pl and communication, what next?
(ps. I'm now posting these to both Rhizome and Netbehaviour. My apologies to anyone who receives them twice.) The latest revision to exist.pl has opened a whole new can of beans. Since it is now capable of receiving communication from other processes it will inevitably have to respond and that's the tricky part. How does a process that is just beginning to experiment with an awareness of anything at all, respond to anything at all? It makes no attempt to understand the message being conveyed or even who it's coming from. It would be great to get some feedback on this. Of course, my first inclination is to just have it respond to anything with a full dump of its entire awareness. Well, no. My first inclination was to have it respond to anything by outputting the full path to the file (its existence) and its process ID (its state of being) but when you think about it, there's really nothing to indicate to exist.pl that those two bits of information would mean anything to anyone else. Pall -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] exist.pl and communication, what next?
clemos wrote: Hi Pall It would be logical to me that your program respond its own source code. It can be seen as a way to express itself, and probably be misunderstood, but also to survive by duplicating itself. That's a good point. I like it and I've now incorporated it but haven't checked it into the Google code repository. I'll let everyone know when I have. Actually, I still don't really get why it just recreates itself in the end as a way to survive, because a better survival method would be to spread like a virus. I think duplication and awareness of its multiplicity could bring good perspectives to your experiment, while still keeping the simple essence approach. Ah you know, these things are always crystal clear when you're not sitting in front of a computer. For instance when I'm waiting for the bus in the morning, I've got it all figured out. But give me a few minutes and let me try to recall... Ok (now I remember), effectively the program shouldn't be able to do anything about dying. It could attempt to avoid being killed by capturing signals as Rob had suggested, but if something has already killed it or voided its existence (deleted the file), in human terms it shouldn't be able to do anything about it. However, it's not human and it CAN in fact recreate itself in the face of a threat to its being. It recreates itself because it can. The reason it dies after recreating itself is that the running process is no longer a product of the existing file. So the state of being has been compromised. There's no longer the same relation between the existence (the file) and the state of being (the process). It gets a bit complicated here because of the fact that a computer program such as this one can run independently of the file from which it was started. In our case, although some like to believe otherwise, you can't maintain a state of being if someone removes your physical body. The viral issue is a touchy one. Not a decision to be taken lightly. Thanks a lot for the comments. They really help. best, Pall Clément On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:36 PM, Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (ps. I'm now posting these to both Rhizome and Netbehaviour. My apologies to anyone who receives them twice.) The latest revision to exist.pl has opened a whole new can of beans. Since it is now capable of receiving communication from other processes it will inevitably have to respond and that's the tricky part. How does a process that is just beginning to experiment with an awareness of anything at all, respond to anything at all? It makes no attempt to understand the message being conveyed or even who it's coming from. It would be great to get some feedback on this. Of course, my first inclination is to just have it respond to anything with a full dump of its entire awareness. Well, no. My first inclination was to have it respond to anything by outputting the full path to the file (its existence) and its process ID (its state of being) but when you think about it, there's really nothing to indicate to exist.pl that those two bits of information would mean anything to anyone else. Pall -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] exist.pl / wrong source upload and remote access
my inner qualities close(FILE); ### pass out and await revival -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Pikslaverk2008 - Pixelache in Iceland - Call for proposals
New node in the Pixelache Network - Reykjavik! - - - - Pikslaverk November 6 - 9, 2008. Reykjavik, Iceland www.pikslaverk.org http://www.pikslaverk.org The Pikslaverk 2008 conference is the Icelandic component in the international network of Pixelache conferences. It is organized by Lorna (the Icelandic organization for electronic arts) in collaboration with The Icelandic Academy of the Arts and The Reykjavik Municipal Art Galleries. Through a series of lectures, presentations and performances, this year's conference will continue Helsinki's theme on education and act as a precursor to Bergen's them on Free, Libre and Open Source Software by focussing on artists' use of computer programming code to create works of art. Invited and selected guests will present a variety of views regarding issues relating to artistic applications of computer programming code. Amongst the questions that will be explored are: * Can we view computer programming code as a distinct artistic medium and if so, what are the conceptual and aesthetic implications? * Does it matter whether or not artists do their own programming or hire professional programmers to do it? * Can the open-sourcing of artistic code aid in the long-term preservation of this type of artwork? Call for Participants is open, deadline 30 September 2008! (Participants who would like to apply for funding to cover their travel costs should send in their applications ASAP) More information: www.pikslaverk.org http://www.pikslaverk.org - - - - OFFICIAL CALL FOR PROPOSALS: Lorna is now accepting submissions to Pikslaverk 2008. Please read the festival description well to determine whether or not your submission fits into the scope of the festival. What we are especially interested in are work or papers that examine the roll of code within computer programmed art. Whether you feel that code means everything, is the *essence* of the work or that code adds nothing, is simply a tool, nothing more, we would like to hear from you. Send your submissions to Pall Thayer at pallith*AT*mbl*DOT*is. Submissions should include the following information: * In the case of work include a brief description, link and/or up to 5 images (JPEG or PNG). Also explain how you think the work fits into the scope of the festival. * In the case of papers/presentations include a brief abstract. * All submissions should include the names of those involved, i.e. collaborators, co-authors, etc. and a bio/CV or a link to one online. * Include contact information, i.e. Name, address, email. Please send only PDF, ODT or DOC (DOCX files are unacceptable) for text files and JPG or PNG for images. Participants who present or show work should be prepared to share any relevant source-code. That's what it's all about, people. Pikslaverk will pay accepted artists and speakers a small fee but we cannot cover travel costs and lodging. We can however assist selected practitioners in finding funding to cover these costs. We would especially encourage people from nordic countries to apply. The official deadline for submissions is September 30, 2008. But we will do our best to accomodate those who may need to reach travel-grant applications before that time, such as the KKNord Mobility grants where the deadline is September 3, 2008. SO PLEASE GET YOUR APPLICATIONS IN ASAP! ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] New upgrade to exist.pl
Hi everyone. I've just released an upgraded version of exist.pl
In case anyone has forgotten, exist.pl is a program developed around the
idea of a program conducting an introspective, metaphysical and
ontological examination of existence as it pertains to a program running
on a computer.
The development site is at http://code.google.com/p/existpl There you
can find archived versions of the different releases of the software as
development has carried it from being a more or less empty infinite loop
to a program that continuously monitors its environment and its position
in that environment. The last version that was released (prior to this
latest one) introduced a whole new can of beans. The program now listens
on port 8181 for communication responding to all communication in the
same way, by reproducing it's own source code. You can try communicating
with it either at http://pallit.lhi.is:8181 or via telnet (telnet
pallit.lhi.is 8181) which provides you with more control over the
message you send to the program.
What this latest release adds to the program is that now, instead of any
new messages replacing the last received message, it collects all of
them. Lately I've been thinking about the term Machine Intelligence. I
this term more than Artificial Intelligence as I've always found the
idea of calling anything artificial a bit problematic. Take for
instance artificial food coloring. The food coloring isn't artificial,
it's real color. Perhaps it would be more correct to call it
Alternative source color. So likewise, how can intelligence be
artificial? It either is intelligence or it isn't. Anyway, Machine
Intelligence. What I think is particularly interesting about this term
is that it suggests a different type of intelligence than human
intelligence. Just like we can say that animals have their own type of
intelligence that differs from human intelligence. We wouldn't say that
monkeys are dumb, just that they have a different sort of intelligence
than we do and we don't necessarily understand that intelligence because
it differs from our own. It's also similar to one of the criticisms of
tests of human intelligence. A brilliant car mechanic might not be able
to solve complex mathematical equations (which we tend to see as a sign
of intelligence) but what he can do to a car engine far surpasses that
which the most accomplished mathematicians can do to a car engine. So
the mechanic might not do well on some types of intelligence tests but
he still has a high level of intelligence in another area that is
perhaps not well understood by those who create the tests. So how do
we know when a machine exhibits intelligence? I don't know but I'm just
going to keep feeding my program new and more complex information and
see if anything happens. For posterity I'm including here the full
source-code to this latest release of exist.pl
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Cwd qw(realpath);
use IO::Socket;
=pod
LICENSE
exist.pl is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify it
under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the
Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your
option) any later version.
exist.pl is distributed in the hope that it will be enlightening, but
WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
ENLIGHTENMENT, MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See
the GNU General Public License for more details.
You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along
with this program. If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/.
=cut
### exist.pl ###
my %awareness; # foundation for self-awareness
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'} = realpath($0); #
self-awareness of own presence
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'state_of_being'} = $$; # self-awareness of
existing as a functional being
# Open up a tcp socket on port 8181 so that other processes can
communicate with me
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'communicator'} =
IO::Socket::INET-new( Proto = 'tcp',
LocalPort = '8181',
Listen = SOMAXCONN,
Reuse = 1,
Timeout = .5);
# examination of inner qualities
open(FILE, $awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'});
my @my_self = FILE;
close(FILE);
while(-e $awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'}){
if($awareness{'my_existence'}-{'state_of_being'}){
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'state_of_being'} = $$; # redetermine
existence as functional being
($irrelevant,
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'to_my_environment'}) = `ps
p $$`; # discover how my environment sees me
my @all_beings = `ps axo pid,tt,stat,time,command`; # check on the
existence of other functional beings in my environment
shift(@all_beings);
my $count = 0;
foreach(@all_beings){
if($awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'to_my_environment'} eq $_){
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'to_others'}-{'my_position'}
= $count; # note my occurrence within the scope of everything
}else{
[NetBehaviour] Yes... another new version
; # respond with own source code
print $other_being Dumper %awareness;
}
close $other_being; # close connection, I have nothing more to say
}
### life-sustaining panic mode/desire to live
open(FILE, $awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'}); # attempt to
re-create myself
print FILE @my_self; # restore my inner qualities
close(FILE);
### pass out and await revival
best regards,
Pall Thayer
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Yes... another new version
Hi Clément,
For the simple reason that I'm already running a webserver on port 80
and 8181 is another common port to run a webserver on. I'm hoping that
it will attract, for instance, Google's indexing bots and the
program's knowledge will be indexed in Google's searches. I don't
know why, I just think it's sort of interesting. exist.pl is sort of a
low-tech attempt at AI that is more likely than naught destined to
fail, Google's indexing, on the other hand, attempts very high level
AI. So what might this high-level AI make of this low-level AI. Will
the high-level AI recognize that there's this program out there
attempting a philosophical understanding of what it means to exist as
running software? Perhaps Google's indexing bots will be smitten by
this and begin a more philosophical analysis of the material that it's
indexing. Who knows? You know, everyone, if you spread the link to
exist.pl's communications socket around the web, Google's bot's are
going to hit it more frequently. So if you have nothing better to add
to your blog/twitter/delicious bookmarks, how about adding
http://pallit.lhi.is:8181/something
best r.
Pall
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 3:34 PM, clemos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I wonder something. Why 8181 ?
+
Clément
On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 2:11 AM, Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When you get back into the swing of things it just comes pouring out,
eh? Well, I have yet another new version of exist.pl out. This is a
pretty major upgrade. It adds something that wasn't necessarily
supposed to happen in this project. I've decided that instead of it
responding with it's source-code it should respond with a full dump
out of everything it knows. So that is what it does now. You get to
see how it is aware of all other processes running on the same
computer, where it locates itself in that group. How it monitors its
process ID as a way of reconfirming its 'state of being' and how it's
aware of it's physical existence as a file within a filesystem on a
computer's hard drive. As I mentioned in the last revision, comments
sent to it over it's open tcp socket will now accumulate, identified
only by the time they were received. This is what will be interesting
to monitor. Will this new influx of an awareness of intelligent beings
in the outer world cause something unexpected to happen within the
program. Who knows? I'd really like to hear some comments from people
about this. It almost feels like I'm cheating. Remember, it was
supposed to be an introspective exploration. I feel like I've sort
of violated that by creating the possibility of peering into the
program's mind.
I copy of the new revision is running on my server. Here's what you
can do to interact:
using a web browser: the url is http://pallit.lhi.is:8181 visiting
this link will only send a GET / HTTP/1.1 message. If you want to
include a custom message make the url something like this:
http://pallit.lhi.is:8181/message to send here
The other way to connect is through telnet. If you're using a Mac, you
have a telnet client. Open a Terminal window and type:
telnet pallit.lhi.is 8181
and hit return. You will see a prompt. Type in your message and hit
return. The program will receive your message, send its response and
close the connection.
Or you can take the source-code and play around with it and maybe turn
it into something entirely different. Or print it onto fabric and make
a shirt or skirt out of it. Send it to one of those places that will
print custom text on toilet paper for you. It's all up to you. Here is
the latest source:
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Cwd qw(realpath);
use Data::Dumper;
use IO::Socket;
=pod
LICENSE
exist.pl is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify it
under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the
Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or (at your
option) any later version.
exist.pl is distributed in the hope that it will be enlightening, but
WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
ENLIGHTENMENT, MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
See the GNU General Public License for more details.
You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
along with this program. If not, see http://www.gnu.org/licenses/.
=cut
### exist.pl ###
my %awareness; # foundation for self-awareness
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'} = realpath($0); #
self-awareness of own presence
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'state_of_being'} = $$; # self-awareness
of existing as a functional being
# Open up a tcp socket on port 8181 so that other processes can
communicate with me
$awareness{'my_existence'}-{'relations'}-{'communicator'} =
IO::Socket::INET-new( Proto = 'tcp',
LocalPort = '8181',
Listen = SOMAXCONN,
Reuse = 1,
Timeout = .5);
# examination of inner qualities
open(FILE, $awareness{'my_existence'}-{'location'});
my @my_self = FILE;
close(FILE
Re: [NetBehaviour] powerfulart
Banksy or Bank-rupt-sy? The difference in property value and aesthetic value is the ratio that creates the worth of a Banksy. So as the value of the wall it is attached to falls, the value of the Banksy will actually rise. I'm not sure what will happen if the value of the wall goes negative, possibly the universe will implode. It's also interesting to note that this works differently the other way around. If the value of the Banksy falls, then so does the value of the wall. Ah but wait, I think we have a paradox. Since the wall's value is falling due to the falling value of the Banksy, then the Banksy will rise in value due to the falling value of the wall but since the Banksy is no longer falling the value of the wall will stop falling allowing the Banksy to continue falling bringing the wall's value down with it however since the value of the wall is again falling the Banksy must rise... Pall - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Selling software art
I've got some work for sale. Here's the long and short of it. I'm going to be exhibiting a piece of mine called Exist.pl (some of you may remember it as it was developed via discussions here on the list as well as other lists) at the MakeArt festival in France in a couple of weeks. The work will also be exhibited as part of the Piksel festival in Bergen, Norway. Here in Iceland we have what's called The Center for Icelandic Art. Their job is to provide financial assistance to artists taking their work abroad. They're the only source for travel grants for short trips like this one. I applied, I got rejected (with no explanation of why), I have this nagging feeling that they don't get this type of art. So what I would like to do now, is to sell copies of this work to get some funds towards the trip (I had already bought flight tickets before I got rejected). The work consists of a piece of software running on a computer. It doesn't produce any output but it's doing a lot of background work. So to provide the viewer with some information on what's going on, four A2 sized posters, displaying the source code at various stages of the softwares development, will be displayed. The software itself is free under the GPL license and lives at http://code.google.com/p/existpl But I have for sale a limited edition of twenty sets of these posters. I'll only sell them in sets. There are four posters in the set. These are signed and numbered, high quality color prints suitable for framing. Ideally, they would be displayed in a row on a wall with a computer nearby to run the software when the owner chooses (but this entirely up to the purchaser of the work). You can see a small version of what they look like at the following URLs: http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code1.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code2.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code3.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code4.pdf The price is $50 per set. If I manage to sell all twenty sets, this will provide enough to cover printing and mailing costs, with the remainder being approximately what I applied for from The Center for Icelandic Art. On top of being colorful and thought provoking, they create an interesting visual pattern when lined up together. Please contact me offlist if you're interested. Pall Thayer -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] dizzler?
I would say it's pretty obvious that they know they're walking a tight- rope between right and wrong. Otherwise they wouldn't go to such great lengths to explain why it's not wrong. This might not be piracy according to strict legal definitions but it's unquestionable immoral to present someone elses work with no real reference to the owner of that work. Sure, they publish your server's name but they make sure not to provide any means for you to easily go there. Oh. I tried searching for something other than your stuff and they don't necessarily display the source URL. These are bad bad people and they know it. If someone truly challenges them to a legal battle, I don't think they'll survive. Pall On Nov 17, 2008, at 12:34 PM, james of jwm-art net wrote: Hi, Is anybody familar with dizzler.com? I've noticed it mentioned in my website's logs several times and thought I'd find out what it's about. Firstly a google search 'site:http://dizzler.com jwm' returns nothing, but on visiting the site, dizzler's inbuilt search returns six of my audio tracks. Naturally I wonder how these got there. It turns out dizzler.com is, more or less, a search engine. It's position is interesting, on the one hand it mentions (briefly) it's software is copyright and patent protected, but on the other (their philosophy): * We believe that Intellectual property law should not serve as a brake on technological innovation. * We believe that no one should arbitrarily limit or restrict the access to content in the public domain. * We believe that Dizzler is expanding the way people use the information on the public Internet. * We believe copyright holders must face the new realities of the digital age by adopting a looser interpretation of how their content is used, sampled” or licensed. Dizzler is ready to work with them in negotiating this new world. Also interesting is the fact 'dizzler' cannot tell if material it finds is copyrighted or not, and they can present it until given a takedown notice, plus there is the 'framing' clause which allows them to present something provided it's not 'copied' to their server. http://www.dizzler.com/public/about I'm not sure how grateful I am that my material appears there. I've not had time to wait for the flash widgets to download (via dialup) and to see what happens, but: This encryption prevents Dizzler users from accessing the actual paths to content in order to thwart inappropriate downloading, copying or sharing of files. or in reality prevent users from actually visiting the real website providing the content. Just wondered what other's might think to this? Kind of exploitative I think... ? James. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art
Do keep in mind though that the only reason I got the idea to do this was that I didn't receive the government funding that I expected to receive. And they still haven't told me why the @%#'s! On Nov 18, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Simon Biggs wrote: I think that makes you a quantum artist! Is that a first? Or are all artists quantum? Can we have quantum art objects (both commodities and not commodities)? Regards Simon On 18/11/08 14:42, Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just don't ask me to explain what I mean. Sometimes you just have to be on both sides of the fence at the same time. Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art
Now that I have some time I'm going to offer some explanations for my actions. It's not that I feel any specific need to defend them but I find this conversation quite interesting and I think that some of the points I have to mention are quite relevant. First of all, one of the ideas behind this piece, was to produce a thoughtful and conceptual work of art that can not be fully understood without reviewing the underlying code. Attempting to do so would be analogous to judging a book by its cover alone. Therefore the plan was always to exhibit it along with the source code. I'm not saying that the source code is the art. But it does contain a detailed, albeit cryptic, explanation of what the work is about and the artist's (that's me) take on the issues. Also, in presenting the source code at different stages of development, it describes how these issues evolved throughout the production of the work. The software itself is free and open. Anyone can download it and run it on their own computer. They can even retrieve the source code at all of its various stages. They can print it out and make their own posters. But lets consider a couple of things. The way I see it, the work is complete when you have the posters, the software running on a computer and at least one person to regard the whole. Once you have those three elements together, the art is happening. I'm as arrogant as any artist and like to think that my art is important and feel that it should live forever. If we break apart the three elements I mentioned then, on its own, only one of those will make it possible to recreate the full piece as long as humans are around to experience it. That is the code and in our current world what would make people want to save and protect that element for future generations to enjoy is it's financial worth. So yes, you can download the source code and print it out but what's your incentive for hanging on to it? If you paid for it, you might think twice before throwing it out because it doesn't match your new furniture. The posters are the only element of the work that can be archived and my signature on them makes them authorized. So, an art object? I don't know. A commodity? Yes, definitely. I'm sure that 20 years from now, perhaps sooner, the software will no longer run on whatever sort of computing equipment will be around then. But the source code is such an exact documentation of what the software did that it can easily be used as a sort of map to re-create the work, essentially immortalizing... me, I mean... it. Pall Thayer On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Vijay Pattisapu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: museums (in the institutional form predating the Anglophonic notion of gallery) should be free. Such socially specific notions Interesting. How is gallery (the concept, word, or both) Anglophonic? I thought gallery, historically, referred to any kind of porch or open area, and, since art would typically be displayed in such an area ... (Etymologically it comes from Old French via the Italian galleria 'gallery,' which at one time also meant simply 'church porch,' from medieval Latin galeria, which some say is an alteration of galilea (like Galilee). Hm.) Also, I don't know anything about the history of the museum/gallery, and if any Netbehaviourists could refer me to any decent histories/historians here, I'd appreciate it! Thanks, Vijay 2008/11/18 benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: it does, generally. such wide spread adhesion to the bourgeois idea that museums (in the institutional form predating the Anglophonic notion of gallery) should be free. Such socially specific notions have rarely been adopted by the theatric arts. On 18 Nov 2008, at 15:12, bob catchpole wrote: That's the most honest comment so far... and gets right to the heart of the conundrum. Bob From: Pall Thayer Tuesday, 18 November, 2008 15:42:19 sometimes it would be nice to get something back. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Cell: (469)877-9166 Fax: (928)833-9166 P.O. Box 140414 Irving, TX 75014-0414 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art
I would say that in the case of mass-produced items, then yes, it's a commodity if there's demand. But in the case of art, it's a commodity if there's a price. Pall On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:22 PM, Karl Heinz Jeron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its not a commodity unless there is demand. Depending on how you look at things/commodities/art they might appear different. And keep in mind you only see what you know. Simon Biggs schrieb: What makes an object art? It is clear that these objects are destined to be commodities. Can an art object be a commodity? Can commodities be art objects and remain commodities? Is Duchamps Fountain still a urinal? I seem to remember somebody testing this hypothesis. Regards Simon On 18/11/08 13:33, patrick simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are these art objects?! patrick On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Pall Thayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got some work for sale. Here's the long and short of it. I'm going to be exhibiting a piece of mine called Exist.pl (some of you may remember it as it was developed via discussions here on the list as well as other lists) at the MakeArt festival in France in a couple of weeks. The work will also be exhibited as part of the Piksel festival in Bergen, Norway. Here in Iceland we have what's called The Center for Icelandic Art. Their job is to provide financial assistance to artists taking their work abroad. They're the only source for travel grants for short trips like this one. I applied, I got rejected (with no explanation of why), I have this nagging feeling that they don't get this type of art. So what I would like to do now, is to sell copies of this work to get some funds towards the trip (I had already bought flight tickets before I got rejected). The work consists of a piece of software running on a computer. It doesn't produce any output but it's doing a lot of background work. So to provide the viewer with some information on what's going on, four A2 sized posters, displaying the source code at various stages of the softwares development, will be displayed. The software itself is free under the GPL license and lives at http://code.google.com/p/existpl But I have for sale a limited edition of twenty sets of these posters. I'll only sell them in sets. There are four posters in the set. These are signed and numbered, high quality color prints suitable for framing. Ideally, they would be displayed in a row on a wall with a computer nearby to run the software when the owner chooses (but this entirely up to the purchaser of the work). You can see a small version of what they look like at the following URLs: http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code1.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code1.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code1.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code2.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code2.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code2.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code3.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code3.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code3.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code4.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code4.pdf http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code4.pdf The price is $50 per set. If I manage to sell all twenty sets, this will provide enough to cover printing and mailing costs, with the remainder being approximately what I applied for from The Center for Icelandic Art. On top of being colorful and thought provoking, they create an interesting visual pattern when lined up together. Please contact me offlist if you're interested. Pall Thayer -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number
Re: [NetBehaviour] Is it just me?
I greeted the new year with skepticism but then I received a new years greeting containing nothing but this link: https://narrativemagazine.com/files/StroudJoseph_AgainstSurrealism_FINAL.pdf Pall On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 4:55 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Simon, By nature, I am an optimist - but the bad being normal thing, is not killing people its killing us all in so many other ways... sorry for being miserable today, i'll get myself a coffee some sweets ;-) marc It is going to be a mixed year. Good (Obama) and bad (the economy, Gaza, etc). On balance bad seems to exceed good – but that's normal. Regards Simon On 4/1/09 16:35, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Netbehaviourists, Is it just me, or were there others out there who found it extremely hard to feel positive about the New Year, an failed to celebrate? marc ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.biggs@ eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk www. eca .ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] David Cerny's Entropa
I'm sure most of you have heard about the artwork that was to be unveiled at the EU Council building in Europe today. For those who haven't here's the gist of it (links with more detailed info in the text). It's the Czech Republic's turn to take over the EU presidency this year. To commemorate this occasion they decided to commission a work of art that would represent all 27 of the EU member nations. The project was to be guided by David Cerny, the Czech artist who's claims to fame include painting a Russian tank pink and submerging Saddam Hussein in a tank of formaldehyde ( http://www.artnewsblog.com/2007/06/david-cernys-saddam-hussein.htm ). Cerny produced a list of 27 artists, one from each member nation, showing how each one intended to depict their country in the piece to be titled Entropa. ( http://www.eu2009.cz/scripts/file.php?id=8282down=yes ) Get it while it's still there. The work has now been mounted in its intended location. It consists of a large framework, like the frames that you snap pieces of a model out of, containing the proposed depictions of each country. However, it appears that all paperwork was passed through without anyone actually reading any of it. For instance, Bulgaria appears as a collection of Turkish toilets. Keep in mind that this work is huge and it's already been mounted. It turns out that Cerny faked all of the documents and names of artists to be involved. The whole thing was created by him and a couple of friends. Let's see what they do next. Among other things, the official text announcing the unveiling of Entropa contains this little tidbit, ...we gave the 27 artists the same opportunity to express themselves freely, as a proof that in today´s Europe there is no place for censorship... The official announcement is available at http://www.eu2009.cz/en/news-and-documents/news/entropa:-stereotypes-are-barriers-to-be-demolished-5634/ -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] inaugurationanimation
I made a video. It's a simple affair, no sound. If anyone wants to mess around with it, chop it up, add some sound, whatever, feel free. The entire process of creating this was automated using open-source tools (except for the win32codecs I needed to install). The video can be seen here: http://vimeo.com/2917641 -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] inaugurationanimation
Hi Renee, Thanks for the comments. I'm quite happy with it myself. It was captured from CSPAN's live feed and I was hoping to release it earlier to keep it within a sort of real-time essence of the moment but the automated process wasn't without hitches. At least now I have everything worked out. I really like the lack of sound too. I guess for me, because most of my work has involved specific audio elements, anytime I make something without sound the silence becomes that much more pronounced. The slowing down of the video makes for an interesting effect too (it was a fortunate accident). Think of it as a moving painting. best r. Pall On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Renee Turner geu...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi Pall, That's beautiful...and actually, the silence is amazingly powerful and moving. Because I've been so immersed in this media event, the piece feels like an after image. My mind saturates the gaps with the legacy of immediate memory. best, Renee http://www.fudgethefacts.com/ http://www.geuzen.org/ On Jan 22, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Pall Thayer wrote: I made a video. It's a simple affair, no sound. If anyone wants to mess around with it, chop it up, add some sound, whatever, feel free. The entire process of creating this was automated using open-source tools (except for the win32codecs I needed to install). The video can be seen here: http://vimeo.com/2917641 -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Inaugurationanimation
Hi Edward, Thanks for the comments. I like your description so much that I'm going to try not to ruin it by explaining *everything*. That being said, no, the scenes you describe were not done that way on purpose. The whole thing was done with automated processes that I've developed over the past few years. So, although I usually have a pretty good idea of what everything is going to look like, I don't apply specific effects to specific scenes or images. But the idea is to achieve a sort of painterly quality and in this case it has certain implications. Historically we tend to attach ideas of monumentality to that which is painted or sculpted more so than photographs or film. We see this for instance in the tendencies of countries, towns, corporations etc. to have their leaders or prominent figures cast in a traditional artistic medium whether it's oil color, stone, metal or marble. And like the video, these are soundless monuments where the handling of the medium is meant to say all that needs to be said. I'm glad you like it. I like it too. I was very pleasantly surprised by the outcome. best r. Pall On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Edward Picot edw...@edwardpicot.com wrote: Pall - I've just watched this all the way through, and I think it's fantastic. It ought to be put on permanent display somewhere. It's got such a sense of history to it - not just the history of America and American politics, but the history of American art too - that really painterly quality which you've managed to catch. There are times when you can almost feel the pigment being pushed around with a pallette-knife, and the colours - those reddish browns, blacks and blues - have got a tremendous richness to them. The slowness of the action seems to bring out the patrician, studies aspect of the ceremony. From this side of the Atlantic, it seems to capture a real sense of the complexity of American politics: the intensely aspirational quality, the feeling that individuals can make a difference, that the human spirit is inherently noble, and that the world can be made a better place if we just make a sufficient effort - along with the intense theatricality, the self-regard, the sense that these gestures are being made with the whole world for an audience, and that if you can just get the gestures right it almost doesn't matter what you actually do. Two passages in particular struck me, and made me wonder how much you'd readjusted your original to emphasise certain aspects. The whole Aretha Franklin passage is wonderful, but it seems to me that there's a contrast between her black face and the whiteness of the Capitol which is really symbolic of something or other. And at about the forty-minute mark we get a glimpse of George W, and instead of being reddish-brown like all the others his face is grey, the colour of lead. Did you do that on purpose or did it just come out that way? - Edward Picot ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Streaming Air Traffic Control Feeds From Around The World.
interesting... On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 5:18 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Netbehaviourists, Something I found travelling the Internet :-) Listen To Live, Streaming Air Traffic Control Feeds From Around The World. http://www.liveatc.net/ wishing all well. marc ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Microcodes
I've been toying around with some new code based art that I've been
posting to the Rhizome list and want to share them here as well. The
idea is to create complete works of art that consist of a very small
body of code and a title. The concept/meaning of the work is revealed,
not strictly through the running of the code, but should rather rely
on a combination of the title, code and running process. I haven't
come up with any limits as to how many lines or anything and it
doesn't necessarily have to be perl code. Here are some samples:
The first is a diptych inspired by a post by Eric Dymond
(serial_killer and random_killer):
serial_killer
#!/usr/bin/perl
foreach(0..3){
eval{
`kill $_`;
}
}
random_killer
#!/usr/bin/perl
$process_id = int(rand(3));
eval{
`kill $process_id`;
}
Walking backwards so that I can see the destruction in my wake (don't
attempt to run this, it's dangerously volatile)
#!/usr/bin/perl
$path = '';
while(1){
`rm -rf $path`;
$path .= '../';
}
Unfolding/unglued
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Finance::Quote;
$q = Finance::Quote-new;
while(1){
%info = $q-fetch(usa, ^DJI);
print $info{'^DJI', 'price'}.\n;
sleep(5);
}
Generative
#!/usr/bin/perl
$width = `tput cols`;
foreach(5..$width){
$he = sprintf(%.$_.s, --=o);
$she = sprintf(%.int($width-$_).s, @);
print $he.$she.\n;
select(undef, undef, undef, 0.1);
print \033[2J;
}
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Microcodes
Interesting that your reaction is to wonder how you could go about
running Walking backwards... without causing irreparable damage. I
have also been thinking about pulling an old computer out of my
basement for the sole purpose of running that script as root to see
how it goes. Something that you're not allowed to run becomes really
intriguing.
The killers won't cause any major damage but you'll probably have to
reboot your computer.
best r.
Pall
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 12:22 PM, james of jwm-art net ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
Hi Pall,
Just my immediate thoughts...
I going to do a few new linux installs soon, so I might try running
Walking backwards so that I can see the destruction in my wake as
root, on the systems first - after umounting home/data partitions. I'd
like to capture the output, but there'd be a lot, so redirect it to a
file of course, but that file would get deleted too. The killers would
be nice to do this with too I think.
Alternatively you could script the setup of a chroot jail and set the
carnage off inside that, but there'd still be a similiar problem I
think. But I'm not very clued about chroot jails. Maybe if doing this
in a X terminal and video it with some desktop video grabber...
James.
On 3/3/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
I've been toying around with some new code based art that I've been
posting to the Rhizome list and want to share them here as well. The
idea is to create complete works of art that consist of a very small
body of code and a title. The concept/meaning of the work is revealed,
not strictly through the running of the code, but should rather rely
on a combination of the title, code and running process. I haven't
come up with any limits as to how many lines or anything and it
doesn't necessarily have to be perl code. Here are some samples:
The first is a diptych inspired by a post by Eric Dymond
(serial_killer and random_killer):
serial_killer
#!/usr/bin/perl
foreach(0..3){
eval{
`kill $_`;
}
}
random_killer
#!/usr/bin/perl
$process_id = int(rand(3));
eval{
`kill $process_id`;
}
Walking backwards so that I can see the destruction in my wake (don't
attempt to run this, it's dangerously volatile)
#!/usr/bin/perl
$path = '';
while(1){
`rm -rf $path`;
$path .= '../';
}
Unfolding/unglued
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Finance::Quote;
$q = Finance::Quote-new;
while(1){
%info = $q-fetch(usa, ^DJI);
print $info{'^DJI', 'price'}.\n;
sleep(5);
}
Generative
#!/usr/bin/perl
$width = `tput cols`;
foreach(5..$width){
$he = sprintf(%.$_.s, --=o);
$she = sprintf(%.int($width-$_).s, @);
print $he.$she.\n;
select(undef, undef, undef, 0.1);
print \033[2J;
}
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[NetBehaviour] Thickening time (microcode)
#!/usr/bin/perl
$count = 0;
while(1){
foreach(0..$count){
$back = ../ x $_;
mkdir $back.time.$count;
chdir time.$_;
}
$count++;
}
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[NetBehaviour] Microcodes website
I've created a website for my Microcodes at http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes I'll be updating the site as frequently as necessary. -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Microcodes RSS feed
I've set up an RSS feed for the Microcodes website. Now your computer can keep you up to date and make sure you don't miss anything. http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/rss.php -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Microcodes HowTo
I've been getting some emails asking how to run the Microcodes at http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes Most people who don't know how are surprised to learn that they have everything they need already installed. Anyway, I've created a short HowTo at http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/howto.html -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Invitation to contribute modified Microcodes
As most readers of the list know, I've been experimenting with what I choose to call Microcodes lately. Yesterday, a friend of mine showed me his versions of a couple of my codes. I thought it was a great idea so now I've made it possible for people to upload their own modified versions of my original codes. You can also, of course, view other people's mods. http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] meeting space?
Gobby (http://gobby.0x539.de/trac/) is open source and lets you do real time collaborative text editing but it's not an office-like thing. It's meant for code editing. Why not just use Google Docs? Pall On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hiya, does anyone know of and/or use a FLOSS equivalent of the package of tools found in Windows Meeting Space? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Meeting_Space For that matter does anyone use Windows Meeting Space? :) Ruth ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Server stuff - Netbehaviour...
Hi Marc, Everything's working fine for me now. best r. Pall On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 8:56 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Hi Netbehaviourists! Today (Thursday) was a busy day of working with Steve our Server guy, on the server. We cleaned quite a few things up. - All those who could not get onto the Furtherfield web site before, should be able to now... - All those who were having problems with their mails not appearing on Netbehaviour should be ok now... After a spring clean everything seems to be working faster, sharper than ever :-) wishing all well. marc ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Twitter Mountains
Nice. Props for showing source code! best r. Pall On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 6:11 PM, info i...@x-arn.org wrote: Twitter Mountains Simple datascapes made with some twitter data. http://www.yannleguennec.com/blog/2009/03/23/twitter-mountains/ ++ --y ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Some recently added Microcodes
I believe this is what you meant - http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=16 Catching up with the temporal horizon - http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=17 The aesthetic algorithm - http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=18 Microcodes - http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes RSS Feed - http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/rss.php -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Furtherfield in Support of Ada Lovelace Day
I second the mention of N. Katherine Hayles. Pall 2009/3/24 Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk: Hi hope it is OK for the male’s of the species to propose women for Ada Lovelace day too. I would like to propose: N Katherine Hayles and Margaret Morse for their ground breaking work on digital literatures and interactive media. Vera Molnar for her pioneering work in developing expressive yet rigorous approaches to computer graphics. Steina Vasulka, Joan Jonas and Pauline Oliveros for setting artistic agendas. Kathy Rae Huffman and Anne Marie Duguet for their diverse activities, across three decades, to put new media arts and women’s practice, in this area in particular, on the agenda of museums, galleries, journals and the press. There are many others... Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Furtherfield in Support of Ada Lovelace Day
And add Christiane Paul. On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: I second the mention of N. Katherine Hayles. Pall 2009/3/24 Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk: Hi hope it is OK for the male’s of the species to propose women for Ada Lovelace day too. I would like to propose: N Katherine Hayles and Margaret Morse for their ground breaking work on digital literatures and interactive media. Vera Molnar for her pioneering work in developing expressive yet rigorous approaches to computer graphics. Steina Vasulka, Joan Jonas and Pauline Oliveros for setting artistic agendas. Kathy Rae Huffman and Anne Marie Duguet for their diverse activities, across three decades, to put new media arts and women’s practice, in this area in particular, on the agenda of museums, galleries, journals and the press. There are many others... Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Ada Lovelace
Vesna Grandes Delphine Gaborit Lisa Haskell Dianne Harris Leslie Hill Laura Henry Mia Jankowicz Janis Jefferies Shobana Jeyasingh Francoise Lamy Sophia Lycouris Pauline van Mourik Broekman Helen Paris Sarah Platt Nina Pope Hannah Redler Gini Simpson Annika Stark Nicola Triscott Claire Welsby Sheron Wray Marie X who have we forgotten ? sorryplease do add more ...:-) PS this list proves there is no shortage of women in UK for panels and keynotes ...so how come so many conferences, panels, etc still have so very few women involved .? ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- www.perrybard.net http://dziga.perrybard.net ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Active monochrome and White on white
Two new Microcodes: Active monochrome: http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=20 White on white: http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=19 Pall Thayer -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] El píxel muerto de Google Earth .
Very very nice. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:51 AM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: El píxel muerto de Google Earth. Dead Pixel in Google Earth (2008) is a work of concept art by Helmut Smits; the 82×82-centimetre square of burned grass represents one pixel from an altitude of one kilometre. http://alpoma.net/carto/?p=788 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] songs?
Nice. I especially like 6 and 12. best r. Pall On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 1:33 PM, mark cooley flawed...@yahoo.com wrote: songs to sing and dance to - well, not exactly... http://www.myspace.com/untitledonsteel ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] webby award nominations
Anyone can nominate almost anything... for a fee: http://offseason-entries.webbyawards.com/home/eligibility#fees On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:34 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: would be nice if someone bothered to nominate furtherfield for once, or don't we deserve it... marc Yep, shall do Geert On Apr 14, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Jason Nelson wrote: All, Wanted to share that I've been nominated for a Webby Award. Yes, it's in the weird category. But then I suppose that is a totally appropriate category. How does one get nominated anyway? http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2009/04/webby-award-nom.html so you know.vote. cheers, Jason ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge
Being stuck on an island in the middle of the North Atlantic makes this one a bit tough for me too. I will however promise never to sail for art as I've never found the ocean's sense of balance particularly appealing. best r. Pall Thayer On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Ruth pretty much my every breath is dedicated to trying to blag an art related trip outside Europe so I don't think I can do this one, or at least not until I've pulled that off. However I am happy to promise *never, ever* to drive anywhere in pursuit of my art... warmest wishes michael --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 6:07 PM Thanks Karen and Dimos for joining us so quickly and for setting longer pledge deadlines; ) For those who'd like to join us but have tickets already booked for art-flights before 26th April, check out the comments:- - Karen's pledge has a 10th May as its deadline http://www.pledgebank.com/wewontflyforart2 - Dimos Dimitriou has 15th May http://www.pledgebank.com/wewontflyforart3 Cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Reply-To: ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org, NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:16:35 +0100 We won't fly for art for six months but only if 6 others will do the same AND replicate this pledge by 26th April 2009 http://www.pledgebank.com/wewontflyforart - Marc and Ruth We will not take an aeroplane for the sake of art. For the next 6 months we will find other ways to visit and participate in exhibitions, fairs, conferences, meetings, residencies. We will not fly for inspiration, nor to appreciate, buy or sell art. But only if 6 others will do the same AND replicate this pledge. This pledge is designed for exponential growth so if you persuade another 6 people to do the same, within a year you could be one of millions of people changing the way the artworld works. So sign up, create a replica pledge and share your own experiences, observations and arguments towards reducing art flights. Post a link to it in the comment box so others can find their way to it. This is a public art experiment in the de-escalation of carbon-fuelled, high altitude, high-velocity, global art careering. For six months we choose to cover less physical distance, move more slowly between destinations, to look futureward with more attention to the view from the ground and the network, for ways to connect with others around the world. Who can sign up to this pledge? Any individual involved in the arts: artist (in the broadest sense), curator, art administrator, art appreciator, gallerist, art critic, art historian, art academic, art technician, art security, art transporter etc. Whether you currently fly for art 50 times a year or never, your engagement will change things by making your position in the artworld visible and by offering an alternative perspective. If you work with others you may need to completely revise your schedules and budgets and lobby for the right not to fly. This is to light the blue touch paper of Gustave Metzger's Reduce Art Flights campaign using the generative and viral capabilities of social networks. We want to know more about the impact of air-flight on the artworld (and beyond). We intuit that abstaining from air flight will motivate and enable people (with more time, money, energy and attention) to relate differently to their own local cultures and to connect more imaginatively to other cultures. Inspirations and Observations Artwork- 'Reduce Art Flights' by Gustave Metzger, reviewed here http://tinyurl.com/cnv44r Sustainable Development- Social science on the environmental impact of economic growth 'Why Politicians Dare Not Limit Economic Growth' by Tim Jackson http://tinyurl.com/6784zw Investigative Journalism - What can we do to stop climate change? Heat (2006) by George Monbiot, summarised and reviewed here http://tinyurl.com/devyax Monbiot's Guardian blog http://tinyurl.com/dcew6o Plane Stupid Campaign- 'bringing the aviation industry down to earth' http://www.planestupid.com/ More Art and Ecology Links- http://delicious.com/ruthc/ecology+art DIWOlogue- http://diwologue.net/blog/?p=38 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -Inline Attachment Follows
Re: [NetBehaviour] We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge
anymore. But I still fly about once a month, with two or three long-hauls a year. What can I do? Stop showing art? Shift my practice from installation I would assume that the shorter flights are more destructive than the long-hauls as it takes a lot more energy to put a plane in the sky than it does to keep it there. As I mentioned before, living on an island, split between tectonic plates, doesn't leave me a lot of options but when given the opportunity, I really enjoy traveling by land. I like taking trains across France or the bus from Boston to Montreal. Even the 10 hour (each way) train trip from Montreal to New York (driving takes 6 - 7 hours) was a treat. Looking out the window at the tops of the clouds gets really boring after a while. But I really do wonder how these forms of travel compare when the number of passengers is also figured into the mix. If you compare a plane from Boston to Montreal to the bus, is there really a significant difference in fossil fuel consumption when you also figure in the fact that it might take 3 or 4 buses to transport a single flight's passengers as well and all of the fuel used to maintain the roads? to online work only – to some extent I have done that already? Quit all my responsibilities that require me to be physically present somewhere else? What is the carbon footprint of using Skype? Massive server-farms probably have footprints similar to airports. Has anyone done a comparative analysis on this? Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:41:03 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge Being stuck on an island in the middle of the North Atlantic makes this one a bit tough for me too. I will however promise never to sail for art as I've never found the ocean's sense of balance particularly appealing. best r. Pall Thayer On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Michael Szpakowski szp...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Ruth pretty much my every breath is dedicated to trying to blag an art related trip outside Europe so I don't think I can do this one, or at least not until I've pulled that off. However I am happy to promise *never, ever* to drive anywhere in pursuit of my art... warmest wishes michael --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org wrote: From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 6:07 PM Thanks Karen and Dimos for joining us so quickly and for setting longer pledge deadlines; ) For those who'd like to join us but have tickets already booked for art-flights before 26th April, check out the comments:- - Karen's pledge has a 10th May as its deadline http://www.pledgebank.com/wewontflyforart2 - Dimos Dimitriou has 15th May http://www.pledgebank.com/wewontflyforart3 Cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: Ruth Catlow ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org Reply-To: ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org, NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: [NetBehaviour] We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:16:35 +0100 We won't fly for art for six months but only if 6 others will do the same AND replicate this pledge by 26th April 2009 http://www.pledgebank.com/wewontflyforart - Marc and Ruth We will not take an aeroplane for the sake of art. For the next 6 months we will find other ways to visit and participate in exhibitions, fairs, conferences, meetings, residencies. We will not fly for inspiration, nor to appreciate, buy or sell art. But only if 6 others will do the same AND replicate this pledge. This pledge is designed for exponential growth so if you persuade another 6 people to do the same, within a year you could be one of millions of people changing the way the artworld works. So sign up, create a replica pledge and share your own experiences, observations and arguments towards reducing art flights. Post a link to it in the comment box so others can find their way to it. This is a public art experiment in the de-escalation of carbon-fuelled, high altitude, high-velocity, global art careering. For six months we choose to cover less physical distance, move more slowly between destinations, to look futureward with more attention to the view from the ground and the network
[NetBehaviour] First sound-based Microcode
Since most of my work throughout the years has been heavily sound-based, I felt compelled to produce a sound-based piece in my Microcodes project. http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes best r. Pall Thayer -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Wikipedia challenges Wikipedia Art
If I recall correctly, the fair use doctrine for copyrights does not apply in the same way to trademarks. I'm pretty sure there is a fair use provision specifically for trademarks but don't remember what the difference between the two is. If this were a copyright issue it would fall pretty clearly under the fair use doctrine as it is direct criticism of Wikipedia. This might not be the case though for trademarks. Ok, I broke down and looked it up... on Wikipedia. The fair use provision for trademarks sounds a bit strange. It actually sounds to me like it's intended more for commercial criticism than non-commercial in that the point of it is to allow advertisers to compare products. So if you were running an encyclopedia and you wanted to point out that your encyclopedia is better than Wikipedia, you would be allowed to use their trademark. But how or whether it applies to wikipediaart's use of it seems unclear. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Rob Myers r...@robmyers.org wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Scott Kildall lu...@kildall.com wrote: A few weeks ago, I was sent a letter from the Wikimedia legal counsel (they run Wikipedia) which challenged the Wikipedia Art project (specifically the domain name, which I was the registrant of) on the grounds of trademark infringement since we were using the Wikipedia name in the project. This is despite the fact that the project is a non-commercial commentary of Wikipedia. Wow that is fail on their part. It's like Barbie in a Blender, only with supposed freedom-lovin' folk rather than a multinational toy company. Is there anything people can do to help? - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] An admission of guilt and new Microcode
I have a secret. I've been carrying it around with me for a couple of months now. Actually, I haven't carried it around. It's been living in a cabinet in my living room. I am now going to reveal this secret because it's gone a tad bit further than I expected it to. The conceptual artist On Kawara has 101 followers on twitter at the time of this writing. I have only 20-something. But I am On Kawara on twitter. Or rather, On Kawara on twitter is a Perl script that gets automatically run once a day on a server in a cabinet in my living room. I haven't done anything to publicize his activities on twitter. All he does is announce, I AM STILL ALIVE once a day. He doesn't follow anyone. Yet, somehow, it seeped out into the twitter community. The Perl Net::Twitter client name should be a dead give away. The interesting thing about this (and my original reason for launching it) is that it blatantly negates the whole idea behind On Kawara's I AM STILL ALIVE messages. Whereas those did indeed confirm that he was still alive, this doesn't. It's an automated process that he doesn't even control. Were he to die, he would continue to announce I AM STILL ALIVE, everday, on twitter. So it really does two things; by falsely confirming that he is alive, it casts doubt on the issue but it also keeps the notion of him actively announcing that he is alive, alive. So what may sound like a simple prank is actually pretty complex and gets more complex the more you think about it. Anyway, I've now released the On_Kawara twittering script as one of the Microcodes at http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes This throws a new wrench into the works. The script is posted exactly as it is, complete with the username and the password. I can't even begin to imagine where that will go. best r. Pall Thayer -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] A tribute to...
Untitled composition is the latest Microcode http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Italian Pirate Bay Trial in the Making.
Sweden, what have you done?!? On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 11:19 AM, xDxD.vs.xDxD xdxd.vs.x...@gmail.com wrote: Helo there! yes it is incredible. even more as the whole process began with the trial being started with a unilateral accusation, sponsored by consulents of the editors' and publishers' organizations present in italy (such as SIAE and FMI). which is just as if person X, today, would go to the police and say oh, well, i THINK that xDxD (or marc garrett, or anyone else) is a criminal. And the police come after me. With no proof or documentation apart from some screenshots in which a series of *rows show numbers separated by dots next to a date and a string containing the name of a movie, dot AVI* . but then again, italy's not the easiest of places to be during these last few years. reminds a lot of the 1940's, in a new mediatical form. we co-organized with RomaEuropaFAKEFactory and Art is Open Source a meeting on/with the Pirate Bay on the same day as the presentation in the senate, together with Luca Neri, who recently published a book on the whole issue: http://www.artsblog.it/post/3146/speciale-reff-part-2-reffternoon-al-flexi-con-luca-neri-21-marzo-ore-1800 and then there has been a big event which received lots of media coverage: http://www.no-copyright.net/ (sorry, the reports are in italian, but they might prove useful anyway) nothing has changed. :( take care! xDxD On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:35 PM, marc garrett marc.garr...@furtherfield.org wrote: Italian Pirate Bay Trial in the Making. Following the Swedish verdict, Italy is now considering starting its own trial against the people involved with The Pirate Bay. This would be the first criminal prosecution against the Pirate Bay 'founders' outside their home country. During August last year, The Pirate Bay was censored in Italy when ISPs were ordered to block access to the worlds largest BitTorrent tracker. The Pirate Bay appealed the block and eventually won the court case. In October the Court of Bergamo ruled that no foreign website can be censored for alleged copyright infringement. However, with the Swedish verdict against The Pirate Bay in hand, the Italian justice authority is now looking into the possibility of starting their very own trial against the Pirate Bay 'operators'. Interesting to say the least, because The Pirate Bay and those involved with the site have no direct link to Italy. more... http://torrentfreak.com/italian-pirate-bay-trial-in-the-making-090502/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] latest drawing
Try it in the Gimp and let us know if it goes better. On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:06 PM, dave miller dave.miller...@gmail.com wrote: Here's my latest drawing, thinking about recent revelations of British politicians and greed. I drew this in Photoshop, which is the first time I've used it this way. It crashed loads, I still don't think it's up to the job for this type of work. Would Gimp be a better option? cheers, dave http://davemiller.org http://davemiller.org/art_blog ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] FFOTD + Stained
I'm pretty sure that: 'Color' is the US American spelling of the word that the rest of the English speaking world spells 'colour'. i.e. 'colour' is not strictly British but 'color' is strictly US American. On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 10:55 AM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: Fascinating fact of the day: 'Colour' is the British spelling of 'color'. 'Color' is the American spelling of 'colour'. 'Stained' http://www.vimeo.com/2502546 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] The Wheel of The Devil (aka the loop lecture).
And for those who don't know what an infinite loop is in programming,
it is explained along with an example in the Microcodes primer at
http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/MCprimer.pdf
Pall
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:50 AM, info i...@furtherfield.org wrote:
The Wheel of The Devil (aka the loop lecture)
The infinite loop is the perfect form for expressing the reality of
contemporary existence. From the endless boom-bust cycle of capitalism
to the repeating right/left swings of American politics to the
misbehaving computer code frustrating our days, we are the society of
the loop. We're doomed to repeat history ad infinitum (not to mention ad
nauseum) with no progress nor resolve needed. These observations are
nothing new; how could they be? We've always been Sisyphus.
while (history) {
history = true;
}
Come celebrate the horrific beauty of the infinite loop at The Wheel of
The Devil, a one-night-only screening of historic and contemporary
loops at Over The Opening. Each loop screened until the audience votes
to move to the next.
Artists (in no particular order):
JODI - Rick Silva - Brody Condon - Jon Rafman - Oliver Laric - Deidre
LaCarte - Michael Sarff - MTAA - Hayley A. Silverman - Mathwrath - Chris
Coy - Michael Bell-Smith - jimpunk - and more... JODI - Rick Silva -
Brody Condon - Jon Rafman - Oliver Laric - Deidre LaCarte - Michael
Sarff - MTAA - Hayley A. Silverman - Mathwrath - Chris Coy - Michael
Bell-Smith - jimpunk - and more... JODI - Rick Silva - Brody Condon -
Jon Rafman - Oliver Laric - Deidre LaCarte - Michael Sarff - MTAA -
Hayley A. Silverman - Mathwrath - Chris Coy - Michael Bell-Smith –
jimpunk - and more...
curated by MTAA with Ed Halter
presented by T.Whid of MTAA
where:
Over The Opening (OTO)
60 N. 6th St. 2nd Flr (btw Wythe Kent)
Brooklyn, NY, 11211 (map)
when:
Friday May 29th, 2009 7-10PM (one night only)
Doors open at 7PM, the lecture starts looping at 8PM sharp!
free and open to the public
Michael Sarff (M.River) and Tim Whidden (T.Whid) formed the
Brooklyn-based artist collaboration MTAA in 1996. MTAA has presented
artworks and performances at The New Museum of Contemporary Art, P.S.1
Contemporary Art Center, The Whitney Museum of American Art, Postmasters
Gallery, Artists Space, and Light Industry all in New York City; The
Walker Art Center in Minneapolis; The Beall Center for Art and
Technology in Irvine, CA; San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, San
Francisco, CA and at The Getty Center in Los Angeles, CA. International
exhibitions include the Seoul Net Film Festival in Korea and
Videozone2 - The 2nd International Video Art Biennial in Israel. The
collaboration has earned grants and awards from the Creative Capital
Foundation, Rhizome.org, Eyebeam and New Radio Performing Arts, Inc.
Ed Halter is a critic and curator living in New York City. His writing
has appeared in Artforum, Arthur, The Believer, Cinema Scope,
Kunstforum, Millennium Film Journal, Moving Image Source, Rhizome, the
Village Voice and elsewhere. From 1995 to 2005, he programmed and
oversaw the New York Underground Film Festival, and has organized
screenings and exhibitions for the Brooklyn Academy of Music,
Cinematexas, Eyebeam, the Flaherty Film Seminar, the Museum of Modern
Art, and San Francisco Cinematheque. He currently teaches in the Film
and Electronic Arts department at Bard College, and has lectured at
Harvard, NYU, Yale, and other schools as well as at Art in General,
Aurora Picture Show, the Foundation for Art and Creative Technology, the
Images Festival, the Impakt Festival, and Pacific Film Archive. His book
From Sun Tzu to Xbox: War and Video Games was published by Thunder's
Mouth Press in 2006. With Andrea Grover, he is currently editing the
collection A Microcinema Primer: A Brief History of Small Cinemas. He is
a founder and director of Light Industry, a venue for film and
electronic art in Brooklyn, New York.
Over The Opening (OTO) - Once a month, the artist duo MTAA convert their
Brooklyn studio into a venue for the presentation of time-based art. The
ongoing project, begun in October 2007, has presented work ranging from
group tamale production to a LAN party involving a computerized version
of Guy Debord’s 1978 Game of War.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] The Wheel of The Devil (aka the loop lecture).
Oh... after actually *reading* the thread, I see that this is
something you already proposed, James (i.e. executing the commands
instead of just printing them).
best r.
Pall
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
Here's a good one...
This one will not just print out your bash history but will actually
execute every command in your bash history. I wouldn't recommend
running this as is. It could have devastating effects. What I did to
test it was to create a fake .bash_history that I called bash_histuree
and changed '~/.bash_history' in the script to '~/.bash_histuree'
#!/usr/bin/perl
sub relive {
$command = shift;
print `$command`;
}
while(1){
open(HISTORY, '~/.bash_history');
while($moment = HISTORY){
relive($moment);
}
}
Pall
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 12:11 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
# note2: replacing echo -n ${cmd} with `${cmd}`
# does not actually work! nor does using ${cmd}
# without the backticks work due to the way the
# for loop splits a_previous_login_history into
# words (ie splits it at each space char) - ie
# your commands are split up: ie ls *.* becomes
# two commands instead of one.
On 25/5/2009, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
#!/bin/sh
# historic_loop
# a BASH microcode to print your .bash_history
# file line by line in an infinite loop.
a_previous_login_history=`cat .bash_history`
while true
do
for cmd in $a_previous_login_history
do
echo -n ${cmd}
done
done
# note: perhaps if you want to literally repeat history
# ie re-issue all commands in your .bash_history file,
# replace echo -n ${cmd} with `${cmd}`
# but beware to do so is probably not such a good idea.
On 25/5/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
And for those who don't know what an infinite loop is in programming,
it is explained along with an example in the Microcodes primer at
http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/MCprimer.pdf
Pall
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 10:50 AM, info i...@furtherfield.org wrote:
The Wheel of The Devil (aka the loop lecture)
The infinite loop is the perfect form for expressing the reality of
contemporary existence. From the endless boom-bust cycle of capitalism
to the repeating right/left swings of American politics to the
misbehaving computer code frustrating our days, we are the society of
the loop. We're doomed to repeat history ad infinitum (not to mention ad
nauseum) with no progress nor resolve needed. These observations are
nothing new; how could they be? We've always been Sisyphus.
while (history) {
history = true;
}
Come celebrate the horrific beauty of the infinite loop at The Wheel of
The Devil, a one-night-only screening of historic and contemporary
loops at Over The Opening. Each loop screened until the audience votes
to move to the next.
Artists (in no particular order):
JODI - Rick Silva - Brody Condon - Jon Rafman - Oliver Laric - Deidre
LaCarte - Michael Sarff - MTAA - Hayley A. Silverman - Mathwrath - Chris
Coy - Michael Bell-Smith - jimpunk - and more... JODI - Rick Silva -
Brody Condon - Jon Rafman - Oliver Laric - Deidre LaCarte - Michael
Sarff - MTAA - Hayley A. Silverman - Mathwrath - Chris Coy - Michael
Bell-Smith - jimpunk - and more... JODI - Rick Silva - Brody Condon -
Jon Rafman - Oliver Laric - Deidre LaCarte - Michael Sarff - MTAA -
Hayley A. Silverman - Mathwrath - Chris Coy - Michael Bell-Smith –
jimpunk - and more...
curated by MTAA with Ed Halter
presented by T.Whid of MTAA
where:
Over The Opening (OTO)
60 N. 6th St. 2nd Flr (btw Wythe Kent)
Brooklyn, NY, 11211 (map)
when:
Friday May 29th, 2009 7-10PM (one night only)
Doors open at 7PM, the lecture starts looping at 8PM sharp!
free and open to the public
Michael Sarff (M.River) and Tim Whidden (T.Whid) formed the
Brooklyn-based artist collaboration MTAA in 1996. MTAA has presented
artworks and performances at The New Museum of Contemporary Art, P.S.1
Contemporary Art Center, The Whitney Museum of American Art, Postmasters
Gallery, Artists Space, and Light Industry all in New York City; The
Walker Art Center in Minneapolis; The Beall Center for Art and
Technology in Irvine, CA; San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, San
Francisco, CA and at The Getty Center in Los Angeles, CA. International
exhibitions include the Seoul Net Film Festival in Korea and
Videozone2 - The 2nd International Video Art Biennial in Israel. The
collaboration has earned grants and awards from the Creative Capital
Foundation, Rhizome.org, Eyebeam and New Radio Performing Arts, Inc.
Ed Halter is a critic and curator living in New York City. His writing
has appeared in Artforum, Arthur, The Believer, Cinema Scope,
Kunstforum, Millennium Film Journal, Moving Image Source, Rhizome, the
Village Voice and elsewhere. From 1995 to 2005, he programmed and
oversaw the New York Underground Film Festival, and has organized
screenings
Re: [NetBehaviour] micro-crudities
tail /bin/cat kitty; shred -z kitty;
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 3:23 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
#!/bin/bash
# 1) hard-man beating
echo man hard; man bash; more hard; man break;
# 2) animal cruelty
touch cat; bash cat
# 3) self abuse
{ myself=`id -un`; touch $myself; finger $myself; }
# 5) genetic subtraction?
whatis man | less | cat
# 6) real men only
{ the_man=`which man`; $the_man test; }
# 7) choice voodoo
hexdump `which head`
# 8) sleepy head
{ while [ tired ] | head --quiet; do sleep 1; done; }
# 9) stop that,
rm -f finger cat hard | less
# 10) self-obsession
watch head /proc/self/status
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[NetBehaviour] More on recurring histories...
Historically, history doesn't necessarily repeat itself because
there's always someone trying to rewrite it. So here you have a script
that will happily rewrite your .bash_history with random pickings from
your executable path.
#!/usr/bin/perl
$bash_history = $ENV{ HOME }./.bash_history;
@paths = split(':', $ENV{ PATH });
open HISTORY, $bash_history;
while($history = HISTORY){
$this_path = $paths[int(rand((scalar @paths)-1))];
$path_contents = `ls $this_path`;
@content_lines = split(\n, $path_contents);
if(int(rand(2))){
$new_history .= $content_lines[int(rand((scalar
@content_lines)))].\n;
}else{
$new_history .= $history;
}
}
close(HISTORY);
open HISTORY, , $bash_history;
print HISTORY $new_history;
close(HISTORY);
best r.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] story present
Hi James, That was nice. I really enjoyed it and I'm really enjoying discovering how flexible the simple terminal can be when applied in a creative manner. I've been discovering this both through my own Microcodes and the work of others. My current argument concerning the display of code (as opposed to only the process/outcome) is that the fact that the code contains information that is directly relative to a conceptual reading of the work, is inescapable. The problem, on the other hand, is that people who don't read code, seem to have a general aversion to being put in that position (where they must acknowledge the code). This is something we need to help potential audiences to overcome. Pointing out little things here and there will help to show that it's not as complicated as most non-coders think. Writing code can be a complicated process because it has to work but reading code is altogether different and you don't need to know how to write code to be able to read code. No more than you need to be able to write a book to read a book or paint a painting to read a painting. This what we need to make known. Oh, PS. If anyone on the list is in Sweden or will be in Sweden this weekend, I'll be presenting my Microcodes as well as other stuff at the New Media Meeting in Norrkoping: http://www.nmm.se Looks like it's going to be a big party as well. best r. Pall On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:04 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: The attachment is a BASH script for linux console/terminals it displays a scrolling message. the message is coded in a very-un-secret-code so despite not seeing what it says unless you run the script, the code is trivial to break, but that's not the point. the point is to not break the impact of the message itself. instructions 1) save attachment to your home directory as: re_store_present 2) open a terminal 3) enter: chmod +x re_store_present 5) enter: ./re_store_present 6) watch the message. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] story present
and pps. I do definitely see a growing trend in this direction of showing code and making it's relevance a bigger part of the work than has been previously done. Pall On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi James, That was nice. I really enjoyed it and I'm really enjoying discovering how flexible the simple terminal can be when applied in a creative manner. I've been discovering this both through my own Microcodes and the work of others. My current argument concerning the display of code (as opposed to only the process/outcome) is that the fact that the code contains information that is directly relative to a conceptual reading of the work, is inescapable. The problem, on the other hand, is that people who don't read code, seem to have a general aversion to being put in that position (where they must acknowledge the code). This is something we need to help potential audiences to overcome. Pointing out little things here and there will help to show that it's not as complicated as most non-coders think. Writing code can be a complicated process because it has to work but reading code is altogether different and you don't need to know how to write code to be able to read code. No more than you need to be able to write a book to read a book or paint a painting to read a painting. This what we need to make known. Oh, PS. If anyone on the list is in Sweden or will be in Sweden this weekend, I'll be presenting my Microcodes as well as other stuff at the New Media Meeting in Norrkoping: http://www.nmm.se Looks like it's going to be a big party as well. best r. Pall On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 11:04 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: The attachment is a BASH script for linux console/terminals it displays a scrolling message. the message is coded in a very-un-secret-code so despite not seeing what it says unless you run the script, the code is trivial to break, but that's not the point. the point is to not break the impact of the message itself. instructions 1) save attachment to your home directory as: re_store_present 2) open a terminal 3) enter: chmod +x re_store_present 5) enter: ./re_store_present 6) watch the message. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] re_store_present4 is very much best
This one's great. I tried adding some color. Looks pleasant enough but it adds some funky glitches (which in themselves can also be considered sort of cool). Pall On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:46 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: This really is the last one of THESE re_store_present scrolling message code what-nots. As usual, the script is attached, save it and chmod +x it and then use ./re_store_present4 from a terminal commandline to run the thing. changes: the src file (the script itself) is read line by line as before, but this time each line is formatted and then stored in an array during an initialisation phase. the file reading was the CPU hogger. eliminating file reading within the display loop yields vast performance increase for scrolling. the vertically scrolling code is now displayed *between* the two horizontally scrolling messages, yielding a more balanced display. combined with the performance increase, this is much more pleasant for your eyes. hope you like. cheers, james. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * re_store_present4_2 Description: Binary data ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] re_store_present4 is very much best
PS. I'm not suggesting that the color be kept. It's better without it. The color starts to draw from the work's conceptual content and it loses its edge. Pall On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 4:09 PM, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: This one's great. I tried adding some color. Looks pleasant enough but it adds some funky glitches (which in themselves can also be considered sort of cool). Pall On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 3:46 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: This really is the last one of THESE re_store_present scrolling message code what-nots. As usual, the script is attached, save it and chmod +x it and then use ./re_store_present4 from a terminal commandline to run the thing. changes: the src file (the script itself) is read line by line as before, but this time each line is formatted and then stored in an array during an initialisation phase. the file reading was the CPU hogger. eliminating file reading within the display loop yields vast performance increase for scrolling. the vertically scrolling code is now displayed *between* the two horizontally scrolling messages, yielding a more balanced display. combined with the performance increase, this is much more pleasant for your eyes. hope you like. cheers, james. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] re_store_present3
I'm running this on an iMac PPC with Leopard. It runs (i.e. doesn't require Linux) but this last one is rather slow. I preferred #'s 1 and 2. Pall On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 2:35 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: Ok, My last one of these (see attachment). This time the code is displayed 15 lines at a time and scrolls vertically through the file, while the two messages scroll horizontally along the top as before. It's pretty horrendous and slow on the laptop i'm using. Various sites aided and abetted me: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/programming-9/bash-shell-script-read-file-line-by-line.-136784/ http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/sect_07_01.html http://ascii-table.com/ansi-escape-sequences.php amongst others. Cheers, James ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] patch for re_store_present*
Hi James, That's strange. I wouldn't think that there would be a difference in the escape sequences between platforms. Between terminal emulators perhaps but not between platforms. But what do I know? You know you can use: WIDTH=`tput cols` HEIGHT=`tput lines` to get the terminal window width and height. Anyway, thanks for todays social bash. 'Twas fun. best r. Pall On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 8:16 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote: Here's a patch attached which adds minor additional functionality to the re_store_present* scripts posted here today. for the following scripts: re_store_present2 re_store_present3 re_store_present4 re_store_present5b the patch adds the command line argument -width n where n is a custom width you wish to trim to. adds glitchymess if n terminal width. ie ./re_store_present3 -width 85 for the following scripts: re_store_present4 re_store_present5b the patch also adds a second command line argument -glitch where if specified, the escape sequence to erase characters left from the last v-scroll is replaced with . the escape sequence itself has also been modified to work on the amd64 platform where it appeared to not work - don't know if this breaks things for x86 though. -- to apply the patch, make sure all previous scripts are located in the same directory. cd into that directory. save the patch in that directory and do: patch -p1 re_store_presents.patch to apply it. if you don't have all scripts you'll be prompted to enter location of those missing - press enter and then answer y + [enter] to skip. cheers, james ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Cybernetic Microblogging
James, you can probably use sudo apt-get install git or sudo
apt-get install git-core (or maybe even both) to install Git and then
just:
git clone http://www.robmyers.org/git/cybernetic-critic-microblogger.git
Version control systems rock. You should try one of your own. I use
Subversion here at home for some bigger projects I'm involved with.
I've worked with CVS and Git but Subversion seemed like it was the
easiest to set up.
best r.
Pall
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:47 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
Hi Rob,
Two problems here! (regarding usage of the source)
1) I've never used GIT so don't know exactly what I'm looking at. I
downloaded a snapshot of master:
cybernetic-microblogger-39998f557db139fb426dda6d0b16cd098528237c.tar.gz
2) Having only recently begun learning CL, I'm not quite sure what's
going on. Eventually figured out the first part:
(load install.lisp) ; not ./install.lisp in bash
It downloaded http://www.lichteblau.com/cxml-stp/download/cxml-stp.tgz
and I chose to install in ~/.sbcl
then I ran make (not from within sbcl) and got this:
sbcl --load ./make.lisp
This is SBCL 1.0.18.debian, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at http://www.sbcl.org/.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
; loading system definition from
; /home/james/Lisp/cybernetic-microblogger/cybernetic.asd into
; #PACKAGE ASDF0
; registering #SYSTEM #:CYBERNETIC {1002A20801} as CYBERNETIC
debugger invoked on a SIMPLE-ERROR in thread #THREAD initial thread
RUNNING {1002669E61}:
Error during processing of --eval option (LOAD #P./make.lisp):
component #:MICROBLOG-BOT not found, required by
#SYSTEM cybernetic {1002A20801}
-
Now might there be a problem with a missing ASDF component??? As before I
tried (load install.lisp) i tried (compile-file install.lisp)
and it spoke thus:
; compiling file
/home/james/Lisp/cybernetic-microblogger/install.lisp (written 16
MAY 2009 07:30:45 PM):
; compiling (REQUIRE (QUOTE ASDF))
; compiling (REQUIRE (QUOTE ASDF-INSTALL));
; compilation unit aborted
; caught 1 fatal ERROR condition
; compilation aborted because of fatal error:
; READ failure in COMPILE-FILE:
; SB-INT:SIMPLE-READER-PACKAGE-ERROR at 909 (line 22, column 21) on
#SB-SYS:FD-STREAM for file
/home/james/Lisp/cybernetic-microblogger/install.lisp {10026A14A1}:
; package ASDF-INSTALL not found
; compilation aborted after 0:00:01
NIL
T
T
---
so I assumed it was wrong to (compile-file install.lisp) and correct
to (load install.lisp).
---
Anyway, I don't have a identi.ca profile so I can't actually use the
s/w but just wanted to play around with it a little, see if i could
learn something or other...
btw, i like:
A crosshatched black aeroplane on a smooth rich magenta ground.
Cheers,
james.
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The Cybernetic Artwork Nobody Wrote is now on identi.ca (and mirrored
on twitter):
http://identi.ca/cybernetic
http://twitter.com/cyberneticart
It's being critiqued by The Cybernetic Critic:
http://identi.ca/cybercritic
Follow them and see inside the workings of a miniature artworld.
Send them a message and they'll say hi and tell you how to see their
source code.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Cybernetic Microblogging
ok, actually this isn't working from Rob's server. Tried git:// too
and that was refused.
I get:
pa...@pallit:~$ git clone
http://www.robmyers.org/git/cybernetic-microblogger.git
Initialized empty Git repository in /home/palli/cybernetic-microblogger/.git/
Cannot get remote repository information.
Perhaps git-update-server-info needs to be run there?
Pall
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
James, you can probably use sudo apt-get install git or sudo
apt-get install git-core (or maybe even both) to install Git and then
just:
git clone http://www.robmyers.org/git/cybernetic-critic-microblogger.git
Version control systems rock. You should try one of your own. I use
Subversion here at home for some bigger projects I'm involved with.
I've worked with CVS and Git but Subversion seemed like it was the
easiest to set up.
best r.
Pall
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 10:47 PM, james morris ja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
Hi Rob,
Two problems here! (regarding usage of the source)
1) I've never used GIT so don't know exactly what I'm looking at. I
downloaded a snapshot of master:
cybernetic-microblogger-39998f557db139fb426dda6d0b16cd098528237c.tar.gz
2) Having only recently begun learning CL, I'm not quite sure what's
going on. Eventually figured out the first part:
(load install.lisp) ; not ./install.lisp in bash
It downloaded http://www.lichteblau.com/cxml-stp/download/cxml-stp.tgz
and I chose to install in ~/.sbcl
then I ran make (not from within sbcl) and got this:
sbcl --load ./make.lisp
This is SBCL 1.0.18.debian, an implementation of ANSI Common Lisp.
More information about SBCL is available at http://www.sbcl.org/.
SBCL is free software, provided as is, with absolutely no warranty.
It is mostly in the public domain; some portions are provided under
BSD-style licenses. See the CREDITS and COPYING files in the
distribution for more information.
; loading system definition from
; /home/james/Lisp/cybernetic-microblogger/cybernetic.asd into
; #PACKAGE ASDF0
; registering #SYSTEM #:CYBERNETIC {1002A20801} as CYBERNETIC
debugger invoked on a SIMPLE-ERROR in thread #THREAD initial thread
RUNNING {1002669E61}:
Error during processing of --eval option (LOAD #P./make.lisp):
component #:MICROBLOG-BOT not found, required by
#SYSTEM cybernetic {1002A20801}
-
Now might there be a problem with a missing ASDF component??? As before I
tried (load install.lisp) i tried (compile-file install.lisp)
and it spoke thus:
; compiling file
/home/james/Lisp/cybernetic-microblogger/install.lisp (written 16
MAY 2009 07:30:45 PM):
; compiling (REQUIRE (QUOTE ASDF))
; compiling (REQUIRE (QUOTE ASDF-INSTALL));
; compilation unit aborted
; caught 1 fatal ERROR condition
; compilation aborted because of fatal error:
; READ failure in COMPILE-FILE:
; SB-INT:SIMPLE-READER-PACKAGE-ERROR at 909 (line 22, column 21) on
#SB-SYS:FD-STREAM for file
/home/james/Lisp/cybernetic-microblogger/install.lisp {10026A14A1}:
; package ASDF-INSTALL not found
; compilation aborted after 0:00:01
NIL
T
T
---
so I assumed it was wrong to (compile-file install.lisp) and correct
to (load install.lisp).
---
Anyway, I don't have a identi.ca profile so I can't actually use the
s/w but just wanted to play around with it a little, see if i could
learn something or other...
btw, i like:
A crosshatched black aeroplane on a smooth rich magenta ground.
Cheers,
james.
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The Cybernetic Artwork Nobody Wrote is now on identi.ca (and mirrored
on twitter):
http://identi.ca/cybernetic
http://twitter.com/cyberneticart
It's being critiqued by The Cybernetic Critic:
http://identi.ca/cybercritic
Follow them and see inside the workings of a miniature artworld.
Send them a message and they'll say hi and tell you how to see their
source code.
- Rob.
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[NetBehaviour] On artists that write code and artists that do not
I'm releasing something I wrote last year because it's becoming relevant now. A short one-pager explaining some basic ideas regarding code as a medium. http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/artists_that_write_code.pdf Also accessible from the Microcodes site at http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes Pall -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] On artists that write code and artists that do not
Hi James, Much of what you're talking about really is outside of the scope of this writing. All I was doing was explaining why it matters that some computer-based artists write their own code and others get someone else to do it. The primary point I'm making is that the medium that the artist works directly with (hands on) defines and guides the creative process and that because of the impact that McLuhan has had, we should consciously rethink what we mean when we talk about medium in regards to computer-based and electronic art because it has not been the same as what is meant when we talk about media such as oil on canvas and granite. There have been debates about what the digital artist's medium is with the focus being on the delivery of the work as opposed to the creation. One of the reasons I began making my Microcodes was to push the point that my medium is code. It's not the screen or the internet. The work becomes what it is because I'm personally creating it at the code level. Even the ideas and concepts I come up with, are dependent on how I see their possible creation in code. Whether or not I think I can execute the concept in a compelling manner at this code level is the initial measure that determines whether or not I'll attempt to execute it at all. If we can agree that code is a distinct artistic medium, I don't think we should break it up and subclass different languages as different media. That's just unnecessarily complex and confusing. Sure, back in the sixties there were people who would list their medium as Liquitex on canvas but that was mostly just because it wasn't yet commonly known what acrylic paint was and some people probably assumed that liquitex would become the generic term for acrylic paint much like what happened with the term aspirin. best r. Pall On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM, james morrisja...@jwm-art.net wrote: Hi Pall, I want to ask if you could elaborate on the last sentence? Or do I mean, elaborate on the differences? Anyway, just my agreements, extraneous comments, and questions, below which i'm not sure add much to what you've already said or particularly matter. James. I think if you're an artist writing code... as an artist who writes code... when doing so, code _is_ the fundamental medium being manipulated. can the chosen code language be considered analogous to a choice of oils or acrylics etc (or stone wood concrete etc) ETC? but then what does the code do? there is definitely a hierarchy of mediums, for example writing code which produces code: PHP HTML. Is the HTML a by-product medium or as equally the medium as PHP? Then with PHP it's most likely going to be on the internet, which may or may not be important, and the screen being the least important in the medium hierarchy _unless_ visual appearance is an important aspect. does the code even do anything, is writing in code which does not function as code anything to do with this? the fact is code is just text, which can also play a role (but the thinking is going to be entirely different). if you're an artist writing (functioning) code, the code can take on a life of its own as much as has been said of any other more traditional medium. i'm sure coding has been likened with the tradition sculptural anecdote - it all already exists, it's just a matter of chipping away at it. perhaps when you're finished the bulk of the code and you're left with the tweaks and then the medium is not so much code? On 5/6/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: I'm releasing something I wrote last year because it's becoming relevant now. A short one-pager explaining some basic ideas regarding code as a medium. http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/artists_that_write_code.pdf Also accessible from the Microcodes site at http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes Pall -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] On artists that write code and artists that donot
This was originally written in response to a discussion on the Rhizome mailing list where the majority of participants were US based. I've found that these McLuhanesque ideas are more prominent there than here in Europe. I also come from a painting background and to tell the truth, when people on Rhizome first began talking about media in realtion to computer-based art, I was bewildered. What they were talking about just didn't sync with what I had learned in art school. After getting my MFA in Canada (McLuhan was from Canada) I understood better and I saw the flaws in the reasoning and why my ideas regarding media were not in sync with that of the North Americans. That's what this article describes. McLuhan didn't really talk that much about art per se. So transferring his ideas directly over to art comes with setbacks (in my opinion) which causes misunderstandings regarding the nature of the work. Okay. So an artist who hires coders is going to loose some of the benefit of having a personal insight into the creative process of coding. No. No one loses or gains anything. As I mention in the article, it's not a qualitative difference, just a difference. So the nature of work made by someone who hires coders is going to be different than the nature of work done by someone who does their own coding. This says nothing about one being better or worse than the other. On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 6:26 PM, james morrisja...@jwm-art.net wrote: On 6/6/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi James, Much of what you're talking about really is outside of the scope of this writing. All I was doing was explaining why it matters that some Oh well I did not see that. I found what you said interesting and what I wrote was just what it lead me to think about. computer-based artists write their own code and others get someone else to do it. The primary point I'm making is that the medium that the artist works directly with (hands on) defines and guides the creative process and that because of the impact that McLuhan has had, Okay. So an artist who hires coders is going to loose some of the benefit of having a personal insight into the creative process of coding. we should consciously rethink what we mean when we talk about medium in regards to computer-based and electronic art because it has not been the same as what is meant when we talk about media such as oil on canvas and granite. There have been debates about what the I never studied media studies so I'm not at all familiar with McLuhan. At university I was a painter. Now that i'm using code in an artistic context it is natural for me now to think of it as a medium. digital artist's medium is with the focus being on the delivery of the work as opposed to the creation. One of the reasons I began making my Microcodes was to push the point that my medium is code. It's not the screen or the internet. The work becomes what it is because I'm personally creating it at the code level. Even the ideas and concepts I come up with, are dependent on how I see their possible creation in code. Whether or not I think I can execute the concept in a compelling manner at this code level is the initial measure that determines whether or not I'll attempt to execute it at all. For you to say the screen is your medium is a bit like Jackson Pollock saying the gallery is his medium. If we can agree that code is a distinct artistic medium , I don't think we should break it up and subclass different languages as different media. That's just unnecessarily complex and confusing. Sure, back in the sixties there were people who would list their medium as Liquitex on canvas but that was mostly just because it wasn't yet commonly known what acrylic paint was and some people probably assumed that liquitex would become the generic term for acrylic paint much like what happened with the term aspirin. We agree that code is a distinct artistic medium but I don't agree it should not be broken up. There's paint and there's code. There's oil paint, and water colour, and there's Lisp and C. You can't work with oil paint in the same way as you use water colour, and you can't work with Lisp in the same way you write C. James. best r. Pall On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 11:03 AM, james morrisja...@jwm-art.net wrote: Hi Pall, I want to ask if you could elaborate on the last sentence? Or do I mean, elaborate on the differences? Anyway, just my agreements, extraneous comments, and questions, below which i'm not sure add much to what you've already said or particularly matter. James. I think if you're an artist writing code... as an artist who writes code... when doing so, code _is_ the fundamental medium being manipulated. can the chosen code language be considered analogous to a choice of oils or acrylics etc (or stone wood concrete etc) ETC? but then what does the code do? there is definitely a hierarchy of mediums, for example writing code which produces code: PHP
Re: [NetBehaviour] On Paintr
Hi Rob, First of all, I just want to say that I'm honored and proud that my own work played a part in influencing this very intriguing work. I was just talking with another Icelandic artist yesterday (Gudrun Kristjansdottir, painter) and we were discussing artistic motives. I.e. what do we want from our art and I told her that what I wanted most was for my art to have some sort of an influence on art being produced 50 years from now. So this is what it's all about for me. If someone says that my work influenced theirs, I'm reaching my primary goals. Another thing I wanted to mention is an article that I think you should look into. I took the same approach as I believe you're expressing which is that the subjectivity of the resulting work becomes very complex (perhaps even non-existent) as the program guiding the production is incapable itself of subjectivity. However, as H. Gene Blocker points out in his essay Pictures and Photographs (1977, The Journal of Aesthetics and Art Criticism, 36(2), pp. 155-162), the mere act of avoiding subjectivity is in itself subjective. This is one of the things that reinforced my idea that code should be displayed along with this sort of work (and later that only the code need be displayed). That's where the artist's subjectivity lies. Avoiding subjectivity is an interesting approach that can produce interesting results at a conceptual level but when it comes down to it, the work is still a product of you and that's what makes it significant. And finally, thanks for pointing out colr.org. Very interesting website. best r. Pall On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Rob Myersr...@robmyers.org wrote: I came up with the idea for paintr one Friday morning in 2005 while thinking about Harold Cohen's arguments regarding computer art in his essays and while thinking about the work of Pall Thayer. Paintr's tag line was art in the age of network services, or art as a network service. By lunchtime I had something working, and by late afternoon on Saturday it was feature complete. A few weeks later I exhibited it at my show Howto in Belgrade. Artists don't make art by sitting around waiting for flashes of abstract conceptual or aesthetic inspiration then realizing it in visual form, but paintr does. The original version did so purely using Web 2.0-style web services; colr.org for colour palettes, flickr for (copylefted) photographs, and an online version of autotrace to convert the photographs to drawings. These paradigmatic web services were glued together with the paradigmatic web scripting programming language PHP. Many of my projects take a linguistic (verbal or visual language) description of art or reality and drive open the cracks in it by taking it literally to making something ironic and unstable. They are disproofs of theories, illustrations of mistakes, but they have a remainder that has its own meaning or effect. Paintr is a good example of this. It's an analogue to art or artistic activity, the realisation of a popular misconception of how art is made. It's an exploit on the idea of art or on the misunderstanding of it. The relationship that paintr has to Web 2.0 hype is similarly ironic. Web 2.0 makes it easy to create new software by gluing together the public APIs of web services, but you are limited in what you can ultimately do by the affordances that those services provide. Human socialisation can be planned, effected and recorded online in great detail and with great reach through social networking sites, but it is reified and channeled through normatising affordances. Art isn't something that should be created and vended as a web service like weather data or news tickers, but if that's the case what is special about art as a human activity that isn't about human activity in general? Paintr makes something that isn't art. It's easy to say why it isn't art but it's less easy to see why it isn't art, unless contemporary art of the housepaint-on-aluminium school also isn't art. This entanglement makes paintr about something more than itself artistically as well as socially. Art computing is usually dismissed out of hand by mainstream art critics because of its perceived lack of psychological content, subjectivity, interiority, or affect. Dismissing paintr on that basis is trivial because it isn't even trying to express something. But the intentional fallacy starts to seep through the cracks, and entanglement means that this leads to collateral damage for more critically acceptable forms of art. Aesthetics is resistant to corporate information culture because quantifying it doesn't capture its value. We can chain back from this obvious example to the more general case of human experience. The supernaturalism of qualia isn't necessary for aesthetics to have an experientially irreducible core. But paintr itself cannot experience this core. It weaves human affect and activity into its activity (colour palettes
Re: [NetBehaviour] Why Net Art Software Should Be AGPL-Licenced
as if you were using it locally under the GPL. The AGPL is therefore the best copyleft licence for software used over a network. This includes software-based net art. The average piece of software-based net art will use a free operating system, and a free software scripting language, web server and web browser. It may use a free software database and many additional free software libraries of code as well. The difficulty of the artwork's conception or production does not provide an excuse for making it non-free any more than the difficulties of creating the far greater body of work that it build on did. It is much easier to install and maintain software that is not restricted by its licence and that provides its source code. Art that takes the form of software must be installed and maintained to curate and preserve it. Critics, artists, students and audience can benefit from studying the source code of net art. Even if they don't fix bugs they can learn from it and maybe even appreciate it. And if the server goes down and you don't have a backup, someone else may and will be able to give you a copy back. These freedoms are all protected by the AGPL, giving a strong practical benefit to using it. This fact should be borne in mind when discussing the curation, archiving and preservation of net art as well as when discussing its production. The support of people's freedom and the practical benefits to artists from supporting the curation, preservation and scholarship of their work provide strong reasons for making net art free software. Net artists can and should protect the freedom of the users of their software using the AGPL. See here http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html for details of how to apply the AGPL to your work. http://robmyers.org/weblog/2009/06/why-net-art-software-should-be-agpl-licenced.html ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....Research Opportunities onEPSRC funded Project]
I don't usually worry much about surveillance. My life's more or less an open book but this story scares me a bit. I can just imagine a group of Apple employees, huddled around a bunch of screens with a million red dots moving around on a Google map of the world: http://happywaffle.livejournal.com/5890.html Pall On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 10:15 PM, james morrisja...@jwm-art.net wrote: shop, store and share products. The analogue bar code that has for so long been a dumb encrypted reference to a shop’s inventory system, will be superseded by an open platform in which every object manufactured will be able to be tracked from cradle to grave, through manufacturer to distributor, to potentially every single person who comes into contact great! more surveillance! with it following its purchase. Further still, every object that comes close to another object, and is within range of a reader, could also be logged on a database and used to find correlations between owners and applications. In a world that has relied upon a linear chain of supply and demand between manufacturer and consumer via high street shop, the Internet of Things has the potential to transform how we will treat objects, care about their origin and use them to find other objects. If every new object is within reach of a reader, everything is searchable and findable, subsequently the shopping experience may never be the great! even more surveillance! same, and the concept of throwing away objects may become a thing of the past as other people find new uses for old things. Wow man, I'm glad all these technical boffins come up with such fantastic ideas... Just a pity the Wombles[1] beat them to it. [1] http://www.tidybag.co.uk/ ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....ResearchOpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
unlikely outcomes of uncertain value. It is just that the way academic research is funded there is this pressure to prove the economic and social value of the probable outcomes well in advance of them coming into being. This is exactly the problem I have with the art practice as formal research trend. It's great that this has opened new avenues for art funding but at what price? I fear that this is going to produce a lot of boring art that probably sounded interesting on paper but is missing the spontaneity that makes some artwork really leap out and grab you. Too precisely calculated. Art should, at the very least, have strong elements of spur-of-the-moment whim to highlight that violent tumultuousness that is unbridled Creativity (with a capital C). The academic research approach is always going to involve major compromises. The magic happens when just dive in. You'll have plenty of time to ask questions and fine tune concepts later. Hmm... how about a research project that examines the effects of academic institutionalisation on creativity? best r. Pall These pressures function to pervert what research is all about (finding/creating things you didn't know you might find/create). How can you know the value of something that doesn't exist yet? Why does everything have to have a value? Many artists and scientists prefer not to be concerned with these things. Such considerations are imposed upon them. Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: james morris ja...@jwm-art.net Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:26:29 +0100 (BST) To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of ThingsResearchOpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] On 25/6/2009, Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: recorded and all original material retained for peer assessment. This is not foolproof (there are plenty of examples of poor science around) but nobody has proposed a better system yet. It is unusual for artistic work to be undertaken in this context but not novel. Otherâ*˙s have done it. It often leads to surprising outcomes, especially for the scientists. I'm interested to know what the nature of the surprising outcomes are for scientists? (Are the artists less surprised by the outcomes?) http://www.principlesofnature.net/gallery_of_selected_art_works/the_discreteness_of_infinity_art_science_parallels.htm http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/jonathanjonesblog/2008/sep/02/darwinscanopy ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of Things....ResearchOpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project]
These are of course all valid points and I would say that at the very tip of things, one of the biggest choices an artist makes is whether to operate within academia or outside of it. Then there are choices to make within those two realms as well. I, for instance, have (for now at least) chosen to have a day job that frees me from having to rely on my art as a source of income. This suits me well right now and I feel quite unencumbered in not having to explain to anyone what I have in mind before I do it. I just do it and in comparison to producing work within the academic realm, I personally feel that it's having a positive effect on my creativity. That being said, it does however suck having to work two jobs with the more interesting of them not being the one that pays the bills. I do make compromises but these are compromises that I choose to make, not that are forced upon me. But all in all, I feel emboldened in my art and am daring to explore paths that I wouldn't have done before. It's always a bit of a catch 22 though. I feel that in exploring these paths, I'm making valuable discoveries that would benefit the academic realm. Would I then accept a job if offered? I don't know. It would be a tough choice. best r. Pall On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Simon Biggss.bi...@eca.ac.uk wrote: I don't think the problem is with art and other disciplines getting together. Nor do I think it is with research. There is nothing intrinsically at fault with any of these activities or how they can be undertaken in various combinations. They can be hugely beneficial to one another. If you are constantly looking for new methods of making and disseminating art, of how art can exist and people constitute themselves around it, then mixing things up is default. That is how new ways of seeing and being are uncovered. The problem is when the things that makes these activities personally and collectively rewarding are expected to fulfil other forms of utlility. Montserrat is right in her analysis that those who hold the purse strings expect a return on their investment. Whether that money comes from academic or cultural funding agencies doesn't matter. It is all government money and these days governments, in their desire to constantly show value to others (the electorate, industry, etc), instrumentalise everything they touch. This has a bad effect on art and science (both are creative activities with similar requirements). Neither are industries. They are not means of production that can be assimilated into that economic model. The commercial art market offers no succour either. That is a world where novelty, rarity and authenticity have been fetishised and commodified to the point of obscenity. In that environment shit smells sweet. Artists have to make choices, just like anybody else. You can starve, take government money or sell-out. What are the other currently available options? I can think of some which exist in very specific contexts (gift economies in small tribal contexts) but without changing the whole global economic model I don't see anything viable. I also do not think the world is going to change - at least, not through good intentions. Sorry to be so down. I'm not really. I'm in Berlin setting up a show and quite happy. It is one of my favourite cities, even though it has changed horribly over the past twenty years. Nevertheless, whilst Berlin has been profoundly damaged by corporate and governmental pressures it is better off as a real city, open and evolving, than in its prior existence in a netherworld created by some of the more absurd geo-political dynamics of the Cold War. Regards Simon Simon Biggs Research Professor edinburgh college of art s.bi...@eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ si...@littlepig.org.uk www.littlepig.org.uk AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk From: Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:21:48 + To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Internet of ThingsResearchOpportunitiesonEPSRC funded Project] unlikely outcomes of uncertain value. It is just that the way academic research is funded there is this pressure to prove the economic and social value of the probable outcomes well in advance of them coming into being. This is exactly the problem I have with the art practice as formal research trend. It's great that this has opened new avenues for art funding but at what price? I fear that this is going to produce a lot of boring art that probably sounded interesting on paper but is missing the spontaneity that makes some artwork really leap out and grab you. Too precisely calculated. Art should, at the very least, have strong elements of spur-of-the-moment whim to highlight that violent
[NetBehaviour] a new Microcode: Vito Acconci's 'Seedbed'
...revisited electronically. Those who follow the list closely may see immediately that this was inspired in part by James Morris' 'Microcrudities' a while back. Trying to emulate such human activities in short code is really interesting. http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=29 -- * Pall Thayer artist http://www.this.is/pallit * ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] a new Microcode: Vito Acconci's 'Seedbed'
Yes, I noticed that. I was going to link directly to them but they were gone.
There's is a significant difference between your version and mine. In
your version your program is touching your user (id -un) but in my
version the program is touching itself (realpath($0)). This seemed the
more appropriate method given the Seedbed reference. It comes closer
to a notion of autoeroticism (despite the fact that there are no
consciously sensing beings involved).
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:30 PM, james morrisja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
Ahh! I deleted them! But they're archived on the net.
a less clear version of seedbed:
#!/usr/bin/perl
$myself = `id -un`;
$mybody = /home/$myself;
while(1){
`touch $mybody`;
print `ls -ld $mybody`;
print `finger $mys...@localhost`;
}
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On 1/7/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
revisited electronically. Those who follow the list closely may see
immediately that this was inspired in part by James Morris'
'Microcrudities' a while back. Trying to emulate such human activities
in short code is really interesting.
http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=29
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Re: [NetBehaviour] a new Microcode: Vito Acconci's 'Seedbed'
That notion of the hidden was of course another thing I considered,
again due to the Seedbed reference. You never actually see the
program touching itself but you are made aware of its effects through
the printing of ls -l $myself. I saw this as being similar to
Acconci's performance where people couldn't see him but they could
hear him. So, in the same sense, no one ever actually saw him
masturbate but they were made aware of its affects by hearing his
voice.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:04 PM, james morrisja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
On 1/7/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I noticed that. I was going to link directly to them but they were gone.
There's is a significant difference between your version and mine. In
your version your program is touching your user (id -un) but in my
version the program is touching itself (realpath($0)). This seemed the
more appropriate method given the Seedbed reference. It comes closer
to a notion of autoeroticism (despite the fact that there are no
consciously sensing beings involved).
The code was my immediate concern here. To me the different idea of
what self the idea of self was referring to was interesting. I did
not research Vito Acconci's 'Seedbed' until after posting and
consequently did not quite 'get it' until then.
The notion of the hidden autoeroticism is interesting with regard
to the code. Looking at the code, the autoeroticism is not hidden.
But in the context of the code executing, the autoeroticism is
executing in a different layer - a layer outside of perl so perhaps
you could say it is hidden. I was wondering if there was more you
could do with regard to this notion of the hidden?
James.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:30 PM, james morrisja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
Ahh! I deleted them! But they're archived on the net.
a less clear version of seedbed:
#!/usr/bin/perl
$myself = `id -un`;
$mybody = /home/$myself;
while(1){
`touch $mybody`;
print `ls -ld $mybody`;
print `finger $mys...@localhost`;
}
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On 1/7/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
revisited electronically. Those who follow the list closely may see
immediately that this was inspired in part by James Morris'
'Microcrudities' a while back. Trying to emulate such human activities
in short code is really interesting.
http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=29
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Re: [NetBehaviour] a new Microcode: Vito Acconci's 'Seedbed'
Hi Alan,
One of the primary reasons that I've redone a number of known pieces
by other artists in these Microcodes is more to point out the
difference between code as a medium and other media. So the point
isn't necessarily to emulate the work as closely as possible but
rather to capture a single essence of it in very compact code. I
think that trying to work the incline and fantasies into this
version of the work would result in considerably more code which
would in turn make the work overly complex.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Alan Sondheimsondh...@panix.com wrote:
I knew Vito well back then and visited Seedbed many times - you're missing
the grittiness the compression of the incline - hope you can write them
in! The work was obviously uncomfortable, and anyone on the slope was the
target of his fantasizing, not to mention the reverse as well - Alan
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, james morris wrote:
Ahh! I deleted them! But they're archived on the net.
a less clear version of seedbed:
#!/usr/bin/perl
$myself = `id -un`;
$mybody = /home/$myself;
while(1){
`touch $mybody`;
print `ls -ld $mybody`;
print `finger $mys...@localhost`;
}
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On 1/7/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
revisited electronically. Those who follow the list closely may see
immediately that this was inspired in part by James Morris'
'Microcrudities' a while back. Trying to emulate such human activities
in short code is really interesting.
http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=29
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Re: [NetBehaviour] a new Microcode: Vito Acconci's 'Seedbed'
Hi Alan,
Thanks for the comments. I guess by the essence of the work, I'm
considering the absolute minimum that it takes to bring to mind
Seedbed when looking at the code. In that sense, I think this and
Sleep are among the best Microcodes yet because it doesn't take an
accomplished programmer to understand the relationship given the
commands touch $myself and sleep((8*60)*60) featured prominently
in otherwise sparse code.
Regarding the body/psycological/dis/comfort, these are interesting
only because I'm dealing with entities that are entirely void and/or
incapable of any of these. No matter what I make the machine do, it's
never going to experience and psychological effects nor discomfort. I
could attempt to create a script that disables the CPU fan and then
compiles the linux kernel in an infinite loop, causing the computer to
heat up and possibly even destroy the cpu (I don't know if this could
actually be done) but the machine still wouldn't feel any discomfort
because, despite sensors, it really doesn't feel anything and that
is an import aspect of what I'm doing with, for instance, Seedbed in
code.
I do understand, to an extent, what you mean but I think we're simply
approaching things from entirely different angles. I see the machine
as nothing more than that. There is no body, no feeling, no sensation
at all. If we attribute any of that to the machine then it's more
about our own body, feelings, sensations than the machine's. This is
what happens with Seedbed in code. If anyone looks at the code and
thinks the work has anything to do with autoeroticism, then it's their
own autoeroticism that is coming into play, not the machine's. There's
nothing inherently erotic about the touch command and the $myself
variable could be called anything at all and it wouldn't change the
functionality of the program.
best r.
Pall
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Alan Sondheimsondh...@panix.com wrote:
Hi Paul,
The essence it seemed to me wasn't self-referentiality or touch (good unix
command too), so much as it was about targeting the ab/use/er, as well as
dirtiness. And code's always clean; even dirty code's clean, so there's that
barrier which is interesting and the question is - which for me parallels
the clean/dirty avatar phenomenology - how can that be broken down
psychologically - how can that sort of dis/comfort be recreated, or can't
it? With avatar, it's useful to create a kind of iconicity which also
functions on an indexical plain - texturing a human face or sexual body for
example. But code/ascii (pre-compiling which brings up, maybe it's in the
binaries that this stuff lies) has a different kind of clarity and it's hard
to see how dis/embodiment might function, even comfortably, this way. The
difference between code as medium (strict code) might be clearer than ways
of smudging it. Obviously I don't code, or code poorly, so in a way I don't
know what I'm talking about, and I admire what you're doing - I'm just
wondering about things like the body of code, the coded body, the decoded
body...
- Alan
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Pall Thayer wrote:
Hi Alan,
One of the primary reasons that I've redone a number of known pieces
by other artists in these Microcodes is more to point out the
difference between code as a medium and other media. So the point
isn't necessarily to emulate the work as closely as possible but
rather to capture a single essence of it in very compact code. I
think that trying to work the incline and fantasies into this
version of the work would result in considerably more code which
would in turn make the work overly complex.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Alan Sondheimsondh...@panix.com wrote:
I knew Vito well back then and visited Seedbed many times - you're
missing
the grittiness the compression of the incline - hope you can write them
in! The work was obviously uncomfortable, and anyone on the slope was the
target of his fantasizing, not to mention the reverse as well - Alan
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, james morris wrote:
Ahh! I deleted them! But they're archived on the net.
a less clear version of seedbed:
#!/usr/bin/perl
$myself = `id -un`;
$mybody = /home/$myself;
while(1){
`touch $mybody`;
print `ls -ld $mybody`;
print `finger $mys...@localhost`;
}
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On 1/7/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
revisited electronically. Those who follow the list closely may see
immediately that this was inspired in part by James Morris'
'Microcrudities' a while back. Trying to emulate such human activities
in short code is really interesting.
http://pallit.lhi.is/microcodes/index.php?code_id=29
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Re: [NetBehaviour] a new Microcode: Vito Acconci's 'Seedbed'
That's a nice approach to the incline. I like that.
Pall
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:58 PM, james morrisja...@jwm-art.net wrote:
i don't know perl, so this is c code...
please find a ramp ramping up the cpu usage until it's hot and sweaty...
please find a ramp ramping up and then down and then up and then down...
until the cpu is hot and sweaty
my usual dumbass shit. a numerical ramp, the step value is random and is
chosen when the ramp has reached either end of it's limit. as you know,
there are no true random number generators... srand(time()) SEEDs the
'random' number generator with the time since epochs of seconds 1970.
there's a terribly rude piece of text. pointer variables are used to
step through the text one word at a time. i would have used strpos
but could not find a man page for it. maybe it is a PHP function
and i'm getting confused.
this demonstrates how code can easily begin to get complex without
adding actually doing very much at all. but then c is a low level
language, and probably the wrong choice but i felt like using it.
james.
#include stdio.h
#include string.h
#include stdlib.h
char* strorig=
I am laying here masturbating fantasizing about you and \
I am going to come on your face and \
I am rubbing my sweaty dirty self on you and \
I am so turned on by it and \
I am masturbating furiously with your image \
fixed in my mind and am i so so hot now and \
am blistering my genitals but i love the pain of it and \
i am going to come all over you uhh ohhh uhhh ohhh.;
int main()
{
srand(time());
float ramp=0;
float stz=(rand()%10+10)/100.0f;
int w=0;
char* str=malloc((strlen(strorig)+1)*sizeof(char));
strcpy(str,strorig);
char* ptr;
char* end=0;
int i=5000;
int next=0;
while(1){
ramp+=stz;
if(!end){
ptr=str;
end=strstr(ptr, );
next=1;
}
if(stz0){
if(ramp6.0f){
stz=-(rand()%10+10)/1000.0f;
next=1;
}
}
else if (stz0){
if(ramp0){
stz=(rand()%10+10)/1000.0f;
next=1;
}
}
if(next){
*end=0;
printf(%s\n,ptr);
*end=' ';
ptr=end+1;
end=strstr(ptr, );
next=0;
}
}
}
On 2/7/2009, Alan Sondheim sondh...@panix.com wrote:
Hi Paul,
The essence it seemed to me wasn't self-referentiality or touch (good unix
command too), so much as it was about targeting the ab/use/er, as well as
dirtiness. And code's always clean; even dirty code's clean, so there's
that barrier which is interesting and the question is - which for me
parallels the clean/dirty avatar phenomenology - how can that be broken
down psychologically - how can that sort of dis/comfort be recreated, or
can't it? With avatar, it's useful to create a kind of iconicity which
also functions on an indexical plain - texturing a human face or sexual
body for example. But code/ascii (pre-compiling which brings up, maybe
it's in the binaries that this stuff lies) has a different kind of clarity
and it's hard to see how dis/embodiment might function, even comfortably,
this way. The difference between code as medium (strict code) might be
clearer than ways of smudging it. Obviously I don't code, or code poorly,
so in a way I don't know what I'm talking about, and I admire what you're
doing - I'm just wondering about things like the body of code, the coded
body, the decoded body...
- Alan
On Thu, 2 Jul 2009, Pall Thayer wrote:
Hi Alan,
One of the primary reasons that I've redone a number of known pieces
by other artists in these Microcodes is more to point out the
difference between code as a medium and other media. So the point
isn't necessarily to emulate the work as closely as possible but
rather to capture a single essence of it in very compact code. I
think that trying to work the incline and fantasies into this
version of the work would result in considerably more code which
would in turn make the work overly complex.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Alan Sondheimsondh...@panix.com wrote:
I knew Vito well back then and visited Seedbed many times - you're missing
the grittiness the compression of the incline - hope you can write them
in! The work was obviously uncomfortable, and anyone on the slope was the
target of his fantasizing, not to mention the reverse as well - Alan
On Wed, 1 Jul 2009, james morris wrote:
Ahh! I deleted them! But they're archived on the net.
a less clear version of seedbed:
#!/usr/bin/perl
$myself = `id -un`;
$mybody = /home/$myself;
while(1){
`touch $mybody`;
print `ls -ld $mybody`;
print `finger $mys...@localhost`;
}
--
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On 1/7/2009, Pall Thayer pallt...@gmail.com wrote:
revisited electronically. Those who follow the list closely may see
immediately
